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[empty kettle]

Iron commander is basically useless

Getting half the rewards

[naive ingot]

It is without those tokens 😭

[cyan tide]

91.5k for adept means you need to have everything at 5 star

[twilit thistle]

Insert doompost context here. Ngl pinnacle was better. Need better devs. No reason to login. Game unbalanced. Lucy is rolling over and going back to sleep.

[empty kettle]

I still won't accept pinnacle energy

[grizzled sentinel]

"Oh boy i can't wait to farm artifacts in chaos today let's see what modifiers there are today"
Cue 10 hours dodge spam session on umeko

[signal spade]

Pinnacle was better is a cooked take

I too enjoyed doing 6 stages of chaos and logging out each day

Very engaging loop we had

[cyan tide]

Lol yeah, the game was boring when you could only play for like 10 mins per day

[signal spade]

Also I got more 5 stars in 12 levels today than I got in 1200 on Saturday

So if chaos had to be harder for that to happen it's worth it

[cyan tide]

I did 600 stages yesterday and only got like 5 total

[signal spade]

Yea I got 3 in 12 just now

I got like two in 1k over the weekend

[empty kettle]

They could have executed the zero pinnacle energy stuff better tbh, without difficulty and grind inflation

[cyan tide]

Imagine the drop rate for 5 stars increases when there's bad modifiers

[signal spade]

Lmao firmly planted if you don't mind standing still is a crazy buff

[cyan tide]

Definitely, there's still some stuff they need to tweak

[signal spade]

Grind inflation is literally giving you something to work toward each week

[cyan tide]

I always forget to stand still, firmly planted is my nemesis

[signal spade]

I don't get the people who want the whole game to be strikes difficulty

With like all maxed out weapons

[vast arch]

I don't think it was the phase change. I got 5 out of 14 yesterday

[empty kettle]

But it shouldn't make the grind miserable like a local coal miner with zero gear and safety

[signal spade]

It was definitely the phase change it's raining 5 star weapons today comparatively

[sullen depot]

the grind inflation is a good idea but the inflation itself needs to be tweaked imo. its a rly big jump. especiallywhen u think about needing to grind LC campaign to max out an exotic

[signal spade]

The only bad part of the game RN is the stupid currency to tier up exotic weapons

[vast arch]

Inflation on Iron Commander makes 0 sense

[signal spade]

Everything else is like play the game get loot

[sullen depot]

yeah this as well

[cyan tide]

LCs are a lot easier this week tbh, there's some easy combo

[empty kettle]

They honestly shouldn't touch that one to much

[sullen depot]

oh yeah this week its easy. but just imagine a week when the stars didnt align

[twilit thistle]

Inflation of everything but mythic shards

[obtuse chasm]

I think this is the first time I’ve been against something in the update

I don’t think adept mods should be locked behind weeklies I’m fine with the 2% tho

[cyan tide]

They need to drop the adept requirements for max rewards to like 87.5k, make it the same as the emanare requirements

[vast arch]

I missed out on a weeks worth of farming and I feel like I am way behind everyone else. I've got 1 character over 100k with all 5 star artifacts. I have like 3-4 others with 1-2 5 stars

[bitter estuary]

i’ve been against the update since 2nd week after laucnh, i liked a lot of stuff but at the same time it’s a pain in the back

i wanna love the update but eh idk

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[twilit thistle]

Ur ahead of me

[bitter estuary]

i didnt even touch chaos unless it had spike shell

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I’m fine with an endless grind but locking something behind a weekly only reward seems like the whole point of taking away pinnacle was useless

[twilit thistle]

Just trying to craft some mythic weapons 😭 no bulwark to farm them with. We out here sparrow racing for slightly better times

[cyan tide]

Don't sleep on born equal

[bitter estuary]

counterargument: magic minded with ikora/estela

[obtuse chasm]

All said weapons are trash tho? I guess if you need parameters but I ain’t doing sparrow racing for 1 more mythic

Might as well be target farming whatever it is you want

[sullen depot]

they tried putting the old weapons in SG to encourage pple to play it more but that doesnt work as we have the sparrow tech. they just gotta put those batch of weapons in strikes or blitz again

[cyan tide]

Sparrow racing is a relatively easy farm, I don't think you can target farm weapons tho

[signal spade]

You can target farm in sparrow racing

[obtuse chasm]

Sg method right?

Still seems pretty useless

[signal spade]

How is target farming a gun useless lol

[twilit thistle]

Just do 100 on each cuz the loot system has weights. Don’t touch anything else btw from experience. If it shows up in your homepage, that’s prob equal to getting a 5 star

[obtuse chasm]

Unless your farming parameters but we don’t really have choice engrams anymore

[obtuse chasm]

I didn’t say that

[twilit thistle]

Resets daily

[signal spade]

What is useless then

You get like triple the drops of the gun you want in sparrow racing plus parameters in like half the time

[bitter estuary]

i wish you can get the new guns in sparrow racing :/

[signal spade]

Get new guns in morgrans it's faster anyway

[twilit thistle]

I wonder if legacy drops the strike guns

[signal spade]

It does.

[bitter estuary]

or legacy yeah

[obtuse chasm]

The weapons from sg are horrible except maybe 1-2, only other reason would be parameters seeing as you can use them to get engrams but we don’t have many choice engrams anymore so at that point your just wasting more time when you could just be target farming newer weaps

[signal spade]

Just do Morgran's for new guns

Every character can only use one mythic weapon at a time and there are like 3 good weapons in that pool lol

[obtuse chasm]

3 mid weapons that are just off meta picks

Why target farm mid mythics

[signal spade]

Jarens shotgun and the heavy gl are not mid off meta picks lol

[cursive depot]

crota pulse and solar shotty are bis

[obtuse chasm]

Hence why I said 1-2

[signal spade]

Nor is the arc gl for ikora

[cursive depot]

but you can still farm them for adepts

[obtuse chasm]

Arc lgl is not bis

[twilit thistle]

I need to test cordon cuz I think an S score was dropping ur wishlist 100% of the time

[glass parrot]

Hey, I was just wondering, was the whole "Free Efrideet" thing the 40 crystals? Its ok if thats the case, I just know if I get a choice i'm taking Helhest for obvious reasons 😄

[signal spade]

It is if you need arc on ikora lmao

[obtuse chasm]

Maybe for expanse, but still a mid weapon to target farm when they could be spending it farming the new lgl’s

[vast arch]

Yeah you can unlock the character using 40 elemental condensate, either universal, hero specific or a combination of both

[signal spade]

Just farm all of them I don't get the argument

[obtuse chasm]

If a weapon has one niche purpose then its mid

[robust sequoia]

If it was, it was bait and switch—cause those 40 crystals are locked behind quests that require Efrideet…

[vast arch]

So you can choose between Efrideet or Helhest unless you have enough for both

[signal spade]

If you're target farming you're target farming

[cursive depot]

if its the fastest method then why is that not a good thing?

[glass parrot]

Alright, sounding like pull Efrideet and choose Helhest. all good

[signal spade]

The slot machine of the leftover rolls in each playlist isn't worth thinking about

[sullen depot]

u dont have to do the efrideet quest to get the 40. there will be more than enough quests given out to complete the rewards

[glass parrot]

Yeah I remember hearing you don't need every single phase III objective done

[obtuse chasm]

Because they could be target farming a bis weapon compared to a niche weapon with limited use?

[signal spade]

You don't

[cursive depot]

not every gun from that method needs to be usefull in order for the method to be useful

[robust sequoia]

Thought you need 100% completion in 3/4 sections—she’s in 2/4 sections?

[cursive depot]

I just stated 2 that are bis

[vast arch]

I'm not sure since I haven't done the math but there is a very slight chance you might be able to get enough for both

[obtuse chasm]

I guess that’s a good point

[glass parrot]

Though yeah it made me sad to just lock me out of the quest... right after she threw me 50ft

[cursive depot]

so thats the best method for those 2 no?

[signal spade]

Are you really arguing you could farm a different weapon somewhere else as a reason to not farm a different weapon somewhere else lol

[obtuse chasm]

And I also stated that there are 2 weaps worth farming?

[wide dagger]

So whats the max power now ?

[sullen depot]

that is correct but in total the there will be more than enough quests given out to get the 100% as netease stated

[signal spade]

Like don't farm the jaren shotgun if you're gonna farm a jezibaba

[empty kettle]

100k+

[cursive depot]

yes, so that method is not useless for those 2 guns no?

[vast arch]

What are we arguing about so I can join in

[wide dagger]

be more specific

[sullen depot]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[empty kettle]

How should I know

[bitter estuary]

110k+ i think

maybe closer to 120k

[obtuse chasm]

Sure bud sure

Keep farming sparrow racing

[wide dagger]

Damn dang Dong dats a looot

[signal spade]

If you want the jaren shotgun you will farm sparrow racing lmao

If you want the jezibaba you will farm morgrans

[cursive depot]

-_- your argument is just farm a different activity, if the method doesnt affect the characters you play then why do you care?

[bitter estuary]

mythic parameters are better in sparrow racing, though

you can get 50~70 parameters per run there

[glass parrot]

Maybe? I am restricted as a returning player so my powers not up at all right now, i'm tight on playing high end content for now

[obtuse chasm]

Almost like I said it was only worth farming for 1-2 weaps…

[sullen depot]

the idea of the loot in SG makes sense. but netease just needs to realize pple would rather do the sparrow tech than to do SG. they just need to put the loot back in strikes/blitz

[vast arch]

Definitely get who you want then

[signal spade]

If you're targeting weapons every playlist is equally good rn ?

[cursive depot]

just a different game mode in order to target farm

[obtuse chasm]

That wasn’t my argument… my argument was that it’s not the best mythic farm, it’s the best farm for 1-2 weaps

But people are misleading with how they referring to it

[signal spade]

Nothing is a good farm if the loot you want isn't in the pool

LMAO

[glass parrot]

Yeah, I like her. I like Jaren so I can't go wrong at all

[signal spade]

Legendary campaign is useless it doesn't drop artifacts

[cursive depot]

you said it was useless when flame was talking about target farming

[vast arch]

just sayin... #💭│main-chat message

[obtuse chasm]

.

@cursive depot “except maybe 1-2”

I forgot destiny players can’t read

I think you and flame should find a room atp tbh

[bitter estuary]

and flame said that for the rest, you can just grind it on morgrans, so?

strikes/blitz are slow as hell

[cursive depot]

the end point was "your just wasting more time when you could just be target farming newer weaps" when that doesnt matter when there are weapons worth target farming there tho

[bitter estuary]

once you complete weekly its redundant

[obtuse chasm]

And I never said that wasn’t the case?

[signal spade]

This is ragebait

[obtuse chasm]

But feel free to ping where I did

[obtuse chasm]

It genuinely isn’t, yall are just turning this into something it wasn’t

[cursive depot]

just saying you are prioritizing newer as better when that isnt the case for everything

[bitter estuary]

ok fair, but your argument that all the playlists are equally as good in drops is just wrong, you’re not gonna consistently cancel matchmaking until you get a quicker strike/blitz so you can get more loot per hour

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/palomitas-eating-popcorn-popcorn-eat-chill-gif-17592961

[obtuse chasm]

Again “except 1-2” implies that there are 1-2 good weaps from it, never did I imply they were all bad and you should only use new weaps

[signal spade]

Back to uselessness sadge

[obtuse chasm]

What point does this prove?

But I’m the one ragebaiting

[signal spade]

I'm showing the fruits of my useless sparrow racing

[bitter estuary]

1~2 per foundry or 1~2 within the entire lootpool?

[signal spade]

For useless magoichi and useless arc gl and useless thermoplyae

[obtuse chasm]

1-2 in the loot pool for sg

[bitter estuary]

yeah you’re ragebaiting

its per foundry, literally only half of them are mediocre at best or slightly better than average

[signal spade]

There's like 5 or more weapons in shifting gates you'll want for expanse and cordon depending on shields

[obtuse chasm]

Thermo, sword, and fang

That’s literally it

[cursive depot]

song

[bitter estuary]

fang of ir yut is not good

yeah ragebaiting

[obtuse chasm]

My oversoul

My bad*

I’m only saying it’s good tho since sloth said it was

[cursive depot]

song is the best arc lmg

[bitter estuary]

3/4 crota weapons are good only fang that is wack

[obtuse chasm]

I know, I just took a quick look at the loot pool to double check

[bitter estuary]

“thunderlord is better” have people tested the new perk upgrades on the song

i think song is really good yeah

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/crota-destiny-crotas-end-spawn-epic-gif-24018797

[cursive depot]

ok mythic

is what I meant

[bitter estuary]

new hyperanemia perk upgrade makes it nicer to use imo yeah

[grizzled sentinel]

Enlighten my plates and my swords

[obtuse chasm]

@signal spade I don’t know how many times yall are going to use my own words against me

[obtuse chasm]

“For expanse”

[bitter estuary]

ok i hope this clears out the whole sparrow racing lootpool is wack except a few argument

[vast arch]

Ok so everyone wants different weapons for differenty activities and we have different ways of farming them. Why are we arguing about that?

[signal spade]

Who knows

[obtuse chasm]

All I said was that I wasn’t going to

[signal spade]

We only care about what weapons kill the practice range servitor fastest standing still

That guy's tough

[obtuse chasm]

.

[obtuse chasm]

Again… I’m the one ragebaiting

[vast arch]

That's fine, to each their own

[signal spade]

I'm not rage baiting you like took expanse out of the argument so idk what your bis list is predicated on

It has to be standing still dps in the practice range at that point

[bitter estuary]

expanse as an argument is quite odd because every 10 stages the element changes so that kinda forces people to run the same element as said stage

[signal spade]

Yea I mean I can do void piercing as efrideet with the solar sniper but I'd rather just get a good magoichi and make it easier

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah all I do is sit in practice range

[signal spade]

Which bow is bis when there are void shields lol

[obtuse chasm]

All I do is kill servitors all day

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/bogiesmalls-gif-860452889982698652

[signal spade]

Who said either of those things I asked what your bis list was predicated on LOL

[obtuse chasm]

.

[signal spade]

Yea the bis list decision making

Because idk why you wouldn't want an arc lgl for arc expanse or arc spread in cordon

[obtuse chasm]

But I never said that’s what my deciding factor is for bis, you did

[signal spade]

Yea so what is it lol

[obtuse chasm]

Hellhest

[signal spade]

.

[obtuse chasm]

Oh my bad, thought I’d ragebait a little myself

Seeing as you’ve been doing it this entire time

I’m over this conversation

[signal spade]

Kk I'll go back to sparrow racing for bis weapons

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-tea-sipping-gif-24277205

[signal spade]

I need the auto loading upgrade on the hgl

Elusive

Is iron commander using your boosted loot

Isn't that kinda cooked since the drops are better in iron commander than the actual adept strike

[sullen depot]

it does use the boosted loot

[signal spade]

It's probably not worth minmaxing since those mods will eventually just drop on their own

[bitter estuary]

true

[sullen depot]

the adept mod thing is not in loot pool in iron commander tho

not sure if thats intended

[signal spade]

It is though

[sullen depot]

lol well soemthing is broken

[signal spade]

If you hit a 2x you win the lottery

That's weird unless you're out of weekly drops already

Or didn't run one on your own yet

[sullen depot]

aaah. that might be it then

i didnt check how it looked before doing weeklies

[signal spade]

I guess I'll dump my iron commander currency before I run more in case I hit the jackpot

Bruh

[sullen depot]

yeah iron commaner is cooked

the power increase makes no sense

[signal spade]

Its because the loot is better

So they don't want you to like use it that way

[cyan tide]

91.5k is excessive tho, that's everything maxed out

[sullen depot]

91.5k is too much still.

[signal spade]

Well the base loot is the same as if you ran a strike right now

The 915 gets you better loot than running the strike

So I kinda get it

[empty kettle]

Imagine if they increase that again

[sullen depot]

yeah but u run a strike with 1 char manually. they cant assume u have 91.5k on everyone tho

[signal spade]

Yea but thats like bonus goals

Cause eventually you could presumably just do all your weekly dump in there for double rewards vs actually playing

[cyan tide]

Iron commander doesn't use weekly attempts

[vast arch]

You spend this week getting characters up to power and then it goes up again next week and you're back at square one

[sullen depot]

still excessive imo. u shouulndt be required to have multiple fully maxed characters to run iron commander

[signal spade]

It does use them

My count dropped after I sent it out

And you're not required to do anything you can send low levels out and not get double loot

[empty kettle]

Yep, because that will leave us dry with resources for the next character's

[cyan tide]

There's nothing else to increase, the hard cap for base power seems to be 92-93k

[sullen depot]

they could have like a leader system. minimum 1 char is 91.5k

[signal spade]

It's better than playing the game

It like has to be gated tbh

You can't get a double mod piece drop from doing a strike

But that menu can

And by next week you prob will have enough characters to send one out every day of the week tbh it also lets one get emanare boost

[vast arch]

It is gated, you can only buy so many attempts per week

[signal spade]

So you only need 2 juicers

Yea so jst save your attempts for like next week or end of this week

Idk if I like that it's counting against your weekly cause it makes you not want to play kinda

But I don't think it's bad the cap is that high since it's kinda op

[modern seal]

Who would be best for impact 40-50, Jaren with void shotgun?

[sullen depot]

imo i think they should just change it to a leader system still. 1 char being 91.5k and then 3 char combined for 260k like it currently is

[cyan tide]

It's still dumb, it's already limited to 3 per week so the thing about it being better than running strikes/blitz is irrelevant. 91.5k means you have to completely max out 2 characters and that's a lot of resources that you might want to use to get another character endgame ready

[signal spade]

What's limited to three per week

[river vigil]

I didnt get any of the adept mod materials from my 20 claims, guess I have to wait until next week

[cyan tide]

Iron commander, you can only get 3 tickets from the season shop per week

[signal spade]

Oh yea but then you only need two max characters ever

So is that really that insane?

[sullen depot]

u need 3 max char actually

[signal spade]

Two and an emanare user

[cyan tide]

Yes, idk about you but sending one expedition at a time sounds annoying

[signal spade]

Yea but it's double loot

[neon pebble]

Sending expiditions is annoying, just grind now

[signal spade]

Like I get the I want it mindset I'm just saying you like are essentially getting better loot than actually playing

So it being like somewhat not convenient isn't that strange

[sullen depot]

nah i beg to differ. even if its double the loot. being forced to send one at a time expeditions for a max of 3 times a day cuz of char energy is pointless. iron commander is limited anyways so why cant i just do it all at once

[signal spade]

You can you just gotta get a zooted roster in a couple weeks

[sullen depot]

and thats a bad logic imo. even worse time gating

[empty kettle]

More than a couple of weeks tbh

[sullen depot]

season already past the half way point by then

seems illogical

like i am not saying time gating is bad. it make sense. but the power jump def needs to be looked at and tweaked

[signal spade]

Yea idk can't I just swap all of my artifacts real quick and send them out again

I'm pretty sure I can now that I think about it

Which I'll agree it's dumb if you can just game it

Let's see

[sullen depot]

and thats tedious. "oh you wanna run iron commander on this char, well u gotta swap all ur artifacts over.' thats just a bad game design

they should just make emanare available for everyone since its already available on ur deployed char

[cyan tide]

It's not double loot, it's a 10% chance to get extra rewards

[sullen depot]

that solves the issue

[signal spade]

Ya that's prob true in hindsight I should upgraded an lfr next so I can send hh attal and kabr out

[cyan tide]

Or just lower the requirements to like 89k, that's way more doable

[signal spade]

Yea ok the systems cringe I digress

[sullen depot]

exactly. they are essentially making u spend resources u might not want to spend yet just to do iron commander

[signal spade]

But it's still just saving you the time of running one strike

So it's not like some game changing progress defining thing

Just a nuisance

Should have just made it like alpha where it was free and you just sent 3 teams out a day

[oblique geyser]

If you have a t6 ikora it shreds.. i did from 40 to 70 with her

[modern seal]

Only have her at T3, every other 5* is at max T2

[oblique geyser]

If you can pull some good dmg, im pretty sure 50 is more than doable even at t2 👍

Truth doing decent dmg to impact shinkas tbh

[modern seal]

What do you think the lowest power you should reasonably be at to attempt?

[signal spade]

Is ascendancy giving power

[sullen depot]

A1 gives 600 power. but the others dont

[signal spade]

Hm that's kinda silly

[sullen depot]

not sure if intended tho as makes no sense for it to

[signal spade]

I don't wanna send any crystals til the next character comes out so I can just get them off the rip

Went to pity too many times on efrideet screw that

[oblique geyser]

Im sure i had +600 on HH. Efri and edtella but i didnt get +600 on Ikora..

[sullen depot]

yeah i have heard others say the same. thats why i think its buggy and not intended

[vast arch]

That's actually really lame and I hope that was oversight and not intended

[oblique geyser]

Y.. even on relic abilities page, HH and estella are at 16800 whereas other are at 16200

[sullen depot]

yeah ascended char have 16800 relic ability score it seems. so the power goes there

[vast arch]

Because then we are back to paying for power which was removed when they removed power increase from talents before global launch

[sullen depot]

so ur A1 ikora sitll shows 16200?

[oblique geyser]

Well efri and ikora are still 16200 sadly

[sullen depot]

yeah it def is buggy

and not intended

[neon sparrow]

Guys i think my account have a problem i make 23 bounties missions and i never receiv Mobius kluster i try too morgans pray and nothing why?

[oblique geyser]

Gonna double check when i come back home but i upgraded her this morning and she was 16200 for sure

I evn though we had to wait for a weekly reset or something like that lol

[sweet urchin]

Don't want to force it, but if someone know ?

[oblique geyser]

I wouldnt blindly follow build recommandation to be honest

[upbeat forge]

Yo

[oblique geyser]

Rampaging pact for example isnt recommended on efrideet or ikora but its actually bis

[sullen depot]

Yeah u are right. It’s def buggy. Both characters ascended but one is 16.2k while the other is 16.8k

[sweet urchin]

I personnaly almost never follow it, but in this case, almost no one run this attribut

[sullen depot]

It 100% is an oversight (this isnt my acc btw. i was stalking)

[vast arch]

Does it have anything to do with the equipped character?

[oblique geyser]

Hmm maybe it gives +600 to the first 1 or 2 char ascended

[sullen depot]

Nope cuz then the gwyn is showing 16.8k as well

So it just works on some and doesn’t on others

[signal spade]

Prob a bug

[sullen depot]

spaghetti code back at it

[oblique geyser]

My first ascended char was HH

[signal spade]

I wonder if you could bank enough ops authorizations to max out a week of XP without doing anything

[candid phoenix]

is 91.5k base light without emanare possible? damn

[cursive depot]

my buddy only has HH ascended and isnt getting the 600 at all

was wondering if it was bugged

[sullen depot]

it is if ur char is fully maxed essentially

like better mods and all as well as 5 star artifacts and 5 star weapons

[candid phoenix]

ah right mods

[karmic chasm]

I want T6 A5 on Kabr and that’s it I think

[candid phoenix]

I've got 5 star weapons on my hel + max 5 star artifacts and she's only hitting that 90.8k

[karmic chasm]

Maybe Efri and a future character as well we’ll see

[sullen depot]

yeah the mods and the additional weapon perk upgrades (uncommon and adept) are taken into consideration for the 91.5k it seems. which is why it is crazy

[candid phoenix]

yeah lol, i have an adept 5 star mythic on

I'm missing about 300 power from thumbs up exotic mods

and maybe if i get better base stats on some of my artis i can scrape 200

[sullen depot]

yuppp. thats why the discussion is the 91.5k is way to damn high for iron comander

the power increase between phases in general needs to be tweaked

[languid thicket]

You now what, im just gonna not phase up for now

[hidden carbon]

Yea I already advised the friends who are catching up to not phase up yet

[karmic chasm]

I didn’t realize that it increased power requirements on certain activities lol

I’m fine now but I’m not phasing up again until I’m ahead

[hidden carbon]

All the chaos bosses are just turning into bullet sponges

[drowsy cypress]

yes

[karmic chasm]

Is this week phase 5? I can’t remember.

[sullen depot]

Yup phase 5

[inner sinew]

yes

[karmic chasm]

I am gonna need to catch up before I do anything

Gonna stay phase 4 while I grab more artifacts

I need my Efri to be up there at least so I can grind

[frozen nimbus]

Anyone done the 5 min raid stage 3 season quest? 😄

[karmic chasm]

Also this stupid game should hurry up and hand me T4

[timber stag]

What’s the difference between 5 star and 4 star Kabr? Is 5 star simply better?

[inner sinew]

different gameplay-wise, uses different weapons, and yes, 5-star is better

[karmic chasm]

That will be the same case but even more true for 5 star Ikora, except the part about different weapons. Both Ikoras use the same weapons.

[timber stag]

🤔

[twilit thistle]

All I heard was “don’t upgrade to lvl 5”. 💀

My EMEA alt was showing completely different and far lower recommended power for the activities

[empty kettle]

I'm not moving to the next phase (next week)

[twilit thistle]

🤷🏼‍♀️ she kinda roasts everything on adept 3 lc atm. Imagine if @indigo solar did this, as I am half awake and not good on mobile

[river vigil]

I'm still going to instantly upgrade my phases but it would be nice if we could see the actual advantages to upgrading past 5 on the phase upgrade screen

[vast arch]

Lowkey wish I didn’t upgrade just yet

[river vigil]

I like that it feels like im getting 5 star artifacts more often but thag could just be placebo

[vast arch]

Unless there is some hidden boost to 5 star drop rates there is little point in going past phase 4-5 rn. Phase 5 allows you to upgrade artifacts to max but that’s about it. All of the reward increases are ~1% or less

[cursive depot]

Is the reward level not what boosts those odds?

Every week it’s been going up by 1 level

Doubt it’s that much different from 4-5 but should be noticeable later on

[vast arch]

Chaos exotic artifact goes from 32.7% to 33.0% on Adept

Level 10 rewards are 34.5%

But we don't know if the higher reward level or higher phases increast the 5 star drop chance

[misty spindle]

I had 13 choice exotics engrams, got 6 5 stars out of them all

[modern seal]

Is there recommended gifts to take when doing impact 40-50 (cleave)?

[cursive depot]

Ahh so all we know is it raises the percentage

[vast arch]

yep

[signal spade]

Cleave the one that makes it longer range and do more damage is good

Same with the lacerate I think that amps damage

[vast arch]

Mythic Weapon Highest Power: 14,080

Base Power: 4700
Maxed Perks: 3320
Mod Upgrades: 4560
Star Tier Upgrade: 1500

Exotic Weapon Highest Power: 15,730

does that look right? Assumes max upgrades on everything and best possible non-adept mod rolls

[signal spade]

Max gun is 14080

[vast arch]

Can you show the breakdown please? ? icon next to power

[cursive depot]

Can be higher with the one adept mod

like 200ish power

[keen relic]

can someone explain meta now im so confused stopped playing after jarens release

[vast arch]

With all level 90 5 star artifacts + Adept weapon with Max roll mods + Max Exotic my Ning Fei barely gets to 91,710 Power.
That's 210 power over the minimum requirement for max Iron Commander rewards.

[keen relic]

wooow what!?

highest char rn is 75k was the highest before i left :-;

[vast arch]

Adept only giving a chance at adept mod mats is pretty funny ngl

[bold fog]

is there a point to iron commander anymore? you can't run as many missions and they're already free in normal runs

[cyan tide]

Easy loot

[cyan tide]

Do we know what's the power cap for artifacts with max base score? I'm assuming it's something like 5k per piece

[vast arch]

I think it's 4500

[cyan tide]

Are you sure? I have some pieces at 4400 and they're not close to having max base score

[vast arch]

each point give +10 power

[cyan tide]

Ah, so it's only 10 per point

Then 93k is probably not possible, I think the base power cap is somewhere around 92k

[rotund raptor]

Yo for efrifet for 3rd arti is prepondent plasma or couraegous planetarism better

[cyan tide]

Rampaging pact

[vast arch]

Max Artifact Power: 33,280

Gear Level: 3600
Attribute Score: 7200
Attribute Perk Level: 2080
Artifact Perk Level: 6000
Star Tier: 7200
Artifact Tier: 7200
-# someone check my math plz

[rotund raptor]

I cant do the rampaging pact playstyle

[cyan tide]

It's the same, just space out your spears a bit

[vast arch]

By my calculations the highest achievable base power is 92,290
Character: 13,000
Weapons: 29,810
Artifacts: 33,280
Relic: 16,200

[late thistle]

?

[cursive depot]

is this assuming the 16,800 relic is a bug with ascend?

[cyan tide]

Seems about right, I wonder if adept mods will give more power

[vast arch]

no, 16200 relic. I have no ascended characters

[twilit thistle]

Wonder if it retroactively checks the rewards im not claiming to be from when i was only lvl 4

[vast arch]

yes since adept mods goes up to 1720, which is 200 more than base exotic

[karmic chasm]

So is ascension supposed to give power or not

I’m kinda lost

[thorny frost]

I was disappointed with seeing the rewards this morning. I figured the 2% was the farmable amount as it is the % for iron commander.

[cyan tide]

So 93k still won't be possible

[vast arch]

If you have an adept mod and a bugged relic at 16,800 then 93k is possible

93,090

[sharp talon]

my jaren is at 16,800 relic how is it bugged?

[karmic chasm]

Hate this, this is evil, this is dumb, Netease should genuinely get hit by an air strike (made of foam NERF rockets for legal reasons)

[sharp talon]

i mean therer are no power leaderboards anymore

[vast arch]

some ascended characters have +600 relic while others do not

[thorny frost]

Is this including the supposed 600 from the first time you ascend a unit? (Basing off of discord I haven’t been able to test yet).

[cursive depot]

some people with the first ascension dont have 16800, just the 16200

[thorny frost]

O I was a little slow on my question

[twilit thistle]

yes. remember two of my accounts were wrecked for this change.

[karmic chasm]

Well even if there were I’d only be working on Rossi so no ascension

[cyan tide]

I think it's fair to assume that the power from ascension isn't intended

[sharp talon]

ye i dont think it matters tho

[vast arch]

No, that is for non-ascended. We don't know if ascension giving power is intended

[cursive depot]

we are just bringing it up since Don was trying to figure out overall endpoint in power without emanare

[karmic chasm]

I agree but why is it even programmed in then?

[cyan tide]

Spaghetti code, probably a remnant from an earlier version or something. Talents used to give power in the beta iirc so they were probably testing something like that

[karmic chasm]

Mfw my fav game is garbage

https://tenor.com/view/cat-obese-ayo-chill-tf-out-yo-meme-eye-of-rah-gif-8941207415813895715

[sharp talon]

they did so much with s4 im surprised it wasnt more buggy

[karmic chasm]

True

[cyan tide]

There's probably only like 3 people working on this game bro, give them a break 💀

[karmic chasm]

I could do better (I’ve never written a line of code in my 23 and a half years)

[cyan tide]

Gamers when a random dude comes up with the most dog water idea possible: "Devs, hire this man"

[twilit thistle]

POV: 2 of the 3 devs

[cyan tide]

That's the CEO, get it right

[oblique geyser]

wtf is going on with cordon +20 record 🧐

[cursive depot]

?

level doesnt change at all so now they are overlevel

[sharp talon]

gwynn is op on 26

[oblique geyser]

It doesnt scale up?

[cursive depot]

it might health wise by a bit

but its 104k light and doesnt seem to be changing

[oblique geyser]

Is that a bug with her ?

[cursive depot]

Prob just there to break impacts and that’s it

[cyan tide]

More so to break shields I assume

[oblique geyser]

Maybe level doesnt scale after +11 i guess then

Or just by a few % as you said @cursive depot

[sharp talon]

enemies scale but light reqruirement does not

[sharp talon]

no

we trolling

[cyan tide]

Gwynn feels pretty nice after the changes ngl, with the impact mod that reloads rounds when you take damage you don't need to rely on concerto stacks as much

[twilit thistle]

@vast arch i need u to run the last raid with me 🥺

[empty kettle]

You gave me a build idea that may or may not be useless on the beekeeper

[vast arch]

Yeah which encounters?

[spring scaffold]

Which Estela artifacts are going to be best for DPS? I'm torn between the Summon Specialist set and the Firmly Planted set.

[twilit thistle]

#1490485560798613554

[twilit thistle]

just the last one for the triumph

[modern seal]

Whoever designed impact 46 was evil, that was so miserable lol

[elder wing]

Efrideet does wonders

[twilit thistle]

lmk next time and i can probably tell u how to beat it. They always have a spot you can cheese it in. Always.

[vagrant veldt]

Are any later tiers of the expanse repeatable for rewards, or is the only drop source of the rainbow orbs for upgrading artifact stars the first-time completion rewards?

[sharp talon]

bruh lol

[elder wing]

I smell 90 after this

[cyan tide]

114k recommended power is insane

[modern seal]

Hopefully there won’t be a next time, about to do the final boss (50) at around 10k power under (101k) so we’ll see how awful it is

[modern seal]

In impact?

[elder wing]

Just like before: max power 76k recommended 70/71K

[elder wing]

Yuuup

[modern seal]

What would you even use, borealis?

[elder wing]

Borealis?? Nah lol Crimson and void mythic

[cyan tide]

We can't even reach that high yet, I wonder how much total power emanare is going to give if they're okay with letting expanse scale that high

[elder wing]

It all adds up with maxed weapons and all the upgrades

[cyan tide]

I know, the current cap with emanare is 106k

[elder wing]

That can’t be right….

[celest robin]

They really need to add some cause if not I may have mistakenly capped my ability to progress high levels by using them on a wide range of artifacts.

Or I suppose forced myself into a mandatory grind for rare 5/5 drops

[vast arch]

@west grail I'm only going to say this once, do not bypass our filters to use profanity please

[celest robin]

Level 40 is 103220, that’s not right

[celest robin]

Can I bypass the filters to tell you you’re handsome?

[west grail]

then why is mine saying 107k is it a bug?

[celest robin]

Have a Screenshot?

[signal spade]

After 70 you stop getting leaves

Everything after to them is probably just flex

[cyan tide]

I think you need to clear 80 for the gilded title

[celest robin]

The leave?😞

[west grail]

ngl i rage quit, since big mad

[signal spade]

Nah just 70 for gild

[celest robin]

Prob a visual bug

[west grail]

i hope so, idont want to login again and see 107k for expa37, since taht doesnt make sense

[cursive depot]

nah just need 70

[celest robin]

I just double checked on mine, its not actually the level so it shouldn’t actually be that power level even if it mistakenly shows it

[west grail]

alright thankyou

[cyan tide]

Later floors scale higher, floor 40 starts at 103k and the boss room is 110k

And then floor 50 starts at 106k

[vast arch]

W

[stark forge]

i want to hunt for new lights so bad now

[vast arch]

why?

[stark forge]

im out of mentor coins to buy data lattice 💀

[cursive depot]

strikes you go then

[modern seal]

If I clear stage 60 right now, will I automatically be good for seasonal breakout in 2 weeks, or will I have to re-clear?

[elder wing]

You should be good

[modern seal]

cool, it was insane how much easier expanse 50-60 was than 40-50 simply because it was solar to make shields a joke for jaren

[elder wing]

Yessiir good stuff man. Remember is not a time base but finish the stages performance thing

[surreal kettle]

Soooooooooo i dont have a lot of character with impact weapon (xing, finnala and jolder) and dont ask me why but 1rst time i try using jaren just didnt like him that much, maybe i should reconsider it and pull him when he come back in around 7-8 month or not, anyway the thing is there is gwyn that I can pull, should i pull her T0 ? (F2P btw) or should i perhaps lvl up xing for impact activities ? (tired of sword being bad)

[obtuse chasm]

I genuinely feel like this dropped my dps when I threw it on but that may have just been in firing range

[heavy jewel]

does anyone know if preponderant plasma works on wolf's flame projectile?

or is it just for the initial proc

[obtuse chasm]

I mean what level are you trying to push

[vast arch]

I think it is each time you apply the debuff

[heavy jewel]

sad

[twilit thistle]

Im rich

[heavy jewel]

is there a way to enable seeing artifact buff icons?

[surreal kettle]

no just for the weekly and maybe to do the impact activity (shinkah) and yeah possibly to do high lvl activity too

[obtuse chasm]

For cordon? A t0 Gwynn won’t do much, what server are you on I can carry you to 8 real quick

Damn you’re emea nvm

Maybe I’m just misunderstanding what you mean by weekly tho

[surreal kettle]

legendary campaign and yeah possibly doing the cordon and other stuff do in the future

enamare almost 10k

[obtuse chasm]

Just get t1 efrideet and you’ll be alright

[heavy jewel]

i think it does? work? im a little unsure since my crit damage on my AR went from 1726 to 2216 while the burn was on, then stayed at 2046 for a bit after the burn wore off

[surreal kettle]

i already get good piercing character (tan et kabr) is she really a step up like HH ?

compared to them

[obtuse chasm]

Kabr is dog water and yes efrideet is up there

[heavy jewel]

she's pretty broken, her weapon selection lets her cover rapid fire (crimson) and piercing

[obtuse chasm]

You can cheese pretty much any shinka tbh

[vast arch]

Make sure you are paying attention to any conflicting buffs granted by weapon perks/other abilities

[obtuse chasm]

Because of competition

[heavy jewel]

have nothing else, im running warner and double mag so warner was active for both shots + my 4 artifact is the aoe damage one

[surreal kettle]

If I really want an impact character should i pool for gwyn or should i lvl up my xing (T4 for now)?

[elder wing]

Hard to believe someone did whole Impact with her and I couldn’t do 50 with jaren lmao

[vast arch]

what perks on the gun?

[obtuse chasm]

Don’t pull for Gwynn she require a lot of grinding ($) to max

[surreal kettle]

K thnaks

[heavy jewel]

fire rush and time marches on, could be the time perk proccing?

nvm, it shows 3 damage numbers when it does proc so that cant be it

i think preponderant does work, but i need to figure out if it ticks off the burn or the applied wolf's combustion debuff

its weird, since its dealing around 1984 damage without any buffs, full mag (so no fire rush buff), then dealing around 2103 after burn, no buffs, full mag

[vast arch]

Yeah but is it stacking?

[heavy jewel]

that's what im trying to figure out rn

[surreal kettle]

Yeah got efri after 20 pull, i think i got enough until T2/T3 at most (can get lucky for pushing more you know) should i do it or T0 is fine ? At which point does Efri became really op ?

[heavy jewel]

imo t0 / t2

then t4 / t5 / t6 are all good places to stop tbh, each is a good increase to her dps

im still figuring out if i want t6 efri or not

[cobalt beacon]

t6

honestly a good rule to live by if you want to be op just get t0 of each character and save till you can t6 one you really like

if you dont care to be on leaderboards etc just get whatever your fine with

[bitter estuary]

minimum viability ≠ overpowered

t6, t2 is min for her to become viable

[vast arch]

I thought it was T1 😭

[sweet urchin]

Overall I would not pull any character more than T0 if it's not to T6 it

[bitter estuary]

lowk forgot her talents

😭

[twilit thistle]

Fun fact: frat will not work in singleplayer content, if your fireteam members are not in this content, even if they are alive.

[bitter estuary]

using data latice to upgrade riskrunner

[stark forge]

debating on using lattice for jotunn or 2 tail rn

[north phoenix]

jotunn 100 percent

[river vigil]

ngl chaos sucks today

I might just do 50 chest and go to legendary campaign

[north phoenix]

yea the modifiers are so bad, dik if estella can work or even gwynn

Im trying out Wolf (w/ smart bomb)since he benefits off of super recharge but even then its slow

[crisp leaf]

Anyone got tips on how to break through 100k on characters, I seem to be topping out at 98k and feel like I have everything maxed out

[indigo solar]

Are all of your weapons and artifacts lv90/5*?

[north phoenix]

it helps to have a 5 star artifact

[indigo solar]

And are the artifacts +45

[crisp leaf]

Nah sadly only 4* on power weapon and have maxed out gold main weapon 4*

Have 2 5 star artifacts 2 4 star at - all at max. And enamare is almost maxed out

That’s on jaren

[indigo solar]

Definitely get 5* artifacts

And your relic is maxed ofc

[bitter estuary]

i recommend getting a 5* artifact first and then transfer attribute points then the attributes themselves to it

it’d be much more resource efficient that way

[crisp leaf]

Trying to get to season lvl 5 but boss of endless the expanse is rinsing me

[bitter estuary]

then don’t, phase 5 is already wayyy harder

i think its better to just wait really

[crisp leaf]

Good to know!!

[bitter estuary]

get one or 2 characters to 85k~90k (w/o emanare added into the total power) and then get to phase 5

[indigo solar]

They've already got one at 98

[north phoenix]

anyone getting thru with adept chaos? and with which characters?

[bitter estuary]

w/o emanare added into the total power

[crisp leaf]

Yeah jaren is 99k before emanare, 98k after bonus

[bitter estuary]

oh fair

[crisp leaf]

Sorry 89k before emanare

[bitter estuary]

just go into the next phase

[indigo solar]

Emanare isn't 13k

[bitter estuary]

should be enough

[crisp leaf]

Was hoping it was but can’t get past the boss on endless expanse 🙁

[bitter estuary]

impact?

i used niaatiks

[north phoenix]

Ikora helps with spread expanse 40, much easier than rapid

[crisp leaf]

Yeah impact

[bitter estuary]

eh depends, it was easy for me because i had her at t6 so ad clear wasnt an issue at all

[bitter estuary]

what weapons do you use on him

[north phoenix]

whats he got to lose if expanse for impact is hard for him, might as well try spread. Might have better luck

[bitter estuary]

impact is easier spread no?

[north phoenix]

from my exp its harder

[cursive depot]

isnt that more on who you have leveled?

[bitter estuary]

i dont know really

[cursive depot]

idk I use Ikora for both

[bitter estuary]

i used jaren on 40

[crisp leaf]

Last word and thermopylae

[bitter estuary]

hmm weird

[crisp leaf]

Last word fully maxxed out at 4*

I might just be bad 🤷

[bitter estuary]

i fear its only you

or the artifacts

[rotund flame]

So ikora is good for impact as well? I'm struggling to find who to do that section with

[bitter estuary]

what are you running on the artifacts

[cursive depot]

I just brute forced up to 72 with her

[north phoenix]

Ngl Ikora just couldnt break down impact shinkas for me on expanse 40

[rotund flame]

Holy moly. I'm assuming she's t6 though right? Mine is only at t4 sadly

[crisp leaf]

All the perturbations

[frozen tree]

Precision expanse 40 was easy for me with Efri at 98k power

[bitter estuary]

what talents do you have on jaren

[cursive depot]

yea

[crisp leaf]

Only t1 sadly

[frozen tree]

I could probably push to 50 after some quick upgrades

[bitter estuary]

i would replace slot 4 with undaunted spiral, otherwise i dont know

[crisp leaf]

Thanks mate, will try that and press on, see if can stop being terrible haha

[frozen tree]

Emanare is starting to get exhausting though. Absolute resource drain, and an insane multi hour farm every week to get up to speed to play endgame content

[north phoenix]

On Jarens 4th slot?

[bitter estuary]

i would run unrelenting evolution on slot 2 as well

[bitter estuary]

yes, 1st and 3rd use perturbation

[north phoenix]

oh wow interesting

[vast arch]

close enough

[crisp leaf]

Right off to sleep! Really appreciate the help!

[north phoenix]

Who do you guys use for Singularity Chaos today?

[river vigil]

efrideet

[north phoenix]

damn dont have her built

[north phoenix]

is she good on todays expanse?

[bitter estuary]

umeko if there’s spike shell

[limpid hatch]

i use estele

[north phoenix]

which modifer for today

[limpid hatch]

the low hp one

[twilit thistle]

I was working on some efrideet tech earlier. She is also a viable option. You can drop the mele comet part, and replace it with electrophoresis (target red bars)

[north phoenix]

No i mean when you use estella for todays chaos modifer, which one did you pick

[limpid hatch]

oh

[twilit thistle]

Remember, not everyone is on na/latm.

They do not match. Ever. It drives me crazy.

[north phoenix]

ohh you riiight~

[twilit thistle]

Its not a day before, or a day behind. its just two different sets.

[north phoenix]

thats prob where confusion lies lol

[limpid hatch]

ah

[north phoenix]

NA screwed then lol

[limpid hatch]

unlucky

[twilit thistle]

For that just accept the loss and do the lowest lvl one. I had estela with shadow step and aoe dmg, and would run to the portal. Easy way to farm refactors.

The % you get each phase is a scam btw I havent done adept like at all. I just do the heroic one for those days bc i usually farm and study, so i cant dedicate that much attention to a single thing.

[river vigil]

wait gwynn might be back

[north phoenix]

just like the legendary mission that are adept 3 ay

[twilit thistle]

👀 i know who u are

[hard forge]

Hey, if I buy this do I get Gwen too? Or do I still need to roll for her

[oblique geyser]

didnt know iron commander counted toward weekly tries 😭

[candid phoenix]

still need to draw her

[hard forge]

Does anyone know

[hard forge]

Oh wow okay glad I didn’t

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar 😔 when can i upgrade my type 5 stratoshot srm ©

[north phoenix]

@limpid hatch I decided to try out Estella with "firmly planted" thanks to you, you sparked something amazing! Estella SMACKS with this 😄

[limpid hatch]

no problem

[bitter estuary]

@indigo solar almost there, will do a test later

[bitter estuary]

god i wished there was a way to kill more than 5 ads in training ground

dont bully me 🥺

i wish i can infinitely afk in sparrow racing

so i have like 67 million refactors so i can make all bis perks adept

speaking of which i just got tatara gaze antecendant double perk, would prolly test that out to to see how it compares to ransom stamp

maybe oversoul's edict decree, ill test next

[bitter estuary]

nvm it doesnt have a double perk

wow 2nd perk pool on tatara is wack

https://tenor.com/view/ajayii-speechless-dead-eye-i-am-done-wtf-gif-8667457579900352207

[rotund flame]

How are you supposed to do any of the 3 parts of the raid in 5 minutes? I did the last part in 6 and thought that was quick. Did they test the times?

[cursive depot]

?

need to coordinate a bit

[bitter estuary]

1st is hard because of how quick you need to do it i think the rest is easy

no way anyone cant 1 phase the boss

[river vigil]

I dont understand how randoms are still dying on the last encounter :T

I just had a run where they didnt 1 phase

[rotund flame]

Dang was hoping to be able to do it with random matchmaking. I hate achievements and challenges that need friends 😭

[bitter estuary]

taniks wont agree with you on this i fear, but i actually agree lmao

[grand panther]

How are people alr maxed on condensate accession on characters …

[bitter estuary]

whale

[grand panther]

Do yall have any guesses what the character after efrideet will be? I mean element and shinka ,

[bitter estuary]

unrelated, but i actually wanna know how bad sinful karma is

i have 3 wolfpacks with t5 perks and 2nd perk being hyperanemia

the rest being sinful karma, annihilation and conjugation

why am i testing this? i hate myself

[dusty spire]

Jolder is straight solid

[bitter estuary]

sidearm+ idk

[dusty spire]

Seriously this update has made some heroes extremely fun now

Little tweaks to the mods have made some serious results

Actually enjoy using lmg now

[bitter estuary]

impact+rapid fire lowk sounds like its a combo made from the depths of hell

i have the riskrunner built, thats worse

😂

riskrunners+stryker's sure hand is jolder bis on arc side

[river vigil]

Don't worry this time the kit will make up for it even if the weapon choices are atrocious

[dusty spire]

It’s extremely fun

[bitter estuary]

stryker has essentially infinite heavy ammo

that being said since you cant use the ammo mag buff

its useless to use riskrunner

so it's better to use kulfi+stryker

exactly

huckle+kakalik sounds wack now

wolfpack+kakalik i fear is better than the latter

balls

but but muh aoe coverage 🥺

yes

y'all will yap till the day i die

i have night after night and patridge sky built

let me breathe you balls

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982764834678509640/1494822834445353053/cirno-fumo.gif

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-running-downstairs-basement-gif-5581739371460256702

"umeko is downstairs"

me asf af:

balls

[neon pebble]

He the Hannah Montana of destiny fr

[twilit thistle]

And how does this make it better.

[bitter estuary]

Ok pack it up

[twilit thistle]

if by better u mean 100x harder

[neon pebble]

Why does attal out dps my gwynn

I use TeD to get the double dmg debuff for my 3 round rc burst

Double exotic is best build

Need vulnerabilities bonus on arti

Slot V

[bitter estuary]

but but ted+del9 ovation

[neon pebble]

Fr though gwynn is hype and does good dmg

[neon pebble]

Not using a weapon that has ovary in the name

[visual rain]

what

[neon pebble]

Cury mury has best name

[visual rain]

idk what ur trying to say but it sounds stupid so forget I asked

[cursive depot]

huh

[twilit thistle]

ikora gl is stupid. 3 grenadle launchers 3 of them with lightweight frames, 3 of them allow frat, and a +15 movement speed boost.

Litterally just different elements.

how have i cleared this?

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-bobby-will-ferrell-talladega-nights-fast-indy500-gif-4552859

[visual rain]

They finally fixed it?

[thorny frost]

It gave it to me when I cleared the third stage on normal as well

[restive shore]

just need 1 more!

[vernal zephyr]

Is this game still worth playing?

[bitter estuary]

better than division resurgance

[late thistle]

this seaon changed a lot and is great, but in my opinion the farm u need to do is toxic

[bitter estuary]

honestly between this and resurgance it's really a "pick your poison"

resurgance is boring, story feels ai generated

but i guess pvp there is better ? thats about it

[late thistle]

maxing weapons, mods and artifact is crazy in such a stupid idea

mod and weapons complete rng with very low chances and artifact just crazy

like how the f im supposed to max the stats ( i mean the numbers on the left)

im fine but with logic

[vast arch]

That only matters if you really care about hitting the absolute highest possible power

[late thistle]

if u put expanse wqith quadrillion power

i kinda need it

[vast arch]

There is a power cap in Expanse

[neon pebble]

Didnt even get to PvP. Game is all about cover but I used tank dude who carries his cover around. Felt cheese in tutorial

[vernal zephyr]

If yal hate it so much why play it

It does seem different so I’ll give it a shot

[bitter estuary]

?

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/white-monkey-funny-face-animal-lol-why-gif-19799376

[late thistle]

even to put an iron commander on adept u need 91.5k charcther and thats basically nearly max

[bitter estuary]

this is killing the game lowk

[vernal zephyr]

Not hating on anyone just thought it was funny very different opinions is all

[vernal zephyr]

That’s crazy what’s it mean

[bitter estuary]

watch netease put 45+45 artifacts and adept mythics (with adept mod and 2 double thumbs up mods) as a requirement for phase 6

[neon pebble]

Adept is end game difficulty, you need end game characters to do it...

[late thistle]

ofc, the point is sensind a simple iron commander

[neon pebble]

You are making your own 3 man team and sending them in

[late thistle]

tell me when u can send one with 3 characther 91.5 k

[neon pebble]

Its like 3 bots of your choice running a strike for you

I run heroic, slightly less rewards

Game has no pinnacle, grind all you want

[twilit thistle]

i only run heroic in chaos bc its simply just less effort for identical drops.

[thorny frost]

That is to get the 10% bonus, really just need 87k average which is a lot more obtainable (and depending on if it is actually complicated might be needed anyways to unlock).

[late thistle]

you dont get the point, im sayin that the farmin u need to do for things they just added is toxic

[neon pebble]

We arnt supposed to max everyone in 2 weeks 💀

[late thistle]

with 2% chance of dropping the thing for adpet mod ( and u need 3 of them) plus u need the godroll of that mod. u porbabl wont even get one good until the season end

[neon pebble]

You have 4 diff expanse shinkas too clear. We should all be workin on 4 characters

[thorny frost]

It is a give and take, to get to 90% is actually pretty easy, it is the last min max that is time consuming. Artifact grinding is achievable in under a week now, which before you had to grind for over a month. Weapons are longer but that is because there was no reason to grind weapons before.

[neon pebble]

I went from 74k to 89k in like a day

Do the emanare

[thorny frost]

They made end game a grind, but made getting people “close” easier

[late thistle]

thats easy, the final part is toxic

[thorny frost]

It is to keep people playing, it isn’t a bad design imo. If getting max everything was quick it would also remove the carrot on the stick these games rely on.

[twilit thistle]

Not rlly, this is destiny, idk what game u thought it was before but it wasnt a destiny game. Issue isnt that we need to farm, issue is that they didnt add anything alongside it. (content, and new activities)

[neon pebble]

Its more about " what can we play for fun "

[thorny frost]

I would be more frustrated if it took forever to get the bare basic of a build (like before with god roll equipments and powering those up to get the tier 10 bonus). Now artifact grinding is a weak thing, and min maxing is running to get the base stats up. Mods are easy to pick the one you want but grind for that rng good roll now.

[true basin]

👀

[thorny frost]

We need more engaging things to do, this I definitely can’t debate about. I think Lucy said that you should be able to get anything anywhere. If they created the currency for season as just a slow gain from playing any game mode it could be a “play how you want” in the end.

[hollow gazelle]

Anything anywhere would kill the need to play a lot of activities tho

And everyone would just farm the most efficient one

[bitter estuary]

also guys whats the best efrideet artifacts

[twilit thistle]

The biggest issues are stemming from our developer's country of origin. The logic itself feels deeply rooted in the political and economic system of that country. Thats where I would push for changes. I certianly hope they consider gutting, or "sunsetting" legendary campaigns, and legacy.

[hollow gazelle]

???

[hollow gazelle]

China is communist so we have legendary campaign and legacy?

I think legendary campaign is cool, just not how much u need to run it

Tho i would like the new campaign missions and maybe some old ones to be added to it

[twilit thistle]

Just overall logic, in general. I think its causing difficulties in balancing the loot system, because some of it goes against it. I also think making everything equal is just another issue stemming from it. theres tons of stuff like that. The latter was just a suggestion and not related to it

[hollow gazelle]

I get where ur coming from now

Tho tbh is hard to balance the grinding aspect with how repetitive it can get

[bitter estuary]

this kinda reminds me of arknights endfield, but the game got worse overtime gameplay loop wise, which i guess atleast this has some positives

[hollow gazelle]

Maybe every week the rewards for each activity can rotate for another

Idk how confusing that would be tho 😭

[neon pebble]

Is everyone on phase 5?

I may finally catch up today, or are yall on phase 6?

[late thistle]

5

[neon pebble]

I can be a real player soon

Going from 91k to 95k today then expanse 40, phase 5, and then real grind for 5star stuff

[lavish carbon]

how's chaperone on gwynn did anybody try?

[neon pebble]

Its... alright... better on Jaren. I only use it so Gwynn can pop piercing Shinka. Its cata bands are more meant for ad clear though

[modern seal]

who did ya'll use for piercing stage 40-50? stage 49 is insane

[neon pebble]

Its rate of fire isnt ideal

[neon pebble]

HH or Efri is my guess

[late thistle]

i did it with kabr

[lavish carbon]

aight thanks maybe I'll give it a try since I haven't maxxed an exotic shotty yet

[late thistle]

invest on concerto

[modern seal]

what weapons?

[late thistle]

total lockdown and arbalest

what power are u?

[modern seal]

i'll have to figure something else out then, I only have 1 copy of arby

My highest is jaren at 102.9k with a void shotgun

[late thistle]

nah with arbalest tier 1 yu cant

[lavish carbon]

got adept sidearms because engrams don't give me hand cannons so I'll probably won't

[late thistle]

i mean, the meta for gwyn are concerto, if u want a shotgun atleast go for octant

dont max chaperone pls🤣

[modern seal]

Man there's like no good options for void piercing if you don't have arbalest

[grand panther]

What yall think new character after efrideet will be ? I mean element and weapons

[visual rain]

umeko 💔

[late thistle]

datamined sidearms as battle pass weapons so i guess impact

[grand panther]

🫩I’ve saved 120 LM boats

For new character I hope it isn’t useless

[modern seal]

I really wish we had a void scout with allocation vector otherwise I'd give her a try, basically all mythic scouts other than that solar one with allocation vector feel awful to use for me

[gray crypt]

Why did they make it so crimson only comes from engrams 😔

and specifically only normal exo engrams

[river vigil]

it can drop in shifting gates

[gray crypt]

oh boy... shifting gates

Shifting gates is just Ikora slop I'm afraid

Like all I see is ikora because GL/rocket ez game

[twilit thistle]

💀 @visual rain she is growing on me

[gray crypt]

efri is in fact good

[visual rain]

same

[limber pine]

Happy four twenty guys

[gray crypt]

man can i at least find a shifting gates match

oh crimson also can drop from leg campaign huh

[celest robin]

Overfitting data lattice grind sucks

[neon pebble]

Meta for gwynn has her as poop tier. Break the mould. Its good for precision shinkas.

Ive said since launch Concerto is poo

New mods push mythic weapons hard

[neon pebble]

Because bots game. Any team thats a combo of ikoras, kabrs, and/or wolfs is a bot team more than likely. You queue against 5 enemy bot teams majority of time these days

[timber stag]

yeah but i like melee so im rolling for her regardless

[gray crypt]

alr time to farm leg campaign to try and get crimson

[river vigil]

time to enter the new mines for today since the chaos modifiers suck, surely I can do 130 adept 3 clears without malding

[twilit thistle]

Ngl this is pretty good too. Crimson heals. And it provides overshield. @indigo solar now i kinda want to explore damage resistance. 🥺 tankfrideet build when

[indigo solar]

She's already a tank what

[twilit thistle]

healing plasma? Unrelenting evolution? 🤔

[robust sequoia]

Do we ever anticipate the on-hit mods being useful for spread weapons?

[exotic sinew]

[neon pebble]

She's ability

[neon pebble]

I did 12 floors and died. Farming legacy and morgran for emanare

[vast arch]

Why does this game like giving the same attributes on certain pieces? I have so many of these with overshield 😭

this would be really good if it didn't have a cooldown or if the cd was much shorter

[river vigil]

I did 30 and then wondered why I was wasting my time when tomorrow will be a better day

[timber stag]

it’s a scythe

[humble jacinth]

Is Truth still better than Drill with Energy Conversion Ammo on Ikora?

[rotund flame]

Did anyone get any of the adept mods yet?

[twilit thistle]

I mean it’s a good perk, especially considering what it does to natural health recovery 👀

[slow olive]

WTH Devs? Why are the power levels increasing every week?

[visual rain]

because your phase level is increasing

[slow olive]

Bungie WILL never wth

[visual rain]

well bungie doesnt develop this game

[slow olive]

This system is so ahh

Its punishing people who play the game

Its a slap into the face not everyone can level up characters weekly into a big power leap. Let alone multiple characters

[signal spade]

what content do you find too difficult as a result of the power going up

[visual rain]

nah hes right

its really dumb that the power keeps increasing and thus forcing you to only play 1 or a few characters

say you main estela or something but you like doing chaos on ning, well now you have to get your ning above 90k just to farm chaos

[signal spade]

90k is like 79k in this example

which is very low even if you had 0 upgrades on t4/5 artifacts

[indigo solar]

Simple solution, make only the highest adept increase with phase, but have better increased rewards

[slow olive]

Classic Destiny experience

5 steps forward, 13 steps back

[slow olive]

Literally this

[indigo solar]

Adept 3 should not be a cake walk

Most modes have been trivially easy in the past, and nobody liked it

[visual rain]

theres people who still dont even have 1 char at 90k

[indigo solar]

It's good that there's hard content besides raids and cordon

[slow olive]

I am chasing raid levels of light power every week and the game just says "lol nah u too weak" every reset

[indigo solar]

Then do lower difficulties

[signal spade]

yea but if you have 0 chars at 90 why are you pushing your tier up lol

[vast arch]

I wanted to take Estela into adept chaos today but had to do heroic because her power isn’t high enough this week.

[visual rain]

fair, but they also dont know that it increases power that much

[signal spade]

or what have you been doing with the tier increases i guess

[stark forge]

or you know just dont press phase breakthrough and enjoy life

[indigo solar]

Ntm they were only able to push tier up bc they were pushing expanse above their light

[signal spade]

yea i know but that kind of player is already putting themselves in the ball crushing machine to do harder expanse

[indigo solar]

Exactly

[visual rain]

even the normal mode raid is 90k now which isnt hard to get, but if you just want to do it for fun, youre locked into the one char you main

[indigo solar]

You're not supposed to be able to phase up until you can handle it, expanse is a check

[vast arch]

Wish I knew this sooner. I would have waited to go to phase 5

[signal spade]

thats 90k with emanare

thats like incredibly easy to obtain

[indigo solar]

If it takes you 30 minutes to do the expanse breakthrough, maybe you shouldn't be breaking through

[vast arch]

Tbf it’s not if you haven’t been playing and grinding out mats every week since S4 launch

[visual rain]

yall gotta keep in mind there are people who just play this game very casually and they phase up and the power suddenly increases by 10k

[slow olive]

They're literally artificially gatelocking a majority of the playerbase by raising the levels for no good reason

I don't care if it means we are forced to keep grinding and not be comfortable with a certain level

[visual rain]

i think its fine for other activities but the NORMAL MODE raid and chaos shouldnt change so drastically

[indigo solar]

Casuals are unlocking phase 4 this week

[vast arch]

You have to intentionally farm mats for Emanare and if you haven’t been on top of it you’re not getting +10k power this week

[slow olive]

It still doens't retract the fact that this is disrespectful overall

[signal spade]

i dont think we got that much power this week tbh not a lot of nodes on the ring we got

[brisk mango]

I know the feeling, I can only use Wolf now and every team I put together for the third part just falls apart (I think they all despise me)

[slow olive]

What's better on wolf anyway?

[vast arch]

A decent amount because we also got gem slots

[stark forge]

everything now upscale with max emanare investment which is big pressure for casuals

[slow olive]

Hyper-carry Smart Bomb or quickswap Sweet Business/Autoloading GL?

[stark forge]

smart bomb still goat ngl

[vast arch]

Yeah I feel like this is going to be an issue. If players aren’t on top of the Emanare they aren’t going to be able to keep up with the power increases

[signal spade]

im pretty sure a character with 4 level 80 artifacts at old max and 1 maxed out mythic weapon is above 80k

[stark forge]

yeah that stuff should only apply to adept expanse and cordon lol

[signal spade]

or close to but at that point youd just get new artifacts

[brisk mango]

It's not like I want to be stuck with Wolf but that's the only character that is at the right power level (and I don't have Estela yet) but basically every team I put together for the final segment either all bails at the start, deserts mid battle, or they abandon it after one failure.

[visual rain]

how do these mfs still not know how 3rd enc works

[slow olive]

Free super rounds on a fast-charging super goes crazy

[slow olive]

Simple: Destiny Players are illiterate

[brisk mango]

At least I got the exotic weapons from the other encounters (all that remains is getting Wardcliff Coil)

[stark forge]

u know its a new raid and all 💀

takes time to learn

[visual rain]

can they make people do a tutorial raid or some sh so i dont have to deal with randoms not communicating or comprehending anything

[slow olive]

Blueberries (aka the randoms that appear as blue balls on your minimap) are as unreliable as the history of Destiny says

[visual rain]

"new" its been like a month dude

[tender mist]

the sound of ppl doing the ghost snatching animation when idle or w/e is gonna make me go insane i swear

[empty kettle]

They had multiple weeks to learn the raid

[brisk mango]

Agreed, I was once fighting alongside someone who had no idea how the braizers work (I'm still figuring some things out but I get most of it now)

[vast arch]

Old level 80 artifacts maxed out with a 5 star level 90 mythic is like 80k power

[signal spade]

yea and then 10k from emanare is 90k already

[stark forge]

ppl still learning where to shoot issakis since launch

[signal spade]

so even assuming you did half an emanare youd also have to ignore your artifacts

[visual rain]

you do not understand how much of emanare a casual player would have unlocked... it costs SO many resources

[signal spade]

assume half then

[brisk mango]

Really? I figured that out a while back (though due to lag my guns are not always able to hit the target)

[signal spade]

cause realistically the mod mats take like no time to farm in morgrans and the artifact mats are all over the place

[stark forge]

u will always catch someone vaporized by shooting the wrong spot 🤣

[signal spade]

the sheath side is poop i agree

[visual rain]

idk man i still dont see how its so much to ask to not have the raid power increase by so much when some people are just barely pushing the next phase

[visual rain]

its rough enough out here with them not knowing mechanics now they gonna be under power too

[brisk mango]

So question regarding the whole lighting the braizers to dispel the illusion in the Ahamkara Raid (the name of which I keep forgetting how its spelt since it seems to be some Norse word) , how do you tell which one to put the thing in? (they all look the same to me)

[empty kettle]

Most of the playerbase are either those same people who can't do mechanics to save their own friends or a pretty casual player that will afk in a lobby

[stark forge]

i see node level upgrade goes to 10 on the last row in emanare, how many clusters do they expect us to hold 😭

[vast arch]

Actually it's less I think, It's more like 78k-79k. My Maru has mixed 90's and 80's and she is 74k but the level 90 weapons are both still at 1 star. Maxing those gives 2600 more power. It's still too high for casuals IMO. I have been grinding a lot and have 4 characters over 80k

[empty kettle]

200

[indigo solar]

One side has a symbol over the brazier at spawn. On the other side, someone goes to a different room when they interact with the big ball. When a person with the small ball is standing on a brazier, the person in the other room sees a symbol. If it's the same symbol as the other team, you dunk

[stark forge]

B A L L S

[indigo solar]

The team that sees the symbol can ping it so everyone knows what the correct symbol is, and then the person that gets teleported can ping to say whether the current symbol is correct or incorrect

And the Ahamkara's name is Njorun, which should be pronounced NYOR-oon, but for some reason all of the voice actors say nuh-JOR-oon

[brisk mango]

How do you know which one to dunk it in? there are like 6 of them, that is what I'm curious about

[indigo solar]

When the person that got teleported tells you you're standing on the right brazier

[brisk mango]

Is that via text or audio chat?

[empty kettle]

The person inside the ball

[indigo solar]

They can ping

[bitter estuary]

balls

[brisk mango]

I was talking about the name of the raid but thanks for reminding me

[dawn stone]

….kinda new to the destiny rising side

Chose to miss launch due to gacha system in place….

….anyone know how to get Estela or other characters without buying?

[indigo solar]

There's team A and team B
Team A sees what the correct symbol is, they can ping it so team B sees the symbol as well
Team B gets split, player 1 gets teleported inside while players 2 and 3 carrier the ball to the braziers
When player 2 or 3 has the ball over a brazier, player 1 sees the symbol of that brazier
If that symbol matches the symbol team A sees, they ping "correct" and player 2/3 dunks
If the symbol doesn't match, they ping "incorrect" and player 2/3 moves to the next brazier
There are 3 braziers that have to be dunked to continue to the boss

[empty kettle]

Condensate

[indigo solar]

@brisk mango

[dawn stone]

How you get them? I don’t see them drop anywhere

[brisk mango]

Okay now that makes sense I was wondering what that meant

[stark forge]

sell weekly in season shop, sg shop and casual weekly reward

[dawn stone]

Seems like D2 first raid

[twilit thistle]

Ctrl+C...

[brisk mango]

Seems most of the people I partner with have less of a clue than I do (all while I'm just trying to avoid getting shredded by Cabal guns, which pack a serious punch in this raid)

[dawn stone]

So basically a crap ton of saving up for characters then

[stark forge]

yeah basically

[dawn stone]

…do they got the cabal missile man in this one?

[indigo solar]

You can also buy them from the black market

[stark forge]

after 5 weeks i got like 10 shards for each char so far lmao

[indigo solar]

5 condensate for 81k BM coins iirc

[brisk mango]

That what?

[dawn stone]

D1 strike had the cabal guy that just shot missiles

[twilit thistle]

We have one that does something similar. Trust, and go into chaos.