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[pulsar coral]

hey hey we dont bad mouth genshin, they might appear and i dont like them

[mortal comet]

is anyone else having trouble with audio?

[pale pine]

Shoot my fault my ip gonna be on Twitter tomorrow isn't it

[oak temple]

😭 NetEase is literally working their butts off to put in more contents for me to even consider pulling. While you're salivating over a company that gives you big fat 0 half a year.

[mortal comet]

i cannot hear any dialogue or music

[pulsar coral]

already is

[thorny frost]

I admit I don’t play D2 but it gets annoying when people hate on it just because it has lost their favor. But yea we need to be careful about throwing rocks in glass buildings XD rising is definitely not perfect and have issues similar to Destiny 2 from what friends were telling me.

[pale pine]

It's joever

[pulsar coral]

nope its jinovar

[cyan tide]

It's March actually

[frozen tree]

tbf all a d2 player has to say is "at least we dont have gacha p2w" and we lose

[pulsar coral]

true it is

[pale pine]

Better make the best of it. Wuwa is mid and the people playing it are in denial

[pulsar coral]

yeah but then we can say, atleast we have refreshing content that isnt rehashes (looking at you nightmare containment)

[thorny frost]

We have to be fair, the content over the last few months have been nothing ground breaking (and I liked Bulwarks). This is the first major update we got, we hope for continued growth, but we are only promised 2 updates a year and smaller updates for engagement

[frozen tree]

tbf this season 4 update is what I expected out of like, season 2

Which is why I stopped playing until this update came out

[thorny frost]

The one counter we have is that our gacha is barely used for contest and PvP. The paid versions are there for farming purposes and just “fun” content.

[pale pine]

Anyway me and my gf are gonna go play some vrchat I'm on the hunt for some curious specimens I can make fun of

[cyan tide]

The update speed is kinda abysmal

[oak temple]

That's a different topic. Do some research on D2. It's so much worse. People don't hate it because it's cool. They hate it because they once loved it so much. Me included.

[thorny frost]

Ok that is semi unrealistic XD

[pulsar coral]

already 3 man riven after saying vrchat

[pulsar coral]

true, i loved destiny until it left the sci fi fantasy vibe and started catering to tourist

[oak temple]

People only pay and play when they feel respected. Bungo literally deleted 80% of the game, citing technical reasons and drip feeds you for years.

[pale pine]

If you fail to teach us I'm locking u with the weirdos in VR

[pulsar coral]

anyway im going to bed night everyone

[cyan tide]

If you take out all the system changes all we're getting are 2 strikes, 3 blitz maps, a new area and a raid. It's a decently sized update but not enough to keep people entertained until the next big update

[thorny frost]

But to basically flame people who still enjoy it, even if it isn’t what you believe in anymore is over the top. Yes devs can completely F up (I have looked into some of D2 history) but that doesn’t change that it can still be fun for people.

[frozen tree]

I suppose, but like season 2 we had 0 story content barely any new weapons besides stuff for explicitely hellhest no new missions iirc

[cyan tide]

Forgot to mention the campaign, which is pretty good but only takes like an hour to beat

[frozen tree]

Like unless you were pulling and building hellhest you had literally nothing to do season 2 of rising

and it took them until now to fix the pinnacle crap

[oak temple]

Put yourself in the haters' shoes. To them, those who are still playing are a big part of the reason why Bungo won't change the way they treat D2. The hope for a better game seems more and more unlikely with the release of marathon.

[thorny frost]

We can’t really take out the new systems completely tho as that is development time. Season 2 is unrealistic to release all that content as it would set a literal impossible benchmark to keep up. Each of the season should have had a bit more to them, but this could not be the update for season 2.

[twilit thistle]

😭 we cooked. Rene right on this. Developmental experience has taught me that we are cooked. Unless there is something new and shiny that randomly appears. They update as fast as 7dtd did, cuz they got about as many developers working on it.

[frozen tree]

I guess my point is that season 2 didnt offer enough to market it as a whole new season. It felt so lackluster and boring

[thorny frost]

With declining retention and sales the remaining players aren’t convincing Bungee they are doing things right. It is not the players playing issue that things aren’t improving.

[oak temple]

If nobody plays their arse game, they will be forced to change unless they're willing to kill off the game for good.

[thorny frost]

And that I could see, they should look into releasing more content… I could hope that with the resources not being diverted to these changes it might happen XD but that is a long shot.

[twilit thistle]

Most of the changes aren’t new content, it’s refactored old content. The effort required to refactor is way lower than building something from the ground up.

[frozen tree]

Im happy with the amount of content in season 4 on the contrary. Also with the pinnacle energy removal basically extending the amount of content that was already in the game lol

[thorny frost]

The game would probably just die, to rebirth a game like FF14 did is very unlikely. Or they will just stop updating it and let it sit like D1 (or just shut down both of them). There needs to be still someone playing that they feel like they can get engagement with for developers to feel inclined to improve.

[cyan tide]

I agree with your last point. I think the lack of content is particularly noticeable in this game because they only did updates every 8 weeks for the first seasons instead of 6 which is what most games do.

And now it seems like every update is gonna be 12 weeks long so it's gonna feel even worse. If they release a season with the same amount of content as S2 but make it last 12 weeks then we might be cooked

[oak temple]

Nah, Destiny is not a game, it's a franchise. D2 is just an installment of that. It can be killed off without repercussion. In fact, many many have been asking for D3.

[tight talon]

Everyone is simply going to burn through so many engrams just for a chance to upgrade their gun

[cyan tide]

I used 20k parameters and didn't manage to get perk upgrades for Cury Mury Fuk

[thorny frost]

This 100%. We can now not really just get a reskin of Shifting gates + 3 blitz for a seasons (although for beginning of a game that wasn’t abnormal if I am comparing it to Genshin). There updates are to far apart now, and the “new paint” has completely worn off, even with the new coat they are trying.

[thorny frost]

O yea that definitely is true. I will not argue our first seasons were lackluster. And I really hope they improve from there, I just got use to first few updates on my new Gachas being lackluster so it didn’t phase me much. Hopefully they can set up a better release cycle for us, I would even take a few refactored content if it is engaging in different ways (still waiting for a defense content, could of even been in legacy maps and I would of been happy in season 3).

[neon pebble]

Is every map still The Pit?

[bitter estuary]

i love xuan wei

[thorny frost]

They did use one of the new strikes in Cordon precision side. And I think rapid fire one is Fulmetor.

Leviathan I think was the new strike in Cordon they used

[livid sable]

It took cury mury fuk to remind me how much I fukn love curry 🍛

[molten pulsar]

I don't even like Bungie that much. I just know that NetEase is worse.

[dark storm]

Did phase 2 drop yet?

[obtuse chasm]

You’re getting blessed today

[candid phoenix]

Morgran's being real nice so we don't hunt him down next

[candid phoenix]

4 more hours

[weak ginkgo]

I Was expecting phase 2 on reset

[obtuse chasm]

Can’t wait I got my efrideet built already for when cloudstrike drops just waiting on the raid to start grinding

[indigo solar]

NA reset

[fiery musk]

This Daily Commission has bricked my account since yesterday. Can't complete it. Can't abandon it.

[candid phoenix]

Are there different resets?

[candid phoenix]

Accept JSM daily it should change it

[indigo solar]

Talk to mu ying and trade to jsm

[obtuse chasm]

You can literally just ignore old commissions when you go to accept new ones

[candid phoenix]

Wait are there different resets? The daily reset for NA is in 8 hours

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah

I believe emea just reset not to long ago

Not sure if EU is different or not

[fiery musk]

Teleporting to JSM now. Glad if it works, but still sucks that I lost two days of RSR daily commissions towards Efrideet's unlocks.

[weak ginkgo]

Yupp phase 2 reset is in 4Hr from now

[candid phoenix]

oh then we're on the same time for phase reset

[oak temple]

Why does my Efr feel lackluster? Is that bcoz of power scaling?

[obtuse chasm]

Nah they just reset as well I think lol hence why they’re saying I thought it was at reset

[fiery musk]

She was built lackluster

[candid phoenix]

i'm so confused 😭

[obtuse chasm]

Probably not built right my efrideet is smacking most of the content rn

[candid phoenix]

is reset the time where your blessing updates right? when we'd normally get more pinnacle energy for the day

[obtuse chasm]

Skill issue

[oak temple]

Dmg is still below Hh and Jaren during my play time.

[obtuse chasm]

Everyone is below HH

Except maybe ikora if you use her spam Strat

[oak temple]

I stopped at T5 lul

[fiery musk]

An Offense Arc Precision characters probably shouldn't fall behind a Support Arc Precision character in output.

[bitter estuary]

juan wei best

[obtuse chasm]

You’re right, but HH is broken and it’s a very well known fact

So should we just set the bar past HH and make all other mythics irrelevant?

Or nerf HH

[oak temple]

Efr could have been a void piercing toon

[obtuse chasm]

Arc piercing is fine, not the problem

But yes void would’ve been better atm

[bitter estuary]

not me seeing a tg main in the wild

[fiery musk]

It comes down to a critical failure in design. Anyone can see they over-engineer Helhest.

And they can't fix it now.

[twilit thistle]

My issue is as a s1-3 whale I always wanted others to experience the same game I was playing. Maybe @indigo solar is right and we should just go full cosmetics. I don’t think locking characters behind months of play is the way to go. If I were a new player I think it would infuriate me.

[obtuse chasm]

Uhhhh yeah, like I said that’s a very well known fact, I’m not arguing with it

[obtuse chasm]

Or just rerelease banners?

[fiery musk]

Probably could've been fixed with planning and testing. It's okay if her effective damage, including damage provided to allies, would've added up to equal Estela's output. But being able to independently blow that out of the water never should've been an option.

That can't undo that, so yes. Powercreeping her, and buffing other Offense characters, is actually the best choice.

Has to be gradual though.

[obtuse chasm]

They can undo it, and the best option is to just nerf HH buffing all other offense character to her point is gunna make content brain dead

[fiery musk]

Can't buff all of them at once, cause that's little better than nerfing Helhest, which won't fly.

[obtuse chasm]

Maybe this

[bitter estuary]

"ascend" feature is a bandaid fix to the helhest issue

[frozen tree]

Actually I think legally they can just straight up nerf her. They have some crazy stuff in the user agreements apparently

[fiery musk]

Doesn't matter if they legally can.

[indigo solar]

I mean new characters really aren't locked behind months of play, new players get a ton of leaves from one-time sources so they can easily draw for new chars while building up their condensate for older characters

But yes we should shift to a cosmetic-first model

(And BP ofc)

[fiery musk]

Meanwhile, not even 1 Efrideet skin

[obtuse chasm]

In all honesty does it matter? I never understood the HH complaints, if HH does good damage get a HH in your team? Theres plenty of them to go around

[candid phoenix]

They did nothing when there was rampant cheating in the crota raid, they don't want to lose players i doubt they would actually nerf a character

[obtuse chasm]

This makes me sad

[frozen tree]

Yeah it blows that we have no efrideet cosmetics

[oak temple]

Hopefully we're in for the better. Devs have used the good last several months changing the system. Time for content focus.

[frozen tree]

At least her base design is really good

[vast arch]

They would make so much money if they focused more on skins

[oak temple]

I'm maxing my Arbalest on Hh so we won't have to care about any piercing ever again.

[obtuse chasm]

lol real af, my buddies all run arby so I’m spoiled with always having them around, personally I don’t have HH 😔 but it’s alright she’s not needed in most solo content

[vast arch]

I don’t spend on pulls so I’m trying to decide if I t6 Efrideet or Hikora from all the leaves I’ve saved up these past few months. Or maybe I continue saving and wait to see what’s next

[indigo solar]

I have to hope it's because they were all hands for s4 game content but sadly a lot of the models were already developed before the alpha

[obtuse chasm]

T6 hairkora is a must

[fiery musk]

My thoughts are known on the matter.

[obtuse chasm]

Efrideet is a pass

[twilit thistle]

I wanna play this with you, don, etc. 😭 whales are always super mean most of the time. They have unrealistic expectations. It’s a shooter. This isn’t Genshin. We have guns.

[frozen tree]

Efri is fun but her talents seem lackluster, a one off wouldn't be a bad pickup

[vast arch]

Let’s play this week!

[fiery musk]

Very Lackluster.

[karmic chasm]

I hate it a lot

[fiery musk]

Efrideet's kit is just vanilla gathering storm and gambler's dodge. No flavor to it.

[thorny frost]

Coming from other gachas this one has allowed every unit to be obtained fairly easily, but yea if we could shift more to skins and actually have it be a viable monetization method it would be preferred. I just don’t know if we (now) have the player base to pull it off. I like the idea of also allowing optional Ad watching too to allow revenue from F2P, or my thought of how the black market should have been a player shop thing to distribute silver to F2P as well. I just don’t know if we can survive now going skins mainly without another method for spending too.

[obtuse chasm]

It’s only because of the new units recently HH and ikora have set the bar high, but a well built efrideet is still fire I’ve been enjoying it

[frozen tree]

To be fair, I much prefer a character have a good base T0 and lackluster talents. Like, thats a really good design specifically for f2p or dolphins

Not meant to be meta or the best but can crush content and compete with the giga whaled units

[obtuse chasm]

What’s your build

[fiery musk]

This isn't about numbers. This is about the kit not having flavor.

[molten pulsar]

There needs to be a “Whale sponsors other players” program if gacha games are going to continue, lmao

[indigo solar]

Knockback spear is fun

[obtuse chasm]

Damage is flavor, and if you’re not doing good damage it’s going to feel lackluster

[frozen tree]

I do love the spears. They are very fun

And blind spam is very fun too

[vast arch]

I know she slaps. I got one copy of Efrideet but I think I’ll go for hikora. Not really feeling Efrideet and if she’s useful in the upcoming challenge content then t0 will be enough

[twilit thistle]

Should at least be able to pick a free char to unlock on like day 7 or whatever. They were giving out like 1/3 exotics

[thorny frost]

That is the Warframe market concept basically. I have suggested it in the past here too. Warframe survives on feeding whales money to others

[fiery musk]

Not how that works for me.

[molten pulsar]

Which is honestly based af

Game isn’t even gacha either.

[frozen tree]

I hope we get more T0 goats with lackluster talents. I hate characters that are like "oh you need at least T2 for them to be good"

[fiery musk]

Ah, a system like selling characters for stuff?

[oak temple]

Every F2P game does that.

[molten pulsar]

No they don’t. XD

[obtuse chasm]

I got t6 hairkora day 1 and fell in love lol, I’m enjoying efrideet as well and only t6ing her because I’m a whale but totally understand others not doing so.

[fiery musk]

I t6 Efrideet cause I had the pulls laying around from months of... nothing much

[molten pulsar]

I can’t trade silver to other players. Or Lumia Leaves. In Warframe, you can essentially do the equivalent.

[thorny frost]

Like selling photons to other players for silver.

[frozen tree]

Like ning feh is really good but people say you need at least T1 for the second side trick for him to be really good, I don't really like that

[molten pulsar]

Or character crystals.

[frozen tree]

Granted standard pool is a different story

[fiery musk]

A lot of characters do almost need that T1 dupe.

[obtuse chasm]

Please don’t start with this 🤦‍♂️ Warframe is one of the only games that does this

[molten pulsar]

I’d sell all of my Ikora crystals, since she doesn’t even have access to shotguns.

[obtuse chasm]

Every looter shooter brings up that same topic

[fiery musk]

And it's dancing on Destiny's grave.

[thorny frost]

Outside of some MMOs doing selling of premium for ingame currency I don’t really hear about real life dollars currency being passed around much. It isn’t all that common to my knowledge, and definitely not in gachas.

[frozen tree]

Yeah, which is why its so refreshing that efrideet doesnt need any dupes to be good

[molten pulsar]

I’m only saying it because someone else said “every free game does that.” It’s not true tho.

[obtuse chasm]

Funny thing is you’re attempting to ragebait but I’m a Warframe player not a destiny player

[thorny frost]

Now yea, when I first mentioned it that wasn’t quite a thing. Could have done character talent upgrades I guess too.

[frozen tree]

I would lowkey HATE a trading economy in destiny

[oak temple]

F2P games cater to the 5% elite class who spend tons of money while the rest is just a playground for them. That means, the 5% is literally paying to keep the game running for free loaders and small spenders.

[fiery musk]

No. Not ragebait. Just a legitimite fact. Warframe is dancing on Destiny's grave.

[obtuse chasm]

Oh valid, my bad then

[molten pulsar]

Yous good, pookie.

[obtuse chasm]

Warframe wasn’t always at the point that it is and was stale for a long time let’s not forget that

[fiery musk]

And Destiny wasn't always dead.

[bitter estuary]

it basically makes people who have said limited 5* (even at t0) even more stronger

hh’s ascend literally makes the drones give a higher % buff AND damage resistance

[molten pulsar]

But yeah, I’d genuinely pay for my friend to get Gwynn or something if there was a system for that kinda thing.

[obtuse chasm]

You’re genuinely hard to talk to… are you always so negative

[fiery musk]

There's a very clear point here that Warframe is doing something right in the space where competitors are dying.

[molten pulsar]

Well, assuming the game is pleasing me enough.

[obtuse chasm]

Again stating the obvious

Trading is not the move

[livid sable]

I wasn't always like this

[molten pulsar]

Right now, I still don’t have a personal Wolf Den. Nor does Ikora have access to shotguns.

[fiery musk]

Which is why it shouldn't be shut down with "Please don’t start with this"

[thorny frost]

You misinterpreted what I said, basically Warframe turns everyone into a paid playe, by Whales basically paying them to farm for them. This increases the amount of spenders as it allows more outlet for premium currency to be removed from the market (via character/weapon slots/costumes in that game). It is a way to cater to whales but make things “seem” F2P friendly.

[indigo solar]

T1 is pretty much the stopping point for Efrideet for max value

[obtuse chasm]

Trading is 100% not the move for a dying game are you serious?

So yes “please don’t start with this”

[fiery musk]

Is it a move it hasn't tried yet? That's what matters.

[obtuse chasm]

Yes the game that is struggling with revenue should give players the option to spend less by trading instead

Great idea

[fiery musk]

Not a worthwhile point. The game is already "offering free characters three acts in a row".

[molten pulsar]

Ngl, I don’t see why trading can’t be a thing in Rising. It’d honestly alleviate the quality drop that microtransaction heavy games take on.

[frozen tree]

I think trading would be a net negative. There are already ways people can buy progress with silver, and an economy would be super toxic. I dont want people advertising their trades every darn lobby and new players begging for free stuff in main chat and such

[obtuse chasm]

They’re trying something new, trading would defeat the whole purpose the point YOU’RE standing on isn’t worthwhile

[molten pulsar]

That’s what trade chats are for, lmao

[fiery musk]

So you agree that trying something new... is worthwhile... But you want to shut down trying something new... cause it's not worthwhile. You're a clown every time you talk.

[oak temple]

The practice varies but the nature is the same.

[livid sable]

The whole point of the update is that they're trying something new 😂

[obtuse chasm]

Don’t get me started on riven trading in trade chat 😭 I’m having nightmares

[livid sable]

That in itself is pretty bold

[thorny frost]

It was originally a concept of how to monetize Rising more as at the time whales literally couldn’t even spend as much on this game as other gachas. Originally it wasn’t a “buy characters off the market” but a “F2P sell Photons to whales for silver and then they could spend silver on like the journey bundles basically turning them into spenders”.

[molten pulsar]

Anyway, Selling a T6 Ikora. I hate her, so I’m going for 5 silver.

[frozen tree]

And games that have trading need to be designed with trading in mind, and balanced with it in mind. Not everyone wants to be expected to trade in order to match progress with other players

[obtuse chasm]

Please explain how trading would increase revenue?

[livid sable]

Games these days would rather eos than change their business model

So them dropping stamina and adding a fragment system is already a crazy move imo

[frozen tree]

The current profit model is fine, they just need to market thier game and keep players hooked. Season 4 is a step in the right direction and opens doors for net ease. Bringing players back is always a good thing and keeping current players happy always helps

[fiery musk]

Why isn't Warframe dying despite trading?
It's so bad for the bottom line, right?

Clearly, something is working there. (Maybe continuously adding content, and extremely rarely taking it away, but you also shut down that a couple days ago, cause you think it's again, healthier for the game to keep doing self-killing measures).

At this point, I think you're a plant who just wants to keep pushing the ideals that kill Destiny.

[frozen tree]

There's motive to draw, there's whales, theres packs for the dolphins, a worthy battle pass for the light spenders like me. Their cosmetic game could use some work, but thats like my only critique possible

[livid sable]

My take on trading is that if it's done right it can work

[molten pulsar]

Packs actually do need a rework too.

[livid sable]

Warframe did it right, I don't trust netease to do it right

[molten pulsar]

The system is set up in such a way that my small pack got dismantled because I had health issues for 3 days.

[fiery musk]

I'm amused that the only 3 skins they published for S4 are modified Season of Triumph ornaments from D1.

[frozen tree]

Im in shambles cuz theres no new wolf skins since launch and efrideet has no skins at all

[fiery musk]

Normal: 5 cosmetics per Mythic character release.
S4, 3 skins using rehashed content.

[molten pulsar]

Meanwhile, in Warframe, my clan only has me as the active member, meaning I can customize my dojo however I please.

[fiery musk]

True. I have no trust for NetEase either.

[obtuse chasm]

Have I said 1 time that I’m against adding more content? Have I said one time that I don’t disagree with what they’re doing for a certain aspect of the game?
You’re genuinely just word vomiting and hurling insults, are you a new Warframe player or something? Warframe WAS dying, trading had nothing to do with it… as I said already I AM A WARFRAME PLAYER I haven’t played destiny since d1 taken king…

[frozen tree]

I think one thing they could do to increase revenue is bring back old banners. I bet people are itching to spend money on gwynn and estella, and eventually ESPECIALLY hellhest

[molten pulsar]

While also having something for when my friends do want to try it.

[karmic chasm]

I’m about to ascend my hh

[twilit thistle]

😭

[molten pulsar]

I’ll spend more money on the game once they fix packs.

[frozen tree]

One thing whales like is being a completionist, and they cant do that if they cant spend on old banners and T6 all the old characters

[scenic wigeon]

Finnally... now I just need crota pulse rifle... and ill have estela in d2

[obtuse chasm]

Just because I’m disagreeing with your point does not mean that I think the game is in a great state and I’m a destiny fanboy

[fiery musk]

What's the demographics on that? I feel like most players from that period whaled hard on Estela and Helhest, and most current players still around were beta testers already.

[molten pulsar]

Void subclass. You gotta use Hellion.

[scenic wigeon]

Whats that

I dont have the dlc classes

[molten pulsar]

Dawnblade Aspect.

[scenic wigeon]

Solar k

[molten pulsar]

You’re outta luck.

[frozen tree]

Truly idk. But as time goes on there will be more and more drive, especially as new whales enter the scene post season 4 changes

[scenic wigeon]

But the void balls kinda act as summons

[molten pulsar]

Estela is Solar tho

[scenic wigeon]

Combo the ahamkara gloves and monte carlo and it plays like her sorta

[molten pulsar]

Hellion actually acts more like the Ahamkara.

[bitter estuary]

ts diabolical

[scenic wigeon]

Gloves allow 3 charges, and monte charges em like crazy

[obtuse chasm]

600$ is way to much even for me, I’m still going to do it, but it’s unrealistic for f2p

[fiery musk]

You just reminded me to check that "returndrs4" code... wasn't much.

[scenic wigeon]

How would I go about the build

[frozen tree]

Maybe rn theres not too much reason to re-release banners, but setting a precedent is important and any spending on an old banner is pretty much pure profit since they didnt have to actually make a new character or anything

[molten pulsar]

And people think NetEase respects them.

[frozen tree]

Oh I should probably do that too lol

[fiery musk]

Usually these gacha games wait quite a while to start rerunning banners, yeah?

[molten pulsar]

Get Final Shape.

[obtuse chasm]

I hate netease tbh, I was always a gameloft guy

[scenic wigeon]

Broke :(

[molten pulsar]

Dk who gameloft is

[indigo solar]

100 coins and a cluster

[molten pulsar]

But you play Rising.

[obtuse chasm]

Another big mobile gaming company awhile back haven’t seen them around lately tho

[indigo solar]

But hey at least it wasn't 50 glimmer and a blue

[fiery musk]

My only other Gachas are Arknights and Arknights: Endfield. They both do their own thing.

[scenic wigeon]

Then what, solar/prismatic sub, with void balls

[frozen tree]

Depends on the game and depends on the power creep. I played fire emblem heros a ton, and they'd re-run banners and units sometimes as low as a month or two after their first run, at most half a year

[fiery musk]

Two tokens and a blueeeee

[molten pulsar]

Nah. Just solar.

[cyan tide]

Not that long, usually around half a year

[thorny frost]

I won’t get 5* anytime soon but I could definitely see myself slowly progressing through it at least. 110 an act of random shards isn’t horrible. And that is without rng sources or possible events. I am definitely not spending for those tho XD.

[molten pulsar]

Song of Flame too.

[scenic wigeon]

I've spent only like... 50$ canadian on it... even then... it was just the battle pass for that one with the fusion rifle in it

[obtuse chasm]

I’m strongly debating it lol, that ikora ascension is calling my name I might take it slow as well tho

[scenic wigeon]

How would I go about making a strictly solar estela build

[fiery musk]

So it would be about that time for DR... but DR also has only had 7 banners in 32 weeks. Most games would've had about 16 banners by now, iirc.

[molten pulsar]

Money you could’ve spent on something better.

[livid sable]

Furies scorched, or ultimatum/that one solar machine gun

[molten pulsar]

Song of Flame, Hellion, insert whatever for other solar abilities.

[obtuse chasm]

This is a very controversial subject

[molten pulsar]

Could’ve bought Final Shape.

[obtuse chasm]

Nvm that’s valid thought you were referring to spending in general lol

[thorny frost]

Might be good to just wait an act at least, see if other sources are released in events. Or if nothing else convert silver to buy from back market as it would be cheaper then buying with silver. (Logs back on to double check math).

[molten pulsar]

Yeeeee. Yous good.

[fiery musk]

I'm craving more baked potatoes.

[molten pulsar]

Actually, Renegades was/is on sale for… 20? That’s worth it for that expansion, ngl.

[livid sable]

Wendy's morning potato wedges sound so good right now

[obtuse chasm]

I’ll probably do the first tier just to get the added effect and like you said wait for new events and such, I hope netease makes it somewhat doable for f2p but I don’t expect much from them

[fiery musk]

Man. Despite this update, I'm not feeling compelled to do anything after clearing the MSQ and Efrideet quest.

[molten pulsar]

Tbf, the season phase is blocking progress

[fiery musk]

Sure is. I finished off all available phase quests already... Except for the broken MSQ quest.

[thorny frost]

First tier won’t be bad either I feel for F2P. If someone really wanted to main a unit they can use their seasonal shards too specially If getting the new unit through event shards is implemented.

[molten pulsar]

MSQ?

[frozen tree]

Build your artifacts for every character

[fiery musk]

Main Story Quest

[molten pulsar]

Ahhh

[fiery musk]

The only remaining Phase Quest I have left is to complete the "The Depths" mission in the campaign. But uh.... lol

[obtuse chasm]

Screw it gm push on efrideet 😔

[molten pulsar]

It’s not even all available right now. You need the new Onslaught to be available, right?

[fiery musk]

That would be a Phase III quest.

[indigo solar]

Almost certainly the end quest, I don't recall seeing a quest called "the depths" during the campaign

[thorny frost]

Due to that quest I feel the other ones will carry over to next week too XD. Initially wasn’t sure if we would have limited time to finish them.

[livid sable]

Timegating 😔

[molten pulsar]

Same.

[dreamy orbit]

Is estella any good

[fiery musk]

She's great.

[empty kettle]

With how fast players are? It's needed

[indigo solar]

The quest will be available for people still in phase one once contest mode ends

[dreamy orbit]

Oh sweet. I was wondering if she fell off in these last 6 months

[obtuse chasm]

I feel like timegating is valid to an extent since everything is so new for old players and it’s a lot for newer players

[livid sable]

I agree I still don't like it

[dreamy orbit]

I have her t7

[agile breach]

I Js downloaded ts how do I get new characters

[fiery musk]

It obviously has to be, right? If they're gonna give us a quest in Phase I that can't even be completed until Phase III?

[obtuse chasm]

This is real 😂

[thorny frost]

Estela is not top tier but still able to clear the content she works for. She isn’t making any speed records tho.

[fiery musk]

As is, NetEase putting it in Phase I was stupid.

Doesn't matter if it stays or not.

[livid sable]

Imagine 90ing artifacts to find out you can't star them up

[fiery musk]

Can't complete it, shouldn't be present.

[thorny frost]

This is fair

[livid sable]

And now you're worse off than you started

[thorny frost]

Starting tomorrow that will change

[obtuse chasm]

Nah I know base should’ve been better that’s for sure it sets new players at a disadvantage

[livid sable]

It didn't happen to me though because I'm the best

[obtuse chasm]

That being said tomorrow will change everything

[thorny frost]

Lowest roll lvl 90 artifact 3* will be better then max roll lvl 80 5*

[fiery musk]

We already completed the three stages, the 2 strikes, and 3 Blitzes made available as content. So this "The Depths" quest must just literally be "you can raid now, bye"

[obtuse chasm]

Yup just gotta wait

[empty kettle]

Tomorrow is actually today for me

[livid sable]

Oceanic/SEA time travel go hard

[tropic swift]

Think I just found an Easter Egg.. If you've played Efrideets Missions, you may recall Efrideet throwing Wolf.. Well here is her failed throw, which i'm sure is an Easter Egg 😂

[fiery musk]

They force that even if you aim right

The lack of SFX... voice acting... sound design in general... for Efrideet's quest enraged me.

[obtuse chasm]

4 more hours😔

[tropic swift]

Wait that happens normally?

[fiery musk]

Yep. If you miss. You get that. If you hit. You get that scene anyways.

I have it recorded on my video.

[obtuse chasm]

I’m lowkey loving efrideet so I can’t wait for the update 😔 gunna get a big power jump

Finished all my grolls today gave up on nimble veil

[empty kettle]

All 1 stars

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah didn’t have any 80’s that worked for her after the update

And I’m not focus farming 2*

[sour sphinx]

are efrideets spears considered summons?

[frozen tree]

I heard somewhere that they are

I find it so funny that the best expanse spread is done with maru, followed by a long line of like 90 new ikoras and like the occasional wolf

Like theres not a single other maru in the top 100 but maru is top 1

[obtuse chasm]

Imagine focus farming 2* to min max just to get them for free in 4 hours 😭

[fiery musk]

Efrideet's spears... as summons? Hm... They don't have healthbars, right?

[obtuse chasm]

They’re not tested it already

[frozen tree]

Er, top 50 not top 100. It doesnt scroll down to top 100

[fiery musk]

"Summons" coding in this game is bizarre.

[obtuse chasm]

No, they aren’t

[tropic swift]

I only got that scene by pressing RT after the scene finished when Wolf slammed into the psion. Thought it was an Easter Egg 😔

[fiery musk]

Still an easter egg. Just not a missable one.

[half sky]

Does hairkora's have healthbar?

[fiery musk]

Hell if I know.

[trail fractal]

If u hit something like a boss or high health enemy and the spear is in them. It counts as a summon

[half sky]

Exactly

[tropic swift]

Ah.. Still funny when it showed up. Everytime i tapped RT it would replay the fail, followed by the complete scene again.

[half sky]

Gotta test it out

[fiery musk]

Someone else here said it's been tested to not be already. /shrug

[half sky]

Still can't play on pc fsss when they gonna fix this thing

[trail fractal]

I dont personally use it but my buddy does and it procs for him in cordon

[red geyser]

There are many bugs in this update. some mods like the one I equipped with this shotgun does not reload as fast as it should. And now I noticed there are no volume in the video I sent.

[fiery musk]

The Sound Design team was away on vacation.

See: Efrideet quest

[red geyser]

I am aware of that. I hope Tan - Game Design sees that

[empty kettle]

I wasn't focus farming them, I just keep getting them

[fiery musk]

I've forwarded the feedback a couple ways already.

[red geyser]

I'm not talking just about Efrideet quest , but the other bugs as well.

[dusk apex]

What in the actual hell could the reason be for the lack of voice lines in this update be

[fiery musk]

Didn'

Didn't want to pay VAs.

[dusk apex]

It is annoying and just feels really bad. Which sucks because the story and efrideets story is good

[oak temple]

Jotunn was 1 of my fav back in D2, too bad it's trash here.

[dusk apex]

I cant wait to see how thunderlord is here

[wide halo]

Rapid armament, how do we collect the rewards? It just says speak to the quartermaster in haven to collect the daily reward but there's nobody called the quartermaster.....

I've been trying to figure this out all day

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I have a groll for it and it doesn’t proc, if someone could do actual testing that would be great because I’ve seen both sides of the argument

[fiery musk]

Probably Bazient

[wide halo]

They got nothing for me

Why can't I post a photo in this chat like others can?

[indigo solar]

You need to chat more to level up

If you dm it to me I can post it for you

But that event is very bugged

[fiery musk]

Gotta get a lot of server exp by posting.

[wide halo]

I sent it to you earlier

It's just rapid armaments, it says speak to quartermaster, it's saying I got my daily reward yesterday but idk how I got it. Now I can't get today's

I mean has anybody gotten more than 1?

[obtuse chasm]

Why am I just now realizing ability strength is gone

[hardy folio]

HI

[obtuse chasm]

Hello

[fiery musk]

Hello.

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pulling-rug-rug-pull-gif-20693086
NetEase soon:

[livid sable]

Good ability and signature was a meaningless separation anyway

[fiery musk]

Yep

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah that’s valid

[plush void]

Hi
Complete seasonal campaign mission: The Depths.
Does he mean the main story or also the stories of the characters?

[livid sable]

Not live yet

[fiery musk]

• It's a miscategorized Phase III quest.
• Broken
  One of these two

[plush void]

Okey

Fix update

[livid sable]

I'll tell em

[neon pebble]

Still separate, Taniks said its classified as dmg boost now and effects weapons also

#💭│main-chat message

[livid sable]

😔

[indigo solar]

Ah sorry, it got sent to message requests

[fiery musk]

Oh yeah! This bug too! lol

[obtuse chasm]

Not sure if you’ve done the testing yet but do you know if summoners pact procs on efrideet spears? Been a big question going around

[wide halo]

So is this just a bug then that we can't claim past day 1?

[indigo solar]

But yes the current theory is that it wasn't meant to be sent to everyone, just a catch-up event or something similar. "Claim daily resources from Haven's quartermaster" is an event description, not instructions

[indigo solar]

Her signature only procs if it both hits a target and doesn't kill it. If it kills the target immediately or doesn't hit anything, it doesn't proc pact.
If a phantom javelin doesn't kill a target, the phantom javelin can proc pact, so even if your main javelin killed, you can still proc pact.
If the main javelin kills immediately, it's treated as dropping and refunds 70% energy after about a second. This refund is cancelled if you cast another spear before the refund.
Her super counts whether it hits a target or not

[rotund flame]

Hey at least we might get 200 leaves for that bug lol

[wide halo]

Gotcha, I didn't play at all season 2, I think I missed out on some characters like the gunslinger guy, how can I get him lol

[livid sable]

Fragments™!

[indigo solar]

Only way right now is getting insanely lucky with your condensate drops, or waiting for a rerun

[twilit thistle]

Ngl idk what is going on with the two attribute transfer things. I do know it didnt do what it did before and i now have 2 less artifacts and a cracked phone screen.

[wide halo]

Real

[rotund flame]

Well good news, if you play and complete most of the activities you can potentially get 40 fragments for a character you don't have

[tawdry hull]

Hang on, no pinnacle energy anymore soon? Are we back

[fiery musk]

I love how they rugpull with the "get Efrideet free!". Lol. At the end of the season when they give us the 40 Universal Condensate.

[vocal hawk]

No pinnacle energy since Thursday. Been replaced with weekly completions.

[indigo solar]

The old system was changed so that instead of replacing all four with the four new attributes, the attributes that are the same between them are kept and the different ones get randomly rerolled.
A new system was added that takes the base points from one and transfers them to the other, keeping the other's attributes

[rotund flame]

Yeah don't like how they changed how transfers work. I just got used to the old way and now they changed it again lol

[tawdry hull]

There’s still a limit?

[fiery musk]

Sorta

Limit to best rates.

[tawdry hull]

Oh no weekly boosted is fine

[indigo solar]

New is def better though, you don't need to roll a 4/4 you can roll a 3/4 and reroll it till you get what you want

[vocal hawk]

They buffed the basic rewards as well, to my recollection. Weekly boosted, quite a bit of them too.

[tawdry hull]

I quit because of pinnacle energy

[fiery musk]

Exotic mods are still hard limited, despite supposedly no longer being the best thing due to whatever the Adept Mods are supposed to be about.

[rotund flame]

Oh for sure. Just complaining because they changed it and now i have to farm new perfect artifacts. Lots of people aren't too happy about that. Some people spent money oof

[tawdry hull]

You play 2 days then wait 5 days to do something

[obtuse chasm]

It’s genuinely a good system just not idiot proof

Not saying you are one, just that people don’t look before they do things

[bold fog]

i don't understand how they expect us to forge
when we need a higher level perk and they don't spawn at higher level
"you need a perk lvl 5"
me: "but the're all 0"

[twilit thistle]

😭

[indigo solar]

Is your gun inventory full? Guns sent to inbox are getting set to lv0

[fiery musk]

Congrats, you ran into a critical bug

[obtuse chasm]

Tbh I haven’t gotten anything better then a 4 to drop

[bold fog]

no, they're just all 0's out the box
can't forge with nothing to feed

[rotund flame]

I think the drop rate for higher perks will increase as the phases increase. Right now the highest i seen was 3.

[indigo solar]

Where are you getting them from and what's your team level?

[obtuse chasm]

4’s are possible but I think you’re right

[bold fog]

cashing in engrams at the npc, and im 90

[thorny frost]

You can infinite farm exotic mods, it is just in front lines.

[obtuse chasm]

This honestly might be why

[modern seal]

Is the only way to level up the perk on a gun to do the perk forge?

[indigo solar]

Ah yeah engrams are also 0 only

[bold fog]

uuuuuuuuggggghhhhhhhhhhhh

[obtuse chasm]

Gotta farm

[indigo solar]

You need to get the perk to drop from an activity

[rotund flame]

Yeah makes sense from their point of view. Same with artifacts star levels. I think around phase 3 the lv 90 should start being better than our lv 80s

[bold fog]

if i need 100 of an smg, how do they expect me to get it
those are rng

[indigo solar]

You can use engrams to get the god roll tho

[indigo solar]

Wish for it

[bold fog]

ol

[indigo solar]

Guarantees at least one with each clear

[obtuse chasm]

Yup, I’m enjoying the new changes sucks to be stuck behind a phase lock tho

[dry hare]

Phase 2 is in some hours right?

[empty kettle]

DON'T WISH FOR IT!!!

[dry hare]

Thanks

[obtuse chasm]

Like 2 hours I think

[indigo solar]

?

[dry hare]

6 hours for me :/

[empty kettle]

Ahamkara

[rotund flame]

They don't want people to get end game gear and then quit again. Need people to keep playing lol

[indigo solar]

Oh thought there was a legit reason

[obtuse chasm]

Valid I know they didn’t want people to get to end game fast but I didn’t think about how many people would just quit once they get there lol

[thorny frost]

Maybe it is Morgan doing the wishes, less back lash XD. His twist is that we need to keep farming.

[obtuse chasm]

The endless loop begins 😔

On the bright side I’m done with chaos for awhile now I can actually play the game 😭

[dry hare]

Wait you’re right, I thought it was reset time, they made it 4 hours before then?

[rotund flame]

I had friends pull for t6 characters then leave because they had nothing to do before 😭

[thorny frost]

Chaos is next week or the week after for me

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I thought it would be to

[twilit thistle]

What do you mean? Do you mean the new weapons, or is this about lvl 90? I just got them to drop and it wasn't 0. It was old engrams, and was oversoul decree.

[dry hare]

Not complaining then, I’ll stay up lol

[obtuse chasm]

Same lol looking forward to it

[dry hare]

Any downtime/maintenance or?

[rotund flame]

Yeah i think only new weapon and new perks drop at low level. Not sure about the old engrams

[lapis swallow]

I just wish this game can still last long and entice new players, but oh well, if it ends, I still have Warframe and TDR to look forward to

[unkempt inlet]

Hi

[rotund flame]

Honestly seen a lot of new players recently. So many wolfs lol

[indigo solar]

Lv90 engrams

I've opened about 150 and had only lv0

[livid sable]

I been seeing a lot of old players return

I can tell because they using Estella lol

[livid sable]

So much wolf sticking near me in pubs 😂

[celest robin]

So is the plan to have what’s essentially seasonal resets with this new tier 1-5 model?

[thorny frost]

I have been using Estela since her launch XD there were a few of us who tried to use her in a lot of content, even spread expanse lol.

[livid sable]

I like using her too but she honestly takes too long to kill things

Helhest set an unrealistic standard

[full sonnet]

Doesn’t she has one of the highest DPS?

The mini dragons shred through everything

[livid sable]

There's a ramp up to it, and other units just straight blow things to smithereens anyway😂

[obtuse chasm]

I see there’s an update in App Store but haven’t heard of a downtime maintenance so far

[obtuse chasm]

Do yall have her built? I just ran through a gauntlet onslaught earlier and got mvp every time with some other 80k players

And Ttk was fast af even against rapid shinkas

[thorny frost]

Onslaught, I feel she performs a lot better in, besides maybe the second one, as there is less moving around. Her biggest issue (besides aoe exploding mobs) is movement, and recovering from downtime in combat.

[livid sable]

I have both helhest and estela built

Helhest just feels better by a wide margin

[obtuse chasm]

I was meaning efrideet and yeah hellhest is most definitely better, sadly nothing we can do about it hellhest is just broken

[thorny frost]

We need a game mode that doesn’t have hordes of things and semi damage sponge enemies. Force her to use up her heavy and not replenish it easily… then she will drop a little bit.

[dreamy knot]

Hello guys. Im a newbie do you have any active code?

[livid sable]

Efrideets aight

The pass weapons got a nice impact to it but her abilities don't feel like they punch that hard

[thorny frost]

Not sure if it still works but “returndrs4” had a couple small things in it

[dreamy knot]

Thank you brother. Got some stuff 🫡

[white yew]

Guess what leaderboard this is

[fair quiver]

Anyone here got good tips on how to level up fast?

[white yew]

strikes

[fair quiver]

Thank you.

[sharp talon]

ikora on impact??

[white yew]

67 tech too strong ig

[livid sable]

nice

[thorny frost]

Jaren just popping up on every leaderboard like… * tips hat * Hey. Ning might get get jealous

[dull parrot]

Yo, how do I get character fragments

[fair quiver]

Shop sometimes I think

[sharp talon]

is that spreaad?

which leaderboard is that 😭

im not on na

[bitter estuary]

1 from shifting
1 from casual activeness award
3 from gauntlet onslaught
10 from weekly season shop reset

[thorny frost]

I thought it was but I just looked and he wasn’t there…

[dull parrot]

Thanks

[sharp talon]

so its impact then

makes sense cuz its void on 41-50

idk how truth fares on impact shinkas, jaren is hard to beat with the new mod

[thorny frost]

Yea I expected it was for Jaren not the Ikora XD

Jaren getting near top of rapid fire, expected Octant pushed him up in spread.

[bitter estuary]

ikora on impact? im not surprised

stage 41~50 is wack if you use jaren bc its void

[sharp talon]

im faster by 14 secs 🤣

[bitter estuary]

loadout pls for void :3

[sharp talon]

im still using thermo for now XD

[bitter estuary]

WHAT THE HELL

[sharp talon]

electron ammo is op

[bitter estuary]

ok balls

[thorny frost]

Was going to say the new mods might help

[sharp talon]

im using lvl 90 artis cuz they are secretly better

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/blazedpx-dojacat-gif-21011536

idk how are you staying sane

[sharp talon]

i switched my slot 3 to lvl 90 and i did 100k more damage on my sig 1 lol

i also went 600 power up

[thorny frost]

I got this from a drop from front lines, wish it was powerfully/boss but I will take it for now.

[sharp talon]

ye i have the boss one its op as hell

[sharp talon]

actually isnt bad for the normal stages for the extra shield damage

[thorny frost]

I have it on Estela primary right now to deal with void shields if they come up.

Waiting for Adept mods so I can get the double rapid fire one and see how fast I can make Heir shoot.

[sharp talon]

apparently kabr 2 is insane at rapid fire shinkas LOL

i dont have him built up yet, but i heard it takes down rapid fire shinkas fast from my friend

[thorny frost]

There are definitely some scouts I think that would work for it.

[sharp talon]

my fire rush sworn oath takes like 10 mins to break

idk why it was faster for my void rifle

[cobalt beacon]

He is

Allocation vector used too go hard on tan aswell

[outer atlas]

Well ngl,Kabr went from epic to Mythic as Kabr,The Resolute with his new weapons and he threw hands well,imagine the April fool's update being we can use dual exotic weapon in both primary and heavy

[sharp talon]

ppl will get mad if thats april fools

they should do that 🤣

[fair quiver]

it would highkey be funny tho hahah

[thorny frost]

Wrongful ingress has a 20% higher natural RoF so any mods that increase RoF would have a larger impact. But that is basically it

[livid sable]

Give us Blizzard-style April fools patch notes

[fair quiver]

ong

[rotund flame]

Kabr bots putting in work lol

[fair quiver]

😂

[weary linden]

I hope u all have a wonderfull day ahead and start the Grind!

[subtle rose]

Is crotas end just gone from the game now? And am I missing something about the sign in rewards on the event page is it not daily?

[fair quiver]

I think you can get some of the wepons by running shifting gates or somthing like that. If thats what your after that is

[bitter estuary]

crota's end is gone yeah

[sharp talon]

i think i twill be back at som e point

cuz its an option on fireteam finder

[dreamy orbit]

Are there guides on what to do? I completely forgot how to play

[vagrant depot]

There aren't guides that I know of, but the game does give you tips from time to time

[dreamy orbit]

Ah ok

I remember people used to make them in the #1391469379853619282 channel, but that seems to be dead

[fair quiver]

im pretty sure I found one on youtube once

[bitter estuary]

the way you can only get lumenite off RARE EVENTS in frontlines actually mind boggles me

[fair quiver]

damn

[slow olive]

Correct me if I'm wrong but perk levels are RNG now yes?

[obtuse chasm]

Finally got the 4* perk I was looking for

[slow olive]

Because as much as I want to do an inventory purge I still don't want to go insane over the grind

[obtuse chasm]

Yes

[slow olive]

Holy head(shot) damage

[slow olive]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Enr4bc3JeOOzHLYY8R

[fair quiver]

omg thats so good

[slow olive]

NOOOOO MY LMG GOD ROLLS

[fair quiver]

i wish i had that typa stuff

[obtuse chasm]

Took me 3 days of shifting to finally get the roll I wanted plus the 2 level 4’s for forging 🥲

[slow olive]

MY AUTOLOADING ROLLS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

[fair quiver]

i respect the grind

😭

[obtuse chasm]

Tyty 🫡

[coarse granite]

I really need to lvl up here

[slow olive]

Me rn (My 5/5 god rolls are level 1's)

[obtuse chasm]

That grind was nothing compared to relic grinding 😭

Arts*

Idk why I thought relic

[fair quiver]

I absolutley respect the grind

[coarse granite]

Man i gotta grind shifting gates lol

[slow olive]

IT REFUSES

IT REFUSES TO GIVE ME ONE SPECIFIC ARTIFACT

[fair quiver]

like you gotta have the mindset yk

[slow olive]

BUT IT INSISTS ON GIVING ME SUMMON-ORIENTED ONES

[fair quiver]

😭

[coarse granite]

I'm going to need to upgrade my old artifacts to 90

[slow olive]

IX PLS I AM ON A NING FRAUD AGENDA

I KNOW I WANT TO HAVE ESTELLA BUILT WHEN I GET HER BUT

GIVE ME THE PERK WHERE I DO 30% DAMAGE WHEN I STILL HAVE SHIELDS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[coarse granite]

My estella is 80k, need her at 100k asap

[slow olive]

Do we tell you?

[coarse granite]

I know

[fair quiver]

im only at 70k 😭

i feel so tiny

[coarse granite]

Sucks our artifacts are stunted

[obtuse chasm]

Just finished my efrideet grolls today lol, now I just need better base stats hopefully they’re easier to come by further into the phases 😭

[coarse granite]

I haven't done the new artifact grind. Do they drop at 90?

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah they drop at 90

The system is better now once you understand it

[fair quiver]

damn

[unborn tinsel]

Can you up 80s to 90?

[obtuse chasm]

Grolls are so much easier to get

[coarse granite]

Uhhhggg, here we go again jumping through portals

[obtuse chasm]

No

[obtuse chasm]

It’s better now trust

[unborn tinsel]

Facepalm , rip my maths

[obtuse chasm]

Grolls are sooooo easy to get literally just need dupes of the same art

[slow olive]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWG

[coarse granite]

Hopefully my estella can run through the hard version just as easily as before. Just need the right mods. And hopefully they're not nerfed. I liked the punching mods

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah chaos is still relatively the same difficulty rn if not easier then before

[unborn tinsel]

The left stat is also not changeable right if it drops 40 outa 45 it stays 40 forever?

[coarse granite]

Ill give it a shot later.

[sharp talon]

where is phase 2

[coarse granite]

7 days

[sharp talon]

"complete any of the following quests" i already completed expanse 10

[obtuse chasm]

No, you can use the same artifacts with better base stats and subsume them into each other giving you the better base stats of the artifact but keeping your rolls

[sharp talon]

the esrver time has been reached alreadyu as well

[obtuse chasm]

People are assuming the base rolls will be better further into the phases

[sharp talon]

im restarting my game maybe that will work

[coarse granite]

Subsume?

[coarse granite]

No. Its up in 7 days

[sharp talon]

it says all quests are done bro

[coarse granite]

Nope. I have them all done too

[obtuse chasm]

Only word I could think of but basically you take the artifact you want to keep and get a dupe with better base stats and transfer the better base stats to your groll

[coarse granite]

Except the second server time

[sharp talon]

the second server time isnt a requirement though

it says 3/3 now instead of 2/3 several minutes ago

[coarse granite]

You mean consume?

[coarse granite]

Ill check

[sharp talon]

ok nvm phase 2 is here now finally

[obtuse chasm]

Yes

[obtuse chasm]

I don’t have it

[sharp talon]

cuz ur na ahahaha

lvl 34 already lol

*35 after i completed another q

[obtuse chasm]

So we have to wait till reset? That’s so lame

[sharp talon]

it was 4 hrs past reset for me for phase to unlock

[obtuse chasm]

😔 yeah but I thought it was based on the timer not reset

[coarse granite]

Still cant access phase 2 and i have everything done

[sharp talon]

yes it is based on timer. the server time was 4 hrs past reset

[sharp talon]

Ur na, wait

[coarse granite]

Nvrm just got it

Instant lvl 24

[balmy raft]

I was kind of expecting more of a difference loot wise with adept chaos but whatever

[coarse granite]

So no difference?

[slow olive]

What's the new forge materials even?

[coarse granite]

Another weapon with the same perks

At least one same perk. Its to upgrade the numbers on the perks

[slow olive]

So forging is the new way to upgrade perks...

[coarse granite]

Yeah

[slow olive]

MY GOD-ROLL AUTOLOADERS

[coarse granite]

I thought it would be to change perks.. Smh

[slow olive]

DESTINY PLAYERS NOT BEING ABLE TO READ STRIKES AGAIN

[coarse granite]

Lol who uses autoloading holster

[slow olive]

You have no idea how fun Sweet Business with its catalysts and autoloading GLs are

[coarse granite]

I had to switch to sb in the first boss in campaign this season. Shooting those dang rocks was annoying

[coarse granite]

Ill have to aquire a autoloading gl for wolf

But the new blue auto is so good. Lots of dps

[sharp talon]

the vodnik weapon?

[ancient plover]

hello

[slow olive]

Stuck at the last level of the campaign

the part where I have to talk to harrow

nvm

[sharp talon]

bosses are back thank god

omg 3 star artifact lol

[summer kite]

How many chests were at the end? D:

[sharp talon]

1

they increased the rate by 4% tho

or 3% idk

[rotund flame]

Dang, even 2 would have been great. Hate opening 1 chest at a time. At least it faster now with bosses

[frail fractal]

Whyy

I was questioning myself why would they do only 1 smh

[sweet urchin]

Is it bugged? He is not moving

[sharp talon]

imo i like it better than splitting it across several different chests

[proud aurora]

can someone help me in a vc

[twilit sluice]

🫪

[obtuse chasm]

Just a heads up this doesn’t work with efrideets dash

So vorpal anecdant is the move for tata

Was really 10 secs just couldn’t get screenshot in time

And t0 atm

[bitter estuary]

170 cores...

220 to max out chaperone 😔

[sharp talon]

553 attribute score holy

my defensive attributes lmfao

[obtuse chasm]

Yessir phase 3 about to go crazy

[proud aurora]

can someone help me

[obtuse chasm]

Sup

[proud aurora]

can u join vc

[obtuse chasm]

Ikora is cracked

[proud aurora]

i just got back

[obtuse chasm]

Uhhhhh sure

[sharp talon]

87k jaren

[golden spade]

I'm still stuck at power 78k, didn't play much and don't know what to do

[sharp talon]

grind chaos 😂

[golden spade]

What are the best artifacts for Efrideet?

I feel like she dies quickly.

[prisma pond]

My very first f2p T6 char :3
got crazy pull luck xD initially only wanted to go to T3 but got blessed

[golden spade]

I don't know what im doing with the artifacts

I use crimson also

[sharp talon]

my jaren is an insane tank now

[sharp quiver]

3 star arti's?

[sharp talon]

ye

[tight talon]

Wdym, i can stack 5x Ransom

[obtuse chasm]

Mind posting a vid?

[tight talon]

Only requirement is to manually reload to trigger it

[tight talon]

Gotta wait, i am at work

[obtuse chasm]

So I was right 😭 it doesn’t work with her dash lol

[tight talon]

Well you can't stack ransom beyond 3 or 4 without her dash

So id take this limitation any day

Esp during Boss Damage phase

[tight talon]

That's 500% ain't it since it's times 5

On Perk lvl 5

[naive ingot]

Me too 😭

[sharp talon]

3 star artis are so insane

[bitter estuary]

@tight talonhiballs

[tight talon]

Henloballs

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah but I’m more worried about dps and ttk, it most likely has more damage overtime but also defeats the whole purpose of her dash

[tight talon]

Well true that

Atleast it's not like Izanagi

Have to swap it out

[sharp talon]

spike shell seems good for adept

they are so tanky now

[proud topaz]

This weapon is trash bro

None of these perks synergize with her

[obtuse chasm]

Then what’s better?

[proud topaz]

Gonna be Magoichi or new Solar, until Cloudstrike releases

Mago annihilation prayama or Solar with the new perks

[obtuse chasm]

Show me a pic of you doing more then 17mil in 10 secs and I’ll believe you, I’m aware that cloudstrike will be better but it’s not released yet, waiting for it to drop

[proud topaz]

Dawg you can’t be serious 😭

[obtuse chasm]

Also wouldn’t prayam be offset by her dash?

[proud topaz]

I don’t have your build lmao

it’s simple math. And I’ve tested Tartara. Those perks are buns.

[obtuse chasm]

You’re claiming it’s better, just show me it’s better if it is I’ll run it

[proud topaz]

I don’t have your build or your damage rotation brother

Math is math homie

[proud topaz]

Pranayama is niceeee. Just make sure your damage rotations are in multiples of 4 shots so you don’t waste ammo.

[obtuse chasm]

This game has debunked that statement multiple times 😪

[obtuse chasm]

I’ll give it a shot and see if it’s better in the meantime

[vapid vale]

Did anyone else think/hope that Phase 2 would unlock today.

[sharp talon]

it did

[proud topaz]

You can comfortably rip 12 shots under competition time

[vapid vale]

oh my. I went into the wrong section. I had to click on something else for it to unloack. Yay

[proud topaz]

Not as simple of an equation because Mago and Tatara are different archetypes

But perk for perk Pranayama smokes everything Tatara has

I don’t have a solar with the new perks to test, but if the new descriptions hold true… it’s apples to apples because they’re the same archetype

Minus ~14% dmg to the solar sniper if you’re running arc boost

[south zenith]

whats best resource for build guides

[obtuse chasm]

There are none, gotta ask around

Few people here that can help you

[proud topaz]

Top Efrideets right now are using the new solar sniper, and interestingly, Borealis as well.

Supposedly because rotating expanse elements

[obtuse chasm]

Top efrideets what is this knowledge based on 😭

[south zenith]

am in need of need a wolf build

[proud topaz]

Based on stage 51 brother.

[viral hound]

Why can't I post on #1391468035981836420 ?

[proud topaz]

Genuinely respectable but still nowhere near Helhest’s 72

[proud topaz]

Weapons, artifacts, or both?

[south zenith]

yeah everything lol cuz im mental bot and tryna learn

[proud topaz]

Hopefully dawg, praying cloudstrike saves this char 🙏

[obtuse chasm]

I’m seeing efrideets running crimson and tata as well tho in expanse top 50

[obtuse chasm]

Same

[proud topaz]

Dawg, you should use Smart Bomb Exotic and new arc mythic auto rifle (once you unlock).

Artifact substats:
Weapon Enhancement
Damage Bonus
Arc Bonus
Signature Bonus

Not sure on what artifact sets, good luck homie.

[proud topaz]

Anyways keep an eye on the piercing expanse server rankings if you wanna see what builds the sweats are pushing

[proud topaz]

That’s true, keep in mind brother stage 51 is a lot different than stage 39 lol.

That stage 51 build clearly pushing more mileage

[sharp talon]

what is the god roll for new arc mythic rifle

[proud topaz]

I cleared stage 42 on spread my cheeks was getting clapped

[gentle hinge]

what about the new exotic fish in daredevil cave there 3 new exos but i still havent gotten a single one are they not dropping yet?

[proud topaz]

Auto?

[sharp talon]

ye

[proud topaz]

Gun looks beastly, not a bad perk on there tbh.

Not sure honestly. From a glance I’d take Fraternity, Till the End

[sharp talon]

ok good, i was asking ppl about this gun since launch but it seems no one tried it

[obtuse chasm]

It’s really not, once you get past a certain point it’s mainly about positioning and knowing the maps, dps helps but at that point your mainly just resetting over and over till you get it right

[sharp talon]

it has a weird name

[obtuse chasm]

At least in terms of the top players

[proud topaz]

I don’t disagree, but what’s stopping players is ultimately the damage check.

It’s the damage check, trust me homie I paid my dues on the spread side.

Every enemy will 1 tap you, no matter overshield or stats you have. Keep resetting with better positioning, timing and rng to avoid every possible paper cut.

[obtuse chasm]

I think I’ll just wait for cloudstrike and keep running crimson tata or maybe switch to the new solar sniper but no way I’m building the new hc that thing is cheeks

[proud topaz]

You can go on forever until your build can no longer physically output enough dps to kill every enemy before the wipe timer

[obtuse chasm]

I’m aware, that’s what I was referring to earlier

[bitter estuary]

balls

[proud topaz]

And you’re right, but you’re missing the actual bottleneck

It’s dps

[obtuse chasm]

My point is those sitting at 39-50 isn’t necessarily because of the damage check, it’s just because they haven’t pushed farther

[proud topaz]

Ie. how much output your sniper gets you.

[proud topaz]

Nah, it is the damage check lol

[obtuse chasm]

I’m going to test the new sniper the rolls look like they’d fit well for her but I doubt there’s that insane of a damage difference

[obtuse chasm]

Mainly rng and people running hellhest

[proud topaz]

Brother

[obtuse chasm]

Piercing is going to be full on hellhest most people aren’t going to push with efrideet

[sharp talon]

arbalest bug is making hh dps insane

[proud topaz]

Absolutely… and where is the cap?

[obtuse chasm]

It’s mainly rng bruh, I get that there may be a slight dps difference between the two mythic snipers but I guarantee it’s no more then a few thousand

[proud topaz]

The cap out where they can’t do enough damage in allotted time

[obtuse chasm]

And I’m not optimizing my build like that when my ultimate goal is to wait for cloudstrike

[proud topaz]

Oh well brother I’m telling you that Tatara’s 2nd perk slot is marginal dps increase at best.

Might as well consider arc boost it’s mythic perk atp

[obtuse chasm]

Like I said I can guarantee the damage difference is no more then 100-200k

It’s so small it doesn’t matter for the meantime

If my ultimate goal is to run cloudstrike

Not going to farm a godroll and invest more time into efrideet when I could be working on new grolls for my ikora or someone else along those lines

[proud topaz]

Can’t tell you for sure, but the micro optimizations are huge for pushing damage checks right now. Not that expanse matters really at all, just saying.

Already shorthanded, my Ikora is 80k power fighting a recommended 103k

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I’ll just wait for cloudstrike

[proud topaz]

I can’t even imagine pushing another 10 stages

51 stages is impressive too ngl

[obtuse chasm]

My ikora is 83k but I’m not pushing expanse that’s for the birds I’m only worried about the raid

[proud topaz]

Stage 51 without Arbalest is impressive haha

Good showing for Kabr as well, but that’s Arbalest

HH is too strong

[proud topaz]

Nice

Yeah don’t waste your time, fml

[sharp talon]

why is weapon lumenite rare now 🤣

[proud topaz]

Trust me, not worth 😂

Ngl I can’t believe a Maru is beating these damage checks

Gerj is a whole nother level

[bitter estuary]

finish a frontline and pray for your life theres a rare drone there

[subtle anchor]

damn, the game got a lot better huh

no more pinnacle energy and acclaim 🙂

[naive ingot]

[glad valve]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-rollins-wrestlemania-41-entrance-2025-wwe-gif-15554647070204666210

[surreal fulcrum]

sup

guys

[surreal fulcrum]

WWE vibes

[glad valve]

Hell yeah brother

[surreal fulcrum]

so seth is your favrt?

i like brock

[glad valve]

My profile picture tells you answer you need

[surreal fulcrum]

but from shield brothers more then roman and dean i like seth is kaky and dramic

CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK

who do u think is going to win at mania?

punk or roman?

i want punk to win tbh cuz roman already got so much

[glad valve]

Off topic bro

[surreal fulcrum]

lets make it the topic

i think DRising should add some wreslter skins and chracters

[glad valve]

No

[surreal fulcrum]

with some fighting moves like CD did with RKO

[surreal fulcrum]

why?

[glad valve]

Destiny has nothing to do with WWE

[surreal fulcrum]

not wwe they can do create their own version of wrestling

a wrestler with some moves

what do you think?

[sand cairn]

How do you farm for large amount of glimmer? This new update made me completely broke.

[sharp talon]

i got 2m glimmer from jiangshi mats shop yesterday

[compact jolt]

That a lotta glimmer

[hidden carbon]

I replenished my glimmer supply passively while farming in the chaos mines so that’s also an option

[sharp talon]

damn i got a 3 star arti from expanse

[glad valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cayde-6-destiny-2-destiny-nathan-fillion-otiosum-gif-3993077919452435091

[golden spade]

Im stuck at the pit in the campaign

[golden spade]

What do i do?

[tight talon]

Bones are made to be broken

[uneven isle]

Can anyone explain how I am supposed to beat this like hallway crawl thing in the pit where I'm behind harrow I just keep getting pushed I can't move fast enough to dodge anything

[thorny schooner]

Hello, does anyone have the Jaren Crota skin preview screenshotted? I want to read the flavor text contained in it

[thorny schooner]

You shoot the walls, since they're blue they are shootable

[uneven isle]

OMG 🤪🫣🤯

[uneven isle]

Thank you

[sharp talon]

is eternal retribution the best void shotgun for jaren?

just need valiant perturbation for the last 3 star 💀

[elfin aurora]

Question... Did anyone else get a DM from the Destiny Rising Bot/App talking about Season 4?

[wide halo]

Dear God how are some people at close to 90k character level I'm just touching 80 and can't find much else to upgrade

Also wasnt today supposed to start part 2 of the season of something? It says I meet all requirements but I'm still in part 1. The time requirement said 3/30 and it's 3/30

[sharp talon]

press the breakthrough button

[wide halo]

??? What

[mossy holly]

Ill be starting that once I get home

[bold fog]

So it's been reset?

[tight talon]

Nuh uh seems like a thing for those who linked discord to game

[tight talon]

Swordbreaker

[sharp talon]

what?

swordbreaker is solar?

[bold fog]

It's OK to change element for the dps

[sharp talon]

it takes so long to force the shield

i run out of ammo

[tight talon]

Oof my bad. I mean Bulwark Shotty

It's Void Isn't it

[sharp talon]

best perks?

[sharp talon]

yes. btw, is eternal retribution worse?

[tight talon]

So worse that even Gwwynie should use Bulwark Weapon instead

[tight talon]

Idk the perk pool sadly😭

[wide halo]

Got it ty

[tight talon]

Mind screenshotting

[tight talon]

I'd say Line Hyperaemia or Annihilation/ Wound

Actually scratch that

Annihilation, Wound would be best

What does wound do?

[neon pebble]

Wound counter stacks good dmg

[sharp talon]

im confused by the perk upgrade there

[tight talon]

What's lvl 5 of that?

[neon pebble]

30%

[tight talon]

Perks changed this season

[tight talon]

75% on third shot and so on

[neon pebble]

Are shotty good now?

[sharp talon]

isnt the perk upgrade a nerf btw?

[neon pebble]

Uhhh 25%×3 =75%... 15%×4=60%.... why perk upgrade do less dmg and take more shots?

[sharp talon]

yeah wtf

[tight talon]

Basically you get 1 bullet refund when you hit 3rd shot

Then you reach 100% on 4 shots but every stack bonus is reduced then by 10% so you do 90% instead

It's 10% of 100% not 60%

[neon pebble]

"Last until next reload" every good shotty user has an insta reload mechanic

[sharp talon]

ok great, im building that now

forcing all the shields with thermo is 😭

[neon pebble]

It says from each stack is reduced

[tight talon]

You hit 100% at 4 shots. Took you 4 shots to reach 100% since each shot was 25%, you aren't ramping up again to reach 60%

You are effectively at 100% and then get 10% reduction from each stack (aka 100 total) so you will be at 90%

[sharp talon]

wow my first engram and i got the god roll perks lol

[tight talon]

If it were a nerf then they wouldn't make it a perk then

[thorny schooner]

The explanation is wonky but what they mean is that every stack loses 2.5% damage each at the end of the calc

Because it's taking 10% of the 25% of level 5

So 22.5*4=90

[tight talon]

Is there a perk upgrade for Line/Crackling?

[sharp talon]

cracking none

[thorny schooner]

Oh wait disregard, I am confusing this with firing line

From what I am reading here, you are getting 3 shots refunded for full blasts... it's kinda tricky to land these when you got more pellets, and I believe aggressive shotguns have the highest pellet counts

Otherwise:
3 shots=1 refunded
6 shots=3 in a row + 6 in a row = 2 refunded

[sharp talon]

how to increase perk level now?

do more engrams and wait for a higher perk level then transfer? is that it?

[thorny schooner]

Pretty much, yeah, activities, engrams, etc.

It'll definitely get easier to get these desirable perks as the seasonal tiers are unlocked

[sharp talon]

is cracking reaction bad?

i just got this

should i feed it into my other one?

oh i have to because its upgraded i think, to activate the other perk

[radiant kindle]

Hey

[golden spade]

Hey guys, do we know what's the best build for Efrideet? Can anyone share

For me she is kinda of squishy and I don't know what to do

[sharp talon]

bruh stage 46 on impact lol

😭

[quartz mauve]

anyone figure out how to fix the game on mumu game crash thing?

[elfin aurora]

Just found it a bit weird since I never got a message like that until today.

[unborn tinsel]

you got amd card?

[quartz mauve]

yeah, this new update is the first time ive had the issue

[unborn tinsel]

yep downgrade to the end of feb release worked for me

[neat valley]

It’s because the new amd drivers causing a problem with this version of destiny rising

[quartz mauve]

time to figure out how to do that now

[white fossil]

nice pfp decoration 🙏

[quartz mauve]

ty

[random talon]

I think I missed seeing anything on it. But Crota's End and the Black Armory stuff is gone (for now?)

[unborn tinsel]

amd website put in what card you got and manual download

when you install that file it just overrides the one you got

then dont forget to disable auto update in the amd launcher and you are golden

[random talon]

I really wanted to play that content, but either I don't know how to or it is vaulted.

[quartz mauve]

and the one from the 26th should be fine yeah?

of february

[unborn tinsel]

thats the one i used yea

[candid phoenix]

@vast arch spotted

[vast arch]

hiiiii

[quartz mauve]

ty

[modest tiger]

Destiny 2

[hollow gazelle]

Why am i stuck in phase 1

[sharp talon]

press the breakthrough button theres a menu for that

i forgot where it is

[neat valley]

Yeah crota is gone now , they want everyone to focus on the new raid I guess

[hollow gazelle]

Thanks i found it

[radiant kindle]

Guys can someone resume to me how the new update changes the game to see if I come back? BCS I manely left the game BCS I had nothing more to do

[glad valve]

Is there a max limit on Shifting Gates currency

[limber furnace]

Another mission is bugged......
"Travel to the combustion chamber"

Bruh....

Along side no sounds or dialogues

Also why in that mission Wolf gets kills from doing nothing

[tight talon]

Nope it's gone for unknown time. You can still get their weapons tho

[candid iris]

Anyone else having bug issues with new character personal mission?

[rotund flame]

So many of the new missions are bugged 😭

[limber furnace]

Many bugs

[random talon]

how so?

[tight talon]

If you go to Inventory > Synthesize, and you are Team Lvl 90. You can synth random engrams that will drop all of Crota or Bulwark weapons

You can do 300 engrams each in a week per Crota and Bulwark

[random talon]

OHHHHH HUGE

[tight talon]

Unacquired weapons will be the ones will be prioritised first

[limber furnace]

The vox barriers should have not been implemented in the story mode

Like there is no clue on what is the right way to to them in that 1 minute period of time