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[limber pine]

His explanations are hard to u derstand sometimes is all for a new player

Unkowndr is the most thorough and solid at explaining for newbies

Imo

[plucky prism]

better than thunderlord?

[twilit thistle]

Thunderlord is trash.

[plucky prism]

😭

[swift garnet]

I was horrified to learn this, as I ran 34 raids to collect one🤷🏻‍♂️

[twilit thistle]

Sadly I fully upgraded it when I found out.

[swift garnet]

Oh this is terrible... I'm sorry to hear this

I hope they buff thunderlord

[sharp talon]

hoping to gild the endless seal this week 🤞

[cursive depot]

what are all your stages at?

[twilit thistle]

🤔 Im okay with this

[swift garnet]

Second is OP for Helhest

[sharp talon]

rapid fire: 59 (just need to sink time to clear 60, then its solar next)
spread: 65 (need to put more time)
piercing: 59 (i saw likely did 72 here w jaren)
impact: 72

[swift garnet]

You could grind a bit more for higher numbers, but they are still pretty good since Helhest responds well to these attributes

[swift garnet]

This is incredible. What power levels are you running at?

[sharp talon]

my jaren 97k, ikora is 94k

[cursive depot]

oh nice, yea the 70 across the board seems like it will take me some time

[swift garnet]

You are dominating those aliens with these stages. Inspiring lightbearing right here

[sharp talon]

thanks ❤️

[cursive depot]

Rapid: 59 (think I can get to 70 since solar on Estella)
Spread: 72
Pierce: 39 (struggling to level Kabr as he is my best optino rn)
Impact: 58 (can see a 60 here but running Ikora for this)

[swift garnet]

Amazing progress

[cursive depot]

It’s pain watching my buddy with his efrideet just run through rapid as I struggle with Estella

[summer ledge]

Barb and Bloom or Vorpal and Bloom on the new void linear? Having a hard time choosing which to target since I have rolls with upgrades ready to infuse.

[limpid fable]

Barb on everything

its the best perk on the game rn

[exotic sinew]

If they got rid of the bug I’d use it more on Estela

But having the RoF buff reset every time she summons or uses misfortune, is wonky

[last matrix]

anyone know if theres been any news concerning a port to pc?

[sharp talon]

no

[last matrix]

one day...

might have to bite the bullet soon and subject myself to playing on an emulator

[sharp talon]

lg campaign focus still working? prob gonna grind thermo today if so

[dark gulch]

oh my lord i gotta get home and FedEx blockin me

doesnt fedex know how important destiny rising is

[thorny frost]

I like the heavy ammo ones, the reason I can see why reducing heavy ammo for those 2 makes sense for me. The one that gives 15% damage basically is giving your exotic heavy a dps increase for exchange of sustain, with no loss to the primary. While the 40% primary allows mythic heavies to make primary exotics quite a bit stronger by giving up some sustain and dps. If we ever get a game mode that doesn’t print heavy ammo that could be really big.

[last ravine]

Man. Its sad that mythic Zico is doing almost the same damage as a max cat cloudstrike on efrideet. Seems like the best loadout for efri is still crimson and zico. 😢

[stark forge]

not anymore it seems

[fresh moat]

Not new hand cannon?

[cobalt beacon]

Yes

I made up my mind its best in slot on jaren too

What is a last word😂

[fresh moat]

Naw they said crimson

[cobalt beacon]

Tripping

[fresh moat]

😵‍💫😭

[last ravine]

nope. I have new mythic hc god roll perks and crimson still does more damage than it lol. BP hc is even worse

[cobalt beacon]

Your legit doubling your snipers dmg

[stark forge]

so most bp exotic now get creeped by new mythics 😭

[cobalt beacon]

All mythic handcannon suck

[karmic chasm]

Not the new one apparently

And simit wasn’t bad

[fresh moat]

You sure the exotic sucks ?

[thorny frost]

Crimson is for rapid expanse, dang hand cannon users out doing Estela there lol.

[indigo solar]

Huh

Ted doubles zico damage

[stiff breach]

Got her final copy atleast this game doesnt take an arm and leg for t6 unless your unlucky

[last ravine]

if think the bp exotic is good just for the precision damage boost, crimson is just so much better. it helps with survivability, breaks rapid shinka and also able to brute force through solar elites shield

[fresh moat]

Gon have to give it a try

[stiff breach]

Is wardcliff worth on ikora or truth better

[fresh moat]

I wanna get her t6 I just don’t know what’s the best way to go about it, I just came back to the game so I’m like 😵‍💫

[karmic chasm]

How much did it run you

[last ravine]

single dps perhaps but if running expanse, crimson is just sadly so much better. Ive used up my resources on cloudstrike and bp hc

[stiff breach]

$175

[thorny frost]

I did some math yesterday. Someone can get the average amount of pulls to T6 a unit about once a season for 30 dollars. As long as we get ~ 20 pulls from rotating events, and we get the first copy from shards (so basically starting next season if 40 shards are distributed after season ends).

[fresh moat]

Which packs or straight pulling?

[karmic chasm]

Whaaa that’s not bad at all

[stiff breach]

I did all the current packs then straight up silver to pulls

[stiff breach]

Ikora I got t6 for free cause i had like 200 pulls saved for hh rerun but people said ikora was way more fun than hh

[fresh moat]

I gotta check the packs. I didn’t really see any with wishes

[twilit thistle]

ted cant do rapid expanse (neither can estela)

[karmic chasm]

I got Kabr 2 t6 very fast tbh yea. I like him a lot since I only had HH t1

[stiff breach]

Its mostly leaves for cheaper

[fresh moat]

Ahhh gotcha. Thanks

[thorny frost]

Without discount tickets it is basically leaves =silver plus something extra. So already better then just translating silver over. And every other one seems to give a discount ticket.

[indigo solar]

Efrideet already has insane survivability, if you need crimson for more you're playing her wrong. Ted + one Zico shot pops solar shield much faster. Crimson does help pop rapids but why are you using her for rapid content lmao

[stiff breach]

Crimson is more or less to make efrideet a rapid shinka killer

[sullen depot]

Eh I used Jaren to clear rapid side in expanse. If the character can be used for rapid cuz u enjoy them then by all means imo

[stiff breach]

Also why not use her 1 less character to full build lol

[karmic chasm]

Did they nerf crimson against rapid

[twilit thistle]

When you get to stage 43, and 46...

You will realize that crimson was better right now, this week.

[last ravine]

there's a reason why efrideet is top on the rapid fire leaderboard 😂 I tried using estela and efrideet breezes through the expanse much faster.

[last ravine]

I hate to admit crimson is too op on her as ive invested on ted and cloudstrike but it is what it is... 🤷 server top 1 is a 88k efri with cat 2 crimson for rapid fire expanse lmao

[twilit thistle]

Some of the stages are giving estela mains flashbacks. All im saying. Im sure its dogwater in total dps for other activities tho

[white yew]

if thunderlord wasnt bugged then it would be best in slot

[indigo solar]

I mean yes obv crimson is better for rapid expanse but your original comment was just that crimson was best in general, which absolutely isn't true

[karmic chasm]

Wait fr?? So I’m valid??

[white yew]

but outside of that just run heir apparent for everything on estella unless u need void

[karmic chasm]

What is it better than specifically

[white yew]

crimson is good for primary dps in a short burst

[thorny frost]

It is mainly for rapid fire expanse. Jaren/Efri has better survivability so under light Estela dies easier on some of these stages.

[twilit thistle]

100% agree.

[karmic chasm]

That’s what I’m using

[white yew]

if ur using the BP handcannon its better overall but for that 10 second window u deal more with crimson

[twilit thistle]

ted vs cloudstrike when?

[indigo solar]

When I get Ted

[white yew]

ted is better unfort

unless they fix cloudstrikes lightning being in a wide triangle

[twilit thistle]

🫠

[karmic chasm]

Yea I’ll be sticking with crimson it seems

[twilit thistle]

If i need to record it for you just lmk

[last ravine]

At least thats how it feels for me. Much faster for ads clear, shreds any element shield. Breaking rapid shinka is a bonus, does good dps as a primary. TED is really just for single dps even though it is a beast at that.

[elder wing]

Why not both?

[cobalt beacon]

This thing is busted

[karmic chasm]

Both what? CS and crimson?

[elder wing]

Actually Claudstrike as well

[last ravine]

genuine question. How would that improve cloudstrike? More single target dps or aoe?

[karmic chasm]

I can’t build ed

[dark gulch]

is using vpn during gameplay fine

[karmic chasm]

I’m f2p now

[elder wing]

Fair broski. Crimson is quite enough f2p

[dark gulch]

my wifi is out

[white yew]

it would be nice if it landed on the main target first

then went out into a triangle of 3

[last ravine]

Overall best performance: Crimson
Best single dps: TED+Zico
Not sure what to say about cloudstrike.

[white yew]

but instead it does the opposite

[last ravine]

I see

[brittle plover]

My efrideet is unkillable if used right. Permanent 5k overshield

[brittle plover]

Cloudstrike is nasty

[sharp talon]

i need 2 more condensate to ascend jaren bro

😭

[dark gulch]

i havent ascended a single character smh

[empty kettle]

Use your s4 cosmetic engrams (trust)

[sharp talon]

i did use all

i ran out of bright dust

[last ravine]

Maybe im using it wrong. Any tips? Was testing out cloudstrike vs zico and the damage difference is so miniscule to justify giving up using crimson or TED.

[sharp talon]

unless i draw on efrideet

[cobalt beacon]

Dont do it your gonna murder me on expanse

[hard forge]

I have a question because I’m really at a loss on what to do. Should I use my level 80 artifact set that has all substats correct or level 90 3 star artifacts that don’t match right now

[empty kettle]

Have you checked the shifting gates exchange shop?

[hard forge]

And they aren’t max refracted

[sharp talon]

wait hold on

nah i already bought it

wait i need to do casual activities maybe i can get 1

[cobalt beacon]

Just spend some $

[sharp talon]

maybe i just bought the premium bp XD i dont wanna spend more this month

[cobalt beacon]

Real im waiting till next week

[sharp talon]

i have 3 pandora condensate coming this week anyway

i might just pull on efrideet for bright dust 😭

[stiff breach]

Is t0 hh still viable or does she need copies

[sharp talon]

she need t67

typo but 67 anyway

[empty kettle]

In the big 26 gang?

[stiff breach]

Lol guess more money to throw unless they figure out how to do reruns

[cobalt beacon]

Shes so ah😭

If you get to get someone at t0 to play get jarold

Hes the best t0 in the game

[stiff breach]

I habe t6 jaren, ikora, gwynn and now efrideet

[cobalt beacon]

Goat

[stiff breach]

I was on a break when hh came out

[sharp talon]

jaren and ikora al u need

or hh if u wanna get spawn camped in cordon

[stiff breach]

I kinda liked efri she feels like a ling range jaren

Long

[sharp talon]

just pull out ur jaren sniper 🔥

[brittle plover]

Well for single target cloudstrike is probably similar but cloudstrike is also much better against large enemies cause multiple lightning strikes hit at the same time. Just another tip

But I mean jezibaba handcannon with cloudstrike is giving me my best results in legendary campaign rn. I’m at 2:53 time on arc/precision this week

[stiff breach]

The only characters im missing base copies of are hh and maru and maru not needed much after ikora lol

[sharp talon]

any point for maru now that ikora exists ?

except raid

[brittle plover]

She’s fun

[cyan tide]

She has better survivability but that's about it

[cursive depot]

I would still take ikora over her here

[twilit thistle]

Can thunderlord get a buff yet? 🫠 is it too soon to ask for that

[cobalt beacon]

When ikoras lasers spam get removed its over she goes from s to to c

Maru back on top after

[stiff breach]

U mean the spam when she's in her enhanced state?

[cyan tide]

It's better to start doing that early lol

[cobalt beacon]

Shoving the laser inside

[subtle anchor]

Anybody knows why i cant claim the Level 60 season rank reward ?

[sharp talon]

u need to buy it with silver

[cyan tide]

I still don't understand why they buffed Jotunn right before S4

[stiff breach]

They have to fix hit boxes first and I dont think they want to

[subtle anchor]

oops i thought it was just the 2 things at the bottom for silver

[dusty spire]

Hit up with the pay wall

[sharp talon]

taniks said once that they have a cap on how many times the laser can hit a single enemy or smthing tho. i think its somewhat intended atp

[cobalt beacon]

They will after her banner is gone. The usual netease chargeback

[sharp talon]

if they nerf her i will try using jaren for spread 🤣

[stiff breach]

Well people keep saying jaren feels weak but I guess thats a t0 issue lol

[sharp talon]

Nah jaren is weak fr tho

needs buff

Also eternal death sucks , please buff

[stiff breach]

Im doing 60+ mill in 21 seconds

[twilit thistle]

I almost want to test it against bvd4 to see which does more dmg

If not just to fuel the buff thunderlord propaganda 💀

[cobalt beacon]

I am my ikora feels weak compared to him with the new handcannon

[cobalt beacon]

Realest spill please neteass

[stiff breach]

Is ted better than last word on jaren?

[sharp talon]

you hyped me so much for it 😂 now im doing lg campaign

[cobalt beacon]

Yes 100x

[cobalt beacon]

You will see jit

Thank likey after 👌

What is a last word

[brittle plover]

I’m not the only one who thinks the new handcannon is weak compared to even jezibaba right?

[cobalt beacon]

You are the only one

[stiff breach]

I need to farm lg campaign for Ted, crimson and cs

[summer ledge]

Lockdown is still the uncontested mythic scout king?

[brittle plover]

My jezibaba hits harder than the new handcannon

[empty kettle]

Another scout rifle will appear

[summer ledge]

For the time being, I mean. I can go get another one later.

[cobalt beacon]

What catalyst?

And boosts

[elder wing]

How lmao?

[summer ledge]

Just trying to decide if I want to switch to arc boost on my artifacts from solar since my current loadout is Lockdown/Arbalest.

[elder wing]

Is urs cat 0 or something?

[brittle plover]

Guess I just realized it’s only 1 star. Prolly need to upgrade that part

[elder wing]

https://tenor.com/view/colts-indianapolis-colts-dashawn-dashawndontplay-comebackcolts-gif-12298488741851068567

[limber pine]

I was gonna say mine is maxed and smacking

[cobalt beacon]

Hmm

[stark forge]

its not even maxed 💀

[brittle plover]

None are, I haven’t played in 6 months

[elder wing]

Not just the star bud… urs is not even maxed

[twilit thistle]

Lockdown was never uncontested.

[stiff breach]

Whats best weapon set up on ikora

[limber pine]

Til Eternal Death fully maxed is doing most damage of any HC. Just depends if u want exotic primary or clouds trike lol

[brittle plover]

The last catalyst is really good right? Constant lightning strikes every shot?

[elder wing]

But then oh baba hits hard lmao someone is gon think is real

[limber pine]

Ye

[stark forge]

at least give it cat 2 and max the star tier fr

[cobalt beacon]

Yes like 60k extra each shot

I heard

[brittle plover]

Nice that’s what I wanted to hear cause I have enough bp rocks to get the last copy to max it out so ig I’ll do that

Also enjoying crimson too tho

[cobalt beacon]

Its an insane weapon

[limber pine]

I maxed mine this morning and am loving it lol

Doing 70 percent damage every activity

[elder wing]

Yeah I got crimson claudstrike and new hc maxed out and obviously TLW… just in case

[brittle plover]

Thanks for the input, I’ll get that last copy rn and keep grinding fusion cores cause lord knows I need about 10k more

[brittle plover]

I don’t have tlw yet

[sharp talon]

which eternal death skin has most aura?

[cobalt beacon]

The gold or base

[elder wing]

I mean you don’t need that on her much so yh

[brittle plover]

I got all 3 lol

[limber pine]

Last word made efrideet so good in the raid

Best solar primary for her

[elder wing]

Dont know but she slaps…

[limber pine]

Luckily I jad every HC maxed I used to main attal lol

[elder wing]

She feels soo much better the. Jaren and I hate it

[stark forge]

ted skins look almost the same idk

[brittle plover]

She’s slept on I feel like. Sure she’s not HH level but she’s useable

[sharp talon]

jaren slander spotted

[limber pine]

Jaren can be just as good just I feel jaren takes more effort

[elder wing]

Yup simply put

[cobalt beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[limber pine]

Jaren still the goat of pvp tho so u have that

[golden spade]

So till death eternal is meta!! For dmg??

[twilit thistle]

Withered core

[limber pine]

Depends on ur build u wanna use tbh

[elder wing]

She has soo much builds lol

[cobalt beacon]

If you have no skill and t6 jaren you could be the best player all im saying

[limber pine]

Cloudstrike is very good on her too

[cobalt beacon]

Nah to basic

[elder wing]

That why I wanted max all weapons for different scenarios

[limber pine]

But u don't get as many procs on chain lightning she shoots too fast with her ability

Hope they fix that

[stiff breach]

Imagine what jaren will be like if they ever release thorn or malfeasance

[limber pine]

It's supposed to be every 3 precision blows but it's more like 6

Idk if the animation has to complete before the next one or what

[twilit thistle]

The other ones have a weird glow

[cobalt beacon]

The gold one is lit

Jit

[limber pine]

I got this one too luckily

[twilit thistle]

Like someone is shining a spotlight on it. ruins the art

[stark forge]

they are all blue anyway

[elder wing]

Dont know but ning got soo dirty witb S4 lmao

[limber pine]

Ning go crazy

U see the Ning who solo 2nd encounter?

Nuts

[elder wing]

Yh lmao umeko did too

[limber pine]

Umeko makes sense tho lol

[twilit thistle]

Do i max ted or tlw

[cobalt beacon]

Ted

[limber pine]

Ning came out of bo where

[vast arch]

all is not lost

[bitter estuary]

balls

[elder wing]

Can’t see him in rapid side of expanse though

[limber pine]

They said it was gonna shuffle the raids I figured croter wasn't gone for good

[cobalt beacon]

Ted is actually the closest thing to arbalest istg in how good it is

[vast arch]

Surely they didn't remove those permanently and still allow new players to download the resources

[golden spade]

I have efrideet at T2, and I use crimson on her (love it on her) and I just got one copy of cloud strike

But I also have till death eternal but I need the last copy of the gun

So many decisions

[twilit thistle]

🤫 I already proved it was still there. Dont let them know taht we know.

[elder wing]

This

[limber pine]

Is it a secret? 😆

[twilit thistle]

Find the tab with the orange notification

[limber pine]

RiP Del-7 guys. Iykyk

[sharp talon]

ye it showed up start of the season, it said inaccessible

[golden spade]

Guys. I just love the game. Can we have a hell yeah to this update and the raid. Omg, the raid slapped (yes too many glitches)

But omg. Im so happy

[sharp talon]

it seems crota is invisible as well

that is really annoying

[limber pine]

Maybe another Destiny 1/2 raid will come next (imagine wrath of the machine) talk about an active game

[twilit thistle]

I claimed a bounty way after it was gone. And now i have a permanent notification for something i cant claim.

[sharp talon]

they need to fix these permanent notifications its tilting

[limber pine]

It's because it will cycle in and out

[twilit thistle]

Should just add that to the blitz playlist.

[limber pine]

On reset at some point crota comes back and one other raid will leave (speculations)

[sharp talon]

prestige onslaught with rotating raid would be fire

[limber pine]

That's what they literally told us in a patch note if I remember correctly

Rotating raids

[twilit thistle]

I do not want to go farm hon4 for bulwark tho just getting frat on the new sniper was a pain 💀

[limber pine]

I think one raid challenge mode will be in the Playlist of the raids and another raid will occupy the normal mode Playlist. Hopefully 2 different raids per week 2 of each mode.

Would be sick if eclipse was there because I missed that raid.

[bitter estuary]

best perks for new solar/void lfr?

[limber pine]

This is just my speculations btw guys based of notes. Nothing is fact or am I speaking like I know anything don't mute me please.

[bitter estuary]

del9 and suffocate bellow

[magic parrot]

Hi guys, where do you usually look for builds for the characters? im trying to look what mythic weapons should i put on Ikora Hidden, cuz i don't have exotics for her from the battlepass

[limber pine]

#1391469379853619282

[empty kettle]

"Exotics"

[magic parrot]

Already edited thanks hehe

[hard forge]

How are people already getting signature ascensions?

[bitter estuary]

for del9, Vorpa, barb or statues heart?

[stark forge]

all thumbs perk

[hard forge]

Just rolled this too

Sorry I didn’t mean to reply to u

[summer ledge]

Is the challenge mode version of the raid even that difficult?

[hard forge]

Yes

[thorny frost]

Waiting for a new enemy that blocks over shields XD

[hard forge]

If u don’t have synch and comms yes

[summer ledge]

Been trying to get a group and people immediately fall into racial slurs and mental health insults after a single death because someone accidentally fell off.

Also, make sure you get your runs in. Apparently we only have 319488 days and 13 hours left.

[bitter estuary]

?

[magic parrot]

Guys should i select Tan-2 or Kabr 5* from permanent selector? I wasn't playing at the time Kabr was free

[stark forge]

the perk with thumbs on it

[thorny frost]

I don’t know, 875 years might not be enough time

[bitter estuary]

i thought vorpal is better for del9

[empty kettle]

I don't think that we will live to see it expire

[cursive depot]

barb looks better than vorpal

to me

[thorny frost]

They also didn’t archive the Crota Achievements. So it seems like there is intent for it to return.

[stark forge]

barb with upgrade perk higher buff than vorpal

[summer ledge]

Sustained or completely? Vorpal has two new perks that boost its damage.

One is 10% against bosses and one is 15% against below 50%.

[indigo solar]

Vorpal is an average of ≤ 57.5% bonus damage to powerful combatants, Barb is an average of ≥ 57% damage to powerful combatants, but also does significantly more on a first shot and also buffs damage to base combatants

[twilit thistle]

( for taniks)

[twilit thistle]

🫡

@vast arch this would be one of the things we need datamined

I cant get a good screenshot of these

I would have to do each by hand.

[sharp talon]

are photons rates higher than they list it as?

i keep getting them

might just be lucky 😭

[vocal mango]

wow kabr is so stunning!

[bitter estuary]

i thought vorpal is more consistent than barb thats why

but i guess it's not the case

this is w/ the double perk upgrades ye?

[twilit thistle]

We need a perk tier list.

[cursive depot]

more consistent but barb isnt hard to get full value of

[golden spade]

How? Share the build please?

[signal spade]

Ring of conversion, win

[thorny frost]

I feel like this could be harder than it sounds due to how situational a lot of perks can be :/ even the vorpal vs barb debate. In a lot of games when bosses have phases the second half tends to be harder/shorter so having higher dps in the bottom half could make vorpal a lot more reliable.

[twilit thistle]

🫠

[twilit thistle]

Taniks can do it tho for sure.

Only one i know that beats everything is frat with movement speed. Idc how much dmg it does, +15% movement speed beats everything

[bitter estuary]

Fair

[summer ledge]

Did they ever change it so you need a team for it to work, or is it still just a free 35% damage and 20 reload/handling buff for existing?

[sullen depot]

if you are solo it is active as long as u are alive. that has always been a thing

but in a team it all depends on ur fireteam being alive then

[lusty tree]

Yo guys do you think that the game is dead 😅

[summer ledge]

D2 or Rising? One is gone for another two months. I'll let you guess which one it is.

There are so few players left that hunters have been completely uncontested for the last few days for the event.

[brittle plover]

Fr, I’m maxing TED, Cloudstrike, and crimson lol

Boys tell me why i just took a nap and I was dreaming about TED at max level. Is that passion or what

[empty kettle]

Your dream is telling you to open that 💳

[brittle plover]

Nah I got it all ready. Just need more cores

[empty kettle]

Back to the LC mines you go

[brittle plover]

Yup

[brittle plover]

I wouldn’t be mad

[summer kite]

Tried Cordon for the first time ever and the other player left the group at the start so I had to duo it with a bot 😭

[rotund raptor]

Ur just lucky

Also is cloidstrike bis for efridet?

[elder wing]

All 3 are must! Cloud.ED. Crimson

[lone lion]

Lol bro I got another Izanagi🤣

[rotund raptor]

Asking cuz i have cloud ready to max and crimson cat band 1

[lone lion]

I wanted a Thunderlord

[rotund raptor]

Also after u get 1 weapon lvl 90 and get both the perks to lvl 5 the. The other copys are useless right

[elder wing]

Yeah there’s many build for her and different situations you can use all 3 tbh

[empty kettle]

Usually is like that when playing with randoms

[cyan tide]

If you have all the perk upgrades then yes, unless you want to have another copy with a different perk combination

[frozen tree]

I am camp crimson myself for Efri, love that fire rate

Has gallows v thunderlord been decided yet? Specifically for base kabr but also I’ll take opinions for Estella as well since I may grab her end of season

[frozen tree]

Important to note I have neither so I’ll be starting from scratch for both exotics

[rich veldt]

Ok I haven't played since Ikora^2 was new, on a scale of 1-oh dear god, how much have I missed?

[candid phoenix]

S4 has multiple major systems upgrades, you should read https://discord.com/channels/1267806213656023071/1485935503223296000 and i can help with any questions you have

one of the main things is that pinnacle energy is gone

[twilit thistle]

🫠

[vocal palm]

A big banger shot does that in an instant

[cobalt beacon]

😭

[cobalt beacon]

es with da nine

[vale badge]

When a weapon mod says "deal ++20% precision damage while stationary" does it only apply to that specific weapon or both weapons? And is there a diff between + and ++ or it's the same?

[sullen depot]

only applies to that weapon. it will have to say, "both equipped weapons" for it to apply to both weapons or "they deal" like the pic for it to also be bothweapons

so something like this or this applies to both your weapons

[twilit thistle]

while ur here, for morgrans do i want RC or arby?

[cobalt beacon]

pre sure drawn counts too correct me if im wrong

[sullen depot]

oh yes drawn counts as well

[thorny frost]

Primary counts if you have it attached to your heavy for your primary too.

[sullen depot]

typically RC since that has just more damage output in general. No shinka or elemental shields in morgans so arby is not as necessary

[sullen depot]

i have this on my HH bow which increases the damage output of arby/RC when it is drawn. so that works too

[bitter estuary]

Balls

[rich veldt]

Oh my god SOMETHING NEW

(Oh and she's graced my character roster that's cool and all but I'm more distracted by the actual new honest to god story content)

[twilit thistle]

🫠

😍

[summer ledge]

Barb/Metabolism on the sniper?

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar r u gonna get mad at me for saying frat

[cursive depot]

yea

[rich veldt]

Ah

Ok so I've missed a l o t

[summer ledge]

Correct.

[hard forge]

Is the expanse just unbelievably harder now?

[cursive depot]

gotta lock in for expanse

[rich veldt]

I'm suddenly being reminded of Duality.

And not in a good way.

[hard forge]

I used to be able to do full clears no problem and now I seem to be struggling before 30 idk why

[summer ledge]

Global power sort of went up a bit, artifact gilding got taken out so your health is basically halved, and artifacts need higher stats to max values.

[twilit thistle]

recommended power

[cursive depot]

scaling is a lot steeper. Previously you were prob clearing 40 around 70k+ power which the end round was 72k

[summer ledge]

The bonuses also got significantly reduced on them as well. A lot of the old tier 10 values for 65-70% got reduced to 15-25%.

[cursive depot]

now all stages 31+ are in the 90k+ power delta

so you are generally weaker overall in the new expanse vs the older version

outside of 1-20

[rich veldt]

Bootleg Caiatl???

[summer ledge]

Just wait. There's more.

If you think you like that Duality is sort of a thing, wait until you reach the halfway mark.

[twilit thistle]

heaven.

[summer ledge]

Am I just really, really unfortunate or is Haiaeetus not able to roll boss damage as a trait?

Six rolls so far and every single one rolls base/elite.

[cursive depot]

rng

[visual rain]

@pulsar coral did u finish the base raid title yet? i need to do this friend fireteam triumph for the gild

and flawless njorun

damn if this had overshield this would be so good

[worn jolt]

Are the recommended stuff actually good?

[visual rain]

sometimes

[twilit thistle]

For slots 1 and 2 these are my metas.

[visual rain]

ideally i would get defense, overshield, elemental, health/shield

[worn jolt]

For example the 👍 attributes in weapons should it necessarily be better than the other attributes

[visual rain]

but maybe its better to have health + shield rather than elemental?

idk if the DR from it is any good

[twilit thistle]

Litterally just defense/elemental (either or, hard to decide.) I think defense is better but taniks says elemental is better... One of the two.

[visual rain]

yeah they probably dont stack together well enough to be worth having both

[twilit thistle]

no-no. Dont say that. You will summon taniks.

[visual rain]

@ taniks

[twilit thistle]

Dr provides more health

Its like 50% dr is like 2x health? @indigo solar ? Im not known for being the best at remembering that

[visual rain]

it really depends on the weapon and your playstyle and build

[twilit thistle]

The difference is that healing you can see, and damage resistance you cannot.

[visual rain]

the most i can say is that they are only RECOMMENDATIONS but they are not necessarily best or sometimes even good

[twilit thistle]

Its never the recommended. We actually went thru all of them one day.

Not for artifacts.

For slots 1 and 2 it is actually now, a good idea to also match your rolls too, that way they are interchangeable. (mostly if its any other char running ring of conversion)

(After building two rings of conversions i kinda lost my mind ngl)

[visual rain]

you only have to worry about that if you play more than 1 char :)

[worn jolt]

Just brute stats overall. Pure skill on both builds. Which one of them will give me more dps overall

[twilit thistle]

They make u.

it was in the patch notes

@vast arch I may go insane.

[signal spade]

-_-

[twilit thistle]

💀

[signal spade]

we love timegates on useless stuff

i just queued into 2 new lights

games alive

[twilit thistle]

The idea is that u are supposed to play daily. In reality they dont clear these bounties on a daily, or even a weekly basis so its meaningless.

Imo they need to punish people who dont play daily more.

[signal spade]

yea the metric of bounties is trash when you need to get a 400k score in cordon

which you wont get if you dont log in consistently

[twilit thistle]

im probably cooked for it then lol unless its easy to get that score

[cobalt fjord]

is efrideet strong?

[signal spade]

prob won tbe hard when its like phase 5-6

[last matrix]

no idea im waiting for a pc port

[cursive depot]

huh

[signal spade]

she gets good at like t4-5 shes kinda meh at low talents imo

[visual rain]

@twilit thistle vuln bonus was bad right? i got this

took forever to get solar boost

[cobalt fjord]

0

[karmic chasm]

For solo play especially yes

[cobalt fjord]

so does the new exotic battel pass desirve to pull or i should buy more eggs for the last word

[signal spade]

i think every character is worth getting at base but not all characters are worth throwing talents into past 1 imo

[cobalt fjord]

true i got them all but im not gonna get talent for them

[signal spade]

t1 is usually rly strong but like

some chars need 6 to pop off past that

[sweet urchin]

I cleared all 3 great hunt stages, why it is not completed?

[rotund flame]

I like it when t1 offers a extra skill charge. Other than that they are kinda meh

[signal spade]

great hunt is the hard mode at the top of the page

[summer ledge]

Challenge mode or normal? Stupid question to be asking up front but it is always worth the double check.

[signal spade]

but you dont need to do that one to complete the season thing

[sweet urchin]

Great hunt with lv restrictions

I've done both anyway

[rotund flame]

Thank god, because no way can i do the last part with randoms. By some miracle i did the second part yesterday with some randoms

[sweet urchin]

We can avoid one and still get all phase rewards?

Was it supposed to be done during leaderboard rush ?

[summer ledge]

Maxing three of the four out gets everything. Unfortunately, that one is in two of the trees.

[signal spade]

you dont need to do everything to max out the points im pretty sure

and if you did need to theyd patch that out anyway eventually

esp if it is bugged

[summer ledge]

In its current state it says you need to complete 100% of three of the categories to get all the rewards. Maybe changed later, but as it stands you need to do every single objective in a category to get credit.

[devout void]

nice normal raid leaderboard

[hoary agate]

Aww man 175/180.

[sweet urchin]

I cleared all 3 stages and didn't get the rewards. It is 100% bugged if think

[summer ledge]

Maybe it will count when it ends or something.

Not sure why that might be the case, but it is a possibility.

[twilit thistle]

god roll

[visual rain]

oh ok

now i just gotta fix the 37s...

[sweet urchin]

It's weird

[thorny frost]

So in general I tend to like damage reduction effects over health but there are some exceptions (artifacts that increase over shield improves shield (and to a smaller effect health) effectiveness). I know Taniks use the term effective health, as increasing defense basically give an increase to your survivability similar to health.

Some quick numbers without counting in the secondary effect:
elemental resist maxed: effective health increase of 30.4% health
Defense: effectively 26.57% health
Health and shield: 26.23% health
Shield maintains 26.23 effective health with over shield, but health looses some as it doesn’t get the damage reduction effect till you hit its health point so it is effectively 22.48% health.

They are all fairly close in the end, as health secondary effect is consistent once you are in critical health vs the other ones which trigger once every so often. But in the end there will always be nuances based on artifacts/how you heal.

(Sorry for wall of text I don’t type small when explaining :/)

[summer ledge]

I have noticed having both definitely helps more since gilding bonuses are gone.

Some of it came back with the new system whose name I can never remember, but not quite on the same level.

I remember I could reach almost 5000 shields on Kabr with shield bonus and full gild before.

[thorny frost]

Health and shield tend to have diminishing returns a little bit when both are combined as the additional effects are in essence additive with each other, vs being multiplicative.

[twilit thistle]

health perk is trash shield perk is totem of undying

[thorny frost]

Health perk works ok if you aren’t getting a lot of over shield (basically expecting to hit lower health more often). But as soon as overshields start being used it loses a bit of its strength compared to the others.

[visual rain]

so shield, overshield, defense, elemental on umeko?

[thorny frost]

If using heals that aren’t % base it in essence increases your heals by more as you gain similar survivability as shield (if no overshield) but your total health remains smaller so heals heal a higher %.

[visual rain]

maybe healing bonus instead of elemental actually

[twilit thistle]

elemental or defense. Either or. Tomato tamato.

[thorny frost]

I will let others speak for Umeko specifically as I don’t remember how her heal works exactly, and what her best artifact sets are. I wanted to just give some information.

[visual rain]

basically you spam dash and heal from that

[visual rain]

defense looks better on paper

the effect is definitely a lot better

[twilit thistle]

I said defense bc it has no cooldown, taniks said elemental bc it is bigger number bigger better.

The debate never ended.

[visual rain]

21 to 23.3 is hardly anything compared to having a better effect

elemental effect sucks cus it might just reduce some random shot from a dreg

defense would make you not get one hit by a sniper or something

[twilit thistle]

We reviewed footage of the expanse last season, where shinkas were 1 shotting, and concluded that shield is the one for that.

[visual rain]

but we're talking defense vs elemental

[twilit thistle]

Yea. thats what i mean tho its redundant, its just kinda there to be there 😂 measuring damage resistance efficiency is very difficult to do.

Especially cuz at a certain point, youll just get 1 shot regardless.

[sharp talon]

is there a hive armor piercing substat?

[twilit thistle]

no

U dont rlly need that sub stat god rolled. The only ones that matter for a sight are reduced ads time/range for a sniper or primary respectively.

[thorny frost]

I honestly normally take both elemental and defense. As they tend to be the better options, even if you took one, the other one still raises the effective health by the amount stated earlier for basically all sources.

(Well I would if it actually rolled it lol)

[twilit thistle]

who added the umeko card to magazines?

Cant wait to attempt to grind out the max versions of these. Wasnt a fan of the rarity drops

[thorny frost]

I thought of that one as the jade rabbit mod XD

[crimson crown]

does effy's dash proc the exotic mod "Reloading increases precision damage by +x%

[sage nymph]

no it doesnt

[hard forge]

I wish u could trade in d:r

Like artifacts

I have plenty extras my friend needs and vice versa

[frank moon]

Lol

[visual rain]

got the 15%

this is going to do wonders for izi

[brittle plover]

I love how versatile she is, also like 4 different artifact combos you can use on her reliably

[brittle plover]

Don’t you want it to have boss dmg as the secondary attribute?

And blast radius??? 😭

[visual rain]

mods cant go on exotics so it doesnt matter

this is going on my scout

it increases izi damage when i swap

speaking of which, here's the test results:
Max Ballistic Ammo (Weapons deal +15% solar damage): 866,421
Max Warner Ammo (Drawn weapon deals +15% damage): 995,123
so yes it does just straight up increase damage by 15% for a honed edge shot

[limber pine]

Ima try it out

[neon pebble]

Iirc all damage resistances stack, so neither of them substats are it.

[visual rain]

same test with x3 shuriken + spreading shadow:
2658803 for ballistic
3055356 for warner

[neon pebble]

What content do I do to find mods?

[visual rain]

idk i used a choice thing for this

and got lucky with the 15

[twilit thistle]

public events

[agile wharf]

Is wardcliff worth getting for ikora or nah?

[twilit thistle]

wdym that is what taniks said was god roll

[neon pebble]

Yeah yall play a weird diff game than I do, taniks already knows my builds are lowkey goated

You guys dont take advantage of immortality

82% chance when hit to continue naturally healing 💀

56% dmg reduction off of a hit is huge

Literally anyone can use it

[lapis swallow]

20% damage increase vs Truth but only if you shoot Wardcliff at close range to the enemy

[twilit thistle]

😭 my soul hurts

[lapis swallow]

Truth for ranged damage, Wardcliff for up close damage, HairKora can benefit Wardcliff's damage mechanic when she can basically tank damage and unli laser spam

[cobalt beacon]

ONLY JOLDER

[thorny frost]

2 out of the three main units I play probably wouldn’t like this one XD. Estela doesn’t have great way to redirect away from herself (like blind or what not) so all the small shots I feel will eat these up. And Jolder rage I don’t think would like the constant recovery.

[twilit thistle]

😱

[neon pebble]

?

[twilit thistle]

12!?!?!?

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-17125533328470459107

[neon pebble]

Can still use it 😜 yeah I hear whatya sayin

[sharp talon]

70 spread is so easy

bruh the boss is so easy 😭

[rotund flame]

Might have to just farm new 4 star artifacts at that point. Don't think i have many of those rainbow balls

[twilit thistle]

😭 1 too many.

[sharp talon]

noooo the 67

[rotund flame]

Meanwhile me with my friends and packmates 🗿

[cobalt beacon]

real

[indigo solar]

Yes, don't sacrifice heavy damage for movement speed. That's what primaries are for

[indigo solar]

Yes, X% DR means you take (1-X)x damage, which is equivalent to having 1/(1-X)x health. So 50% DR means you take 0.5x damage, so you have 2x health

[indigo solar]

You want both

On everyone

[dawn plover]

How do people get adept weapons ?

[twilit thistle]

Agree to disagree.

[visual rain]

do they stack additively or multiplicatively?

[indigo solar]

Multiplicative, additive would be broken and lead to true invincibility

[visual rain]

oh

[indigo solar]

Even with multiplicative we can hit over 99% DR

[pulsar anvil]

So what you're saying is that the DR has no limits

Just like we saiyans have no limits

[visual rain]

42% DR on movement ability + 21% from defense + 23% from elemental sounds pretty nice actually

[pulsar anvil]

@sharp talon you hear that, WE SAIYANS HAVE NO LIMITS

[visual rain]

i think im gonna get both now

[indigo solar]

Yep, and even though the number doesn't increase as much the more you stack, the effect never diminishes

The difference in survivability between 90% and 95% DR is the same as the difference between 0% and 50%

[twilit thistle]

Agreeing to disagree. No comment.

[visual rain]

nah im with taniks on this one

[twilit thistle]

👍

[indigo solar]

I mean what other attributes are more important? Remember DR also effectively boosts healing, since every 1 HP lasts even longer

So realistically most chars just want the two, then maybe a healing boost or shield boost, and a free fourth

[visual rain]

it effectively just boosts everything right

health, shield, even overshield?

[indigo solar]

Yep

[modern silo]

Hey I'm looking for English NA clan for destiny rising

[twilit thistle]

I like taniks too much to argue ngl.

[indigo solar]

No tell me

[twilit thistle]

Never.

[visual rain]

i want to hear your argument cus why wouldnt DR be a priority?

[sullen depot]

DR is def a priority imo. Feels so much more tankier

[neon pebble]

Health, Shield, Overshield, Recovery.

44% Health 44% Shield 49% Overshield > 18% dmg reduc from defense or 20% ele reduc from ele resist. 25 sec cooldown on Ele resist sub, and poo sub perk on defense. Too situational

Use dmg reduc artis and character skills

Yall dissapointing me

18% from defense x 2 (health, shield) = 36% 20% ele reduc × 2 = 40%... or 38% health 38% shield "boost"
Compared to flat 44% Health and Shield...
Health and Shield lets Overshield also increase more for free on top of the 49% gain vs 38% overshield from dmg reduction...

@indigo solar 44% health gain + 44% shield gain = how much of an overshield gain? Then how does 49% gain from OS substat stack?

We lost gilded circle thing, health bonuses and such have more value now

[rotund flame]

I failed to upgrade a perk 2 times .... I hate this system already lol

[neon pebble]

Upon testing, overshield substat does not increase overshield cap. Dead stat. Health and Shield both increase the overshield cap though

[twilit thistle]

It was my old setup 🤷🏼‍♀️

[brittle plover]

So does TED actually make sniper do 2x dmg? Or is the buff ONLY to TED itself

[twilit thistle]

Overshield is for ring of conversion

[sullen depot]

Yes. The debuff lasts on the enemy and switching to ur sniper /heavy will buff the sniper dmg on the enemy as long as the debuff lasts

[sharp talon]

they buffed concerto

[stiff breach]

so t6 efri has an electrified spear

[bold fog]

Shared artifact patch when

[empty turtle]

What exotic is currently the best for Estella??

[oak kettle]

This new artifact system is great and all but damn does Syphoning Blazar in particular hate me

I swear I’ve gone through like 200 essence merging artifacts with it to try and turn it from 3 gold into 4 gold and nothing

Also my drop luck always seems to give me the stat I’m trying to remove so half of the artifacts I get are useless for combining to begin with unless I waste more essence to change the bad stat to a different undesired one

[jolly grove]

So when is the moon expansion coming or was it just crota's end?

[sharp talon]

the 2nd big update of the year probably

[jolly grove]

Cool the moon in d1/d2 has always been my favorite location

[thorny frost]

I think the best way to show it is by example.

Say we have 250 health 500 shield (1:2 ratio is what is normal) shield sub stat gives 52.47% shield increases to ~ 763 shield (rounded up) total health with over shield is 2026 health (effectively 2276 due to 50% damage reduction at critical health). Compare this to the 1500 health (1,750 with critical health damage reduction) to one shot someone with 1,500 health with max elemental resistance (23.32) it would take 2282 to one shot in comparison to the 2276 of shield. So elemental resistance gives more health than shield even with overshield factored in.

I will say with overshield factored in shield does come out ahead of defense slightly. I didn’t factor in the fact health gives less of a % with overshield so shield substat increases more of the effective health (defense has effective health 2215), it still does give the better healing like Taniks stated tho (100 heal is a 6.7% heal, vs shields 4.94% health heal).

[old crane]

Hi, does the season quest asking to beat great hunt mean to do it during the leaderboard rush?

[twilit thistle]

Free. Me. From. Chaos.

[modest wasp]

Has there been any updates on the AMD problems for Mumu?

Or is there a specific driver is should roll back to?

[neon pebble]

I re read

You have to factor in we have DR from other places also, its not solely the ele resist

[karmic chasm]

The grind didn’t go away… it’s just able to be even more enslaving now

[twilit thistle]

Im on stage 540.

[karmic chasm]

I respect all the math you do. I was always just like “huh if I have this artifact on, I can tank an over-light centurion. Neat.” And went with it

[brittle plover]

I’m only at 81k power and my crimson is not even close to maxed. 5mil in 10 seconds don’t seem awful?

[karmic chasm]

I’m 81k as well

Haven’t maxed her artifacts

I’m trying to

Then again my 81k Rossi just got mvp over a 93k Efri so skill also matters

[brittle plover]

Yeah fs. My efrideet at 78k power and I was getting mvp over 90k+ helhests and other efrideets. Skill def matters

[twilit thistle]

😭 im 1 roll from being done but the game wont drop it. I have gotten god rolls for hh's 3 and 4, for both arby and rc. But not the 1 and 2 i need for new girl. This is purgatory.

[pine verge]

In what content? Power really only matters when youre under, or just above

[brittle plover]

Raid

[pine verge]

Either way an efrideet getting outdone by a rossi is hilarious

Bro had to be asleep

[karmic chasm]

Dawg I haven’t even completed my artifacts for Efri bc I can’t get a good 2nd slot drop for level 90

[brittle plover]

Or bros god tier Rossi. No hate needed

[thorny frost]

No matter how much damage reduction we have it always works out to be the same. Say we have 50% from other sources it basically just doubles our effective health as all forms of damage resistance is multiplicative (addative would be broken), so 4,552 with shield sub stat to one shot, or 4564 damage to one shot with elemental resistance.

The one thing I am not sure of is the 22% shield every 25 seconds, if it can actually activate even if damage would one shot you. Never found a good way to test that. I doubt it does (assume you need 1 health remaining to gain shield due to seeing people with partial health lost) but if it did then that could be an argument for it. Otherwise the increase to effective healing and its own damage reduction effect secondary effect still give a lot for survivability.

[neon pebble]

250 | 500 | 750 = 1500
×44%
360 | 720 | 1080 = 2160

250 | 500 | 750 =1500
18% dr and 20% dr (.82×.8=65% dmg taken)
1500 × (1+.35) = 2025

[karmic chasm]

I mean I lowkey was. As was corndog

[brittle plover]

U running ring of conversion?

[pine verge]

Rossi has severe limitations when compared to Efrideet. No amount of player expression can change that.

[neon pebble]

@thorny frost

[karmic chasm]

No the one that gives health for prec damage

[karmic chasm]

Yea but a lack of player skill on the Efri can 💀

[brittle plover]

Nah dawg ima put you on

[karmic chasm]

What are you running for 1 and 2 then

[neon pebble]

Or is it 1500 / .65?

[pine verge]

Yeah bro thats what im saying lmao

[brittle plover]

Run ring of conversion slot 2 and nourishing pact on slot 1.

[karmic chasm]

I just love Rossi. There was no reason to push them like I did, but we do what must be done

[brittle plover]

Nourishing pact heal counts everytime u shoot the target who has the spear on her

[karmic chasm]

I’ll check it out then!

[brittle plover]

Ring of conversion turns that into overshield

[neon pebble]

He is comin back, im workin on him first. Bows too good.

[twilit thistle]

somewhere deep in the expanse, a hobgoblin says " those are rookie numbers"

[karmic chasm]

As soon as I get my Efri her weapons I will be doing the same

[thorny frost]

So for damage reduction you need to divide by 1- damage reduction to see what the effective amount would be. If you take the 2025 and multiply it by those damage reductions amount you get less then 1500.

[karmic chasm]

@neon pebble

[thorny frost]

Eased up a decimal

[brittle plover]

@karmic chasm this. Look at the overshield. Makes her basically unkillable

[pine verge]

I prefer cloudstrike on her. I pulled up to 70 pierce ezpz just changing her handcannon to break shields

[neon pebble]

How do you start at 2025 and end at 1328 which is lower?

[karmic chasm]

That’s ridiculous I’ll do that

[sharp talon]

69 rapid fire cleared on jaren with 1 sec to spare omg

[karmic chasm]

Gonna have to regrind my slot 1 but it’s fine

[sharp talon]

69 rapid fire needs electron ammo with base combatant 40% stat for easy clear i think i didnt have it 😭

[pine verge]

They really need to fix that interaction with nourishing proccing on every hit

Either way though I prefer DR

[thorny frost]

I took what you wrote as the effective health and multiplied it against the % of damage we get first (100%-18%) then again from the second source (100%-20%) to get the actual damage dealt.

[brittle plover]

Fix it when they fix cloudstrike bs cooldown

[signal spade]

failed a weapon upgrade 5x in a row gonna throw my phone out the window

[trail jolt]

this season has so many bugs

like why is the contest raid buggy af

[pine verge]

Probably because they're lowering the amount of resources spent on the game

[neon pebble]

Dmg reductions stack with each other first, its actually (.82×.8)
Lets add in a 25% dmg reduc from chiaroscuro too each.
2160 × 1.25 = 2700
1500 × (1+.51) = 2265

[thorny frost]

To get the effective health of the 2 resistance you need to do 1500 (should be 1,750 as the 250 health had 50% damage reduction built in) and divide it by .82 and divide that again by .8. So the effective health of those damage reductions to 1500 health is 2,286.6 health.

[visual rain]

u guys are still going on about this??

[trail jolt]

idk why then they have huge potential

[twilit thistle]

Im in chaos so i cant rlly actually help and show my side of it so ye

[thorny frost]

With damage reduction you can’t really multiply current health by the damage reduction you get. 50% damage reduction does not equal 1.5x normal health. You would need to divide by the (100% - damage reduction) to get the effective health (/50% = 2x normal health)

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[ionic hollow]

Is thunderlord worth maxing out for Estella

[twilit thistle]

No.

[trail jolt]

i heard it was bugged

[twilit thistle]

Its trash. When not bugged.

[sharp talon]

70 rapid fire cleared 🔥

[ionic hollow]

Vs heir apparent.

[twilit thistle]

I stated the answer to this.

I did the testing on a maxed thunderlord.

[ionic hollow]

Gotcha. Yea I know the rate resets on use of summon bug

[twilit thistle]

The total dmg of a full mag of thunderlord vs heir, heir did more dmg. That rules out bugs.

[thorny frost]

We are talking about effective health and not total damage reduction. I am basically doing the same thing as Taniks does in those, but applying the final results to health. The best way to think about it is with 50% damage reduction, enemies have to deal 2x the damage to deal the same health.

[ionic hollow]

Thanks for the info. Just got it and wanted to know before I invested

[karmic chasm]

I’m gonna run chaos all night. What’s the whole set you are running?

[solar narwhal]

how get adept weapons

[solar narwhal]

bro wth is your power

[thorny frost]

I have a tendency to try and over explain things, and will debate for a while. Mostly it is just me trying my best to help tho.

[karmic chasm]

I wanna know how he’s doing rapid without crimson

[brittle plover]

Undaunting spiral on slot 4 is probably better but mine works basically the same

[thorny frost]

You can switch weapons between stages

[karmic chasm]

Yes it’s slightly better that’s what I’m running

[brittle plover]

Rampaging pact in slot 3 is also prolly BIS

[karmic chasm]

Alr lemme go build this

[brittle plover]

I just already invested in these so I kept them.

[twilit thistle]

When i get outa here, i am going to educate u on estelas artifacts 😭 that being said this might be a s10 thing at this pace.

I started today on stage 16. I kept myself in chaos last night.

To a point where my hands hurt.

[frozen tree]

This is goated

Also this will be very nice for those with full inventories

[thorny frost]

One more phase, then I start farming artifacts. If conversion wasn’t so strong I would be tempted to be testing a few different sets. I semi don’t want overshield for her if not running blazing third slot, idea was to capitalize on the healing from misfortune more (as the heals from shooting someone with misfortune doesn’t overflow) and reload of heir by overshield breaking.

[thorny frost]

Yea safeguard is strong I know, as long as you can keep the over shield. Which with survival of floor 43 brings into question at times lol.

[twilit thistle]

The rate at which she heals is ridiculous.

[visual rain]

dude helhest is so goddamn OP i just watched this guy spawn kill an elite THROUGH THE WALL wtf

[indigo solar]

Okay health alone increases effective hp by 36.2% excluding overshield, or 28.2% including overshield. Shield alone increases effective hp by 26.9% excluding overshield, or 30.4% including overshield. Health + shield increases effective hp by 63.1% excluding overshield, or 58.5% including overshield. Elemental resist alone increases effective hp and healing by 32%, with or without overshield. Defense boost alone increases effective hp and healing by 71.6%, with or without overshield. Defense + elemental increases effective hp and healing by 126.6%, with or without overshield

*For resist/healing with a cooldown, I assumed an average resist/hp increase of [amount] / [cooldown]. For instance, elemental resist's resistance of 30.45% with a cooldown of 25 seconds was approximated as a constant 1.218% damage resistance

[thorny frost]

O yea XD it is largely why I haven’t taken off conversion yet. I want to test other builds but I desperately will need major damage reductions to make her survive the one shots. Her healing becomes more insane with more damage reduction as none of her healing is % based.

[visual rain]

taniks what do u make of these artifacts

[rotund flame]

Honestly a nerf. I used this to play old shorter maps

[twilit thistle]

It was healing radiation i was referring to. I tried this setup of efi, and it was trash. but on estella, its full health near instantly.

[visual rain]

i think i got extremely lucky

[stiff breach]

i have like 9 triple loot keys should i use on the arc handcannon

[indigo solar]

If you're running an overshield build you want shield over health

[visual rain]

aw man

i thought i cooked

[thorny frost]

I will need to look into it but the survival per hit seems risky. With perfect other defense statue it would be enough.

[rotund flame]

Is this bow good and usable?

[signal spade]

no delete it

[empty kettle]

Yes, it is

[rotund flame]

I get the bow but still can't get the sniper or hand cannon with a perk lv 5 😭

[minor orbit]

what exotic do i want for Hidden Ikora

i saw mentions of Truth but also heard 4horned Ram is just better

[candid phoenix]

@vast arch i'm still trying to figure out that dunk 3 times & mvp triumph, by any chance did you get MVP on second encounter?

[vast arch]

Yeah I did all my MVP’s on 2nd encounter

[candid phoenix]

in terms of non-battlepass exotics i think wardriff coil will be really strong. Truth is probably the best but it's just really difficult to get maxed out now

[candid phoenix]

Appreciate it, i'll try more in there

[sharp talon]

70 precision 🔥

yay

[visual rain]

it takes 70 to gild???

that is diabolical

[sharp talon]

all weapon types 70

[visual rain]

i cant even get past 31 rn cus the power just makes it impossible

[sharp talon]

what power are u at?

[visual rain]

like 88k only

[sharp talon]

oh

[visual rain]

yeah its rough

emanare is locked behind season levels and i do not feel like doing any more artifact stuff rn

[twilit thistle]

X_X

[trail jolt]

im so mad i missed out

i have to grind her though them shards

[visual rain]

yikes

[twilit thistle]

Throwing in the towel.

[sharp talon]

not even born equal today why??? 😭

[visual rain]

i mean shes not really that good at T0 anyway tho

[twilit thistle]

Weapons master. I had it built so that i was 1 shotting entire rooms. (if it was a small room).

[sharp talon]

ohh

[visual rain]

what how is yours weapons master

[twilit thistle]

I left myself in there all night.

[visual rain]

bruh

[twilit thistle]

If u dont leave, it doenst kick u

[sharp talon]

oh its born equal today

(emea/apac reset happened earlier)

[visual rain]

good i dont like either of these

tried spike shell in adept and nope spike shell is just horrible in the big 26

its so slow

[twilit thistle]

but ya for weapons master on umeko, newest meta is stacking aoe. I did NOT like the fletched arrow one tho. Its too inconsistent.

[cobalt beacon]

💀

[visual rain]

i like fletched arrow

[twilit thistle]

No the gift for aoe.

[visual rain]

oh what

[sharp talon]

what are yalls favorite modifier in expanse

[visual rain]

anything piercing

[rotund flame]

I like the skill related ones. I love spamming spears and clearing rooms

[visual rain]

(not biased)

[twilit thistle]

This one is too inconsistent. It would 1 shot half of the time.

[sharp talon]

i just realized expanse is capping out at 114k power

[trail jolt]

😭

[sharp talon]

get t0 jaren instead 🔥

[trail jolt]

damn i was existed for her

[visual rain]

is he unironically good?

[rotund flame]

That's my pick for the free character. Need a impact character so bad

[twilit thistle]

Next time i am going to try these two. I know sustained spread is pretty much a 1 shot for whatever it touches. I wanna know what happens if i stack.

[sharp talon]

i saw likely saying he was best at t0 compared to other t0 chars

[twilit thistle]

Yea i have taken t0 jaren to the moon. With jaren he is either t0 or t6, there is no inbetween.

[visual rain]

guess ill have to start working on him

maybe once umeko is 100k

[trail jolt]

why is helhast not good at t0?

[stiff breach]

this is what jezibaba wants right

[candid phoenix]

Ur ammo generation is really slow until you hit T4, I think you only have two drone charges at T0 so you can’t level up your drone immediately and have both boosts, most of hel’s higher damage boosts are in t5/t6

I have a T4 Hel and I get destroyed by T6’s in Dps lol

[sharp talon]

i wish til eternal death had a faster fire rate bruh doesnt feel good

[trail jolt]

im cooked then lmfaoooo

i am a f2p player

[candid phoenix]

Just be best friends with someone who has T6 helhest and you’ll never have to worry 😂

[obtuse chasm]

Embold+horror metabolism but both are valid

Did a 20 sec test with Draco and embold beat cornucopia by about 4mil give or take a bit

I was hoping the ammo regen on precisions would benefit it in the long run but the extra dps from embold is just to good

[stiff breach]

dang i dont have that one yet

[candid phoenix]

That jezi roll in shifting gates feels really good too, it’s like a 3 tap

[stiff breach]

time to go back into legion vault lol

[obtuse chasm]

I need to try it out some more I wish I could test out dodge this a bit better in shooting range

[stiff breach]

do you know what mods i want

[trail jolt]

💀

[obtuse chasm]

Embold+horrors metabolism

[stiff breach]

the gold mods not the perks

[obtuse chasm]

Gunna try a few other rolls but that’s looking like the best rn

[sharp talon]

this triumph seems bugged, ive never used a defense char

[humble jacinth]

Have some weapon questions.

Efrideet's best exotic? Heard it's Crimson? Did that change after we got acccess to Cloudstrike?

Is Wardcliff good on Ikora or stick to Truth?

[lone lion]

Good?

[obtuse chasm]

I’d just go with the mods I’m using, then go for min damage and base/elites

Still trying to figure out what’s best for second slot

[candid phoenix]

He's a little stupid after running raid helps for the last 6 hours, i run titanium alloy sight (extra precision, less body shot dmg) and the original exotic mods for now

[karmic chasm]

It’s not crimson, but crimson is really fun and the only valid exotic hand cannon if you are f2p

[obtuse chasm]

Lmaoooo

Yeah I’m sorry I’m tired

[candid phoenix]

i'm surprised you're not fried after helping so many people get through second 😂

[obtuse chasm]

I had to leave the last team because I could tell I was getting irritated 😭 just told them I had to go and good luck

[karmic chasm]

[humble jacinth]

Ok so what's her go to exotic right now?

[candid phoenix]

Crimson is just best F2p for now, i think we need a bit more time with cloudstrike. Crimson's just fun because her dodge overfills mag & increases rate of fire so you've got a pocket SMG>

I'd probably stick to truth for ikora still if you've maxed it out. Wardcliff is a good exotic for F2P/doesn't want to buy the BP weapon tokens. Unupgraded I was hitting about 115k single target damage with it where i hit about 200k/shot with truth maxed

[obtuse chasm]

I second this, we need more time and testing

I’m gunna do a bit more testing once I get my last dupe 😔

[candid phoenix]

i'd have it maxed if the exotic core grind wasn't awful

[limber pine]

I am liking the Eternal death ngl lol

[candid phoenix]

Eternal Death + IST3 is a beast

[limber pine]

And tlw

[obtuse chasm]

Tlw? Last word?

[limber pine]

Yeah

[obtuse chasm]

I can’t fathom using it on efrideet over ted

[humble jacinth]

So it's undecided currently between bp hand cannon and Cloud Strike?

[obtuse chasm]

I mean bp hc is solid

[limber pine]

Well depends if it's solar enemies or arc lol

For stage 2 I used void sniper and tlw and it was solid dps

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I guess that’s valid

[candid phoenix]

Y'all forgetting the best hand cannon: Old prefect 😂

[obtuse chasm]

But then again that’s what ted ist is for

[humble jacinth]

I'll build both. Just wanna know the meta so I can push Expanse further.

[candid phoenix]

I mean if you're pushing rapid expanse with efri it's probably crimson

[obtuse chasm]

I’ll be doing some testing on cloudstrike here soon and I’ll post the results here

[obtuse chasm]

Oh he’s talking about rapid?

[obtuse chasm]

This is just ist atm

[candid phoenix]

no i'm just messing because there is some crazy ppl with efri on rapid

[obtuse chasm]

I’ll be one of them soon now that I’m not prepping for raid lol

[sharp talon]

whats the highest rapid fire on na now?

[obtuse chasm]

I say that now until I get hard stuck round 40 and vive up

[obtuse chasm]

I believe it was 60 something last time I checked

[obtuse chasm]

Lmaooo

[candid phoenix]

the one estela holding the line

[sharp talon]

im on 72 with jaren 🔥

heres emea/apac leaderboard

[obtuse chasm]

I’m going to push 70 with efrideet but gotta switch some arts around

[sharp talon]

69 is very hard

i barely cleared with 1 sec

[obtuse chasm]

Now post the raid leaderboards 👀

[obtuse chasm]

Jaren is fire tho gg

[sharp talon]

which one ? great hunt?

[obtuse chasm]

Yessirrr how many clears did yall end up finishing with?

[sharp talon]

we cleared twice completely with two other ppl

[lone lion]

Going crazy on artifacts

[obtuse chasm]

Nah I mean like in total

For the server

[sharp talon]

ohhh

im dumb sorry

[obtuse chasm]

Nah you’re good bro

[sharp talon]

41

how much on na? 100?

[obtuse chasm]

Also who here is eu and has the final number of completions? I wanted to add en up

[lone lion]

Is it good or mid?

[obtuse chasm]

Like 70 something I think? I’ll check

@candid phoenix what was our final completions? I’m at work and I can’t see leaderboards with my connection 😔

[candid phoenix]

72 total teams, we're 32nd

[obtuse chasm]

Started at 14 too 😔 I’m happy with placement tho in general with how many people finished it

[candid phoenix]

About like 330 individual people cleared?

idk how the board counts, but the last number on individual is 324

[sharp talon]

wait ill check emea/apac in a bit

since there are a lot of duplicate ppl in fireteam leaderboards

[candid phoenix]

until the nerfs happened i don't think many people were doing multiple raid teams for NA/LATAM, we were at 23 clears before the nerfs

if we go by individual numbers only about 55 6 man fireteams cleared

[sharp talon]

206 on emea/apac

[candid phoenix]

how many likes does your great hunt page have

[candid phoenix]

ok that's good

game has at least like 32k people on

[stiff breach]

nourshing pact + ring of conversion is pretty good on efrideet

[trail jolt]

its needs to market

[candid phoenix]

oh yeah we definitely need more, but it's good to see at least 32k ppl care enough to like. There's definitely a higher number than that because most people won't care enough to actually like this page

[tawdry niche]

Is anyone able to help me clear the new raid? I’m on the second mission

[trail jolt]

on normal?

[tawdry niche]

Yes

I’m yet to clear this on normal :*(

[trail jolt]

eh sure why not

[tawdry niche]

Anyone else here able to help?

20298945845

[drowsy cypress]

i think 90% dont care about contest, coz its too hard

[candid phoenix]

oh i'm not talking about completions, just the people that liked the page

the vibe got really killed on saturday when the raid was insanely hard

the nerfs honestly didn't feel like the did much, people just found easier ways to pass the second encounter

[upper elm]

how to clear the challenge for great hunt in seasonal challenge? I have done all 3 encounters on normal and hard?

[drowsy cypress]

and thay dont nerf raid now🤣

[candid phoenix]

pretty sure it's bugged, this is a common complaint. Check tomorrow since we have maintenance tonight

[candid phoenix]

it's much easier now 😭 the snipers and the white centurion grenades would one shot you on the weekend

hell, the centurion void bullets would just one shot you too

[drowsy cypress]

anyway randoms cant clear it🤣

[candid phoenix]

oh yeah i know i've been doing helps for the last two days it's rough

doing third encounter on normal is dumb too

[modest tiger]

Lololol

[bitter estuary]

balls

[bitter estuary]

thissss

and some randoms still die in normal mode, byeeeee 😭

[stiff breach]

ive seen randoms shoot the red tenticles

[bitter estuary]

it's issakis 2.0

electric boogaloo

[stiff breach]

dang this stupid handcannon doesnt want to give me embold/horror

[misty marsh]

[sharp talon]

fire limited time event

[golden spade]

Guys, for the second encounter in the raid (normal difficulty not easy)

What are the best strategies for throwing the balls and receiving them?

[visual rain]

wdym not easy, there is no easy mode

[bitter estuary]

passer stands in the pool of light, tgh right?

normal mode you dont need it but in tgh you do

[misty marsh]

~875 years

[empty kettle]

25-30 generation of lightbearers

[misty marsh]

wasn't drifter like 600 yrs old tho

[empty kettle]

🤷‍♂️

[bold fog]

3 man skip

always

[candid phoenix]

Has anyone figured out how to get the Dunk eye of Njorun 3x and get MVP gilded seal challenge

[visual rain]

yes

[candid phoenix]

🥺

explain

[visual rain]

idk i kinda just have it

but for my MVPs i went into 1st and spawn camped the big guys while teammates threw ball to me

and i dunked like 9 times in each run so that should be enough

[candid phoenix]

😭 so many ppl have it already but nobody knows what they did

it's my last challenge for gilding

[visual rain]

i just explained what i did

[candid phoenix]

9 the first encounter?

[visual rain]

i mean u probably dont need to do 9 obviously but just like dunk EVERY ball u can

be selfish

[candid phoenix]

i did a run where i dunked every ball outside & got mvp but it didn't trigger

[visual rain]

skill issue

the umeko DR build is half complete

[rotund flame]

Funny how most teams don't have this , probably because they cleared it right away. The ones I need are clear with a friend and clear all 3 parts with someone in your pack. I'm never going to get those done lol

[visual rain]

wait til you see the gild challenge

you need MULTIPLE friends

[rotund flame]

Dang friends. My one weakness 😭

I rather it tell me to get MVP 40 times in 2 minutes

[visual rain]

ive been saying this since day 1 of the first gauntlet but MVP triumphs and any of that other bs need to go (for title)

MVP forces selfish play / T6 competition and friend and pack triumphs are just dumb

[pine verge]

Its so lame estela t1 doesnt work with ring of conversion lol

[visual rain]

good we dont need her being even more broken 💔

also isnt it her summons that recover health...?

[pine verge]

estela and broken in the same sentence is diabolical

T1 heals her and summons on attacking misfortune

[visual rain]

brother have u SEEN the damage she does in 2nd encounter

[candid phoenix]

Wdym because they cleared it right away?

[rotund flame]

Yup i got that mission cleared right away. After so many failed attempts. I threw and inserted so many balls lol

[candid phoenix]

Oh like it retroactively completed

Ugh, this is gonna drive me insane

[golden spade]

What is the best estella dmg build for second encounter in the raid?

[obtuse chasm]

Skill issue

[sweet urchin]

Is it bugged? How to report this to the devs?

[obtuse chasm]

They’re patching it today from what I’ve heard

[visual rain]

friend issue