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[cyan tide]

Let's hope Sony doesn't become even more insufferable now that they have less competition

[dark gulch]

PC forever

[glass rock]

Made the smart move of getting a pc and haven’t regretted it once. Lowkey need to learn how to clean it cause of dust but I have that and my ps5 as a backup. Use my iPad for when I’m at work trying to play. Super new to game tho but my boss is high 60k on all characters and got me hooked haha

[dark gulch]

send me specs!! we have ours encased in glass but electronics cleaner should work maybe

[bold thunder]

If it's been a bit, definitely worth learning how to clean it out

The temp difference can be a pretty big deal, especially if your cpu/gpu are temp throttling

[glass rock]

I have a 5070,32gb ram,2tb ssd, core ultra 7 processor. I’m a cyber security major finishing my last year so I figured it was a good investment. But @bold thunder I def need to clean it out it’s only been about 6 months

[bold thunder]

6 months is short enough that it's probably not in desperate need

But especially if you have it on the ground it's worth doing regularly

Especially the ultra 7 I think tends to run hot at high loads so you might notice some pretty significant performance increase if the vents/fans are clogged

[bold thunder]

@celest robin you still up for coop?

@twilit thistle crazy work, I think we had 3 runs today that beat my pb from last session

[twilit thistle]

Sony prolly grieving, bc now every acquisition=anti trust lawsuit 💀

[tight talon]

[twilit thistle]

I think it beat mine by a wide margin 😂

[tight talon]

I'd give anti trust law suit to everyone who acquired companies from 2001 till yesterday

[rotund flame]

How do i fight all the bosses in chaos? I'm missing like 2. Done 100 rounds 🗿

[stark forge]

in expanse u mean ?

[bold thunder]

@indigo solar @winged quail I don't know if beevan is on still, either of you up for a run?for the ping

[celest robin]

I can hop back on. You still have a spot?

[bold thunder]

yep

[winged quail]

I’m afk for the next like 20 minute after that I’m good if someone hops out or no one joins

[bold thunder]

let me know when you're on, going to go grab a drink and stuff

[celest robin]

I’m on

[mighty pollen]

whens cowboy coming back to draw

[pulsar coral]

High noon

[celest vessel]

Did this game die ?

[mighty pollen]

well yea but which high noon

[rotund flame]

I want helhest to come back. Want to try for t6 if possible. I doubt she will fall off in the game life spans

[pulsar coral]

No idea, probably fall-winter 2026-2027

[mighty pollen]

damn

thats like

a while

[bold thunder]

don't want to double ping, but the spots open if either of you get finished with what you're doing (or anyone else with t4s who wants to do a run)

[celest robin]

maybe ikora is broken. atleast her arm

[twilit thistle]

missing arm=op

Ngl I think Umeko is missing an arm netease

[stiff breach]

i kinda want to get the paid skin for ikora

her helm looks way better with the skin

[upbeat forge]

Their shutting down Xbox? Sorry for the ping

[tight talon]

Dunno immediate actions they are taking, but yeah.

As a service i suppose

So all consoles are just duds if they don't have a CD drive

[gaunt dragon]

Best characters?

[twilit thistle]

[cyan tide]

[twilit thistle]

[twilit thistle]

[twilit thistle]

@red geyser

[bold thunder]

@winged quail just checking in before I'm done for the session to see if you still wanted to do a run

[winged quail]

gonna just run pinnacle with pack for the night thanks tho!

[bold thunder]

gl then, thanks for the run earlier!

[winged quail]

yessir, end up with a new pb?

[bold thunder]

yeah in coop at least

+3 pb, just barely short of beating my solo pb

[tight talon]

Bro is literally this

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar I legit was just messing around on the old phone I fixed while stevelion and i were on our bulwark marathon, and i accidentally walked oob. I couldnt do this again if i tried.

[gaunt dragon]

How do you unlock 6 star artifacts?

[lapis swallow]

It's been weeks running Legendary campaign spending 140 each day even and not get a single photon drop 🥀

[tacit kernel]

Exotic artifacts? You have to start Acclaim leveling, as it's an unlock. And that is available after reaching team level 80 and completing chapter 7-2

[gaunt dragon]

I did that already I completed everything and I’m lvl 80

What activities do I need to do to get certain ones

[tacit kernel]

Singularity: Chaos

And other Realm of the IX Activities

[gaunt dragon]

Alright thanks

[tacit kernel]

To get specific artifacts, you have to create wishlists for Singularity: Chaos, these will make the artifacts more likely

[gaunt dragon]

Ah makes sense

These are the ones I need
UNDAUNTED BLAZAR
SIPHONING BLAZAR
RAMPAGING PACT
UNDAUNTED SPIRAL

[dusty spire]

BM is the main weekly loop for photons

1 if your lucky a month for LC

[lapis swallow]

I'm starting to crash out with the atrocious drop rate coupled with limited pinnacle you get each day as an excuse for the game having barely any content

At least WF still keeps me sane rn

[dusty spire]

I gets you completely, only other way I can see it fixed is to do what we get with onslaught drops, increase weekly chest drop rate to 12-15%

[naive ingot]

Sega supremacy

[slow ridge]

At work thinking of gwenn and Estella

[bitter estuary]

tbh i wouldn't be able to catch up with the meta if i didnt do monthly ngl

[dusty spire]

Same here plus I do the weekly PE and convert the silver into photon.

It’s the current service model we have brought into

I’m not dry on photons at all, so I’m pretty certain this is a progression loop based on paid service users

Hence why I say the treadmill is slow for F2P welfare accounts

[bitter estuary]

atleast weapons dont need 500~700 bucks to max out

[dusty spire]

I’m not a whale but I’m a monthly paid service user

And if I’m gonna be fair the paid service loop is quite cheap

[bitter estuary]

if you think about it the reason why d:r doesn't look good in monthly revenue is because you can only whale for characters

[dusty spire]

I think more is coming

In terms of what we can overall spend for and also future end game plans

[bitter estuary]

maybe gacha skins ? idk

[dusty spire]

That was one thing they trialed

Would be better if the relic skin gave you a relic buff

That’s the edge you’re pulling for with the skin look

Skin needs to have a good effect to that’s worthy of a limited banner

And separates it from direct exotic skin purchases

Atm I feel the direction is more so building on the game and finding the right quality spot for more exposure in the future….new lights joining from S4 will have a much bigger game than we have from day 1

[woven holly]

BkeuBXUz join me

[oak temple]

Which one is better? T5 Maru or T5 Hikora?

[hidden carbon]

Hikora

[tight talon]

Is Soup better than Fruit Juice? Is Grilled Cheese better than Club Sandwich

[sharp talon]

yes

[lapis swallow]

I rather have guaranteed drops on pinnacle then having 1.5-4% drop rate on Leggy Campaign without the pinnacle

Because holy, even WF has pity system on drop rates if you get unlucky

[sharp talon]

cordon rewards finally 🔥

[lapis swallow]

That's it?

A DPS check mode and that's it, that's the reward?

[sharp talon]

yea the leaderboard rewards XD. cordon had really good rewards outside of the leaderboard mode

[lapis swallow]

That's disappointing

Idk what's worse, Crota's end leaderboard rewards or this

[sharp talon]

the title ends in 30d im guessing cordon will be perma in s4

[lapis swallow]

That's if this game ever sees S4

[sharp talon]

only a month a way from s4 XD

[lapis swallow]

I applaud with your optimism despite how bad the game is rn

[sharp talon]

morgrans this week, pvp event next week (based on the info from the china server). hopefully both are fun

[lapis swallow]

PVP event will be like the Christmas snowball fighting event, people will spam matchmaking to get bot matches

[sharp talon]

i dont think so, i think it will be more like iron medley

[lapis swallow]

Rush for the rewards, then quit the mode once they get everything

Then the new PVP event is dead after a week

No one will even bother playing PVP after geting all the rewards

[sharp talon]

i think theyre adding a leaderboard based on the translated post

[lapis swallow]

Why would they? Iron Medley wouldn't be dead if they can play it with good rewards after a match

[sharp talon]

oh wow the chat bubble is permanent

[hidden carbon]

Nice

[restive ruin]

what a weird time to give them lol

[sharp talon]

i guess theyre back in the office now lol

[restive ruin]

not even on daily reset lol

yea maybe hah

[restive ruin]

black market coins were daily though no?

thats a really big incentive

[lapis swallow]

If only they give it enough, most of the time it's not. Either you are split into buying more BP tokens to exchange it for the exotic or photons to upgrade an exotic

Then again, the game still currently on P2W status on exotic weapons

[restive ruin]

Yeah thats fair, it wont be enough to do both but itll be decent amount

[lapis swallow]

I rather they copy WF on weapons at least, allow the BP weapons grindable in any current modes in the game, or pay to skip the grinding to own one

[dusty spire]

Tbf medley was quite active

And tbf I’ve got no problem with photons only because I’ve been paying into the service model

But I agree again anyone trying to F2P walfare progress your gonna be on a real slower treadmill

[sharp talon]

the barter event really helped me in terms of photons i think

i really hope it becomes a regular thing

[dusty spire]

Once a month or 2 month is a nice bolster

Kabr 1.0 69k

Absolutely enjoy playing him

[prisma pond]

I got my 4* ikora at 72k wearing all the hand me downs of hairkora :x

I'm probably on some sorta leaderboard for sure because of her

[wintry verge]

Hey yall. I’m trying to promote up in calamity ops but I can’t seem to get a score higher than I already have.. it’s a little frustrating any suggestions

[sharp talon]

q with t6 hh

jk what's ur highest score rn?

[lapis swallow]

Whenever a game gets greedy they usually dies, seen a lot of games where they limit too much on the F2P side and heavily benefits P2P side that they can't gain any more new players willing to fund the game because they can't survive the F2P lifestyle

[prisma pond]

It do be like that

[lapis swallow]

Well that sums up on majority of Netease's dead games tbf

[dusty spire]

I don’t think it’s greed

[prisma pond]

Ngl i dont bother with cal ops and as a f2p that has given me a lot of peace of mind..

[sharp talon]

the rewards are really important tho

[lapis swallow]

It's a gacha game, it's already greedy

[naive ingot]

I just hover in expert for Cal Ops. Best way to be

[prisma pond]

Yeah but i am able to maintain expert 1-2 with random ques

[dusty spire]

Honestly I don’t feel the greed

[lapis swallow]

I mean you pay for your in-game stuff

[sharp talon]

theyve been really generous lately too

[lapis swallow]

So easy access to the items you need

[prisma pond]

Yeah

[dusty spire]

Well it’s a live service game lol

[wintry verge]

332600..

[dusty spire]

Not like it’s some government facilitated gatcha

[lapis swallow]

Tons of live service games out there that are both F2P and P2P friendly

[wintry verge]

Right? lol

[sharp talon]

specialist/expert/master?

[dusty spire]

This is pay to progress friendly

Imo

[prisma pond]

Like as a f2p i have been able to pull literally every single char since launch (did skip maru coz i dont like her) and am currently sitting on 21k pull currency

[lapis swallow]

Doesn't really justify with how dry and unforgiving the game is

[wintry verge]

My bad. Specialist 2

[lapis swallow]

That's Warframe, and it's miles better than this game, let's be honest here

[sharp talon]

which character are you typically using?

[dusty spire]

Well warframe ain’t got me

And if it’s better I always wonder why their players linger here

[prisma pond]

Also has been able to max almost every sig exotic of new char.. u just gotta manage resources people. It is a gatcha game and you gotta gointo it with that mentality

[dusty spire]

No offence

[sharp talon]

i havent been able to get into warframe ever

[dusty spire]

Facts resource management

They should start putting that term In game

Like “ manage your resources carefully”

Ghost what are you doing lol

[naive ingot]

Same, played it a bit when I first got my PS4 but barely touched it since.

[dusty spire]

Tells me I’ve got mission to do but won’t tell me to be mindful about aggressive progression lol

[sharp talon]

the 60 free pulls really helps i think if they continue with it. you can't brick your acc from a t0 of a new char

[dusty spire]

Because it comes at a premium service

[dusty spire]

For perm banner it’s noooo complaints at all

Free T2 hikora

[wintry verge]

kabr the resolute at 64596

[dusty spire]

Well almost free 😅

[prisma pond]

You gotta play 200hr to get through the tutorial first with warframe :3

[sharp talon]

think u should build ikora instead, it's easier to carry with her. either way your character is underpowered as well. (even if it is above/at the power cap, you will still benefit from higher power)

[lapis swallow]

Lol, that's an exaggeration for the tutorial

[prisma pond]

Its a no fomo chilll game tho once you go through all that, story is super good as well

[prisma pond]

Okay. Fine 100hrs.
Happy now :x

[lapis swallow]

When I did a fresh new account on mobile and all after you finish tutorial, all you need is to play and play to increase your Mastery Rank

[lapis swallow]

I only did 8hrs dawg

And that's on mobile

[prisma pond]

Bruv you need at least 2 week to unlock all the planets first xD

[lapis swallow]

55 hrs to reach MR 17

[prisma pond]

Then steel path unlocks where the real game begins :3

[lapis swallow]

You can basically play your 1st Warframe then grind weapons and sell them, grind them to create better weapons until you can unlock the better ones and unlock new planets

[wintry verge]

That… would explain a lot lol I’ve been getting clears, but score never changed. Wasn’t sure if it was me messing up or the fireteam. Turns out it’s me trying to get carried lol

[lapis swallow]

Missing one day of not playing doesn't even hinder the progress

[sharp talon]

i really hope next strike is foundry, pit/fulminator/nexus are so boring

[lapis swallow]

Watch it as the pit again

[rotund horizon]

Hiiii

[lapis swallow]

Tbh, there's no saving the game if they keep this up in S4, only S4 is their last chance to overhaul the game, if that still fails, it's over, another EOS title under Netease

[wintry verge]

What power should I try to get to? I also didn’t mean to sound like a jerk in my last message… thank you for the help

[sharp talon]

you didnt sound like a jerk at all XD. i think 73k-74k is a good spot for a character but it is kind of hard to get there for new players

[rotund horizon]

Ngl never played Destiny 2 bc when I tried to do it in Russia on PS4 Pro (at the time of interest the only possible way of experiencing it) it was unavailable bc of extra stuff is locked lol

But now I played Destiny: Rising now that I had choice between Warframe and Destiny before mobile The Division game comes out at SOME point

So far it's been nice, how bad is P2W aspect tho?

[lapis swallow]

Well, you are locked behind progression of the drop rate of this game alone

Being a gacha game, it's worse having to spend pinnacle and not get the drops you need, unlike other gachas

Then paywalling the easiest route to get better exotics

[rotund horizon]

Is it for very end-game stuff?

[wintry verge]

I’ve noticed lol I’m in that spot where I need to lvl up, but to grind what I need so I can I have to lvl to do it lol

[lapis swallow]

Usually for F2P at least a month more or less to max out a character, especially for their relics

Since mats for relics reset from stores about a month

Don't bother trying to reach 3.2k on your artifacts if you're F2P, it's too difficult

[sharp talon]

yea just take your time and youll get there 😄

[lapis swallow]

At least for a gacha game there's pity carry-over to the next banner and no 50-50, well with how low the leaf economy is, it makes sense

[wintry verge]

Thank you 😊

[lapis swallow]

As a new player, don't bother hoping into placing into the leaderboards, whales already dominated that

[prisma pond]

Its a gatcha game with leaderbords so yeah it is p2w for the end game stuff but you can enjoy it and do almost every content f2p but dont expect to be placing top 10 in the end game modes as a f2p tho :v
I mean its not impossible but i'd say value your sanity more.

[elder wing]

Why do I have feeling will get 5 star wolf for S4 lol double rapid with Gallows

[sharp talon]

i hope he still has exotic gl 🙁

[elder wing]

True lol. Im still on on a standby till we get a new trailer for a new character lol if not go all out on ikora

[candid phoenix]

Oh hey I got my cordon rewards

[wispy wolf]

Did i get lucky by joining when the jade rabbit event was happening?

[finite gazelle]

Jade rabbit itself is kinda mid but the event does give you a reasonably high power exotic for free ig

[rotund horizon]

Thx, was the answer I was hoping for, I wasn't gonna go WR anyway

[prisma pond]

Jesus just noticed the ikora banner gonna be here for a whole month.. yikes
Bruv i really hope they start launching rerun banner soon along with these normal ones

[thorny frost]

It is 2 weeks to max a unit at the beginning of each season relic wise. The weeks after that slow down but as maxed units are really only “needed” when pushing higher in calamity OPs and one unit is needed a season that is pretty F2P friendly.

The numbers: specialist 2 you get 9 from the getting to the tier reward, 4 for staying in it. So we are at 13, 1 from point reward, and 5 from fortuna shop, 2 from guild shop (so you don’t even need to buy all 5 from the other shop). You need 18 to increase all relics. And that is only if you really need that little extra damage here and there.

[thorny frost]

I think you are confusing long term progression goals with not being F2P friendly. Leaderboards are really only there to help extend the game play loop giving us a reason to push further. As F2P there is no reason you “need” max anything to do the content in the game.

Expanse 40 is cleanable with suboptimal artifact choices that aren’t ranked up. Master 1 definitely doesn’t need perfect artifacts, heck overseer is more of a team check then having max everything (high rank in overseer might be a bit more but that is leaderboards giving players a reason to min max). Raids can be cleared with some of the weakest units…. This game has issues but locking F2P players is not really one of them. Heck even our one pure PvP mode doesn’t take any progression into account including tiers of units.

[bitter estuary]

As i sais before game really caters a lot to low spenders

[weak ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-7202280865353280690

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-a-robot-ronnie-engvid-are-you-an-ai-are-you-not-human-gif-23032363

[sharp pelican]

76k t6 hh or kick

[tight talon]

7 TB of Gwwyn Attal & Umeko Cuddling or kick

[naive ingot]

Shhhhh 🤫

[sharp pelican]

how do u get the attal role

or char roles

[naive ingot]

It was when Iron Medley was on. I hope it comes back tbf. It was actually fun

[sharp pelican]

oh ok

i thought that event was kinda mid ngl

esp with low playerbase

[naive ingot]

Was better then normal iron bar....

[dark gulch]

I am stopping by to say hello!

[wispy maple]

I fumble helhest when she first came, I hope we get a re-run soon

[haughty tapir]

is game good

[devout void]

i think its very doable by savings, and ning can find a spot during many cycle, personally i didnt pull since estella and now with the savings I pull ikora T6 and im ready for the next T6, but yea you need to skip A LOT and manage your ressources, on the other side i know a few account that bought like 15 000 / 20 000 silvers and when i check them they have every character T2/T3, your account your choice but i rather have T6 when they are good

[naive ingot]

Hello there

[dusty spire]

Definitely doable it really boils down to forecasting resources, managing them and also having the ability to be patient enough to acquire a good amount of lumi over time.

[wispy maple]

Test the new character if you really like the play style and it can do Ning fei type damage pull if not skip that's what I do

[dusty spire]

Don’t say that 😩 I feel wolf is more an anniversary thing if that’s gonna be a thing.

Out of all the available weapons it seems jotuun is the only one without a committed hero attached to it

[wispy maple]

In my opinion Jaren plays beautiful!

[naive ingot]

Sidearms too

[dusty spire]

Ain’t that Gwynns?

So if you was to go for journey bundle now

I guess without Gwynn they giving you an unusable item loool

Neteas 😩😅

Journey bundle extension into Red Sea incoming lol

[naive ingot]

Yes. Like fusion are only Xuan Wei. But Wei newer players can get still.

[dusty spire]

Oct is xuans signature weapon

So he’s covered

Jotuun ain’t it’s just usable if that’s gonna makes sense

[naive ingot]

There's no other character currently that has sidearms. Need a legendary character that uses them.

[dusty spire]

Yeah and we have a few spaces for legends too that need to be filled

But from what I see each exotic is a signature weapon for a hero

Like risk runner is blatantly Nings

[obtuse chasm]

Since no one is answering me in casual I’ll ask here, I’m looking for where to go to change one artifacts enhancement to another it’s arc now but I want to reroll it to void. Not trying to refactor it

[haughty swallow]

attribute transfer

[golden spade]

I tried war frame and it's just too easy. I mean I am at the beginning but the gameplay isn't enjoyable if the ads don't do anything

[obtuse chasm]

Not sure if that’s what I’m looking for rather

Either*

Can’t post photos… lame af

[naive ingot]

Yap more to level up to get image posting rights

[obtuse chasm]

Damn that’s a thing?

I mean it’s reasonable but doing much

[haughty swallow]

yea, bots show up quite a bit

[obtuse chasm]

Valid I guess

[naive ingot]

It comes pretty quickly just chatting

[obtuse chasm]

What’s the rank for it?

[naive ingot]

3 I think 🤔. I can't remember 😂

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah I ain’t doing all that lol

To google I go

[thorny frost]

I think Wolf and Kabr 1.0 are the only ones that doesn’t have their “signature” match their element type.

[golden spade]

When will the division on mobile come out?

[red geyser]

|| 5*||

[dusk quiver]

its a grind when you have loki p

[dusk quiver]

resurgence?

[dusty spire]

That’s heir apparent right?

Always thought gallows was like a est and furies was the BP for her

[dusk quiver]

🪂

[indigo solar]

Did you get hit by a cabal tank? They can force you underground

[slow sable]

I completed the 999+ challenge to see if there was a limit but i guess not meaning its possible to get to 9999 lol 😂

[indigo solar]

Heir is solar

[dusty spire]

Yeah I know but I mean in terms of signature weapons attached to heroes

[golden spade]

Yes

[dusty spire]

That’s why I’m lead to believe we are still missing 1

From the first pre built group of heroes and weapons

[thorny frost]

No gallows I assume is more Kabrs signature. Hair matches Estella to well, decent rpms fit her weapon mastery, shield so she can stand still to trigger her light link, and reload on shield break so she can continue to get the shots needed for her weapon mastery/relic skill.

[dusty spire]

Yess also Kabr 1.0 skill is blast damage

Arc into void cycles Kabr 1.0

[thorny frost]

Kabr does some AOE with his weapon mastery, so having an aoe weapon to help finish them off matches… yea you got where I was going next lol

[dusty spire]

Yup yup I see it

So then who’s is huckleberry @thorny frost

Maybe still jolder but that would have been the signature whilst the sword was battle pass, but she got permi

[thorny frost]

Huckleberry I figure is hers, her skill reloads sub machine guns and her ultimate gives it infinite ammo. This synergizes with the RoF increase and the stack building (which if memory serves was tighter before) of the weapon.

[bold thunder]

sounds like you're talking about the reroll dice, which are pretty rare

you can get them from the battlepass shop, probably a few other sources as well

the smaller ones let you reroll an attribute to a random other one (though apparently if you use multiple in a row without backing out of the menu it will lock them out as you roll them so you can target a specific attribute with enough of them)

or you can get the bigger die that lets you choose an attribute, but I don't know of a way to get that other than the purchase rewards

[dusty spire]

Ok let’s go guess the signature

[obtuse chasm]

I know where to get them fam I appreciate the response got 5 saved up and one choice one, just forgot where to go to reroll I ended up just using them from my inventory

[naive ingot]

Kabr 1.0

[obtuse chasm]

Couldn’t find out where to use them no matter what I searched everyone just kept talking about refactoring

[naive ingot]

Maru

[naive ingot]

Kabr 2.0

Should I let others guess 😂

[naive ingot]

Xuan Wei

[dusty spire]

Eventually they will see I guess, lol this is how I predict up coming heroes based on weapons that don’t have attached heroes

[naive ingot]

Gwynn. Concerto and Eternal Retribution

[dusty spire]

I call it assets s0-S3 or collection

[naive ingot]

Finnala

[thorny frost]

I am at work so I can’t play XD although one you will do might be debatable later. If you choose Izan for Tan I would make the argument of Polaris Lance possibly due to him applying 2 debuffs.

[naive ingot]

it's @sturdy geyser

[naive ingot]

Either Tan or Umeko

[dusty spire]

My counter argument is that he’s in the trailer using it along side Wolf lol

[thorny frost]

This one might also be Finalla, with her ability to draw units in Partridge would blast damage would synergize with that.

[dusty spire]

Gotta choose 1

[thorny frost]

There are possible 2 for some units too

[dusty spire]

I call them sub load outs

[naive ingot]

Umeko. As Polaris is better on Tan

[dusty spire]

So a load out not based on signature but access

Like jaren Oct combo

[thorny frost]

But we aren’t talking about load outs tho, we are more looking at “signature” so I base it how it synerigzes with kits.

[naive ingot]

Jaren with crimson and eternal Retribution.... All the burns covered

[dusty spire]

Umeko

[naive ingot]

Attal

[naive ingot]

Haikora

Ps when engrams will you drop that cosmetic for my Truth

[naive ingot]

The true goat, Rossi

[bold thunder]

for future reference:

[naive ingot]

Urgh Ning in the Bin

[bold thunder]

sorry, I wasn't sure what exactly you were asking

[naive ingot]

4* ikora

[dusty spire]

I don’t have the other heroes lol

[naive ingot]

I know lol

[dusty spire]

But all of them have a weapon

The only weapon I can find in the pool that don’t have a first attached hero

[obtuse chasm]

Thank you 😭 everyone kept trying to explain refactoring to me was getting irritating lol didn’t see that in the bottom, appreciate you

[dusty spire]

Huckleberry and jotuun

So by theory we have a jotuun and a huckleberry user coming

[naive ingot]

Huck is ok with Jolder tbf

[dusty spire]

Unless huckleberry would have been jolders BP

Or sword

[naive ingot]

It is void

[dusty spire]

Void hunter 5* is still missing

Solar titan
And arc warlock for limited

[pulsar coral]

Poor riskrunner

[dusty spire]

And arc titan limited

So if I theorise it could be

Hunter wolf solar -> warlock arc -> void hunter - > solar titan -> arc titan

This would drive me crazy

@naive ingot

[naive ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny-fashion-destiny-guardian-guardians-destiny-game-gif-25356537

[dusty spire]

3 skips

[naive ingot]

Yes, Titan 😂

I skip nobody. Collect

[dusty spire]

Or

So if I theorise it could be

Titan solar -> warlock arc -> void hunter - > hunter solar wolf -> arc titan

That fits with anniversary too

Unless it’s reruns

[naive ingot]

Titan solar be probably Saladin. Arc warlock... Skorri. Void hunter, hmmm need to think on that. Arc titan be Zavala

[dusty spire]

No void hunter style in destiny ?

[naive ingot]

There is but I'm not at home to check lol

[dusty spire]

Ah

[rotund horizon]

AT SOME POINT

[twilit thistle]

No there’s literally an oob under the bridge. So easy I could accidentally do it.

[empty kettle]

The humble anniversary

[thorny frost]

I still say huckleberry is Jolders signature. Partridge doesn’t synergize with her kit as well. Her knock back alone could cause issues with gathering for blast damage.

The weapons I don’t see as having a specific unit they are a signature for (assuming each unit can have 2 signatures at least) are : Jotunn (I don’t know Xuan kit so well to fully ananlyze tho), and the old Perfect (precision damage to low and explosion damage doesn’t synergize with Jaren).

I can make a small argument for Jade rabbit for Umeko depending on if her mark can count as a body shot or not while doing precision damage.

[dusty spire]

I need to know what your exotic pull total was lol

[pulsar coral]

Ning and Riskrunner 💀

[dusty spire]

1000 stages

I do 10 a day

I did 200 one time and got like 2 exotics and was like screw this lol

Ever since in PE burn or nothing 😅

[hidden carbon]

Lately feels like even with PE the drop rate is terrible

[lyric skiff]

Took me forever finally

[twilit thistle]

(That’s just what I found on this phone.)

[lyric skiff]

Damn i didn't do more than 200 was like smashing my head off a wall Xd

Even with shell

[twilit thistle]

Always had to be weapons master. I wanted to at least improve my aim while I did it.

[lyric skiff]

Weapons master on wolf is pretty efficient with spread build tht or shell my go to for runs

but with all the arti reroll mats i need i just pinnacle mostly now

[twilit thistle]

I would usually clear all of it with Borealis. I rarely swapped weapons

[lyric skiff]

I am not tht good with a sniper on mobile 😂

[dusty spire]

U use weapon master with Maru

Definitely a breeze

[cyan tide]

With Ikora it's even easier

Just shoot one or two rockets per stage

[dusty spire]

Ngl arc Maru

Same thing

Door entrance two shots stage done lol

[cyan tide]

Ikora with nimble and the card that increases blast damage radius

Nuke the whole stage lol

[dusty spire]

Im too titan committed, I’ve got the hikora benched

I did enjoy her on the LC

[wide dagger]

Who da next light ?

[hard forge]

Anyone a high level umeko main?

Could you show me ur artifact sets for raiding ?

[rotund flame]

Curious how many exotic artifacts you even got. Probably like 5 with the super low drop rate lol

[lyric skiff]

@twilit thistle

[restive shore]

what are blooming collectlables?

[haughty swallow]

they are fireworks around JSM. they have a chest icon that pops up when you are nearby. I have a guide on reddit if you want to grab all 8.

[wispy maple]

Sus

[half sky]

Anyone know what this about got spammed lmaoo

[twilit thistle]

I have 500. I have had to delete several.

[elder wing]

@vast arch Ban this bot would ya

[vast arch]

In the future, you can react to the message with a 🔨 and the mods will get a ping in case I'm not able to open discord at that time

[red geyser]

[vast arch]

usually the reaction would disappear but I am immune to being reported via the bot

[twilit thistle]

The 4th would be Hawkeye (don't have that)

[hard forge]

Ok hey thanks for that, I basically have the same set except I was using ring of abundance , conversion, inverted, and veil

[acoustic berry]

Happy hump day everyone. Hope everyones doing well ❤️🧡💛

[cyan tide]

Is vulnerability bonus actually worth using? I thought it'd have the same problems as dmg bonus boost

[bold thunder]

@indigo solar @twilit thistle omg

[wide dagger]

What is dat ?

[acoustic berry]

Google it baby gurl

[wide dagger]

Ohhhhh , dat looks more explainable , I thought of something completely different

[acoustic berry]

If it makes u feel any better
... I thought so too until I was i guess educated.

But I still dont get it but I do? Its okay I have a small brain

[devout void]

you all receive ?

[wide dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-nikke-doro-doro-hump-gif-10145284788325505182

[haughty swallow]

yep

[wide dagger]

It was super hard lowky

[acoustic berry]

LMAOOO listennnnn, 😭 😭 this right here. Made my day awh sheeet

[wide dagger]

Dats what I thought of first tbh

[twilit thistle]

"Solar + Vuln will make your Izzy shots do more damage" - taniks

[twilit thistle]

My reaction to knowing we now have to hit 61+ in coop ||😭 ||

[bold thunder]

The knowledge that (in theory at least) coop should be better than solo 😭

It so much harder mechanically though omg

[halcyon moss]

yo can mumu player run on linux?

[rose turret]

Leveling up from 14 seems impossible with only seven minutes to complete a level. 7 and a half 8 minutes sure. Just 7 with basic weapons just seems impossible.

[twilit thistle]

Need more testing. Like I said yesterday, im not even sure if the super weapons are needed. They just increase lag, and are prone to missing

[halcyon moss]

just abuse the daily log ins and farm the blue flowers

[indigo solar]

It's not great but she really doesn't have a good fourth anyways

It's either vuln or super

[bold thunder]

agreed, I'm also not sure what the best starting perk is yet

[rose turret]

Thanks Maui

[halcyon moss]

is wolf ever going to have is ulternate ultimate white suit be usable in game?

[bold thunder]

and all of our wipes yesterday were to mistakes/bugs, not to technical ceilings

[twilit thistle]

If there is anything I can do to carry/boost progress, lmk.

[indigo solar]

I want to try moving the understatement to the L group, having it in the first block makes it start to target ads once the boss passes in higher waves but the L group should consistently target the boss since it's in front

[bitter estuary]

b... balls

[indigo solar]

Also think prudence is better than master, not really time to pick up orbs when you're busy confining enemies

[bold thunder]

Yeah I've been running prudence arc when I can, but I'm still not 100% sure whether it actually does anything

it seems to, but it's difficult to test since it only matters so late into the run

[neat valley]

I think you were able to get it by buying a certain amount of silver In the past

[bitter estuary]

i think wolf will have an alternate frame just like other gacha games, but idk i'm just speculating

[neat valley]

Are we talking about his silver outfit ?

[bold thunder]

you're thinking like this change?

[indigo solar]

Also have we considered not running a ton of rof boosts so the ane can knock out enemies?

Wonder if the stall would be worth it or not

[bold thunder]

you'd lose out on so much dps, idk if it's worth it when we have ikora to stall

I guess it couldn't hurt to try it though

[indigo solar]

I'll do some solo testing first to see what the max rof boosts we can get are

[twilit thistle]

It could be one perk, it could be a combination of perks. I noticed that my boss was going down at the end, once i got the hang of ikora, without me even using superweapons. I think its a good panic button, and 100% would use it over the others if it were reliable (no lag). Issue could also be that we are all doing the exact same thing which is causing that lag tho.

[bold thunder]

my concern with this is that leftover leaking ads from the previous round will distract the understatement when the boss spawns

[bold thunder]

yeah

one possibility might be swapping out arc for SE slowdown?

give us a bit more leniency with the ads if the bosses are dying fine anyway?

I was consistently having trouble with the boss later on though, he was making it up the last ramp every round in the 50s which causes a lot of problems with ad stall

especially when he makes it all the way to the choke

[twilit thistle]

Should we all be focusing on that point at the same time? That's clearly what introduced lag. We could stagger what we do, or something.

[bold thunder]

I mean I'm not sure what's causing the lag tbh

But there's really nothing we can do about it, the ads move at their own pace

You can't really back off and let them do their thing

[bold thunder]

I stopped using stellar at all in the last run and we seemed to lag a bit less, so maybe the volatile was part of it?

[twilit thistle]

Its us. We confine them to a single point, it reminds me of the type of lag I would see in a minecraft mob farm for example.

[bold thunder]

I know it's us I'm just not sure specifically what's contributing

Like if it's debuffs in general, if it's a specific debuff, if it's that the enemies are stacked too much

The thing that makes the most sense to me is a bunch of enemies causing volatile explosions while clumped, so the game has to process 1000+ damage ticks at the same time

But idk

I would start with just no one use stellar at all later on imo, since that's the least important part of the build

---

If we have to somehow figure out a way to either confine less or stagger confines or something, that's going to add a ton of complexity to an already extremely mechanically difficult run :(

[twilit thistle]

Sounds like o(n²) . @indigo solar you are our only hope. Its likely consuming massive amounts of the server's cpu power. Every time a hoof hits them, it has to calculate that for every singe enemy at the same time. Alongside the cluster bombs, time our confines are up, the stacks of scorch, the ane's targeting them. Etc. And its doing this for all 3 of us.

[indigo solar]

Most likely is the volatile. I would say it was a particle issue but if yall are all experiencing lag at the same time, probably not

[bold thunder]

It's lag in the sense that ping spikes (sometimes it causes a fully disconnect for 2-3 seconds at 999)

Not like frame lag

[bold thunder]

The volatile would be significantly more simultaneous hits than every other source combined

I think it's more likely that the game panics due to the number of packets being traded than that the server itself is getting overloaded

If the server is being internally overloaded by even a fairly large number of damage calculations, that's some impressive spaghetti

But if it is just packet count, then exactly simultaneous hits are likely all that matters, so everything except volatile is probably fine

Does beg the question, can we lag the game out with volatile towers lol

[twilit thistle]

Roughly how it would appear (hard to find gifs for it). It feels like we are pushing the server past its limits. Its running for over an hour, and we start stacking everything into one spot, for a very long time. Likely a combination of everything we do.

I dont know for this game, but I know on minecraft, it was Single Thread Performance that would get me. I used to have to overclock my pc to the limit for some of the things I would do. Its 100% going to be a server side cpu issue.

[bitter estuary]

this is bedrock

it runs like crap even though the game runs multithreaded w/o mods

[bold thunder]

Yeah I could see that being the case too, sadly I doubt we'll ever know the actual cause behind the scenes

[bitter estuary]

actually lemme see mobile tests for the game to see how the cpu usage is

[bold thunder]

I do think the best thing to try first though is to just never use stellar and see if getting rid of volatile fixes things

[bitter estuary]

wait what the hell

why is the game using 10~15% of the cpu and putting all the load on the gpu

[bold thunder]

I assume damage/hits are calculated remotely, so it probably wouldn't be a local cpu spike

[bitter estuary]

true

[bold thunder]

That's reasonable for a game like this

[bitter estuary]

that being said it runs on vulkan/moltenvk over metal for both ios and android, it seems

[bold thunder]

Most of the energy intensity is in the form of rendering a high quality 3d scene

A game like this in theory shouldn't need much local cpu

[bitter estuary]

it's really just loading all the precalculated shaders so load is increadibly light

[bold thunder]

There are a lot of other things that go on in the background, but most of the stuff that would be cpu intensive (character ai, collision, etc) happens remotely I think

[twilit thistle]

Find one that isnt 😂

[bitter estuary]

minecraft java still runs better than bedrock w/o mods, that being said go play hytale instead

[bold thunder]

Minecraft in general is just kind of poorly optimized

[twilit thistle]

Havent touched it in a few years. I wouldnt tho I had build something better than hytale, just couldnt get a pc to run it

[bitter estuary]

even post 1.19 it's still true, 1.13 ruined mc optimization

[bold thunder]

Part of it is just an artifact of the games age

[cyan tide]

Meanwhile Warframe can run on a potato

[bitter estuary]

it wasn't about 1.9 combat update, 1.13 ruined a lot of mods, which is why a lot of them are still at 1.12.2

[finite gazelle]

The sanctum and hollvania say no

[opaque granite]

Is there a reason to use the base version of a character after getting their special version.

[finite gazelle]

The rest of the game does run quite smoothly though

[opaque granite]

I wanna play Warframe so bad

Limbo my beloved

[cyan tide]

4* Kabr has rapid fire weapons so there's an argument to use him over 5* Kabr. 5* Ikora is pretty much better in any way so no reason to use 4* unless you like her kit more for some reason

[opaque granite]

Lame brother

[bold thunder]

They're effectively completely different characters - that being said both of the characters that have been re-released as t5s were pretty bad as t4

[cyan tide]

When I see a Limbo main

[opaque granite]

They shouldn't have dropped them as new characters just alternative systems for existing characters.

[bitter estuary]

for kabr, i think both serve different purposes, you can do impact/piercing on that while you can do spread/rapid-fire on the old one

for ikora.... idk, i still use 4* bc her kit is really simple, kill ads to get faster recharge on her skills, which grants you more stacks of the orbs for burst dps, ult does group ads too

while on ikora 5* you get stacks so you can eventually get those laser things, has better aoe coverage and better crowd control , the ult does INSANE amounts of damage but you can't really group them with it so you'd have to use ikora's s2 for it,

[opaque granite]

Oh god no my Weiner!!

[bold thunder]

They're already struggling enough as is for new characters to sell (for some reason), gotta make money somehow

I still don't understand how the part of the game that supports the entire project seems to get so little attention

[bitter estuary]

to put it simply, 4* ikora is very simple and easy to use, but doesn't do a lot of damage

5* does a lot, but her playstyle is more mechanically complex

[opaque granite]

Fun

[bitter estuary]

for kabr it really is just different use cases

[opaque granite]

If you're telling me the difference is one is a simple grenade launcher and the other is the same but complicated. I'm sorry but I'm just going to choose the complicated option.

[bitter estuary]

you'd prefer running 4* on rapid fire/spread and 5* on impact/piercing

[opaque granite]

I want Tan-2

[twilit thistle]

I have heard rumors of a Minecraft beyond 1.12.2, but personally refuse to acknowledge them 🙂

[bitter estuary]

erm it still requires some effort still, like you wouldn't want to use up all 16 stacks of her mini orbs or overfill it so you can maximize her damage output

[bitter estuary]

the moment they abandoned legacy edition i just know its cooked

no 1.16 (as a whole) is not a good update, lets move on from the overwhelming hype it got

[twilit thistle]

I modded it into 1.12.2.

[bitter estuary]

balls

[opaque granite]

Nah she's starting to sound worth it

[bitter estuary]

ikora 4* was always good even when maru released

[summer ledge]

Well... that was a jump and a half. Original roll was 428.

[summer ledge]

You just need to meet me a good one sometime.

[bold thunder]

It makes me sad how dead a lot of the old servers are :(

Anything that didn't update seems to have basically no playerbase anymore

[summer ledge]

Minecraft just seems like it has lost a lot of its innocence, if that makes any sense. The game is so complicated now that it feels almost like something new. I remember when it ended at Ender Dragon, no elytra, and diamond gear that you couldn't reroll that cost 30 levels instead of 3. No enchanted books, anvils, or grindstones. Just had to be happy with what you got.

Now we have gear that is impossible to lose and makes you practically immortal, an item that literally stops you from dying that is easy to farm massive amounts of, the ability to fly in survival mode with fireworks or Riptide, and so many new systems and additions that it almost feels hard to pick up for your two week phase.

Redstone keeps working differently with every patch somehow, too, and they don't even touch it half the time outside of a new item or two.

[bold thunder]

To be fair, that's kind of the reason they have all of the versions in the launcher

[bitter estuary]

it lost it's "sandbox" and feels more like an rpg more than ever

[bold thunder]

If you don't like the new stuff you don't really have to play it

If anything I wish more games made something like that that easily accessible

[summer ledge]

It's interesting to see it for the first bit, and then people figure out how to kill the strongest mob in the game in one hit with a wooden spear in the first 48 hours.

I do like the idea of combat branching out more, but the tuning on that one seems a bit... much?

[bitter estuary]

was the same issue with tridents lmao

[oblique helm]

If the game wants me to gain 3 silver tokens to upgrade my acclaim and im waiting for jaren re-run, what should i do?

[rough sedge]

Ball on a budget, I would get your next top 3 bronze just barely up to silver and wait there. We have no guarantees of a Jaren rerelease

[bold thunder]

Your best bet is probably to pick a character that shares weapons/element with a character you're already investing into

You'll at least be able to save on leveling weapons and/or artifacts

[oblique helm]

Alright then, I wanted to save resources but looks there are no promises made yet

[lusty pelican]

I assume that you are new, but silver doesn't take a lot of resources unless you just started. By the time jaren reruns you can easily have enough materials to fully max him even if you silver people now

(we have no idea if/when they will start releasing old characters, and jaren won't be one of the first to come back)

[twilit thistle]

Corta: Unplayable.

ppl cannot swing the sword. Sword=new left/right

[bitter estuary]

crota is rlly buggy atm

sad no patch until march 5th

me thinking it was this week but it was next week

worse, we're still a month away from s4

[twilit thistle]

I think it was the biggest reason ppl started quitting. In s1 and s2 there were players that helped the other players get thru those activites. I crashed out over the real raid, and alot of people did the same. Now, its letting in players that are 45200k. Now I understand that now we actually have to run it with them, but come on. That should be 55k.

I dont mind carrying during morgrans bc i have control over the encounters. The chalice is not present in morgrans. Ontop of that crota is just so buggy. If anything, this all needs to be merged into a single activity. Random playlist, pick what mods u want to get out of it.

[bitter estuary]

crota w/ randoms so bad ppl have been requesting duos/trios/quads in dms (not kidding)

[slow sable]

About 20-25 exotic artifacts in total

[leaden osprey]

2 weeks without updates even notes

The final time is coming

[dusty spire]

Oh nice

[dusty spire]

It’s fine it’s just a moments break

[leaden osprey]

Lol

[dusty spire]

I downloaded rainbow 6 mobile it’s ok for part time but again nothings enough to pull me away from DR

It’s got to much potential

[slow sable]

Have you try warframe?

[dusty spire]

Plus I really like it

[dusty spire]

Yup didn’t hold me either

Just not my style

[slow sable]

Oh i been playing that game for 10 years lol takr breaks and come back to it

[dusty spire]

Don’t get me wrong it’s looks and plays good for a mobile game just the theme don’t kick with me

[twilit thistle]

yeah its cursed. Needs to be a playlist. Needs to be a part of gauntlent onslaught. ALL needs to be a playlist. If u want to do them individually, bring your own fireteam.

[dusty spire]

It would be Destiny or mass effect for me

Like the sci fi gatcha

[slow sable]

Make sense hopefully you find the right game to distract u a bit from DR

[dusty spire]

And based on an already released ip

So much assets already for us

[raw glade]

Hope everyone here is doing well. Been a while since I've actually played. Am I the only one who might be skipping calamity and expanse for the first time?

Not sure I have any motivation to touch this

[twilit thistle]

Its chaos but I missed you 🥺

[dusty spire]

And the raid is the longest co operative fun I’ve had on mobile

[empty kettle]

Slowly reaching that point

[dusty spire]

Really broke the average play time

[raw glade]

🙁

[raw glade]

❤️

[slow sable]

I hope that the “real crota” is the full raid that be cool

[dusty spire]

It’s just a break time

[leaden osprey]

It has so much potential since day 1 but now no potential could save this game

[raw glade]

I hate the idea of leaving so many mats and leaves on the table

[dusty spire]

Only thing I’d say is atleast acquire minimal attendance so you keep up with resources and the minimum

Well the game is quite forgiving

I think the daily quests for Lumi stash up for 3 days

So in theory you can break up to 3 days without reducing what you get for attending

Not here to encourage players to leave unless they are dooming and speaking about other games in our community discord

But do take a break and come back

[bitter estuary]

The amount of inv i get on a daily basis is just sad bc i know these ppl just wanna clear these triumphs or grind the mode for mats

[dusty spire]

Need a event a week before crota ends

[raw glade]

How much longer do you guys think service will last

[dusty spire]

That incentives players to run with each other for the last week

[raw glade]

I can't imagine they're making more than even 100k per month now

[dusty spire]

Easily 2 years

[twilit thistle]

I think its chaos for the newlights right now, i still have hope . There are actually alot of them bc of ikora. wish they had advertised that, youd be shocked. We are bleeding high end players on a day to day basis tho gotta stop that.

[dusty spire]

Works in waves

And this is still a potential player puller on the marketplace

[bold thunder]

I've kind of stepped back from the material grind and just started playing individual modes/activities that I enjoy

[dusty spire]

Still players looking around for new games to play

Just not touched DR yet

[bold thunder]

It's been a while since I've bothered to do calamity or expanse personally

[dusty spire]

I’m seeing new lights all the time

[raw glade]

the only two things worth doing, but take a few hours >_<

[bold thunder]

Same, it's interesting

[raw glade]

Maybe I'll do ONE calamity run, and just expanse 21-30.

[dusty spire]

And I don’t know where they are coming from

[bold thunder]

Eh, I don't enjoy them anymore, and I don't personally value doing activities I don't enjoy just for materials

[raw glade]

the leaves thoughhhhhh, the leavessssss

[dusty spire]

But today I counted 10 in haven and a ton of them in the event areas world map

[bold thunder]

It makes the game feel a little too much like a job for me

[dusty spire]

I want a revamped cordon

Really enjoyed it

[raw glade]

I didn't even try Cordon

seemed boring

[dusty spire]

Needs a shop where we get coins from completing the stages and buy modifiers

[bold thunder]

When I was making my bulwark alts I had to run through the new light missions first to unlock it

And I was really surprised at how fast the queue times were for beginner content

[dusty spire]

And then can buy more copy’s to fuse to better upgraded versions like the tower defence

[bold thunder]

I even had real people joining for legacy which is wild

[dusty spire]

Also Rev through play store is slightly not the best metric to just go by

Players buy outside the play store

[bold thunder]

Yeah something like this to make cordon actually feel like a distinct gamemode would be nice

[dusty spire]

As it’s cheaper and or more access outside of Apple Google

[bold thunder]

I'm still a little salty at the portrayal of it as some sort of attritiony survival activity

[dusty spire]

Yup

[twilit thistle]

Tbh I think netease could go the "it was in open beta, big misunderstanding" route, or they could sell it, even work closer to bungie. Its too soon to tell what the future will hold for it. I dont even think netease has a plan for the future yet. Not one thats set in stone.

[dusty spire]

Cordon sounded like a wave based game mode

[bitter estuary]

Guaranteed/boosted mythic/exotic mod drops and added mobius clusters w/ pe idk

[dusty spire]

Similar to the world area activitie where you defend the crate

Red Sea

[bold thunder]

I imagine this is something that is mostly done by whales (though idk how much of a % of revenue that makes up)

[dusty spire]

That’s what I thought we was getting lol

[raw glade]

isn't that the plan? I believe they refer to this as a beta in China

[bold thunder]

I really can't imagine the average casual player going to an outside site to buy $20 of silver

[dusty spire]

Would make up some part imo especially players in the eastern regions

[raw glade]

The only way it works is if they launch the game on consoles and PC when it's out of beta.

[dusty spire]

As they adapted to outside crediting services

[leaden osprey]

Chinese server is even more dead lmfao even with it coming after global

[dusty spire]

Will definitely open up more traction

[bold thunder]

This seems very unlikely given competition with the mainline series

Especially if rumors of D3 being in early production are true

[raw glade]

Then this game is 100% dead soon

Straight up, I might try to refund all of the purchases I've made lol

[bold thunder]

I imagine the reason the game was mobile exclusive was at least partially due to an exclusivity deal with Bungie

[leaden osprey]

Yes I would like to see that

[dusty spire]

I think they are going for a committed player base

That they can maintain over a period of time

[raw glade]

Your optimism isn't really rooted in anything other than your own love of this game. This game is not profitable man 🙁

[dusty spire]

Also neteas in general saw lesser rev Q4 but not so much so it’s worrying

[leaden osprey]

Hahhahaha

[dusty spire]

It’s because I’m invested so I read more than just the consumer side of things

I get dividends

[bold thunder]

Not profitable including startup costs/investment (IP purchase, initial dev, etc)? Or not profitable relative to maintainenance costs

[dusty spire]

So I’ve got risks

And from what I can see this don’t look like a drop from the stratergy

[raw glade]

All of it. Maint and new content costs, the amount of work they put into making this. The budget was clearly huge.

[dusty spire]

Only if it’s causes alarming losses

[bold thunder]

For a large studio project, startup costs are rarely a part of a decision on the lifespan of a live service game, gacha or not

[dusty spire]

What I do know is they have cut down the workforce and have been utilising ai….

[bold thunder]

You don't kill a project because it lost you money, you kill it because it's currently losing you money

[raw glade]

We know we're cooked when we're counting on AI to salvage costs.

[dusty spire]

Well you lose money the moment you do the deal

[bold thunder]

Welcome to netease, they do that a lot 🤷

[dusty spire]

I feel this game is more a strategic move if anything lol

Just to say they built on a destiny ip

[bold thunder]

I mean it was definitely a money grab

[dusty spire]

Well they jumped on marvel quick

lol

[bold thunder]

They started production around TFS, which was very high in terms of user engagement

[indigo solar]

Lightfall*

[leaden osprey]

What netease did with a previous game was release new content this month close in the after month

[dusty spire]

Only one right now that gets attention is destiny and blazeblue

[indigo solar]

Wait dead cells is on mobile?

[dusty spire]

Nothing beats snakes

[dusty spire]

Yes…and his in blazeblue entropy …

Best F2P hero model imo

[bitter estuary]

a lot indies are on mobile lol

[dusty spire]

Just pay for hero once

[indigo solar]

Um, no?

The vast majority of games are pc or console exclusive

What

[twilit thistle]

Yea thats where all the money is going right now. I researched this alot. Its the same story with destiny itself, and you can tell this is 100% centered around marathon and china's reception. I dont see why they would EOS tho.

[bitter estuary]

playdigious has a lot of games on mobile, same can be said with thqnordiq

maybe it's more like "a lot" not "most", sorry about that

i could've reworded that better

[dusty spire]

Ain’t the CN sorta getting with it now?

[bitter estuary]

i'll edit that message to be more precise

[dusty spire]

I’ve seen a few streams where they look interested but it’s only a few players I’ve watched

So I don’t know the general region response

[leaden osprey]

Like I said this game is MORE DEAD in China

[bitter estuary]

because there's not a lot of marketing over there?

if you check chinese t a p t a p and bilibili there's like little to none

and cc's aren't getting a lot of views

[leaden osprey]

Bc this game is not UPDATING and LISTENING players advices

Have u ever seen another gacha game releasing new characters and new content like this slow ?

Its Destiny to be dead from month 2

Destiny lol

[bold thunder]

Honey, we can see your messages whether they're on caps or not

[leaden osprey]

No one is going to sit hiere play same sheeeeee over and over again when other good games keep updating new contents

[leaden osprey]

Glad to know that

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-gif-4825138080902567122

we will be getting content in s4 surely the game will be alive again

[heady obsidian]

gulp..

i just hope they do smth other than seasons bc the game really needs big updates to keep it alive

like can we get a big update after S4 or something. like, yk, maybe Warmind or Rise of Iron sized or something in terms of content, at least for what's possible on mobile

[celest robin]

🤔

[heady obsidian]

delete this absolute AI slop rn

you are a disgrace to cayde

[celest robin]

Yes sir. I’ve deleted destiny rising as you’ve requested.

[heady obsidian]

okay that works too

[twilit thistle]

To be blunt, its not gonna see 2028 if it continues down this path. Thats still some time tho. What we are getting right now are 100% textbook things that games do in the "Death Spiral". Recycle content, skeleton crews, no ads. Its going to take more than just content. A turnaround requires a massive 2.0 overhaul. It needs to be fun. I could go on about this. || You know its bad when players complain that its monetization is too aggressive bc of how little it offers. Character designs. Touch control issues. replacing the custom guardian with pre-set hero characters. Dont even get me started on the power leaderboards||

[bitter estuary]

true

it feels very restrictive and way too grindy at times

why all shaders for present fleet sucks balls but this

[twilit thistle]

The fact that google's gemini knows more about this now than I did is bad. It didnt even reference anything from me, it just links reddit

[bitter estuary]

why isnt this fully pink

[twilit thistle]

This game offers nothing for whales.

Thats the first thing I found out, is that it just speeds up your progress. It was roughtly half the time that it would be for a free player. I calculated that for power, and for the time to upgrade an exotic weapon to max. (@indigo solar feel free to correct me if i am wrong)

[bitter estuary]

also wow expanse 40 spread so hard but i completed it

i kept dying on 40 , 31~39 was a breeze

[twilit thistle]

(u can just stand on the ramp in the back and beat it. I used the lgl)

Id rather have the update delayed at this point, and have an updated roadmap. More time would mean better quality, and its going to take alot to turn it around.

[wispy wolf]

is huckleberry worth it?

[bitter estuary]

on jolder? i think it's the better pick over the patridge sky

[wispy wolf]

I was thinking that, yeah

was gonna try to grab the catalyst from the black market

[bitter estuary]

fair, i dont wanna rerun it

not worth burning out

[candid phoenix]

just use the legendary campaign materials for crafting catalysts, you get 1 caty a week

[twilit thistle]

Should be to max in 2 weeks if i remember correctly.

[candid phoenix]

i wasted a ton of black market coins on catalysts and now i have like 1.7k of the stupid catalyst material

[wispy wolf]

Noted

[candid phoenix]

if ur not going for the battlepass weapon, bm tokens are probably best used on the photons. Those things are rarer than an exotic to get

[wispy wolf]

I can pick a mythic after drawing a million times??? Im free 😭

I've wanted Ning Fey for so long since doing his trial quest

[oblique helm]

I got 57k(53k earlier) ning fei while trying to understand artifact attribute value and spending all of my artifical dust lol

[twilit thistle]

Imagine if they listened to me and added limited characters in, and that was your choice for one of them. (you would have had ning within 60, and would now be picking between )

[wispy wolf]

I also really want Gwynn

🙏

[twilit thistle]

Unobtanium now, despite clearly being desired. It would cost 3x more, but people would still buy those additional copies.

[oblique helm]

How can you improve attribute value to be able to use exotic artifact abilities? I need 1.5k I have 960 on

[pure portal]

You guys think maybe they’ll bring back banners for 1 year anniversary? Or possibly with that huge witness update coming out?

Also, does anyone know the release date of the big update for rising? I’m talking about the one we got the trailer for with the witness and new story.

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar i dont know how to answer this.

[oblique helm]

Artifact attribute value

You need a certain number to be able to use exotic abilites

[indigo solar]

Exotic artifacts don't have special abilities, they just have four random attributes instead of three. You can increase the strength of attributes by refactoring your artifacts

[oblique helm]

I did that and the best I could get was 1000

Three mythics and 1 exotic

[indigo solar]

Yeah that's just the artifact effect. You don't need to hit a certain threshold to unlock it, increasing your attribute value just increases the strength. The reason you can't activate it is because it only works on characters with Spread weapons, and Ning only has Rapid-Fire weapons

[oblique helm]

Why do they put it for ning fei 🙏🙏🙏 cant get more confusing than this

[indigo solar]

All characters share artifacts

Just equip a different one for him

Bellicose planetesimal is good

[oblique helm]

The failed message should be different though

It told me to increase attribute value

[indigo solar]

No? It says "this character does not have a Spread weapon" or something similar

[oblique helm]

Why would they share the same one for this

[indigo solar]

Every character can equip any artifact you own, but that doesn't mean every artifact works on every character

[oblique helm]

Says This character doesnt meet the reqs when I click it says The sum of the equipment's attribute level determine its power

[oblique helm]

So, like exotic artifact have abilities that only work for its respective shinkas

[twilit thistle]

Should be on the roadmap. Personally I am pushing for that to be delayed as the game needs an overhaul. Here is this cursed image for recommended umeko builds. There are so many things wrong, that personally upset us on a daily basis, that this server could likely pass around a list, and come up with a better overhaul plan than netease can. Taniks is cracked, (for example).

[indigo solar]

"The sum of the equipment's attribute level determines its power" isn't the error message

[indigo solar]

No

[oblique helm]

So what exactly the Cannot take effect mean? The whole artifact wont work?

[indigo solar]

The only differences between mythic and exotic artifacts are that mythics have three attributes while exotics have four, and exotics must be equipped to a character of a certain element

[indigo solar]

Correct

That artifact only works on characters with spread weapons

[oblique helm]

So, putting that on my ning fei is just a waste of a slot, right?

[indigo solar]

Yes

[oblique helm]

Well we learn something everyday

There should be a thread that answers these questions tbh

Like ask a question, have it answered by someone and leave it there for other people to benefit from

[rose turret]

Look up a pack called twistedbliss. I am the creator

I’m in game right now

[twilit thistle]

You can search the question, and just look for taniks. Or @ taniks. Its all memorized.

[oblique helm]

I do before asking, but a single keyword messes it up

[rose turret]

I’m in haven in the archives

[solar ermine]

So the main story still say to be continued is the another out yet

[cyan tide]

Next season

[obsidian saddle]

Hi

I have a bug where my screen flashes continuously

Has anyone else encountered that?

[signal spade]

its the emulator being poop not destiny

just restart mumu usually fixes it

[obsidian saddle]

I'm playing on mobile

[signal spade]

thats weird i get it in non rising on mumu all the time

maybe different issue

[cyan tide]

Have you tried using lower graphics? Could be that your device isn't good enough for max settings
If that doesn't work try repairing

[glass rock]

Asking for a friend….totally not me haha at what point will I be in 40-50k power? I wanna play with my friends but they are all 60k

I’m only 20k

[bitter estuary]

after you finish the story

[vast arch]

@twilit thistle wya

[surreal stirrup]

is Hairkora any good?

[twilit thistle]

I was showering. What do u need? The answer is yes.

[bitter estuary]

yes

[twilit thistle]

Hairkora is helhest levels of op.

[oak temple]

So glad I t5-ed her 😭

[jagged osprey]

HairIkora genuinely top 3 enjoyable character

[tight talon]

Without us

[tired mulch]

Borealis or Izanagi for umeko?

[oak kettle]

After getting her T6 I can agree

She’s pretty damn solid if you just use her as intended but with t6 she’s absolutely ridiculous if you just stuff your face against a boss and spam her lasers

[oak kettle]

Izanagi is strictly the better pick, however given you’re using Umeko and don’t have any indication that it’s because you want to main her I’m assuming it’s because you’re still early game

In which case Borealis would be better as it’ll give you a lot more flexibility in what you can bring Umeko to, allowing you to build just a single character now while you work on getting better ones to build

[twilit thistle]

Depends on your level and situation. If you truly need coverage of all go all. If not, izi first borealis second. The next one you want is the one you dont go with first 🙂 on both my accounts i have both maxed.

[oak kettle]

This is the route i took with Tan way back when

Borealis is a low investment option that pays out immediately by reducing your need to spread your investment around at a time where upgrade materials are scarce. It’s the bridge option that lets you more easily get into low tier endgame modes to reap their rewards early, no matter what enemies you may face, so that you can more quickly build up the more wanted characters when you get one

Going with Izanagi is, to me, a statement that you intend to use Umeko or Tan for a good long while, as it’s the option you’d pick when you don’t need the flexibility offered by borealis anymore, so if you don’t intend to, don’t pick it

[inland prism]

Is there a perk or mod for bow that has an explosive tip yet?

[chrome kettle]

don't think so

Waiting for re-run of gwynn, estela and helhest

[half sky]

😂😂

[bitter estuary]

why is she using a sword

[hollow scroll]

Is kabr the resolute good

[bold thunder]

Eh he's kind of middle of the road

[hollow scroll]

Thx

[bold thunder]

Definitely usable, but there's nothing he's really the best at

[uneven otter]

I haven’t played this game in months, heard they’re adding a new campaign and new PvE region this next season, I have a fully upgraded Tan-2 and an Estella with I think 3 of her skills, are either of them good enough still?

[bitter estuary]

not really

like jolder/maru, he has great defensive capabilities but you do less damage overall compared to lets say ning fei/ikora 5*

[lapis swallow]

No

[wise siren]

Hope everyone is having a good week

[rare wigeon]

I got the new Ikora unit earlier

She's fun tho I havent actually done the trial so im still confused on how she works

[open mason]

is there no maintenance today?

[rare wigeon]

🤷🏻‍♂️

WHY IS GHOST BLEEDING NOOOOO

These are umazing

[open mason]

it usually thursday

last week no maintenance

[rare wigeon]

Maybe later then

[sharp talon]

weekly maintenance resumes march 5th

[bitter estuary]

she's great

[empty kettle]

https://discord.com/channels/1267806213656023071/1268048405997944872

[lapis swallow]

Expanse and Cal Ops resets later

Tomorrow is Morgran

[open mason]

oh I see, thanks

[sharp talon]

the emblem advertised is different to the one we got?

[wraith scaffold]

holy... i hadnt seen this logo in a hot min... still have it on my mumu emulator

[bitter estuary]

absolute cinema

i was that close to crashing out but wow 2 ikoras refusing to switch

[grand swift]

Finally the itch to actually be active in this game hit me

A little annoying that I can't emulate it on PC at the moment but I could get a Bluetooth controller

[bitter estuary]

im using an ipad with controller so that should be fine lol

[grand swift]

Tryna find something decent that isn't Temu or over $50 is harder then expected

[bitter estuary]

isn't temu
gl

[rare wigeon]

frfr

i got her and Tan-2 both today

[upper bronze]

Maintenance Notice!

The Destiny: Rising servers will be brought offline for scheduled maintenance on <t:1766055600> in your timezone.

During this time, the Destiny: Rising server will be down, and Lightbearers will be unable to log in to the game. Please plan your game time accordingly.

We anticipate the downtime to last up to 3 hours and will keep you posted on any unexpected delays."

[open wedge]

I see that Netease has discovered how to travel through time. They made some improvements on December 18, 2025. I wonder how the butterfly effect has affected us 😑

[lapis swallow]

Game so dead Discord bot announces maintenance from 3 months ago 🥀

[weak ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[tight talon]

Probably the work of mods that they keep offputting cause no changes have happened since that date

who's gonna draft a new message every time for minor changes

[weak ginkgo]

They better release someone like cayde in S4...

[spiral shell]

NetEase rugpull soon, are yall prepared? lmao

[pulsar coral]

Takes two seconds to change a date 📅

[uneven zinc]

This game is dying

[tight talon]

And they don't care to stop the notif from happening when next one is scheduled from Mar 5

[naive ingot]

Eh could be worse. Ark Survival Ascended just done an update and it's broke game saves...

Back to chaos for refactors....

[lapis swallow]

Let's be real, the only funniest part is whales spending a lot on this game for Netease to EOS this

If they ever attempt to do refunds, good luck

[elder wing]

No eos… relax

[spiral shell]

none yet

NetEase mobile game typically EoS in 4 or 5 years

[pulsar coral]

What’s the bulwark one?

[sharp talon]

weekly rewards in 3 player normal

[hearty reef]

Second Gilded Omenwalker on NA, nice. Not as many people kept up with bounties as I thought lol.

[round goblet]

How do I recruit for fireteam in this server? I need help with ranking up cal ops 😩

[dusty spire]

The dooming here is insane lol

[dusty spire]

Yes he is

[hollow scroll]

Thx

[empty kettle]

It comes with the destiny ip

[elder wing]

Not sure why they keep saying that bruh… dmn

[elder wing]

What server and what rank are you?

[round goblet]

Emea, exp1

[elder wing]

There’s couple servers do helps if you want you can join and ask there

[round goblet]

Sounds gd, send link?

[elder wing]

Send

[sharp talon]

finally t6 yay

[naive ingot]

I'm 1 away from T6 haikora

[elder wing]

Dmn lol I assume you won’t pull for wolf 🤣

[sharp talon]

im gonna be mad if you have to pull them

[elder wing]

Ngl that might be the case… imagine cayde lol

[haughty swallow]

3 person normal. the 3 weekly rewards

[pulsar coral]

Be happy for the guy

[pulsar coral]

I’m t2 🥲

[sharp talon]

i hope you get lucky later 😄

[livid sable]

new expanse wow arc piercing whod have guessed 😂

[unique void]

anyone want to help me with the bullwark for the seal, been trying in lfg and no luck lol

[elder wing]

Definitely. Wish him the best

[pulsar coral]

I’ll get t3 for sure and crystal for t4. If I get very lucky pulling for t3 then maybe t5 lol. I’ll have t6 in the future with standard/ crystals

[cyan tide]

I really wish I hadn't picked Ning T1 with the standard selector
I don't even use him

That could've been one more Ikora talent 😔

[sharp talon]

this cycle's arc expanse boss is obnoxious on jaren and my internet keeps cutting out smh

[elder wing]

@sharp talon how may pulls for ikora in total?

[sharp talon]

ill check now

[sharp talon]

281

[frank plinth]

No need to, if we spend it's because we can afford to even if it gets lost. So whatever, we pay you enjoy, not ur money so don't get worried lol

[pulsar coral]

This is why I don’t have her t6 lol. Her tt is better than Kabr but oh well

[pulsar coral]

Where can you find this??

[sharp talon]

banner > details (bottom left) > draw history

[pulsar coral]

145 pulls for t2 Ikora 💀

[pulsar coral]

330 on this Kabr for only t5. I used mythic choice on t6 🥲

[sharp talon]

oh damn thats very unlucky

for kabr

[rotund flame]

Same, feels like a good place to stop for talents anyway. Going to save in case helhest comes back

[pulsar coral]

230 pulls for t5 Jaren and I used the bundle crystal thing for t6 lol

[sharp talon]

oh you got lucky on jaren XD it took me 346 on that

[pulsar coral]

As someone said earlier, I think the “luck” balances out overtime lol

the more you spend, the longer it will take to pull, they know you’ll drop 500$ to t6 someone so why give it to you in 100 pulls lol

[pulsar coral]

Based on that logic f2p players should all have t6!

they don’t get enough pulls for it, but i have a f2p account and have got everyone that has dropped since i started it well before 60 pulls

i know people who t6 everyone, they also spend 500$ on them and takes almost to pitty every time, i stopped spending and got t6 jaren within 100, and then t4 kabr around 60, only got a t3 ikora but that was strictly free pulls and 20 le

[dusty spire]

Hikora is great but definitely a one hit wonder

Be carful 🪝

Be resourceful and only grab if needed

Don’t chase other players lol

T0-1collector
T2 entry potential
T4 mid potential
T6 max potential

Don’t bottle yourselves out from any new introductions, my advice is to hoard up until the last days and wait for the sneak peeks

If the sneak peeks don’t fit what you want go all out as your getting ready to skip

But last thing you want to do is be resources out coming into an expansion ……

[elder wing]

Dmnnn bro is that like 30K leavs dmn

[sharp talon]

i think i had 23k when i started pulling and some limited boats. 3.6k just today. i had a lot of fortuna crystals as well

[dusty spire]

Patience rewards progress over time

Pool

Only pull titans 😂😬

[sharp talon]

even with a bad ikora build and disconnects clearing void expanse 40 with ikora is so much easier than wolf XD

[spiral shell]

ah look at that the very same people who complain about Destiny 2 being 60 USD a year dropping 300+ per banner

[thorny frost]

I call my spending “coffee money” I don’t spend more then my wife does on coffee, typically less. And I don’t have anything else that would take its place. We all spending on fleeting enjoyment, to each their own on how they do that.

[shut surge]

aw man, it seems that Estella is just not available anymore? I started playing this week so if she was a past event then i guess i'm just screwed

Hopefully she's put back on rotation eventually

[naive ingot]

Only pull for Warlocks....unless I collect 😂

[tight talon]

Baby's first casino

[indigo solar]

Even 5 people isn't nearly a big enough sample size, that's well within the realm of expected behaviour

If they actually had dynamic odds like that it would be severely illegal

[signal spade]

i went to pity on t0 and t1 ikora then hit 3x in 28 pulls

rng gonna rng

i guess technically it was closer to 50 if you count the first pull starting at 0

still wildly lucky

[cyan tide]

I think I did about 120 pulls to get T3 Ikora
With that same amount of pulls I only got T1 Helhest

[twilit thistle]

I think it’s actually just a bad rng system.

[stark forge]

is sweet business or partridge better for finnala chat

[bold thunder]

It's just a weighted system that skews the median high so that sometimes you get that flash of dopamine from a lucky draw

Pretty common casino psychology trick

But they give us the odds in game, and like Taniks said, in most places if they provide odds they have to be accurate

[half sky]

At least it's guaranteed every 60 pull. In some gacha games you go up to 90 pulls just to lose 50/50

[thorny frost]

A little ironically too, T0 pull on all units can also be for competitive players. With world first being fair play (and the only pure PvP mode not including talents). Collecting all units can give a competitive edge in some cases in this game, vs saving.

It all depends on how someone wants to enjoy the game in the end.

[dusty spire]

Completely agree

Hence why I say

T0-1collector
T2 entry potential
T4 mid potential
T6 max potential

But ultimately don’t treat the game like the stock market

lol fomo is long

[gritty rune]

World first happens so infrequently that your older characters are probably powercrepy between them

[dusty spire]

I picked titans as focus pills because I generally like the play style and I don’t want to buy into every character

But I think they will work on the quality of heroes through further upgrade potentials later

[gritty rune]

Competing is mostly CO and expanse ranks