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hollow ferry
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I keys and Pinnicle in mailbox, do we believe it will ask be converted?

empty kettle
mossy holly
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The barter event is really really good for having a headstart for S4

rain gale
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Ive not played the game since before crota came out, is it worth coming back?

mossy holly
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Rn? Well if you want, do the barter event and you'll get S4 items early and it'll be sent to mail at launch

empty kettle
dry hare
empty kettle
dry hare
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Also, is the paragon boxes I guess the best grab in this mini event?

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W/ photons I assume?

empty kettle
dry hare
empty kettle
cyan tide
hollow ferry
civic wadi
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Fortuna crystals .?

fluid aurora
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With the challenge keys going away, does that mean master/grandmaster is leaving? If so have they said anything about the conqueror seal and gauntlet blitz seal?

storm scroll
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Read the notes

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Simple

fluid aurora
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I did, which only mentioned the other 2 seals leaving, but more info on the others would be nice that have triumphs relating to the mode

storm scroll
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You did not if you are asking about master

indigo solar
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Wait is conqueror challenge mode or strike

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Only challenge mode is archived

storm scroll
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I'll let someone else help. I'm tired of answering the same questions when the answers have been provided

fluid aurora
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Strike, however the gilded seal has master related triumphs

cyan tide
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Conqueror is strikes, I think the challenge seal is just called Challenge

indigo solar
storm scroll
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The ppl who want their hand held are in for a treat lol

elder wing
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What they replacing the artifactual essesnces with again?

cyan tide
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Artifactual essence isn't going away

fluid aurora
elder wing
fluid aurora
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I read the top bit, missed the bottom, went into a panic when I saw the gilded triumphs lmao

sullen depot
thorny frost
empty kettle
cyan tide
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The patch notes are a lot to take in, I kinda just skimmed through them the first time I read them

indigo solar
thorny frost
thorny frost
storm scroll
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I've answered and seen others answer the same q over and over.

storm scroll
thorny frost
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I don’t trust content creators videos XD they will convince everyone their is no gacha

sullen depot
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Whaaat ur telling me u didn’t like pple asking ā€œwait what happens to my leafs and boatsā€ or ā€œwhat happens to my pinnaclesā€

storm scroll
earnest gust
wide dagger
empty kettle
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We are not beating the allegations

twilit thistle
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I may have clicked to wrong emoji (for the mod who sees that)

thorny frost
thorny frost
stark forge
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its actually the 10 same ppl active a bit more

twilit thistle
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@indigo solar how many mod fragments do u have

thorny frost
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I haven’t played it for a while, but it would be nice to still have it be a viable option.

cyan tide
stark forge
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so what do we do with the overclock capacitor then

empty kettle
empty kettle
cyan tide
thorny frost
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I was a little slow XD

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Honestly might make getting them semi useful now as the time it saves isn’t restricted by pinnacle amount.

twilit thistle
stark forge
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just make it boost drop rates, double rewards kinda meaningless when u can farm endless

bitter estuary
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balls

vast arch
bitter estuary
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i think no

indigo solar
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Do I have a lot or a little

twilit thistle
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I think the biggest difference was artifacts, but that was just from the expanse, sg, and chaos grinding. Almost all of them are garbage too 😭

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But yea mod fragments are coming from bulwark so thats kinda normal tbh. It drops them like candy

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50-61 per 5 chests opened without pinnacle. Thats actually a crazy farm for them.

|| Per 5 chests, thats 25-36, and if auto dismantling purple mods, an additional 25. ||

sullen depot
wide dagger
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The ummm mythic guns fragment ?cathink

sullen depot
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Nah mod fragments

wide dagger
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Ohhhhh

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Let me check mine

white ice
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Coping on trailer tomorrow, since weekend's over?

wide dagger
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I just have 12k LL_eyespleading

twilit thistle
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Wow exotic mods are expensive in terms of mod fragments. 270 for an exotic, 120 for a mythic, 60 for a purple, 37 for a blue? Had to go on a scavenger hunt to find ones that werent upgraded.

mossy holly
twilit thistle
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Per every mythic gun I have mods at 5/10 or above (way too many), that's 810 used 😭

glad valve
storm scroll
glad valve
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Is Ghaul in this timeline

hearty sedge
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Hello new here but played both destiny games and trying the mobile šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘

candid phoenix
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idk how long cabal live

glad valve
candid phoenix
candid phoenix
glad valve
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Now that would of been an awesome fight

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Just going up against him in Destiny 2 he was abit tough

candid phoenix
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ok nevermind googled it and found a reddit thread, cabal can live up to 1000 years he could be around

candid phoenix
storm scroll
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Source: me

glad valve
storm scroll
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I'll also take a preview or at least leaked vid

glad valve
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I just want Season 4 hurry up so I can farm

magic lichen
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trust me bro.

glad valve
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Source
Trust me bro

vast arch
wide dagger
white fossil
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bruh first login in like 2 weeks and my game crashes in 10 mins

naive ingot
white fossil
naive ingot
white fossil
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im disappointed but at least i managed to buy the last battle pass levels i didnt have šŸ˜‚

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i might try again tomorrow, what do i do with 980 pinnacle before it gets removed btw?

candid phoenix
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you couldn't have used the pinnacle to get the levels??

white fossil
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i saw theyre making it so upgrade stuff gets wiped every season too so is there even a point in using it

white fossil
candid phoenix
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what crashed

white fossil
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the game app

candid phoenix
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also, legendary campaign materials seem to be the best stuff to grind before S4 since those materials are staying

white fossil
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oh yeah thats good to know

candid phoenix
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if you have the blue pinnacle you can leave that alone and it'll get converted into "rare" items next season

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no explanation on exactly what though

white fossil
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oh thats what 600 of it is so

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i might leave it just to see what i get

candid phoenix
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yeah i'm saving mine but using all the yellow, i pretty much just run 4 GM legendary campaigns and then quit for the day

white fossil
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hopefully tomorrow ill just go through my 380 the same way lmao

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depends if i can be bothered though, havent been playing games much at all recently

candid phoenix
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i have no idea what's going to happen with the 2x reward material so i've just been keeping it to be cautious

white fossil
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idk i didnt even read the patch note properly

gritty rune
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I’d imagine it just gives 2x rewards as it does currently

candid phoenix
white fossil
gritty rune
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I can’t imagine they’d nerf the rewards per run, that would turn off a lot of the casual playerbase

candid phoenix
# white fossil i have 10m+ glimmer and i think around 30 photons 😭

"Extra Pinnacle Energy" and "Challenger's Keys" will be fully dismantled and converted into rare items for the new season.

"Elemental Fruit," "Artifactual Cluster," "Metastable Core," "Occultation Essence," and "Ops Authorization" will be converted into "Seasonal Tokens" based on the corresponding ratio.

Excess quantities of other upgrade materials will be converted into "Seasonal Tokens."

Here's everything being converted

candid phoenix
glad valve
gritty rune
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I wonder how the new gun system would work between seasons

white fossil
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bro why is fruit involved

candid phoenix
glad valve
white fossil
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i have over 200 of each and like 500 choice ones

gritty rune
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Cos they said the max star level increase as the season goes on. Does that mean every gun gets reset between seasons?

candid phoenix
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there's a whole new artifact system and with that they're removing the gilding system that fruit was for

white fossil
candid phoenix
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ur crazy

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carry me 🄺

gritty rune
white fossil
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i just got bored and farmed everything for a while

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before i stopped playing lmfao

candid phoenix
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i mean i'm on literally daily and i have nothing near that lol

white fossil
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hopefully i can start playing again though šŸ™

candid phoenix
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i'm on my last mil of glimmer

white fossil
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do you upgrade every weapon?? 😭

thorny frost
gritty rune
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Cos perk rolls depends on stars too

golden spade
glad valve
signal phoenix
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Is the P6 Somniosus Better than the Aocs R1 Revolver for attal

candid phoenix
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idk if i can share it here but there's an entire reddit post with the S4 patch notes if you don't want to open up the game

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it's easier to read it on reddit too

gritty rune
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I do kind of hope we get stronger mythics though, cos currently new mythics are barely if any better than existing at all

thorny frost
glad valve
candid phoenix
gritty rune
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Weapons

signal phoenix
candid phoenix
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yeah the black armory weapons dropping with the same perks as everything else was annoying

gritty rune
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You don’t have much incentive to build new weapons atm

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Especially given the mats for mod upgrades being limited

signal phoenix
candid phoenix
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I'm really interested in this:

Myth-quality perks will fully support perk upgrades, with each perk randomly obtaining up to 2 perk upgrade abilities;

does it mean that we're going to get more perk upgrade options? like two choices for upgrades instead of just the one

stark forge
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soon we will be chasing god roll weapons like artifacts

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very painful and tedious

sullen depot
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welcome to the destiny grind

glad valve
gritty rune
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And tbh, if you aren’t there to chase godrolls, looter shooter isn’t the right genre for you anyways

candid phoenix
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I mean hopefully it won't be too bad:

[Gun Forging] :

Players can use eligible material weapons to enhance the perk level or transfer perk upgrades to the weapon targeted for development;

sullen depot
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just 4 more days.!! just know the update thursday gonna be long. wont be surprised going beyond the 3hr timeframe

gritty rune
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I just want more perks. Let us chase for dream rolls

signal phoenix
glad valve
glad valve
candid phoenix
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Anyone remeber the s1 maintenance that went like 3 hours over lol

sullen depot
candid phoenix
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And we had like 0 announcements about what was happening dead

sullen depot
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Oh nah I recall them apologizing and mentioning about the delay

candid phoenix
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They did eventually but like 2-3 hours after maintenance was supposed to be done

sullen depot
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Yeah

candid phoenix
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Huh, that’s a different one

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I don’t remeber the November one

sullen depot
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Oh yeah there was the October one as well. That was the longer one

rotund flame
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Do we still have no information on the next characters abilities or kit? Kinda crazy that we have no leaks or anything with only 4 days left lol

sullen depot
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Nope. This is normal typically. Typically revealed the day before sometimes

candid phoenix
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I saw people talking about kit leaks but apparently the post was taken down or something? I haven’t tried looking myself

rotund flame
white ice
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Because Genshin generates hype like that

candid phoenix
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Tbf everyone up to Jaren was leaked during season 1

white ice
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Realistically we know who should be coming up since there's stubs of kits for multiple people in the game files

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so you'd expect those to be next up soon-ish

candid phoenix
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Kabr and Ikora were just thrown in to allow CN to match seasons with everyone else and we knew Ikora was coming from the start of the season based on the seal challenges

white ice
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  • the actually complete void bee guy kit
rotund flame
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Whatever ever happened the one character that had a beekeeper kit or something? I remember seeing that somewhere

candid phoenix
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I’m still mad about the stupid calendar leaking the mysterious visitor messages and efrideet. we could’ve at least gotten like a minute teaser for her instead of a developer calendar

candid phoenix
rotund flame
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Watch it be a 4 star character lol

twilit thistle
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Those bulwark vandals are so op. Somehow they are worse than the vex.

white ice
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It's gonna be Toland for the bit

sullen depot
candid phoenix
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Destiny always knows to pull out cayde when the game is in a tough spot

white ice
candid phoenix
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Are we post-Zavala’s family dying

obtuse chasm
glad valve
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I want an Eris Morn story about how her team died. I know it was explained in Shadow Keep but I want to explore the story and see it happen

candid phoenix
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That would be really cool, hopefully around the time that we fight our crota instead of the simulated version

vocal hawk
glad valve
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I think Bungie should do Destiny 3 based on events of what happened to Eris Morn, Zavalas Wife and etc to see it all unfold

vocal hawk
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So, this is an alternate timeline right around when the last city is being founded. Haven is an outpost while the actual city is under construction.
Zavala, according to cutscenes and trailer lore, became a lightbearer right around this time and met his wife while he was working with Saladin.

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When/if he ever becomes a character Saffiyah will probably be mentioned in his idle dialogue.

candid phoenix
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Nice, pre-trauma Zavala would be cool

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He’d be a hothead though

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Do we have any info on when cayde got rezzed? I never learned anything about early cayde

vocal hawk
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Timeline placement of when Cayde got rezzed is iffy, to my understanding.

hexed parrot
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šŸ‘€

thorny frost
obtuse chasm
indigo solar
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Probably bc the overhaul is so major

elder wing
bitter estuary
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speaking of that we prolly need to see on whats going on in the cn side of things

elder wing
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They didn’t hype her as much

bitter estuary
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tbh the profits are dwindling so at this point its better to try keep the fanbase alive

candid phoenix
elder wing
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They need to get that trailer out there the early access etc. they need to build that hype šŸ‘€

candid phoenix
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The calendar reveal upsets me

obtuse chasm
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I just hope efrideet is worth spending on I’ll max her regardless but would be nice to benefit me in some way

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Don’t want a hellhest killer but at least able to run alongside her

bitter estuary
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balls

hasty ocean
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Basket bals

dusty spire
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Hay yall just letting you know, this can be done with just 2 players

candid phoenix
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is it available today

dusty spire
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@bitter estuary my main dude that always looks out for me helped me today

magic lichen
dusty spire
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So it’s still possible to complete badge

obtuse chasm
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Ain’t no way 2.14 is a rule… yall ran by dictators 😭

dusty spire
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But if you need grav today get it done now!

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Don’t even wait

obtuse chasm
dusty spire
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We should be doing triumph clear party’s before the update lol

magic lichen
elder wing
oak kettle
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anybody (EMEA) willing to help me run this and the all 3 version that i presume comes after? I have Umeko (void piercing), Xuan (Arc Spread with Octant) and Jaren (Solar Spread with Octant) at good enough power so anyone helping can just stick to Hairkora, Helhest and Jaren/Tan.

Really wish they let us know about calops dying earlier than they did

obtuse chasm
magic lichen
# obtuse chasm

i sold my shiny loach. have to get another one. its the ultimate bait.

obtuse chasm
twilit thistle
dusty spire
obtuse chasm
dusty spire
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Gots lots of spare runs

twilit thistle
# obtuse chasm What does this mean

I used to do that before getting corrected, its an uncommon way of saying screenshot. There is a reason we dont use that tho, historically has ties to darker things.

oak kettle
obtuse chasm
oak kettle
vocal hawk
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kabr should be able to chat with kabr in the lobby screen

visual rain
twilit thistle
# oak kettle for all void at least

If it doesn't work out ill get my alt out. Haven't touched it bc its about to be ruined next week, but unlike those patch notes claimed, it was very well built despite 100% of pinnacle going to umeko.

obtuse chasm
visual rain
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nah but we used to argue with mods like every day when the game was popular

candid phoenix
visual rain
obtuse chasm
elder wing
naive ingot
obtuse chasm
vocal hawk
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here's how much i enjoyed playing legacy just now

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40 for the thing in barter is ridiculous

naive ingot
elder wing
vocal hawk
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wow, truth's catalysts are...not very imaginative

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it do more damage :)

elder wing
vocal hawk
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yeah you can't go wrong with "it does more damage :)"

elder wing
twilit thistle
vocal hawk
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i am not getting truth right now

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couldn't afford it even if i wanted it

obtuse chasm
twilit thistle
vocal hawk
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i'll remember that

ruby jetty
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Thats enough grind for today

vast arch
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Is the trailer out yet

thorny frost
obtuse chasm
obtuse chasm
thorny frost
obtuse chasm
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That being said I’ve been in way more popular servers then this and I’m in some currently that don’t have the same rule

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So maybe that’s saying something more about the mods tbh

twilit thistle
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Oh its been on the decline since helhest. Even before s3, it was quite active. Rare to ever see 1 minute pass without a new message.

obtuse chasm
thorny frost
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It also could just be to stop anything before it happens, what is the point of discussing modderation if you aren’t actively trying to get it changed? Which normally just turns into frustration when it doesn’t change. If asking about rules and if something breaks it that would possibly be allowed. This is for specific ruling.

vast arch
thorny frost
vast arch
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Plenty of servers don’t have it in the rules but will tell you to stop talking about it if it becomes disruptive.

obtuse chasm
candid phoenix
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Every Minecraft server I’ve been on since 2020 has had a rule similar to that. (Not saying you did) like 90% of the people that complained about being falsely banned/muted were spamming slurs that were seen by mods but blocked from actually going into chat so I could see why they don’t want to be arguing in a general chat

vast arch
obtuse chasm
obtuse chasm
candid phoenix
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Dropping the ban hammer in public spaces tends to paint mods in a worse light than asking someone to take it to a ticket/dm’s. I’ve been super grossed out by mods flaunting something like ā€œoh you typed a fake ip on a sign im gonna mock you then ban youā€

vast arch
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We don’t operate like that lol. We don’t just ban people when we feel like it. Contrary to popular belief we actually have a structure that we follow when actioning violations. And we have senior mods and CMs to review any accusation of abuse of power

candid phoenix
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Minecraft servers are insane ngl

obtuse chasm
vast arch
thorny frost
# obtuse chasm Understandable, but idk seems more like it’s a lazy rule in general is what I’m ...

Here are from 2 different official servers (Genshin, and XDive-Nebulajoy). It is better for all involved if these aren’t talked about typically. It just doesn’t solve anything typically and becomes harassment, typically pointed at our (volunteer) mods. I saw what happened on the other discord server when people got out of control, and the fact they have less moderation. It was just chaos, I prefer not to put our mods through stuff like that.

obtuse chasm
vast arch
thorny frost
# obtuse chasm Idk maybe it’s the American in me, but not being allowed to talk publicly about ...

The thing is this is normal all the time even in real life. Free speech doesn’t mean just speaking freely without consequences. You can still discuss it with the moderation team, but specially online, people tend to act differently and more aggressively than in person.

You can’t just go up to the president and yell threats at him without getting silenced by jail or something else XD. (Yes extreme example).

twilit thistle
storm scroll
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🤨

vast arch
sullen depot
thorny frost
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As a manager and in the past as a group home worker I was forbidden about talking about specific things that could have major consequences to myself. This is a less extreme example of that (you will probably just get a warning and not a fine like I could if I broke HIPPA laws).

storm scroll
obtuse chasm
vast arch
obtuse chasm
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I like you

vast arch
thorny frost
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And please don’t make me a mod XD I have enough on my plate and I tend to put to much effort into my responsibilities.

candid phoenix
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Ngl I didn’t realize don is a mod, the attal color gradient is too similar

obtuse chasm
magic lichen
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ain't no laws when you're drinking claws

obtuse chasm
twilit thistle
vast arch
storm scroll
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I feel called out

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Lol

obtuse chasm
vast arch
obtuse chasm
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Anyways I’m gunna go get some canes and go to the movies yall have a good day @thorny frost thanks for the help in understanding it better

thorny frost
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Glad I could help

hushed crown
dull plover
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When is this season trailer out Helhest

twilit thistle
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I rlly wish i knew why this game continues to interact with the discord window i have open on my pc. Its essentially simulating the back button on my mouse.

limber pine
cyan tide
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Eh, S3 had a trailer. Even Kabr had one
It's just Ikora that didn't get one

signal phoenix
dusty spire
dusty spire
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On 26th I need electrical breakdown

signal phoenix
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I got a legendary crossbow 2 days ago

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Most of my weapons are epic

cyan tide
cyan tide
wispy olive
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Hello, Who do I call to help for these here ? I have a problem on my end I noticed I was seriously banned and limited on my shifting gates exercise from PvP play to only play with Bots alone after getting to tenured professor, please I need help reinstate my account.

dusty spire
obtuse chasm
cyan tide
# dusty spire GMT 0

Then you should have time, I didn't realize that EMEA got the daily reset so much earlier

oak kettle
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Quick question since I’m not in a position to hunt down the blog post rn, is it just calops and challenge mode seals that are getting vaulted or are there any more. Need to know if I need to quickly grind out morgrans/legacy or something wild like sparrow racing

storm scroll
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Prob not

vocal hawk
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Nothing else is getting full on sunset afaict

indigo solar
vocal hawk
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Artifacts still exist. The system that's getting removed is artifact gilding.

storm scroll
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šŸ‘€

indigo solar
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Since they're locked at lv 80 and new artis can be 90

vocal hawk
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The current iteration of the patch notes say nothing of the sort.

tight talon
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That's effectively sunsetting

vast arch
vocal hawk
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Ah, yeah, finally found the bit that says there's no level enhancement

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these patch notes are so dense

tight talon
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I wish they manually typed stuff or at least make a video on how things are changing

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Last thing gacha players do is read

vocal hawk
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i wish they manually typed stuff
i do not understand what you mean by that in this context

vocal hawk
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just because it's dense doesn't automatically mean it was written by ai

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the absurdly technical nature of the writing honestly leads me to believe that it isn't
ai writing tends to be way more purple

tight talon
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As long as we can't prove it

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Plus their translation software sucks

livid sable
tight talon
vocal hawk
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that's how you would write it

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that doesn't explicitly prove it one way or another

tight talon
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Rewards: Adept difficulty offers richer rewards. Adept Strike and Gauntlet: Blitz have an additional chance to drop Adept Mod Fragments, which can be synthesized into Adept difficulty tasks

Cry

vast arch
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It’s very possible the notes are written in a different language and then translated to other languages which always ends up with odd wording. Without a human reviewing every single written word that’s what we will get

twilit thistle
vocal hawk
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Almost certainly translated.

tight talon
twilit thistle
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I only know bc I saw my ai transcriber having issues on the same spots 😭

floral abyss
vocal hawk
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yeah that's been a consistent issue

sullen depot
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Yeah this is more so just a translation issue rather than it being written by AI

tight talon
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I am not against machine translation, but keep a human reviewer at the bare minimum. They keep cutting costs on so many things that confuses people who aren't terminally online and they end up more confused

vast arch
vocal hawk
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the reason why it's confusing is because it's by far the longest set of patch notes that we've gotten so far

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the patch notes have always been written in this kind of language

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it's just that now that it's a million miles long it's hard to keep track of specific bullet points

vocal hawk
slender cave
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As new players who recently joined the community, we were surprised by the sudden announcement regarding the removal of Calamity Ops and Challenge Mode. We have been working hard to complete our Seals and Titles, but as new Lightbearers, we haven't had enough time to finish the requirements before the March 26th update.

The announcement came very close to the season end, and it feels discouraging to lose all our progress so close to the finish line. We kindly ask if there is any possibility to extend the time for these specific Seals or provide a 'Legacy' grace period for players to finish their ongoing objectives.

We love the game and want to showcase our early achievements as we move into Season of Wishes. Please consider the effort of your newest guardians!

Thank you for your hard work on the game.

tight talon
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They could have said,

Several upgrade materials are converted into Seasonal Tokens:
Elemental Fruit
Artifactual Cluster
Metastable Core
Occultation Essence
Ops Authorization
Excess quantities of other upgrade materials

And still haven't let us know about what's happening with Sheafs

vast arch
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The written version on Reddit is much easier to digest

vocal hawk
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i'm not seeing any that are mangled

slender cave
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@tranquil hatch

vocal hawk
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should actually check to see what changed

twilit thistle
vocal hawk
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CMs always mentioned that they were living documents, finally seen that in action i guess

vast arch
sullen depot
vocal hawk
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i'm not seeing mangled roman numerals in the in-game patch notes

vocal hawk
tight talon
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Wonder what's happening with Weapon Mastery cause lvl 4 needs fruits if i haven't forgotten

vocal hawk
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all of the levels of weapon mastery need fruit

tight talon
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Cry right been a while

vocal hawk
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fruit, artifact clusters, metastable cores, occultation essence, and ops authorizations are the items that are being removed and turned into tokens for a shop

vast arch
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Weapon mastery?

vocal hawk
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  1. Excess quantities of other upgrade materials will be converted into "Seasonal Tokens"
    well that's vague
sullen depot
vast arch
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Oh right

tight talon
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Also wonder how weapons will "integrate" with relics

sullen depot
twilit thistle
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If it's been removed, oh well. It was 2 that was missing. On 5, it stops using roman numerals. Had to check my archive 😭 that image is 2000x27000

vast arch
twilit thistle
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Ya i crashed out over it initially. That, and the artifact changes that are going to wipe out everyone who didnt care about acclaim or lived life like @indigo solar . f2p would actually get hurt worse

plush iron
#

whats up with the artifacts?

indigo solar
twilit thistle
#

Worthless now. If you invested into those, and not exotic guns, ur probably cooked.

indigo solar
#

Since I have a ton of essence saved and whales' artifacts will be inferior

twilit thistle
indigo solar
sullen depot
#

imo they should still make it were dismantling exotic artifacts give artifactual essence

raw glade
#

Finally collected lol

sullen depot
#

U gotta spend that 1940 pinnacle energy rn or it’s all lost tomorrow btw since that’s not the blue one

raw glade
#

Does it even matter? Are the revamped activities going to give less?

sullen depot
#

I mean. You might as well use it to farm leg campaign

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No point just losing it for no reason

raw glade
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That makes no sense though.

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It won’t cost anything tomorrow lol. Doesn’t matter

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I can grind tomorrow if I actually wanted to grind

sullen depot
#

Aight up to u then. That’s just 1920 pinnacle energy down the trash essentially

twilit thistle
raw glade
#

You’re thinking about it in an interesting way, but ultimately, it doesn’t matter

#

Everyone has that much energy starting this week, forever

#

You’re just letting the sunk cost fool ya

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I’d only use it if I knew the rewards were being decreased alongside energy being removed

sullen depot
#

Eh like I said up to u. There is also the Past Glory thing if u want that as well. But then if u don’t want that then that’s also fine, your choice

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1940 pinnacle energy that could have gone into building Past Glory is going down the drain šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø

twilit thistle
#

We dont know what it is, so i cant recommend going all in on it. I think its reserves, too. That pinnacle is in your inventory, which most of this seems based on. Idk if u can save the ones in mail on NA. If you went over it would be cleared.

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Unless you actually think the devs would be happy that ppl did that. Which i bet they were not.

rotund flame
#

Don't really feel like using all my keys, not to upset about losing them unless it's something stupid like only glimmer lol

sullen depot
#

Oh yeah that’s what I’m saying. He is way over. So it’s getting totally cleared tomorrow regardless lol. Might as well use it for something

livid sable
#

Sunk cost is best fallacyXuanWei

twilit thistle
#

I think ratios would be 30% legendary campaigns, 15% sg, 5% chaos, and save the rest. (ideally)

true dock
#

the stoneburner detonates in the cul de sac and blinds the prophet.

#

whoops wrong chat

sullen depot
#

😭😭

true dock
#

#NoSpoilers

twilit thistle
#

assuming you dont have an acc that looks like this at the very least. šŸ’€

fluid egret
#

last wish on rising

#

imagine that

grand shore
exotic sinew
#

HA?

empty kettle
#

Blog post incoming

exotic sinew
#

What’s HA numerals

low shell
#

Should I do the pack hunt or wait S4?

exotic sinew
#

Do them and get those strongholds done

grand shore
tight talon
#

ą„§ ą„Ø ą„© ą„Ŗ or ą«§ ૨ ą«© ૪

remote grove
#

Its officially the last week of this version of DR now o.o rip pinnacle

last matrix
#

new announcement talks about player experience... maybe theyre hinting at a pc port?

tight talon
#

If i haven't missed it, it's 85 times of asking for a PC Port and getting rejected

signal phoenix
#

🚨

vast arch
#

I want a pc port with ultra graphics and more keybinds

grave river
#

So is there a new day 1 raid event too with this update?

vocal hawk
grave river
indigo solar
vocal hawk
#

That'll be in season 6 phase 9

indigo solar
#

the shift in seasonal structure is interesting

indigo solar
vocal hawk
#

There's not a lot of info about what's happening with these phases

last matrix
#

so no pc port announced?

vocal hawk
last matrix
storm scroll
vocal hawk
#

The day 1 event is called The Great Hunt.

last matrix
#

im confused

wicked zealot
#

Are you all excited for the updates?

storm scroll
#

Maybe I missed

vocal hawk
#

It says "the great hunt event will be launched in the season", that's all the details we have.

#

I will admit I am extrapolating a bit.

storm scroll
#

I was being serious. Thought I missed something

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Guess we will all find out together

vocal hawk
#

It just reminds me of how Eclipse Monolith was the name for the week one event for the first three Onslaught instances.

livid sable
#

"eclipse the event or the raid"
"what?"

obtuse chasm
#

Got a 1 on my DM’s and it’s driving me insane can someone please help me out 😭

#

Can’t find the dm

obtuse chasm
indigo jewel
obtuse chasm
rotund flame
lapis swallow
#

I now wish photon farming is bearable by next update

sharp talon
#

wow photon from legendary campaign

tight talon
#

love happy to help

deft fiber
#

Blessed be upon thee, for we hath broken the pinnacle shackles that bound us for too long!!!!! Rejoice!!!!!!!

vocal hawk
#

RIP pinnacle energy, you will not be missed

tight talon
#

Inb4 pinnacle wasn't the problem anyways it's just endgame has nothing to do still

livid sable
#

No more energy system so we can do more nothing šŸ”„

cobalt marten
#

Do we know what weapons the new character will use?

empty kettle
tight talon
#

Mythic Handcannon/ Exotic Sniper (Cloudstrike)

#

If you are spending money on The Eternal Death (Exotic Handcannon) / 40k (Mythic Sniper)

cobalt marten
sharp talon
#

expanse can be their main game mode, i hope they really fleshed it out in s4

long fossil
#

do I use my lumia leaves or do I wait until the new update comes out

cobalt marten
empty kettle
cobalt marten
#

Is Eternal Death a new type of hand cannon? I don't remember using that in the PC games Destiny 🐱

sharp talon
#

fingers crossed its good for jaren

long fossil
empty kettle
long fossil
#

yeh should I spend my currency

cobalt marten
# sharp talon fingers crossed its good for jaren

I hope so, that's why I asked about the new character's weapons because I wanted new hand cannons for him. I don't know why, but I feel like I do more damage with Crimson at low levels than with Last Word almost fully activated

sharp talon
long fossil
#

ah okay

abstract cedar
old pilot
#

Sup people

#

I haven't played destiny rising for a while now but heard these good news about this energy system that it will be removed but I recently was thinking about getting destiny 2 dlcs šŸ’€ now should I just ignore d2 and come back for destiny rising ?

candid phoenix
abstract cedar
#

#Ahamkaralivesmatter

empty kettle
#

Certain ahamkara's

regal gulch
#

Who here has saved over 40k+ luma leafs and will continue to save?

frozen nimbus
old pilot
willow basin
regal gulch
old pilot
#

I didn't mind the grind at all tho so only just the gacha system and the energy system that's all

empty kettle
candid phoenix
old pilot
empty kettle
old pilot
frozen nimbus
regal gulch
#

Oh yeah lol I need to buy all that still lol

old pilot
sharp talon
candid phoenix
# old pilot It was in the offical page but I might got it wrong

It’s phrased weirdly because they suck at translating tbh. It says they’re ā€œmoving away from pure draw systemā€ for obtaining characters. But they only let you get enough F2P materials (character shards) to get the base version of the mythic. Since they’re introducing shards it’s no longer ā€œpurelyā€ drawing to get the character

old pilot
candid phoenix
#

It’s still a major improvement imo, but I want to be transparent about the change

old pilot
#

My main was that sniper guy don't remember his name

candid phoenix
#

Tan-2

old pilot
#

Ah yes...damn tan 2 😢

candid phoenix
#

The new character Efrideet will be a hand cannon/sniper

#

Oh yeah weapon locked characters are still a problem unfortunately, but they’re expanding on the weapons system with more perk upgrades and higher tier mods

#

Destiny 2 would give you a lot more freedom in terms of weapon variety and builds, but it’s really hard to get into a lot of the endgame content if you don’t already have friends playing. I’ve been trying to LFG for it recently and the chats are so dead an hour can pass before someone posts dead

empty kettle
#

They should honestly remove the weapon lock on Wolf since the weapon mastery just increases the dmg that a weapon does

haughty dragon
#

I like the weapon lock system, but I agree it should be flexible on wolf

candid phoenix
#

Mythic wolf when

haughty dragon
#

Probably at some point through the campaign

empty kettle
haughty dragon
#

Like to be able to transform like we did in the last boss fight

velvet swan
#

Anyone know what weapons new character will run

empty kettle
velvet swan
#

K

opal night
#

Still fairly new, but i wanted to ask if I can raise proficiency by running solo, or do I have to be in an actual fireteam? Noone in-game would give me an answer

haughty dragon
#

Unfortunately 90% of things to do in the game fast you need to be in a fireteam

opal night
#

Im just wanting to raise proficiency to complete character quests, wanted to find out the fastest way to do that

sharp talon
haughty dragon
#

Wonder how they'll change that once energy is gone

opal night
#

They gonna remove energy??

haughty dragon
#

Yeah

velvet swan
haughty dragon
#

3 days I believe

visual rain
#

im wondering how EVERYTHING is gonna work without pinnacle, cus the drop rates were balanced around pinnacle not being infinite

haughty dragon
#

Drop rates were pretty bad, at least for me

opal night
visual rain
#

casual players might just get screwed if drop rates are lowered to match

#

oh well i dont play the game so why do i care

haughty dragon
#

šŸ˜‚

velvet swan
#

Good as gold figured but thought I'd offer anyway

opal night
#

Another quick question, the Hold to aim, release to fire setting they have on shotguns and launchers

#

Why not add that to the hand cannon?

empty kettle
visual rain
haughty dragon
#

I just no scope

opal night
visual rain
#

people use that???

haughty dragon
#

I never have lol

visual rain
#

that sounds horrible

opal night
#

Its not an actual setting unfortunately from what I've seen, just feel it would make it easier for mobile to use

#

Considering its a hand cannon and not auto rifle

visual rain
#

so wait what do yall do when youre aiming but you DONT want to shoot

haughty dragon
#

People aim?

visual rain
#

yeah i cant hipfire izi

opal night
#

Personally, me as a mobile player, I don't have that luxury, its either hide and peek, or send it

haughty dragon
visual rain
#

i mean i could on issakis i guess

velvet swan
visual rain
#

but with my scout rifle the guns in this game are so broken i just dont even aim tbh

opal night
#

That was pretty much all my questions tho, thanks for the help tada

visual rain
#

theres like 0 recoil

visual rain
#

HELL NO

opal night
#

You frfr missing out

visual rain
#

the only thing rossi was ever good for was nuking issakis with completely intentional mechanics

#

i hate bows

empty kettle
#

Use Wolf

opal night
#

Rossi's ult is broken in my opinion

sharp talon
#

rossi ultimate is peak

visual rain
#

actually yeah did they ever fix him just one shotting issakis with the super

opal night
#

I wouldn't know

#

I haven't played this game in nearly a year and am just recently coming back

#

So everything was lost

visual rain
#

game has been out 7 months tf you mean 😭

opal night
#

HUH??

#

Bruh it feels like its been longer

empty kettle
visual rain
#

it was like end of august right? or am i dumb

empty kettle
#

28th of August

opal night
#

I lost track of time for 5 months? Jeez bro, im 18 pushing deity dead

visual rain
#

same tbh it already feels like its been so long

#

but really for me its been like 4 months

opal night
#

I genuinely thought its been WAY longer since I last played this game

#

Little did I know i apparently played this game a month and a half after launch and lost my time frame

visual rain
#

man honestly how is it 2026 who let this happen

opal night
#

I blame Elon

#

Just because

#

Any who, I got grinding to do, so thank you to yall who answered my questions (which for some reason people ingame couldn't care to answer for 5 seconds)

obtuse chasm
#

Kinda like attal’s super

obtuse chasm
restive ruin
#

its very angry sometimes

#

😨

obtuse chasm
#

Gotta do something while you’re chillin in queues

ruby jetty
#

I'll take that as a win

obtuse chasm
#

Agreed, honestly would be nice to just see some new faces or returning faces tho

#

Been seeing a lot more new lights tho

ruby jetty
#

Anyway im off to collage i will be grinding later bye all

signal magnet
#

Do Battle Pass Weapon Tokens (the eggs) expire when the season ends or do they carry over? Should I spend the ones that I have now?

#

The in-game tooltip doesn't mention anything about them expiring, unlike the tooltip for the Battle Pass Token (the shard), where it says they get cleared once the battle pass ends

vocal hawk
signal magnet
#

Thank you! šŸ™‚

cyan tide
#

Man, I got excited when I saw there was a new dev blog but it's the same stuff they posted like 4 days ago

bitter estuary
#

Reddit will say eos by s4a2

#

Anyways 8 days left i think for the division resurgence

wide dagger
#

Played it back in 2023 , it was mid

tight talon
shy wind
#

AYO, what will happen to lumia leaves? is it gonna dissappear?

cerulean snow
#

Hello

#

I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing

tight talon
cerulean snow
#

In the game I mean

tight talon
#

Jk, leaves and boats are staying.

shy wind
#

my concern is what is the use of leaves then if they already not to be used for pulls

#

update info is still vague

cyan tide
cerulean snow
#

How do I get pulls? I want to get the new upcoming character

#

I only got the normal leaves, I have no idea how to get those special ones

shy wind
cyan tide
surreal berry
#

i'M having trouble WITH this WEEKS solo BULWARK

cerulean snow
#

Do I earn more with exploration

surreal berry
# surreal berry

I always turn mine into the Limited Draw Currency... (purple boat)

cyan tide
surreal berry
cerulean snow
golden spade
#

Guys, crota seal to not die for providence (not to die 20 times) does it have to be the last event fighting crota? Whats the fastest way to do it?

cyan tide
surreal berry
cyan tide
#

Calamity is going away next season tho so don't worry too much about it

frozen nimbus
surreal berry
cerulean snow
cyan tide
surreal berry
#

Shifting Gates certainly staying... I did not read anything of it going away....

empty kettle
signal magnet
#

It's annoying that you need to do it a lot to get the season title

cerulean snow
dusty spire
#

Put 5 LE boats in SG for last rank and see it fill up more lol

languid thicket
#

I love playing with bots for free wins
Pvp slows down my ranking process

signal magnet
#

i tried to play SG today and matchmaking got stuck at 16/18 for 10 minutes...

rotund raptor
restive ruin
#

uhh dumb question but do master keys overflow? like if I'm at 11 before weekly reset does it go above 12?

#

nvm I dont think so I saw a pic earlier

surreal berry
surreal berry
signal magnet
languid thicket
surreal berry
languid thicket
surreal berry
languid thicket
#

Spend energy, altho is very much inefficient

surreal berry
languid thicket
#

I know its draining

#

But if you came in late, you are at a disadvantage

surreal berry
languid thicket
#

Solo endless 15 waves just need the 3 mentioned towers, anything beyond 15 theres no rewards

restive ruin
#

you can just also keep ptuting down a stonehoof at start wiping at like wave 3 (basically afk) and youll farm basic reward chests

languid thicket
#

You actualy need to get the 15 waves loot solo and multiplayer every week

languid thicket
restive ruin
#

thats what iw ould do if i was you

restive ruin
surreal berry
#

well I could use up the weekly Exchange leaves for energy for more blue crates

languid thicket
#

But this wk is the final wk

surreal berry
#

The Flyers are getting past towers

#

So... is that on me?...

languid thicket
#

Wave 1 build as much muq as u can, build before wave 1 ends

#

Wave 2 sell muq get 5 k and build 1 hoof

#

Wave 3 onwards whenever 1 lane opens build 1 hoof there and build muqs until u reach the 3rd decrypt (after wave 6), u can build some anes along the way, anes should build near your defense portal

#

On 3rd decrpty, choose anes 2x beam and start changing all your muq to anes, then on just upgrade to level 3 and you are done on 15

surreal berry
sharp talon
#

oh i just realized i had a thing there but i cant see it šŸ™

surreal berry
#

ummm... I only got 10/20 for crota and That's what I need for gilded Title?...

sharp talon
bitter estuary
surreal berry
bitter estuary
dusty spire
#

500 headshot kills :/

#

Talk about a job

shadow crow
#

how is the game doing ? dropped it month ago

bitter estuary
cyan tide
bitter estuary
sharp talon
bitter estuary
#

s4 hype is real though

dusty spire
sharp talon
#

which one is the 500 head shot thing?

cyan tide
#

For conqueror

#

500 precision final blows in master strikes

white fossil
#

conqueror was my 3rd gilded title šŸ™

shadow crow
#

had the girl with the scythe really opti, did they add new stuff or something ?

dusty spire
#

10 more blitz and 300 prec kills left

sharp talon
#

jaren is fire for that

white fossil
#

jaren and rossi

sullen depot
#

yeah i finished it with jaren yesterday

white fossil
#

rossi better for it but jaren works too

cyan tide
sharp talon
#

how come rossi?

white fossil
#

bow

sharp talon
#

jaren is much faster no? welling light, blazing shot?

white fossil
#

yes but you can miss, with rossi you do not miss headshots šŸ˜‚

sharp talon
#

true

#

rossi players are built diff

white fossil
#

i love playing him but he is kinda slow dps so 😭

bitter estuary
#

his dps was so wack i end up using attal

sullen depot
#

wait did they give 6 challenger keys this week instead of the usual 3.

sharp talon
sullen depot
#

oh thats nice

sharp talon
#

could be bug, idk. i dont think they will take it back tho atp

sullen depot
#

haha yeah they can give but no take backs

rotund raptor
#

Anything will happen to the open world keys?
And should we dismantke what mythic weapons we have in inventory

signal magnet
#

I know that last week there was an issue with getting the normal 3 keys, and they gave them to us in mail. Maybe it's related to that

cyan tide
#

I only got 3 challenge keys on NA, tho that might be because I was already at 9

rotund raptor
#

I got 6 i was on 0 yesterday

#

Anyway ill let em turn to seasonal tokken

rotund raptor
sullen depot
#

i have 59k mythic weapon parameters lol

rotund raptor
dusty spire
#

Using PE is active progression not using PE imo is split between inactiveness and hoarding

So with that being said I’ve successfully burned down my PE

#

And was that a job lol

rotund raptor
#

I gkt a gallow today need 1 more for max gallow .then i can wait for estela rerun in peace

dusty spire
#

Glad for the GM LC

rotund raptor
#

Fr the gm lc is saving a lot of time

dusty spire
#

Facts, now I need to burn keys

rotund raptor
#

Gm? Ones

dusty spire
#

Master since I need it for triumph

rotund raptor
#

Ahh cool cool

dusty spire
#

9 keys so I’ll just do 1 by 1 šŸ˜“

rotund raptor
#

I think i have the seal so ill convert em later

dusty spire
#

Really wanted to max cat all the S1 - S3 freemium exotics (since I don’t want all BP until I play a character that uses them)

But with that new MG and Sniper and Hc I’ve gotta think twice

#

Only got 2 left old prefect and concerto?

violet minnow
dusty spire
#

A lot of freemium exotics are unbalanced hopefully this is fixed s4

violet minnow
#

If it's like D2 thunderlord then it maybe can build Estela stacks way faster

rotund raptor
dusty spire
#

Onslaught exotic have a performance above general blitz strike exotics but under BP weapons

#

It’s weird how they have scaled them

bitter estuary
#

gg @surreal berry

surreal berry
bitter estuary
#

anyways, still the wrong scope for my 4horned

#

game sucks

#

i hate rng

rotund raptor
#

What were u aiming for ?

bitter estuary
sharp talon
#

octant needs a buff

bitter estuary
#

i have like 12 clandestine protocol

rotund raptor
sullen depot
rotund raptor
#

Yea ibput a synthesia one for that

#

Hopfully they add those perks

candid phoenix
#

they're also deleting origin trait perk upgrades

surreal berry
#

I need to Re-Read it again...

candid phoenix
#

[Weapon Perk] System:

Enhancement levels and perk upgrades will no longer be part of mod capabilities but will be randomly generated when the weapon drops;

Myth-quality perks will fully support perk upgrades, with each perk randomly obtaining up to 2 perk upgrade abilities;

Foundry perks will no longer have perk levels or perk upgrade abilities;

surreal berry
candid phoenix
#

if netease is forgiving maybe the upgrade will become intrinsic

bitter estuary
#

they're gonna sell us mod refactors

languid thicket
#

damn i did not even touch master difficulty, is this going away?

surreal berry
#

Is it Odd for Game devs to do a big change to the game b4 the Anniversary?...

candid phoenix
sullen depot
marsh mist
candid phoenix
#

i'm hoping we can use our mythic fragments as material but who knows

candid phoenix
bitter estuary
#

chat do i use my keys or not

#

im kinda scared if they do a "bug fix" last minute

sullen depot
#

they wont do a bug fix to take away keys. especially if pple have already spent them

#

be happy with the 6 keys recieved this week

#

the challenger keys

languid thicket
#

im gonna hoard the keys and let it convert to s4 upgrade materials

surreal berry
#

Has Anyone Written down a List of Items Being Removed?

I just like to šŸ‘€ Look side by side game and LIST what is ITEMS such as Consumeable going away...

sullen depot
#

Several upgrade materials are converted into Seasonal Tokens:
Elemental Fruit
Artifactual Cluster
Metastable Core
Occultation Essence
Ops Authorization

#

we dont know what the "excess quantities of other upgrade materials" is though

candid phoenix
#

bro i got a photon after i spent my weekly high chances

#

are you kidding me lol

spark holly
#

yo duds when is the gacha unlocked

candid phoenix
indigo solar
spark holly
#

am in iceland clad quest rn

amber iris
#

I hope we get a trailer today

spark holly
#

ayy its unlocked

candid phoenix
#

nah today is a crazy day

glad valve
#

The number is 3

#

Till Season 4

glad valve
stark forge
dusty spire
#

10 more blitz to go

candid phoenix
dusty spire
#

Ngl hack making it easy

languid thicket
#

im screwed

cyan tide
slow olive
dusty spire
thorny frost
bitter estuary
#

e.g. truth and ttf also rc/qb and arbalest

dusty spire
#

Just general power scale

bitter estuary
#

oh

dusty spire
#

Is lower they get 7.5 % boosted

#

Whilst bp get higher boosy

#

So yeah when you look at it their is a deliberate make shift to keep normal exotic performance under BP

thorny frost
#

That I will need to go look at the nodes for I don’t have those memorized.

dusty spire
#

And then when you compare to onslaught BP they also have a higher general % boost

#

I don’t like that

#

Because it makes loved free exotics crap to use

#

It’s based off the ip I don’t get the dedicated vision to make these weapons unplayable lol

#

Like all the exotics have the right idea but just locked behind a performance wall based on being paid for or not

#

That’s stupid imo

thorny frost
#

That isn’t really how it ends up feeling tho. Heir is still considered better damage then Gallows, and RC compared to Arablest is close (from memories I think RC is considered to have higher damage but Arablest has coverage + the debuff).

I would need to sit down and look at all their base stats to see if something was given up for that extra node damage boost.

frozen grotto
#

Told myself wouldn't invest in this game anymore until I was sure it was here to stay...

#

5hrs l8r I can't stop playing... it does scratch that destiny itch.....just please last

sullen depot
cyan tide
#

Iirc RC is only better against bosses, against anything with a shield Arbalest is better

elder wing
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Well people… we might actually not get a char trailer Cry Cry Cry

sullen depot
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and are we all forgetting how trinity ghoul battle pass exotic ended up. that weapon is currently unused

obtuse folio
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Just in time for S4!tada

half sky
cyan tide
slow olive
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Although that it occupies primary damage and exotic slot

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Directly competing with Heir and Gallows

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Functionality wise why would you choose any pulse of Furies

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Then damage and exotic slot comes to mind

bitter estuary
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Crimson is clearly built for attal

slow olive
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Love the multi-shinka capability

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Hate the range detriment that HC's arent supposed to have

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Speaking of which
Lady Efrideet

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Could've been the 2nd pistol user but no

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Too cowardly to let a triple shinka character run amok

sullen depot
bitter estuary
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if exotic cores are grindable

slow olive
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It makes sense that Efri should have one, gameplay wise too if at an angle

cyan tide
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I don't think old prefect is any better at breaking impact shields

slow olive
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Well, it isn't exactly built for impact...

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On the top of my head any multi-shinka weapons are:

bitter estuary
karmic chasm
slow olive
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Holy smokes Mahamayuri is really this good

bitter estuary
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oh nvm its meh for impact shinkas

slow olive
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Try any slug shotguns against precision shinkas

sullen depot
slow olive
cyan tide
# bitter estuary oh nvm its meh for impact shinkas

It seems to perform better than TLW without damage buffs but my last word is missing the last catalyst so idk if that affects the test
With damage buffs they're the same, TLW might even be slightly faster

slow olive
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Pistols hit too hard to be rapids, but enough to be impacts and vide versa

sullen depot
dusty spire
slow olive
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I just tried and wow

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yup

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Also its so funny that the training range rapid shinka's shield is deleted with 1 round of explosive payload total lockdown

sullen depot
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wait technically symmtry is triple lol. piercing / spread / rapid

slow olive
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2/3

dusty spire
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I love HMG but when you stand next to a sniper LFR granade launchers you might aswell use melee attacks

slow olive
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Symmetry has too low of an ammo count and not fast enough of a fire rate to be a good rapid fire stand in