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[twilit thistle]

The main one is that nimble veil slot 1, shield overshield defense healing. Thats the big god roll we discovered. Nobody knew it before then, bc my alt discovered it on accident.

[keen cave]

Game became so boring that we started to discuss Tan-2 builds 😄

What's next? Gwynn?

[indigo solar]

Testing shows calming is additive with the +150% damage from Izzy, meaning a lv 5 calming would only be an 18.4% damage boost

[south cargo]

ah

[indigo solar]

Why not elemental??

Should be elemental over healing

[bold thunder]

I think the meta for gwynn is concerto + a shotgun that doesn't exist yet that actually has good perks

[south cargo]

thats bad, guess i was playing with a nerfed umeko and still got the best umeko time

[twilit thistle]

? bc ring of abundance is 48%, and healing is 60%?

[indigo solar]

Okay but you're not comparing healing and abundance, you don't choose between those two

[bold thunder]

I think calming is more damage for TL than fury isn't it?

[indigo solar]

It's between healing and other attributes

Abundance is an artifact effect

[bold thunder]

so for things like expanse where you use your primary a lot it may make more sense

[indigo solar]

Umeko doesn't necessarily need healing boosts bc she can safely heal to max while invis

[south cargo]

yeah i use unrelenting ground and evolution

[twilit thistle]

I can side by side with my alt later, i dont think she would get full overshield without it

[indigo solar]

Elemental also gives an effective 32% healing boost on top of 32% more max hp

[signal spade]

Healing boost is sick because of the sub proc on it imo

Actual stat not that crazy

[twilit thistle]

wat?

esplain

[indigo solar]

24% DR is equivalent to 32% more HP, and every 1 HP healed is equivalent to healing 1.32 HP

[indigo solar]

Think you're thinking of recov boost

Healing boost just gives you minor healing over time when your health gets low

[signal spade]

Nah healing is the low health hp regen proc

[indigo solar]

36% hp every 40 seconds

[signal spade]

Yea that is pretty solid for anything that doesn't one tap you

[indigo solar]

Cooldown neuters it

Recov boost much better

[twilit thistle]

She has 42% for 3s already, 21.6% overall with defense.

[indigo solar]

DR doesn't get weaker the more you add

[twilit thistle]

yea but how much do you need before it gets into overkill territory.

[signal spade]

I run abundant /upright on most of my characters out of laziness with ele def health healing so I'm just super tanky if I ever get to low hp

[indigo solar]

No such thing

More DR means you need less healing

And also prevents more one taps

[lone talon]

Completely mind-blown that strategy actually worked. And here I am running around like a f****** mad man, with 75K Jaren, running Hobo's, Musq's and all kinds of other random towers.

[bold thunder]

glad it helped :)

[signal spade]

Tooltips are fake too it's 6 percent per second times 1.5 because of the stat itself I presume

[lone talon]

Haven't done it yet, but never thought to load up on hoof and anesthesia only.

But I get the picture

[signal spade]

Bulwark kinda dropped the ball when they made only one tower that does any single target and then also made it do so much damage it could effectively aoe

[bold thunder]

yeah ^

doing anything other than anesthesia + buffs sadly can't really keep up with boss health very well

[stiff breach]

Got t1 ikora i have 160 summons saved for whenever they decide to rerun HH

[cobalt beacon]

just t6 ikora

[signal spade]

Just hit ikora pulls back to back three times in a row and you're good

[cobalt beacon]

helhest rerun isnt for a while

[twilit thistle]

Um. From tests. um. Have u read voidstep? Gonna need advice on the methadology to test this one. Note that it is hitting 100% and going alot longer bc of overshield, which is complicating this.

[stiff breach]

Is t6 worth if I have t6 jaren for my dps content?

[twilit thistle]

160? I think i got t6 for less than that. (Including the free ones into the total)

[cobalt beacon]

t6 is worth it dont wait for a hh rerun tbh shes boring ash to play

[signal spade]

Helhest the least enjoyable character to actually press buttons on

[south cargo]

yeah t6 it so you can do 1 of the 2 activities slightly faster

[cobalt beacon]

i will never get t6 hh my jaren does the same stuff but fun

[golden spade]

That's the thing with the game. Is i wanted to build my umeko but I keep using helhest cause its easier and I provide heavy to the team. Healing, speed boost, easy dps and aim assist when salvo. Just overpowered

[bold thunder]

that's generalizing a fairly long discussion to make an unrelated point

but yes I agree helhest is op and problematic for the health of the game

fallen is so much more annoying for bulwark

[sharp talon]

it will be a lot easier to t6 ikora than hh rerun i think depending on ur situation though

[twilit thistle]

Idk about tan but i know umkeo does 3-4x less dmg than HH.

[bold thunder]

I really don't want to sit here and confine vandals for 40 waves just to see if it's going to be possible

[bold thunder]

back when I ran solo isaakis, in the 10s ish dps phase, my testing seemed to show that tan out dpsed helhest by enough to be meaningful (I think it was like 10% or so)

but that was a while ago, with lots of changes between then and now

and it's very possible my data collection back then was flawed

there's no way umeko does 3-4x less though in the context we were talking about (controlled 10s burst against a single stationary target)

[twilit thistle]

The stats were using 2x HH and each char. Only issue is that ning (and likely jaren) can come far closer to hitting those numbers in the same situation (ning almost passed it). Nerfing her ability to print off heavy ammo is top priority for the nerf

[bold thunder]

at worst it would be like half damage

[twilit thistle]

The meta is HH HH and some other char.

[bold thunder]

I mean I think multiple things need to be nerfed tbh, if you took any specific part of her kit out she would still be meta

but I don't think that will happen, so I think the next best thing is to just power creep characters until the meta is in line with her

The fact that they didn't do that with maru, jaren, or kabr is a little concerning, but at least ikora seems to kind of be a step in the right direction

[twilit thistle]

yea its better in the meantime to actually buff, bc some char cannot come close to those numbers even with infinite heavy

Im just using morgans to eyeball it, estella for example defiantly needs a buff.

Most of the dmg in morgrans is on the last stages, bc the enemies are just so strong. The fact that a ning was within 100k of matching the best HH i ran with is insane tho lol

[stiff breach]

There we go my 3rd t6 character lol

[cobalt beacon]

goat

fug helhest

[stiff breach]

Is drill + ram better than truth?

[cobalt beacon]

depends

[dusty spire]

No way lol?

[elder wing]

Congrats lol gotta wait a bit longer for the next banner to be leaked then pull for ikora

[indigo solar]

Until ram gets patched, yes

[stiff breach]

Fair but by the chance its solar spread, Pierce, rapid i already have estela and t6 jaren to cover it

[cobalt beacon]

hear me out my base ikora will be the goat

[stiff breach]

Well i rather have the cluster bomb exotic mod in the game lol

[cobalt beacon]

nah cause clusterbomb is trash without the bug

[indigo solar]

Which bug

It's still really good for dps even without the stack building

[cobalt beacon]

the stacks

[cobalt beacon]

is the other perk not just better?

[indigo solar]

Nope, cluster stacks with left perk oddly

[cobalt beacon]

hmm

[indigo solar]

The 40% from vorpal gets added so each cluster does 48% of explosion damage

[cobalt beacon]

interesting

no way this is intended right?

[indigo solar]

Tho since explosion also gets buffed 40% it's 34% each compared to main explosion

[twilit thistle]

This took forever, dug these from the 3600 screenshots in that folder. Here is a section of the dataset I use to kinda eyeball it. in mograns, i just focus on the total dmg, and the set of char ( t6 or not t6.)

[elder wing]

Fair lol but imagine they release op character with couple shinka type of coverages

[cobalt beacon]

thats where a card comes in handy

💳

[stiff breach]

I mean we sort of get enough to get atleast t0 of each character

[cobalt beacon]

prob not after this

[elder wing]

Yeah lol but while I can T6 it for free instead of pulling for ikora

[cobalt beacon]

that was only for these rerun chars

[cobalt beacon]

but ikora is fun

whatever floats your boat i have enough op broken chars

jaren is plenty broken

[stiff breach]

Also I didn't have maru so I needed a spread character

[cobalt beacon]

real

[elder wing]

Ohh definitely. I got her to t2 for free… so that would do for now

[cobalt beacon]

shes a different char at t6 tho

[lean ferry]

Drill four horned is probably the safer upgrade for most players imo. 99% of players dont care about leaderboards so they can just use the drill for anything void and four horned is fun and easy to use

[cobalt beacon]

yeah i think truth is just better for expanse lbs

atleast till boss

[lean ferry]

100%

[bold thunder]

The difficulty with data like this is that it's so clouded by the "skill issue" argument that it's hard to use for anything precise

[cobalt beacon]

but i think when fourhorned stops giving crazy stacks it will go to truth

[stiff breach]

Does ikora artifacts change at t6 or is it the same

[cobalt beacon]

rampaging and veil!!!

[lean ferry]

why veil over blazar tho

[cobalt beacon]

cause i have god roll xd

[lean ferry]

veil is like temu blazar on her

[cobalt beacon]

it changes nothing

[stiff breach]

I think someone calculated that the bulwarks ops rocket is still better than truth

[lean ferry]

you get damage without dodging with blazar

[cobalt beacon]

yeah but you want rampaging buff eitherway

so it legit doesnt matter

[bold thunder]

As an aside, morgrans specifically incentivizes HH's gameplay, because it's a fairly long damage based activity where simple dps and things like her ability package artificially inflate damage numbers relative to a control test

[lean ferry]

sometimes yeah

[cobalt beacon]

4th slot really doesnt matter

[bold thunder]

So comparing it to isaakis doesn't necessarily translate very well

[lean ferry]

this calam there are situations where you save dodges

[south cargo]

doesn't bulwark ops have fair play modifier?

[sharp talon]

i think talents are enabled in bulwrak

[cobalt beacon]

i mean she does way more dmg than maru already so it makes no difference

[bold thunder]

But then playing with random players means you're going to get wildly inconsistent performances from them

[lean ferry]

maru would be better this cycle without the modifier 🙁

she kills shinkas so much faster

[cobalt beacon]

🤷

[elder wing]

I guess if you don’t have the drill truth is the play

[lean ferry]

the only reason we dont run four horned this calam is because it's arc

and you need to kill void shield guys in like 1 second

[elder wing]

It’s crazy how truth was for free in the test lol

[cobalt beacon]

truth is the goat until we get a new void mythic rl

they will prob buff truth aswell

after their retirement break

[stark forge]

waiting for that 2 tail buff

[lean ferry]

truth's 2nd cat band is terrible lmao

[cobalt beacon]

the amount of times we have seen mid battlepass weapons get buffed is wild

[elder wing]

Yupp. Ima hold on for a bit… cuz I usually do some rushing things then regret it lol ima wait for a but and see what we get as leaks for next season

[cobalt beacon]

yeah they will prob change the stuff

[south cargo]

id say truth is better, unless youre shooting 1 enemy in a shooting range

[elder wing]

We will definitely get one for sure

[bold thunder]

Oh I just realized this was in response to the discussion about meta dominance, not about umeko's damage sorry (brains not working I guess)

Yeah no that seems about right lol

Interesting that maru was competitive in that one run though

[twilit thistle]

Thats why i say eyeball and go off total dmg. Like for ex if a char is dropping the dmg to 1/2 the dmg overall, its unlikely that its just a skill issue. Yeah lol one of those was a sub 60k double umeko carry 😂

[lean ferry]

still confused on how we get 0 new exotic mods during ikora's release

[bold thunder]

Idk (obviously not a great analogue, but I don't have any more modern context) back when I ran isaakis with randoms, other Tans would rarely do more than about 1/3 of my damage

Skill issue is a big influence in random mm

[stark forge]

new mods probably not planned for cycle updates i think

[lean ferry]

i thought we got some with jaren

and he was a mid season release

[indigo solar]

Most definitely after this

[cobalt beacon]

how

[cobalt beacon]

they are going back to limited banners no?

[indigo solar]

Increased rewards from calops and bounties in the future

[cobalt beacon]

yeah but im talking about the 60 free pulls

[indigo solar]

That's not what you responded to tho

[stark forge]

might as well add lumia to frontlines chest

[indigo solar]

They said you can prob get t0 on every char

(Which you could do before these btw)

[indigo solar]

Would genuinely be a W change

More MMO participation

[cobalt beacon]

i thought he meant as 60 free pulls

[indigo solar]

It's been great actually seeing people in patrol lately

[cobalt beacon]

my bad bro no need to bust my balls

[stark forge]

some activity in this game so dead bc no valuable rewards

[thorny frost]

Give a little bit when ever get the interactable chest.

[cobalt beacon]

@indigo solar is splash feast not just better for the present fleet?

[indigo solar]

Over poly? Nah

[cobalt beacon]

the things blast radius is so trash

[lean ferry]

gl blast radius is BUNS

[cobalt beacon]

thats why im saying 45% extra blast radius would be insane

[indigo solar]

It's why I'm saying single target damage better

[lean ferry]

you can toast buns and they'll still be buns

[indigo solar]

45% more of not a lot is still not a lot

[lean ferry]

more splash radius to 1 shot less adds is never worth

[indigo solar]

But small blast radius + 120% damage when no other enemies are hit is w

[indigo solar]

Blast doesn't one shot alone anyways does it

[cobalt beacon]

hmm

[lean ferry]

if they're next to eachother with poly red bars die together already

but they have to be touching

and majors taking 1 extra shot to kill would murder the gun

[indigo solar]

Also keep in mind if you miss a single direct hit with splash feast, your radius and damage boost is lost

[cobalt beacon]

oh lol

[indigo solar]

There was also a bug with Maru in the tests where her submunitions counted for splash feast so if they missed an enemy it would reset

Not sure if it's still there

[lean ferry]

that explains a lot

[indigo solar]

K just checked, this did get fixed

[twilit thistle]

Apparently bulwark gives proficiency even if its no pinnacle.

[elder wing]

Is it finalised between truth and the drill yet?

[cobalt beacon]

you want both

😎

solved

[bold thunder]

Are you sure? It didn't seem like it was for me (at least a couple weeks ago)

If it does though that's great, I'd love to rush ikora's proficiency

[calm vortex]

thanks Ikora he finally has all his Talents

[pulsar coral]

just to be neglected

[keen cave]

Time for 75.5k

[pulsar coral]

your videos have invaded my youtube app btw lol 😂

[twilit thistle]

My estalla has been slowly creeping up today, i saw 4,000 so it must be like 1 at a time lol

😭 The drops today are either useless, dupes, or towers I dont need maxed. Not one hoof.

[keen cave]

It’s good!)

Means i’m doing things right

[calm vortex]

Oh I use my Xuan Wei every chance I get, sadly he probably wont ever be 75k lol

[keen cave]

Tbh i thought it would trigger more of discussions))))

[pulsar coral]

i’d use xuan if he didn’t feel so limp

and yes i choose that word on purpose 😂

[bold thunder]

Interesting, good to know

[bold thunder]

Once I got to like 26/30, mine was like that for a while too

[twilit thistle]

I had to have afk farmed that about 30-40 times today lmao its speedy fallen, so its very fast. Hoof far front middle, esteala by the portal, and 3 summons. (and the skip button every time it pops up bc that shaves 2 mins off)

[bold thunder]

Wave 3 or 6?

[twilit thistle]

3

if u got tech for 6 👀 i want it

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure it's possible full afk tbh

[calm vortex]

I almost have every shotgun maxed now with all the same mod stats then I can finally do some direct shotgun comparisons in-game and not just sims

[lean burrow]

this is crazy

[stiff breach]

Is the 3rd catalyst for drill needed or just first 2

[stiff breach]

Its so stupid the wep would be good for anything flying

[bold thunder]

Yeah I can probably do it if I'm allowed to spend money after wave 4 but clearing wave 5 afk with only the starting 8k seems impossible

Not enough money to cover both ads and dps, so one always ends up leaking

[twilit thistle]

its impossible without spending. Farthest i got was the start of wave 6, also @indigo solar i think i recreated ur issue with the SG minotaur boss.

[signal spade]

Anyone have a video of the elevator skip in fulminator

[lone talon]

@bold thunder Thanks again for the help! First try able to hit Wave 22. Worked perfectly!

[bold thunder]

Yeah the furthest I've gotten is dying after the end of the wave 5 timer

[dusty spire]

Freekora lol :/

I’ll wait for 5* finnala one day

Revamp the whole outfit please

[cobalt beacon]

Bros gonna be waiting 5 months

😭

Each monthly reset=1 copy

😭

Your cooking for sure

[dusty spire]

It’s less but ok 🙃

[cobalt beacon]

How many copies you got rn?

[dusty spire]

Still cooking Freekora 😇

[slow ridge]

I rather have 5 star wolf than finna tbh but I want gwenn and Estella for my next 10x Christmas / present pleaseeeee net company bring them back!

[dusty spire]

Enough to get done in 62 days

[cobalt beacon]

Damn rich rich

[dusty spire]

Selective that’s all and patience

[cloud citrus]

When do the Cordon rewards come out?

[cobalt marten]

Guys, how do I get the specter with the dragon suit?

[twilit thistle]

👀

[surreal fulcrum]

dude

insane

[naive ingot]

Want my goth Finalla one again 😂

[neat valley]

All that pinnacle used to go towards trying to get max power first 😭 now bro doesn’t know what to do with it

That new character drop that’s not a rerelease is going to be crazy

[rotund flame]

Watch that be the next character after this one lol

[oblique helm]

@dusty spire yo I got t1 ikora 🥵🥸🥸🥸

[twilit thistle]

I skipped act 1. Imagine how much id have lmao. Im just converting it to SG currency

[rotund flame]

Yup, I'm waiting for a real limited character to come out so I can t6 it. Not to bad since it gives time to save for more pulls lol

[limber pine]

Would be cool of a 5 star wolf eas a reward for a crazy campaign you complete on wolf himself. 👀

[twilit thistle]

@bold thunder All ane to get 15<Gungnir to get 15.

[bold thunder]

Did you just spam level 1 gungnirs? 💀

[twilit thistle]

yes.

[bold thunder]

Were they chunking the bosses??

I still don't feel like I really understand how gungnirs 5% works

[twilit thistle]

Technically it wasnt all gungnir. I had 1 acute, 2 ane, 1 hoof in the back. Still.

Best lightshow ever

[bold thunder]

Thats so sick though

also lv1 gungnir is cheaper than lv3 anes - new afk meta unlocked??

[twilit thistle]

I didnt even try i just randomly decided at wave 10 it was gonna be alot of gungnir

[bold thunder]

That's really funny lmao

I slept on it because I always viewed it as a util tower

[bitter estuary]

god this looks so much better than mobile

i literally dont know if the gungnir works as intended

[bold thunder]

Mobile bulwark makes my eyes hurt

The UI is so cluttered and my fingers are always in the way, I can never tell what's going on

[oblique helm]

Yo guys, why dont they add 120fps on android despite it being on iphone?

looks like straight racism to me

[bold thunder]

Skill issue

Sell your soul to tim cook

[oblique helm]

Im NOT gonna buy an Iphone

To play 120fps destiny rising

[indigo solar]

I don't even know if iPhones get it

I'm on a 14 pro and only get 60

[bitter estuary]

i genuinely dont know why they cant max out the render distance on m series ipads

[twilit thistle]

Think its 4k 144 hz? Thats the issue is that i have to count pixels to actually validate that it is 4k

[bitter estuary]

i'm on an m2 ipad pro and anything runs at 120fps

[oblique helm]

Can you count pixels for me?

[oblique helm]

Think its on the 17 pro max

[bitter estuary]

BUT i feel like the render distance is the same as iphones

its annoying bc pop-in is obvious

[oblique helm]

I quitted some games because of the no 120 fps option

[bitter estuary]

i only play this because i come back to the game since all mobile gachagames sucks balls

[indigo solar]

Yeah I knew iPads got it but didn't know if latest iPhones did

[bitter estuary]

120fps is exclusive to 17/17 pro and above

and the latest gen of android phones (with some exceptions)

[indigo solar]

60 vs 120 isn't that much of an issue

[oblique helm]

that should be illegal ngl, paying a company to treat your phones better

[indigo solar]

30 vs 60 sure

[bitter estuary]

no its just odd because m1 ipads have 120fps, which is slightly above 15 pro performance wise

[twilit thistle]

👀

[bold thunder]

Tbh I'm guessing it's more that they just chose the latest models because they trusted the chips to handle it

[bitter estuary]

i assume it's due to thermals

[oblique helm]

In this game the optimization covers it. But like just add it bro

[indigo solar]

It's not that, it's just that Apple only has a few different products to test, while Android has dozens of different architectures, chipsets, and graphics to verify everything works properly

[oblique helm]

Then why not add it for SD8 elite

[bold thunder]

IPhone doesn't really seem to get preferential treatment by the game

[bitter estuary]

omg so much ram, my ipad only has 16gb of ram 😔

[bold thunder]

Given the development cycle of the game, I would lean towards poor decision making/testing rather than malicious upselling

[oblique helm]

Heard this a couple of times. What makes games like call of duty add 144hz option, And games like delta force running super smooth on 120 fps on mid devices.

Thats just them being lazy

[bold thunder]

Yeah them being lazy (or more accurately understaffed/overworked) is probably the most likely answer

[oblique helm]

How are they understaffed?

[bold thunder]

You mean right now or early on?

[twilit thistle]

Most people cant tell the diff between 60hz and 75hz. Nobody can tell the diff between 100hz and 140hz. Only very competitive gamers even need to go beyond that. You wont see it, but youll feel it. Response time > FPS

[indigo solar]

You're bringing two very different concepts together. I explained why Apple typically gets new graphics options sooner than other devices for the same game. Some games have better fps on all devices because they optimise better

[oblique helm]

No like, why. I hear that gacha games get alot if money

[indigo solar]

This one hasn't

only like 30M over the lifetime of the game

[bold thunder]

Netease has a lot of gacha games, I imagine they pulled a lot of the team from this for another one

DR isn't exactly in the red month to month, but it's far from record setting

You can kind of see it though, especially in the lack of communication

[oblique helm]

And I went against your statement by providing examples, all these games support 120fps+ for all devices that are able to though whether android or apple

[bold thunder]

Usually a pretty good sign that the crew is overworked and doesn't have proper comms staff

[oblique helm]

Damn, last thing I would want is netease shutting down on phones.

[indigo solar]

how does that go against my statement? I didn't say it was impossible for android to get high fps, just that it usually takes longer

[bitter estuary]

this game doesnt pull in a stable revenue, despite being from a big franchise

one example, persona 5 the phantom x has consistently raked in 2~4 million usd per month for both cn and global

there's a lot of reasons why, but mainly the lack of content here

[twilit thistle]

yea bc this game fails to balance itself properly in every way possible. From its own monitzation practices, to HH.

[oblique helm]

Wdym delta force was litterly released with 120 fps for all phones that can handle it. Call of duty added a 144hz option as soon as it was possible for phones.

This is just apple paying companies to optimize apps for their devices better . Trust me bro

[oblique helm]

And then we got clash Royale with the money they dont deserve 💥💥

[oblique helm]

I mean its a PVE game, characters being strong isnt a big issue

Just hope destiny rising doesnt go pay to play side, because they can and will have to if they need

[indigo solar]

Delta force also had a significantly larger dev team. Call of duty released it for all devices at the same time, but they have other things that have only been tested for iOS, like Dolby surround sound. This is a relatively smaller dev time not optimising for the plethora of android devices because it's harder to make sure it works for the whole android environment than apple

[bitter estuary]

there's a difference between optimizing and unlocking the option

[oblique helm]

Explain so I can see your point

[twilit thistle]

Nobody: I have Kabr, Ikora, and Wolf. And I am going to spend money on them in the next 20 minutes.

[oblique helm]

But you still cant deny that apply pays to boost the process for their devices.

[bitter estuary]

codm optimizes issues each gpu had, for example some mali gpus had a shader issue at launch as well as img gpus having black textures??? (i dont remember but i think it was a really bad bug)

[indigo solar]

Do you have any proof of this?

[oblique helm]

Im gonna spend money and support them if only my google payment account is messed up and I need to re-download the whole game again

[indigo solar]

It's a lot simpler to develop for apple than android

[oblique helm]

I know, but I cant prove it inserts meme

Ill tell you a proof

Games like resident evil 4, and other pc, ps exclusive games have been recently on apple for FREE.

Because apple paid them to drop their game on their devices. Means apple does pay devolpers to give their devices special privileges

[bitter estuary]

depends, but mostly yes, developers can manage resource load, while on ios they can't manage the system resources iirc but i might be wrong on that end

[oblique helm]

Bri made the meme family friendly 😭😭

[bitter estuary]

pause

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmam-bird-staring-gif-21593664

[indigo solar]

me when someone actually follows the server rules they agreed to

[oblique helm]

Cmon guys my theories make sense. Its so clear

[bitter estuary]

also on android you can access the files and adjust the graphics, for example in alien isolation, you can bump up the native res and textures as well as the settings so it looks as good as the console remasters

[oblique helm]

This is just how android works not something

[bitter estuary]

yeah but on ios you have a hard limit of 5 gb of accessible ram, while on android developers can set it manually depending on the system

*except ipads, they can access up to 12gb of ram on 16gb ram models

[oblique helm]

How hard is it for the devs to optimize their game for flagship processors each year? One single processor each year

[bitter estuary]

im sorry you're just wrong

if you see destiny rising for example, they EXPLICITLY state that they've optimized 120fps for snapdragon 8 gen 5 and dimensity 9500

[oblique helm]

If we took diff softwares into account, then yes might be wrong

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clown-meme-clown-makeup-tiktok-meme-gif-5027002171813147364

[oblique helm]

Why not SD8 elite 😭 it was litterly released last year

[oblique helm]

Being called a clown wasnt on 2026 list

[bitter estuary]

same reason on why they cant put 120fps as an option on apple a18, not just apple a19

[oblique helm]

And what is thag reason?

[bitter estuary]

because they have better efficiency? lol

[twilit thistle]

👀 In context of DR, there is like a 0% chance u will get 120fps consistently on mobile

[bitter estuary]

apple a19, 8 gen 5/8 elite gen 5 and dimensity 9500 is very efficient due to all of them using the same tsmc node which is 3nm

[oblique helm]

You are telling me sd8 elite can emulate games like call of duty black ops 2, Minecraft Java, gta 5 and might have a hard time running destiny rising on 120 fps?
Sure

[visual rain]

this game fell off 💔

[bitter estuary]

this is about a performance per watt efficiency issue and thermal issue

8 elite HAD to unlock 15w mode IN ORDER to run these

well, sans mc java unless you're putting shaders then the gpu will kick in really hard

[oblique helm]

Yeah it was optimized using a front end software

[bitter estuary]

even resident evil on ios needed 10w (and beyond) mode to run it

[bitter estuary]

optimization on mobile is not just squeezing every bit of performance but also the power consumption

there's a REASON why they did only put 120fps on the latest phones

[oblique helm]

Is 120 fps on sd8 gen 5 though?

[bitter estuary]

because they can just pull out less than 5 watts and have the same performance as the last gen with nearly double the efficiency

[bitter estuary]

yes

[oblique helm]

You sure?

[indigo solar]

Do you think Android only runs on one type of processor

This explains a lot

[oblique helm]

Wdym?

[oblique helm]

You mean the gpu too

[stark forge]

if ppl complain they cant run 120 fps on a stable game like dr idk what they will do when starting warframe mobile

[bitter estuary]

androids USUALLY are best with snapdragon processors then your argument would be correct because developers have a lot of room to squeeze in said processor compared to apple's

[oblique helm]

All this time i was talking about sd though

[indigo solar]

Apple only runs on two series of processors, the AXX for iOS and the MXX for iPadOS. Nearly every different Android company has different processors. Android has snapdragon, dimensity, exynos, tensor, xring, kirin, etc etc

[oblique helm]

most companies only use 1 type for their flagships, which is snapdragon

Samsung, honor, oneplus all use snapdragon

[indigo solar]

Some companies use snapdragon

And snapdragon is the best-optimised Android chip atm for Rising

[visual rain]

did they nerf izanagi in the last 3 months*

[indigo solar]

But Android as a whole is significantly slower to optimise for due to the much larger ecosystem

[visual rain]

i was doing 1.4M crits in a well

[stark forge]

i thought they buff it

[indigo solar]

And the majority of optimisation is GPU optimisation, which are even more different

[indigo solar]

Diff pact

[oblique helm]

If you saw my statements from the start, you would realize I was talking about flagship devices which use snapdragon (unless hauwei), thats one chip

[bitter estuary]

snapdragon has their own gpu's and it's open source so developers can access all of the chip's performance and optimize it in a deeper level

compared to lets say exynos/tensor/kirin (Except the newer chips) and mediatek/unisoc/etc. as studios need to communicate with the oem's/producer so they can optimize the chip because the gpu (mali) is closed sourced

its only exception is on snapdragon, otherwise apple has the edge

[oblique helm]

Thats why my argument was for snapdragon only

[visual rain]

issakis 4 man only a 3:02 now 💔

[bitter estuary]

and you're assuming everyone with an android has a snapdragon?

[oblique helm]

Im assuming most with a Flagship devices use snapdragon

Flagship phones because some tablets use dimensions

We are comparing apple's Flagship with samsung's flagship

[bitter estuary]

what if they use a pixel? a samsung (flip 7 for example)? a chinese phone (half of them use dimensity or other socs)?

[dusty spire]

Congrats!

[oblique helm]

Pixel is known for not being good at gaming and falling behind, forgot about the flip 7 because I rarely see people use it, Chinese phones like what lol? Dont pull some random ones

[indigo solar]

Like RedMagic, quite possibly the most famous line of gaming phones? They use custom chipsets

Also this is a chinese game

[oblique helm]

They use snapdragon dont they?

[indigo solar]

a very large portion of their audience uses chinese phones

[oblique helm]

Thanks buddy

[indigo solar]

combo of snapdragon and their own in-house chips

[dusty spire]

I wouldn’t mind but I’m still waiting on, I just don’t think he’s ready just yet 😫

[bitter estuary]

no it's because the new gpu isn't supported yet in most games at launch, but now they run as good as the ios counterparts, don't be dumb

and exynos 2500 had issues at launch but developers slowly supported the gpu as time goes on

[oblique helm]

So, a snapdragon overall.

[indigo solar]

No

[bitter estuary]

not really, only xiaomi and huawei use inhouse

[indigo solar]

Because you can't just test on snapdragon and assume it works with the red magic

[dusty spire]

Agreed I believe later it will be a solid device to mobile game on

[indigo solar]

You have to test the redmagic too

[dusty spire]

Mobile gamer 😅

[oblique helm]

You are lieng to yourself tensor compared to snapdragon is just not good.

Please keep a respectful talk, I never called you names

[indigo solar]

No, redmagic uses the redcore chip to coprocess

[dusty spire]

Console mode for iPhone is dope ngl

Same for iPad

But I’ll set that one up once I get a later gen

Can’t decide yet though if I should get one or wait for the iPhone folding

[bitter estuary]

that chip only exists to power the display and the thermals (if there is one), it's also to adjust the hz of the display to save battery

[neat valley]

Meanwhile I’m on 360hz living the dream

[bitter estuary]

it's really a glorified display co-processor

[dusty spire]

Anything over 120hz on a phone is over kill right?

[bitter estuary]

no

[oblique helm]

Yeah

[dusty spire]

Like just based on screen size?

[twilit thistle]

Screen size matters.

[oblique helm]

24gb of ram on a phone is also an overkill

[neat valley]

Be careful someone with a small monitor might get mad

[bitter estuary]

this is wrong

[oblique helm]

What are you going to do on a phone that will take 24gb of ram

Im curious

[neat valley]

Nothing legal

[bitter estuary]

in order to avoid swap memory with the storage, you need more ram

"ram plus" is just glorified swap memory

[oblique helm]

You can turn it off, no?

[bitter estuary]

while you can turn it off, if said phone runs out of memory, it will automatically switch to the storage

[stark forge]

what are u swapping that needs 24gb ram on phone 😭

[oblique helm]

What are you going to do to fill that much ram on a phone dude?

I can process a 4k video, game, record and ill still have ram left on a 12gb phone

[dusty spire]

They need to fix keyboard use on the iPhone

Because externally it won’t work in game

Brings up the text box but kb won’t respond

Need that lol

[oblique helm]

@dusty spire should I risk it and spend my 4k lumia to get t2 ikora? Ill have 30 spins ill risk it

[dusty spire]

I’d wait until you hit the next banner reveal window

Atleast from now until then you can save up

[stark forge]

t1 is enough for ikora no ?

[dusty spire]

Imo definitely

[oblique helm]

The more the merier

[late thistle]

i spent 285 pulls for t5, luck system is trash

[dusty spire]

I’ve stopped at 1 but if the next reveal is re runs or a hero I don’t want I’ll go for a T2

[twilit thistle]

48in?

[stark forge]

i definitely would save for next season in case they do a massive rerun or a good char release

[dusty spire]

First T6 focus?

[late thistle]

yeah

[oblique helm]

If hh gets re released and I spent my lumia i would be angry

[late thistle]

i just buy the 6th with crystal when she became standard

[dusty spire]

You save your crystals and or selection options ?

[dusty spire]

Now your talking 💯

Keep your option open and be resourceful

[late thistle]

i mean, ihad 65k lumia plus 104 pulls, just piss me off 285 for 5 copies

[oblique helm]

Can you quick reset anything other than relic abilities? For a character. Like weapon upgrades, etc

[dusty spire]

That crystal option saves you 1-60 pulls

[dusty spire]

Then your sweet

[oblique helm]

How do you get that much lumia

[dusty spire]

Your still above a threshold

[oblique helm]

You chat

[dusty spire]

I’m at 56k

[oblique helm]

Warframe is released on phone

[late thistle]

just saving

[oblique helm]

Just got released

[late thistle]

the fact is that matematichally i need 400 to t6, now i cnant

[stark forge]

ye like 2 years ago

[oblique helm]

So we gatekeeping now

[dusty spire]

💯 so long your over 36K your threshold safe for a hero you want

[dusty spire]

Smart Selection and working with probability

[oblique helm]

Uh, just got the message

[livid sable]

meanwhile i got t4 ikora with the free pulls ✨

[bitter estuary]

because you dont know whats going on in the background???

[neat valley]

Dayuum, I got a 1440p OLED 360hz , it looks so beautiful , sometimes I just stare at the colors on the screen

[late thistle]

yeah thats the cringe thing

just broken system

[bitter estuary]

warframe had issues on non-snapdragon devices so the delay existed because of it

[stark forge]

ah android release, game still run like hot garbage on phone for both platforms

[oblique helm]

I know that a 4k video is being processed in the background, and I know that im currently playing and recording and some other things happening in the background

[bitter estuary]

speaking of mobile

both run worse than switch 1 version for whatever reason

[bitter estuary]

yeah but it might use the storage as memory too, computers these days work like that

[neat valley]

I need more cat pics too

[oblique helm]

I mean 50 lumia a day didnt get you there. What were your sources

[oblique helm]

I have it turned off

[twilit thistle]

🙂 u should see my keyboard. Its 4k oled 138hz i think? The main part of my setup is the cat bed. He actually watches me play and do stuff. (knows what a mouse is)

[oblique helm]

Im not planning to play it now anyways, might aswell wait

[dusty spire]

Play day 1 and skip what I don’t want lol
Support with patron every month

[bitter estuary]

you can't physically turn it off it'll just trigger at any moment your phone has no memory

[stark forge]

u can wait 10 years and it still run like crap im not kidding

[neat valley]

The cat looks so chill and nice to have around 🐈

[bitter estuary]

if it doesnt then some stuff will just crash

[neat valley]

I’m on vacation right now so I’m forced to mobile game on my iPhone 15 pro

[oblique helm]

I have seen a guy beat cyberpunk on mobile 10-12 fps. Anything is possible with dedication

[oblique helm]

Its not like it'll take the storage forever

[neat valley]

At that point , he just likes to suffer

[stark forge]

thing is game has too many bugs and prog stop, controls not fixed after 2 years, host migration break the game like hide all the hud and buttons

[oblique helm]

I found it hard to believe, but its cool to see

[bitter estuary]

atleast theres controller support

right???... right???

[dusty spire]

Looking forward to the PvP event

Hope it as good as medley

That was fun

[bitter estuary]

last day of medley was insane

xuan wei only

[late thistle]

there is an actual season roadmap?

[calm vortex]

Yoink wars

[bitter estuary]

act road map? no

[stark forge]

even with controller it still frustrating to play i moved to dr and other games completely

[bitter estuary]

wait does it not have motion controls

on controller

[dusty spire]

New area new heroes?

I’ll keep saying this

If you check the mind it kinda hints

The story progression for the live service opens up for new heroes

[stark forge]

it doesnt even have gyro for touch controls 💀

[dusty spire]

Each heroes story is focused around a one of the areas

[mossy holly]

Dead game effect

[half sky]

Got 1 before this but this guy with lvl3 sh and lvl4 anes let loose all enemies by wave 8

[stark forge]

can say the same for discord server, everytime i open theres only the same 3 people talking bulwark strat

[sinful totem]

Where?

[dusty spire]

Mind section

[sinful totem]

Oooo

[dusty spire]

We know we are getting a Red Sea extension

So if the mind opens up a new area it should have a hero section

[mossy holly]

Idk whats going on man, Game started great and as updates go by and endgame stuff being repetitive...

[dusty spire]

But since it not a completely new area it may be a smaller hero pool or a continuation of some story as a filler

Until we hit like a complete new area to introduce the next set of heroes and the continued story

And I’m guessing a new set of heroes would also include new 4*s

Each region has 4-5 myth and
3-4 legendary

So by that principle maybe we get 4-5 new myths and 3-4 new legendary for the complete new area.

S4 could ramp up
Orrr be reruns loool

[half sky]

These game dont get much 4* might get another 3-4 max rest be 5*

[bitter estuary]

pls i dont want the game to turn into hsr with the 4*'s being sidelined

[dusty spire]

They need to sell new 4s into the new banners otherwise we just over kill 4 progression for crystals.

I mean if that’s the game plan the perm banner would be really easy to T6 over time

[stark forge]

if next season only reruns and content is bad i might quit fr

[dusty spire]

I’d definitely be on a break lol

I’d come back on mention of the raid

[twilit thistle]

All burried in the numerous screenshots from DR. I ordered a new phone screen for my old phone. Used to get them from there but chatgpt reset the permissions for my pc. ||fug chatgpt||

[bitter estuary]

im here to wait netease's big thing and it looks like ananta might be delayed to 2027 so i might be here for ages

[dusty spire]

DR is the only gatcha I’m interested in playing over Time

Not interested In anime gatcha anymore

Same thing different theme

[stark forge]

hope division comes soon so i can take a break from warframe and dr

[bitter estuary]

the gameplay loop in dr is just better lmao

[dusty spire]

Agreed

Early days

Wait until a whole year has passed and we have 3xs the strikes now and blitz

[bitter estuary]

no its just that the game barely got content

[mossy holly]

Mythic limited characters are just there only to be used in Expanse modifiers.

[dusty spire]

Over time content would be a lot larger especially for new player lol

[bitter estuary]

gameplay loop is definitely better

[late thistle]

the idea behind the game is insane, they just need to cook good updates and in a while will be completed

now is a beta

[dusty spire]

Also neteas needs to consider making the game have true difficulty and stop worrying about giving mobile players some type of assistance all the time mechanically

[bitter estuary]

the game's foundation is great but the content we've been getting is lackluster

[dusty spire]

I get it but your just lowering the games overall standard by doing that

Super evil mega corp hit a level of mobile gaming mechanics with vain glory

Let mobile players really dive into real gaming mechanically on a touch screen

[late thistle]

if they put in in console...probably no more long queue plus more money so better updates

[dusty spire]

Definitely the case

[late thistle]

literally worldwide playerbase is all on console

ofc they dont install, imagine playin on smartphone

[twilit thistle]

😭 Can i just go in solo

[stark forge]

yes

[dusty spire]

All they need to do is increase the monthly boat incentive to a 10 pull and see how SG gets flooded

😅

I’d be in there

Gimmie my ten pull

And since you use Tiers I’m utilising my hero potential I guess

[stark forge]

just replace weekly mission rewards with 180 leaves each task, 30 lumia weekly is a joke

[twilit thistle]

Ill gladly go in without teamates.

[bold thunder]

What server are you on? I can fill if you still need

[indigo solar]

The assistance is definitely necessary, have you seen the average player

But it should be opt-out

With varying levels of difficulty

And no requirement to perform at the highest levels

[twilit thistle]

The average player isnt trying bc there is no difficulty.

[dusty spire]

I’d agree the opt out but shouldn’t be scared to offer the increased mechanical difference

[indigo solar]

Crota was good and they've mentioned higher difficulty onslaughts

So hopefully eclipse returns

[twilit thistle]

Would you try if you have a 76k HH running around melting everything?

[indigo solar]

76k HH is not the average player

[dusty spire]

Won’t let my account be touched by easy mode characters

[indigo solar]

The average player in this server isn't even the average player

[bold thunder]

As the average player, I do not have a 76k helhest

[stark forge]

the average crota players

[bold thunder]

So I concur with taniks

[indigo solar]

You're not even close to an average player

[twilit thistle]

Its an example, there is always a biggest fish, bc power is not distributed evenly upon matchmaking.

When its the low lvl content, that really begins to make a diff for the other players.

[indigo solar]

Frankly the performance of chars above 60k makes zero difference to the average player

[bold thunder]

My point was that even fairly experienced players don't necessarily have maxed builds

[indigo solar]

And mine was that character balance is not the big issue affecting the average player

It doesn't matter if they have a max HH or a 50k Xuan, the average player isn't clearing eclipse or ACalamity

[bold thunder]

That's fair

[twilit thistle]

wat

[indigo solar]

The mechanical aids are 100% necessary for this game to have a viable playerbase

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure the game necessarily needs every gamemode to be accessible to every player, d2 never was (granted it's kind of a different genre)

[indigo solar]

Exactly

[twilit thistle]

"Also netease needs to consider making the game have true difficulty"* (I just saw that part and have removed it from consideration)

[indigo solar]

But don't lock mandatory progression materials behind the most difficult activities

[bold thunder]

True

[twilit thistle]

My point was that if i go into these activities, its like popping balloons. I dont need power advantages for legacy. Or morgrans. It ruins the fun, and d2 solved this by making it equal for everyone. Felt better.

[visual rain]

you mean you dont like having to nerf yourself to enjoy playing the game?

[half sky]

Emea it's fine I will just get solo one done try again tomorrow 😂😂

[dusty spire]

this is why I use 4*s a lot

Feels less hold my hand

I get it

[visual rain]

the umeko in question:

[dusty spire]

But still

[visual rain]

i think i would still play tbh if they didnt fumble eclipse

[twilit thistle]

yea i have more fun in sg. Except my Q is at 54 FUGin minutes.

[dusty spire]

Give me Saladin and I’ll su for a bit

[visual rain]

queue for what 😭

[bold thunder]

I mean I have an emea character so if you decide to do it and need a fill just lmk

[visual rain]

oh

why doesnt it just start with 17

[bold thunder]

Devs =

[dusty spire]

And content where healing is needed

[thorny frost]

They need a full team of 3 non bots for it to launch, 17/18 means 2 non bots are qued

[bold thunder]

15 of those 17 are bots so they don't want it to start with only 2 real humans

[dusty spire]

Rather than it coming from external orbs and stage items lol

[visual rain]

oh

i thought it was 17 real people wtf

TWO people on shifting gates is diabolical

[twilit thistle]

nope they removed that in s2, it was already 9 bots tho

[bold thunder]

So few people queue sg that they made it queue up to 15 bots

[thorny frost]

No it acts like sparrow racing, it will start filling with bots after X amount of time

[dusty spire]

But the moment they release medley you was getting games quite quickly lol

[bold thunder]

So you queue, 15 bots slowly join one by one, and then you sit there at 16/18 for the next 5 hours until you give up

[dusty spire]

Something about SG ain’t hitting right

[thorny frost]

Add pinnacle energy to shifting gates

[visual rain]

ive been saying this since day 1

[twilit thistle]

You can also see that people exploit the fact that you dont need any skill to take over the leaderboard lol

[thorny frost]

*getting it as a reward

[dusty spire]

That’s a good one, pinnacle items

[stark forge]

gotta get that shiny sg title 😭

[dusty spire]

And or make limited sg collectables

[half sky]

Thanks, it's been 1/3 for over 1 hours and 30 min. I will queue up again tomorrow i will let you know if need an filler 😭

[dusty spire]

Like sg cosmetics

[thorny frost]

That is what I am hoping will happen for the pinnacle change season 4. Group content can give pinnacle with varying degrees based on content qued for

[stark forge]

spend 100 pinnacle to earn 20 pinnacle

[twilit thistle]

I woulda had 18th before they made the change last second. Dropped me down to 26th for s2 🙁

[thorny frost]

For basic rewards XD

[dusty spire]

That extra pinnacle we get a say help with progression over time a lot

[sinful totem]

I’d be happy with adding more activities or revamping some to just not cost pinnacle energy for rewards

Don’t see why that isn’t an option / idea

[stark forge]

pinnacle energy recharge over time sounds more ideal tbh

[dusty spire]

It’s managing progression over time for individuals accounts

That way they don’t steam roll to and game collection quickly

Then you become ultra bored when you have no micro objectives to complete

[visual rain]

in other news D2 lookin real good
"Tiered Gear to all Raid and Dungeon activities, Pantheon 2.0, Tier 5 stats for Exotic Armor"

[dusty spire]

Still don’t quite understand why we have no emphasis on collection, usually your incentives by collecting the gotcha content. By doing so you get overall bonuses

[bold thunder]

Finally I can go back to doing DSC and VoG over and over and ignoring the rest of the game

[sinful totem]

Does this mean crafting in d2 is basically dead now?

[dusty spire]

Ours came in some weird overall drop rate progression, I get it but where the overall bonus stats ?

[bold thunder]

It's been kind of dead since EoF tbh

[sinful totem]

Makes sense

[visual rain]

i havent even finished the renegades campaign even tho i bought it for full price

but with dungeons actually being good again... WE ARE SO BACK

[thorny frost]

I figured light link was the variant of it in this game.

[dusty spire]

That’s somewhat part of the incentive to T6 but generally gatcha games come with overall % increases for collecting

Ours is that medal system

It contributes towards progression over time

Since its drop rate based

[sinful totem]

You also get faction bonuses for completing weapon collections

[thorny frost]

I guess I didn’t run into it all too often in the games I played.

[dusty spire]

Exactly

[sinful totem]

Like the origin trait gets buffed no

[thorny frost]

I ran into increase stats by having similar type units type thing.

(WOTV and POC)

I guess X Dive too but they have a bonus to damage dealt to raid bosses.

[dusty spire]

I get nothing for this, no bonuses nothing…

Usually you see like your weapons in that department get overall better

Just hero flexibility so no real incentive to progressing your collection :/

[sinful totem]

Maybe one day

[sinful totem]

In games like this, and d2 too obviously, I just always enjoyed collecting stuff for my own pleasure

[neat valley]

Bros bio

[sinful totem]

Doesn’t have to be an invective

[dusty spire]

HH broke the game

Individual leaders needed lol

[bold thunder]

Same, I paid for renegades but I haven't even logged in to claim the BP exotic

[jagged osprey]

Renegades sucked anyways, don’t worry about it

[visual rain]

POV: you love spending 5 hours to save 3 seconds

[indigo solar]

Too many Overworld Conquerors, not enough Lords of the Towers

[visual rain]

what the hell is a lord of the towers

[thorny frost]

I actually haven’t played a gacha like that. Most of them are just like “attach this unit and get a buff based on rank of unit+weapon”, or a “over all buff based on ranks of the gacha items”. Most of it is tied to what ever the gacha is so it wouldn’t quite fit the weapon system in this game either.

[neat valley]

Lords of the towers sounds like something from lord of the rings lol

[indigo solar]

I'm sorry you haven't played peak yet

[visual rain]

i have played Peak actually

[neat valley]

Peak is peak

[visual rain]

aw man it wont let me post medal clips

[uneven zinc]

[bold thunder]

So imagine a really cool person

[neat valley]

Nah speed king is a really cool person

[visual rain]

done. now what?

[rotund flame]

Funny how most people don't play the tower mode. It's kinda fun. Played it a ton when it first came out

[neat valley]

Now do it again @visual rain

Then you’re really really cool

[visual rain]

i do not have any mountains to climb in my vicinity unfortunately

[bold thunder]

Ok so take the mountain away and replace it with 10 petawatt lasers and a horseshoe made out of rock

[visual rain]

yo wtf the 10 petawatt laser is real

thats actually pretty cool

[bold thunder]

And you get this

[visual rain]

its called Anesthesia cus it puts u to sleep?

[bold thunder]

It certainly puts me to sleep

I have to go afk for like 30 minutes until I'm high enough wave to actually need to participate for wave 50+ runs

[kindred nymph]

Needs more Prometheus lens.

Laser tag D2 was fun. 😂

[bold thunder]

It would've been cool if they had made the towers just different d2 exotics

[kindred nymph]

And dumb. But also fun.

[bold thunder]

Like one tower shoots tractor cannon, another shoots wardcliff, etc

[kindred nymph]

That'd be cool

[jagged osprey]

I just started grinding the tower mode this week. It’s rough without stone hoof it seems

[visual rain]

i forgot this server is lame and doesnt let you say words

[bold thunder]

Yeah it takes some creativity

[visual rain]

idk man im a pretty big fan of big ahh laser

[bold thunder]

You can make it work with a mix of anti mod towers and other ad clear (like DCD or salsa) though

[visual rain]

what is stone hoof

is that a starhorse reference

[bold thunder]

Have you ever seen the big hammers that they use to shatter bedrock and stuff

Like the towers that slam into the ground

[rotund flame]

I swear that the last tower most people unlock. It was for me and it was rough at the beginning. I did okay since it was before they buffed the enemies lol

[visual rain]

this thing?

[jagged osprey]

Yeah, my friend was complaining they buffed the enemies. Idk why they did that for players like me

[bold thunder]

Yeah so imagine that but purple and also it makes the enemies drink milk so they lose their invisibility

[jagged osprey]

What’s the most effective way to grind the mode? Is it just doing the weeklies and pray you get some decent tower upgrades?

[bold thunder]

It depends on what "most effective" means tbh

Most time efficient is just doing weeklies

But if you want to grind with pinnacle (or even without) to get the title or 4*s earlier, you probably either want to do wave 15 runs or wave 3 runs in solo

Lucyfer has a pretty good strategy they run where they load in, place a couple towers, and then go afk until they die and get 1 chest at a time

[visual rain]

So it's like forge farming from black armory all over again

[bold thunder]

I did wave 15 runs, I have a guide on the build but you'd need to adapt it a bit since you don't have hoof yet #videos-and-streams message

[bold thunder]

Yeah kind of lol

[twilit thistle]

Y have more than 2 ane? 😂 muqam can carry the rest

[bold thunder]

Did you upgrade your muqams?

[twilit thistle]

Yes.

[pulsar coral]

i got something you could muqam on

😂

[humble jacinth]

What does Ikora's T1 applying an extra volatile energy do?

Make her laser explode twice?

Make her debuff make enemies explode twice on death?

Generate 2 prisms?

Proc weapon mastery twice?

[jagged osprey]

I think I just got Muqam lv2 today

[remote grove]

Maintenance tmr?

[candid tusk]

I am not sure on this. I was thinking it would proc weapon mastery twice but I don't believe it does this either

i think it might be a mistranslation and maybe it just has to do with overpenetration but i don't know

[keen briar]

someone talk me off the ledge, is sweet business even worth it for rapid fire

specifically for fin and wolf but mainly wolf as I dont have a built up mythic sword yest

[bitter estuary]

finnala doesn't have dot damage artifacts yet, but maybe

assuming s4a1 is solar rapid

[bitter estuary]

i dont see any announcement so i assume no

[cyan tide]

Solar rapid support 🙏

[keen briar]

would it be worth it even to have on hand for wolf? I can fully upgrade like 3 exoytics right now so trying to cover bases

[thorny frost]

From what I understand it is the explosion that happens when an enemy dies. I am unsure how debuff duration works so there might be a chance it also extends the duration, if you had to wait for it to drop off previously. As it lasts for 40 seconds I have never tested that.

[keen briar]

or is the usual GL build using super for the grenades still best bet

having a hard time selling myself on the assault rifle, just feels like it tickles things

[cyan tide]

It really depends on what content you're going to use him for

[thorny frost]

I didn’t take a picture of it previous to getting her T1 but I remember it don’t have the numbers for a second stack.

[keen briar]

guess im gunna figure out which exotic combos to use on umeko and tan first, and also get royal set up for kabr 2.0

[bitter estuary]

lassi+izi and uhhhh

polaris+40k

[keen briar]

have polaris already set up thankfully

[lapis swallow]

You tried Warframe yet?

[bitter estuary]

i just don't wanna go back to warframe rlly

there's replayability but i really dont wanna go back

[cyan tide]

I went back just to get the frames I was missing from prime resurgence, I'll probably drop it again in a couple of weeks

[lapis swallow]

I meant the mobile version now

[bitter estuary]

it sucks.

[cyan tide]

Playing without controller is impossible

[bitter estuary]

both android and ios, that being said i'm buying a new phone soon to test the mobile version in depth

[pulsar coral]

rest in peace my granny she got hit by a bazooka

[lapis swallow]

Fine by me, I have a gaming phone with air triggers, but I haven't opened the game yet

[bitter estuary]

i have those gamesir gamepads so i dont rlly need to care

[lapis swallow]

Plus bluetooth gamesir controllers are 10 bucks

Gamepads are around 20-30

[bitter estuary]

no brand gamepads (with hall effect sticks) can go as low as 5 bucks on aliexpress

[lapis swallow]

Gamesir still the best experience I have having quality controllers w/o spending a fortune

[bitter estuary]

true

[lapis swallow]

I can't recall how many times I dropped mine and still works fine

[bitter estuary]

better qc than ipega

[bitter estuary]

also atleast its not razer

kishi v2 is double the price as the old gamesir and has more issues

[pulsar coral]

kaboom kablow

[bitter estuary]

i think the only plus is just the rgb

[lapis swallow]

Iirc, there's also gamesir with RBG now, a bit pricey. But still I will abide gamesir quality over razer or ipega

Heck it even beats out my Xbox controller

[bitter estuary]

xbox controllers just feel good they have wack qc at times

esp launch versions

😭

also no motion controls on them apparently

[lapis swallow]

No gyro yeah

[bitter estuary]

gyro is the bane of my existence if i dont have it i play significantly worse

though i have gotten a bit used to not using it

[lapis swallow]

I used to play sweaty on Apex/COD with gyro controllers, just unfair when it's additional control over recoil

[bitter estuary]

i still dont get the controller vs kbm argument when all devs need is to add gyro support for controller

[lapis swallow]

Probably not the recoil control but aim assist problems, controller will always have better aim assist, plus lots of 3rd party controllers nowadays have the same response time as KBM

KBM players have no problems controlling recoil, but aim assist is just unfair nowadays especially on controllers with gyro support

[calm vortex]

Generally because as usual mainstream games are behind on adopting and utilizing tech

[bitter estuary]

true

[lapis swallow]

Iirc there's a lot of controllers nowadays are banned on comp because of so many advantageous features

[tight talon]

Sorry to be an opp

60hz sign me the eff up

[bitter estuary]

what the hell the game has upscaling?

[tight talon]

Yeah

Tho only the phone one, that's Mxaa i think

[bitter estuary]

oh okay thank god i do NOT want another game with a crappy fsr2/metalfx implementation that you cannot turn off

(arknights endfield)

i just didnt bother with the mobile version much i really downloaded it and tried the controls and uninstalled

[tight talon]

Just use a controller. It's supported.

I hated how jump, slide and bullet jump buttons are different

Even tho they should have just given us jump and slide instead

Sprint, jump, slide, jumping again will bullet jump instead

[twilit thistle]

@bitter estuary ||Uwu.||

[twilit thistle]

Exsqueese me? That’s not DR, or work 🤔

[bitter estuary]

balls

[tight talon]

[versed scroll]

Tempting but... Drill or Arbalest are better, idk anymore.

[lapis swallow]

I did get Arbalest since two are using it, now I'm focusing on the drill

[versed scroll]

Noted, thanks!

[rotund flame]

Wonder if people buy the dice? I just slap any artifacts with 2 or 3 gold 🪙. Not worth farming forever for the perfect piece

[versed scroll]

I think Weapon upgrade is more impactful than perfecting an artifact.

Some just put perfect Mythic artifacts.

[twilit thistle]

Ikora is the most broken char ive ever used in SG. @indigo solar u werent lyin about that build either, it just made her more op

The t6 thing does alot of dmg. Note i dont even know what i am doing, i havent even tried new ikora lmao

[bitter estuary]

why does it have hair

[rotund flame]

Bro what is that thing? It looks so ugly lol

[bitter estuary]

frontlines boss

[rotund flame]

Never really noticed, too many people sometimes and the boss dies too quickly

[stark forge]

chinese ogre

[neat valley]

They should switch the ikora bots to version 2 and give them truth rocket launchers 😈

[thorny frost]

Believe it is just combining the Nian Beast with an Ogre.

[neat valley]

I wonder if that’s how ogres look in China in the Destiny universe

[thorny frost]

That sounds evil, pure and simple XD

[halcyon moss]

i kind of like it

[rotund flame]

They would actually be a menace. 1 use of their movement skill and all of sudden a bot can hit you with 6 rockets 💀

[bitter estuary]

people be so dumb at times the only thing that will kill the ogre is the bombs or beyblades lmao

i think its faster with umeko's debuff

[rotund flame]

What about the firework minigun?

[bitter estuary]

oh that too, but it barely do dmg

[rotund flame]

Bro I hate the beyblades because your other randoms shoot it and make it go somewhere else instead of the boss

[stark forge]

fighting other ppl to control the beyblade instead of the boss 💀

[bitter estuary]

randoms that have horrible wifi

pmo so much

ESPECIALLY when they use a spread character

[stark forge]

these front lines favor helhest and ikora 2 too much

[rotund flame]

To be fair everyone is using a spread character right now since it was free and new, can't really blame them for that. Plus her kit is so much fun

[bitter estuary]

umeko for boss

[bitter estuary]

nah i mean like frontlines would be nice if ppl all had good wifi

the beyblade keeps bugging if there's one person with a bad connection

[stark forge]

i keep getting booted to eu intances ping is always 150-200

[rotund flame]

True, but even i get lag spikes out of nowhere in this game. Seems to happen when there is ton of players in one area or something

[bitter estuary]

i think its more on the servers

because there's like 16 people or more at a time and its just egregious

[indigo solar]

What if I told you there used to be more than one patrol instance per area

[cyan tide]

I just tried it and it runs very well even with max settings, the only real downside is that enemy density seems to be lower

I imagine having the same enemy density as PC would fry even high end phones

[bitter estuary]

what

[candid phoenix]

Spread weapons have been the most accurate for me to move the beyblade, but you have to shoot behind the spinner not directly on it

[bitter estuary]

no i specifically was criticizing those with bad wifi hitting the beyblade with a spread character

a mouthful yes, but they exist

[stiff breach]

got lucky lol

[candid phoenix]

Yeah that’s fair, sometimes I’ll see it going the right way and then it’ll update and be across the field

I’ve only been in groups of like 3 ppl doing blooming frontlines recently so it’s been quick

[stiff breach]

tbh i though i would want super dmg but i guess with t6 signature boost should be good

[candid phoenix]

Bro the game won’t stop giving me arc boost instead of solar 😭

Void

Yknow what it keeps giving me solar too instead of void

[stiff breach]

i feel that

[rotund raptor]

Thats crazy nice one

[sharp pelican]

does this proc on ikora?

[worn jolt]

Are those perks changeable or do I need to gamble 👀 😍

[stiff breach]

it does cause her teleport makes a summon

[last warren]

Youre good, The super works better as a debuff from what ive tried, especially if you're at t6. T5 increases the 20% damage taken debuff the super applies to enemies for 8 secs. It helps you do more damage then casting the super as a damage dealing ability

[sharp pelican]

gdamn

[rotund flame]

I thought it was the laser at first that counted as a summon. Figured it out later

[stiff breach]

probably both lol

wouldnt be suprised

[serene void]

as a f2p/low spender that doesn't have drill, should I go ahead and build up Truth?

[sinful totem]

I still think drill is a better investment cus it works on all three void spread characters

Can’t use rocket on Maru

[rocky pine]

How many hours do you spend on game daily ?

[lean burrow]

if you invest on ikora you probably won't use maru anymore

[lean burrow]

i'd say truth is better for calamity ops, higher burst damage with more shots in the mag

i already had drill so spending 100 eggs wasn't worth it imo

[sinful totem]

Yeah I just got her t6

She’s really fun,

I can live with the fact that she has the same weapons as legendary Ikora, her ability loop is just way more enjoyable

[lean burrow]

true the t6 feels so good, can't say the same about t6 jaren tho

[dusty spire]

Nah I use queen still 😬

[oblique helm]

@dusty spire are you there?

[dusty spire]

Sup

[oblique helm]

How is bellowing gaint and present flee both with polypoidyand fraternity for ikora?

[livid sable]

for present fleet, pretty good

[oblique helm]

And bellowing gaint?

[livid sable]

couldnt say i use truth

but probably good

[oblique helm]

Its an alternative to truth for now, since truth is bad at lower levels with no catalysts and stuff

[livid sable]

of the three exotic choices, fraternitys probably the best

anni is whack

[oblique helm]

Alright

[dusty spire]

It’s very split between the two in terms of opinions on usage, I personally use bellowing because I don’t have truth maxed catalysts so I don’t have maximum potential out of its usage, feels great and confident but my bellowing does more.

[sinful totem]

What don’t you like about Jaren

[lean burrow]

his overall kit is a little unbalanced imo, when you're out of welling light he's pretty mid

i have t6 so he's good overall but at t0 he felt terrible

the thing is everyone wanted him to be buffed

i'm not seeing the same with ikora

guess why, she's good even at t0

[sinful totem]

Makes sense

[lapis swallow]

Maru got powercrept basically in mobility and overshields by Ikora. It's like her entire kit is built for DD

[bitter estuary]

as i said before maru is like kabr, you're sacrificing speed for defensive capabilities

[dusty spire]

Interesting 😅

[golden spade]

Wooo! Is this confirmed or data mined to be in the game??

[dusty spire]

I just went looking for different GL or HGl exotics

Didn’t realise destiny has so much exotic weapons :/

Game has to much long term potential just from the already thought off assets

[oblique helm]

Holyy the ending of the campaign is so fire

[dusty spire]

35 days to go 😅

[oblique helm]

Anything before claiming the final rewards of the campaign?

[dusty spire]

If it’s chapter 7
As I can remember just make sure you reset characters you don’t plan to build immediately

And get resources back

[oblique helm]

It was only umeko that I put resources into and I already resetted her earlier

[dusty spire]

Once you complete campaign resources used on heroes get locked in

Also what server are you in @oblique helm ?

[upper bronze]

Maintenance Notice!

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During this time, the Destiny: Rising server will be down, and Lightbearers will be unable to log in to the game. Please plan your game time accordingly.

We anticipate the downtime to last up to 3 hours and will keep you posted on any unexpected delays."

[dusty spire]

:/

[naive ingot]

Lol D2 and I've got pretty much all of them too.... And never use them

[dusty spire]

I want a solar HGL that shoots like a
Mega man shot

Anything alike?

[naive ingot]

The mee6 is confused lol

[dusty spire]

I blame Hikora

I’d be confused

[naive ingot]

No idea, as I don't use them

[dusty spire]

No help lol

[sharp talon]

dec 18 2025 maintenance?

lool

[dusty spire]

😩

I’m just waiting :/

[naive ingot]

I was a Gjallerhorn user for a long time.... Till I got my praxic blade

[dusty spire]

This is what I think Saladin BP might be lol

Some way it keeps hikora viable next cycle

[naive ingot]

Best rocket launcher ever

[dusty spire]

As a weapon extension to her kit moving into a new banner

But then it means we getting impact / spread solar

Thennn
Arc rapid?

Toaster is finnala 5* or Saladin 100%

[naive ingot]

Need more exotic sidearms.... And a exotic solar shotgun.

[dusty spire]

Once we get the collection extension from S4 onwards

Widen the collection pool

[zenith ridge]

Bruh i dont even plan to buy battlepass. This is torture.

[lapis swallow]

There's maintenance tonight right?

[zenith ridge]

Also is fox bugged? I swear it shoots 2 rocket barrages but most of the time it just shoots all the volleys in one go.

[devout void]

Nothing this week

[lapis swallow]

Good, I'm playing Warframe Mobile now, I'm done with dailies on DRising

[bitter estuary]

maybe lobbies dead today bc people thought there was gonna be maintenance lmao

[cobalt beacon]

Cope

[bitter estuary]

🔁TRANSLATING🔁 balls balls balls. balls

[cobalt beacon]

Yes

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/wendy-williams-coffee-gif-9741880

[bitter estuary]

obsidian secrets 7 is out

[sharp talon]

bruh that was the last one 😢

it says completed now in the season thing

[bitter estuary]

i feel like there's gonna be wolf den revamp