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[indigo thistle]

Same.

[twilit thistle]

Is the issue getting it to drop or that allies arent doing it right

[indigo solar]

I just haven't run it much

[lost sierra]

when you have his barrier up can you even die?

[river vigil]

you can take splash damage, mission modifier damage, and impact shinka shield damage

[indigo solar]

Oh didn't know splash still applied

[coral chasm]

Indirect dmg

[indigo solar]

But yeah there are still a few sources that damage you

[thorny frost]

If his barrier almost have 100% uptime I wonder how recovery substat would do to keep him alive from those other sources.

[lost sierra]

makes sense, wasn't a tariq believer but there's just something about facetaking enemies under-light

[indigo solar]

Barrier, recov, defense, elemental is peak

[lost sierra]

feels strange not malding like crazy in expanse

[indigo solar]

With slot 2 plasma

[thorny frost]

That was the substats I was thinking of after reading most peoples report of him. I am waiting till next week to do anything tho to see if we get the 40 season condensate by chance before the end of the season.

[signal spade]

just run the impact melee artifact in 1 cause the only thing you die to is stuff barrel stuffing you or getting meleed by a mob

[indigo solar]

Yep

[signal spade]

and the 50% extra barrier size is busted

[indigo solar]

.

[indigo solar]

?

[sullen depot]

bulwwark pact

[signal spade]

bulwark

[indigo solar]

Oh health

[signal spade]

i can facetank the 86 ogre indefinitely i think

[indigo solar]

I was thinking physical size

[signal spade]

and that guy like 1 shots the rest of my roster

[thorny frost]

I can see him being pretty useful for first clear race at least for learning mechanics.

[sullen depot]

yup. him and estella i can see the necessary duo for raid race. and the HH as well. he gives survibility, HH gives damage, healing and ammo, estela does her thing with damage from prolonged fights

[thorny frost]

That covers most Shinkas too, might need one more for impact

[sullen depot]

exactly!!. jaren for impact and ur done.

no need to worry about enemy shields as well cuz of HH arby

of course ultimate depends on how encounters are set up

[thorny frost]

And weapons can be swapped for coverage. Then it is fine tuning per encounter

Yea but it is a good base to test. In the end you need to change up based on team mates and encounter

[sullen depot]

yup. thats the raid race trio right there

[obtuse chasm]

Ur garbage

I’m hoping we get another contest for phase 8 😔

Leviathan please

[sullen depot]

true but imo they need to actually focus on fixing the game and not just cash grabbing pple with raids for 1 week and calling it a day after that

[lost sierra]

wait his super also acts as a barrier if you're inside it?

[thorny frost]

Pretty sure leviathian “prestige” is just referring to the strike “illusory leviathan”. Be odd to release a raid like that

[remote grove]

Raids aren't a cash grab at all, its ftp friendly

[sullen depot]

but maybe thats just me. i never got the fomo of raid race even in D2. i looked at the game as a whole

[bitter estuary]

well

[sullen depot]

true true but when pple come back to a game there is still a likeliness to spend on something. essentially banking on that

[crisp shuttle]

Well balanced

I see no issue

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ackso-just-have-some-worries-as-well-as-some-concerns-that-couldpotentially-turn-into-outright-fears-me-the-good-place-hindi-gif-6275914972759043074

[remote grove]

Sooo t0 Tariq is the play?

[sullen depot]

if u want dps t6. if not then stop at t0 imo

[crisp shuttle]

Next is a weapon that does +500% damage vs light bearers but you have to pay $300.00 for

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-gif-26506627

[remote grove]

Ill just keep him t0 for raid flex then

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-17429803629306563973

[sullen depot]

tariq is the def of a talent focused character

assumig u want more than just being tanky of course

[remote grove]

I tried him in chaos. All abilities, new BP weapon kinda underwhelming from what ive seen of it so far

[obtuse chasm]

Don’t shoot down my hopes like that, let a man dream

[river vigil]

Am I doing damage? No. But do I feel cool healing the enemy?

[remote grove]

Guess that gives me more BP tokens to save for something else

[obtuse chasm]

Nah go full send on Gwynn

[crisp shuttle]

Me choosing to give the enemy healing abilities if I hit them with the wrong damage type

[obtuse chasm]

Invest into new bp exotic and build into solar on substats

[remote grove]

YES

[elfin remnant]

just returned to DR after a month... damn, the power grind is awful

[twilit thistle]

Wdym i dont have to pay for crimson? False information.

[obtuse chasm]

Or maybe… you’re just awful

[thorny frost]

Sorry I just don’t want people spreading it as I have seen it mentioned quite a bit. If we get a rerun raid I feel it will be annnouced at the beginning of a season

[crisp shuttle]

No they introduce a new currency you have to pay for

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I agree, wasn’t necessarily saying it as a fact more so wishful thinking

[crisp shuttle]

(I was joking from that start @twilit thistle )

[elfin remnant]

i'm used to the old way of power grind

[obtuse chasm]

So the same exact way?

[remote grove]

Let's go cordon 60 I have gwynn ready

[river vigil]

my Tariq is ready for duty

[obtuse chasm]

I missed my chance last time but now might be my chance to shine

Especially with new bp exotic

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-devil-diabolique-evil-gif-9725651736562738158

[remote grove]

HOLY

[elfin remnant]

no, being limited to advance until certain points, because to keep progressing, i HAVE to do certain activities

[obtuse chasm]

I haven’t touched expanse in almost a month now, it ain’t that bad champ

Just win

[remote grove]

Adept raids shoulda released today. I wanna go tank stuff on Tariq

[river vigil]

Imagine if the manifesto was 450 rpm

[stark forge]

or 900

[remote grove]

I quit after seal completion tbh

[obtuse chasm]

Facts, I’d rather push cordon

[remote grove]

Ive been mostly doing blitz for adept weapons

[obtuse chasm]

I’m not a solo player tho, don’t find any fun in sitting in a lobby by myself on a multi game

[obtuse chasm]

I finished all my adepts luckily not much else I can get from strikes or blitz’s

I do need to do sparrow racing for thermo tho

[remote grove]

Can't even get a raid clear till I convince my pack to go in there these days

[river vigil]

the worst part about having 78k mythic parameters is being too afraid to spend them on random engrams

[remote grove]

Im on estella weapon atm, then im done

[obtuse chasm]

@pine verge who you pinging bruh

[obtuse chasm]

Can’t wait for her rerun, insta t6

[obtuse chasm]

I have a gambling addiction, stay strong brother

[remote grove]

Yeah, mine is t5 so I should be ready the moment she comes back out to t6 her

[stark forge]

i hate having too much parameter i have to scroll too much

glad i got to burn 200k in s4

[obtuse chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-black-mr-not-that-famous-shock-crying-gif-13824956

[river vigil]

I just realized tariq might be goated for the Iltha Dyce expanse stage since the hive knights spawn in groups of 3

[stark forge]

face tank the witch too

[river vigil]

Damaging the witch without nimble

Also remember not to whiff your super cage

[indigo solar]

@twilit thistle oh well, I'll do it another time

[twilit thistle]

🫠 how much dmg did i do that time

[neon pebble]

Iron bar when

[twilit thistle]

😭

#StopScalingPower

[obtuse chasm]

Gwynn carried

[twilit thistle]

This is getting rediculous netease.

[obtuse chasm]

I’m jelly every time I see a t6 Estella 😔

[river vigil]

I'd give you mine if i could

[stark forge]

jolder aura farm

[neon pebble]

Do i send it?

[timber citrus]

damn, they gonna make us wait a full week to patch tariq? this poor lil guy is weak as a kitten

[river vigil]

Yes

[native stag]

No

[neon pebble]

Its a tie

[obtuse chasm]

Why are people investing into Tariq when Gwynn exists

[river vigil]

Because i need to drive the school bus

[obtuse chasm]

Clearly yall casuals have no understanding of true power

[neon pebble]

She alrdy maxed

[timber citrus]

i appreciate the super easy cordon ops this week though. Almost feels like they designed it with a t6 tariq in mind (so t1 other mythics can smash it)

[obtuse chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-4chan-reddit-gif-12469709983918782970

[river vigil]

I need to keep all of my random helhest players alive

[obtuse chasm]

Downscaling content to make a mythic valid 😭

[obtuse chasm]

Nah A5 is Gwynn’s true potential

[neon pebble]

She doesnt even need A1

Ascend = cope

[obtuse chasm]

Real, she’s meta without it

But A5 anyways for the drip

[bitter estuary]

a5 balls

tariq feels like a 4*

[obtuse chasm]

What happened to all that love prerelease 👀

[bitter estuary]

i feel like i get to 100 million total damage faster than tariq does with my t6 ikora

https://tenor.com/view/ormalterego-gif-11703045220090612380

[obtuse chasm]

He’s meta for public events trust

[cyan tide]

His kit is cool but he does negative damage. They need to buff him somehow, either directly or by buffing sidearms/GLs

[bitter estuary]

me when fixed damage and not percentile based

[stark forge]

not even pub events, legacy meta

[bitter estuary]

even wolf does it better there than him

[obtuse chasm]

I predicted a sidearm buff a long time ago when bp exotic was announced, I’m calling it again, sidearms are going to get a buff and Gwynn will be relevant again

[stark forge]

i blame the sidearm for this horrendous performance

if we cant get a buff just sunset them

[obtuse chasm]

Nah we’re gunna get a buff trust

Source: trust me bro

[sullen depot]

Nah t10 mythic finnala trust

[stark forge]

i pull tariq banner until i got t6 finnala actually

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[sullen depot]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-gif-27042841

[obtuse chasm]

Nah bruh trust, my predictions are always correct 😏

I only speak facts, that being said Gwynn is meta

[neon pebble]

Yall usin goofy arti on jariq

[limber pine]

How yall like the new char?

[river vigil]

I like him

[cyan tide]

He's fun but don't expect to be using him for endgame lol

[limber pine]

Well yeah he is a defense character after all lol

[river vigil]

@twilit thistle I know you found a way to get quick chaos clears with Tariq I'm about to hit 50 stages in 30

[limber pine]

I'm tryn n pull em real quick

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-destiny-oof-alright-alright-alright-gif-13749019

[cyan tide]

Just magic minded with ability comet spam

[river vigil]

I'm trying but his abilities are slower than efrideets XD

[cyan tide]

I need to try him again with born equal, he feels awful with the weapon damage penalty

[river vigil]

yeah

[obtuse chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-fire-dumpster-fire-burning-gif-13420145

[river vigil]

born equal and steel plate will be better for him

I'd try weapon master but...

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[neon pebble]

Am I crazy or this bis?

[river vigil]

you can try it but inspiring would probably be better

[neon pebble]

Gotta lvl my new exo manicure sidearms

[twilit thistle]

Worth a shot? Should translate?

[river vigil]

I'll give it a try, I think that should work better than comet in magic minded

I'll try unscathed instead of nimble since I already have ability recharge

[rare plover]

He's very powerful for endgame especially

[river vigil]

time for another 2 hours of resetting

[dusty spire]

So good

[cyan tide]

Not when there's a timer

[dusty spire]

The arc combo feels so good too

Like double lmgs

[twilit thistle]

Reset if u dont get the solar one first. Should work with any of the 3 elements tbh. The other one is common. Use the artifact to boost ur shield capacity too

[dusty spire]

He’s serious stuff

Really good tbh

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trexmorgan-t-pose-tpose-gmod-tf2-gif-15441722269843033587

That dude is a 4 star

[thorny frost]

I was starting to farm one of these to test out with Estela, and see what all aspects it enhances. So maybe by next week I can test it depending on when I can unlock him.

[timber citrus]

They should bring back that Tower Defense mode. I feel like Mr Tickle Tornadoes would be pretty good in that

[twilit thistle]

❤️‍🔥

[signal spade]

Remember when we got that witness trailer like big things are coming and the patch randomly mentioned prestige leviathan but we at the same time can't get a damn hero trial or skins

Good times

[visual rain]

the witness in drising?

[signal spade]

You don't remember that video?

[visual rain]

what video

[signal spade]

Idk go to their dead YouTube channel it's still there

[indigo solar]

It wasn't the witness

[indigo solar]

Threats from Beyond

[indigo solar]

The fact that his tornado actually pulls powerful combatants is huge

[visual rain]

the witness is the only mf i know who talks about salvation so who else is it

[signal spade]

If the path to salvation isn't a witness hint idk what is

[visual rain]

we are so in sync

[signal spade]

Truth

[bitter estuary]

skinny xuan wei

[signal spade]

The overlaid voices is also big witness vibes

[indigo solar]

The witness doesn't use "I"

It's most likely Clotho stuff

[indigo solar]

This part is ahamkara

[visual rain]

"No, it is but the end of the beginning."
EoS announced a year later

[signal spade]

I need confirmation d2 isn't getting their eos at this point

[visual rain]

if they shut it down maybe they can finally get D3 out

[signal spade]

Either way the trailer is more hype than whatever the hell came after it

[visual rain]

destiny trailers have a tendency to do that and i guess rising is no exception

[signal spade]

Whoever thinks sidearms are good for impact is probably the same person who thinks hand cannons are good for piercing

Meanwhile rapid fire and spread are just like do whatever you want who cares

[river vigil]

in theory they are in practice they need a number change

[visual rain]

crimson isnt horrible for piercing tho?

[signal spade]

You still get hit with the counter

[visual rain]

not if you abuse 3rd person :)

[signal spade]

Which is terrible feedback

Use this gun it'll work but also you might die

[bitter estuary]

we need arbalest primary

[signal spade]

Erianas

[visual rain]

yeah i hate piercing shinkas theyre probably the worst shinka tbh

[bitter estuary]

oh a d2 hc

[visual rain]

its not 2019 anymore

[bitter estuary]

ok

[visual rain]

holy hell im realizing shadowkeep was 7 years ago

[signal spade]

This game started being worked on during beyond light

If it goes eos that fast it'd be insane

So I doubt it's going anywhere soon

[worn trellis]

so hows the new character?

[indigo solar]

Good cc, decent abilities and insane survivability but peashooter weapon damage

[worn trellis]

ok. so a good team character

[indigo solar]

Eh, they'll keep your teammates alive but you'll want better damage

[worn trellis]

so a skip?

[indigo solar]

They're abysmal at both impact and spread shinka takedowns so don't expect to see them outside of six man content

[slow token]

Wait until u unlocked full catalyst

[indigo solar]

Not a skip, you should get t0 of every character but largely not very strong outside of maybe day one raids

He could be v strong for day ones since he's impossible to kill, so he'll let you focus on figuring out mechanics

[worn trellis]

true. I guess i was more so meaning to not invest more than just unlocking him

[neon pebble]

What weapons you guys using?

[indigo solar]

Double mythic

[neon pebble]

What GL mods?

[worn trellis]

the mythic sidearms are good?

[twilit thistle]

We are old 😔

[worn trellis]

why would you say that XD

[keen oasis]

Idk why everyone thought a side arm and hgl was such a good idea 48 hr ago and now realizes they are both the worst dps weapons

Auto and Rocket would be e been way better

[neon pebble]

Crazy mods

[visual rain]

not me im a day 0 opp of the new guy whatever hes called

the moment i heard he used sidearms i knew it was over

[keen oasis]

Yeah it’s not a good selling point when you literally only have 2 choices for heavy

However there could still be some broken combo somewhere in the mix

[cyan tide]

I mean his kit is still good, he just deals negative damage. I don't think different weapons would've saved him tbh, maybe if he had rapid fire to build stacks faster

[jagged osprey]

They should reduce stack requirement from 300 to 200 or something

[cyan tide]

Fr, didn't they do something like that for Jaren?

[keen oasis]

Really I’d rather have have a hammer titan or cool dawn blade warlock

[jagged osprey]

They made Jaren 48 shots instead of 48 precision shots

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/trexmorgan-t-pose-tpose-gmod-tf2-gif-15441722269843033587

This gif conveys my thoughts on what is wrong.

[cyan tide]

Has anyone gotten the adept mod that increases weapon damage the lower your super energy is?

[worn trellis]

didnt someone say this new character was earnable for free?

[stark forge]

yes wait for condensate reward

[worn trellis]

condensate?

[cyan tide]

If you complete enough sesonal quests you'll get 40 universal condensates (aka character fragments) that you can use to unlock him or any other mythic character you don't own

[worn trellis]

oh ok.

[signal spade]

hm.

[twilit thistle]

Faster pls I gotta farm 11

[bitter estuary]

playing on heroic is so funny sometimes

holy crap a kabr that does some damage in the wild

[twilit thistle]

Pray our ai developer doesn’t mess it up

[bitter estuary]

these weapon combos some ikoras have genuinely pmo

[signal spade]

charity night in cordon

[twilit thistle]

I have like 20 of those things to spend before Monday 😭

[sullen depot]

I know RAWR got it

But it low rolled in power

[stark forge]

i feel violated every time seeing ikora with drill in the wild

[twilit thistle]

Did u see mine

😔

.

[oak kettle]

average random teammates in cordon really do be like this

[twilit thistle]

The top one throws if you aren’t F2P

Used to deal with that one in sg. Every single time he’d feed, and do absolutely nothing

[crisp shuttle]

Freakin gawd damn level carry

[crisp shuttle]

I deal like 20.3% damge, but I’m also only 62k power on my best character (wolf)

[twilit thistle]

Shoulda seen what we did to put an underlight f2p player on the moon. @indigo solar might be on the leaderboards rn 😂

[oak kettle]

genuinely i swear half of the randoms in cordon have no idea what an "ability" or "heavy weapon" is

[crisp shuttle]

I do know that

[stark forge]

problem is they dont pick buff before starting

[oak kettle]

i'm sitting there waiting for the efrideet to pop a sniper shot into the piercing shinka shield so i can nuke it and they're using their hc

and they're running crimson or smtn so they genuinely have no excuse for not having HAmmo

[signal spade]

i love failing 10 A

[cyan tide]

I had a run earlier with an Ikora who was so clueless istg, they took their sweet time stunning shinkas even when they were right in front of us

[stark forge]

these ikora too obsessed with drill lol

[oak kettle]

yeah i swear every random ikora is on the drill

[cyan tide]

That Helhest went full healer lmao

[twilit thistle]

Which side…? 🤔

[signal spade]

bottom

[stark forge]

if only every ikora using 2 tail

[crisp shuttle]

You guys should invite me and carry me so I can get rewards, I’ll do my best I promise…

[sullen depot]

Matchmaking bottom is an rip cuz of the arc blast modifier that’s preset

[crisp shuttle]

Have to get off work first though, lol

[signal spade]

yea i just wanna get bot over with

[oak kettle]

more of a truth person here cus it lets you just spam heavy with no regard for such trivial things as "ammo economy"

[sullen depot]

I was able to get to finish lvl 10 on both sides earlier today so I relax now

[oak kettle]

done it with 2 unique characters on each for the 88 star reward?

[twilit thistle]

Unlock 11 😭 idc how bad anyone is as long as they break shinkas ill do 100% of the rest

[signal spade]

i already unlocked 11 i need my last 10 on poop side

[stark forge]

100% they will die upon touching the shinka

[sullen depot]

Nah I don’t go that far caring for that. Never did for any of the past cordons either . Just want the first clear rewards

[crisp shuttle]

Or wolf with the exotic grenade launcher, and upgrades that give it plus blast damage, and make the first charged fire 5 rounds at once for the cost of 1 ammo, to which it can be spammed (provided it’s reloaded every time)

Also the new character

I think Tariq can do the same thing

[oak kettle]

sata super rounds use no ammo actually

you can load em in when you're completely dry

[crisp shuttle]

Oooo, now I NEED to grind that out

[crisp shuttle]

Really? Damn

Why don’t more people spam that with wolf then? You can get crazy amounts of damage with his talents and weapon mastery maxed, plus the exotic upgrades (catalysts?)

[oak kettle]

cus it's alright but it's no truth mag dump with 7 billion ikora laser hits at point blank

[sullen depot]

Beyblade Ikora

[crisp shuttle]

Fair enough, but I just don’t like playing Ikora…

[oak kettle]

can't believe people think ikora isn't meant to be played at even closer ranges than gwynn

[crisp shuttle]

Naw you use those explosives like shotguns

[oak kettle]

i swear i get t6 randoms who will not aggro with her

[crisp shuttle]

What the best Jolder build?

[oak kettle]

they looked up the build guide and then did not actually bother watching the rest of the video that says shove your face into the enemy and spam laser

[oak kettle]

uhhhh Huckle/Strykers or any old good smg/Partridge (for spread shinkas) last i checked

as for artifacts i have no clue

you'd have to ask the people who actually play her

[crisp shuttle]

I heard a smg called night something I can’t remember it was best earlier, what’s the difference? (I want to be able to take out spread shinkas as right now that’s her weakness for me)

[timber citrus]

I skipped Ikora season. Is it worth using a truth with no extra copies or should I go with a Mythic or two tail fox

[oak kettle]

You’d be losing a lot of damage on truth but also that’s not exactly why you run truth

I think it depends on talents

[timber citrus]

T4 I think

[oak kettle]

If you have enough to make the abilities hit hard enough and often enough sticking truth is probably best

[crisp shuttle]

Yeah, thank you for your help though, at some point I’d also appreciate it if some more experienced players could help me get through some of my challenges as it’s really damn hard rn for me to increase my power

[oak kettle]

And maybe getting some more truth copies if you’re willing to spend your tokens on them

[river vigil]

[oak kettle]

On a lower investment Ikora Thats when I’d consider 2 tailed or wardcliff tho

[timber citrus]

I won't have 180 tokens before this game goes offline

[twilit thistle]

Flame didn’t lock in 😔

[river vigil]

[timber citrus]

Plus those bozos made it take like 3 months to get enough exotic Pepsi cans to upgrade a single gun

[crisp shuttle]

Naw, grind higher power requirements, you can get enough to max it out in like a week, semi casual play not even massive grinding time

[timber citrus]

3 per legendary campaign run?! Nah that's crazy talk lol

[twilit thistle]

Did u oob

[crisp shuttle]

I say that from personal experience I said the same thing but got corrected by a more experienced player who pointed me towards activities to grind for the rewards

[timber citrus]

Just running legendary campaign adept 2 over and over?

[crimson crown]

bro i didn't know about that
that's huge

[bitter estuary]

I forgor i had this lfr

[twilit thistle]

2 min 30s average for adept 3

[crisp shuttle]

Me fr, gotta learn that parkour

[naive ingot]

Fiery balls

[river vigil]

What about the tariq clear times

[timber citrus]

We're still waiting for the first guy to finish

[last matrix]

hey does anyone know if theres been any news about a port to pc?

[signal spade]

theres no way youre not ai

[sullen depot]

https://tenor.com/view/goatishere-gif-5651566074707732289

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-stan-twitter-woman-sitting-gif-24452683

[bitter estuary]

its worse than the del 9 🥀

still much better than eotl

[indigo solar]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[twilit thistle]

🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m keepen em busy

[indigo solar]

Truly a "how it started vs how it's going" moment

There are such fun spots to oob to

[twilit thistle]

Lord of the oob

[indigo solar]

I like breaking stuff 🙂

[summer ledge]

When did they add universal condensate to the draws?

[bitter estuary]

now

illustrations are too expensive so they did that instead

[summer ledge]

So that also means no new ghost, sparrow, emote, transmat, I am guessing.

[bitter estuary]

ye

[summer ledge]

Fair enough, I suppose. I will take an upgrade like that.

Now to decide if the condensate goes to Kabr 3 or new character 1.

[dusky wind]

Hey guys, I have a question about weapon mods. Can all of them be exotic? And where else can you get them as drops?

I'm farming and leveling up to put on Jarden's weapons since I don't have a good exotic for him.

[sullen depot]

Farm front lines for exotic mods

Also every 10 front lines u can craft an exotic mod from the synthesis thing as wel

[dusky wind]

Ohhhh

[summer ledge]

What are early impressions of the new character in terms of how comparable they are to Kabr?

Is Kabr still generally better because of his weapon set?

[polar summit]

New char is way better at ad clearing compared to kabr

[dusky wind]

Build pls

[rotund flame]

Bro bots in cordon are unbelievably bad. They are legit trolls

Bot just stayed in the back walking back and forth 🗿

[golden spade]

Did anyone try the exotic grenade launcher on tariq as a viable dps build?

[polar summit]

I switched rampage pact for prep plasma but it’s very little diff

[heady obsidian]

some game sequels are worthy of the highest reward. things like red dead redemption 2 or halo 2

and season of wishes act 2 is definitely next to them

maybe even dethroning the king

incredible sequel to the greatest MMO expansion to date

🔥 🔥

[golden spade]

Vailent veil works on tariq?

[polar summit]

Yes his tornado dash is a movement ability

[golden spade]

Thank you for the reply. I couldn't play much yesterday. Will try him out

[sullen depot]

Only for t6 though!

If ur not t6 go the plasma artifact in slot 4

[golden spade]

I have him at T0, and I don't know if I will invest in him. So thanks

[sullen depot]

Also slot 2 bulwark pact is Better imo

[golden spade]

How about wolf's exotic? Is it not good on tariq? I was thinking it could be a strong burst dps option

[sullen depot]

Exotic GL?

Nah the reason it works on wolf cuz wolf has a low super cd

[golden spade]

Ah ok

[sullen depot]

Nah they need to release a mythic arc GL to compensate

I feel like the solar sidearm shouldn’t leave his arsenal

[surreal berry]

I seen someone posted this MONTHS ago in Discord.

[surreal berry]

This sounds like... you just Collecting characters... for the heck of it?...

[sullen depot]

Fine to collect characters if u want. Is he a top dps character…no. Is he a great character for fair play raid race due to barrier survivability and move speed he can grant teammates…yes

[dusky wind]

Ok

I'm new to the game so it'll take me a while to get a build like that.

[golden spade]

I was excited that he was a solar character and pulled him within 10 draws. But I don't think i will build him so no big loss

[polar summit]

How does bulwark token works on him?

[sullen depot]

Increase health of summons by 50%

Basically increase health of his barrier by 50% so much stronger barriers

Making him a lot more beefier

[polar summit]

His barrier never breaks tbh

[sullen depot]

And then even better for higher content then

U can replace shield boost with recovery boost instead basically

So even if ur health drops at one point, u can pop ur barrier again and then recover fast since barrier is so beefy

[polar summit]

Or melee res for even more dr

Idk still figuring out how he works

[sullen depot]

Yup melee/range/recovery/shield all valid 4th option

[polar summit]

I pushed to 20ish cordon with him and he is almost invincible

Lack in dmg from weapons tho

[rotund flame]

Wonder what the next character in 20 days is?

[sullen depot]

This is his go to I will say. U can switch chia for resolute conjunction slot 1 if u play more up close

[polar summit]

But on boss phase he is not that bad, doing like 1/3 boss dmg

[sullen depot]

U have t6 right?

[polar summit]

Yea

[sullen depot]

Yah that’s why.

[rotund flame]

Lol

[sullen depot]

He is a t6 or t0 character

[polar summit]

I’m using shield elemental defense and melee res, tomorrow ima swap shield or melee res to barrier

[sullen depot]

Either u go t6 so u actually have some dps with him or stop at t0 and use him for fair play in raid race basically

[polar summit]

Barrier is actually very useful for him

For duration and dr

[sullen depot]

Elemental, barrier and defense is the core trio. Must have

[rotund flame]

If barrier worked for summons like estela it would be so good instead of a dead stat on most characters

[polar summit]

True

[narrow trail]

He’ll be okay in FairPlay, he can survive but he’ll struggle to kill things, it’s not like he has arby or anything

[polar summit]

But bulwark pact still didn’t convince me, might run some tests

[sullen depot]

His fair play is more so to make ur teammates survive to deal damage. Not for him to deal damage

The trio of him, HH and Estella for raid race is op

[cursive depot]

plus its just his grouping capabilities

[restive ruin]

idk I think unless its an insane survivability check, then you dont really need heros that keep everyone alive in this game. it's really a skill issue at that point, not being disrespectful

like for fair play that is

[rotund flame]

Arby is so good. Made playing kabr fun. Another defense character with actually good weapons. The grenade launcher on the character feels like it does nothing lol

[narrow trail]

True, but people will still probably play umeko for dmg buff instead of him for raids

[restive ruin]

pretty much

[sullen depot]

I mean if u have a character in fair play that make u survive and not pple dying left and right that’s pretty good. Raid race aka first team to clear the raid, not the speed race

[restive ruin]

we haven't had an insane survivability check yet

Raid race you absolutely don't care for that im ngl

it's a skill issue that you need teammates to just preform

[narrow trail]

That’s true I do get that, my worry would be aside from not dying how much is he contributing

[sullen depot]

That’s his job. His job is to make yall survive so u can better understand the raid mechanics and know what to do. And clear the raid as the first team

[rotund flame]

Honestly kabr alter is probably better if you want to go survivability. At least he can do some damage and everyone mostly has at least 1 copy

[narrow trail]

But that being said, he’s pretty cool, I torn on whether to pull more talents or not for general play

[restive ruin]

you don't need that though, you can get by with other characters with better neutral games and stronger ammo econ/sustain.

he is good for putting deadweight onto thats really it

jaren does his job better for example

for fair play that is

[rotund flame]

We can never escape the helhest meta 😭

[restive ruin]

yeah basically lol

[sullen depot]

Eh like imo raids race is 6 players. Having 1 player as a designated “hey u make us survive and we deal all the damage” I don’t think is a bad thing

That’s why I said a trio of him, HH and Estella is op

[restive ruin]

It's not but that role isn't something raid race teams or leader rush teams will want

because it's pretty much accepting a handicap

it's more for completionist teams

unless we do get an encounter that really calls for it, but we have not had that yet

[sullen depot]

Again raid race! I’m not talking about speeed. I’m talking about worlds first

[restive ruin]

I mentioned that, I said raid race and leader rush

[narrow trail]

Umeko would probably still out weigh the survivability

[restive ruin]

Raid Race teams are and were not taking guys like Tan for his well, Jolder for his bubble, Maru for barrier aggro, Kabr for his objective presence into those encounters

[sullen depot]

What survivability does umeko give to a team?

[surreal berry]

even for Corden Mode or Survivalbility... Surely Tariq can be THAT GUY for impact Exspanse

[restive ruin]

he said out weigh, the pros are basically 30% less boss damage outweighs a mobile 10s 40% movement speed + barrier on 18s cooldown

but umeko does give surviability though, but it's also not really relevant

[sullen depot]

Wasn’t there a team that got 4th in raid race in na cuz they used Kabr in 3rd encounter?

I remember seeing that on leaderboards

[restive ruin]

there was, but it was just one team and ultimately meaningless because they were completely out of the race unless you count top 5 pins

[bitter estuary]

i would only get him for raids

just incase we do get leviathan

[restive ruin]

yeah thats fair

you should have pretty much everyone at least

[sullen depot]

Cordon he can’t cuz it’s time gated. U actually need dps for cordon

[restive ruin]

yeah, maybe his damage will improve and then the conversation changes

HGL caps his ceiling

[sullen depot]

With t6 lol

[restive ruin]

🥀

[sullen depot]

He is a talent heavy character. T6 or T0. No in between

Imo

If ur pulling for talents means ur pulling for dps and if u don’t go all the way with it then its an rip

[surreal berry]

FYI!!! Tariq is a new character...
He get's +1 Aura lvl in the Amanare

[crisp shuttle]

Same, is that one the fuel tank in the wolf den or the mountain?

[true basin]

Ah another hunter

Waiting for that solar mythic titan.

[marsh mist]

His damage likely wont change sinxe hes a def namsayin

[twilit thistle]

🥺

[marsh mist]

I missed out on t6 efri

Might t6 tariq for cope

But not enough fomo

[thorny frost]

Part of my thoughts when I mentioned it earlier was also with learning the raid. While learning mechanics and all the different aspects of a stage it could be very beneficial to not lose a life due to snipers you didn’t know was there. Then if you need more damage he might get swapped out for units who better fit the stage.

In the end the top teams will be the ones to decide how it all best balances with their play styles. He just has a niche that could lead to a quicker learning curve, and saving wipes to be mainly from mechanics and not mob death early on.

[heady obsidian]

new character with heavy GL releases
haven't had a heavy GL since S2 in November

thanks NetEase 💜💜💜💜

[twilit thistle]

All hes good at is ad clear, and breaking shinkas. Damage not found.

[stark forge]

he just use his sidearm anyway

[bitter estuary]

he does less damage than wolf 💜

[heady obsidian]

BWAHAHAHAHA

[marsh mist]

High key sad

[bitter estuary]

his kit is horrid for satiyaliksni

[steep dome]

where is the trial for the dude lmao

[twilit thistle]

His only job is to farm cordon 11. He has no other purpouse in the game.

[heady obsidian]

there isn't anything to accompany him, not a trial nor training

[stark forge]

idk only manifesto works for him

[steep dome]

yea sus...

[twilit thistle]

He is a 4 star that was cancled, and they dug up just to throw something out with as little effort as possible. He prolly be in the game files burried since like pre alpha

[bitter estuary]

he has good ad clear but once you try to kill shielded orange/yellow ads (with a different element) or shinkas or bosses you're over

[heady obsidian]

probably cancelled in favor of gwynn since their abilities are so similar

[heady obsidian]

our first ever 3 star character 💜

[steep dome]

i want to throw my wallet at this game but like cmon now

void rapid fire WHEN

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavisionstan-tiahra-nelson-gif-laughing-gif-5381475891204551396

[heady obsidian]

first time I think I'm gonna outright avoid drawing for the character lmao

[bitter estuary]

as i said, just use elemental condensate

[heady obsidian]

not worth it either

[steep dome]

i dont even think hes worth the element condensate either

[heady obsidian]

can use the condensate for ascending characters

[bitter estuary]

i feel so free here in this game, skipping banners doesnt mean i will not have the character

[bitter estuary]

yes but mythics are random, obv ill use my universal ones for my main characters i want

[heady obsidian]

oh true

[thorny frost]

Sooner or later you will get him from his personal condensate XD

[steep dome]

i wish side arms were buffed they are extremely underwhelming tbh

[heady obsidian]

they're gonna force me to unlock him eventually

[heady obsidian]

half the things in the game need a buff and the other half need to be nerfed

either the game is piss easy and I can do it half asleep or it's meta or die

[steep dome]

yea powercreep is a lil wild

gwynn really isnt good anymore

[heady obsidian]

weapon rarities don't need to exist at this point outside of the differentiating between normal and exotic

[steep dome]

we need void rapid fire mythic to exist

[thorny frost]

I think you mean offensive rapid XD we have a defensive one basically. Jolder can break rapid fire Shinkas pretty well

[rotund flame]

So glad i waited for some reviews before i pulled. Rather t6 helhest or estela

[steep dome]

yea forgot about her haha

[thorny frost]

Jolder has become one of my go to when I have 0 ideas what I am getting paired with in match making…. As long as I am smart with my sword I can handle 3 out of 4 shinkas ok.

[steep dome]

i heard estela is basically mandatory t6 required

[heady obsidian]

Unfortunately yeah, it's ridiculous what T6ing her does

[thorny frost]

T6 is a huge quality of life upgrade

[rotund flame]

She did extremely well in the raid while in contest mode

[steep dome]

she hella cool i wish we would get another cool summon character

[rotund flame]

But yeah t6 is crazy good for her. Like every t6 lol

[thorny frost]

If her summons weren’t as squashy it wouldn’t be as mandatory I feel

[heady obsidian]

drawing a mythic 7 times to be usable is ridiculous especially when the character is a very short draw period

[steep dome]

nah not every t6

efrideet is really just to t5

they always put the best talent in t5 or t6 cuz they know youll pull t6 regardless lmao

[heady obsidian]

either that or they should go the route even rainbow six siege has where old things go into a second permanent banner specifically for more rare stuff that has a different charm type

[restive ruin]

this is logical for non comeptitive teams though.

For actual top raid/race and leaderboard teams; they start off with whats logically most meta and brute force until DPS.

After gauging DPS or repeated fails, or no longer in the race, then they consider bringing in something for survivability just for clear

[rotund flame]

Jaren seems to do very well at t0. Hate when you need copies for them not to feel wonky

[restive ruin]

for completionist teams then it's the other way around, where you entry with whats most likely to clear and be more consistent and then gauge how far you are off DPS

[steep dome]

jaren is a huge quality of life upgrade at t6 haha

[thorny frost]

Useable and good tiers are different… a lot are useable, just don’t expect to be topping leaderboards, which is true for any competitive aspect.

[heady obsidian]

well yeah but half the point of the game is to be at the top of the leaderboards

bc if you're not then having a reason to grind stops REAL quick

[steep dome]

idgaf about leaderboards

[thorny frost]

Then it is automatic that you need T6 if truly looking to be competative with top players (out of fair play).

[heady obsidian]

what do you play the game for then

[steep dome]

having fun with the characters and their build

[rotund flame]

For this new event, do the 10 keys for the roulette reset daily?

[steep dome]

it gets stale thou

[heady obsidian]

Yur

[steep dome]

i also enjoy the gameplay and content we just need more of it. new draws arent content especially now

[oak kettle]

I feel like that’s less to do with T0 Estella being particularly good and more to do with her being the only limited option for time sensitive rapid fire shinkas,

She was basically mandatory

[stark forge]

t0 estela is buns

[worn musk]

She’s good for day 1 raids at t0

[oak kettle]

Just happened to not be that bad at the same time

[worn musk]

One of the best mythics

[steep dome]

gwynn was fire for like a solid 3 weeks lmao

[worn musk]

Real

[steep dome]

nah until jaren/estela came along

[worn musk]

Hopefully maru gets some granny love wen she comes back

[stark forge]

but then i dont do day 1 raid

[rotund flame]

I remember people switching to her in the crota raid when you get to the part with crossing the bridge with swords. She was the only one who could kill the invisible mobs lol

[bitter estuary]

gwynn is still nice she's just really... REALLY ability based so t6a5 or do 0 damage

[steep dome]

maru might have the quickest powercreep tbh

i have t6 shes not that good

[worn musk]

Fax

[restive ruin]

gwyn fastest powercreep

[bitter estuary]

ikora isn't that much better in dps but her ad clear is increadibly good

[steep dome]

relies on ads too much and jarens shotgun just blows her shotgun out completely

[oak kettle]

Having offensive summons is a surprisingly niche thing in this game and it’s one of the things that makes Estella alright for things like that

[worn musk]

I agree with u but I still like her I also have t6 with A1 might ascend her to A5 will see if they re work her first

[bitter estuary]

as i said before

its really tied WAY too much on building up stacks for the abilities

[rotund flame]

At least people who don't have jaren still use her. Maru is dead though, most people have ikora alter lol

[oak kettle]

Estella isn’t particularly good at low talents but she’s consistently shown up in day 1 raids because the stars align for her niches pretty often

[steep dome]

yea i mean im a dolphin the ascends are out of my budget

[bitter estuary]

balls

[worn musk]

Just play ur cards right focus one get those free 40

[steep dome]

but yea t6 she not great t0 she not great either

[oak kettle]

Mainly because NetEase just hasn’t made new characters that fill those niches like a single rapid fire character or another offensive summoner

[steep dome]

gwynn is a fine t0 to grab imo thats it

maybe t1 for the ability spam boost

[rotund flame]

So true. Beens forever since I last seen a rapid fire character lol

[worn musk]

New summoner would be 🔥

[oak kettle]

Rossi and Estella are literally the only 2 since launch I’m pretty sure

[steep dome]

rossi dont summon nuthin

[rotund flame]

Waiting for that bee keeper kit that was leaked a long time ago lol

[cursive depot]

he was talking about rapids

[steep dome]

ah yea

we badly need rapid

[oak kettle]

It’s no wonder that people have just chucked crimson onto efri and called it a day for rapid fire

[worn musk]

We need a necromancer

[steep dome]

crimson efrideet is pretty fire at t0 haha

shes a good t0 mythic

good f2p mythic

[worn musk]

Can u imagine summoning a fat shank after killing em

[steep dome]

i like the way ur thinking

void rapid fire necromancer can curse and kill to summon them.

[oak kettle]

Timur moment

D1’s memory of timur artifact let you turn low tier enemies to your side by meleeing them

[steep dome]

with an overpowered dash that fully restores power ammo

[oak kettle]

So could be fitting for Lord Timur if he ever gets added

[steep dome]

DR my first destiny i cant be bothered to watch an 18 hour lore video to catch up

kabr passed the vibe check thou i know that

[steep dome]

sick artifact

[restive ruin]

I lowkey never paid attention to lore in d2 and skipped every cutscene, but I read about Traveler/Hive/Light and Darkness/Witness while on a train ride. It's pretty good lol

[oak kettle]

Half the memories in d1 were so weak (reduced incoming dot damage) then you bangers like this and sword guarding reflecting projectiles

[steep dome]

lore deep dives always fire i had that with fallout

[restive ruin]

yea for sure

[steep dome]

wish d1 was on steam id cop

[restive ruin]

some destiny lore stuff is a miss, but the read was pretty awesome. killed like 1.5 hours with it and I feel dumb because I legit just would pass by alot of things in raids and be like oh thats cool

without even knowing what it was lol

cabal/hive/darkness vs light is crazy nice

[steep dome]

hmmm yea thats me lmao

monkey brain go kill red bar

[restive ruin]

yea lol, just trying to get a fast clear/triumphs and hit good dps and look at scenery/backdrops at most

[fiery marsh]

Dunno how, but radiation arts on estela does pretty darn well o.o

Rage baiting all the estela mains with this build xD

[heady obsidian]

I should start making builds for all of the characters once I get efrideet to max

efri is such a breath of fresh air after only really playing warlock characters for so long

mostly estela ikora gwynn

her kit is actually fun and I'm not forced to use the last word anymore

crimson meta in the big 26 is crazy

[thorny frost]

There is a balance to it tho, there were comments about Efrideet from first clear this last raid as she was actually able to survive better than say HH. Now she has good damage still but we have seen that Tariq also has good aoe capabilities so it isn’t like he is complete dead weight either there.

But in the end I could be completely wrong in my take and I will admit it. The top teams will figure out what works for them. It just seems like he definitely has potential there. Fair play might also give an edge as his weapon mastery isn’t weapon damage based, which feels like gets hit more in raids.

[thorny frost]

This I don’t feel is really any better than normal builds and mainly viable in testing range due to summons not always able to keep up with the healing in normal game play XD.

[restive ruin]

I could be wrong too, maybe Tariq has better neutral than I'm thinking right now. But as it stands like I just don't really agree with the role of "if it helps survive it's viable" for day 1s.

It's just not like destiny 2 so far where we need a well or we need team wide damage mitigation. Like Hellhests healing drones have genuinely been enough and she brings insane damage

estellas summons mitagate damage with cc and jaren's blind is also extremely insane, both have way way better neutrals at a first glance right now

if Tariqs neutral is really like that, then yeah I'll be wrong. just assuming it's... what it is

he just lacks the sustained damage, ammo econ, and boss damage that those 2 can give

[cursive depot]

tariq could see use in a non boss encounter but nothing more

[restive ruin]

puzzle encounters yeah I agree

[cursive depot]

I could see him being a pick for say first encoutner of this most recent raid and thats it

[restive ruin]

something that makes someone vulnerable and you also have to be fast, like VoW 3rd encounter would be a good place for him

but I still think Ikora and Jaren are just better there

[cursive depot]

provides dr to team, speed bonus and great cc

dont need great dmg when a boss is not the target

[restive ruin]

yeah but youll run out of HGL and then you are sidearming everything waiting on cooldowns 🥀

[cursive depot]

mythic sidearms are good for his bar

[thorny frost]

He could have been good at bridge crota too, maybe first encounter as well.

[cursive depot]

since they have fast rpm

[fiery marsh]

By around 2 mil

[restive ruin]

I think he can be good, but he just isnt my first thought tbh

[fiery marsh]

My overshield build did 2 mil less

[cursive depot]

I mean yea he has to compete with ikora so

just saying he could see play there and I wouldnt question that decision unlike a kabr in place of efr/hh for a boss encounter

[restive ruin]

yeah I won't disagree with that

like Kabr and him are great for their roles, I just dont believe in that role is all

I think most competitive teams will just say skill issue + just preform, obviously until you hit a wall

[cursive depot]

Tariq is in the cc role which he performs well in, kabr is just all defense and worse that hh/efr by a good margin

[restive ruin]

I view them as like guys that can hold objectives and help teams move from point A to B really, he does both while Kabr does only obj/point presence

but yeah

[dawn pagoda]

Anyone know how many mobius cluster to fully upgrade adept mod?

[cursive depot]

also extreme example but first raid launch we were 10k power under and having a finala to stand on plate was a viable option

[thorny frost]

I think all the little explosions he can do could really help clear rooms.

[sullen depot]

Nothing says he has to take over Ikora role tho. If an encounter is spread+piercing for example u can have Tariq, HH, Ikora and then the 3 remaining pple can be anyone else u want. Just havng a character that can boost ur teammates survivability a lot just makes the race more comfy until u can figure out whatever the encounter is to complete it

[cursive depot]

dont think we are ever going to need that type of survivability again but tariq does provide that for any type of capture obj

[restive ruin]

yeah I cleared that first day, I ran joldur. That was the ONLY time where legit survivability was actually immensely needed

I wish they would do that instead and axe leaderboard rush tbh

then yes, Tariq becomes incredibly viable.

[cursive depot]

based on how they were nerfing the raid mid weekend I doubt we will get that

[restive ruin]

work time hope everyone has a good day

[sullen depot]

Goodluck!!

[cursive depot]

@visual rain

your turn

[thorny frost]

Hope work isn’t to stressful

[visual rain]

i dont got a spread char no thanks

[cursive depot]

darn

[visual rain]

i am busy trying to nohit a boss in where winds meet on abyss difficulty anyway

void king so free

[bitter estuary]

tariq having his super cooldown being 120s is so bad

[gilded onyx]

hi

[bitter estuary]

i want it to be so good with ssb but ugh

[crisp shuttle]

All of us thinking he’s gonna be broken: Tariq being ok ish

[visual rain]

its too easy

[crisp shuttle]

If he doesn’t have a talent to reduce that time wolf is low key better than him with T6

[obtuse chasm]

All?

[obtuse chasm]

What game is this?

[visual rain]

where winds meet

[crisp shuttle]

Why are you so stuck up bro? The majority of people thought he would be broken. My opinion was that he would be slightly worse than wolf. Chill out a bit. Don’t have to be so toxic.

[visual rain]

what

[obtuse chasm]

It was a small minority that thought he would be good

[visual rain]

why are we inventing arguments

[obtuse chasm]

I might’ve used to many words

[crisp shuttle]

Everyone I talked to but 2 people said he’d be broken, fem my perspective that’s what the general opinion was

[visual rain]

i never thought he'd be good either

[crisp shuttle]

I’m not the greatest at words or English

[obtuse chasm]

It was not, he is a defensive character, no one other then real and 1 other thought he’d be good

But tbf they said fun not good

[crisp shuttle]

I agree with that, all of the characters are fun in their own right

[bold fog]

wheres the tariq trial?!!

[wide dagger]

Kabir players r middle age men

[crisp shuttle]

Defensive characters can be good, he just doesn’t have the full capacity to do so and be meta

[empty kettle]

Doesn't exist

[bold fog]

omg

[obtuse chasm]

If it’s not an offense or support character they have no value to the current meta rn

That’s just a sad fact of the current content we have atm

That being said he may still be valid for contest raid situations

[crisp shuttle]

Jolder can do well, not great, but ok. A skilled player can more than match an average skilled meta player

[crisp shuttle]

Yeah, I want to see a better balanced meta, even though that’s unlikely to happen

Potential buff to ranged weapons (not too much though), or debuff to smg bsa would work. (Crazy how most auto rifles have more bsa than most smgs)

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah but the same could be said about any character, jolder is mid at best, there’s a new tech going around but even then it’s situational and there aren’t many situations that would warrant using her

[crisp shuttle]

Also fair

[obtuse chasm]

I totally agree that the meta should shift, maybe by just removing timers in general making characters relating to defense more viable in high cordon

[crisp shuttle]

Did you know wolf can naturally stack over 100k damage in 1 hit on his movement ability? (Technically it’s a special in the menu but its movement, let’s be real)

[crisp shuttle]

Yeah buffing defensive characters would also help

[obtuse chasm]

Ehhhh I feel like removing timers is the move, idk how they would go about buffing defensive characters

[crisp shuttle]

Increase dmg resist

[obtuse chasm]

They still wouldn’t be good if they did that tho

The meta is all about damage

[crisp shuttle]

In theory every character should perfectly match TTK when maxed out, minus support

[obtuse chasm]

Ehhhhh debatable, I don’t think a defense character should match a offense character in ttk

[west violet]

What we think about Tariq? Worth or meh?

[obtuse chasm]

Or else roles would just be nonexistent

[obtuse chasm]

No

[crisp shuttle]

Defense is like a tank, they take more damage but they also put out slightly less than brawling characters

[obtuse chasm]

But that’s the point brother, it doesn’t matter if you can take more damage if you can’t do enough damage to beat the timers

[crisp shuttle]

They match TTK cause defensive has more HP/resist while offense has more raw damage

[west violet]

Got it. Thx mate

[obtuse chasm]

No problem

[obtuse chasm]

Actually let me clarify, get him t0 for fair play activities

But in terms of pulling anything more then that, no

[obtuse chasm]

TTK is time to kill tho raw damage will always beat out damage over time

I just don’t see how increasing Dr on a character can make them more meta viable

[crisp shuttle]

Depends, we factor in abilities and so long as defense can more than match abilities then it’s a fair fight I’d say

[crisp shuttle]

That’s fair

[obtuse chasm]

I still feel that removing times would make it more of a defense focused split with offense/ defense, seeing as at that point your looking more into the long term which defense characters specialize in

[crisp shuttle]

What exactly do you mean by removing times?

[obtuse chasm]

I’m specifically referencing cordon for the most part, I’d say expanse timers are valid to an extent

[west violet]

Already have him T0 for fair play but I was unsure if he will be good at higher T. So it’s a clear no 😉

[crisp shuttle]

Oh, I was talking in PvP

[obtuse chasm]

Sounds good bro 🫡 have a great night/ day

[crisp shuttle]

Yes in cordon remove timers please

[obtuse chasm]

Oh yeah I never factor PvP into anything, unless they release trials PvP will stay a joke in dr

[crisp shuttle]

I struggled through one with a character 2k under recommended power… I could fight but it just took me so long to rack up the damage to kill enemies that I ran out the timer completely more than 3 times (4th time I got it by 2 seconds)

[west violet]

You too bro. And thanks again for the heads up . Much appreciated it

[obtuse chasm]

We were under power for the first round of cordon by a decent amount, it’s still doable just requires more skill

[crisp shuttle]

They could introduce a gladiator ring

1v1-10v10 fights

Based on how many queue up

[crisp shuttle]

I know, I did it fine, it was just the timer that got me

[obtuse chasm]

I think we should stray away from anything higher then 3v3, we just don’t have the PvP players required to support those queues, if we lowered the amount needed for queues with a 3v3 format not only would queues be faster but if we take trials for example, we could possibly have a increase in players for said queues even a minimal one at worst just because of rewards like emblems, parameters, etc.

Also giving competitive PvP players a way to scratch that itch

[crisp shuttle]

They already teased the idea in the campaign, and it can fit lore since light bearers are technically immortal, fighting eachother is a good way to improve combat skills without risking your ghost getting destroyed in the field and permanently dying

[crisp shuttle]

I want it as a variant number, 2 people in queue you get a 1v1, 20 you get a 10v10, no more than 10v10 to keep performance up, and it goes based on time, if it’s an odd number who ever has the lowest time waited gets left to the next match

[crisp shuttle]

Yes it should be for cosmetics and also rare items, incentivize PvP for player retainment

(For example rare and mythic cosmetics, exotic weapon, mods, relics, etc.)

[golden spade]

I would love if pvp was accessible all the time. Even if it is a joke

Why make it only a weekend thing

[obtuse chasm]

I agree, I think it would be great if that were the case, you also have to consider the already bad queue times though. How much worse would those queues be if it wasn’t limited to only on weekends

[obtuse chasm]

Hmmm I guess that would work in theory but in practice you’d probably only ever end up in a 1v1 instance, but that would still give PvP players a way to scratch that itch and not have to wait in queues for 10-15 minutes just to do so

They just need better incentives to drag PvE players into PvP, cosmetics like weapon shaders or animated banners and things of that nature would definitely work

[oblique geyser]

Fyi you can find video on bilbili of tarek clearing every 4 expanse 70👍
Curious to see how it ll perform above though

[fiery marsh]

Even precision?

[bold fog]

who pulling tariq?

[crisp shuttle]

That’s what I thought, making it work that way fits current MM that they use (just remove the bots auto joining PvP mode) and it will keep times short even in low activity as it only needs 2 players, but during higher activity levels you can get in larger matches for more team based play

[bold fog]

wait do we need tariq for season settlement?

[amber jetty]

Hey guys

[bitter estuary]

t6?

[oblique geyser]

Y face tanking shinka

Might be different against higher expanse though

[marsh mist]

Tariq vs jolder?

[slow token]

Hey Stig how you doin, thx for the info, been testing tariq seems interesting

[bold fog]

Estella

[oblique geyser]

Credit to yester言泽

Also Expanse Spread 80-90
Credit again to yester言泽
Looks pretty chill imo
90-100 might be the difficult part where ikora also struggle to clear atm but we'll see if they manage to pull il trough with Tarik

didnt realise the exotic GL was doing this much dmg.. 1.4 mil hit is serious dmg on non shinka

[golden spade]

Bro thanks for the videos, I called it! I was asking here regarding the exotic gl

The thing is if you just shoot on or two shots ure super is back up and u can use ure exotic gl again. So he can somehow burst dmg

[bitter estuary]

i mean wolf can essentially spam it due to his super cooldown being 55s

so you can use it every 22.5s

the super grenades i meant

[stiff breach]

what mods are good for the zico?

[amber jetty]

I’m a beginner what should I do as a first timer for this game

(:

[dusty spire]

He seems more resistant to dmg

[obtuse chasm]

Replace horizon with magnetic

[dusty spire]

I’ve been saying this

And trust he has a few combos

He has a very wide way of building different styles

Next solar titan will have spike shell build in 🤣

Plus his barrier speed boost is cracked

[stiff breach]

magnetic with fire up or mag size?

[obtuse chasm]

I’d say mag size for magnetic but if you do get a horizon I’d aim for rate of fire on it

[golden spade]

Yeah, but u can't use wolf in high end expansion

But still i won't build him. Too tired building characters 😂

[dusty spire]

Wolf and jariq sb performance is not the same style

That’s the arc double lmg mode

[idle wasp]

Iron bar is so dead nowadays. I can’t even get into a game after queuing for 30 mins and it’s a seasonal challenge…

[obtuse chasm]

It’s been dead

[dusty spire]

Well the next move would be to try and obtain new players around summer

Nothing they can do in a saturation period

[idle wasp]

I’ve come back to the game a week ago just to see what is happening and the update overall is good but player count feels low

[obtuse chasm]

Player count isn’t that bad it’s gotten better since season 3

[idle wasp]

It’s just that iron bar games are needed if I want to do all seasonal challenges for the 40 char crystals

[bitter estuary]

tbh im waiting until phase 8/9/10 so i can 114k characters

im just building bullcrap atm because im burnt out doing the same crap over and over again

same bullcrap but atleast different flavors

[obtuse chasm]

You’ll get them eventually, no need to rush iron bar of all things

[dusty spire]

Gatcha

[bitter estuary]

iron bar usually starts going active around 12pm~6pm gmt

for apac/emea

[idle wasp]

Yeah you right tbh, I guess I’ll do the other ones first and then come back to it later.

[bitter estuary]

yes i know

just because you have to doesn't mean you need to, but the game here doesn't really offer that but whatever

its the standard slop,

[idle wasp]

No wonder lol, I’m trying to do it in the morning and no one wants is available. I’ll try it in a few hours again

[bitter estuary]

im not surprised if this gets eos'ed and netease reuses assets for other stuff

[dusty spire]

Then we move on

[bitter estuary]

.. nothing new? lol

[dusty spire]

If anyone feels lost after EOS that means you put way too much much unhealthy time into gatcha

[golden spade]

The question after we finish the phases do we reset the eminare 😰

I'll be done if that's the case

[dusty spire]

Nothing is new your right

So something gotta give eventually

[bitter estuary]

i've played gachas for like more than a decade

[dusty spire]

This might open up new models to gatcha

[bitter estuary]

some games just release and get eos'ed in the same year

[dusty spire]

But right now the sell model is all the same and has been rinsed

[bitter estuary]

and that's normal

[dusty spire]

Yeah

It’s a money making flex

[bitter estuary]

reset

do people read? actually... nevermind

[stiff breach]

hows is there not a trial for the new character

was he even supposed to release?

[dusty spire]

Well we know neteas has had a reduction in staffing heavy I believe so definitely fell into ai slop

You can tell because the creative pieces look dead

[stiff breach]

well theres no animation for the banner, no collectables lol the character isnt even in destiny lore

[dusty spire]

Jariq has no life in his image because ai

[stiff breach]

so probably an ai character lol

[dusty spire]

It’s definitely ai

[stiff breach]

ima just save fore the estela rerun

[dusty spire]

The first few heroes you can tell they had a team

These are probably main stock

Once destiny is done im finished with gatcha until it ends up using the BC. Back to the mines 😅

[bitter estuary]

this is gonna feel like the longest 42days of the season

[naive ingot]

Or released way too early, not finished. Skipped Beekeeper

[dusty spire]

That’s a possibility

But beekeeper would have no hype to be sold into

Like they thought s4 start would have been

[naive ingot]

And originally Tariq was gonna be arc, not solar

[dusty spire]

I think he was always gonna be solar

But I agree with you I think it may have been an early swap out

Ngl I’m happy thought because I really like him, and got him wayyy under what I thought lol..

Also are we meant to get an event this weekend ? Raid?

[stiff breach]

they probably planned until efrideet probably not ikora though

[dusty spire]

Definitely feels like somethings up at the office 😂

[stiff breach]

maybe they found a new ip to milk

[naive ingot]

I got my first copy in 8 draws

[dusty spire]

I think they are just making internal changes that are starting to reflect in their work

Neteas don’t want the reputational lost from this

[naive ingot]

And he's staying T0 as meh Hunter. (Only hunter I would T6 is Cayde... Netease please 😂)

[oblique geyser]

This game know how to talk to a HH main 🔥

[fiery marsh]

I want fire rate + weapon dmg sight mod

[golden spade]

So 42 days until reset?

Then maybe i'll take a break before then and start collecting resources for the mine pit that us the emenare

It's my copium into not believing that we will go through this again

[fiery marsh]

I need 1 more of that adept thingy to get an adept mod

I pray I can get in on monday

[golden spade]

Omg! This is a thing!! Need to farm for it

[oblique geyser]

i didnt know it was random lol

thoughtyou could chose adept mod

[fiery marsh]

Nah

Its random x.x u didn't even get the god roll adept mod

Sad dayz

[dusty spire]

I think the emnare will reset and we do the break through process again, however what you got this season won’t reset in terms of weapons and arts

[fiery marsh]

I also think artifacts reset too

[dusty spire]

But emnare system is a way to bolster activity

[fiery marsh]

Probs back to 1 star x.x

[dusty spire]

Not your collected

But the next seasons start phase will drop 1 stars again

So your current inventory won’t be reset

Just the world drops if that makes sense

[fiery marsh]

Or they might make it team lvl 100

So we have to refarm again xD

[dusty spire]

And you’ll naturally be weaker just because you have to upgrade the enm again like the previous system for season compass

[bitter estuary]

technically 41 days left till season ends yeah

[dusty spire]

Just the world items will have to go through break out phases again

[bitter estuary]

also wow wolf is still good

i hope i can do expanse 70 with him next week

[fiery marsh]

Wolf with sweet business is op

[oblique geyser]

All the post i saw were people getting the lowest or 2nd lowest roll tbh

11% on my arba is better than nothing i guess

[fiery marsh]

Been face tanking ogres with sweet business and healing perturbation artifact

Like... u cant die

[dusty spire]

Does wolf proc his own dmg reduction?

Or he has non?
I need to look

[fiery marsh]

True dat... I got all of helhests artifacts... just waiting for her draw to come back

Ill probably be running double tokens for max dmg

Calming token does more dmg than running axion 3rd slot

[amber jetty]

Ikora the hidden a good character to build ?

Xuan Wei, Kabr or Wolf?

[oblique geyser]

All fight are different, some boss require so much movement that axion become better

[oblique geyser]

Ikora 5 star ?

If 5 star, yes very good spread char

[oblique geyser]

In cordon for example, its hard using calming at péak efficiency cause you always run behind Jaren 🤣

[amber jetty]

Yes it’s the 5 star

I’ll run Ikora The hidden 5 star

[fiery marsh]

Well im a jolder main so probably running cordons with her. Right now my partridge sky is hitting 2.2 mil in damage on a heavy slash.

Prudent counter is op on partridge

My goal atm is to hopefully be able to pop spread and impact shinkas in 1 hit

[golden spade]

So prudent counter is the play on her? I tried her jolder and then jaren

I did better with Jaren, but also I don't play jolder a lot

[fiery marsh]

Burkey told me to try it out

Adds about another 200k in dmg on partridge

Cause the theres a ton of shrapnel

Making do the same effect as the shotguns atm

Here's a demo on her potential dmg with prudent counter

Shows 27 mil in 20 seconds. But the 120% bonus scaling based on missing health on partridge sky isnt in effect

Cause the damage scaling for partridge would hit from base of 2.2 mil to 4.84 mil scaled from missing health in a real scenario

In other words, jolder does pretty good during boss phase which why I use this damage rotation in expanse

[golden spade]

Bro, honestly ure dps videos and builds are awesome. Really appreciated. I saw ure other videos on Estella

Thanks

[fiery marsh]

U mean my cursed estela build?

Radiation estela op!!

I only posted this to rage bait estela mains cause it shouldn't be doing this much dmg xD

[golden spade]

U had many ones over the last 2 months. U always post them..... I remember (I think 🤔)

[fiery marsh]

Yee

Im always trying whacky things ngl

But maybe radiation Will make gallows more viable vs spread shinkas in 10+ cordons

So we dont need to dump an entire mag just to pop it

[fiery marsh]

Noice!! My estela is sitting at around 12450 power atm

[golden spade]

I ran her in rapid expanse and i didn't do well. Then i tried my efrideet and was able to clear

I like heir apparent for the sheild but i got deleted at stage 50 last week

I really enjoy her but Efrideet is a monster

[fiery marsh]

Well u only get like 1000 pvershield

U need nourishing pact + ring of conversion to make her tankier

[golden spade]

Hmmm.

[golden spade]

Ring of conversation in the second slot.... need to farm again or check if i have one

[fiery marsh]

Because fully ramped up heir doesnt give much overshield... thats why u need ring of conversion

[golden spade]

Ahhh! Ok. Thank you so much

[fiery marsh]

Wait thats the wrong vid

[golden spade]

For builds i just see the leaderboards and don't think much of it

[fiery marsh]

This one has the 8100 overshield

And look at slot 3 safeguard8ng blazaar

[golden spade]

Legend! With safe guarding blazer would u say this the best overshield survivability build for Estella?

[fiery marsh]

Pretty much yeah.. it outputs a little less dmg than radiation but makes up for it with extra overshield

[polar summit]

Damn so lucky, that’s bis on efrideet as well

[sharp talon]

just want cabal armor piercing on my trench sight 😭

game gave me a duplicate 28% close ranged again

[fiery marsh]

Its ok buddy 🙂

[dusty spire]

Ok doing my cc arc test build and he’s aight

Single target is ok in arc but better with single target hero

[polar summit]

And calming token for Jaren

[dusty spire]

Feels more like lmg / hgl

[fiery marsh]

So on a single target about 10 mil dmg in 5 shots

[dusty spire]

13-16 mil

Double that if you have super energy stored for a 10 shot

[fiery marsh]

But gotta wait another minute for super b4 getting another 5 buffed shots

[dusty spire]

It works if you have a team with direct damage and you deal with hitting boss and everything around get a echo

[fiery marsh]

Yee truebeans

[thorny obsidian]

Also, tornado seem to not work most of the time when you cast if of a ledge or floor that’s higher then the floor an enemy is on

[dusty spire]

It’s like a circle around you

So long that touches you’ll push them directly in front

[oblique geyser]

Can test grenade on shinka?

[dusty spire]

When you hold it should show but it don’t

[oblique geyser]

Normal mob os around 1.5 mil but shinka must be huge ?

[dusty spire]

I could probably be stupid numbers

Yeah definitely lol

[oblique geyser]

I want to see compared to ikora👍

[dusty spire]

Sure give me a mo

[fiery marsh]

I saw some guys tried tariq in cordons 10+ and it took entire mag or 2 to pop the spread x.x

But they didn't run smart bombs

[dusty spire]

Yeah I play a lot of Maru that’s my bae so I’ve had time to learn blast ect

[dusty spire]

That’s insane….

1 pop with normal grenades

[bitter estuary]

balls

[fiery marsh]

Past cordons 10?

[dusty spire]

So far arc and solar tariq feel nice

[thorny obsidian]

Balls

[bitter estuary]

real

[dusty spire]

I should be at 1.5 mil hits

[fiery marsh]

Wierd my partridge hits 2.2 mil atm

And dunno why they dont pop xD

[dusty spire]

I think partridge don’t land as good

Super grenade hits one target everything echos

[fiery marsh]

Its usually after the second shot is when all of em pops

[dusty spire]

Partridge needs direct hit

[dusty spire]

Yeah sounds right