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[dusty spire]

I love Maru lol so I’m always looking into stretching her

[worn trench]

I wonder if theres also a way to get some more reload speed from this cause it takes like 3 seconds. my uptime is high cause I got like 60 bullets anyway plus Beast Trap and TMO perks but what if it was EVEN HIGHER

I NEED MORE UPTIIIME

[dusty spire]

But yeah don’t undermine her when she says “explosions” lol

[slow olive]

Rising devs knew they had to make a tentacle unit

[slow olive]

Ayo?

[bitter estuary]

balls

[slow olive]

Do better man Maru looks like she dives into moshpits for a shower

[heavy jewel]

kinda rude to judge someone else's tastes

[slow olive]

At this point go for Jolder bro her accent is jarring but at least muscle mommy

[dusty spire]

lol how dare you 😑

[worn trench]

Maru is old

[heavy jewel]

gilf

[slow olive]

All is fair in jest

[dusty spire]

Wait what?

[worn trench]

unless those tastes are immoral in nature

these arent of course but thats important to note

[heavy jewel]

true

[dusty spire]

Nag sci fi and that stuff don’t mix man

Keep destiny as it is

[slow olive]

Wait a minute I did hear Maru is one of the older lightbearers

[dusty spire]

Ain’t really sold on that appeal I don’t think

[heavy jewel]

nier and stellar blade would disagree with you but fair

i would like to keep destiny's art style, its nice

[slow olive]

I have seen the error of my ways and as an avid fan of older women I solemnly apologize and have seen the error of my ways

[obtuse chasm]

Xuan Wei Speedo when 😔

[slow olive]

Still hate her chin tatoo tho

[dusty spire]

Please no

[slow olive]

At least give her the dignity of a good lookin' beard sheesh

[heavy jewel]

its a hawaiian / polynesian thing

[obtuse chasm]

Shaved tho

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-ozzie-warlock-void-spin-gif-15161730036129732445

I NEED MY VOID WARLOCK FIX ASAP!!!

[obtuse chasm]

Umeko a baddie tho fr

[heavy jewel]

it always goes that way, in every game with smashable characters

[obtuse chasm]

Lmaooo

[vast arch]

Nuh uh we're not going there

[neon pebble]

It lets me keep my Karmic Reward stacks, and should bypass the other "on reload" perks also

[vast arch]

next topic

[dusty spire]

Yall wild

[slow olive]

Oh yeah

[worn trench]

Estela has assistants tho

[empty kettle]

Leaked void warlock being the next character

[heavy jewel]

breaking my lower neck out here

[dusty spire]

So how is new Gwynn

[heavy jewel]

hm, so situationally useful, but idk if its worth giving up my mag slot for it

[dusty spire]

Much stronger?

Still being tested?

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-akakichi-no-eleven-gif-6695986364367126664

[heavy jewel]

honestly? worse jolder, though maybe someone can enlighten me

[dusty spire]

Surely someone got a busted one by. Ow

[neon pebble]

Too each their own, id rather keep my perks at 100% uptime and not have to waste time reloading

[indigo solar]

How does it interact with slide cancelling btw

Either jump cancelled or melee cancelled

[dusty spire]

Even after the buff?

[obtuse chasm]

Just wait till I A5! I will make her valid

[slow olive]

I just realized that everyone's icon weapons just plain SUCK with them

[obtuse chasm]

Yall about to see gwynn back in the leaderboards 😏

[neon pebble]

Idk what slide cancel is, teach me and I will do it later. I need to test with reload on ability arti still to see if it procs them

[heavy jewel]

looking forward to the results tbh, she should be broken at t6a6

[dusty spire]

What’s her burst looking like now?

[heavy jewel]

no, jaren is still good with TLW, xuanwei with octant, maru with drill, etc

[obtuse chasm]

Tbh I have no idea still working on getting her arts maxed

And only A2 atm but in about a week imma push cordon with her after I get her A5

[slow olive]

Baklava is apperently Wolf's worst AR pait, Octant can't compete with Concerto for Gwynn, Last Word isn't iconic enough to be forgiven with Jaren, Ikora isn't allowed 50ft near a shotgun, Mahamayuri cucks Riskrunner with Ning Fei

[obtuse chasm]

Hellhest, efrideet, gwynn is the move

Jaren is dog water

[heavy jewel]

i disagree with TLW, but the ikora bit made me laugh

[slow olive]

Expection are Jolder, Finnala, and Tan

[empty kettle]

Baklava beast trap + time marches on

[slow olive]

But only because Polaris is GOATed with its infinite rounds as long as you can hit it

[heavy jewel]

polaris is kinda awful compared to symettry though

[slow olive]

Having 60% health as requirement kind off knocks it too far

[neon pebble]

Big flip in 1 day

[empty kettle]

Get the perk upgrades

[neon pebble]

She was garbage couple days ago

And i was crazy

[slow olive]

Holy curds I always forget to check

Anything but buffing triple tap/adding fourth times the charm

Like wtf its Triple Taps role if a better perk can do its gig

[indigo solar]

Melee after a slide

[neon pebble]

Omw out door for errands, will run it later

[heavy jewel]

her buffs were bad, she's still too reliant on kills for void spirit generation they needed to lower it from 30% of sidearm mag to like 3 bursts/shots of sidearm mag

[slow olive]

Overflow deserved to be a mythic perk

[indigo solar]

Nah she just needs a sidearm that has 3 ammo 🧠

[neon pebble]

Bruhhh she hard caps at 14

[slow olive]

More ammo as it is per pickup

Clown Cartridge too

[heavy jewel]

you're burning shotgun ammo for this, im saying her sidearm generation is bad

[slow olive]

Ts is why the perk rarity system sucks

[neon pebble]

Bruhh the buffs were so good, orbs dont expire. She wrecks in pvp

[indigo solar]

And pachinko

[slow olive]

Delete redundant/duplicate perks and reduce perks per weapons to 6-7

[indigo solar]

Make pachinko every other shot and make it mythic

[worn trench]

ok guys

[neon pebble]

Ive been waiting since november to max talent gwynn, it is time to be OP and I got buffs

[worn trench]

so i did some research, and i have come to a scary conclusion

[slow olive]

Also getting new damage perk just dilutes the perk pool

[worn trench]

one of the Lightbearers we know, is in fact, Taniks

and it should be increasingly obvious who this Eliksni imposter is

[slow olive]

How many Taniks have we been fighting against?

The devs have to take a break with damage perks and start adding non-damage perks more

[dusty spire]

Hit the 80 today, hopefully I don’t have to skip next banner

[heavy jewel]

oh, that's nice at least

[slow olive]

Bro has been saving since pre-alpha

[dusty spire]

It’s been wild

Feel like I’ve been playing on hard mode lol

[empty kettle]

Will be worth it

[slow olive]

I should probably compile a docs of every existing perk in Rising, and give suggestions on what to delete so a plausible ridding of the perk tier system gets canned

[dusty spire]

I hope so fam

[slow olive]

Bro is saving for John Destiny Rising

[worn trench]

Tan-2 is obviously an artificial reincarnation of the Fallen. The last time we know we saw Taniks, he used Nuclear Bombs

Where on earth were Nukes dropped? Japan. Where is Japan? Asia. Where was Tan-2 resurrected? Asia.

Even his Sword, Yannick, is an obvious allusion by name! just mix the names, Tan and Yannick, and its so clear to see. Taniks set up ""Tan-2"" as a backup plan in case he dies. even being a Herald of Finality was not enough for him

[dusty spire]

19 day to go

[slow olive]

Sentinels WILL NOT be playable dawg

[empty kettle]

That void warlock will be worth using

[dusty spire]

This tbf

[slow olive]

Okay bro chill

No wait

He's complaining he's too small

https://giphy.com/gifs/james-doakes-iuu3hRoxlr2ETPucZW

No lightbearer complains he's too small unless he's not happy with his new body

[worn trench]

HE IS CALLED TAN-2 FOR A REASON. 2. HES A BACKUP.

TANIKS-2.

[crimson crown]

hello team, are you able to bind discord using MuMu? hitting Bind Discord doesn't really do anything, don't know if that's a thing you just can't do, or if it's a problem on my end

[neon pebble]

The s4 rework is better now that i have some of the new items to test

No longer bored

[sharp talon]

i kinda regret t6ing efrideet cuz i have jaren 😭

[vast arch]

If you mean linking your account to discord at the login screen, yes that is possible on mumu.

[sharp talon]

when am i gonna play efrideet

[neat valley]

i play her everyday and i have t6 jaren too

[sharp talon]

ye im a jaren main tho

[vast arch]

I'll hold on to Jaren for you while you play Efrideet

[neon pebble]

Koko with fire risk

Rush

[empty kettle]

This could maybe help her

[heavy jewel]

yeah, betting the next character is awoken / reef born purely off that flavor text

[empty kettle]

Three of the cosmetics about the BP gun is about the awoken

[heavy jewel]

ooh, betting on sjor eido or petra venj then

actually what am i saying, its probably petra

[crimson crown]

i for the life of me cannot figure out how, hitting Bind Discord makes my screen go portrait for a second, loading a chrome browser, but then just goes back to normal. I have linked my Discord account in the main title screen, it's currently a linked account. But the actual Bind Discord button on the title screen or the in-game Esc menu just does nothing. It goes portrait mode for 5 seconds then will either say nothing, or it will flash "unbind" as if it was bound at all, which isn't true cause it's never shown my activity on discord lol

sorry word salad, this is just so frustrating and i have no idea why

[empty kettle]

It's going to be a void warlock, if we go by the leak

[heavy jewel]

oh, nvm then

[vast arch]

Binding is just for login, are you able to log in with your discord credentials?

[crimson crown]

yep all that works

[vast arch]

Ok so what are you trying to achieve? That's all binding is for

[crimson crown]

my main goal is my game activity showing for the discord rich presence

but it's not auto detected and nothing i can manually add on discord

except Android Device, which does nothing

[vast arch]

Discord settings, scroll all the way down to activity, make sure you have all of that turned on. Check per-server settings as well. Then go into registered games and make sure the game is showing there

[crimson crown]

that's the problem, i have activity showing and stuff but no game is auto detected, and trying to manually add it only gives me Adroid Device as an option, which doesn't show game activity

you need to be a NASA engineer to figure this out i'm convinced

Destiny Rising is currently listed as an Authorized App on my discord, it is successfully linked, just don't know what the issue is, it's so strange

[crimson crown]

yeah that, like how the F do you get that lmao

[signal spade]

i assume its just android device

or my ingame binding doing some funny business

[crimson crown]

android device just shows nothing,like if you click my username you'll see it, just a generic thing

[signal spade]

damn it even leaks im in haven

[crimson crown]

yeah lmao i want that!

[naive ingot]

I'm on android and shows me in game on Rising

[crimson crown]

i'm sorry i'm annoying general with this. I just can't figure out this puzzle lmao

[vast arch]

I was only able to get it to work by manually adding the mumu exe path to discord but even then it doesn't show any rich presence data

[vast arch]

are you on mumu or bluestacks?

[signal spade]

mumu

[crimson crown]

so strange man lmao

[vast arch]

interesting

I was never able to get discord to detect mumu like that

[crimson crown]

@signal spade did you ever have to manually add it to your registered games? or was it all auto

[river vigil]

discord is detecting mumu for me but I didnt do anything for it to work

[crimson crown]

same i got that too, 8 permissions actually

so weird

[vast arch]

same

[signal spade]

lets see how fast it updates if i do a morgrans

china can have all my data screw it

that was instant

[crimson crown]

yep all that stuff is on, now everytime i open the game again i get "You've unbound your Discord Account. Please rebind"

🙃

[signal spade]

unbind rebind maybe in game

or turn off all your perms there was an update to the discord binding i think last patch

deauth reauth rather

[crimson crown]

just did it 20 mins ago but i will try it all again

[signal spade]

id do the binding on your actual phone too cause idk if the games smart enough to make the link from mumu->discord

unless you have discord on your mumu

[crimson crown]

that's interesting actually, i didn't consider this

i will try that

[bitter estuary]

@twilit thistle has netease fixed the inv overflow

usually you hoard things so idk

[vast arch]

Ok so I just removed my custom game from discord registered games and now it is showing in my status

[crimson crown]

bro how tf 😭

[indigo solar]

I can neither confirm nor deny this statement

[crimson crown]

i've tried adding and removing the manual one but nothing, gonna try the phone thing tho

the connection is there though, like in game i see the discord icons next to random lightbears, to message or add on discord. so connection is there

[vast arch]

💀

[signal spade]

6 man chaos

i feel like the threat level with anni wound counter has to do more damage right

neither of these perk upgrades actually make the bullets do anything except shoot faster

[indigo solar]

More damage but less dps

[signal spade]

yea ill prob farm a threat level i feel like total damage is more important for high expanse rn

[crimson crown]

holy !@#$ you are brilliant, doing on the phone now actually says BOUND when hitting bind discord. and shows my status on the phone

[signal spade]

we did it

[crimson crown]

lets see if it works on emulator now, guessing it will

[bitter estuary]

i’d really only use it if there’s 2 helhest generating ammo, otherwise i’d go for threat in expanse

that being said, parole+chaperone

[vast arch]

Chaperone is never going to be meta

[signal spade]

well im talkin gwynn here anyway the solar shotty on jaren too powerful

[bitter estuary]

oh gwynn

[signal spade]

idk what the best myth sidearm is though

[vast arch]

it worked

[bitter estuary]

then just use er i think

[crimson crown]

@signal spade is a genius

idk why i didn't think about that

i'm not mad at you anymore

[signal spade]

what a roller coaster

[vast arch]

I didn't even think twice but I also logged in on both emu and phone

[bitter estuary]

mesicku seems nice idk

chushingura might do more if you have no more heavy

[signal spade]

its too early to farm sparrow racing for threat level

sadge

myth sidearms prob worst investment of time anyway new chars gonna use the bp weapon and im not upgrading chaperone for gwynn, still working on wardcliff and then need to save for bp

need to make a schedule for farming in this game

[crimson crown]

maybe new char will be thunderlord tho

[river vigil]

the chaos mines have made me neglect farming other resources

[twilit thistle]

Wdym

[bitter estuary]

the inventory overflow

the one where it resets perks to 0

[vast arch]

fr I'm still in my chaos run from yesterday

[river vigil]

I changed over to weapon master but I decided to do it on heroic since things die faster

[empty kettle]

Or grenade launcher

[signal spade]

get in the mod mines next

[vast arch]

What did you farm to get all of these

[signal spade]

morgrans

[twilit thistle]

Yea from what I know. Didn’t fix the weapons they randomly reset to 0
That were already upgraded with mods last season tho 😠

[signal spade]

morgrans to farm blitz weapon + clusters

usually bots fill up matches so you get like 20 second runs half the time with ppl already at the second wave

and its prob the best source of mentor tokens

[fringe anchor]

how good is tan-2?

like where would he rank in a tier list

[river vigil]

I made an alt last night for that XD

[signal spade]

C on a good day

[fringe anchor]

damn ok ty

[slow olive]

We desperately need newer rapid fires

[indigo solar]

Yes

[twilit thistle]

I still don’t get the weapon drops for cordon ngl

[vast arch]

What good is a new rapid fire when rapid fire weapons are so weak?

[signal spade]

in morgrans?

oh i see cordons just using strikes and honestly the wishlists are like 80% hit rates

[indigo solar]

Where is this coming from

[signal spade]

ARs and pulses might as well be xuan wei super they do so little damage

[twilit thistle]

It was dropping my strike wishlist but I think it could be on the condition the score is s? Either that or I went on a 20x+ streak of good luck

[indigo solar]

LMGs aren't meant for high dps, they're ad clear. Crossbows do really good damage. Primaries suck but most primaries are bad in this game

[slow olive]

Tan-2 does more damage with the slam atp

[slow olive]

LMG
Ad clear

[indigo solar]

Yes

[slow olive]

Tf is the great Thunderlord for then? A weapon of terror against greg the dreg and his extended family?

[indigo solar]

Yes

What good is AoE damage vs a boss

[slow olive]

I cannot in good faith allow this Thunderlord slander

Devs do something they're pissing in the name of the Lord of Thunder

[signal spade]

thunderlord was goated for st in d2 for like ever it prob still is

[slow olive]

Still is

[signal spade]

but also arc titans abused it

and it wasnt that good if you werent arc titaning

[vast arch]

Thunderlord is literally designed for sustained DPS

[worn trench]

you know I am right. you fallen peice of scum.

[slow olive]

Mate Thunderlord is literally supposed to be THIS good

[signal spade]

well the issue isnt thunderlord rn its that theres no character that has a weapon mastery that wants it

[slow olive]

Thunderlord truthers we must maintain the agenda

[vast arch]

Also, Heir Apparent would like a word

[slow olive]

someone do this in Rising style

[signal spade]

once we get the saint xiv thundercrash rapid fire titan

its over for these bosses

[slow olive]

Heir what now?

Hair for bullets?

[sullen depot]

Kabr 1.0 will like to have a word with u

[slow olive]

Arc Saint? Might as well say we don't need some d1 representation in Rising because that is just false

[cyan tide]

Bum ahh weapon, can't even fire consistently

[signal spade]

well if they give him bubble thatd be sad af

and hes good with using his head for stuff

[twilit thistle]

Waste of ammo when it does

[vast arch]

We already have a bubble

[slow olive]

Thundercrash void edition

[signal spade]

thatd be sick

[slow olive]

Jolder stole his bars

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-destiny2witch-queen-sentinel-shield-lucent-brood-hive-gif-23101352

[indigo solar]

Saladin s6 cope

[thorny frost]

LMG did get a damage buff this last season, honestly weapon mastery can great enhance specific weapons. It is hard to say LMG is bad when we don’t have a proper way to track what it can do on the main unit that use them. Accidents aren’t tracked in damage records as skill or weapon damage.

[slow olive]

Skill 1: Headbutt
Skill 2: Rage maybe?
Passive: Battlefield Frenzy
Ultimate: Headbutt but missile

It's really hard to make up what Saint might do in this game Jolder really had to steal from the GOAT to prop herself up with her plastic ahh armor

[signal spade]

theyll wait for stasis before they add zavala

[empty kettle]

VOID WARLOCK SUPREMACY!!!!

[slow olive]

Surprised they still don't have any devour-centric voidlocks so far

[dusty spire]

So long the next hero ain’t blast void I don’t mind pulling

[pine verge]

Shoot faster, shoot more, and deal a lil more damage. Pretty much maxe for gwynn

[empty kettle]

We may or may not get on one

[slow olive]

But what I really need is a Dawnblade/Sunsinger inspired warlock character that makes me feel like I'm an AC-130

[signal spade]

i need the cayde 6 blade barrage and the saladin burning maul

[slow olive]

Idgaf if its AR/Rocket or GL/LMG

[dusty spire]

And if it’s definitely an attack buffing hero I’m down

[slow olive]

I WANT TO REIGN FIRE FROM ABOVE

[signal spade]

we'll get the osiris dawnblade at some point

[dusty spire]

Saladin better come soon though

[slow olive]

Imagine just floating in midair just firing nonstop

[dusty spire]

Feels to much like an anniversary period type release

[slow olive]

Damage resist, autoload, icarus dash

Traveller knows I'd pop my super

[dusty spire]

Titan cycle soon coming

I can feel it

[slow olive]

Kabr WAS the Titan cycle

[signal spade]

thatd be sick af if like the 1.0 was a second permanent banner with like saint osiris saladin and shiro iv

[slow olive]

Helhest was in the same nich sadly

[dusty spire]

Stop playing that was a filler

Saladin would make noise

He’s definitely been benched for a better period to sell into lol

I feel they have a few heroes benched rn

We getting the early start 🪝

[signal spade]

thundercrash titan with a bonk hammer that returns to him like thor

whens that comin actually

[dusty spire]

You but will be solar

And will use jotuun

[grizzled sentinel]

tomorrow

[pine verge]

Radagast maybe, who knows

[dusty spire]

Cause mad scorch

[slow olive]

Nah Saladin's more of a Burning Maul type of solar titan

[pine verge]

Im sure saladin will use a giant axe

[dusty spire]

Saladin will have the first Titan dive

[signal spade]

saladin is just finala in this game we just hope he gets that exotic in d2 that makes your burning maul a one and done

[grizzled sentinel]

you could literally make him use his axe like the twilight arsenal super from final shape

[slow olive]

Destiny 2 had a season where a featured weapon was a solar scythe

[pine verge]

Shoulder charge on a 2 second cd

Bringing nightmares to iron bar

[dusty spire]

He will have axe throw and some type of charge crash move

[slow olive]

Said scythe could launch solar slashes, slam for a solar erupture

[signal spade]

1-2 punch on shotguns any day now

[slow olive]

Combine that with burning mauls speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen and Saladin might be done justice

[grizzled sentinel]

banner of war grapple titan in rising when?

[pine verge]

Degeneracy fr

Melee damage stacking in d2 was so busted

[signal spade]

we dont have synthos

yet.

[grizzled sentinel]

or wormgods

[signal spade]

a wormgod character would go hard

[karmic chasm]

Liar’s Handshake was my entire build for a while

Just hit stuff

[slow olive]

We need a nightstalker

[pine verge]

We have umeko

[grizzled sentinel]

literally umeko

invis, debuffing, tethering enemies

what more do you need

[pine verge]

Impact nightstalker with sidearm and sword would be cool though

[karmic chasm]

He probably means mythic

[pine verge]

Bring that invis sword as bp weapon

[dusty spire]

Ability 1

[pine verge]

From duality

[signal spade]

whats the roll on this smg

[vast arch]

I mained warlock in D2 but whenever I played hunter it was liars handshake lol

[slow olive]

Polymer/Time

[slow olive]

The arrow power fantasy

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-thundercrash-titan-gif-20747023

[slow olive]

Tevis is literally right there. No need for an OC to fill in that gap

[grizzled sentinel]

unless it has a built in version of fletched arrows i don't want it 🛌

[signal spade]

is aggressivity curve not just goated

the upgrade makes it a 105% amp even in single target

[slow olive]

I have an idea for a Nightstalker character. Bows and all

[grizzled sentinel]

bring hierarchy of needs and give it the ability to work with bow related abilities

[slow olive]

Skill 1: CC tether arrow that confines
Skill 2: Conditional Mobility. Dodge + shoot a weakening arrow/Dive into a weakening smoke
Weapon Passive: Dealing enough damage to tagged enemies (ability damaged) triggers a destablizing round
Passive: Ability damaged combatants gets tagged and recieves increased precision damage
Super: Press for multiround shots, Hold for a massively weakening shot

For funsies Scout/Shotty

[frozen tree]

I would never play a scout shotty character

[next ocean]

looking for active players

[vast arch]

for what?

[signal spade]

lf free silver

[crimson crown]

@signal spade they should have you working for NASA

[slow olive]

LFG is literally a scroll away mate

[signal spade]

nasa just lost funding its over

[slow olive]

It still boggles me that Maru is like one of the rarest characters to see nowadays

Not as popular as Jaren
Wigkora mogged her due to availability

[signal spade]

screw it we want dam

[slow olive]

Welcome to the grind

One of the given perks will ragebait you

[indigo solar]

60%*

Can only proc one stack that way

[signal spade]

oh thats sad

[crimson crown]

now that i have image perms, i want to show this beauty from last night:

[indigo solar]

TMO is better for shinka breaking but AC has better dps overall

[signal spade]

your helhest will be happy

[indigo solar]

Now imagine if we didn't have attribute transfer and you were stuck with what's almost the worst possible roll

[crimson crown]

:D

[signal spade]

no imagine if we had power leaderboards

and he was at the top with a 45 45 45 and everyone else was screeching into the void how unfair it was

[vast arch]

1/4 artifacts for the highest possible power Helhest

[signal spade]

whats the math on solar vs void boost on a joldr runnin 2 solar weapons

i guess you get void damage on everything anyway

[indigo solar]

Only ~107k more artifacts to go

[vast arch]

bruh

[polar summit]

Wow they exists

[thorny frost]

This is the first perfect base roll I have seen. Congrats!

[visual rain]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-oh-oh-dear-gif-13290133576044791105

[vast arch]

These are the moments I play for

[signal spade]

Any day now I'll get my third

2200 stages wasn't enough

[visual rain]

The stats are buns 💔

[vast arch]

stats are bad but perfect attributes on a 5*

[fiery marsh]

Im still running void on my radiation jolder. Mainly because I can spam my abilities more often than the standard build and my shield toss can hit for 500k

[signal spade]

thats pretty large

[fiery marsh]

My partridge sky still hits for 1.2 mil

So the damage is already good enough

[signal spade]

its full rad set?

[fiery marsh]

Yessir

[signal spade]

rgr

[visual rain]

Attributes are easy to get tho (eventually)

[fiery marsh]

I didn't like the other build because I hate waiting for my rage meter to build

[signal spade]

yea that makes sense

[visual rain]

But getting only 1 above 40 is really unfortunate

[signal spade]

joldr might go hard with the beekeeper + rad set

[fiery marsh]

With radiation, shield throw and my meter is maxed in like 2 seconds

[vast arch]

I have a bunch with over 165 base

[fiery marsh]

We're you farming Morgrans yesterday?

[signal spade]

yea i meant to dm you back i was in a trance

shotgun dropped or i dropped

[fiery marsh]

I got some vids for you to check out

[vast arch]

@wraith mantle #🎁│in-game-binding

[fiery marsh]

16 second dmg test Furies III, Thunder Lords, Heir Apparent

The damages are so similar with heir only beating both by around 2 mil

Some ppl got upset that I said furies III could keep up with dmg on exotic LMGs xD

[signal spade]

im in a weird spot with estela where i feel like putting mats into her weapons is like too small of a gain but i do wanna build furies at some point

ive become #1 truth hater after making my ikora huge so im on wardcliff duty rn

[crimson crown]

wardcliff pumps

[fiery marsh]

Well work on t lords after the bugs are fixed

[signal spade]

yea i wanted to do thunderlord so i can swap to the void pulse

[fiery marsh]

Im sure after bug fixes, it'll do more than heir

[signal spade]

bad juju any day now

[fiery marsh]

Yee the godroll juju is nutty

Especially with upgraded perks

[polar summit]

@fiery marsh can u test furies with higher rof instead of mag size

[neon pebble]

Insta gives the ammo instead of a slight delay during slide

[signal spade]

youre running the 40% primary mod in that video right

[fiery marsh]

Then ill have to reload cancel in between for the full 16 second test

I like having over 120 shots in the mag

[indigo solar]

Peak tech

[polar summit]

Just for comparison

[indigo solar]

Glad it's finally useful

[fiery marsh]

Alrighty

[neon pebble]

Next is a reach because I dont think its a technical reload its a "load" but will check for the new On Reload from Ability artifacts with it

[half sun]

now where is the brave guy that said hellhest healing is 2nd rate

still not sure who to build

[neon pebble]

Rossi

I break him next after I do over 1mil dmg in 1 sig ability on gwynn

[half sun]

that evemt where you kill players and feed the thing to machine ...he doesnt do well there....can you pm me your rossi build

[neon pebble]

I can do 50k orbs × 14 right now with poop gear, when gear good hoping for 100k orbs 👀

[fiery marsh]

I kinda messed the reload cancel but here

[neon pebble]

I only have pre S4 build, S4 changed so much and added new weapons he is under testing

[fiery marsh]

Dunno if the 15% fire rate makes too much of a diff

[half sun]

sighs which means bench for now...guess its maru,gwyn, the other healer

[twilit thistle]

🤓chilling thrill vs thunderlord when.

[polar summit]

Yea you did more weapon dmg with higher rof even messing up on reload animation

[fiery marsh]

Interesting

I guess Furies III is in a really good spot now

[polar summit]

Also it took 9 seconds to run out of ammo, usually everything dies before that beyond bosses

[fiery marsh]

What i found interesting, when u use super, the meter generation are all about the same

So rof on weapon doesnt matter as much. But the dps on the gun makes the diff

[polar summit]

There’s an adept mod that goes on first slot that will buff even more your primaries

[fiery marsh]

10% firerate and weapon dmg

Im waiting for that

[polar summit]

Rof seems stronger but mag size more comfortable

[pine verge]

Same. What are your thoughts on firerate on arti slot 3? The bellicose precession

[twilit thistle]

I don’t even know how thunderlord is ever gonna be useful ngl

[twilit thistle]

I mean if u want to do less dmg and have more fun go for it

[fiery marsh]

I haven't tested it... but what I found funny was when I had 3 star inverted fury, bellicose pact and safeguarding blazar. They all hit the same damage numbers

So I might play around with a mix weapon/summon build sometime

[pine verge]

Well more accidents, and with t2 more explosions from your summons might edge out. They always use breath when first summoned too which is quite good

[twilit thistle]

All it did is run out of ammo faster wdym I maxed it and took it in the expanse

[pine verge]

Yeah I tested it briefly with an unupgraded precession and it seems alright. Ill have to max one out and try it

[fiery marsh]

Try it with inverted fury

[pine verge]

More rof, more hits, more summons, more accident damage. Using furies anyways so running out of ammo isnt an issue.

[pine verge]

Nahhhh im sure inverted fury will be worse than firerate lol

[twilit thistle]

Oh I thought u meant thunderlord

[pine verge]

I just run thunderlord on legendary kabr for fun lol

[twilit thistle]

Cuz I took that one in the arc expanse, and did worse than I did with heir.

[pine verge]

Not gonna bother investing in it

[crimson crown]

thunderlord is probably not for estella tbf

[pine verge]

Ye

[fiery marsh]

Except estela with full weapon dmg. Inverted+planismal... estela does more damage per hit than kabr running the same arts

[pine verge]

Furies is the way to go really. Heir is really good too though

[fiery marsh]

I tested that xD

[pine verge]

I dont want to completely neglect her on hit benefits. But yeah the corruption damage taken debuff is quite good for weapon damage

Estela herself does actual damage which I neglected until now lol

[fiery marsh]

It buffs the weapon dmg to an insane degree that kabr cant keep up

Which is kinda sad

[pine verge]

Are you talking about 4* kabr?

[fiery marsh]

Yessirr

[pine verge]

I mean thats pretty much expected isnt it

[fiery marsh]

Well everyone here said she does no dmg with weapons and summons do all of it

[wide dagger]

Exotic light when ?

[polar summit]

Inverted fury over bellicose pact?

[fiery marsh]

Been playing around with inverted too

[pine verge]

Yeah and they are completely wrong about that

[fiery marsh]

But farming a 5 star atm to test more

[pine verge]

Just testing it shows estela herself is a large portion of her damage

[fiery marsh]

Yee

[pine verge]

Which is why I wish she had better artifacts for overall damage %

[fiery marsh]

From the vids I posted kinda shows weapon dps is important

[pine verge]

But rof sort of works the same way

[empty kettle]

Exotic light?

[signal spade]

what are the substats in those videos

[wide dagger]

Yea so like after mythic

[pine verge]

Weapon dps and rate of fire in general given the solid proc damage

[fiery marsh]

Super, Damage, weapon, signature

[pine verge]

Im thinking solar damage weapon sig myself

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-akakichi-no-eleven-gif-6695986364367126664

[pine verge]

not a huge fan of super boost tbh

[fiery marsh]

Without it, your super won't be hitting 7.5 mil

[vast arch]

How much of that damage is from the super? Weapon damage will probably benefit more from matching elemental attributes

[wide dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-fighting-kick-air-kick-gif-1724417705250829699

[pine verge]

Of course its less damage from super. More without.

Just preference really. Not too far off but higher valleys

[wispy maple]

I been contemplating making 4 universal artifacts for my four main characters and just move them to a character currently being used.
Jaren HIkora Ning Efrideet

Could this be possible? I am thinking of using
Resolute Conjunction
Resolute Evolution
Curiojus planetisemal
Valiant veil

[fiery marsh]

I care about being about being able to phase the bosses asap xD

[pine verge]

In what?

[cobalt beacon]

@sharp talon

i might be him

[fiery marsh]

My universal ones i farmed

Ring of abundance, ring of conversion/healing veil, Inverted fury, bellicose planetismal

This kinda works on like almost everyone

[cobalt fjord]

i can do 18m with t0 in 20s

[fiery marsh]

With what build? I find weapon build estela with inverted+planetismal doing more than summon build due to not having t4-t5

Ppl laughed at me when I made that statement awhile back xD

[cobalt fjord]

let me check

[fiery marsh]

T4 and t5 are must haves to add to her summons damage

T4 buffs summon damage 50% when u debuff and t5 adds a flat 20% summon buff

[cobalt fjord]

thats mine

[fiery marsh]

Interesting xD

[cobalt fjord]

thats the orginal for her

[fiery marsh]

Why not reactive pact?

[fiery marsh]

Does 1% more than resonating for some reason

[cobalt fjord]

u mean responsive?

[neon pebble]

Top dawgs are Jaren, Efri, Ning, Ikora Hidden, Helhest. The new players have 3 options in standard Ning, Ikora Hidden, Kabr Resolute

[fiery marsh]

Yee

Responsive xD

[twilit thistle]

#1391469379853619282

[cobalt fjord]

becuse resonating better for boss dmg

if the symmon attacks what u attack u will get more dmg

[fiery marsh]

Doesnt matter xD cause when u hit them with the debuff, all summons target it for 48%

[cobalt fjord]

47%

[empty kettle]

Ning?

[twilit thistle]

😂 not true

[sage nymph]

since when ?

[fiery marsh]

It isnt

[cobalt fjord]

thats what it cames to me when i test it

[fiery marsh]

Responsive got buffed and doe 48% for 6 seconds everytime u summon

[cobalt fjord]

maybe i need to check again

[fiery marsh]

Its only a 1% diff so probs not noticeable

[crimson crown]

when did they buff responsive wtf

i been using resonating this whole time

[vast arch]

Responsive does 48% damage

[pine verge]

Ideally estela uses her abilities often anyways so uptime should be close to 100% too

[fiery marsh]

They buffed responsive but didn't touch resonating

[cobalt fjord]

it would be make a big diff for always 48% insted of using super

so i get ur point

[pine verge]

Corruption is 8 second cd

[vast arch]

Makes a huge difference in anything outside of a boss fight

[crimson crown]

guess i need another estella artifact then, damn

[pine verge]

And spamming summons out is the best damage since the breath cd is per summon

[vast arch]

and a negligible difference inside a boss fight

You will be using either S1 or S2 less than every 6s

[cobalt fjord]

i know for fact efrideet good with arc dmg but does estilla good with solar instead of super boost

[vast arch]

needs to be tested to know for certain

[pine verge]

I like solar more

But really it depends. It's more damage over the course of an activity but less damage while youre using super

[fiery marsh]

Not during boss phase... which is estelas main job

[vast arch]

Elemental is always better, the question is which stat can be dropped

[pine verge]

Super has 120 cd so like whatever imo

[misty fiber]

Maybe I'm stupid but can anybody tell me what is a blast weapon in that game? Is this spread weapon or what want NetEase today as bounty from ne

[fiery marsh]

It can be used 3 times in cordons atm

[empty kettle]

Spread of course

[vast arch]

Spead, Maru, Ikora

[cobalt fjord]

in my build right now i got 18 mil in 20s with t0 in practice range with my machine gun

[cobalt fjord]

rocket or grnade

[twilit thistle]

Especially using the proper Estella build where your focus is on maintaining overshield.

[misty fiber]

ah ok as expected. Thanks 😉

[pine verge]

Yeah big burst 3 times a run or do 15ish percent more damage the entire time

Including during your super lol

[fiery marsh]

People are trading super for solar

[pine verge]

Ya thats what im saying

[crimson crown]

yeah super boost on a 120s super is a tough sell

[cobalt fjord]

i worked hard today

[vast arch]

@fiery marsh can you test the super damage with your summon artifacts? I want to see super damage with just Super and then Sig 1 cast once

[pine verge]

Super when maxed is 33% more for the super itself and a 9% general damage boost for 6 seconds after casting super. Might be fuzzy on some of the numbers its off the top of my head

[fiery marsh]

Sure

But it lasts 13 seconds and responsive pact lasts 6 seconds

[vast arch]

Ok then recast S1 since it's only an 8s cd

[twilit thistle]

Super will give you a lvl 3 summon.

[pine verge]

Doesnt it just double corruption gain

[cobalt fjord]

in boss dmg t0 i feel resonating is better becouse if u sommun while they are already 3 in the map u just wiste a time for them to dmg its not worth the 1% of

[pine verge]

I dont think it gives you any corruption by itself

[wide dagger]

How to reach her 90k if all my stuff maxed ( without enmarane or wtv it called )

[vast arch]

I want to see the Super damage difference between weapon/damage/solar/sig and weapon/damage/sig/super

[pine verge]

Its not a waste even at t0 because they will cast breath on summon. Otherwise they only cast breath every 10 secs

[signal spade]

2 corruption 1 dragon

[fiery marsh]

I did it in 1 corruption xD

Similar numbers

[cobalt fjord]

i think im gonna test all of that

[signal spade]

im trolling cause i dont have overshield

im just gonna tickle with primary

[twilit thistle]

Summon printer go brrrr. No idea what the name of that is off the top of my head 🤷🏼‍♀️

[vast arch]

Why is yours 20s

[cobalt fjord]

u need to dmg too

[signal spade]

i just ssed when the dot fell off

[vast arch]

oh ok

[signal spade]

but i drop my overshield doing this

[celest robin]

Anyone got info on when/if bulwark ops coming back this season?

[signal spade]

im just gonna do summon-corruption-dragon then everything on cd til dragons gone

[cobalt fjord]

im gonna farm a little bit and test it and let u know

[twilit thistle]

🥺 nothing that I have heard of. It’s still there, locked away and hidden.

[signal spade]

thats 1 summon -> corruption -> dragon -> corruption

cause the 1 summon maintains the OS

[celest robin]

Sad times. Mode was dope

[pine verge]

I really dont like overshield on estela lol

[signal spade]

too easy to maintain

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar u rlly gonna let them do this testing without u

[signal spade]

to not run the better artifact

[indigo solar]

Ofc you did it in one corruption, super pauses the timer

[cobalt fjord]

if u t1 its ease to servive

[pine verge]

its fine for enabling the safeguarding arti

[cobalt beacon]

@sharp talon

[fresh moat]

🐐

[pine verge]

T1 doesnt trigger overshields

[cobalt fjord]

i know

[pine verge]

It does top you off though

[cobalt fjord]

ring does

[pine verge]

But DR helps you just not die

Hate dyin bro, need my dr

[pine verge]

Cant live without my fat DR

[fiery marsh]

With 2 corruption x.x

[twilit thistle]

😂 this is telling me u already know the answers

[signal spade]

yea this is summon -> corruption -> dragon -> corruption on cd

[vast arch]

ok why is this so much higher

[sharp talon]

dammnn thats crazy i have to try later XD

[signal spade]

i have my OS from the 1 summon

[vast arch]

4m more damage from 1 summon?

[signal spade]

from having the artifact procced

[last matrix]

hey does anyone have any news concerning a port to pc?

[vast arch]

no

[pine verge]

Im sold on firerate slot 3 now im now a bellicose precession believer

[pine verge]

my hipster build will reign supreme

[vast arch]

noooo i just lost my spike shell run to a crash

[twilit thistle]

@cursive depot they debating Estela again 🫠

[pine verge]

Spike shell is still up im pretty sure

[fresh moat]

What’s even the debate 🥲

[pine verge]

All this for a character ill play in a strike omegalul. Looking forward to the harder activities like prestige gauntlet

[violet minnow]

Bro is that 4:4 resolution 😂

[fiery marsh]

Its from a galaxy fold xD

Feels like im playing on an old school crt tv

[violet minnow]

Damn what a hero

[twilit thistle]

The bis I showed came from Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN], and slothh. 🤷🏼‍♀️ that’s what I’m saying the ppl that know this like the back of their hand are mia

[pine verge]

Bis for what though

[fiery marsh]

Is this running solar over super?

[signal spade]

its both

[vast arch]

I'm looking at attributes, not artifacts

[signal spade]

no weapon

weapon with this del5 pulse or whatever is beans, if i did furies id prob try weapon stat though

[neon pebble]

It does not count as a reload so it does not proc the artifact, hypothesis was correct but if it did work it was worth looking into because broken af then

[vast arch]

damage/solar/sig/super

[fiery marsh]

Don't think any estelas running those attributes

Weapon damage is tough to swap out

[indigo solar]

First one should deal 1.1485 * 1.099 = 1.262x damage, second should do (1 + 0.1485 + 0.2332) * 1.126 = 1.556x damage

[pine verge]

I used to when I drank the "weapons are useless" koolaid

Weapon is too good for every character to not use lol

[fiery marsh]

Ooof

Thsts a big ooof

[indigo solar]

Yeah makes sense it wouldn't, if it did then it wouldn't save the weapon perk effect

[signal spade]

estelas the only one i dont run it on cause realistically you dont notice the ttk of anything going down enough from your weapon damage

but you do notice when your dragon and 3 little bros are doing 15% more

[pine verge]

I certainly notice my gun doing 40% more damage

Suddenly my gun is no longer a tickle monster

[signal spade]

which gun

[indigo solar]

This one would do (1 + 0.1485 + 0.2332) * 1.099 * 1.126 = 1.71x damage

[pine verge]

Furies

[signal spade]

yea if youre running exotic primary that makes sense

cause youre buffing it like 4x with your heavy

[indigo solar]

Most Estelas don't run weapon

[signal spade]

id prob run weapon if i were furies'ing and drop super stat

[pine verge]

Thats exactly what im doing

Even the heavy is useful too just for stripping shields and breaking shinkas

[fiery marsh]

Idk ur chatting with 3 estela players running g weapon enhancement xD

[pine verge]

Furies for everything else

[signal spade]

unload your gun joldr for 20 seconds and see what you get

[pine verge]

They got jebaited

[vast arch]

I can't actually participate in this test beacuse my Estela is T2 😭

[indigo solar]

Man your summons should be doing a large portion of your damage

NTM buffing summons buffs heal strength

[pine verge]

the gun also does a large chunk of her damage though

[signal spade]

no reload cancel such is life

[pine verge]

Specifically furies anyways

[fiery marsh]

Interesting that furies lll did the same damage as gallows xD

[pine verge]

Gun damage is also buffed by her corruption too, which I completely overlooked in the past. The accidents are one thing but the debuff also increases damage taken from guns im pretty sure

Furies is just that guy

Actually goated

[signal spade]

gallows is bad i just dont wanna upgrade anything else

but thats with 0 weapon stat

[pine verge]

I never drank the gallows koolaid

[signal spade]

its good for expanse

[pine verge]

I was team heir b4 getting converted

I just use a different character for spread lol

[indigo solar]

Yeah furies builds may want weapon but at least for expanse you def want to swap to a super build for each boss stage

[twilit thistle]

🫠 wardriff coil is so bad in sg

[indigo solar]

I'm so close to getting c3 furies

Only 36 months left

[fiery marsh]

I think if a primary can match gallows dmg without solar boost its pretty darn good xD

[fresh moat]

You can’t actively be telling people to brick their accounts like this

[signal phoenix]

Which one is good ?

[indigo solar]

Furies is really good now with the mod changes

Throw on a +40% primary to your LMG

[signal spade]

i think if you put the solar on though youd gain way more

[indigo solar]

It's not a brick

[fresh moat]

Heir would still outdps it tho lol

[indigo solar]

No

[signal spade]

because the solar buffs your furies and the dragons

[indigo solar]

Not by much at least

[pine verge]

Super still does solid damage either way. Idk if its more total damage to use super in the time limit of a boss stage. But what I do know is I aint farming allat

[fresh moat]

Not by much is a wild statement

When doing more dps is the goal

[fiery marsh]

I dont have solar boost though. Running weapon, damage, signature and super

[indigo solar]

I mean like <5%

[signal phoenix]

Thanks for the help I appreciate

[pine verge]

It doesnt actually lol

[signal spade]

yea im saying if you swap weapon for solar it has to do more

[vast arch]

did you miss this?

[indigo solar]

But at the cost of being limited by ammo, having windup, and worse shield coverage

[bitter estuary]

Balls

[signal spade]

because youd buff the dragons by 15% and lose 25% on your gun

[pine verge]

Exactly bro

[indigo solar]

Since you can use a mythic LMG for any shield coverage but popping elemental shields takes way longer if you're using a mythic primary to do it

[signal spade]

but the gun is nowhere near enough of your total damage to make up for the 15% buff on all your abilities and dragon

[pine verge]

Furies eating good with the rapid fire exotic mods all buffing it

[fiery marsh]

Thats what ive been doing.. LMG to pop shinkas and shields and furies iii for the dmg

[fresh moat]

I mean to each their own but when you get to end game. Good luck with furies

[indigo solar]

Yep, was just talking to tsunamy explaining furies is actually really good now

[vast arch]

Heir did ~500k more than Furies

[signal spade]

im pretty sure joldr youll gap both of our videos with solar over weapon

[pine verge]

LMG actually feels good for breaking shields on multiple elites too which is nice

[vast arch]

in 16 seconds

[fiery marsh]

Heir did 2 mil more dmg in 16 seconds than furies III

23 mil vs 21 mil

[vast arch]

I was looking at the weapon damage in the final screen

[fresh moat]

Lmao 2 mil is a lot but 🤷🏾‍♂️

[indigo solar]

3.733M vs 3.275M

[fiery marsh]

Except running with a garbo mythic pulse hurts for the majority of the runs xD

[indigo solar]

Look at weapon damage split

[pine verge]

wild take

[pine verge]

Real

[indigo solar]

Heir did ~14% more damage

[fresh moat]

Wilder than suggesting furies? I mean I guess, how viable is furies in expanse upwards of 40-50

[signal spade]

i think if you think super is better than solar than you should really think solar is better than weapon

[vast arch]

How viable is Estela in expanse upwards of 40-50 is the real question

[fiery marsh]

40-50 is arc right now... better running tlords

[pine verge]

I just use efrideet for that I wont lie

[signal spade]

i cleared 70 with her

with gallows

[pine verge]

Estela is pure pain in high expanse

[signal spade]

and the bad strike pulse

[pine verge]

I cleared up to mid 50s and just rolled my eyes

[fiery marsh]

Ooh nice!!

[fresh moat]

I’m not dunking on Estela just furies sucks

[signal spade]

this cleared 70

[pine verge]

Furies does not suck though

Objectively not a bad choice at all

[indigo solar]

And yet it's what the highest Estelas use, it deals nearly as much as a heavy without being ammo limited, and it gives better shield break options

[pine verge]

I dont even have c2 on it and I prefer it over heir

[pine verge]

A bit less damage for infinite ammo is an easy choice

[karmic chasm]

Is this you 😭

[indigo solar]

No

[pine verge]

And more versatility

[indigo solar]

I've only done expanse to 30 for the breakthrough

No point in me running further rn imo

[vast arch]

The new mods are buffing furies a decent amount with more damage and higher fire rate

[pine verge]

I might take my estela back into expanse for fun once I get her up to speed

[karmic chasm]

I imagine you love the update bc it gave freedoms to us to grind

[signal spade]

i dont feel like swiping for furies but im pretty sure weapon damage gets gapped by solar damage

im actually positive it does

[karmic chasm]

Feels more like a proper Destiny game at least

[pine verge]

Thats why you drop super instead

[indigo solar]

Yeah but unfortunately I've been crazy busy since it dropped so I've barely been able to play at all

[empty kettle]

I. Need. More. PULLS!!!

[pine verge]

But weapon damage actually does go hard on primaries especially

[indigo solar]

Think my highest is only 90k rn

[signal spade]

im talking about jldr not running solar

[pine verge]

Its almost 50% more primary damage

[karmic chasm]

Me too bro. I’m sooo behind. Guess my power on Efri 😭

[indigo solar]

(Technically less than the shown value)

[signal spade]

yea but in high cordon youd rather insta phase the boss in pretty much every strike/activity or 1 tap the shinka

[indigo solar]

Since it's additive with other attributes

[karmic chasm]

Same I need her t4

[pine verge]

Yeah im just citing the increase in a vaccuum

[indigo solar]

94k

[signal spade]

nobodys puttin estela in the lineup to watch the dragons clear things

[empty kettle]

I'm saving mine for the void warlock

[signal spade]

theyre doin it for the big boss push

and if you dont 1 phase a shinka youre actually crying in the corner

[pine verge]

Shinkas are getting toasted anyways, and damage is done throughout the entire activity. Not just for 13 seconds every 2 minutes

[signal spade]

yea but your cordon timers not dropping drastically from killing red bars with dragons

it is dropping drastically from instaphasing bosses

[twilit thistle]

😭 that’s super high up there

[signal spade]

or insta deleting a 2 billion hp shank

[fresh moat]

94k is high. Not many hit 100k+

[signal spade]

super stat def just better last week in cordon and its not even close

[pine verge]

In practice I doubt it'll come down to just estela having specifically super damage to push the boss. The damage is not that far apart.

Maybe in super high dire I guess

Estela wasnt even on the dire side last cycle

[signal spade]

it doesnt need to be dire for push timings to be valued though

[pine verge]

It kind of does

[signal spade]

doing 10 like 15k power under

[cobalt beacon]

efrideet better than jaren?

[signal spade]

is no different than doing dire 15k power under

[pine verge]

Dire isnt just power though

It scales every stage afaik

[cobalt beacon]

@sharp talon stage 80 is easy but i suck

ive gotten superclose

[pine verge]

10 is w/e even same light under comparatively. And fulminator was just easier than the diffusion strike

[signal spade]

theres not really an argument though here youre only bringing estela for boss damage

otherwise youd just bring ning or something

[pine verge]

Estela does more damage than ning all the time, not just in bosses lol

Unless its pure aoe

[signal spade]

which is 90% of the content that isnt boss damage

[pine verge]

Nah not really you need punch for overlords and shinkas. Ning struggles with that, especially because he relies on heavy ammo to deal real damage

Ning's speed was his biggest selling point in endgame

In harder stuff he runs out of ammo and is practically useless

[fresh moat]

Not too much on efri

[kindred token]

mannnn the grind is real in this game! ive been doing nothing but Singularity chaos for the last two weeks grinding for upgrade materials for artifacts to max out!

[river vigil]

think of all the bright dust you grinded tho

[kindred token]

foreal!

[empty kettle]

Enough to get a character

[fiery marsh]

Thats why in still running estela in this cordons cycle despite no rapidfire xD

[karmic chasm]

89 💀

[kindred token]

i even started to auto dismantle mythic & lower artifacts just to get more materials!

[signal spade]

swap your weapon stat to solar your damage has to be better

[kindred token]

wait how much bright dust do i need to get a character?

[fiery marsh]

Even the running off element weapons?

[signal spade]

furies is on element though right

[pine verge]

Nah weapon is mandatory fr

Furies and the arc lmg for shields/shinkas

[kindred token]

i even grinded out materials to max out huckle! im thinking about dropping that exotic grenade launcher Wolf has to get something better

[signal spade]

your weapon doesnt even do half the damage of your summons over the course of anything

solar too good

[pine verge]

Solar is a much smaller buff than weapon is

And you can always just drop super instead

[fiery marsh]

I think its because it buffs all her other abilities as well

[dusty spire]

Ok gonna just rely on what I’ve built now until next banner need to hoard for it

[pine verge]

Yeah exactly

[signal spade]

yea 15% on your super and the 3 little dudes >> 25% on your gun

plus the actual corruption nuke itself 15% upped

[pine verge]

Not having weapon will make your guns hit like a wet noodle

[signal spade]

youre missing the point of the conversation and continuing to talk about something we're not talking about lol its weapon or solar

[fresh moat]

Lmfao so you wanna dump dmg into your weapon and not your abilities?

[signal spade]

solar > weapon

weapon or super is its own convo

[pine verge]

With weapon they do non-negligible damage

Particularly furies

[fresh moat]

See the problem now

[golden spade]

Honestly, with the new update u can run so many characters

And now im back on estella. She is so much fun

[fresh moat]

You basically gotta hinder yourself in order to make them viable

[pine verge]

It's not really hindering yourself

[signal spade]

furies also does no aoe so over the course of the activity the solar stat just goated

[pine verge]

Estella barely does any aoe either way

[fresh moat]

…. What? So losing ability and super buffs isn’t …

[pine verge]

You gain damage in other places, and do more damage under different scenarios

It's not just as simple as hindering yourself

[fresh moat]

The damage you lose from super and abilities, where do you make it up at? Like what substitutes it in your case

[kindred token]

mannn after watching videos for jolder ive had to swap artifacts to match it. just wish i could get all my materials back ive wasted on previous artifacts ive used. the ones the person was using made his weapons for jolder do massive damage even with the arc sword kakalik

[pine verge]

It's simple really, it's a choice to be better at other things and optimize for different advantages over the course of a run

[signal spade]

you can be really good at killing a red bar tracer shank or you can delete two shinkas and phase a boss in 10 seconds

[pine verge]

Your gun? lol

[fiery marsh]

I run full radiation arts on jolder... its a much cleaner playstyle without feeling restricted on using abilities

[pine verge]

You're talking about the difference between phasing a boss in 10 seconds or 11 seconds

[fresh moat]

So you rather shoot than let your dragons nuke?

[signal spade]

youre not though LOL

[pine verge]

It varies, obviously

[fresh moat]

It’s definitely not that small of a difference

Your crazy if you think the difference between shooting and abilities is 1 second

[pine verge]

It's not like im shooting my gun and not using abilities

[fresh moat]

With what you’re doing. Might as well be

[signal spade]

im just saying joldr will push the boss faster dropping the weapon stat

[twilit thistle]

👀

[signal spade]

if i had the mats to max furies to test i would

sad boy

[kindred token]

like Healing, Rampage, Bellicose ones?

[twilit thistle]

Flame has aura

[neon pebble]

Iron Bore 😭

[pine verge]

Biggest problem fr

[fiery marsh]

I know its subjective, but every morgrans run i randomly encountered you, I did more boss dmg and elite dmg xD

But morgrans is ez though

[pine verge]

I completely ignored furies until recently because I just didnt have mats for it

[signal spade]

i am brain off in there holding w waiting for the round to end

[pine verge]

Only messed with it and weapon stat after trying the new mods

[kindred token]

also why cant i share images? just curious?

[signal spade]

im also not signatured

[pine verge]

Same

If you have extra mats id give it a try I think youll be surprised like I was

[polar summit]

@fiery marsh which mods do u think is the bis for Jarens shotgun?

[kindred token]

my jolder is now 85k power

[polar summit]

I still don’t know what to pick on 3rd slot

[fiery marsh]

Haven't touched jaren in awhile. Ask likely or rawr

[pine verge]

U can use energy conversion or shinka/shield on jaren shotgun for 3rd slot

[kindred token]

how do you get stats to level 10 for artifacts?

[pine verge]

Impact shinkas are a big problem when youre under light so it helps ther

Otherwise 40% primary damage is hard to contest with

[polar summit]

1 and 2 are bis imo, idk about 3rd tho

[fiery marsh]

Or just run jolder xD popping impact shinkas in 1 hit since the beginning

[pine verge]

Idk about that slot one myself

The close range dmg one is what I use

[twilit thistle]

Shepd is nice 🥺

Be gentle

[polar summit]

It’s the best trust me. It says multiple targets but it counts with only 1

[pine verge]

3rd is just situational

[polar summit]

And it gives the most bonus dmg between all

[pine verge]

Oh really thats good to know

Maybe it works like surrounded?

[polar summit]

Maybe, when I tested I had 5 servitors in practice range, and was doing the same dmg if hitting multiple or single

[pine verge]

Ill have to try it out sometime.

But yea id use energy conversion for 90% of content and electron ammo on stuff where you need to break beefy shinkas

[twilit thistle]

Don’t need to. I have a lot of these maxed, the firing range is just one of our benchmarks.

[signal spade]

rip the 20 second test then

[drowsy cypress]

when new roadmap?😏

[signal spade]

just summon -> corruption -> super -> unload furies and press everything on cd

[twilit thistle]

U didn’t see

[empty kettle]

If you use those bright dust for the seasonal engrams you can get condensates for different characters

[twilit thistle]

Hold on I gotchu

[polar summit]

Ye that seems nice

[kindred token]

i think i got 18k bright dust

[pine verge]

Buy 10 engrams a week

[polar summit]

For expanse it’s definitely electron ammo, not sure about cordon tho

[pine verge]

If u wanna have most cost effective use

[pine verge]

Depends on stage, sometimes you can just ignore the impact. Also boss stages

Stuff being situational is what I like most about the new mods

[drowsy cypress]

We need leviathan raid🫃

or machine wrath

[twilit thistle]

They aren’t even keeping it well maintained

It is concerning.

[polar summit]

Ye sometimes I think on just putting Warner ammo mod that seems the best all around since it works with both primary and heavy

[empty kettle]

I don't even think we are getting wrath of the machine, but something else that could be related to siva

[pine verge]

I usually avoid warner when I use exotic primaries

[fiery marsh]

So we gonna see jolder die?

[empty kettle]

Nah, but instead of it being a normal siva, it's a light enhanced siva

[twilit thistle]

Not sure if the game can support a raid like that. That’s my concern, it looks like the original team is gone, and their code is so sloppy the new team has issues correcting it.

[polar summit]

It’s cos unlike efrideet, most of Jaren’s dmg comes from heavy and abilities

[fiery marsh]

His primary is there to really build stacks xD

Thats why TLW still so good on him

[twilit thistle]

I still pull for Jolder and get Ning/tan. t1 Jolder still

[pine verge]

I havent messed with it but you might be losing more ammo too with warner. Idk how the rounding works.

Either way damage when you run out of ammo is a concern for me in expanse. I have to save shotgun shells for killing shinkas lol, so I do a lot of primary damage between dumping blazing shot in stag protection

[worn musk]

[pine verge]

TLW does add up

[rotund wind]

[pine verge]

Speaking of I kind of want to try TED on jaren

But 2 many mats needed

[drowsy cypress]

but bew raid and dungeons are much better than old ones

[cobalt beacon]

qworpzzyyyyyy

[worn musk]

Hi I shy

[cobalt beacon]

bounce on me

[worn musk]

🙅🏿‍♀️

[rotund wind]

ted tech is the way

[kindred token]

i used all my bright dust & didn't get a single condensate material

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/airball-air-ball-ball-basketball-hope-gif-16067754010491213168

[kindred token]

swish

anyone uses Tan-2 for anything?

[river vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-gif-18219884

but in all seriousness you can use him if you want to, I just dont see a world where I would personally use him instead of umeko

and I dont even use umeko atm

[summer ledge]

Is the forge chance just extremely low or am I unlucky? I have tried about ten times now and it didn't even overwrite. It just failed every time.

[visual rain]

Tan died when helhest was brought into this world

[kindred token]

ahh i haven't used umeko. i have umeko but haven't used it

[kindred token]

idk if i have helhest

[visual rain]

She's fun if you like big number

[kindred token]

i do like big numbers

[visual rain]

do you have T2 for her?

[kindred token]

im sorry what?

[visual rain]

Do you have umeko's second talent

[river vigil]

I might use umeko or tan if dr adds third iteration to the game

[visual rain]

The one that gives you big banger shots

[kindred token]

one sec ill go look

[river vigil]

I'm not a big fan of scouts currently

[limber pine]

I got t6 umeko and only used her once in IB lol

[visual rain]

Scouts aren't even bad but the characters that use them are