💭│main-chat

[bold thunder]

So scorch doesn't do much

[rotund raptor]

I see ok then . Thanks for the tips

[bold thunder]

The scorched earth slowness one is the only one from that set of upgrades that's worth it imo

[placid fulcrum]

why is litterally nobody in matchmaking for into the abyss

[bold thunder]

But it's lower priority than the dps related ones

[dusty spire]

😅??? Explain

They want us to communicate through the feedback loop

[devout void]

bilibli slop ai

[dusty spire]

We need a real engaging community manager that actually involves

And can directly report back without barriers

[south cargo]

keep dreaming

[keen cave]

Nah 😄

[dusty spire]

If neteas is willing to pay out then for quality of service this might be viable and an early adaptation for further ventures and current

[keen cave]

Forget about the devs, they're doing Marathon Mobile 😄

[dusty spire]

Again need someone on the team with the vision 🤓 otherwise it’s a standard model being manage in a standard way

[keen cave]

4 things are needed for this game to shine:

1. A lot of cosmetics
2. No PE change
3. Return of Eclipse and Another Calamity with Fair play with viable drops
4. Rework of rewards in every activity: Need crafting materials without PE

And this 4 easy steps will make this game a loooooot better

[placid fulcrum]

six minutes into matchmaking and we still need one more person😭

[keen cave]

It'll give us time to farm until we wait for new content to drop

[placid fulcrum]

finally

my first time doing crotas en dwish me luck

[dusty spire]

GL! 🔥

[elder wing]

Dmn sad ngl… 0 discussions from their part on whats gonna happen on S4 etc… There should’ve been an updated roadmap till now too

[placid fulcrum]

into the abyss was fun, but a lot easir than I expected

only one shinka and it died fast

[thorny frost]

I dont think no PE will make things better necessarily. We could get a stupid farm time content that drives players away, the concept of “increased rewards” isn’t bad to give value to the players time while also making sure there is something to do between content. I personally would like to see means to get more PE from playing content without. Allow front lines to give some, basic strikes/onslaught/blitzs. Basically any group content gives the ability to recharge your “increased rewards” meter but still give basic rewards.

Including Iron bar and Shifting gates.

[pulsar coral]

As a Jaren enthusiast, I approve lol

[placid fulcrum]

the second encounter of crotas end needs a sword to spawn yes?

only had time to play 1st encounter and I'm trying to remember how the second works

[signal spade]

Need to turn on the plate in the middle with enlightenment then a sword keeper comes out to give you one

[bitter estuary]

also some items need to be able to be converted into other mats

topological asthatne -> mobius
contextual datasets -> exotic infusion cores
mythic infusion cores -> weapon luminite

[indigo solar]

How do you need lumenite

Just revert upgrades and you get it all back, only costs 6k glimmer

[bitter estuary]

yes

[signal spade]

Need every gun rank ten at once for maximum dopamine

[dusty spire]

I ain’t expecting anything 🤣

[devout void]

week without maintenance are sleepy

after expanse and calam, bulwark i feel empty

[rotund raptor]

No maintenance this week?

[devout void]

nope, chinese new year is today

[rotund raptor]

Ohh

Its gonna be boring till next thursday then

[devout void]

yup and even after, until march

they share ikora trailer finally, their official account

[rotund raptor]

Wow

[devout void]

in the picture they forgot a few characters rip

[rotund raptor]

I was gonna say lol where is my goat rossi

[devout void]

rip

helfest in the back when its their main character

[bitter estuary]

did they finally commisioned an artist or this is chinese ai

[delicate mango]

Ngl looks good

[devout void]

i wish its ai

so they dont beat the allegation

[thorny frost]

We already know what that means I am pretty sure. It is to replace the picture of the cards in the card game.

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/nature-vegeta-rain-serious-dragon-ball-z-gif-13693133

Might as well just throw my hope in the dumpster fire

[pulsar coral]

Not till March 5th, correct?

[devout void]

no idea but i hope start of the month yea

[old current]

the last word shown at the 33 second mark is a dead giveaway LMFAO

[old current]

and the worst part is that the song they use has been part of chinese brainrot for the past 2 years atp LMFAO

it's actual lunar new year brainrot worse than mariah carey during christmas

[bitter estuary]

wwait yeaaahhhh

why is the handle like that

[old current]

the barrel too

and the fact there are lights on the cylinder

and this

and the handle bending like that lol

[twilit thistle]

@bold thunder I dont think i did it right..

[neat valley]

Both those suck

🙏

I’ll pray for you 🙏

[storm mural]

thank you 🙏

[dawn helm]

Why I can’t add new Ikora to Gold Medal Bundle? All conditions met, - gold medal acquired, but nothing happens when you push that gold medal in Ikora sheet in Acclaim. 9/10 spaces for in bundle… 🤷

[neat valley]

Dang that’s weird

Maybe a glitch

[twilit thistle]

Def didnt do that right 😂

[bold thunder]

how did it work on that map? I've been wondering how viable 3e is since the anesthesias are much more densely packed

also @twilit thistle @indigo solar !!!!

[storm mural]

all i do is win

[twilit thistle]

Goat. But the issue i had was I did all of the dmg 😭

I think i was who leaked at the end too

[bold thunder]

Oh yeah that's not great lmao

Did you leak red bars?

[twilit thistle]

boss

[bold thunder]

Hmm

I'm guessing stuff ran in front of the boss before it could get debuffed and stole targeting

Might be a big problem on that map tbh

Since the bosses start so far away from your core

[twilit thistle]

The boss became an issue on wave 24. It just kept going all the way

[bold thunder]

Yeah that definitely seems like it wasn't getting debuffed

No way a wave 24 boss leaks otherwise

[twilit thistle]

I kept it from ending the match with HH, and bombs. (hh prints dmg tbh the numbers are kinda crazy, even if 1 ane does more, that is aout 5-10% of the boss's health)

[bold thunder]

Interesting, I wonder if you can consistently stall the ads behind the boss at the start with umeko or ikora

[twilit thistle]

HH can confine. It rlly wasnt ads, they got melted

[bold thunder]

Yeah I mean if you're keeping up with anes lol

[twilit thistle]

I would confine, and drop the bomb on all thier heads

[bold thunder]

It's not the ads leaking thats the problem, It's that understatement and gungnir both target closest, so if ads get too far out in front of the boss they'll steal all the debuffs

And then the boss never gets marked/SEd

In solo after wave 30-35 I'm having to confine the ads at the start of every round so they don't run too far in front of the bosses

Which is why I'm thinking that might be the problem you were having, because my first run when I didn't do that, I had the exact same problem where bosses would randomly leak way too early

[twilit thistle]

Yea i bet placement was 90% of the issue, coulda probably played better too bc we were carrying. We were at like 18 hp by wave 20

[bold thunder]

oh god lol

yeah carrying on that map is rough

I'm interested to try that map a bit more for high waves but sadly I'm skeptical

if we could get hive on it maybe

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/tawog-the-amazing-world-of-gumball-i'm-sorry-edit-tawog-edit-gif-3373229155217490030

[red geyser]

|| 5*||

[bitter estuary]

also chat i think y'all aren't ready for this but riskrunner+saizo is a great combo

[haughty swallow]

good combo for sg. keeps ikora from steamrolling lol

[bitter estuary]

it essentially can do consistent aoe which something the mahamayuri lacks

i think i prefer it over huckle in pve

that being said i could only upgrade one exotic at a time

unlike mythics where i can pour all my mats and i still have some

[earnest gust]

lmao i just failed the menace above 3 times with 5/6 members who had acclaim levels

robots cant look at 2 symbols and press 2 buttons

[bitter estuary]

wished i could help

[earnest gust]

these queues for gauntlet are brutal man

just give me npcs at this point

[bold thunder]

don't worry, they'll still give you npcs

they're just making you wait for it

[earnest gust]

is sub 2:30 on virtual race possible?

[twilit thistle]

|| ||

[naive ingot]

[twilit thistle]

This good?

[bold thunder]

Tbh I'm not sure it does much since (at least I) usually don't take the Understatement enhancement that causes scorch

Imo it's the only t4 in the build that doesn't really matter

It looks cool to have a full build of t4s though ngl

[twilit thistle]

Double clap is the reigning king of worthless at t4.

[bold thunder]

Haha true

Well Dark Bolt literally doesn't work

[twilit thistle]

Alot of them arent very useful still, wish they would atleast buff some of the other towers so they can be used.

[bold thunder]

Yeah we need a care update to the mode

A round of balancing buffs to add more variety to the buildcrafting and a leaderboard to give a reason for people to care beyond just enjoying it

[twilit thistle]

Also surprised they dont literally just take the multiplayer maps and cut out the other 2 sections, and repurpose that for single player content.

Thats like probably an hour or two of work

[devout void]

funny that they delete cordon and didnt even bother to send the rewards for ranking, "title"

[twilit thistle]

Skeleton crew 🙁 did they promise them?

[devout void]

in game yes

it should be automatic

[limber pine]

Guys what's the roll for 4horned ram I'm looking for?

[devout void]

vorpal cluster

[limber pine]

Tyvm

[thorny frost]

I could see some of this potentially happening season 4 when towers reset. Some could be removed and others added in/modified

[bold thunder]

That's my hope too

The level of care they're giving to the rest of the game makes me skeptical though

At least for the time being we have something new in the form of pushing with gungnir, but the mode definitely needs some love in season 4

[thorny frost]

New maps/features for all game modes basically.

That is the in general issue for content XD (other then all the other issues like loot and matchmaking)

[vast arch]

@devout void You need to censor your media or you'll have the permissions revoked

[naive ingot]

[noble veldt]

i just farted

[bitter estuary]

balls

i still dont know which is better song of ir yut or akutaak

both have firerush but i still am really conflicted on whether hyperanemia is better than syncopation or not

[austere oak]

How fast can I get banned

[sharp talon]

his relic gun looks like that. it's not the last word

[bitter estuary]

the engravings look off if you zoom in lol

[old current]

Nah man it looks like an amalgamation of both icl

[sharp talon]

looks like they gave the relic gun to gpt 4o image gen again

[bitter estuary]

yeah 😔

[stark forge]

synco always better by a mile

[twilit thistle]

😭

[gentle crater]

What group content is there?

[twilit thistle]

Shifting gates
Bulwark
haven ops
Gauntlet ops
Challenge mode
Morgan's prey
Legacy
Iron bar
Sparrow racing

[stark forge]

half the content u solo with bots and the other half u sleep through mm becuz no one is queuing

[south cargo]

literally game so dead half of time its bots you match

and most of the time the actual people you do match might aswell be bots

[twilit thistle]

||Dont tell the newlights about the Q simulator !🤫<3||

[indigo solar]

For Estela, song. For Kabr, akutaak

Pretty much entirely due to fire rate

Estela wants higher rpm for more corruption/accidents, Kabr wants lower rpm for more damage per shot, so more chain lightning damage

[bold thunder]

So close!

[pulsar coral]

I was really hoping it would come back, maybe later this act they will!

[stark forge]

scammed 5 exo core and a chat frame not cool netease

[bitter estuary]

thanks i'll keep this in mind 👍

[twilit thistle]

||balls||

[bitter estuary]

the balls

why

[hushed crown]

[twilit thistle]

Sharing is caring.

[hushed crown]

I inv you to get your plate

[stiff breach]

whats the quickest way to get mythic weapon parameters?

[bitter estuary]

bulwark ops solo endless

[bold thunder]

Technically farming wave 6 is the fastest I believe, but wave 15 is a bit slower and more afk

But bulwark is much faster than any other source

[bitter estuary]

unless you need mod upgrade mats ig deathsingers (min players: 2) is the best one

[twilit thistle]

Run in. Place a hoof in the middle, and wait. Always gets a chest, and u put in 0 effort and attention. (thats what i do).
Or, the fastest is to use HH, and RC all enemies till first chest then restart. Spawnkilling the enemies and skipping rlly speeds things up. Unless morgrans comes back (ridiculous amounts of them from morgrans)

[bold thunder]

I assumed the load time to restart wasn't worth it for only 1 chest at a time (unless you want to be super super afk)

But maybe it's worth it anyway tbh given the length of the grinds in this game

[twilit thistle]

passive income.

It works better on some days than others. Speedy fallen just make it end faster. What i would do is just consistently keep it going, and slowly over time it started maxing some of the towers.

[bold thunder]

That makes sense

[twilit thistle]

Its an idea @devout void taught me, and I modified a little. I would do that when i wasnt gonna be playing, bc id always come back to a chest.

(like charging my phone)

😭 I dont think I need to keep doing it tho

[sharp talon]

hmm i think i can get a free copy of ikora when she comes to standard because of fortuna crystals

i think i will invest in her 😂

[finite gazelle]

Stone hoof is the only tower I still don't have

It's so cooked

[scenic wigeon]

Just got it like the other day... still missing i think 1 or 2

[stiff breach]

my friend who has HH asks me why is she the best cause they think she feels boring lol

[uneven zinc]

[scenic wigeon]

unlimited heavy ammo

[stiff breach]

question is it even possible to get a exotic mod with clusterbombs?

[twilit thistle]

Does the perk say its possible?

[winged quail]

Imma be straight up it says it cannot be upgraded on this weapon when you hover it so I wouldn’t even bother looking

[stiff breach]

idk i dont have a wep yet with the perk but it says theres a hidden effect if you have exotic mod but my mod packs say clusterbombs isnt possible

[twilit thistle]

Note the red text at the bottom. If that isnt there, its possible to upgrade. If thats there, its not possible to upgrade.

[late thistle]

if i dont use the special ships for ikora they will convert to standard?

[twilit thistle]

yes

[stiff breach]

if i dont get t1 ikora in the last 10 pull tomorrow ill just sacrifice 10 ships for t1

[thorny frost]

That is what I did with Kabr. Figure 10 pulls is worth it even if they go to standard later

[stiff breach]

kabr i got t1 in the free 60 lol

[twilit thistle]

So appaerntly estella is the AFK goat for bulwark. I place 1 hoof down, and just keep spamming summons without paying attention.

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-spam-f-keyboard-pressing-letter-f-gif-17445356

Free loot

[icy mist]

I wanna know wtf, is happening cus as seen were not getting another new character in season 4. I can see why there a huge drop off no helhest Ur cooked!

legends play harder!, FFS net ease I have a platform

it's 'not called' how to destroy a game!

that Marc Marquez, season starts soon

[bitter estuary]

@indigo solar if i have t1 ikora wouldn't belli planetismal have the same uptime as undauted spiral

because both totals to 30s if you have both skills full (6s x 5 vs 10s x 3)

[indigo solar]

spiral boosts ability damage too

[bitter estuary]

ahh ic fair

so total dmg would be roughly nearly 2x the base dmg?

idk about the percentages i might be overestimating

but maybe above 50% from base

[icy mist]

bring her to T2 or 3imo cus it's a piss on the maru lads

[bitter estuary]

nah i'm saving for hh rerun

[icy mist]

she cooks in calamity

[icy mist]

💯

spread tho she's a beast

[bitter estuary]

true

[icy mist]

I feel for folks who spent on maru when ikora is a freebee

cus her new build is fast & hits hard

[bitter estuary]

speaking of pulls im at a point where i have t6'ed all 4*'s sans rossi so i don't really lose much pulls if i get a dupe

[icy mist]

if you spend nah 😂

[bitter estuary]

ikora is like ning and maru is like jolder

sacrificing speed for defensive properties

[icy mist]

I ain't that silly tbf

they should of carried on them bundles

[sharp talon]

damn im getting lucky on ikoras banner

really tempted to spend all my leaves right now

maybe if i get bp i will do that but im undecided

[icy mist]

I got her T2 bro

I'm not tempted I wanna T3 at least gynn

goth momma 😂

season 4 better be summit cus we've lost 2 content creators in a month

aint cheese on the community it's greed an dire decisions

[stiff breach]

whod we lose cc wise?

[icy mist]

poolsen the latest

joenova ain't posted for ages

fadious, he went before xmas

[bitter estuary]

usually cc's orbit each other but i'm seeing none these days which is ... bad

[icy mist]

misery did announce he's backed like

he's descent to watch but he's not a European player

[bitter estuary]

i think gacha games reached a point where even if it's VASTLY different and unique, once hype is gone it's gone

[icy mist]

nah it's greed, get what you can an dip

[bitter estuary]

dead months, long patches, rehashed content isn't even new it's just usual gacha practices

[icy mist]

but destiny has a following

[bitter estuary]

destiny as a whole is getting less and less traction

[icy mist]

only really been of late they went cold on ikora

[twilit thistle]

🥺

[bitter estuary]

actually wait

persona 5x is moderately successful

it's greedy but atleast there's content

well

[icy mist]

marathon looks interesting cus it's the old development team but is it aimed at kids, destiny is more a mature team based game imo

we all take the piss but to get a job done requires team work, team = .. together everyone archives more'!

I really don't wanna see this game fade out by the summer cus I'd jus feel for lad who spent on it.. I'd feel disgusted.

[cobalt beacon]

Erm

[bitter estuary]

aura

[twilit thistle]

🥵

[bitter estuary]

likely balls

[icy mist]

still not quick enough bro!

[twilit thistle]

wtf

[cobalt beacon]

🔼

[icy mist]

they used giants to build that 😂

[twilit thistle]

Not even sub 3 min 🙁

[cobalt beacon]

Real

Let me increase the exploiting rq

[bitter estuary]

more balls = more exploits

[twilit thistle]

Depending on how fast you melt the boss, you could potentially make it a gif 😂

[icy mist]

some lad we were with wanted a sub 5 told him unless I have 2 ikora 73k plus an a jaren then it's possit

[sharp talon]

need to get banned asap

ruining the integrity of the leaderboards

[icy mist]

other then that Ur cooked

[cobalt beacon]

According to the redditors

[icy mist]

that I can advise 😂

[sharp talon]

should i wait 2 months to t6 ikora 🤣 i have enough fortuna crystals to buy her talent twice

[vapid parrot]

[icy mist]

T3 meant to be the go to

[cobalt beacon]

Yes

[bitter estuary]

make a crappy build
do badly in expanse 40
complains in reddit
ppl ask for build
ikora 4* in-game "recommended" build with wacky perks on lgl + two tailed fox
what

[cobalt beacon]

Theres prob gonna be no new standard characters banners for a while

[stiff breach]

good

[sharp talon]

im 27 to pity for t5. i could just buy pulls with fortuna crystal. and save 360 for talent next month

[cobalt beacon]

Nonono apparently my builds are mid

[bitter estuary]

ikr best build is akshually a purple void lgl with two tailed bc mythic lgl is arc

[cobalt beacon]

Real af

[stiff breach]

i heared twotailed is the worst weapon for her

[icy mist]

im a grandad apparently, you got yes bro

[twilit thistle]

Cant even complain about the integrity of those leaderboards. The expanse is the only one you need 1% of skill to get on these days. Not to say the others dont take skill, but i am saying these days we already know they have them memorized.

[prisma pond]

Soooooo... i got hairkora on my free 30 pulls, is it worth spending another 30ish to get her t1?

[stiff breach]

your getting 70 summons for free so that would be 20 pullish

[prisma pond]

Is her t1 worth it tho?

[sharp talon]

definitely

[stiff breach]

another charge of her laserbeam

[icy mist]

an a 100% skill cheat 😂

[vocal mango]

two tailed in general is the worst rocket lmao

[prisma pond]

Havent gotten around to trying her myself just slapped random stuff on her to get to 72k hopefully she's good

[icy mist]

deffo

[bitter estuary]

two tailed is like borealis with the all element coverage, but somehow the rl deals a small amount of dmg,

[icy mist]

true NGL 😄

[stiff breach]

thats stupid

[zenith ledge]

Uhhh anyone know if you can get Jaren currently? 👀

[sharp talon]

you cant

[icy mist]

weren't they banned by the Geneva code?

[zenith ledge]

Sad

[bitter estuary]

wait for a rerun

[zenith ledge]

Okidoki 😊

[icy mist]

love fall out

the lass with that patch on my future wife material

[zenith ledge]

🙏

[icy mist]

she a blessing

my Mrs said why do I like her? I said ' I wouldn't say no'

[sharp talon]

ikora is so fire

why did i build ning fei

[cobalt beacon]

Ning used to be the goat

[sharp talon]

i joined the game later than most i think so i didnt have him built up. i just built him like 2 days ago, maybe i shouldve built ikora instead

[icy mist]

I said in truth she sucked

[sharp talon]

i really like her, reminds me of jaren

[icy mist]

nope!

[sharp talon]

thats just me tho XD

[icy mist]

she's spread

a lick of new paint don't cover.....

[icy mist]

I miss the lads not the alliance

[twilit thistle]

For zombie, he still is

[cobalt beacon]

Fug that guy

[pulsar coral]

He kit is pretty the same, enhanced state, spam able sig, dash with reload. She’s fun for sure, I still prefer Jaren. She plays like a hunter lol. Her sig can be hard to land compared to Jaren

Some people got her kit down like day 1-2 it seems. Pretty cool seeing gameplay of it

[pulsar coral]

Why did you build him 2 days ago? For upcoming season?

[sharp talon]

cuz jaren was too slow in calamity

this strike ning fei is way faster

[pulsar coral]

Is Ning good with these Shinka types?

Or just runner

[sharp talon]

not at all

[pulsar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/run-gif-20710858

[sharp talon]

he is just faster and his chain lightning is useful to kill some of the adds that block the next shinka and stuff

[sharp talon]

i make very impulsive decisions LMAO

[pulsar coral]

ME TOO! then it takes 2 weeks to catch up smh

I built up my HH, and didn’t want Kabr 2.0 AT ALL. Then like 1-2 weeks into the season I started pulling for him and had to rebuild everything

[icy mist]

I love jaren, NGL great play style TBF new ikoras fast, new void beast but. me personally yeah I were kicked for a reason, as anyone will see I'm abit... but.. I wouldn't let a team or never not do what's asked!.I'd play to win end of or be top5

[pulsar coral]

Building Ikora was easy because I had a lot saved up

[sharp talon]

i got very lucky on ikoras banner too so i feel good about that. jaren took me 346 draws to t6. my ikora is not gonna go anywhere near that

[icy mist]

her new kits insane tbf

ring of abundance then her kit oh my

overshields op

[sharp talon]

i did get her rampaging pact god rolls immediately too. felt nice after jaren took me like two months

[icy mist]

Ros, then her kit it's op imo

ring of abundance

[stiff breach]

i keep seeing different builds for her

[icy mist]

sorry

[sharp talon]

yeah i could see ring of abundance being good

[icy mist]

roa give a buff potentiel that's almost 50%

then use her load out

she's mental ngl blue bar for runs

now I hate that play style so rest is a ground base but if I like 'the hose of pain' then jump arout

song for this

[icy mist]

give it a try it's silly ngl

[sharp talon]

too bad i wasted my resources on bringing ning to 74k

i will try it when i have resources later XD

[icy mist]

guild I use remember I showed misery in chat follow him

build not guild

[icy mist]

NGL love the alliance I'm with think they know I'm nuts but it works 😂

(record I'm a very out there personality)

this is the best bit, most would say (piss head low life) truth is I'm one of 4 no kids an looking after me mom. as much as I move away guess who wants me! to sort it out... then I do few months later guess who the bad lad.. an thet cycle continut

I'm the brother that can't so it's my job.

I'm an old gamer so yes I have

I've had to wipe me mum's bunghole

with tp

[scenic wigeon]

What on earth prompted that that bit...

That, so... out there tbh

[versed scroll]

T2 Drill or T2 Truth for Ikora-H?

[twilit thistle]

@bitter estuary ||Uwu.||

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-please-help-gif-23923351

[bitter estuary]

balls

[pliant rain]

So far New ikora feels so much more easier to use than 4 star ikora and that's saying alot when I had tend to had barley even use her

[pliant rain]

Show off

[sharp talon]

what artifacts are you using?

[twilit thistle]

Just umekos. Hope dash counts as movement? Havent rlly built her yet lol

[sharp talon]

it does i think

[twilit thistle]

Cost so much money.... ||$60 total||

[sharp talon]

for t6?? damn

[twilit thistle]

I had some saved up (obviously) bc i skipped jaren other than t0 and kabr,. They were not bought with silver tho. But i had boats

[sharp talon]

i have to wait to t6 her 🙁 but i guess i dont have resources for artifacts and truth yet anyway

[regal gulch]

And not only that the amount we get to make more boxes is super small and would take a very long time to accumulate

To pay for a full box if it keeps increasing

[bitter estuary]

love how 6 is after 7

its wack

[bitter estuary]

you need 12~13 boxes per week if you started last week and 16~17 per week if you started this week

ABSOLUTE trash of an event

considering it increases the requirements by 10 every 5 boxes, no every 10 boxes

[twilit thistle]

When i was getting excited for a valentines day event, I forgot to check the bottom for the made in china sticker. 😭

[regal gulch]

Did my message get deleted? Because I did a fake curse word?

Well now I know

It is kinda dumb though for the event we literally won't be able to get 50 boxes unless you grind none stop for that and its super long and boring

Only 6 keys gives us 120 every week

Points to craft boxes

And the cost to craft goes up as well like what?

[bitter estuary]

the fact that per progress it only gives 1 piece and w/o key gives you 2 makes it egregious

[regal gulch]

So five in total and it takes about 5-10 mins depending if you have alot of people

That means 8 runs to get 1 chest

Lol 😆 over a full hour for 1 chest depending

[stark forge]

so just grind 2 chests a day after keys depleted

[regal gulch]

True 2 hour grind

[drowsy cypress]

Guys why we still dont get Operation Condom rewards for ladder?

[tight talon]

The wat

[sharp talon]

operation cordon leaderboard rewards

i want that red chat bubble lmao

[tight talon]

That ik, what bro said 😭

[sharp talon]

im confused

[tight talon]

@sharp talon

[sharp talon]

Oh lolll

im blind

[versed scroll]

Is the Blooming Chest's reward system same as Morgran's?

[verbal sluice]

Hey i had like 7 LE boats and today they suddenly dissapeared? I didn’t draw?

[lapis swallow]

I just noticed they allowed 60 FPS now on max graphics

[celest fjord]

Bruh I have like 30 stacks of the mythic parameters that are useless 😭

[lapis swallow]

I have 209 contextual dataset that is useless 🥀

[celest fjord]

Gimmie 😭

Also chat, how do some of you guys have the character roles, I want one for attal

[lapis swallow]

They are probably adding more graphics overhaul by March. Better be that update redeem the game. CN still in open beta rn till March

[bitter estuary]

i have 1180 idk what to do w/ them

[bitter estuary]

i got godrolls of every weapon, still had 30 stacks left

[sharp talon]

dismantle 😂

[celest fjord]

Mine are all dismantled 💀

And I still have 30 stacks

[naive ingot]

Had 20 ikora boats. First draw, 3rd copy. T3 Haikora lol

[celest fjord]

W

[naive ingot]

It was when Iron Medley was on

[lapis swallow]

Iirc character exclusive boats expire right?

[celest fjord]

Iron what?

[sharp talon]

these ones turn into blue

[fervent nexus]

👍

[naive ingot]

They become normal Bon Voyage ships at the end of the draw

[naive ingot]

Was a limited time event. Hoping it comes back tbh as it was more fun then normal Iron Bar

[lapis swallow]

Make sense, they go to standard banners anyways once their featured is over

[celest fjord]

Now I hope the same, I want attal’s role since I pretty much main her now that I almost maxed her out, just need one more of her shard to max the tree and the 8 things to max her relic

[rotund raptor]

Got my t1 ikora for my mini acc

[thin valve]

The worst acclaim mission of all time

[sharp talon]

does it work in practice range 😂

[thin valve]

I wish

[keen cave]

Go to chaos

Take Nimble and Retrace

Complete 3 rounds, and stay near chests

And you'll complete it in 1 min

[lapis swallow]

No one running Deathsingers damn

I need more clusters

[rotund raptor]

Barely anyone is running all crota stages

[lapis swallow]

Would be better if they made a solo mode for farming clusters

[rotund raptor]

True

[thin valve]

Good idea, thanks.

[lapis swallow]

March is taking so long for new content 🥀

[thin valve]

Clusters are overrated

[dusty spire]

Will be here soon, for now get all the micro objectives done

Also good mornings all

[lapis swallow]

There's no mods for Vorpal Weapon right?

[tight talon]

Nope

[bitter estuary]

xuan wei's the worse

[thin valve]

He is the last one i have to gold now…

But im out of glimmer lol

[bitter estuary]

its pulling 4 ads with the mighty tether 10 times

speaking of mats

why only artifactual dust and mod fragments stack above 999 but not weapon parameters and weapon enhancement mats

yes i can confirm for the exotic ones sas contextual datasets have a max 999 per stack

[keen cave]

Guys, i decided to drop a NUKE before quitting the game, revealing the biggest possible exploit for Draws in Destiny: Rising.
You can check it in #videos-and-streams
Enjoy it 🙂

[celest fjord]

I used to have millions, now I have 600 grand 😭

[devout void]

Fake joke or ? I didnt watch 😭

[keen cave]

Watch, like, subscribe and send me a present brother))

[dusty spire]

Whenever you get to a low pity just do a 10 pull….

Wraps it up

[devout void]

Personally, my mythic doubles always come at the most unexpected moment, like t3 or 4. When you feel hopeless and like you're losing after your first draws, the game comes to my rescue and pushes me to finish.

[sharp talon]

so close bruh

[dusty spire]

Single pulls until end of banner

Crystals ?

Or select?

[devout void]

Dont give up

[sharp talon]

sorry i got confused lol

yeah i do have 372 crystals

so i have enough when she goes into standard

[devout void]

T6 then push this

[dusty spire]

These

[dusty spire]

Yeah your sorted

I wouldn’t pressure pull

Your open to options

[sharp talon]

should i just turn them into pulls since i think i will have enough leaves in this cycle ?

[dusty spire]

No!

Exchange rate is not worth it unless your breaking pity

[devout void]

Depend of your fomo
One day you will get the 360 crystal or in blue boat

[dusty spire]

Situations like this

[sharp talon]

ye i wanna try on expanse but i think it will take me time to build her up anyway cuz i used my stuff on octant and ning fei 💀

[dusty spire]

And even then you wanna 10 pull here

[dusty spire]

Yeah enjoy building her then closer to the newer banner make choices

Unless the last Tier is essentially needed to clear something?

[sharp talon]

probably needed to push expanse

she was so much cheaper than jaren lol

[devout void]

Yea it help a lot

I get so many umeko that give crystal and keep buying + free boat

[sharp talon]

yea i t6 umeko and finnala on jaren's banner so 2/3 of the legendaries give me a pull back which is really nice

[dusty spire]

I got bad luck with her this time only got enough copies to move into T5

And my Kabr 1.0 has me in OCD mode right now :/

[devout void]

Still nice after the event you will finnish

[dusty spire]

Hopefully she comes in a banner I can pull on…I’m very selective and only pull Titan banners

So 4* only progress during free pulls or target banners

But I’m ok for now I guess, just would have loved to complete her now :/

[sharp talon]

im one away from t6ing xuan wei 💀

[dusty spire]

70 pulls 2 Umeko and a ton of finnala and xuans

[cobalt beacon]

Should i build xuan wei???

#1 expanse xuan wei

[dusty spire]

He’s fun

Crimson or heir ?

Got enough for the next max catalyst

[cobalt beacon]

Crimson!!!

[dusty spire]

Thinking to get heir ready

[dusty spire]

Yeah?
It will only be used by attal for me since I got no jaren

[cobalt beacon]

Oh

Heir!!!!

[dusty spire]

😬 don’t make me do eetttt

My last group to complete catalyst not gonna do BPs unless I really want them

So 5 weapons to go

[sharp talon]

i hope they buff truth

[naive ingot]

Do it!!

[dusty spire]

Yeah kinda disappointed but I’m thinking to max it once I know if Saladin uses it

But I need heir because Kabr 1.0 uses it and I like titans

Team Titan!

[naive ingot]

You love Titans 😂

[dusty spire]

@red geyser 💯

[dusty spire]

Facts lol

[naive ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-space-magic-gif-14255718

[dusty spire]

Just want my 5* solar titan :/ waited long enough

Arc warlock gonna be so dope too I know it

[devout void]

Already try bro 74k xuan wei could not get stage 39 a cycle before 😭

[dusty spire]

Because it has to challenge hellhest in the elemental division lol

[keen cave]

Excuses

[sharp talon]

it might be possible in arc expanse and octant

[dusty spire]

The real @red geyser posted this yesterday

[sharp talon]

what was he using?

[dusty spire]

He only play xuan

He the real xuan way

I’m telling you fine tuned 4* bang

lol

Why I’m working on Kabr 1.0

I’m gonna try it

I think my xuan is ok

[rotund raptor]

Imma try that double trick on my mini

[pulsar coral]

We made it lol

I’m going to pull for 3, crystal for t4 then t6 won’t be too far away

[hidden carbon]

T6 doesn’t feel that necessary

[dusty spire]

It’s not it’s really boils down to

T0 -T1 collector
T2 entry potential
T4 medium potential
T6 maximum potential

If the game desires to allow us to continue building upon hero power as it is now and maybe with end game updates, these things become more relevant. Otherwise currently a maximum potential avatar flex

[pulsar coral]

It’s for a flex and collection purpose.

Plus I think it looks really cool her sig

[keen cave]

t1 and t2 is already strong enough

[rotund raptor]

Is kabbr 1 worth upgrading.Got Gallows and since dont have anyother char that use it

[keen cave]

t6 is menace, everything else useless

[late thistle]

So whats the weapons i should use on ikora?

[keen cave]

Drill

• 4horned ram or bellowing giant

I love how 4 horned ram performs

[pulsar coral]

T4 doesn’t seem to bad

[late thistle]

Yeah i thought that too but everyone top in calamity is using truth, idk maybe for the light power? 4h its pretty low since u cant upgrade any perk

[verbal sluice]

has anyone experienced that their LE charms are suddenly gone?

[sharp talon]

funny how people are hiding their ikora builds now 😂

no, i think u should file a support ticket

[sharp talon]

most top times on expanse are using truth as well afaik

ppl are hiding their profiles but i know

[pulsar coral]

Why??

[devout void]

yea truth for expanse and they shoot 0 primary

[sharp talon]

i saw someone say in chat they were gate keeping LMAO

[late thistle]

I mean, no point using a better gun (4h) if the light power is hardly lower, u will do less damage on top content

[rotund raptor]

Like there is much to gatekeep lol

[sharp talon]

there isnt its hilarious they're doing it

[rotund raptor]

Most they can gatekeep are their artefacts

[rotund raptor]

True

[devout void]

basiks use drill or maybe its not updated correctly

[sharp talon]

yea he is the only one

2, 3, 4 are using truth

i saw their builds before they private

[devout void]

lol better than all the helhest

gg

[pulsar coral]

It must feel bad to t6 a brand new character and still get outshine by HH

[sharp talon]

the best kabr time is 04:35 on emea/apac XD

[late thistle]

Hh will be meta like for ever

[devout void]

i mean its arc expanse so its like impressive for the jarren player

[livid sable]

Hh is forever

[sharp talon]

at least i think i will be able to get faster time than basics there if they do not get a faster time

[sharp talon]

i think he said to me, he can shave off only like 10 seconds from that time

[pulsar coral]

I wasn’t sure which expanse. I saying for the spread leaderboard

[mossy holly]

Four horned then for ikora?

[wispy maple]

Does Ikora the hidden have any healing on her kit apart from overshields?

[short locust]

@kindred nymph Send a DM your way, thanks 🙏

[keen cave]

Overshield

[keen cave]

😄

[dusty spire]

Offensive support defensive all in one package 📦

[rotund flame]

Her over shield seems to be up all the time if you just play . Never went down in calamity ops except in the elevator ride lol

[rotund flame]

Why people gatekeep builds in this game? They acting like they are getting paid or something lol

[wispy maple]

I wanted to use ring of abundance on her because I already have it at a pretty high level

[sharp talon]

it is actually hilarious

i have no idea

[rotund raptor]

They gonna lose theur 1.4k lumia from cal ops lol

[mossy holly]

Alrighty then

[rotund flame]

Game is mostly PvE, even calamity ops leader boards require some form of teamwork. Everyone need to work together to place high in ranks

[rotund flame]

Make sure you have the cluster perk. I learned that it charges your kit so you can spam 3 lasers super quick

[devout void]

only bad player hide or a scared they might find something, the good one dont care and some top top team upload everything on youtube with advice

[wispy maple]

[devout void]

117 acclaim, only bring 1 hoof and dont care to come help his leak

[rotund flame]

Did you see the difference between 1st and 2nd place in the spread expanse 40? It's like a minute difference.Definitely looks odd. Bro is gatekeeping some skip or something lol

[rotund raptor]

Its hard to find ppl for bukwark past tuesday lol

[keen cave]

I shared all meta builds, no hiding 🙂

And you always can ask here

Taniks, Clife or me will always answer

[keen cave]

Damn, sad 🙁 Best activity in game rn

[rotund raptor]

True but most play it just for weeklys and no more. The guys that are dedicated here in discord are Na too

[devout void]

im not NA for emea its like that, and the 1 dont even have truth lol, mostly skill

neotorrent youtube have everything for calam

[keen cave]

Some people in my comments confirmed that exploit is Legit and happened already in previous game of the developers 😄

[rotund raptor]

Every map?

[mossy holly]

So no recommended perks then?

[rotund flame]

Wow guess the strat got leaked . Last time everyone else was at 4:00 lol

[keen cave]

Check #1391469379853619282

I dropped Ikora guide there

[devout void]

the 1 min diff is more because the other didnt tryhard yet or not like likely, but gerj is good

[devout void]

yea its been a while he do that you can check

[rotund raptor]

Ur theory about double character looks decent lol tho i can try with ikkora ill have to wait for next char

[rotund raptor]

Oh thanks i jast have started to try calamity more serious and dont know all strats lol

[keen cave]

I was expecting more resonance about this one in the community 😄

Cmon game have exploit for 2x mythics 😄

[mossy holly]

Bet

[cobalt beacon]

But they do call me somewhat of a goat

Also i love to brick my account for fun

And waste recourses

I had drill because i used it for 4 star ikora

[devout void]

maybe this cycle it work

[devout void]

you drill expanse also ?

[cobalt beacon]

Fug no

Nah jk you can run whatever

[devout void]

3:25 truth, 3:30 drill best

[cobalt beacon]

😗

[devout void]

gg

[mossy holly]

I dont have the drill :(

[quasi zealot]

Nice

[cobalt beacon]

You barely use drill on boss

[quasi zealot]

Its so bad on ram

[cobalt beacon]

Just use truth for everything but boss

[quasi zealot]

I can get like a 3:30 with ram but not much beyond that

[quasi zealot]

Yeah I just use drill to ocassionally break void shields, and just spam it on 39 to build stacks

[mossy holly]

Ah

[dusty spire]

The leaderboards are true under strict rules and time management these players hit serious times

Hide load out is not abnormal when it comes to holding leaderboard positions in a competitive time spot.

I rate these players

[rotund raptor]

I think its more about skill than weapons

[dusty spire]

It’s a combined 2

Load out assist with the performance to get stages completed in what ever musical fashion that player has exhibited

I’ve watch a few on twitch

Curves my time drastically

Humble myself 😅

[obtuse folio]

survival, speed, and power

[keen cave]

Cmon, the top 10 in leaderboard are sharing the same strategy

[rotund raptor]

The only leaderboard im in is hauntlet onslaught break in lol😂

[keen cave]

Everything comes to the time spent, random of enemies position and ton of luck

[obtuse folio]

operation cordon was fun practice for calamity, infinite tries

[golden spade]

I agree. I mean if they change the map and make it different to calamity as to have a different mode to play

[obtuse folio]

yeah 2 maps in rotation would offer more versatility in gameplay

[quasi zealot]

Cordons biggest blunder was having the same map, modifiers, and elements as calamity

[neat valley]

My first run through of the expanse this wipe I got 5th place , it’s the same stuff since the game came out ; it’s easy

[cyan tide]

The biggest blunder was having like 10 difficulties instead of just 3, that just spreads the matchmaking pool thin

[neat valley]

nothings different, all the enemies spawn the same ways and same spots

It’s just memory after a certain point and you just shoot enemies where they spawn

[quasi zealot]

It is definitely not memory, there are a couple rooms where ads ai pathing changes, ultimately leading to a restart

[neat valley]

That’s just unlucky , they spawn the same ways though ; nothing to do with them moving afterwards

You just insta kill when they spawn , then there’s nothing to worry about

so yes it’s memory

[quasi zealot]

Ah yes the brick wall

[sharp talon]

in the third room last solar expanse, the shielded harpies i think needed to line up. the ai pathing there needed to line up. you can't instant kill because u need to eliminate the minotaur then eliminate the shields off of them one by one. they need to line up for sig 1

[quasi zealot]

They clearly dont do enough expanse to know its not down to memory, i’d leave it at that mate

[neat valley]

Been playing since the game came out

And I get High on the leaderboard all the time

I guess I’ll just leave it at that mate , why explain more

If you wanna overthink it that’s on you , I’ll stay doing better than you

[dusty spire]

I need to get in then lol

Blueprints anyone blueprints

Then we can pressure up top 10

[dusty spire]

Definitely agree it has memory in terms of spawn and room functions practically the same with elemental being the difference.

It’s how each hero dancing through the same scenario at the quickest time possible

Each room has some type of meta route

Until someone proves better time doing something differently.

[neat valley]

If you do it enough ; you can create the right pathing ( or figure it out ) to kill the enemies based on spawn points for whatever character you use and just optimize from there , go over and over until everything goes as perfect as it can

[dusty spire]

I believe this to be true, thanks for the affirmation

Same tactic I used to curve with Kabr I used to curve with Umeko

Yes times are different but the curve is the same

If you know what I mean

I’m not top 10 yet but I’m getting the hang of this time trial

I just think each character that clears leaderboard should then have its own

[neat valley]

Just practicing your route or finding a better one that fits you , so you can get each round done as fast as possible

[dusty spire]

Then an overall leaderboard for all hero

[neat valley]

That would be awesome

[dusty spire]

So only unlock expanse solo leaderboard for heroes who actually complete

That’s a flex

So if xuan completes piercing he should then create his own leaderboard for all xuan

[neat valley]

That would be insane 🔥

[dusty spire]

Honestly I’d love it

[neat valley]

I can just imagine how many players would try different characters to be on the leaderboard

[dusty spire]

Exactly

[neat valley]

you would see some crazy stuff being done

[dusty spire]

Good data harvest too lol

[neat valley]

A lot of different builds being made too

More variety for sure

[modern seal]

Just tried taking ikora through expanse and its insane how much better she feels than maru. Cleans house with her grouping up ads and 100% uptime on over shield

Took me like 10+ tries to get through stage 36 on my Maru my first time, effortlessly did it 1st try with ikora

[pulsar coral]

I died 5 times with Maru and gave up. With Ikora I did the first time under powered compared to my Maru and Ikora at the time was t0 lol

My Maru was t1, big difference for sure

[keen cave]

Another guy got 2x mythic)))

While everyone is sleeping other drops mythics:)

Don’t sleep, go to #videos-and-streams check glitch with draws, give a like and enjoy free mythics)

[mossy holly]

Idk if that's safe to encourage glitches like this.

[devout void]

i hope its not my account

[keen cave]

No i got it as DM in my social media)))

I got a lot of dms with successful 2x mythics

[keen cave]

Dev had the same issue in other game and did nothing

And i don't think they care 🙂

This issue was reported long ago, they did nothing

[mossy holly]

Ah..

[covert mirage]

it worked lmao I got ikora to 5 left and did a 10 pull and got 2 copies

[keen cave]

Happy to help:)

[gentle crater]

Just got tan 2, looks pretty useful

[bold thunder]

Strong? Yes

[mossy holly]

He pretty good

[bold thunder]

Useful, eh

The endgame content doesn't really incentivize the niches he's good at very often

Very fun character though, highest dps in the game

[candid tusk]

and if they do, it's in fair play. and tan2 does not outdps helhest on any planet ever

[bold thunder]

Tan is fairly bad in fair play, so the point stands sadly

And in short window dps (<15 seconds) a maxed tan will out dps a maxed hh

[candid tusk]

no he won't

[elfin remnant]

what are the best artifacts for hidden Ikora?

[bold thunder]

It's fairly close though

[candid tusk]

not even close

[bold thunder]

I did a significant amount of testing back when I used to run solo isaakis, which is literally the only thing in the game where that matters

[candid tusk]

the fastest times on isaakis are without tan2

[bold thunder]

And he does in fact out dps HH by a bit

[candid tusk]

no he does not rofl

[bold thunder]

Solo means no izi 1 shot, so 40k reigns

[candid tusk]

show me your 3250 calming/hawkeye setup on both helhest and tan2 and then show me the outdps

[bold thunder]

Team isaakis speeds aren't very indicative of dps because you just 1 shot the boss

[bold thunder]

I mean I'm not sure why you're running calming in this context, given it significantly underperforms united in controlled dps checks

[candid tusk]

it absolutely does not, but go off more

[gentle crater]

Whats he used for

[candid tusk]

even pre-nerf on axion, calming only lost to axion in super drone by like 3-4%

and was about ~1% diff between the two in short freq

and calming beat it by 28% outside of either

that was pre-nerf

[elfin remnant]

what are the best artifacts for Ikora Hidden?

[keen cave]

#1391469379853619282

[candid tusk]

that guide is wrong

blazar doesn't work on rockets impact dmg and doesn't work on weapon mastery

so it's flat out worse than the new spiral

[short locust]

Oof

[bold thunder]

What are you basing this off of? I haven't done the math post nerf, but from my math pre nerf, Calming Token was a 13.43% dps increase to 40k and United Axion was a 48.63% increase (in well)

[cobalt beacon]

valiant veil is the goat

[keen cave]

omfg...

Stop it, mate 🙂

[cobalt beacon]

@candid tusk your so wrong bro leave @keen cave alone

[sharp talon]

is undaunted spiral worse than valiant veil?

[candid tusk]

i know bro

[indigo solar]

On Izzy? Lmao

[cobalt beacon]

🥰

goat ragebait

[candid tusk]

i was talking about helhest, not tan2 in that

[short locust]

Imagine talking about Tan

[candid tusk]

i don't know the axion vs calming numbers during well on tan2 actually so i don't know which one is better there

[bold thunder]

I mean you responded to my question about why you were using calming on tan so

[indigo solar]

Axion by a long shot

Calming barely buffs Izzy

[keen cave]

Finally

[candid tusk]

yeah i was talking about helhest numbers

[indigo solar]

But you said to show the calming/hawkeye build for tan

[keen cave]

Helhest with Calming srsly?

[candid tusk]

that's fine, we can do optimal artifacts on tan2 vs helhest

[cobalt beacon]

yes

[candid tusk]

and tan2 is not beating helhest in 15 sec

[bold thunder]

Oh yeah calming on helhest is fine, but if you're using calming on tan for your comparison, that probably explains why your HH is out dpsing him

[cobalt beacon]

im a helhest pro trust me

[elfin remnant]

thanks!

[cobalt beacon]

"i have t1"

[indigo solar]

Yeah it works properly with Arby and QB but not most other guns

So it's pretty good

[indigo solar]

He absolutely is lmao and it isn't even close

[keen cave]

But not to a degree to replace United

[candid tusk]

calming is VERY good if helhest is doing most of the damage, but axion is better if you need your teammates to hit dmg breakpoints

because you don't have short frequency for entire room clears in some maps

[bold thunder]

I mean that's probably true

[candid tusk]

honestly for casual gameplay, calming is straight up better because they aren't optimizing short frequency anyways

and you get a large dmg increase on calming outside of short freq and super drone

[indigo solar]

For general play it's better, even in super axion is only 40% (though multiplicative w/ slot 4 while calming is I think additive)

[bold thunder]

By your own admission though it sounds like you're saying you don't know Tan very well, that you're a helhest main/expert

[candid tusk]

lets see your highest dps on a sniper shinka, 10 sec window

in training mode

[bold thunder]

Given I assume you've never played with a good Tan before since they're not exactly common in calamity, what makes you so confident?

[indigo solar]

Man's gonna use Arby for inflated numbers

Do a servitor like normal

Esp since shinkas take inflated weapon damage but not inflated ability damage

[short locust]

Yeah I've never liked testing on Shinkas because of this

[keen cave]

I would never spend resouces to max calming exotic.
As mythic art for fun, yes.
I don't remember any of calamity or expanse seasons where i would prefer to use Calming Instead of United tbh)

[short locust]

Servitor or Heavy Shank of that's your jam

[keen cave]

On the paper it's good, but it's useless endgame

[bold thunder]

I mean training range numbers can be misleading, especially when shinkas are involved, but this was from a while ago lol

Non-shinka was more like 12m iirc

Maybe 13

I have fairly bad artis, maxed would probably be another 20% or so

[candid tusk]

I think my highest dps on helhest in a sniper shinka depending on compass was like 10mil +

[bold thunder]

10m+ dps? That's something I'd love to see

[candid tusk]

lets see if i can find the screenshot or i'll run one right now and see what it is

i mean there's a screenshot on reddit of way higher than this alone

[bold thunder]

But again, I'm not sure why we're using a shinka for tests, they've always been awful/buggy

Servitor tests were always so much cleaner

[indigo solar]

With Arby

Which deals 31.25x damage to the orb

[candid tusk]

queenbreaker

[lone talon]

Bulwarks Ops round 15+ easily achievable, yes? I haven't followed all the changes, but know they made some updates upon release awhile ago.

Sitting at lvl 78. About 50% 4 star towers. Still can't reach round 15. Feels like something I'm doing off. Feel like it should be way easier.

[indigo solar]

Gonna need to see a vid of that

[indigo solar]

Easy if you have stone hoof and anesthesia

Without anesthesia you need to use some jank towers and it isn't consistent

[candid tusk]

it was during a different compass which i think contributed a lot

[lone talon]

Stone hoof 3 star and Anthesia on the cusp on 4 star

[bold thunder]

yeah 15 isn't too hard once you know a build for it
this is a guide I have on it if you want some help #videos-and-streams message

[indigo solar]

Steve knows what he's talking about

[lone talon]

Appreciate it!

[candid tusk]

just walking in and doing nothing i put up 6 mil dps

which is significantly higher than tan2

[keen cave]

#videos-and-streams you can find guides there

[indigo solar]

Send vid or meaningless

[bold thunder]

given the original context of the conversation - solo isaakis - this was my old Tan mark from when I was doing runs

even despite my bad artifacts, no helhest I've seen can kill in 8 seconds

[keen cave]

Tan now is used only Deathsingers WR and Leaderboard runs:)

Solo isaakis is now Helhest viable with Drones explosion

[bold thunder]

for the scorch cannons? Or do you mean dps

[indigo solar]

Scorch cannons

[bold thunder]

I haven't followed developments there in a while since no one really seemed interested in contesting my time

[indigo solar]

It was already viable on Helhest tho

[bold thunder]

ah yeah

Idk I looked into that for a bit when it was originally found, but the time save from scorches seemed to be mostly lost in claws and dps

didn't do enough testing though because I was pretty burnt already by that point

[dusty spire]

👀

[indigo solar]

This isn't even a particularly great rotation either, could be cancelling with fireball instead of moving

[bold thunder]

the fireball animation takes longer than move canceling, and the small amount of extra damage from it isn't needed

[indigo solar]

Hang on gotta grab my computer, Apple doesn't like mkv

[bold thunder]

I only fireball cancel at the end to reapply corrupted

[indigo solar]

aight @bold thunder you wanna give that a crack?^

[candid tusk]

3050 and 3180 artifacts

that's calming/hawkeye, i could run it once with axion too

def lower with axion

[bold thunder]

I mean these are my artifacts, so it wouldn't exactly be a comparably test

[candid tusk]

you def won't beat my ikora only using truth lol

no 4horn here

[bold thunder]

ok?

[candid tusk]

you claiming tan2 highest dps in the game but it won't be helhest or ikora, maybe not even maru

[bold thunder]

Every time I talk to you, I'm never sure whether I'm getting baited

[candid tusk]

that's what makes it exciting

[bold thunder]

Which I guess if anything, just means you're good at your craft

[candid tusk]

had no idea that ikora would outdps helhest though in burst, that's kind of wild

ikora is the highest dps into bigger targets at least in the game then

[bold thunder]

did they increase damage to shinkas in the range?

I'm doing more than double what I used to (from memory at least, this was months ago) despite having a significantly worse artifact this season

Ahhhh why does everyone insist on using shinkas to compare damage they're so bad

[candid tusk]

because they hit 10 sec windows reliably

but it does probably suck for tan 2 actually

[bold thunder]

you can also just record a video and cut it at 10s 😭

[bold thunder]

yeah the stagger is pretty rough, especially at range

[lean ferry]

there isnt any boss relevant enough to care about dps on tbf

only dps checks that matter are on shinkas

[bold thunder]

but the bigger issue is that they just seem to consistently have bugs in the range

[bold thunder]

the context was this @lean ferry, which is more or less a 10 second window

[candid tusk]

indeed, and it's rarely on the helhest i feel like, it's almost always a dps check on the runner or other dps

[lean ferry]

can you instakill isaakis with arb if you leave a piercing up

[indigo solar]

Not even close

Arby only does enough damage to kill issakis when hitting a piercing orb, which gets crazy multis

It can't do it vs regular enemies

[candid tusk]

7.28 on ikora

xd very fun

[lean ferry]

so it just chunks a portion of his healthbar or

[indigo solar]

Should do decent damage yeah but not enough to one tap

Probably 5 shots min

[bold thunder]

this is with full pact right? (or at least the damage relevant ones)

And I assume maxed or near maxed artis?

[candid tusk]

compass is maxed, 3050 and 3180 artis

that ikora one is 3030, 3180 artis

[bold thunder]

This was the best test I could get, it's a little messy but probably indicative of an optimal rotation

[candid tusk]

i will admit that the sniper shinka is extra hard on tan2 though

for parsing

[bold thunder]

the two 4th column pacts are 8% and 15%, both of which are triggered by HH but not Tan

not sure how those stack with other buffs though

[ashen latch]

Is the game still alive?

[candid tusk]

she doesn't blind

[ashen latch]

Lowkey might install again

[bold thunder]

oh does she not?

[candid tusk]

no

i also don't know that the 15% is working since i cast it while the sniper shinka is not broken yet

so it might not be working anyways

[bold thunder]

you're right, I don't know why I thought she did

[candid tusk]

i could just not salvo and see the same numbers probably ill try

[bold thunder]

obviously my artifacts are fairly bad, no idea what the % is though

idk it's really hard to compare the damage given the number of variables

[candid tusk]

yeah it's the same, not getting the 15%

[bold thunder]

Interesting

[candid tusk]

you'd have to gain 60% more dmg to basically be even to helhest

and nearly double dmg to get to ikora

and i don't even have god rolls obviously either

well i do, just not 3250 max artis

[bold thunder]

ikora's dps is 4.5m, you're reading the peak dps

[candid tusk]

and you can get even higher dps with a different 4th slot i think

[bold thunder]

yeah, the artifact difference is probably significant, but idk if it's that significant

[mossy holly]

Man I struggle with 40/40 boss

Symmetry doesnt do much dmg and my maxed heavy rifle isnt enough.

[candid tusk]

so just dmg it was 57% more dmg on helhest

but yeah with max artis on both, i venture it's still like 40%+

[south cargo]

what character are you using

[candid tusk]

and ikora did basically the same dmg as helheszt

[mossy holly]

Mythic kabr

[south cargo]

just hide behind the shield and use heavy

[mossy holly]

Its what Ive been doing tbh

[south cargo]

use an exotic heavy

[open fjord]

Hello

[bold thunder]

as in your HH does 40% more than my Tan if I had maxed artifacts?

because that's definitely bait

[candid tusk]

60%

[south cargo]

helhest does all that damage while being able to make the user shoot at the floor and get headshots

[candid tusk]

oh with max artis on both, you think it's not a 40%+ diff?

[red geyser]

Is there anything related to the game that I can help you with ?

[bold thunder]

I mean tbh it's been a long time since I did all this math so idk

[lean ferry]

Am i misunderstanding this? You arent saying that arb cant solo kill isaakis, are you?

[bold thunder]

they're saying it can't 1 shot isaakis

[mossy holly]

I have Royale and the solar one

[bold thunder]

a lot of things can solo isaakis in 20 seconds, he doesn't really have that much health

[south cargo]

yeah try either

[lean ferry]

yeah that's what i thought

[bold thunder]

Yeah idk @candid tusk I'm too far removed from the game's competitive scene at this point to feel confident countering you with just my personal knowledge of the game

I'm likely wrong, and without evidence to the contrary I'll concede the point that your HH has more DPS than my Tan would

[candid tusk]

what's the optimal tan2 artifacts for burst? i assume axion is better than inverted fury but fury is optimal outside of that?

[south cargo]

for highest damage its gotta be hawkeye and calming

[bold thunder]

iirc fury and calming are very close

[candid tusk]

with izanagis? i thought calming was bad with izanagi's

[bold thunder]

fury is slightly better if you're triggering the final shot in the mag

oh if you're using izi yeah fury is always better

[south cargo]

why is fury better

[bold thunder]

but if you're using izi on tan we probably need to start with why you're using izi on tan

[south cargo]

im using umeko

[bold thunder]

calming token stacks differently than other artifacts

[candid tusk]

is izanagis not optimal for the burst dps

animation canceling with abilities

[bold thunder]

it stacks with certain weapon buffs, which means certain weapons with high % buffs intrinsically (most snipers for example) severely reduce its effectiveness

[bold thunder]

unless new tech has been found, you can't (or can barely) animation cancel izi

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar What did you say about calming again?

[bold thunder]

so without umeko's reload speed buff, izi falls behind 40k the moment it has to reload, so it's only used on Tan in things like isaakis 1 shots where you don't need to reload

[bold thunder]

this was from a long time ago, so don't necessarily trust that it holds true today

[candid tusk]

yeah you can only cancel it 75% the way through

what's optimal perks on sidereal, searing mark and trinkle

[bold thunder]

obviously this is without tan's damage buff on izi, but the reload speed is more of a dps increase than the 10% t1

[bold thunder]

depends on context, generally I prefer frat

[bold thunder]

if you can fully activate trink (I think you need a team of 3 with everyone shielded) iirc the single mag burst is slightly higher, but frat's total dps is still comparable because of the reload speed buff

[twilit thistle]

Godrolls are Weapon ability solar vuln. Taniks and I calculated this yesterday,

[bold thunder]

but frat is just more consistent to activate in most cases

[south cargo]

yup ik

[candid tusk]

interesting. what's the good 4th perk to use with izanagis

arti

[south cargo]

bellicose or hawkeye

[candid tusk]

i assume bellicose, not hawkeye

[bold thunder]

if you can activate hawkeye, hawkeye is always best

[keen cave]

True

[candid tusk]

oh hawkeye is not precision, yeah, so hawkeye always then

then weapon enhance, ability str, solar boost, dmg bonus boost

[twilit thistle]

Preference. I dont use either of those. You want both eventually. (one of those and hawkeye)

[bold thunder]

there are probably very niche situations where super is better than ability, but yeah (at least for tan) those 4

not sure whether umeko wants debuff strength in place of ability or dbb

honestly idk umeko meta at all that's lucy's area