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[summer kite]

Its interesting, that event coming tomorrow, the Combat Lab Event says completing adept things (like strike, etc) give rewards. Adept strike doesnt release until season phase 5 though...are they gonna open it after maintenance instead or?

[finite gazelle]

I got a baklava with fire rush + time marches on and it works pretty well

[finite gazelle]

Adept legendary campaign and chaos are already available

[river vigil]

it'll probably just be for chaos and campaign this time since the strike isnt out yet

[summer kite]

I know, but then why even bother mention strikes and other things that arent unlocked until phase 5 in the notice lol

[frozen tree]

Thats the same roll I got on my sworn oath, I feel as if its underperforming tho

[twilit thistle]

Not much to do with them imo. It’s the difference of 1 shotting an ad 0.00001ms faster, or getting 1 shot by that ad that much slower

[frozen tree]

I might try wrongful ingress, its got a high fire rate. Ill mess around in test range before I grind anything tho

[candid phoenix]

Adept #2 let's go

[finite gazelle]

Baklava lowkey feels better than sworn oath to me, I've used both

[bold fog]

wait how did u get adept

[candid phoenix]

crafted it

[bold fog]

what does that mean

[candid phoenix]

if u have another weapon with the perk upgrades, you can use weapon forging to transfer those perk upgrades to the weapon u want

[thorny frost]

I wonder how much someone need to farm if they just waited the weeks to be able to enhance to the final phase probably would need to be season level 80 or so? In the end it comes down to preference, I don’t mean to say he shouldn’t be annoyed by the time gate but more to just explain aspects of the game instead. We are never going to get away from time gates completely in games. Rather disguised as drop rates or slowly released throughout a time frame.

[broken plank]

I’d like to start my own Wolfpack if any four fine folks wouldn’t mind being my test subjects to get started 😅

[tight talon]

I mean you get higher exp from activities on season phase unlocks anyways.

So someone who'd play 8 weeks after Phase 9 goes live still completes all missions before they are unlocked

Happened with me in Phase 2 itself, boosted me from Season Lvl 9 to Season level 20

[candid phoenix]

don't you lose out on the weekly xp limit if you skip a week though

[tight talon]

And i didn't even hit the weekly limit in the first phase

[candid phoenix]

because the xp doesn't expand +700k it just reset to 700k

[tight talon]

Reached some 180k outta 480k

[thorny frost]

O I meant about waiting till phase 8 or something to start farming, you would need to farm each one to advance, and that could take a bit if you haven’t been playing

[wraith scaffold]

the more I play this game.. the more I realized.. they just copy the portal style mechanics with the difficulty selector and loot selector.

And modifier selector

[thorny frost]

Playing to get weekly enhanced drops tho is one of the ways if someone didn’t want to “waste time” till better drop rates. Take advantage of better drops then before while also getting the quests knocked out.

[summer ledge]

They took my power title so I catched big shark and happy again

Speaking of, are the three new fish available and I have just been unlucky, or are they not in the game yet?

[thorny frost]

I don’t think I have heard of anyone getting it yet

[karmic chasm]

Main they are rolling out improvements all the time huh

[tight talon]

Realistically, if you don't hit 90 and start playing later. From 80 then yeah you still have a fudge ton of grind to do with half powered weapons and artis

[karmic chasm]

Weapons for commissions

[candid phoenix]

at least we have tier upgrading unlike D2 😂

[bleak pelican]

lol

[wraith scaffold]

that is very true!

[tight talon]

Doesn't look like enhanced enough. Wonder if later phases double the drop from weeklies

Rn we still only get 1 guaranteed drop

[summer ledge]

You will use your ugly red trash roll tier 5 and you will like it.

[candid phoenix]

it looks like from phase 3 onward all we get is extra exp

it's up from 6000

[wraith scaffold]

Wait can you still get the black Armory weapon again in this game or is that LONG gone?

[twilit thistle]

Reward lvl +1

[candid phoenix]

shifting gates

[twilit thistle]

It’s not even gone, it’s locked.

[wraith scaffold]

oh goddamnit.. gambit?

[candid phoenix]

there's a bug where leg campaign drops whatever you focus in shifting gates so u could do that

[wraith scaffold]

unfortunate

[wraith scaffold]

hmm I might as well. What is the best to get? the shotgun? Or?

[summer ledge]

Random engrams can drop it as well, but that seems less effective. I did not have any of the weapons going into this season and got all four, plus a few extra random rolls.

[candid phoenix]

phase 3 raises our reward level to 3, and it says that reward levels 3-10 are all the same for at least strikes

[fallow mirage]

is T0 mythic Ikora good?

[twilit thistle]

Wrong menu.

[twilit thistle]

You can get into a menu from there to see all phases

It will increase by 1 every phase. Last phase is reward lvl 10

[thorny frost]

I was just looking at this to see what increased. Yea it looks like it is mainly xp, and Sheafs from legacy increases. The release of new content tho which are tied to phases is another thing tho (prestige onslaught and the strike/blitz mode that drop adept mods shards I believe).

[candid phoenix]

yeah? i showed what the preview rewards for reward level 3 to 10 looks like for strikes including the weekly boost rewards

[sullen depot]

eh here is the thing, if one wants to wait till later to grind all the phases they can go ahead but thenthey cant complain about not getting rewards or titles becuse ofthe time crunch

[thorny frost]

O yea and the drop of stars maxing at phase 4 that is fair XD

[wraith scaffold]

dude. There are so many things I can do in this season which I do like btw.. but holy.. idk where to start. SINCE WHEN DID THEY CHANGE THE ARTIFACTS AND- what the hell are these system changes? 😭

[twilit thistle]

It’s so ez to get lost in the menus. I find new menus every day

[thorny frost]

But looks to be phase 4 is the big one for drop increases. Phase 8 for prestige onslaught

[tight talon]

My brother in Christ, there is no time limited rewards in first place.

[candid phoenix]

u can hold off on artifacts until later phases tbh, just focus on getting good base stat rolls and hoarding artifactual essence. Keep using your 80s until like phase 3-4. Weapons are a worthwhile grind rn though

[twilit thistle]

I’m assuming towards the end phases grow in length, considering there’s only 10

[sullen depot]

you can grind allthat last minute?

[neon pebble]

Someone show me the new sweet mods one that has fire rate on it

[twilit thistle]

It should keep getting easier. Wonder how that translates 🤔

Def gonna hoard tf out of the mats

[tight talon]

I mean i got my Phase II quests completed in phase I itself

[thorny frost]

Aren’t there only 12 weeks in the season tho? We can’t really push farther, specially as current phase is 2 weeks.

[tight talon]

So that should still be possible

[candid phoenix]

there's two, but one is an adept mod

[wraith scaffold]

uhh.. shii… idk which good artifacts and good main focal characters I should be working on. My Estella is at 70k.

[neon pebble]

Bro i can go over 100% fire rate!!!!! Ty

[sullen depot]

well im just saying there will always be that crowd of pple. last season we already hadthe pple compalining about calamity leaving cuz they didnt have enough time to get the titles and all so eh no one should complain if they purposefully put themselves on a time crunch

[candid phoenix]

i'd just prep for the raid if you're participating. You can see elements, shinkas, and recommended characters in the Great Hunt event menu. Remember for raid that attributes and artifact level don't matter

[frozen tree]

Is there a difference between weapon drop from engrams and weapon drops from activites? Or are they functionally the same still?

[thorny frost]

As a note, I hate that phase 2 is 2 weeks XD can’t really work a the Emanare system which didn’t need like any level up mats this phase.

[twilit thistle]

Did u get gaslit by the 2 timers? Phase 4 is in 2

[thorny frost]

O did o miss that ? (Goes and looks)

[twilit thistle]

That’s an or statement, it got me too

[sullen depot]

its one week per phase as long as u hit ur breakthrough. if you hit ur breakthrough late then it takes longer for u to get the phases activated

[frozen tree]

Phase 3 on the 6th

[thorny frost]

For some reason I thought it was still March XD o dear this month went fast

[wraith scaffold]

I’m not planning on doing the new raid because im not fully prepared for it since I haven’t played in like 4-5 months. I ultimately stopped playing right when Jaren released.

[thorny frost]

I thought I had a few more days of March so I pushed that a week farther.

I need a vacation

[candid phoenix]

the fair play rules make it so anyone can participate, but totally up to you. Honestly if you have Helhest you can ignore Kabr-R and Ikora-H is still obtainable so you haven't missed much

[stiff breach]

how you get adept mods

[candid phoenix]

Raid

[sullen depot]

it isnt out yet

[wraith scaffold]

helhest.. she is the arc drone character right?

the supporter

[thorny frost]

Wait a week, then we can start working on them.

[sullen depot]

dont spread misinfo. adept mods arent avaialble until phahse 8

[candid phoenix]

yeah, but she has very strong dps due to her ability that auto-locks crits, riases rate of fire, and reloads rounds. She has extreme dps while using royal contrevene

[twilit thistle]

Can we like sign a petition to get menu guy fired? Some of this stuff is 5 menus deep.

[wraith scaffold]

I pulled new character that came out. So do I focus on her and Helfest?

[sharp talon]

we need better adept mods for jaren

i didnt see any in the list that was good

[thorny frost]

That is one source there is another (although I was wrong it was phase 5 for what I was thinking) let me double check one thing too…

[stiff breach]

why are both the magazine mods for impact suck

[candid phoenix]

We don't really know the full scope of efrideet's kit yet because she's so new and a lot of people are banking on cloudstrike being really strong. If you have like a high tier Helhest i would just focus her though

[sharp talon]

they did buff jaren with new slot 1 and slot 3 mods tho

[twilit thistle]

My bad. 8 menus deep was the furthest I went. That’s 8 taps/clicks/presses to get out of it and back to the game.

[candid phoenix]

I personally have a lot of fun with Efrideet, i can make the IST3 solar sniper hit 400k per shot which is some pretty crazy dps

[sullen depot]

ah there is this one

[sharp talon]

wonder if we are gonna get adept 2 and 3 like lg campaign on chaos

[stiff breach]

which ones you using?

[karmic chasm]

But Kabr is so cool 🥀

[sharp talon]

trench sight and electron ammo

[candid phoenix]

we don't need 3 arc piercing 😭

[karmic chasm]

I agree that Helhest STILL overshadows both Kabr and Efri but I just like them more

Actually I like all arc characters

I’ve used almost exclusively arc characters. It’s not good

Look at my username for example 💀

3 arc piercing yay

[thorny frost]

Yea I combined that knowledge with the patch note, forgetting it is a month range so the adept strikes and blitz release part way through it… so that was my bad

[candid phoenix]

technically rossi is an arc piercing

FOUR ARC PIERCING

[karmic chasm]

Yea he’s rapid

[sharp talon]

i want some condensate as rewards 😢

[karmic chasm]

And piecing. So I’m cooked

[vast arch]

Is health or shields better for overshield?

[signal spade]

we're so back

[sharp talon]

how??

[karmic chasm]

I like Rossi, Efri, Kabr, and HH in that order as my top 4. I’m genuinely so cooked guys

[twilit thistle]

Shield

[candid phoenix]

you're just a very precise person

[sharp talon]

legendary campaign thermo grind?

[vast arch]

damn

[karmic chasm]

I’m a chump 😭

[twilit thistle]

In terms of the perk, health has more hit points. Total health tho is what the overshield is based on.

🥺 did I do good Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN]

[indigo solar]

Almost 100%

[stiff breach]

would you switch to bayonet ammo for boss encounters?

[indigo solar]

Health technically adds the same amount of HP as shield though, not more

[vast arch]

I have 2 siphoning blazar both with elemental/ranged/health/defense 😭

[sharp talon]

ye

[karmic chasm]

@indigo solar how are you feeling about Efri f2p potential?

[indigo solar]

At least not including the tier effect

[twilit thistle]

I know! I meant the other hit point word u said once and I can’t remember

It’s stronger

[indigo solar]

Pretty solid, her talents don't seem to be make or break and she isn't completely reliant on a BP weapon

[twilit thistle]

Just not for an overshield

[indigo solar]

Effective HP

But yeah shield, since it adds 2x the actual numerical value, gives a higher overshield cap

[twilit thistle]

I think @sullen depot needs taught about how that interacts with damage resistance ngl, I wouldn’t mind a refresher on that either

[indigo solar]

It's not a super complicated concept, effective HP is basically how much damage you need to take to die before factoring in effects

[tight talon]

More hitpoints and more DR no die

Truly our Destiny Rising

[indigo solar]

So 50% DR doubles effective HP

And health has 50% DR so despite being 1/2 of the numerical value of shield, the two have the same EHP

[stiff breach]

are shinkas considered powerfuls?

[sharp talon]

ye

[indigo solar]

Yes

[sharp talon]

this is insane for shinkas

my favorite mod

[candid phoenix]

does arbalest have a blast radius lol

[twilit thistle]

@sullen depot ❤️‍🔥 make sense?

[karmic chasm]

Yea I feel like anyone can throw crimson on her and do pretty well. She felt strong before I pulled any other copies. Her spears hit hard

[indigo solar]

Nah if you think it's good for shinkas you haven't seen what it does for red bars

[sharp talon]

wait huh?

[indigo solar]

Takes you from doing 500 damage to a red bar to 500 damage

[thorny frost]

XD

[thorny frost]

They built the universal mod like a blast mod. Didn’t want to help other weapon types.

[karmic chasm]

Maru at t1 or Ikora-h at t1

[twilit thistle]

We. Need. A. Wiki. (And Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN] needs to be the leader of the team creating it.)

[karmic chasm]

For my void

[sharp talon]

ikora at t1 imo

[karmic chasm]

Ok

Does chat agree

[summer ledge]

I will assume the new fish come from what seems to be a currently locked fishing spot in the new area.

[twilit thistle]

For

[karmic chasm]

For my only void character going forward

[twilit thistle]

Which will be used for?

[karmic chasm]

Anything that requires spread

[twilit thistle]

Maru

[summer ledge]

Ikora is a bit wild in terms of damage from what I understand. Also in the permanent pool so if you ever draw there you might get duplicates.

[candid phoenix]

it says they're in daredevil's cave rn, but i haven't seen anyone catch one. I've spent a few hours fishing

[thorny frost]

If it is your only void character going forward Ikora as you will get her from the permanent banner at some point imo.

[karmic chasm]

Hmmm

[twilit thistle]

While ikora is stronger, maru takes less skill, and is more flexible

[karmic chasm]

Good points

[karmic chasm]

Yea but I’m obviously the pinnacle of skill /s

[summer ledge]

I saw that but they all also have placeholder icons. Tried for an hour the other day and no new ones.

[karmic chasm]

I think I might do Ikora, I’ll have to see

[sharp talon]

im not sure how good t1 ikora is exactly tho, ive only played her at t6 💀 while i've heard before maru's talents are not that necessary

[neon pebble]

Im lvl 90 finally

[karmic chasm]

Neither are a priority to build atm

[rotund flame]

Haven't seen any maru players since hair ikora dropped lol

[summer ledge]

Better purple rarity skin.

[sharp talon]

i saw some marus on the spread expanse

[twilit thistle]

Maru doesn’t get anything cool past t1 💀

[karmic chasm]

Maru needs t1 which I have but

Idk Ikora seems better

I just don’t know. And to your guys’ points, I can eventually t6 Ikora

Technically

[summer ledge]

Kabr the Second. Problem solved.

[thorny frost]

I think that is more just due to not as many people pulling her and everyone having at least a T0 ikora. There was a T2 Maru on floor 40 spread expanse.

[karmic chasm]

Well I have him t6 alr 🥀

[twilit thistle]

Ikora gets HH levels of op (in terms of the difference between a lvl 2 drone and a lvl 3 drone, and her lasers)

[sharp talon]

cant kabr use symmetry to b reak spread

[summer ledge]

Symmetry for spread. Arbalest if you can level it for impact and piercing, plus weapons im every element in both columns.

[sharp talon]

someone did 49 with maru wow

[thorny frost]

Her pull is also stupid

[summer ledge]

I have heard the three burst linear does insane damage as well, but no good rolls drop for me for anything except sidearms.

[thorny frost]

O that happened after I last checked this morning.

[twilit thistle]

T0 Maru can do it tbh. I did that on the shank, I was testing maru. As long as you spammed the shield on maru, it fully charged it. No skill required

[rotund flame]

Meanwhile that random estela lol

[neon pebble]

Under 30 pulls lets go!!! Single pulls ftw fr

[sharp talon]

im on emea/apac XD

[summer ledge]

Gallows is still good for utility, it seeks.

[sharp talon]

so the leaderbaord is different

[thorny frost]

Oooooo that is why lol

[karmic chasm]

She gon be fire

[sharp talon]

i need to be 95k to do 60 i think

not enough damage and too many one shots

[karmic chasm]

Ok then essentially just do Ikora since in the long run I can use Kabr for spread and slowly build out Ikora. Maru is dead weight

[simple plank]

my favorite ai generated hero

[thorny frost]

Wonder if that Estela player used her through floor 40.

[karmic chasm]

Efri??

[sharp talon]

ye im curious

the spread leaderboard is weird lol

[rotund flame]

Also random kabr below her. Love it when i see random picks in leader boards instead of the same meta picks lol

[thorny frost]

Ours is all Ikora

[twilit thistle]

Is it? Saw a maru was on top for a while

[summer ledge]

Beard man do all. Loves all.

[thorny frost]

Yea symmetry and Gallows helps out the odd picks.

[karmic chasm]

Alr brb wanna see if I can get any more hairkora

[thorny frost]

It was a bit of a generalization, we have a Jaren and Maru sprinkled in

[sharp talon]

uhm likely was attempting spread with jaren??? lol

[rotund flame]

Random cowboy jump scare lol

[summer ledge]

Doesn't Octant have a bit of splash?

[sharp talon]

it can break spread ye

[candid phoenix]

The first maru i see is at rank 21 stage 40

[summer ledge]

Could be wrong since I have never used it.

[thorny frost]

Looks like semi succeeding too.

But yea 1 Jaren, 1 Maru and 1 Estela in our top 50 for spread

[sharp talon]

what's the highest jaren on the precision expanse im curious

[rotund flame]

Finally a leader board without helhest lol

[sharp talon]

i wonder if anyone has gotten past 49 on precision with jaren

[thorny frost]

Likely 58

[vast arch]

Helhest clearing stage 75 with level 80 artifacts is crazy

[thorny frost]

Jaren new Jolder, able to force any modifier if needed XD

[sharp talon]

he prob used the same bug i did on 49 (piercing) lol 😭 idk how else jaren can do that stage

im stuck on 53 on rapid fire, capture stage where u need to kill rapid fire shinka and the ogre after 💀

[karmic chasm]

Ok bad news I did not pull anymore ikoras but it’s fine, I can get them later

Now for the important stuff, what’s her bis weapons just so I can go get them

[thorny frost]

I am being lazy with expanse, haven’t attempted to push much yet

[karmic chasm]

It’s Helhest. She’s the Gojo of Rising

[thorny frost]

I think we are waiting for after raid to really see. The new rocket launcher could end up being BiS.

[sharp talon]

ive been grinding a lot lately, my ikora and jaren are 89k now and i wanted to push the limits of them XD

[karmic chasm]

Alr I’ll just wait. Don’t need her rn anyway

[sharp talon]

are na rapid fire leaderboards dominated by efrideet?

there is a lone ikora there because u dont need to break shinka on 41-50 until 46

[thorny frost]

I think this is the perk that might help her out. It would allow for quicker generation of her meter if it triggers it multiple times…. But I just notice its radius is complete crud and that makes me sad XD (base of 10 radius)

[rain plinth]

Yeah that sounds about right for Wardcliff

[thorny frost]

All exotic rocket launcher have horrible radius lol….

I mainly used mythic ones before so I never noticed

[summer ledge]

Did they just annihilate super boost on artifacts? I think I remember it capping at 65% like the other bonuses and now it's only a bit more than 25%.

[rain plinth]

Which makes no sense for Truth

[sharp talon]

they lowered sig as well i used to have 78% base effect

[twilit thistle]

🤔 @vast arch when u get kicked from chaos by a intentional network error, from netease, we should get a fireteam and farm Morgrans for weapons and essence.

[thorny frost]

The skill oriented stats on artifacts were gutted.

Ability -> damage boost (going to ~10%) signature and super brought in line with weapon damage increases as well.

[oak kettle]

Truth has tracking tho tbf

[rain plinth]

Is it actually better to farm Morgran's for essence instead of Chaos?

[twilit thistle]

No.

[rain plinth]

Figured

Sadge

[twilit thistle]

But if you want weapons and have a premade fireteam it’s an efficient way to get both in one setting

[summer ledge]

Spike Shell day.

[vast arch]

that's probably a pretty fast weapon farm with the right team

[twilit thistle]

Has to be sweaty tho. 1 round is doable

[twilit thistle]

You can get exotic cores from that too. That’s more efficient than legendary campaigns! (For weapons and as a fireteam. Better than sg)

[thorny frost]

I am just waiting for her to move to the permanent banner now. Got my 180 pick ready and I could buy one of her light spheres from the shop once it is put in.

[summer ledge]

I was not aware you could even hold on to that.

[neon pebble]

Dang, random bump into @lusty gull

[stiff breach]

@sharp talon for jaren's 2nd mod do you do mag and recoil or mag and handling?

[twilit thistle]

Ngl was in the wrong menu.

[thorny frost]

Most of the time I wouldn’t, but I hit 180 around Kabr banner and decided to wait and see how I liked the new permanent units. If I had gotten it earlier I probably would have burnt it on Ning (currently T1)

[twilit thistle]

Apparently that was weekly

Other ones hold up

[sharp talon]

i use rate of fire and handling, i honestly dk if thats good tbh

[thorny frost]

Little surprised it isn’t at least 1 exotic core for that selection for unlimited farm.

[stiff breach]

hmm mag gives you 3 more bullets to fire

[twilit thistle]

🤔 yea so these are not equal

[sharp talon]

it increases total ammo count? or it remains the same, but more in mag

[twilit thistle]

One is just a 20% chance of it dropping and the other is just cursed

[thorny frost]

lol

[stark forge]

more in mag

[sharp talon]

oh idk , personal choice then ig

[thorny frost]

Yea the weapon choice should have something more valuable in it at least.

[twilit thistle]

The enemies die so fast. There isn’t a faster way to farm these that I know of. It’s either round 2 or 3 at worst with a kabr chewing on crayons

[neon pebble]

Where to farm mythic engrams and Night After Night SMG

[twilit thistle]

It’s in there

[rain plinth]

One more Mahamayuri left yayyyyy

(Please end my suffering)

[twilit thistle]

🫠 anyone trying to farm legacy

(Joking, a strike would likely be better 😂)

[vast arch]

tomorrow maybe

legacy can be done in like 2 minutes I think

[rain plinth]

I gotta farm arc and void legacy for like 4 arc characters and Jolder 😭

[stark forge]

ye the only mode i farm waiting for phase 4

[stiff breach]

ok i think ima go with fire rate @sharp talon i did some practice on maxed out shinka in testing area

[rain plinth]

Gods I wish the cluster drop chance was higher

I need so much

[twilit thistle]

Exactly why I can’t comfortably recommend farming those like that.

[storm scroll]

Achoo

[vast arch]

Bless you

[sharp talon]

magic minded and super specialist today lol

[twilit thistle]

You get better and more weapons from strikes, so this would only be for those. You’d miss out on so much other loot you’d fall behind overall

[stark forge]

its not that bad u get 8 clusters for 40-50 legacy runs + u get mythic weapon rolls from strike pool too

[stiff breach]

one of t6 jaren's favorites lol

[twilit thistle]

Seasonal shop? Did U get those? I think it says 1/1 but for others, after u buy, it let buy more (assuming it’s each phase)

[stark forge]

its limited each phase for season shop yeah

[twilit thistle]

That’s a lot. I’d wait, the % chance could go up later in the season

[stark forge]

nah the drop rate stays throughout the season only xp increase per phase

[twilit thistle]

Actually we need to suggest that 👀 just checked

[thorny frost]

Sadly it doesn’t :/

[twilit thistle]

Legacy will be a barren wasteland if we don’t ask for that, literally dogwater in phase 10

[stark forge]

im hoarding a bunch of cluster for emanare lv3 next week rn

[sharp talon]

oh u need cluster for that?

[upbeat rain]

im slightly confused im trying to do the seasonal campaign mission the depths but im not sure how to access it and when i click on the thing to go to it its just showing me charecter quests.

[thorny frost]

And you can’t break mods down for clusters anymore

[stark forge]

could be in the hundreds or more 💀

[sharp talon]

its not available yet

[bold fog]

What time is reset

[upbeat rain]

oh thank you i was was so confused

[twilit thistle]

It might not be in the code. I’m not seeing much of a benefit for anything that blows my mind 🤔 even chaos was a mid uplift.

Legendary campaigns won’t even change?

[bold fog]

Campaign loot looks meh

[sharp talon]

bruh i have 103 clusters right now, i wasnt gonna buy the monthly clusters from the shop. but seeing how emanare needs it 💀

[bold fog]

What time is reset

[twilit thistle]

I can’t wait to see the doom posters.

[rain plinth]

Oh gods you're right

[stark forge]

mobius and incan cluster drain from emanare will make some ppl scream tbh

[twilit thistle]

🤔 @vast arch if I remember how this works correctly, I think u can fix that by making the new one higher ranking, right? Just noticed I was dual wielding them

[vast arch]

Just react and interact and it will resolve itself

[sharp talon]

i checked the chaos rewards based on reward level at launch. the increase was very very small between levels. i think this could be the case

[golden spade]

What are the god rolls for Jezibaba and for Night after Night?

Also the cury mury fuk

[stark forge]

barb/ground for cury

embold/horror for jezi

[tight talon]

For Attal

[indigo solar]

No

Barb/dodge this

[tight talon]

Efrideet rather gets double Thumbsup

[twilit thistle]

it’s fine, it shows I participated in that event (and I chose it for a certain user on EMEA) I just wanted to let u know.

[twilit thistle]

I did that btw 💀 (2 days ago)

[indigo solar]

Groundbreaking loses the buff when you reload, so it only works if you overflow the mag

[tight talon]

It's not? 😭

[golden spade]

Efrideet, jolder and hair Ikora

[tight talon]

What a waste

[karmic chasm]

I used to love this thing

[indigo solar]

Nooo 😭

Why'd you put an upgrade on a lv4 perk

Now when you upgrade to lv5 you could lose the enhancement

[tight talon]

is fine

I am tired of hairkora anyways

[tight talon]

If you wanna see a real brick, look at tis

[prisma pond]

Is that the low blast radius perk? Did you get around to using it, if so, how are you finding its usability?

[tight talon]

The what now

😭

[prisma pond]

The light gl's 3rd perk

It says decreases blast radius with improved direct dmg no?

[obtuse chasm]

Speaking of leaderboards efrideet getting up there 👀

[karmic chasm]

Does the difficulty cap out?

[obtuse chasm]

Wdym

[karmic chasm]

In endless expanse

[obtuse chasm]

I mean kind of, people can keep pushing to their hearts content but at some point they’ll just be hit with a dps wall

If that’s what you mean

I’m pretty sure endless is endless tho

If not the name would be pretty dumb 😭

[balmy raft]

Goes to at least 120 or 130 idk beyond that

[obtuse chasm]

Pretty sure it’s dependent on where you’re at tho, as in how acclaim would only show you beyond a certain amount above your current acclaim

[karmic chasm]

Ok so it can hit an impossible point

[balmy raft]

nah you’ve been able to see the end since s4 dropped

[karmic chasm]

Theoretically

[balmy raft]

Just not sure if there is more after that

[obtuse chasm]

Hmmmm, I hope that’s not the case

[balmy raft]

I doubt it’s actually endless tho

Bulwark was supposed to be endless

[obtuse chasm]

I mean bulwark was “endless” tho wasn’t it?

[balmy raft]

Capped at 99

[tight talon]

I don't remember lol

probably does

[obtuse chasm]

Ah I never attempted past 30

[balmy raft]

It was easy when it 1st dropped when they fixed hoof it wasn’t doable

As far as I know anyways

[twilit thistle]

Rough draft tier list prediction for the season's metas. Low quality, and low effort bc this can change with weapon releases, and content. New char would either fall in A or S, but not enough data to rank her yet. This is for all content and order per tier does not matter. (Also does not consider skill using a char)

[balmy raft]

Gwynn and tan in c imo

Ning in a

[sullen depot]

kabr 2.0 at c tier?

[indigo solar]

Still good for Attal at least

[stark forge]

maru should be b now

[obtuse chasm]

Ning is good in B he’s decent but more of a niche not good in damage

[tight talon]

[balmy raft]

He does good sustained crowd control damage if you know how to play him and have heavy

Def more a than b imo

[indigo solar]

Not anymore

High B for sure

[balmy raft]

Ye

[obtuse chasm]

But slacking in any higher content unless it involves needing to be fast

Not hating on ning I mained him for awhile and still use him but he’s a b for sure

[sullen depot]

Kabr 2.0 should be at least b tier imo

[karmic chasm]

This is absolute garbage im ngl
Lucy 😭
For example, Kabr 2 being that low just bc Helhest is better makes no sense dawg. And Ning?? 😭

[obtuse chasm]

Kabr is more of a B but ning is in the right placement

[karmic chasm]

I didn’t even realize that was b and not c, but yea Kabr is absolutely b

[rotund flame]

My goat estela in A tier . I knew she wasn't washed 😭

[karmic chasm]

Like just because he’s made redundant by Helhest doesn’t make him intently lower on the list.

Otherwise Efri could not be A or S as Lucy is claiming

Everything else is kinda fine, I can’t defend Rossi anymore. He used to be much higher

I’d say Finnala still belongs in her own F tier. Finnala tier

[prisma pond]

Estella feels squishy for me. What are you guys using on her

[sullen depot]

Kabr 1.0 could see some resurgence with thundered combined with his weapon mastery 👀👀

[frozen nimbus]

All chars t0?

[rotund flame]

That i doubt lol

[karmic chasm]

Also some wolf builds are lowkey b tier too

He’s too low

[frozen nimbus]

Then all chars t6? 😁

[sullen depot]

Yeah I doubt this is t0

[karmic chasm]

Especially vs someone like idk tan

[sullen depot]

If t0 helhest actually drops to like an A tier imo

[karmic chasm]

I got ragebaited by a tier list

[rotund flame]

Probably, helhest is kinda mid at t0 same. Estelle feels like she has no uptime on her summons at t0 as well

[karmic chasm]

Jaren would be like the only one in S

[frozen nimbus]

Helpless 😂 sounds good with t0

[twilit thistle]

I had ning at a (taniks). Again, not the final product, we have weapons coming. Feedback taken into consideration.

[prisma pond]

If everyone's t0 then helhest will remain that spot

[sullen depot]

Nah at t0 Jaren is better than helhest

[prisma pond]

Idk about that chief

[karmic chasm]

Sorry I wasn’t trying to be mean but I saw Kabr 2 extremely low in comparison to a redundant char and I was like bruh that’s not now it works

She’s certainly above him, but he’s strong on his own ngl

[rotund flame]

Yup, even though i don't really like him. His kit feels a little more complete at t0 compared to the others

[karmic chasm]

I was cooking with him in S3 Morgrans

[prisma pond]

Jaren has a big barrier to his potential and that is the bp wep

[rotund stirrup]

How do I get the last campaign mission

[karmic chasm]

Yep

Jaren’s t0 is the only one that feels complete right off the bat. His tiers just add damage and cycle stuff

He’s just a space cowboy 🤷‍♂️

[twilit thistle]

Also @indigo solar when dismantling a mythic mod (or about 200 of them), it tells u that its going to give you more than it actually gives. It said 800 and only gave 600.

[prisma pond]

If we're comparing char at t0 realistically means we're looking at it f2p perspective and not being able to max bp wep plays a huge factor in a char effectiveness imo

[rotund stirrup]

So the campaign just ends with zero resolution

[rotund flame]

Always hated how gatcha games bait you into 1 or 2 copies of a character. Some just feel clunky without them 😭

[karmic chasm]

Yep. I hate gacha in general but here I am

[obtuse chasm]

Ehhhh debatable but I can agree with you, now that we have condensate people that missed Jaren can now get him t0 so even a whale could have missed the draw and still get him t0 and be stuck with it

But more often then not you’re only talking about t0 as f2p

So you’re right

[karmic chasm]

Is it confirmed anywhere that condensate absolutely cannot be used for talents?

[sullen depot]

it cannot

[karmic chasm]

Yea but where did we hear that

I felt like the notes weren’t clear

[prisma pond]

Idk the condensate system seems to be a very slow rewarding feature. If you're f2p by the time you're able to collect all the piece the char could've gotten powercrept

[stark forge]

the item description never said talent

[sullen depot]

cuz it can only be used for the ascension or to unlock the character the first time. says it in description

[obtuse chasm]

Debating on doing some testing of this, because as of rn we have no idea what would happen with overflow condensate

[twilit thistle]

It didnt have an f tier, rough draft but he will be lower bc on average hes getting dragged down for me (the creator of the rough draft and not the community one we make later) bc of the use of jade by ppl who dont actually play much.

[obtuse chasm]

Ah nvm didn’t realize it said this

[twilit thistle]

After the raid drops when theres time.

[karmic chasm]

Oh it does say “character activation.” That seems clear. I’ll hope it’s also talents but likely not.

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah but I’m referring to a new whale

[neon pebble]

Make a tier list for each Shinka type, the content is now diverse enough to warrant it. Espec with new expanse.

[obtuse chasm]

A whale could get t0 right this second if they liked and still be able to get bp exotic

[sullen depot]

yeah character activation being if u dont own the character

[karmic chasm]

Put Rossi wherever I’ve given up on him. He was only “good” bc we pushed him very hard

[obtuse chasm]

Does it state anywhere about overflow condensate?

[sullen depot]

overflow?

[obtuse chasm]

Like if we have an extra 5 shards after maxing it will they just be useless

[prisma pond]

Isnt it the same price silver wise to either pull for a new char or get the shards directly?

[sullen depot]

oh like after fully maxing the ascension tree?

[karmic chasm]

Bro I ain’t ever getting a full tree

Maybe on Efri or Kabr if I really push for months on end

I’ll have to pick one of them

[obtuse chasm]

I feel like that’s pretty loopholy seeing as hypothetically you could get a character on your 3rd or even your first

[obtuse chasm]

Yee

[prisma pond]

I got t6 efri f2p just for the heck of it xD
I dont even know how good she is meta wise

[karmic chasm]

HOW

[sullen depot]

oh that i aint sure. will haveto ask someone who already fully ascended

[rotund flame]

I feel like that's a problem most people won't have to worry about for a long time lol

[karmic chasm]

I got t2 really really fast but

[obtuse chasm]

Honestly I would focus solely on ikoras first then whoever fits your playstyle

[karmic chasm]

I haven’t pulled anymore an I’m 30 pulls deep into the next pity

[prisma pond]

Got really lucky.
Avg around 25 to 30 pulls per efri

[obtuse chasm]

I feel like ikora has one of the best ascension stat increases

[summer ledge]

People seemed to like her enough to go out of their way to avoid playing characters matching shinkas on Cordon, if that means anything.

[prisma pond]

Had a bunch of leaf saved up since last 2 patches we had nothing to pull

[karmic chasm]

True. Maybe I’ll add to it but I want more of her talents

[obtuse chasm]

I’m dropping 300 on Friday so hopefully I get your luck 😔 that way I can spend the rest on maxing new bp exotic

[summer ledge]

Rapid fire and impact naturally means we should have two Efrideets.

[karmic chasm]

I never built her, she’s at base power

[karmic chasm]

That’s how Kabr was for me. Felt amazing

[sullen depot]

any bets one while newly released raid exotic will be viable on multi shinka?

[prisma pond]

I pray RnGesus bless your pulls 🙏

[rotund flame]

Real, only reason i also got her to t6 was because i was bored of not pulling for anything lol

[summer ledge]

Calling Thunderlord lightning does spread.

Or Cloudstrike if you can somehow hit the three spots to trigger that lightning.

[obtuse chasm]

I don’t think this would make sense logically but would be funny

[prisma pond]

Having a filler patch was a blessing in disguise it seems xD
I hope they launch more mythic version of other 4 star now xD

[karmic chasm]

Any Kabr 2 mains with updated artifact builds after finishing season 3? A bunch of mine were shared and can’t be used

[summer ledge]

It would make two machine guns that can do spread if it did.

[obtuse chasm]

Mythic Rossi or mythic finalla would be fire

[sullen depot]

i feel wardcliff coil will be good against impact

[summer ledge]

I have changed... literally nothing. Maybe some survival slot substats because artifact gilding going away cut everyone's health pools by what feels like half.

[karmic chasm]

Mythic Rossi would be yet another Arc “main” for me 💀

[karmic chasm]

Ok what do you run

[prisma pond]

Imagine they launching a new wep type like glaive with finala that'd be so 🔥

[summer ledge]

Setup is Warding Pact, maybe swapped for Nourishing at higher level, Unrelenting Evolution, whatever the one is for summons giving bonus damage for 6 seconds, and Inspiring Plasma.

[rotund flame]

Poor future Arc characters. They have to compete with helhest 😭

[summer ledge]

Might switch super boost for solar boost since super was demolished with the new update.

[karmic chasm]

Give Rossi like a bow and then a machine gun or something metal af

[sullen depot]

Satoru Helhest

[karmic chasm]

Bro before this season I was straight up building all of them

[prisma pond]

I hope they implement wardclif coil's shenanigans into this, i wanna re expirence the leviathan day 1 with this upcoming raid xD

[karmic chasm]

My top 3 were Rossi, Kabr, HH, then I was working on Attal. Now I’m working on Efri. 💀

I have a problem

[summer ledge]

Everyone gets compared to her regardless of element, it feels like. Before we had confirmation on Efrideet people were already saying they wouldn't get her if she didn't dramatically outpace Helhest.

[karmic chasm]

She doesn’t but she has slightly more swagger

And I’m someone who actually enjoys HH gameplay, but I only have t1 sooo

She still better than my Efri t2 but idc

Game is game

[prisma pond]

If they make a char surpassing helhest then powercreep gonna hit like a truck for the other poor mythic chars

[rotund flame]

Makes sense. Even i get a little nervous when a t6 helhest is in my games while i use t6 efrideet. Otherwise they make me look like a bot lol

[karmic chasm]

Literally everyone will die

Modulo Yuji ahh

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-modulo-dismantle-gif-15469834678034705558

[prisma pond]

Ngl i outdps a t6 gwen with my t3 efri a couple of days ago. Someone pls tell netease to buff our goth mommy ;w;

[sullen depot]

someone needs to make the "are you the strongest" meme but for helhest

[karmic chasm]

I used to love Gwynn. I only had t0 but I bought the skins and had so much fun back then

Now I’m old and cynical

The seasons… they changed us all

[prisma pond]

Her skin is super well done tho ngl

[karmic chasm]

The hair is nice

Tied back like that

That’s why I got it. All
October she was my homepage lol

[prisma pond]

I wonder why erfi doesnt have a skin on launch? like clockwork every char came with an alt skin on launch till now

[karmic chasm]

Devs lazy. Hopefully it’s something that can kinda sorta match crimson

[rotund flame]

Barley beat this t6 helhest. Only because i was rushing to kill all the mobs for stats. He still did more damage on the boss than me, around 60%

[bleak pelican]

Night chat

[prisma pond]

I think her potential will only get better from now on i think cloudstrider is going to push her above helhest. At least i am hoping it does

[prisma pond]

Morning.

[bleak pelican]

Fam it's 1:18 AM for me

[sullen depot]

im just wondering if cloudtstrike will compete with arby in shinka popping and dmg

[rotund flame]

I hope so , but even still helhest is so easier to play and her kit is so good for yourself and your team

[stark forge]

sounds pretty much like morning for me

[bleak pelican]

Read this with your pfp open

[prisma pond]

Cloud in d2 with divinity was a menace so i am hopeful

[bleak pelican]

You're a Menace

[prisma pond]

Plus there is the pvp cancer but we dont talk about that

[bleak pelican]

Alr for real this time night chat. Maintenance is later this morning so be ready for it.

[rotund flame]

In PVP she's so nasty. A spear into a snipe shot gets a kill 90% of the time lol

[prisma pond]

Yeh just aim in the general direction of the enemy with the roller and ggs

They've nerfed cloud in pvp so many times but its still a staple choice these days. Now it be a more skill oriented wep where you actually gotta aim

[cyan tide]

Done with Jaren and Efrideet, I think it took me like 4 hours to farm their full sets

[thorny frost]

32 pulls worth of silver for the first 40 shards (20% discount in silver shop) if transferring silver -> pulls and not buying bundles. Without the discount it is equivalent of 40 which is the average amount approx to get a unit.

[finite gazelle]

Does ring of conversion really do that much for efrideet I feel like her healing is kinda lacking at base

[prisma pond]

Ah i see
But what about subsequent shards then

[cyan tide]

I have T1 so it gives a decent amount of overshield

[finite gazelle]

Ah talent tree

[cyan tide]

Yeah, at T0 you probably want to use a healing set instead

[finite gazelle]

I still have t0 I might be able to get t1 before the end of the banner though

[finite gazelle]

That's what I've been doing

[prisma pond]

Might wanna hold off till the end who knows what the next char gonna be

[thorny frost]

After the first 40 it is better to transfer silver -> black market and at least get a 10% discount that way just waiting for her to spawn in that shop. Otherwise it is 180 silver per shard. This is mainly for the huge whales, most will probably use pandoras deal+ other options (bundles/just playing) to get shards

[prisma pond]

Looks like a qol addition for the whales to give them more options to spend

[obtuse chasm]

I mean I’m not saying it’s a problem, more so if condensate would transfer towards tiers since they’re already maxed. It’s wishful thinking but just a question I was wondering.

[prisma pond]

Idk as a f2p for now the shards income seems a bit limited almost to a point of not even worth it

Eventually as time passes we might accumulate shards and it could prove more useful so idk

[finite gazelle]

You get enough for a guaranteed new character per season

Which is definitely pretty nice

[prisma pond]

But then again does anyone even know if they're going to add newer char to the universal shards?

[thorny frost]

15 per week, so 90 per act guaranteed/40 choice at the end of the season too. But then you do get some from engrams, which could also be a choice one (need to be used within season) and we haven’t seen what events will be like too.

[cyan tide]

Universal shards expire at the end of the season iirc

[finite gazelle]

Universal shards are universal

[prisma pond]

Rip

[sullen depot]

there are two types one expires and one does not

[prisma pond]

The one we get from quest does that expires?

[rotund flame]

They might add a option to swap shards of another character down the line.

[thorny frost]

Depending on when we get the end of season universal shards tho it would be viable to get next seasons units

[sullen depot]

the one from seasonal quest for 40 expires yes

[karmic chasm]

Still finding Rossi friends out there

[prisma pond]

Thats what i was hoping for, like if i skip 1 char i would've liked to get the next char on day 1 with the shards

[rotund flame]

Just hope when you get the end of season shards the next season doesn't start the next day or something lol

[sullen depot]

it does haha

pretty much expires while maintanance

[rotund flame]

Bru. Does that mean you only have a day to make up your mind and use them? 🗿

[prisma pond]

If thats the case having them timegated seems like a stupid idea

[sullen depot]

chances are ur able rto complete this to get the reward and its not a last day type of thing

you just need to complete 3 out of the 4

[thorny frost]

It depends on how we get them, if they are given out after the season we will have an entire season to spend them. If it is a “collect once missions are complete” thing you will have till end of current season.

[karmic chasm]

I feel like that’s quite a bit of grinding no?

[prisma pond]

If you miss a couple of quest and not get it entire seasonal progress will go down in drain.
It should be put in the earlier rewards

[obtuse chasm]

You’re making ne want to build my Rossi

[sullen depot]

that was always the case. the 40 wasnt gonna be free. they want u to play

[thorny frost]

They give quests over what you need to get 100%

[rotund flame]

Yeah i was also thinking they meant we get them next season to use. Otherwise 1 day to get and use them seems way to tight

[karmic chasm]

Lolol man I took him through EVERYTHING before I hopped off. Everything. Solo GM raids whatever

[prisma pond]

I need to sit down and look at exactly what the missions are now, need to get a basic understanding about how much time commitment it requires

[karmic chasm]

Hmmm I mean that’s totally fine and is good. I’m just wondering if I should go for it

[thorny frost]

I feel like that is what will happen based on the name of the rewards. I just won’t promise it till we can see if we can collect it after 100% the different sections.

[karmic chasm]

This

[thorny frost]

Pointing out bullet point 2 for not needing to complete every quest. Most of the quests are just going to be play the game and its content and you will finish it

[sullen depot]

i mean tbh im already 80/360 aftr phase 2 so if we go at that rate its just 4 more phases/4 more weeks to claim the reward

so i think we are worried about timeline here

assuming the rate of how we are getting quest remains the same of course

[obtuse chasm]

Ooooo I only got him t4 but I’m doing t6 pull for efrideet and he’s in the draws, for sure building him, you got one setup for him already with the new mythics?

[sullen depot]

so if we claim this in 4 weeks i can instead use the condesate on the next Act 2 character

essentially u can get act 2 chracter for free

[karmic chasm]

T4 is the best tbh, after that it’s just nice upgrades

And no I don’t yet

As soon as I figure more stuff out I will hit you up tho. I need to do mute potion and change artifacts

I’m mad tho bc my build before was so nice

Rip lvl 80 Artis

Perfect offensive artifact rolls

[obtuse chasm]

I can’t help it I only build characters I have t6 hence why I end up spending so much on the game 😭

Efrideet has been the sole exception to that but I’m t6ing her soon

[stiff breach]

jeez lol

too bad the shards cant be used to get to t6

[karmic chasm]

Lowkey as soon as I played her I didn’t care what tier I got, I knew I was building her

T2, hopefully gonna get 3 or 4 but we will see

[stiff breach]

is she worth pulling past t0?

i have t6 jaren, gwynn and ikora

[karmic chasm]

Someone said t2 is good

Idk I just throw spears and spam crimson constantly

Brainless activities

A lot like how I played my d2 guardian

[prisma pond]

But dont you guys see a design flaw here?
Like looking at the reward we're not getting the char shards till phase 4 but all endgame activities are mostly revolved around the limited char meaning you're kinda have to cope till you get the char but then the season will end making that char a bit less useful idk maybe i'm overlooking something

[red geyser]

[sullen depot]

u can get the second Act character for free though essentially

[prisma pond]

This looks like a DnA's catch 22 for acquiring new char for free

[karmic chasm]

I mean

It’s still nice, especially if you missed one

Pretty annoying they don’t let you save it though

[stiff breach]

i missed maru and HH

so its either use those on HH or phase 2 character

[karmic chasm]

Efri is really fun

Spear spam and her dodge feels nice in first person

[obtuse chasm]

Bro that’s what I’m saying she got so much hate on release but her kit feels so fun after playing her for a bit

Hitting gm with her tomorrow after work

[stiff breach]

whats the best artifact build for her

[obtuse chasm]

Nimble veil, conversion, summoners pact, spiral

Weapon, damage, arc, sig

[sullen depot]

conversion is if u have t1 tho i think

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah, should’ve asked that first

[obtuse chasm]

What tier

[stiff breach]

i have 85 summons lol should i even get t1?

[obtuse chasm]

She’s one of the only super solid units at t1 imo

I’d say yeah

[stiff breach]

ok

[obtuse chasm]

My opinion is kind of biased tho seeing as I’ve been maining her since release

[zenith hornet]

She doesn't need t1 for the recovery now

[stiff breach]

i mean i pulled her day 1 but my priorities was to rebuild jaren

[zenith hornet]

But it might be a bug

[cyan tide]

With how endgame is set characters don't lose that much value anymore once their season is over. Having a variety of characters with different coverage is more important than having the most recent mythic

[stiff breach]

ok got her t1 with 43 summons saved

that should give me enough time to save up for the next phase lol

[obtuse chasm]

W if you’re a low spender or a mid spender, best single target is new bp exotic, overall use for most content crimson is fun. Sniper will be the new solar, and the arts will be what I listed above. Ultimately tho you don’t have to listen tho play what you think is most fun, but currently until cloudstrike drops that’s your best bet for her

[karmic chasm]

I skipped the first two days of the season luckily and missed the hate

[stiff breach]

your good i listen to most people's builds except jarens lol i already have mine set on him and never changing it

[obtuse chasm]

lol real, yeah I guess everyone was expecting her to blow hellhest out of the water, that and the fact that her being precision rubbed people the wrong way seeing as we already have 3 arc precisions

[karmic chasm]

Honestly let’s just make it Arc Precision Rising

[stiff breach]

well i mean now we have arc precision for each catagory lol

[karmic chasm]

Wdym lol

[stiff breach]

since HH is technically a support

[karmic chasm]

Ohhh

Yes true

[stiff breach]

support dps defense lol

[obtuse chasm]

That’s valid, we have mobility, dps, support, and defense oh nvm you said arc precision

[karmic chasm]

I have them all but only T1 Helhest

[stiff breach]

i have -1 HH lol

i was on break during HH and maru

[obtuse chasm]

lol I’m so mad I missed her 😔

[karmic chasm]

Currently T1 HH, t6 Kabr, t2 Efri but it’s fine

Efri the best of the three for fun purposes

[obtuse chasm]

That’s a solid stack tho

[karmic chasm]

It is yea, and I like them all being a huge arc fan

[stiff breach]

t6 gywnn, t6 jaren, t1 kabr, t6 ikora and now t1 efri lol

[karmic chasm]

T6 Ikora is huge

[stiff breach]

oh and t0 estela

[karmic chasm]

Wish I’d known and stuck around lol. First impressions of her were not good

[stiff breach]

kinda forgot about estela for a sec shes my best friend's main

[obtuse chasm]

I’ve been seeing a lot of jolder t6’s running around, I’m really debating on building her with the new blitz smg

[karmic chasm]

Jolder is a sleeper

She’s so solid

And fun to use

[obtuse chasm]

I have her t6 but haven’t touched her since the update

[karmic chasm]

And cool looking

[stiff breach]

i only have t1 jolder cause ning keeps showing up

[obtuse chasm]

And never had a legitimate build for her

[stiff breach]

t5 ning

[obtuse chasm]

lol that’s me but with Kabr

[karmic chasm]

I’ve had an even spread tbh

[obtuse chasm]

I don’t even have a single Kabr but got ning and jolder t6 😔

[stiff breach]

tbh i think this is my favorite gacha game behind wuwa cause of the pull economy and events

and every character is viable

[obtuse chasm]

My favorite gacha is grand summoners but I feel like no one has heard of it, it’s been out forever at this point lol

[karmic chasm]

I don’t like it because it’s a gacha, I like it because it’s Destiny. I personally can’t stand gacha 😭

[stiff breach]

ive heard of it never played it cause i was playing brave frontier back then lol

[obtuse chasm]

I kinda prefer it for this game specifically tho, seeing as if not you’d have a lot of people refusing to switch of hellhest it encourages or more like forces people to have some diversity

[obtuse chasm]

I never played brave frontier but I heard it shut down 😔

Got a lot of bf refugees in gs

[stiff breach]

yeah which was stupid but the devs own fault for not updating the game in like a year or so for story

[karmic chasm]

I mean I like the cast, I just wish it was more of a hero shooter or something

But I see your point

People invest in different characters and it diversifies things

[stiff breach]

but kids today dont know how good they got it to even have like guarenteed pull rates vs 15 years ago gatchas had no guarenteed banners at all

[obtuse chasm]

No pity/ no guarantee gachas used to be a dark place

[stiff breach]

yup dark place for my bank account lol

i was very irresponsable my early days of gatcha

[obtuse chasm]

That’s understandable I feel like they could’ve went either way with dr would’ve been cool to see what it turned out like if that were the case tho

[obtuse chasm]

Been playing gachas for about 8-12 years and I still haven’t gotten over the irresponsible side of it 😔

[stiff breach]

tbh i would like to see how dr would have been if we wearnt restricted to weapons lol

like jaren with queensbreaker or something i wanna see lol

[karmic chasm]

I mean the way it is now does force diversity. I’ll eventually have a built t6 Kabr, which is not at all something I expected, so it changes my role in a team etc etc

[fiery musk]

"Quests, Increased the volume of sound effects in campaign mission: The Depths"
So... Did we have this quest already or not?

Improved audio cues for unvoiced dialogue...

[stiff breach]

finalla grunting noises

do we know why shes not voiced?

[spring scaffold]

Are you able to get the Renegade Ghost shell from sources other than the upcoming Great Hunt? I have the shell but I don't recall acquiring it, nor do I think I'm supposed to have it.

[stiff breach]

the first raid

[fiery musk]

Normal drop pool from Eclipse Monolith.

[spring scaffold]

Bruhhhh I'm dumb. I've been grinding EM for the shell and didn't even realize I have it already 😭

[oak temple]

help I'm stuck at this quest, must be the 3rd out of 4 from Maru's. Can't swap to her.

[fiery musk]

I have a couple guesses. But it's not like NetEase does PR, so we'll never know.

1. Finalla's VA refused to come back on board. They did seem to want to at least have the Main Story fully voiced.
2. She was never contacted. Unlikely. Though the story of "My agency never told me about it" tends to be common in these cases.

[bold fog]

what artifacts for wolf/umeko

[fiery musk]

Yep. The "you don't need to have the character or have their Proficiency up to do their quests" ends once the quest step requires using her.

I'm stuck on a similar step with Jaren.

[stiff breach]

wait would undaunted spiral be better than valiant veil for jaren cause a dodge is less cd than the effect of spiral?

[oak temple]

or she's in some sort of union that prevents her from taking the job atm 💀 either way this has been going on on several occasions already. NetEase needs to step up and be more professional. The experience without voice is jarring.

[fiery musk]

It's much worse in Efrideet's questline.

Not a single character so much as grunts. Completely silent. Just autoprogresses text with naught even a whisper of wind.

[oak temple]

I've been delaying doing the character quest on purpose due to the issue

[fiery musk]

Tonight's patch notes show no improvement on that front.

Just a hint that the autoprogressing text will have a louder chime as it autoprogresses.

Just completed Efrideet's diary, so I'mma give that a read.

[oak temple]

This game needs a big batch of content and a release of some well known character. It'll live and breath again. Imagine pulling for Zavala lol

[stiff breach]

i mean ikora isnt well known?

[oak temple]

She's important but she's like...always there to enrich the background lol

[fiery musk]

Efrideet should've been something to consider a "break glass in case of emergency" big name release.

However, I feel the content of her release was rather disrespectful.

[stiff breach]

just wait for them to drop fellwinter lol

[oak temple]

Efr is well known in the lore not in the game

[fiery musk]

1. Character quest had zero sound design. Went far beyond just being unvoiced.
2. Her kit is uninspired and has no flavor to it. They took the "Efrideet's Spear" lore tab, saw the Gathering Storm super, and decided to already call it a day with designing her kit.
3. She was released without any cosmetics to invest into.

[prisma pond]

Erf's personality seems carefree just yolo :v

Idk much about d1 lore so dont know her past tho

[oak temple]

If only the iron lords came with SIVA themed season

[tight talon]

She has flavour as a spear spammer. Unfortunately that's all we get

[fiery musk]

Efrideet's lore is honestly fairly mild. She joined the Iron Lords to end the Age of Warlords. Then after that, chose the route of pacifism.

[stiff breach]

technically we had aplayable iron lord since day 1 lol

[prisma pond]

Oh fo sure that's coming someday. Shiva is huge building blocks of destiny lore i cant imagine them not including it

[stiff breach]

probably the 2 banners for that would be felwinter and saladin

[fiery musk]

Honestly, Season 3's Warmind Bunker and Joldr's character quest were big build-ups to approaching the initial Wrath of the Machine lore event.

[oak temple]

Nano bots 🤷‍♂️

[prisma pond]

Btw about story, did anyone else's story bugged out ?
My finala's voice line were swapped with "hmmm" voices in the new main story it was so jarring

[fiery musk]

Intentionally designed as such.

[prisma pond]

Bruv

[fiery musk]

Not a bug.

[prisma pond]

🤦

[fiery musk]

NetEase is a dehydrated horse that's been led to a fresh water river, yet still refuses to drink.

[prisma pond]

The entire main story was so bad and totally looked like something a low quality ai would make i kinda got bored mid way

Of the new patch. I should specify. Up until it was fine

[tight talon]

Tree of light keeps track of logins from previous purchases to current purchase then gives you leaves upfront for every day logged in (30 days max)

[fiery musk]

"Prompt: Write a story using Leviathan assets set 500 years before Destiny 2"

[bold fog]

not a bug, they dont have the audio files so they likely didnt have a contract
destiny 2 had that problem recently due to strikes

[fiery musk]

With those Strikes, it's still just Bungie and NetEase refusing to agree to "don't use AI voices". The union VAs were still allowed to work if the company would agree to that.

[prisma pond]

But i remember reading somewhere that netease decided to completely remove ai from its games a few weeks ago?!

[fiery musk]

That was a false rumor that was almost immediately debunked like 3 months ago.

[prisma pond]

Frankly idc even a lil bit if they use AI or not as long as the final product is of good quality.

[fiery musk]

Do you think tik-tok guy's voice is "good quality"?

[prisma pond]

Who's that lol :v

[fiery musk]

Eh... One of the NPCs by the bounty board in Haven. Has one of the typical packaged voices you hear around the net.

There ARE actually good quality voicepacks out there to use. But NetEase doesn't use them for Destiny: Rising. They use low quality voicepacks that sound more like typical text-to-speech software.

Have an inability to do voice inflections based on situations and emotions. Comes out as monotone when you listen long enough. Also often doesn't pace itself around punctuation very well.

[prisma pond]

Is wolf's va ai as well? If not then they seriously need to look for a career change

[fiery musk]

The various Wolf VAs are supposedly voiced.

I think there's like 6 of em

Or 2

No, there's 3.

Male, Female, and Androgenous.

[prisma pond]

I guess the underline fault would lie on game / voice direction rather than va/ai because someone in dev team looked at the final product and said it was good enough to ship as is.

[fiery musk]

Direction is certainly the problem.

You can only blame the director when the voicepack is bad.

[prisma pond]

I mean there's no way it wouldnt have been mentioned in beta testing

[fiery musk]

Oh it was.

[prisma pond]

🤦

[fiery musk]

"Not representative of final product." This game had so many defenders saying the AI voices were just placeholders, and that they'd be replaced with real VAs for release.

[prisma pond]

Hopium i suppose

[fiery musk]

Efrideet Diary 9 "A Very Old Record"
Efrideet DMs a Dungeon's and Dragons game for the Iron Lords...

[oak temple]

better AI than "Hmm"

[fiery musk]

You'll get conflicting opinions on this one.

[oak temple]

Idc 😂 AI is inevitable

[lapis swallow]

I wish there's some way to grind photons faster aside from just purchasing it from black market, it's the only painful grind in the game atm

[fiery musk]

Some prefer an authentic "hmm".
Others prefer AI.

TBH, software devs used to offer text-to-speech as a well accepted tool for impaired readers.

[fiery musk]

I think I mathed it out to like... 70+ runs on average for a 1.5% drop to hit.

[prisma pond]

I'd rather prefer silence instead of bad ai or sloppy va line tbh.
Let me treat this as light novel and the char gonna perform oscar winning acting in my imagination. 😂

[fiery musk]

I enjoy Arknights, which is a light novel. But it follows some rules that make it a pleasurable experience.

1. It doesn't autoprogress. I can read at my own pace, instead of rushing to read it at the speed of how fast it would be if the characters were actually talking.
2. There's still setting music going on.

[obtuse chasm]

That’s not how rng works, got 2 in the span of 30 runs yesterday

But regardless yes photons are a pain

[fiery musk]

Then there's the "voice lines" that happen during combat. It's kind of a pain in the arse to read dialogue mid-combat.

[prisma pond]

I've heard arknight has good story.
I am pgr player myself so can relate

[fiery musk]

I love Arknights' story.

[prisma pond]

Idk wolf va is so offputing for me i dont even notice these things usually but her voice just seems so rigid and feels like those auto responses you get from an ai bot from 2012

[fiery musk]

I have Female Wolf VA. She's sounded fine to me thus-far.

[prisma pond]

Which one? I have the deep voiced female one

[fiery musk]

Uh... idk. Her voice isn't that deep. Has kind of a smoker's rasp to it though.

[prisma pond]

Hmm that might be the other one.
Maybe its just recency bias since i just came out of wuwa's 3.1 storyline which was peek! So this feels super underwhelming

[fiery musk]

For a 3D game with Gacha monetization, D:R lags behind every other 3D Gacha I know.

A full 6 months of D:R updates has less content than Arknights Endfield's 1st monthly update.

[prisma pond]

Char acquisition is the only standout feature comparatively i think

[bleak pelican]

Just woke up from a bad dream, but thankfully @prisma pond is still alive so the dream lied. Going back to sleep now bye chat.

[prisma pond]

Endfield has horrible gatcha tho

[fiery musk]

Maybe. As I understand, it's pretty comparable to the other successful gachas.

Once you add everything up.

[bleak pelican]

Best gacha I've ever touched is NTE

Got to play the alpha and closed beta that gacha system is immaculate

[stiff breach]

lol i got rossi in endfield

[bleak pelican]

Astolfo

[stiff breach]

yes

[fiery musk]

I'm getting enough resources to guarantee 1 character per patch in Endfield, which is how I understand other Hoyos to work.

[prisma pond]

Sleep well :x

[stiff breach]

ehh not really if your end game in hoyo

[fiery musk]

Not really in which way?

Does Hoyo not offer enough to do that?
Or do they offer enough for both?

[prisma pond]

Congrats cries in another ardelia's dupe

[slow ridge]

Can’t sleep

[stiff breach]

they never give enough to pull 180 pulls lol

in 1 patch

[fiery musk]

Ah, then...

I guess Endfield gacha is at least mildly better than Hoyo's.

[stiff breach]

yes and no

endfield you gotta go to 120 to guarentee yes but the 120 doesnt transfer to the next banner

[fiery musk]

Why would it "transfer"?

[stiff breach]

cause every gacha now of days transfers pity to the next banner

[fiery musk]

Why would I ever pull if not to get to the 120 guarantee then back out?

[slow ridge]

Are the three golden guns findable yet

Or we need wait phase higher?

The new ones

[fiery musk]

3 new golden guns? I'm not too sure what you mean.

Do you mean the raid exotics?

[slow ridge]

There’s a new sniper and two other yeah

[prisma pond]

Nah..

1. No pity carryover
2. 500 per pull
3. Guarantee in 120
4. Requires you to pull for weapon gatcha
5. No guarantee after 50/50 loss
6. Horrible endgame pull income
7. Forces exploration to get meaningful pull currency.

Some game has maybe 1 or 2 or these even 3 or 4 if its hoyo, but endfield collecting bad gatcha habits like pokemon cards.

[fiery musk]

"500 per pull" doesn't mean anything.
Translate that to $ per pull.

[prisma pond]

No idea :v

I never whale so dont know the exchange rate

[fiery musk]

Kind of the point. A US person with 100 pennies being mad that the candy bar they buy in the US for 100 pennies costs 1000 won in Korea is just not understanding conversion rates.

[stiff breach]

it costs $230 to guarentee a unit in endfield

[prisma pond]

Oof

[stiff breach]

but you could get 5 6 stars before you get that character

hoyo i think its like $450 for a hard guarenteed

[slow ridge]

Cloud strike the ward cliff coil and thunder lord guns

[prisma pond]

Um i think i should specify why i said 500 per pull.
The amount you get from doing weakly amounts to like 1-2 pulls and thus having a 500 per pull hurts the player, thats what i wanted to signify

[slow ridge]

When those guns out

[stiff breach]

DR is like $150 to guarentee

but atleast DR is 100% pull

[fiery musk]

4th

[slow ridge]

Ahh nice nice

[keen relic]

Bro so havent played in 4 months

How do i deplete this shield

@fiery musk unc!!!

[prisma pond]

Look at the planets above you you stand beneath the correct color and then shoot at the enemy

[fiery musk]

200 per day.
500 per week.
1300 per event (got several of these)
Then there's the campaigns to get 10 free pulls per banner.
Then there's the campaiigns to get 10 free pulls in general per patch.

[keen relic]

Ahhh ok ok 😭

@fiery musk unc it been so long no talky talk 😔

[fiery musk]

They nickle-and-dime it across a lot of systems, but you do actually get access to a solid amount of pull currency.

[prisma pond]

But 15 days to collect 120 worth of currency tho

Its brutal

Weaklies only refreshes so much

[slow ridge]

Healing veil and nimble veil good for mccreed or is thrrr better combo

[fiery musk]

Hi. I forget who you are. But as I understand, there's some new modifier for needing to stand somewhere to hurt enemies sometimes. I haven't touched that activity too much since coming back yet

[stiff breach]

im good with what i have on endfield lol rossi is so much fun compared to laev

[fiery musk]

15? No. I said 1 character per patch. So more like 34.

[keen relic]

Uncle rein 😭 how could u forget me n bet

[fiery musk]

I'm old. And have never been good with faces anyways

[keen relic]

@hushed crown he hates me 😔

[stiff breach]

@obtuse chasm what defensive substats does efri want

[fiery musk]

Were you a Mod I'm forgetting...

[hushed crown]

What you want now

[keen relic]

No 😭

[keen relic]

Rein forgot me

What can we say to rejog his memory

[hushed crown]

Sound like a you problem @fiery musk

[fiery musk]

Eh

[obtuse chasm]

Weapon, damage boost, arc, signature
Def: ranged, shield, health, defense

[keen relic]

😔 hate my life

[stiff breach]

defensives not attacks lol

[hushed crown]

Idk @keen relic saying weird stuff

[stiff breach]

ty

[keen relic]

Everyone dm me builds of the current ssr characters

[obtuse chasm]

No problem 🫶

[keen relic]

😭 ah so u dont love me either

[prisma pond]

Isnt elemental + ranged + def boost the best overall for most char?

[hushed crown]

Mannn imma about to go to sleep 😴 call your gf 🤣

[keen relic]

Shes sleep too 😭

Yall both leave me 😔

Hate it here

[fiery musk]

_>

[obtuse chasm]

IMO no, I run ranged, def, shield, health for most characters and ranged, def, shield, overshield for anyone reliant on over shields

I guess you could swap health for overshield on efrideet but my efrideet is built for dr not overshields atm

[hushed crown]

Definitely a personal problem then, im waiting for my husband get off from tiktok to go to sleep 😴

[fiery musk]

Well, I don't have a DM history with you. Sure I know you?

[keen relic]

U were called unc rein

[fiery musk]

Yes, I was. I get you know me. But are you sure I knew you?

[prisma pond]

Doesnt every dmg you take is some type of elemental and wouldnt that give us the most mileage?

[keen relic]

Me n u use to argue about helhest abilities 😭

[hushed crown]

[keen relic]

I feel like im being ego'd 😭

[fiery musk]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-24843255

[hushed crown]

[keen relic]

How in the world does @vocal hawk still remember me but u dont

[fiery musk]

I'm old and I'm bad with faces.

[keen relic]

Yeahhh im ego'd 😌

[hushed crown]

Lest not ping ppl aren't active on the chat

[prisma pond]

Soooooo helhest is the most balanced char right? :3

[keen relic]

😭 codys my friend

[fiery musk]

Not the kind of arguments I was involved in.

[hushed crown]

No matter u.u

[keen relic]

Fight

[hushed crown]

He might be sleeping and ping him might wake him up

[fiery musk]

I was involved in minutae arguments about how specific features were working, since Helhest numbers had bizarre outputs at the Range.

[prisma pond]

Oho so was it lore or char design?

[obtuse chasm]

Honestly I normally run ranged, def, health, shields but after looking at the benefit maybe elemental would be better

[fiery musk]

I love Helhest's kit. Even if it was low damage. Lots of micromanaging to keep up with.

[keen relic]

Nah u were pretty much a helhest glazer then cody accidentally put out false info that helhest was posed to have a grappling hook cause it was a false mix up in her beta files rather then a leak

[fiery musk]

I still glaze her.

[stiff breach]

ill probably do elemental then

[keen relic]

Im aware 😭

[fiery musk]

But yes... Helhest's pre-release curry-time was fun.

[hushed crown]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-curry-kawaii-cute-log-gif-7363956

[hushed crown]

We both think about curry at the same time hahaaha

[fiery musk]

It's the best meal in the world.

[keen relic]

5 months ago

I was here 😭

[fiery musk]

I left after S2 provided zero new story content.

[keen relic]

The curry meme has stuck with me

Rein use to get updates from devs

And use to ask me "do u know the flavor of the curry?"

[fiery musk]

I'd ask all sorts of people that at the time.

[hushed crown]

[fiery musk]

"DoorDashing her Curry" was supposed to be a hunt to the grapple feature.

[keen relic]

She doordashes sea food 😭

N doesnt share

[obtuse chasm]

Try elemental, ranged, shield, def that’s what I’m going to switch to

[dusty spire]

😍

[stiff breach]

ill try to get one i just got this lol

[obtuse chasm]

Honestly that works just as good

[fiery musk]

Oh yeah. 4th thing on Efrideet.
She didn't get a Shadowshaper card.

[stiff breach]

almost a perfect 45 x 4

[obtuse chasm]

I wouldn’t chance the reroll lol

[dusty spire]

Ngl can’t wait for next week phase 3!!!

[obtuse chasm]

Perfect roll imo

[keen relic]

Holy real u still play?!

[stiff breach]

how do you take that pic lol

[dusty spire]

Yes!

[stiff breach]

nvm figure it out

[hushed crown]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-gif-10549939500999441284

[keen relic]

Yeah bro💯💪 respect u been here a min

[hushed crown]

https://tenor.com/view/gn-chat-goodnight-gif-14554906984376890653

[stiff breach]

yeah i cant wait either lol

[keen relic]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-sit-gif-19412202

[hushed crown]

Im already sitting down lol

[keen relic]

🙂 always so literal

[stiff breach]

im thinking of changing valiant veil on jaren to spiral if it activated if weapon is already full or not

[dusty spire]

Gonna take some time to cap all the heroes power again 🥹

They got us with another layer

[keen relic]

Me aswell 😭 this shii is so different

[stiff breach]

tbh not letting us upgrade 80-90 was stupid

[dusty spire]

It would be so easy for us to carry over progress that’s why

[fiery musk]

Where'd he get that from...

[dusty spire]

Lots of us already farmed the hell out of chaos for arts some would have just upgraded and finished

Doing this makes us have to work into the next layer up

[stiff breach]

yes but who is to say next season they make lvl 100 artifact then tell us our 90s are useless

[dusty spire]

Or remain at 80 art strength

[blazing hedge]

the kitkat photo is hilarious 😂

[stiff breach]

they need to replace the green dice with the blue dice in season pass if they do this again lol

[dusty spire]

Fair however to much of this would burn out players, I think this move was generally a balancing factor and to regain activity from existing players who have capped out

[fiery musk]

The entire update is just for existing players, since they didn't market.

[blazing hedge]

is there a hidden debuff or something if I don’t use a characters recommended artifacts? ie I’m really liking the veil set over piercing but it doesn’t have a gold thumb up for it’s ability 👍

[stiff breach]

most things are like that

my jaren is using healing and bellicose veil and they dont have thumbs up on the set

i need to test my theory on spiral lol

[blazing hedge]

Is a character penalized at all in not using their set tho?