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[sharp talon]

ill be honest idk about eternal death on jaren. it fires so slow and feels terrible bruh

[gray crypt]

https://discord.com/channels/1267806213656023071/1492776191659348069 idk i got this

so if i can somehow get an ultimatum better than that then I'll run it

[worn trench]

Ngl, some of the game’s shading makes stuff look AI generated

Especially Efrideet, kinda

[empty kettle]

Search on reddit "r/insanitybound

[modest tiger]

Ty

[visual rain]

but 100% damage buff

also who is eternal death i only know ted

[sharp talon]

i heard it was bugged and not giving 100% buff

[visual rain]

oh idk

[sharp talon]

it is good for sure, but its very situational i think

[modest tiger]

Unless I’m going octant I’m using till eternal death 100%

[worn trench]

Ngl, I kinda wanna try working on a Sweet Business build. It’s prob not gonna be great but it’s objective truth that Sweet Business is one of most awesome weapons conceptually since its dawn

“I love my job” is a perfect sentence to describe it

[sharp talon]

wolf uses it in the promotional material but its not made for him 🥀

at least wolf looks cool with it

[sharp talon]

go help him kill the servitor

[worn trench]

Yeah i know Satiyaaliksni is his real stuff, and it too is cool

But SB is the OG

[bold fog]

eyes up guardian there's a servitor

[empty kettle]

Back to work lightbearer, that servitor won't destroy itself

[worn trench]

“someone help take down this hostile!”

[gray crypt]

i think i somehow just got a better Ultimatum than i did OS edict

[obtuse chasm]

I honestly think it’s giving more than 100% on efrideet

I was using it earlier put 7 shots on final encounter boss for onslaught and it just kept climbing

I may be trippin tho and not counting my shots right in the encounter

[misty marsh]

resonating transit vs undaunted spiral? obvs on efri

w undaunted im hitting 219k (cloud, last node locked) but i haven't gotten a decent drop on the other one to test it

[worn trench]

OverSoul (OS), Hive computer system

That’s how they hacked Bungie and made the portal

[gray crypt]

Yes this is true

[worn trench]

It’s Oryx’s way of taking D2

Actually who do ya’ll think is stronger in lore, Riven or Njorun?

[worthy oak]

How is NA population ? EMEA is pretty dead o

[gray crypt]

Njorun probably

[worn trench]

What makes you think that?

Like both are undoubtedly formidable but didn’t Riven basically survive the raid?

[last matrix]

anyone know if theres been any news concerning a port to pc?

[worn trench]

Nothing so far unfortunately from my knowledge

Peak pfp tho mate

[last matrix]

diabolical

one day we'll get it

[worn trench]

I’ve been enjoying mobile myself but I can see the reason in it

Rising is somehow almost becoming less expensive and toxic to play, and more fun, than D2

Sparrow Racing, actual effing content, the lack of the Portal and its systems, etc etc etc

[empty kettle]

Riven is stuck on a loop

[gray crypt]

Her Curse did, i don’t necessarily think she did

Plus she lost her clutch and had to be brought back by Mara Sov to be of any use

[true dock]

poob

my jaren is powerfil

[gray crypt]

i wish i was over 60k

but ts takes forever ugh

[bold crow]

Is the 5 minute fire encounter challenge still bugged??

[wide dagger]

[brisk moon]

should i spend my blackmarket tokens on battle pass weapon tokens or is there a better usage

[bold fog]

bpass

[visual rain]

and photon :)

1.5% drop rate is criminal

[lavish carbon]

it's 4min to make it count but yeah still bugged you don't get it with 5min

[visual rain]

wdym 4 min

the triumph definitely says 5

[lavish carbon]

yeah sherlock but you need 4 to make it count

triumph proccs only in under 4min

[visual rain]

You said it's still bugged so which one is it

[lavish carbon]

if description says 5 and you need 4 it is bugged right?

[visual rain]

eh that's more of a typo

[lavish carbon]

if you say so

[visual rain]

Bug would be it doesn't work like at all

Or it could just be that they meant to make it 5 min and it is written correctly, but it's only counting 4 min

[lavish carbon]

aka still bugged

[visual rain]

I feel like they meant to do 5

with randoms one time I almost got under 5 and we were moving very fast

[lavish carbon]

did under 4 with 3 randoms

[visual rain]

yeah this was a day or two after it came out so probably faster now

I am not looking forward to speedruns tho it's just gonna be rng 😭

[lavish carbon]

technically you only have to guess the first one and preserve 1 ball

[visual rain]

Oh ok so, somehow this guy who didn't even know the mechanics managed to keep a ball around, but if we rng'd that run that makes sense

I was so confused but I get it now

Yeah 1/3 isn't bad at all

[dusty spire]

Grind day lol I got some time for chaos lool

Lord pinnacle energy let me chill loool

Now I gotta work the game every other day 😭 lol

Also risk runner procs on jolder?

I noticed arc aura when using it

[slow ridge]

Good grindy night time to sleep soon! Gwenn is mine soon!

[swift garnet]

This is a incredible performance. What artifacts are you running?

[fleet juniper]

Hey now I feel offended 😆

[swift garnet]

I completed this under 5 minutes a few times, but it won't register the achievement for me

[astral bear]

I did in under 4 and it didnt work

[fleet juniper]

It unlocked for me when doing a run in 4 Minutes and 20 seconds

Make sure to skip the intro

[swift garnet]

That's a rapid time and without reward...

What do you guys think of Ring of conversion for Estela? Is it better than healing nutation?

[lavish carbon]

*2 randoms 😂 ❤️

but you were not in vc

[acoustic coral]

do we know if quests from this season phase can be completed if we advance to the next one?

[cyan tide]

Yes

Well, except the ones that are tied to great hunt since that's going away

[fleet juniper]

🤝

[compact blade]

What are the dynamic emotes for reaching max proficiency??? Why are they lying to me

[acoustic coral]

thanks

also, about those Great Hunt quests, will they auto-complete after it's done? cuz I've done them and they are still there

[cyan tide]

It's this thing

Looks like this in-game

[cyan tide]

Hopefully

[acoustic coral]

oh, so we don't know? sweet lol

[half sun]

returning player here, have they made a site with build and play guides yet?

[red frigate]

Not that I’ve seen. Most folks just check the leaderboards for various activities and copy those builds

[half sun]

bahhh humbug

[dusty spire]

😩

[empty kettle]

Level 100 artifacts

[dusty spire]

lol :/

[empty kettle]

They better introduce them in act 2

Rather than later

[dusty spire]

What and do the whole thing all over again ?

[river vigil]

I'll just stay in the mines and keep prepping for them XD

[dusty spire]

🥺

[empty kettle]

The option is either introduce it now while we are still grinding or introduce it later when everyone already have maxed lvl 90 artifacts

[dusty spire]

It would be ok if new gear level meant different types of arts ect

But all this is was a reset

[grand panther]

Im return to this game in into build crafting and always wanting the ”best” what’s currently the strongest character/build?

[river vigil]

I just learned you can also transfer the refactor values :T

[dusty spire]

Huh?

Oh yh

[river vigil]

I was auto refactoring my new artifacts before doing the transfer :T

[neon pebble]

#1391469379853619282

[neon pebble]

A hard reset we didnt need. Pinnacle could have been dropped and we kept old systems

[dusty spire]

I’m annoyed that we have chosen grind and not progress over time lol

It’s the same thing but just done differently

Now what I could have accumulated from just a daily attendance of 30 mins to 1 hour during the old pinnacle system requires way more than 1 hour to accumulate

Ok we have the ability do unlimited grind at low value take in but after you’ve completed your objective the time premium to do so could really burn one out.

Guess I’ll eventually find a loop that I can work with but yeah it’s more work to progress now, but at the least higher power scales should be appreciated as it’s not as easy to max out now, could change as we go into higher phases

[empty kettle]

94k on my wolf

[dusty spire]

Meh
Used to get 24 infusion cores minimum a day lol

Not even from playing much lol

Now you gotta do the whole legendary campaign 8 times lol

Or use 2x mats to half

[half sky]

💀

[empty kettle]

We know

[half sky]

Better be free got no pulls

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-akakichi-no-eleven-gif-6695986364367126664

[neon pebble]

The higher power scales will make group finding even harder. We made fun of 70k power when we were at 75k. What we gonna do when we 150k and everyone else 100k

I feelya the grind now is stupid for any working adult with a life

[half sky]

Simple stop bulling new light

[dusty spire]

Yup

Now it’s not so bite sized lol

Wish they just put more emphasis on us participating in activities giving us bonuses for turning up during power hours ect

[neon pebble]

Casuals are now ultra casual. I could spend $5-10 a week and make up for my no grind. Now I cant spend at all to catch up

[dusty spire]

Like play sg between x time x and drops rates increase and a resource drop during that time.

They need to hoard us together at time and the raid is one example so why not do it with SG?

[frozen tree]

The emanare system or whatever it’s called is just dumb lowkey, I don’t wanna dump resources into progression that’s temporary

Artifact system I do not mind much at all. Could use some tweaks to help make getting your god roll easier but other than that it’s ok

The weapon system is pretty bad now. Exotics won’t be too bad once phase 4 hits and we can get 4 cores per run guarantee, but photons are still atrocious, and don’t even get me started on mythic weapon grinding

[neon pebble]

I like Emanare more than the old Compass system

[neon pebble]

Realistically. 1 month grind per lightbearer = 12 maxed lightbearers in a year for f2p

[frozen tree]

I think emanare just takes too many resources you’d rather put towards permanent upgrades for your characters, and attributes too much to your max light

[neon pebble]

Its absolute last thing you max... like you have nothing else to make your dude better so you emanare

[frozen tree]

I put like 6-8 hours into farming for sniper drops of ist and I still don’t have it maxed. I’m missing second perk level 5 and both perks are missing one of the enhanced trait rolls to make it adept

[sullen depot]

Emanare system was a way to stop hoarding. Not saying I agree with it but netease doesn’t want pple to hoard mats

[neon pebble]

No pinnacle just free farm

[frozen tree]

I think hoarding mats is apart of the fun

[neon pebble]

It stopa future grind and lowers retention

Players will say "i dont need to play I have all my resources already"

[sullen depot]

Bingo. They don’t want a new character to come out and boom u max it in 1 hr

That’s how it was oldnsystem

[frozen tree]

That’s where you get retention from having people do activities for their leafs and pulls, also with exotic resources that are more limited

[neon pebble]

Was glorious

[neon pebble]

Limited time cosmetic events and push more cosmetics in shop

[sullen depot]

I’m so surprised they haven’t don’t anything to fix or do better cosmetics in this game. That’s the true money maker

[frozen tree]

Things like weapon cores and tuffs and clusters should eventually be abundant once you play enough, things like specific artifact drops and weapon drops and exotic weapon stuff are the things we should be farming for consistently

[empty kettle]

Destiny players do have a hoarding problem

[neon pebble]

Imagine we got a wearable in game T Shirt that said "I went to Crota and all I got was some 🧀"

[frozen tree]

They gotta nail that feeling of an ever growing arsenal and let you get stronger and stronger through choice of builds and weaponry that d2 had so well

[dusty spire]

It’s the same thing before with the that season upgrade thing we used to have just revamped, they have made these materials easy to get. But yeah I’m not sure how it’s gonna feel going through this phase stuff all again with em?

[neon pebble]

We better not phase each season

[dusty spire]

Surely we keep the permanent upgrades right?

[frozen tree]

I hope the phase thing is a one time thing for this season as a soft reset. I hope it doesn’t come back

[neon pebble]

Does that mean weapons reset?

[sullen depot]

Only thing we know so far that resets is emanare

Everything else is speculation

[dusty spire]

This

I think it could only be emanare

[frozen tree]

Let us keep progress, have the chase be for new weapons and character farming, not constantly going back to catch up our old weapons and builds. Permanent progress is a must in both gachas and looter shooters

[dusty spire]

It would be hella stupid to reset all the power cap progression

[empty kettle]

The infamous lvl 100

[dusty spire]

I don’t mind emnare being phase since the last season progression buffs always reset

[neon pebble]

Its time to grind, Rossi needs to be peak

[dusty spire]

That’s the system lool :/ I was finding it hard to figure the name lol

This just leaves 😩

[cobalt beacon]

im boutta bounce

[empty kettle]

Could be possible that its for s6?

[dusty spire]

100s better come with an addition perk looool

[neon pebble]

Should I push my bow to unlock 2nd perk upgrade on each or stay with 1 perk upgrade on each and move on to artifacts or mods?

[dusty spire]

Like they are completely different from anything under it lol

[neon pebble]

It was only a compass for Jaren/Maru, it was something diff in S1 and S2 lol

[dusty spire]

If it’s just another power lift to accommodate inflated numbers I’m not for it

[rocky nebula]

Did they disable bots in Onslaught? My buddy can't find anybody to do Break/In

[neon pebble]

Bricks dont bounce they break 🧱

[cobalt beacon]

im trapping now

[neon pebble]

Oh no livin in an unc house

😜

Do i mods or artis?

[obtuse chasm]

I think the change for 80 to 90 will be entirely different compared to 100’s the only reason it changed for 80’s to 90’s is because they implemented an entirely different system

[neon pebble]

Iron bar, best answer bet

NA 👀

[placid verge]

Not sure if this is the right place for this but I am trying to acces my account I played from Launch to late Sept 2025. I have multiple purchases on the account and am not trying to transfer it from a different device. I am playing on the same device I originally played on. I have tried to use all gmail accounts that would've been connected to it and both just make me start a new game. I also never had a a transfer code as I never planned to play the game on a new device (and haven't). What am I supposed to do?

[obtuse chasm]

I got you bro I’ll get you access

[empty kettle]

Imagine they give us a new system for the relic abilities

[worn trench]

Idk if that’s good or bad

[obtuse chasm]

I think they’ll hesitate just a bit in terms of big changes like they did this time seeing as they had a bit of backlash

From the noobs who can’t read

[worn trench]

Maybe relics do need more to them cause it’s kinda the screen you finish off the fastest (except for that one upgrade that needs 8 clusters, ew)

[neon pebble]

#💁│ingame-tech-support

[placid verge]

Thanks

[empty kettle]

Something similar to the fragments system that d2 had with the subclasses

[neon pebble]

Do we get multi choice for build depth like heres a few options make your kit?

[worn trench]

I think that’s the idea

Ngl, actually, just a thought here

[neon pebble]

That would be fire

[worn trench]

Imagine if you could like pick 3 of your 6 talents to equip like that kinda

Sure it “nerfs” everyone but it makes you have a choice?

[empty kettle]

Any effect you can think off but it's limited to that element

[neon pebble]

Relic Weapon mods, has 3 slots. Each one effects a diff ability

[obtuse chasm]

Everyone would just end up using the same build anyways for the most part, you’d still see 90% of the player base come in discord and ask “what’s bis”

[worn trench]

Shush

[neon pebble]

Make Relic Weapon mods reset each season and add new ones in, seasonal rotation to spice up builds

[obtuse chasm]

It’s the truth tho….

[empty kettle]

They could always add more fragments as the game goes on for more diversity

[worn trench]

Even if you are right I think you’re a prick so I don’t care

[worn trench]

Ngl tho, I honestly don’t think we will ever get dark subclasses

[obtuse chasm]

Lmao, why am I a prick? Because I didn’t agree with you before? Grow up

[worn trench]

(As in strand and stasis)

[obtuse chasm]

And get good

[worn trench]

And that’s ok,

[empty kettle]

Which is why we should get more out of the light

[worn trench]

It has nothing to do with you not agreeing it has everything to do with you saying I apparently don’t deserve an opinion

To each their own, I don’t judge about that.

[worn trench]

Such as?

[empty kettle]

The ability to give our characters abilities some effects

[worn trench]

No doubt.

That or I wish sentinels would have more relevance

We haven’t seen Wolf’s wacky new form since those 2 minutes he had against Buhr

You can’t just leave it hanging like that

[obtuse chasm]

I’m curious, what’s your ign

[worn trench]

Why do you ask?

[obtuse chasm]

Just curious, I’ll share mine if you’d feel more comfortable

[worn trench]

I mean I’m kinda new but I’m a vet of D2

I couldn’t do contest mode because it was near Passover

[obtuse chasm]

Idc much about contest and care absolutely none for that trash game called d2, sorry… my opinion, but anyways yall continue your conversation I was just curious

I’m gunna go back to grinding

[empty kettle]

The sentinels could be way to explain a new fragments system for the characters as a way to improve them

[keen oasis]

Silly questions but do buffs stack such as artifact 3 - using ability boost damage for 8 seconds

And artifact 4 - reloading boost damage for 15 seconds.

[neon pebble]

Holy cringe af

[obtuse chasm]

We’ve moved on

[keen oasis]

Like they both provide a buff or one overwrites the other

[neon pebble]

Still cringe

[empty kettle]

One boost ability dmg while the other boost dmg in general

[obtuse chasm]

Dont care, stop sitting and disc and go play the game

[neon pebble]

Its a good time to be new, even us global launchers are having to learn this new system right now

[neon pebble]

Im trying to be friendly to new guys and get the game alive again not bully them 🤷

[keen oasis]

Thanks just trying to figure the best way to stack as I’ve always ran phantasmal

[neon pebble]

They both add for ability dmg while the other boost all dmg also

[obtuse chasm]

Glad you’ve turned a new leaf, last time I remember you were doomposting and arguing with new players, anyways have a nice day I got stuff to do

[frozen tree]

They should do more with relic screen I agree. Once you finish it, it’s just the screen you ignore for upgrades

At least maybe give us a few things to choose between, like perks for each character they can swap around

Granted that won’t change too much since people will just select the best ones and then never look at the screen again, unless they really balance the options and make them unique

[neon pebble]

@obtuse chasm hereya go bud 🤔

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah that’s the problem, not many people want variety, they just want what’s best. Would be nice if that variety was needed in some way for some type of event forcing people to pick a playstyle and group with others that had differing playstyles

[obtuse chasm]

That’s not a new player… and does not correlate whatsoever… i don’t even know why im opening your messages I have you blocked for a reason

[neon pebble]

Diff content, diff builds 🔥

[bitter estuary]

balls

[empty kettle]

Could lock the fragments into the characters elements like adding scorch into one of your solar character that didn't have it before on their ability

[neon pebble]

To still have convos with me?

[worn trench]

I thought you said that people that didn’t clear contest mode raid cannot input on it

That’s why I think ur a prick, beyond the fact you don’t really argue in good faith.

[neon pebble]

What if could add a scorch effect to wolfs shots so he can proc weapon mastery without ability usage?

[obtuse chasm]

Why are you so adamant about me caring about the raid? You’re a new player get to grinding instead of arguing in the disc

Move on

[cobalt beacon]

Damnnnnnn

[neon pebble]

He doesnt like when he gets called out for bullying

[cobalt beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[obtuse chasm]

I prefer ragebait but to each their own

[cobalt beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/beef-alarm-gif-24503358

[cosmic trellis]

Question: do I use my 36 pity carry over to get t3 Gwynn or just save for the next character’s probably necessary t1/2s, I have 38 boats saved and have no idea if I should keep them

I barely use Gwynn obv but is that %30 increase worth it in case she gets buffed

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/grill-and-chill-bbq-barbecue-grilling-summer-vibes-gif-8817357394766283925

[obtuse chasm]

“Bullying” on a game/disc that you can easily just turn off 😔

[neon pebble]

Victim shaming now also 🤣 😭 💀

Fr I pinged ahamkara so hard it lagged out

[obtuse chasm]

How is that victim shaming? I’m saying if you feel bullied you should probably get off the internet

[cobalt beacon]

Were getting silenced

[neon pebble]

Lol Don dont like good jokes

[vast arch]

You can’t talk about cheats in here and if you do you’ll probably be banned from the server

[neon pebble]

Sorry Don 🙏

[cobalt beacon]

What a commi discord server

[neon pebble]

It was jokes

[cobalt beacon]

Ill just use them instead thanks

[neon pebble]

💀

[vast arch]

Keep yapping

[cobalt beacon]

Sorry that im trying to share with the peeps

[neon pebble]

Thought I was blocked for a reason 🧱

[obtuse chasm]

Fine bro, I’ll give you the attention you want

[cobalt beacon]

I gotta lookout im on my last straw too

[neon pebble]

RIP threats

[neon pebble]

Just make a new account real quick, i got to start over clean slate

[cobalt beacon]

Technically thats not ban evading right?

[obtuse chasm]

Another mute incoming

I got muted for sharing the same thing 😭

[cobalt beacon]

I havent been banned yet

[cobalt beacon]

Wow this server reminds me of a historian leader

Idk which one but

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I had an argument about the rule awhile back lol, but ended up just backing off of it

Need the Dr disc for carries

[cobalt beacon]

Real

[vast arch]

It's cute that's how you think alt accounts work

[bitter estuary]

the balls

i wanna build efri but i dont want another hunter ngl

[empty kettle]

I don't think that's possible without triggering one of his abilities for it

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-behind-gif-6022425001452360653

me turning around to see if there will be another rapid-fire character

[empty kettle]

Gotta pray for the void warlock beekeeper

[bitter estuary]

true

[obtuse chasm]

Precision void

I’m manifesting it

[empty kettle]

Noooo

Enough with the precision characters

[stark forge]

noo we need mythic void precision

[empty kettle]

Pls I need this my rapid fire character is kind of missing

[obtuse chasm]

See this man gets it

[stark forge]

rapid fire is weak shoot 500 boolets cant kill a red bar

[obtuse chasm]

Rapid fire needs a huge buff tbh

[worn trench]

I beat the raid already on hard mode, I’ve been back to grinding already. I don’t even know what to add anymore.

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah and idc? Like I said move on, unless you’d prefer we go back and forth rn?

[empty kettle]

Then it's better that the next character should be rapid fire, so that we can get a good gun

[obtuse chasm]

I’m over that conversation

[obtuse chasm]

Valid, but even with a decent weapon rapid would still be mediocre

Unless it was a summons based character like Estella maybe

Beekeeper and summons do make sense tho

[empty kettle]

The ability description does give us some hint about it being a summoner with those purple balls

[obtuse chasm]

95% of what I say in this disc is ragebait, because 95% of this disc is casuals. So idc about y’all’s opinions.

[obtuse chasm]

Lowkey hope he’s fire

[empty kettle]

They got Enough time to finish them (unlike Efrideet)

[worn trench]

Disc?

[obtuse chasm]

Floppy disc we’re bringing it back to the 80’s

[worn trench]

Flat earth mentioned

[obtuse chasm]

Is this passive aggressive efrideet hate I hear 👀

I will not stand for it

Anyways buff the goat legendary Kabr

[worn trench]

On the latter I can agree

Tho he’s called The Cooler Daniel, not Kabr

Regular “Kabr” is just Daniel

[empty kettle]

4* kabr weapon mastery is pretty strong with the right weapons

[worn trench]

Almost anything is pretty strong with the right weapons and such

Basically every character can be viable and run anywhere

[empty kettle]

[obtuse chasm]

You finish that thunderlord yet 👀

[worn trench]

Some are just better and some more miserable (Umeko in expanse for example)

[empty kettle]

Not yet

[worn trench]

Actually speaking of, I got the exotic choice engram for the hard mode raid

Should I get wardcliff and hope I am in time for Hairkora, or go Thunderlord?

Or cloud strike for Efrideet (tho I already have Crimson..)

[obtuse chasm]

Cloud strike is only good on efrideet if you’re f2p

[empty kettle]

Thunderlord or cloudstrike

[worn trench]

Why?

[obtuse chasm]

So I’d prefer crimson over cloudstrike if you already have it built

And go thunderlord

[worn trench]

Like I’ve seen people run repeated Wardcliff ammo, almost infinite, on Hairkora

[marsh mist]

Wait wut

[worn trench]

Idk if that’s T0, probably ain’t…

[obtuse chasm]

Damage numbers don’t lie fam

[empty kettle]

You have to be real close to the target with wardcliff

[obtuse chasm]

It’s good for f2p but ist is pumping higher dps

[worn trench]

I don’t have it fully built yet but I have it at the very least

[karmic chasm]

Frrrrrr I love him and I could have a wicked strong build then

His laser needs a buff in particular, even with his talents

[obtuse chasm]

He’s the sole reason I want to farm thunderlord lol

I want to make him viable at least for the memes

Full Kabr clear on a raid for leaderboards?

[karmic chasm]

Oh wait shooooot I forgot which Kabr you were talking about. Buff both

[worn trench]

Can Rossi even use Thunderlord?

[obtuse chasm]

No, Rossi is bow and crossbow

[worn trench]

Oh, wait, no, Kabr, Mb

[karmic chasm]

Nah I’m talking about the Kabrs

[obtuse chasm]

Legendary Kabr yeah

[worn trench]

That’s what I thought

[obtuse chasm]

I’m going to make him viable and run a 6 man stack of all kabrs for next raid

After first completion

Idc

[worn trench]

I ran Kabr against Zau’ul

Legendary Kabr

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah but I think it would be funnier to have a team place with full Kabr on leaderboards instead of the normal meta you see

I’m sure I could kill him with Kabr but I want the world to see a 6 stack Kabr team

[worn trench]

Ngl, that’s true.

Tho a 6 team Rossi would be funnier

Rossi is probably your average Assyrian King in his past methinks

[karmic chasm]

Rossi has so much aura it’s ridiculous… and then all his damage options hit like a wet noodle

His super should boost damage that passes through it, his bubble cooldown should be shorter, etc etc

[worn trench]

We wait for the day he has a Legendary version; “Rossi-11, Second Coronation”

[karmic chasm]

Fr

[obtuse chasm]

Idk why I’m in the disc rn, I need to farm cores for the cordon push on Monday after level 5 arts drop, yall have a good day, or night

[karmic chasm]

I’m still doing a void setup to see if I can get Mute Potion to pop off

Building that rn

[neon pebble]

Nah its main account now, google didnt like me making a gmail for every game I play 🤣

[worn trench]

Ngl, I like Tan-2 but his run animation is a bit ridiculous

[karmic chasm]

Wait can they stop you with an IP?

[neon pebble]

Groll number1 🔥 15 floors

[neon pebble]

Prob could, but VPN do exist and so do phone number makers if they want a phone number verification like some servers do

[karmic chasm]

Oh right

I constantly switch my phone number to my alts

Hopefully they don’t catch on

[neon pebble]

🤣

[neon pebble]

Did you see my Pranayama slot2 video? 💀

[karmic chasm]

I did not

[karmic chasm]

What is it healing for again? The only reason I have ring there is just a get out of death free card. Plus it gives overshield with the 3rd slot damage scales off of

[neon pebble]

Recovery triggers mid first jump, so fast 💀

[karmic chasm]

Oh from jumping?

[neon pebble]

No, it shortens recovery interval stack it with recovery substat

It will get faster with better arti and have a 82% chance when hit to keep healing

Imagine just needing to find cover for .5 seconds to full heal

[karmic chasm]

That is pretty cool

[neon pebble]

Why are my base stats not budging when I refactor?

[empty kettle]

Need better artifacts

[neon pebble]

Are the base stats RNG now and not upgradeable?

[empty kettle]

Yep

[lone lion]

Lol

[neon pebble]

Bro nuh uh

[empty kettle]

But you can atleast get a better base stat on another artifact of the same name by transferring that over to your main

[neon pebble]

Double as hard now, have to get proper substats and get proper numbers

Thats bunk af

[empty kettle]

Just start with the substats first before going for better base attribute points

40×4 on a single artifact is good enough

[karmic chasm]

Wdym? Look all the way over on the right and they should be going up

[neon pebble]

The base on left doesnt though

Broooo!!! I have solar bow doing 225k a shot while my Jaren does 225k with a whole TLW mag 💀

[stark forge]

the base on the right is the base on the left

[neon pebble]

Left is base, right is bonus

Refactor only effects bonus now

Rossi could be him, but people will just use the tech on HH and show him up 😭

Imagine HH salvo bow outdpsing RC

[vast arch]

refactor only effects the stat on the right, transfer can move base stats (the stat on the left) from one artifact to another. Find your god roll, then farm the same artifact to find a high base stat and then transfer those to your god roll.

[neon pebble]

Thats too complicated

Lol unmaxed solar bow isnt far behind, and if void bow is pushing better numbers than solar... i also forgot I can use a mythic power weapon with mods to boost the Bow even more

[vast arch]

What is complicated about that

[neon pebble]

I have to farm a bunch of similar artifacts, mash all the substats together until rng spits out the 4 I want. Then I need to rng more for the right number on base. Then I need to rng refactor more.

Extra steps unneeded

Old way with substats base and refactor was cool espec now that we can unlimited farm refactors

[vast arch]

Except you don't need to do it that way. If you want you can just farm for your 4/4 like before. The new system just gives you an additional method of obtaining your 4/4

[neon pebble]

It makes us have to farm for substat bases also not just substat types

I lucked into this 4/4 and now its not good enough because base arnt maxed

[vast arch]

Still, that is similar to the old system. I wouldn't waste mats upgrading an artifact from 1300 I would farm for one that has a higher natural drop first.

[vast arch]

That is a great artifact and can be used as is wym

[neon pebble]

Old system we could max refactor an arti and transfer it all over to new G Roll 4/4 arti...

[vast arch]

The only reason you need to go higher on the base is if you're trying to squeeze out max power from your artifacts. And if you're trying to do that you'll need to farm for it. Seems simple enough to me

[neon pebble]

I should be done arti farming for slot3, instead I am stuck in mines rng for small gains

[neon pebble]

Its an extra step compared to before, we didnt need the extra step

[vast arch]

you will hit 10/10 on that artifact with those base stats

[thorny frost]

The difference between 40 and 45 is less then a 1% damage increase.

[neon pebble]

Rossi needs it all, no ascend

[vast arch]

But it shouldn't make a difference once we are at 5 stars, right?

[thorny frost]

Just pointing out in the end it is really just for literal min maxers. The difference will likely never be game breaking

[vast arch]

And if you are min maxing then you will have to grind it out just like any other game

[neon pebble]

I get that, but old system was easier

[vast arch]

I don't understand where the issue is with that. If you don't want to grind then you have no business trying to min max a build

[neon pebble]

Its not an opinion cry and whine thing, its a literal "they made this crap harder for no reason"

Could have easily not made base stats RNG 6-7 months into game when they werent rng before

Simple

[vast arch]

Except it's not harder. They gave us more power with the new system. You can reach your old power with your old artifacts. If you want to reach the new, higher power level you need to utilize the new system.

[neon pebble]

The new substats arnt any higher than the old? It was like 45 cap before or wss it 50 cap?

Its just the stars are higher and gear level on them is 90 not 80

Thats power increase, the substat perks didnt change any and neither did the 1-10 tiers

[thorny frost]

We don’t quite know that yet, of stat increases happen through out phases getting a 44/45 or so artifact might be a lot easier by the end of the season. Where before the amount of pinnacle needed to max one artifact was basically an act unless getting lucky. Now it is ~45 chests to finish the right side.

[twilit thistle]

Alot of artifacts were actually balanced

Most of them are not the same as they used to be, which can lead to confusion.

[neon pebble]

Its just wild, why make something rng that wasnt before

[vast arch]

I had no maxed artifacts before S4 because I was too worried I would run out of mats. All of my new artifacts are max refactored now

[thorny frost]

Keep in mind with level cap increase all of our refactoring would have not mattered on the old artifacts we geinded (stats randomized when leveling up the + 10 levels).

[vast arch]

seems like a net positive to me

[neon pebble]

That sounds like a bad bug

[neon pebble]

I spent real $ to get capacitors and pinnacle energy just to max mine, rip 🪦

[karmic chasm]

Saaaaammmmmmeeee

[neon pebble]

Makes us some real idiots

[karmic chasm]

Not happy about what they did. Artifacts should have been able to be raised just like weapons

[thorny frost]

It probably was intended. It costed less to enhance low level artifacts then maxed ones. So they didn’t want people to bypass to much of the farm

[neon pebble]

Now we shouldnt complain when new system isnt easier after we spent and had that flushed down toilet

[vast arch]

Have you sent an email expressing your concerns?

[neon pebble]

Imagine artifacts going adept with double perks 😍

[neon pebble]

Several

[vast arch]

Good, hopefully they'll do something for those that spent money on refactors

[neon pebble]

Small oversight, quick last minute bandaid. Legit

[karmic chasm]

Just let us take old artifacts straight to level 90

[thorny frost]

It was the same concept as now, it would force us to regrind each level increase.

[neon pebble]

They gave us that kick back for having overstock pinnacle energy 🤣 "construction fund"

[thorny frost]

Just people didn’t notice it as no one maxed low level equipment

I noticed it just due to some testing

I don’t want to grind like 1k+ refractors just to max one artifact even with the new system.

[neon pebble]

Took me less than 300 refactors to go from full 0 to full 45

New system refactor is a joke, its just "input material" slot machine

[thorny frost]

In the new system yea, the old one was like 1k I believe if not getting semi lucky

[vast arch]

Was the old one not worse?

[neon pebble]

By time you farm perfect g rolls you have enough refactors to max sets

[neon pebble]

Nah, because base stats accounted for alot. You could hit tier10 substats without being maxed out

Im sitting at solar lvl 7 and I have 2 max refactor artis on

[neon pebble]

How does that work?

[vast arch]

And what is the star level?

my 3* artifacts are tier 8

[neon pebble]

Does star level effect base stats or increase refactor cap?

[neon pebble]

Still lower than 10 we had before

[vast arch]

Tier 7 is equal to level 80 tier 10

[neon pebble]

No

What? No

[vast arch]

yes, higher stars increases your multiplier on your attribute stats

[neon pebble]

Why it so hard to hit tier10 now compare to before

[vast arch]

It will be easy when you have 5* artifacts

[empty kettle]

Not hard, just gated

[neon pebble]

I feel like we beta tested since launch

[thorny frost]

O that is totally star level, a 5* lvl 90 needs less the. 30 on the left side to reach max bonus

[neon pebble]

Dumb

[thorny frost]

+max tier bonus.

[soft bobcat]

Been saying all along S0-S3 was basically open beta early access

[twilit thistle]

I think a lot of this could be solved by simply updating the menu itself to feel more rewarding/oddly satisfying (🪝), in a way that conveys information better. I’m surprised they haven’t added better crafting in general to the game 🤷🏼‍♀️ like for the dice that randomly changes a stat on an artifact, its value is so low now.

[neon pebble]

Smartest man of them all

[thorny frost]

Each star level adds another 20% to your stats. So 5* is +100% while 4* is +80% stats.

[vast arch]

Star level changes this number

[neon pebble]

So when gates lift and I 5star it I will be at tier10 max?

[vast arch]

yes

[thorny frost]

Tier 10 will be easy with 5*

[neon pebble]

Dont lie to me don

[vast arch]

Only reason you need to worry about the base stat is if you are trying to max your characters power level

And for that you need to play the game

[cyan tide]

You need 75 points from base score to reach tier 10 on an attribute

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/big-worm-friday-bigworm-gif-16107160608703735509

[signal spade]

Emanare the real final boss

[thorny frost]

A 45/45 artifact should get you tier 7 at 5* (180 stats)

That is one artifact

[neon pebble]

Ermm soo with new system... whats the highest tier we can reach with 1 substat? Iirc it was only tier 5 before for solo

[vast arch]

Check what tier this is 180/330

[neon pebble]

Almost opens the door to use diff substats now 🤔 like stack the dmg bonus and wpn enhance and splash into the others...

[neon pebble]

How

Im New Light all over again

[vast arch]

open an artifact and select the substat to see the tiers

[karmic chasm]

That’s how I feel too

[vast arch]

It's ok, us veterans will guide you 💀

[leaden epoch]

Are there any notable guns where the best perk set isnt double thumbs up?

[empty kettle]

Us?

[thorny frost]

Yea I need to sit down and crunch some numbers in the future, but matching stats might not be the play for all stats now. Some damage ones will probably still like it

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[cyan tide]

180 is tier 5

[robust sequoia]

Does emanare reset at season end?? The eternal grind for materials has been instated??

[dark gulch]

good morning

hope everyones morning is better than mine

[empty kettle]

It does

[signal spade]

im hoping they let us bump our artifacts from 90-100 when they do eventually let us take em to 100 otherwise i think the discord will blow up so will everyones desire to play

[thorny frost]

So apparently if you have even one lvl 80 artifact equipped it is lower? Odd

[vast arch]

Yeah you need to check with all level 90's

[leaden epoch]

Won't hear anything from me, I'll uninstall and leave the discord the day it's confirmed to not be upgradable 🙂

[robust sequoia]

There are several… sorry, I don’t know them off the cuff.

[signal spade]

it took me less time to max/make artifacts on 4 characters this patch than it wouldve taken to make 1 on the last

[thorny frost]

I crap @neon pebble my bad u need to relook at things

[vast arch]

They don't scale well which is why I imagine we didn't get a direct to 90 path

[neon pebble]

You sure? 180 is needed for lvl5. Looks like we will need full maxed arti if 180 is a 45/45 arti

[signal spade]

well all they had to do was make a button to change a t5 80 to a t1 90

[robust sequoia]

Longer to max, easier to get 4/4 substats… think I preferred easier to max at 3/4… over this new system.

[dark gulch]

jezibaba

what guns are you wondering about

i like Bold and met on jezibaba 🙂‍↕️

[cyan tide]

You only need 330 to reach tier 10, fully maxed artifact gives 360

[leaden epoch]

In general I'm just trying to clean up inventory

[dark gulch]

also good scout rifle for Umeko??? (mythic)

[thorny frost]

I feel like a noob now, my bad >.>

[signal spade]

but my prediction for next banner is void with sidearm/smg + heavy GL with colony as the battle pass weapon

solar characters arent real

[neon pebble]

Lvl 5 is 182

[robust sequoia]

Sidearm and GL would be nice.

Need impact/spread! or I’m going to have to build Jolder…

[cyan tide]

It's 180, look closer at your own screenshot

[empty kettle]

That's more likely to be a 4* with those dmg archetype

[robust sequoia]

Impact/spread Arc… then everything would be ‘sufficiently’ covered.

[neon pebble]

I know 180 is base, just showing them a higher number than they said being lower level

[vast arch]

I am positive. The highest tier is 330 points and the 5* multiplier is 200%

((330 / 2) / 2) - 45 = 37.5

[thorny frost]

So I wonder if the total doesn’t change till you put 4 artifacts of lvl 90… could there be a play to keep one artifact lvl 80? That way you get more tiers with lower stats?….

[neon pebble]

This makes sense, discourages use of super on 1 and sig on another for 75% effect each. Now its stack same substat or lose out hard

[cyan tide]

That's always been the case

[vast arch]

lmao making up issue now

[cyan tide]

It changes as soon as you equip one lvl 90 artifact

[neon pebble]

Yeah with what they told me I thought new systen gave us new cool stuff, they was wrong

[dark gulch]

lemme know what you have. Delete everything with no double mythic perk for sure

[dark gulch]

the most OP profile pic

[robust sequoia]

However, 5 in the 90s system is almost equal boost to a 10 in the 80s system.

[neon pebble]

They said 180= 7tier now not 5 @cyan tide which meant id use 1 sig 1 super now. But it still =5tier so I still have to stack

[dark gulch]

someone fixed my emanare and i ended up with 500 more power

[empty kettle]

Who's this "they" you speak off?

[neon pebble]

This guy 😜

[leaden epoch]

Thanks its okay, honestly I have lvl 80 double mythics sitting around for most combinations of most guns at this point. I just wanted to know if there were only a few non double thumbs up worth keeping and I'd clear the rest out. I'll just make room as needed with guns I barely ever touch

[bitter estuary]

balls

[drowsy cypress]

yes, emanare will reset

[neat valley]

lvl 100 artifacts next?

[signal spade]

then 110 after that

[thorny frost]

So the tool tip wasn’t changing for me when I equipped a 90 so I kind of based it on that (I had all but one lvl 90 equipped). I should have sat down and did the math instead of just trusting it XD.

[empty kettle]

Level 100 weapons

[thorny frost]

@neon pebble sorry for the confusion a created. Didn’t mean to give misinformation

[neat valley]

imagine we have to grind every new set all over again

[signal spade]

imagine we didnt though

[empty kettle]

They could just make it seasonal

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-dog-question-mark-gif-23128484

[empty kettle]

Like temporary

[thorny frost]

I am hoping level increases only happen each major patch. I don’t doubt this will happen but every 6 months is better than 3….

[cyan tide]

The artifact tab is kinda buggy since the update, you have to back out to let it update

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

Lol jk you all good

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[cyan tide]

Tier 10 with lvl 80 artifacts vs tier 8 with lvl 90 artifacts

[signal spade]

i dont think we see level 100 artifacts til september

[thorny frost]

Yea I am realizing that now….

[thorny frost]

No I deserve to be mocked XD when I get something that bad I need to be out into my place to make it so I am more diligent next time.

[neat valley]

they prob just will soft reset ever yseason

[empty kettle]

Enough time for us to get some materials

[neon pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

You AI or human?

Humans make mistakes, we're cool

[signal spade]

nah the emanare is already enough to grind each season plus itd be awkward to add 10 levels to guns and everything else without a major campaign or expansion to play through

unless they started absolutely dumping currency on you, you wouldnt be able to even keep up with your guns by next season

[cyan tide]

Lvl 100 is probably going to be like previous season's level 90

[empty kettle]

Every expansion our level will probably increase until they decide to turn it back to lvl 30 as a light level instead

[signal spade]

yea i mean maybe we get currency to send stuff to 95 next season

[bitter estuary]

1 day left till we can grind (lc adept 3)

[signal spade]

like the stuff we had in season 2/3

[dusk socket]

til eternal death review with band 2?

[thorny frost]

I try my best not to as when I led previous guilds in other games people always came to me for the math part of things. Normally I didn’t mess up to badly

[empty kettle]

They should do something similar to solstice of heroes but iron banner themed

[bitter estuary]

will do, next week ig

lowk i cant push myself to grind when theres no adept 3 🥀

[empty kettle]

With cosmetics for all characters

[cyan tide]

Fr, 2 cores per run instead of 3 makes such a big difference

[signal spade]

send the triple dump currency into it and get 12 per run

[bitter estuary]

it requires 156~ runs on adept 2 and 111~ runs on adept 3 (assuming weeklies aren't counted)

to get 390 cores

[cyan tide]

40 extra runs, at 2 mins each that's over an hour of extra farming

[bitter estuary]

true

[leaden epoch]

With all the new artifact systems is there any path for taking the fully upgraded stats on something like a 3 star artifact and moving it to a 5 star?

Asking just because of how rare the currency is for upgrading a 3 to a 4 star

[vast arch]

I stopped farming artifacts for that exact reason. I will start again once we are able to get 5* artifacts

[thorny frost]

You can move all of the base stats over to the new artifact. But it looks to be an all or nothing situation.

[compact blade]

Is that 5 minute season quest bugged ???

[leaden epoch]

Yeah you can move base stats, and I get how the attribute refactor option works, but like right now I couldnt even upgrade a set of artifacts for one character to 4 star

[compact blade]

We did 4:28 and still didn’t get it

[elder wing]

Definitely you can! I have 3/4 star and this reset I can go up to 4 star then next week to 5 star with the acc essense

@leaden epoch if you have the god rolls as 3/4 star just keep them and wait for phase to go up and then you can upgrade the star lvl

[leaden epoch]

I have 24 occultation essence. It takes 6 to upgrade 1, I can just barely upgrade one character to 4 star. The only sources to get more are the expanse and the seasonal shop.

[leaden epoch]

But when I do that, I lose any of the +45 upgrades

[elder wing]

Yh fair. Well if you haven’t already wasted any recourses on low lvl star you can wait 1/2 weeks for higher star and then farm and then upgrade! I have enough now so just waiting for the phase to go up

[leaden epoch]

Basically the system is designed to not play the game for a good few weeks if you want to have characters ready for endgame.

[thorny frost]

O I am hoping for more areas to farm occultation essence… there is not enough that I can currently see avaliable atm. I am hoping later phases have activities you can get them in.

[leaden epoch]

Yeah I think I may be done at this rate. I'll wait to see how much Occultation Essence is available but the new system kind of already wasnt respectful of people's time with how much they wanted you to be in Chaos.

[elder wing]

Yeah what I did is get my 2 characters that I play a lot to 4 star artefacts then I will upgrade them to 5 with the acc essense then my 3 char I can just farm all at 5 star + I have 10 choice cheat saved for 5 star phase

[leaden epoch]

Just seems like bizarre choices where it's not just timegating but actively encouraging people not to play

[thorny frost]

The lumination ore (star levels for weapons) and occultation are the biggest complaints I do have with the new star system.

[leaden epoch]

oh and it costs 12 of them to 5 star one?

[thorny frost]

I have saved most of my artifact farming for 5* phase. Mostly been working on weapons/mods as I have a ton of the weapon stuff from previous seasons

[limber pine]

Idk I got mine done

[leaden epoch]

How do you have 96 occultation essence to upgrade them from 4 to 5 star?

[limber pine]

Just max out some mid artifacts and call it a day til 5 stars are dropping lol

[leaden epoch]

Im not farming a whole additional set of artifacts and then upgrading them to +45 across the board again

[compact blade]

How fast you did it ?

[limber pine]

I wouldn't have e done that til max levels were dropping ngl.

[leaden epoch]

I honestly thought the game wouldnt have such poor design in terms of its economy.

[limber pine]

But at least u CAN upgrade them as it goes

Just need the materials

I saw this coming after phase 1 and called it a day

[leaden epoch]

Which are limited to expanse and seasonal shop which I already bought, hopefully they add more

[leaden epoch]

I get the decision you made, just saying the fact its one to be made is bad economy design.

[dusty spire]

Glad I maxed catalyst as much as I could before the season 4 update 😩

Cut a lot of grind out

[limber pine]

I mean it's pretty straight forward each phase better stuff drops. I'm sure there will be more ways to aquire the materials. I hope anyways for your sake lol.

[leaden epoch]

Eh, if there isn't I'll uninstall and move on. That's better than the alternative.

[dusty spire]

Btw impact arts only work with impact weapons right?

[limber pine]

I just pray level 100 don't come out and our 90s aren't upgradable lol

[dusty spire]

This is my jolder impact set but my question is will the effects only work on the sword?

That way I know how to scale this, if so I need to slot most multiples into power weapon on the emnare?

[dark gulch]

first 4 star oml

[crystal yoke]

So I should wait until phase 4 to decrypt exotic artifact engram?

[dark gulch]

probably

i waited until 3 for some of my previous ones

[limber pine]

Idk if that really matters it'll still be a lvl 90 artifact either way

But yeah it'll have a chance to drop at 5 stars

[crystal yoke]

That’s kinda what I thought. Thanks

[leaden epoch]

You should wait until a 5 star is guaranteed

[crystal yoke]

It’s worth it to wait yea

[empty kettle]

It can still drop lower than a 5*

[leaden epoch]

Unless it's possible to get the essence you need to upgrade to 5 star other ways in relative abundance, you'll regret it

[leaden epoch]

I guess wait until the best chance then, because without economy changes, it's kind of a waste otherwise

[modest plume]

tbh i want to play, but not being able to matchmake reliably turns me off. Dead is dead

[thorny frost]

To be fair once you can farm them it isn’t to bad. You just need 1 5* then you can work on making it a perfect by transferring base stats and substats (even if rng based)

[leaden epoch]

You can't transfer substats though right?

[empty kettle]

Yes

[thorny frost]

You can, it is just 1 at a time based on non matching substats

Rng which of the non matching are transferred over

[leaden epoch]

The substat attribute itself moves over, not the upgraded substat value I thought

still bad even if thats the case

[thorny frost]

That is the base value I was talking before where it is all or nothing. Once you get a 5* you can just build it up using the features we do have is what I mean. You don’t need to farm necessarily for the perfect one.

[leaden epoch]

If you think bringing an artifact from +0s to +45s is not bad you're crazy.

Like you have a different perception of time 🙂

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[thorny frost]

I think you are missing what I am talking about…

I am talking about the idea of waiting to later phases to farm them for “better chance” of getting a 5* now

[limber pine]

I'm doing this also.

[leaden epoch]

I understand, I'm talking about people who bothered to play the game to try and do some endgame content.

[crystal yoke]

I maxed out some 3 star lvl 90 for Efrideet. Seems kinda grindy to re do all that

[limber pine]

You said it yourself, you are CHOOSING to do this. So why complain afterwards? 😆

[leaden epoch]

Basically having people wait weeks through a non-timegate timegate when there already is a timegate is wild.

[thorny frost]

I already agreed with your comment there needed to be more upgrade star mats for artifacts tho. I was pointing out that it isn’t a wait to last phase to farm tho issue.

[empty kettle]

Really confusing

[limber pine]

I guess that's why materials aren't a problem for me.. I'm not choosing to waste them on time gated items.

[leaden epoch]

Anyway there isn't really anything I can do about it at this point. I just wanted to see if there was anything that could be done about it based on what was currently known.

[hollow gazelle]

Pls can they buff gwynn before the banner so they make some money

[empty kettle]

A rerun before something better comes along

[crystal yoke]

Are we waiting for lvl 100 and 5 star to drop? When will lvl 100 be dropping?

[leaden epoch]

lvl 100 would be next season

[crystal yoke]

Ahh ok

[thorny frost]

I think this is a good conversation either way, even if all of us have slightly different views. We do know that they check the discord from time to time. If they see this conversation the one thing to note is that no one agreed that they would willingly farm much in the early stages if possible due to it. It is frustrating for those who did as there aren’t enough upgrade mats, and the other side just is mostly ignoring it till later.

[empty kettle]

That's speculation tho?

[leaden epoch]

Seems likely given the UI but that's fair

[hollow gazelle]

If she isnt buffed ill save my pulls till they reveal the next 1

[crystal yoke]

Destiny: Grinding

[hollow gazelle]

I already got t1 anyway

[empty kettle]

Regular destiny in a nutshell

[crystal yoke]

I’m not complaining I wish I was around to play D1 and would probably start playing that if I had a console. I have mobile so this is my introduction to the game. Love this game tho!

[hollow gazelle]

A destiny classic would go so hard

[leaden epoch]

If you have a PC, there is a bundle you can buy basically of all D2 for ~$20

[hollow gazelle]

Give us d1 on pc with all the quality of life from this game

[grave kiln]

You can carryover the refactor values through attribute transfer, so farming now just lets you play higher content now without any sunken cost since you can attribute transfer your refactors onto a 5star artifact

[crystal yoke]

I would do that in a heartbeat if I had a good cpu

[leaden epoch]

Sorry, when you say that, if you have an artifact that is something like 40+45, 41+45, 39+45, 40+45 on a 3* artifact, there is a way to bring all of the +45 over to a new 5* artifact?

[empty kettle]

Yes

[leaden epoch]

How do you do that? I was asking that originally and was told no.

[grave kiln]

Yes the attribute transfer option that transfers base stats can also carry over the refactor values

[cyan tide]

Attribute point transfer also transfers refactor score

[leaden epoch]

Really wish I had the opportunity to talk with you first 🙂

[leaden epoch]

Thanks, I thought it was only the base based on what people were saying

[misty spindle]

I tried it by refactoring once and then transferring, it did not bring over the +1s, but maybe I did it wrong

[leaden epoch]

I'm trying to find a case where I have a higher * artifact and a lower one I upgraded as we speak

[cyan tide]

Iirc there is a window that asks if you also want to transfer the refactor score

[leaden epoch]

I havent done many because of how much it takes

Dont have an example, will just have to wait until I do and try it

[thorny frost]

For science… they need to work on their tool tips

Lesson for today is don’t rely on their tool tips right now

[thorny frost]

@leaden epoch it looks like the refactoring did transfer over… although these are the same star tier….

[leaden epoch]

Yeah didnt have anything to test myself that was a higher star tier, will be able to confirm this next week probably. That would be a decent path forward. A little inefficiency for impatience is an acceptable trade.

[cyan tide]

I think this is straightforward enough, you can choose to keep the original refactor score (idk why anyone would choose this) or transfer the one from the fodder piece

[twilit thistle]

Imagine if we could mod it 😭 I bet there would be so many mods improving the experience

[twilit thistle]

@visual rain

[hard forge]

Can u not get thunderlord or wardriff now until next week start?

It isn’t in exotic weapon reward

[cyan tide]

?
Just farm the encounters

[twilit thistle]

The last one 😭

It was pain unlike anything I had ever experienced. Over 1 hour and not one clear

[bitter estuary]

no one understands how to do the comms

[neon pebble]

@karmic chasm bruh ima cry hard tears. Rossi kit has fallen behind 😭

Efri and Hairkora can do crazy crap like Jaren

Its over

GG

[karmic chasm]

Well yea Efri is so easy

[neon pebble]

Lol yeah she is even you got with her 😜

[empty kettle]

🐝

[neon pebble]

Nobody wants bee man

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bee-bumble-bee-alex-uyutov-funny-gif-26422360

[twilit thistle]

Ngl I want bee cat

[neon pebble]

You need to tell us what weapons for us to get hyped. Istg if either weapon has Piercing in the name...

[empty kettle]

A bee man that is a support character with some lore about some ahamkara with those text about whispers

[neon pebble]

Bee = Stinger = Monarch Bow = Another Piercing

[empty kettle]

If the ahamkara just turns out to be a ugly looking bee

[neon pebble]

Bee cat would be cool, not bee man

[twilit thistle]

💀 and next season: ||arc piercing||

[neon pebble]

Whats her face from red sea rift? Starts with a W or something, she ran into the vex portal. What if she comes back with little vex bee drones? She was commanding those vex for a second

Half vex half ahamkara

Then Kabeard gets his story quest

[empty kettle]

Harrow?

[neon pebble]

End with a W *

[thorny frost]

Yea… a lot of the features once actually looked at and tested haven’t been bad… but their tool tips are so buggy/confusing it causes a lot of misunderstanding XD. Simple mods to fix some of this would be nice.

[neon pebble]

In this timeline she drank the Vex Milk and stopped Kabr from doing it. Because of her celestial heritage she didnt die she instead morphed

Now she is a "queen" Vex but a rogue one because she still has her mind and consciousness

[thorny frost]

My issue was more you needed to get to that screen, and like you said why would anyone choose to keep the lower amount? (I guess it is probably there if you put an item with a better base but lower refractor amount in, but it could have been programmed to just take that higher value).

But I don’t think that warning pops up when sacrificed is lower now that I think about it…

[cyan tide]

The thing is that to get that screen the refactor score on the main piece has to be lower than the one on the fodder piece, so the scenario you just said can't happen

[leaden epoch]

So you would basically select the artifact you want to transfer the score to and then select the artifact with the upgrades?

[thorny frost]

But who would ever risk getting to that screen normally to see if it is confusing? It auto changes it when the refractor total is lower on the sacrifice piece. Who would attempt to sacrifice a high refactored item (till later in the season maybe) to even see that screen is what I mean?

[twilit thistle]

I’d be nice if it actually felt satisfying to use it. I have literally seen Minecraft mods that are better than this.

[kindred token]

well i got to the expanse level 18 & 19 is 78k & im 75k jolder impact. sooo i guess imma farm out level 90s exotic artifacts & play chaos to get Artifacts & mats to level them up.

[worn jolt]

Any Dmc or bleach fans here

[cyan tide]

I think I get the logic. Normally you would only transfer attribute score on a piece you're planning to invest into and maybe already refactored a couple of times, and in that case you can see that it retains the refactor score of the main piece. That might give people the idea that refactor score can't be transferred
The screen is there to indicate that refactor score CAN be transferred if you choose to, it's just weird that it doesn't automatically transfer the highest refactor score

[empty kettle]

Old leak but could arrive in act 2 as a bp weapon (graviton)

[cyan tide]

Graviton lance was a pulse, right? Next character is rapid fire confirmed copium overdose

[empty kettle]

A pulse that was similar to a scout rifle

[leaden epoch]

Pulse Rifle with a sniper or linear fusion. 🙂

[cyan tide]

Last thing we need is another piercing character

[empty kettle]

We need another lmg user

[cyan tide]

Give me rapid fire or I will raid the Netease HQ

[true basin]

We need another fusion character

[leaden epoch]

Agreed, just commenting on how many we have so far

[stark forge]

give me more jotunn users

[cyan tide]

I will accept fusion rifle + LMG/Xbow

[twilit thistle]

If they rerun Estela next act.. 🫠 think of who comes after Estela in s5

[naive ingot]

It is a pulse

[twilit thistle]

The thing that keeps Estela mains up at night: || ||

[naive ingot]

Tbf that keeps us all up at night

[twilit thistle]

There’s gonna be a t0 helhest incursion as is. 90% of players will use their free unlock on helhest.

[cyan tide]

I don't care about Helhest. Kabr and Efrideet are infinitely more fun than her
We need more supports to powercreep Helhest

[twilit thistle]

Alternatively: nerf helhest and remove the auto crit.

[stark forge]

why not add auto crit to everyone

[empty kettle]

Between when ikora 5* release and s4 act 2, the beekeeper better be polished and powerful

[twilit thistle]

Or change helhest to be an offense char, and remove the healing drone and heavy ammo generation, giving helhest a proper speed boost.

Can’t be both offense and support at the same time 🤷🏼‍♀️

[empty kettle]

They should give the heavy ammo generation to a character that is all about weapons

[twilit thistle]

Rossi 5 star can have it.

Defense would do well with it

All I’m saying is helhest is more than one class at the same time, and it is op

[empty kettle]

A titan would fit the defensive heavy ammo generation (but better)

[thorny frost]

Exactly this, the more I interact with the systems the friendlier it does feel. But if you are looking at things at face value from the tool tips, there is a lot of confusion that can happen. Similar to the conversation, I think last week, with how ability substats transferred worked.

[lone lion]

Nothing sucks when you are farming exotics and you just randomly get the ones you dont need.

[empty kettle]

2014. Has it truly been so long?

[bitter estuary]

12 years ago

[empty kettle]

By the traveler, what the hell?!

[dusk socket]

BUGGED, i got and does nothing

nothing change

where are the lightnings?

[late thistle]

is this bugged for u too?

[next dome]

Question why is the finala mission bugged ?? The door won’t open everytime I try lol

[fallow burrow]

I'm back

[dusk socket]

this is bugged for me too

game is all bugged

til eternal death band 2 does not work

devs please, fix til eternal death catalyst band 2, I spent 60 coins on it. 🤡

[twilit thistle]

@neat valley

Is it an adequate amount of dmg now 💀

[visual rain]

?

[twilit thistle]

(Message above it)

[visual rain]

What's wrong with it looks normal to me

[keen oasis]

Why do people continually insist on joining a raid and have no idea what to, don’t say anything, or come way under powered. Same old destiny

[spare sail]

hey guys, im a destiny 1/2 veteran that wants to try destiny rising, what are yall's opinions on the game?

[visual rain]

Children

I don't care if people don't know but the ones who say nothing and don't read chat or understand the concept of pings... Yeah they're a lost cause

[visual rain]

Fun contest mode raids that aren't too much of a grind to get into, otherwise there isn't a ton of stuff to do

[keen oasis]

Just such a waste of everyone’s time. Just not acknowledging you don’t know anything and winging it. Especially the final
Boss. lol it’s very simple mechanics

[visual rain]

Endgame is pretty barren rn and mostly a power grind

[spare sail]

is the game active with events and stuff? or maybe an update planned in the future?

[visual rain]

There's events every so often but the current one I've heard is not good... They didn't even update the rewards to the current season

[keen oasis]

The end game is getting all the copies of raid weapons with blueberry teams

[visual rain]

Yeah queues are pretty dead too even tho the raid just came out

[spare sail]

dang... but yall think its still worth it playing the game and maybe waiting for a big update?

[neon pebble]

Yes

[visual rain]

idk man it's kinda the same state as D2 rn... even though it just updated

I mean there's more stuff coming soon but eh

[neon pebble]

Its about to pop off soon, just had a massive rework to lay baseground for new content

[delicate mango]

I'm sure will get more big updates soon

[visual rain]

Yeah but there's still nobody playing

[neon pebble]

Tons of people are coming back

Iron Bar is more active now than 3 months ago

[delicate mango]

Heck we might get a summer event soon

[visual rain]

New raid is hit or miss with matchmaking and the old one you just simply cannot queue there's literally no one

[sharp talon]

my previous pack came alive when s4 launched lol they never do pack hunt

[neon pebble]

Bro, i will put it simple and easy. If the game is fun for you play it, if you dont like it then dont play it. This game is good, if you enjoy it dont worry about its future it has some good stuff

[signal spade]

Complaining nobody is running the old raid is like being upset excision matchmaking was dead during desert perpetual

[visual rain]

Yeah but it means there's no new players because new players always play that

[signal spade]

No

[visual rain]

I haven't been able to queue an Issakis at all

[signal spade]

It lets you skip it now

Campaign doesn't need it

[obtuse chasm]

I wonder why

[visual rain]

oh that's goofy

[harsh berry]

Is Winterbite still the best exotic on wormgod's? Trying to choose between that and using a special glaive buildup for praxic blade damage

[signal spade]

The new player experience is like a two day sprint now

[visual rain]

Also, legacy or morgran and stuff half the time I'm with bots

[signal spade]

You have no gates and they dump XP on you

[harsh berry]

Bruh i totally stopped after Great Hunt, now that i got into renegades so thats probably a reason

[signal spade]

Same thing you don't need any of it as a new player anymore just the story versions

[harsh berry]

I know i'm gonna he hurting bc I'm not grinding emanare rn

[sharp talon]

u can prob catch up easily still

[visual rain]

But still you'd think people would be queueing things for resources, or even the old raid for the exotics, there's just no one

Seems like everyone is in chaos or expanse

I barely even see anyone at front lines

[harsh berry]

I'm at core 3, honestly just missing the mobius cluster and the artifact mats portion of the nodes

[signal spade]

You can't afford to upgrade much as a new player

[obtuse chasm]

What servers are you on?

[signal spade]

I see like twenty people at front lines every hour every day

[obtuse chasm]

Because if you’re NA this is genuinely a lie

[harsh berry]

Yeah it sucks, I was doing break in and ikassis carries almost every day before s4

[sharp talon]

i think core 3 is the current max rn anyway, and those don't take that long to get

[visual rain]

Every time I've gone to front lines there might be 3 people max but they're all just afk

[harsh berry]

Now it feels even more split up

[austere apex]

Anyone wanna help me farm octant riot

[harsh berry]

And the ascension power creep, who knew that would be the line instead of new charas

Now i'm debating who to invest in

[sharp talon]

it does feel like they want u to hyper invest in ppl 💀

[obtuse chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[harsh berry]

Real, i'm cool w it. I don't need to be MVP every game lmao

[obtuse chasm]

“Ascension power creep”

[visual rain]

$1000 for 20% damage 🔥

[harsh berry]

I'm going in on this gwynn rerun even though t0 Jaren does arguably everything better

[thorny frost]

I felt like blitz had a lot of people this morning at least. By the end of each run I only had like 1 bot in the lobby, I wasn’t thinking people were going to be queing for it.

[visual rain]

Haven't done blitz since they changed it a day or so ago to make the encounter random

[harsh berry]

Honestly majority of my matches have been S4 content

[visual rain]

But the first one was a decent amount of people, the other 2 were empty

[obtuse chasm]

I have 30+ friends on all day and 20 on off hours for NA I genuinely don’t see how people can’t find teams, I slapped a raid help together in the middle of the night when NA servers are mostly dead, I’m starting to think people solely rely on solo queuing and dig their own holes

[harsh berry]

I deleted my solar smg god roll and i have to rebuild my perks from the ground up

[thorny frost]

Today was my first as I forgot to spend the weeklies. I think part of the issue is spreading us out so much still. Likes Morgan’s I start off with a bot lobby but normally get at least 1 more by the end of it.

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar ngl I used an oob that run

[harsh berry]

Is Heir the good heavy alt to Thunderlord? I heard TL is bugged

[twilit thistle]

It does terrible dmg, and will never be the best

[harsh berry]

Okay i was wondering why they're using but at t6 Estela i doubt it matters much in this activity lol

[twilit thistle]

Exotic bvd4

[harsh berry]

Thats the arc?

I use Furies majority of the time

[keen oasis]

I just don’t buy the queing in this game, some activities where it’s just you? You cannot find another single person looking for that activity in the entire United States or your server. I call bs

[harsh berry]

And the solar mg

But double void with gallows and the ce pulse was so much fun

[twilit thistle]

Estela is a dmg printer right now.

[obtuse chasm]

A lot of people are grinding chaos and doing solo content or blitz’s and strikes for the new weapon perks

[visual rain]

I mean I'm on in afternoon/nights but yes I cannot find another person for some activities

[spare sail]

can you play fully first person or only when you aim?

[obtuse chasm]

Or the raid seeing as it’s about to be over soon for contest

[keen oasis]

Yeah I get other people are doing other stuff. I just don’t buy that in the entire server of players your ever alone queing

[visual rain]

Also I know this doesn't count but sparrow racing is all just bots so that's pretty funny

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah you can swap in between

[twilit thistle]

Choice. Both

[visual rain]

Free wins

[spare sail]

how?

[sharp talon]

less than 12 hrs till next phase yay

[keen oasis]

It’s probably whoever hosts their server or matchmaking

[obtuse chasm]

Mobile? Or pc

[spare sail]

PC

[keen oasis]

I don’t believe one second im the single person in the world on the server looking for whatever match I’m going into with bots

[obtuse chasm]

Ah I’m not sure then, should be somewhere in the bottom left for mobile not sure if pc shares the same location

[harsh berry]

She kind of always nuked, just don't see a lot of higher trees Estelas lately (personally) to see how much that dmg is

[thorny frost]

We currently have 27 different things we can que for, but a lot of our end game advancement aren’t even tied behind those 27. So it definitely makes some sense to me. I run very few multiplayer content as the most used rewards are behind legendary and chaos… it doesn’t also help that there are a possible 10 different ques for Cordon either XD.

[spare sail]

i was using mixed but it was all third person

[twilit thistle]

U can also toggle that

On mobile it’s a button on pc I think it’s “T”

[harsh berry]

And if you're matching on cordon as a prepared player, a high chance you'll be carrying someone who isn't

[visual rain]

Still, idk what's up with the raid population. You'd see people all the time in monolith farming or getting first clears or whatever

You telling me every player in the game already has every copy of all 3 guns

[signal spade]

why would you farm all 3 copies if you cant afford all of the catalyst upgrades

[twilit thistle]

Yea maybe like carry me thru the hard mode raid 🥺 I will provide no help and u do all the work.

[harsh berry]

Still in that phase where people are bombing normal raid so others are giving up until time sets in, i imagine

[signal spade]

and why would you brute force the drops if the game hands them to you at reset

[visual rain]

There was a bunch of us farming mahamayuri even months after

[twilit thistle]

Population is a little lower

[harsh berry]

I started S1 didn't get Octant or Gallows until around the time Jaren went live

[signal spade]

the raid exotics right now are nowhere near mahamayuri levels of power

half of them are bugged lol

[twilit thistle]

About 40 times smaller population id guesstimate

[thorny frost]

I haven’t done a lot of raid farming this second week as I went decently hard the first week so I am not seeing how bad it is. But in general if we aren’t getting anyone at least in the new raid that is definitely sad.

[obtuse chasm]

We are, it’s just the usual dead queue times

Queuing during the off hours for that server

[visual rain]

Pretty much everyone I've seen is someone already at like 80/90k as well, no newer players :(

I think that has to do with it being 72k tho

[twilit thistle]

Well ye they are probably in chaos or doing strikes

[visual rain]

I miss my new lights

[signal spade]

idk everytime i queue morgrans hunt i get people in the 40s and 50s lol

doing literally nothing on wolf

[visual rain]

Wouldn't know, I'm always with bots

[signal spade]

do you live in antarctica

[twilit thistle]

There been a big issue with this since the beginning 😂 netease can’t seem to comprehend the fact that there might be too many activities needing you to grind in.

[harsh berry]

Morgrans and legacy have plenty new lights during peak times from my xp

[visual rain]

Sometimes people join toward the end tho

[visual rain]

I saw a junior mentor in legacy but I genuinely don't know the last time I saw a new light

[thorny frost]

The last time I played with a new light was in Morgan’s prey for my weekly. I get so little of those currency now.

[signal spade]

do you understand how you become a new light

[visual rain]

They are a dying species

[harsh berry]

Back at season launch otherwise you would have to queue back into strike or blitz from the results menu to get one of the legacy adventures where a new light would likely have launched into

[signal spade]

or what the qualifications are

as of the new patch

because if you did you wouldnt be surprised at all

[visual rain]

no why would I know how to be a new light if I'm not a new player

[signal spade]

theres a like 2 hr window where you can be a new light right now

[empty kettle]

I've seen plenty of new lights in haven

[obtuse chasm]

Sure do act like one

[signal spade]

so then why are you complaining about something you dont understand

[visual rain]

I'm not complaining who said that

[harsh berry]

A bunch of crap to do but not too much incentive to do it.

[signal spade]

'theyre a dying species'

[twilit thistle]

I mean I think if cordon took the place of blitz we’d have an improvement already. And I you combined legacy and Morgrans, yet another improvement.

[harsh berry]

When i can just buy ascension and overstep most of the power/stat grind

[signal spade]

you can go from starting as wolf to level 80 and in a pack in less than 5 hrs

in those 5 hrs the only matchmade things you need to do are 3 strikes and 1 legacy

[obtuse chasm]

Ascension is genuinely not what you’re making it out to be, sounds like a huge cope

[signal spade]

after you beat the campaign and join a pack youre free od newlight life

actually incredibly hard to find new lights because its hard to even be one

[harsh berry]

No its a huge overexaggeration

[thorny frost]

They should change new light to activity base. Clear it 10 times to not be new light. Give people the knowledge to help those players out, and the tokens too.

[obtuse chasm]

You’re right, you’re over exaggerating it

[signal spade]

buying an 8% damage increase is like buying a single tier upgrade on your artifacts

[visual rain]

I forgot about tokens

[twilit thistle]

They should be in the same Q as we are.

[visual rain]

Yeah would be nice to have an easier way to get those cus before I could just run the raid a few times

[thorny frost]

O definitely (they aren’t?)

[signal spade]

they are in the same queue but you have to snipe them in strikes or youre not seein them

[twilit thistle]

Not if it’s normal modes