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[wide dagger]

? They gonna make a remastered to every old character now ?

[cosmic trellis]

Nobody is really happy about it

[wide dagger]

waaaaa , I want a new one

[cosmic trellis]

Yet another character without a mini campaign to go with it. Yay.

[south cargo]

Another character with no content to use it in

[open wedge]

Nah, it's just a players assumption and it all started with a single triumph

[cosmic trellis]

It was datamined by the guy who datamined helhest, maru and Jaren

Unfortunately it’s reliable.

[short locust]

I am

[cosmic trellis]

Happy for you

[short locust]

[obtuse magnet]

thanks

[wheat ferry]

She just better have her afro

Or I'll riot

[rough sedge]

Maybe they’ll mix it up and give us a version of her with more interesting weapons

[obtuse folio]

Disco Ikora

[fallow hound]

Ikora swimsuit skin

[subtle rose]

Like a shotgun since she usually has one in cutscenes for d2.

Maybe invective would get added then. It is her shotgun afterall

[sharp talon]

server is up

[wheat ferry]

They definitely won't😭 she is a LGL and RL user again💀

[sharp talon]

is this essence one worth?

[haughty swallow]

I'd buy it. I have one where it's a photon for 15 cores

[sharp talon]

wow nice!!

[haughty swallow]

kinda a scam tbh. especially if you aren't buying photons lol

[fallow hound]

That photon for cores one is so dumb

[fierce ridge]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

For a second I hoped they made a mistake and it should be the other way around... But then I remembered it's netease

[fierce ridge]

Yeah just saw it as well

Nice

[haughty swallow]

cores for photon actually nice

[empty kettle]

Fair trade

[fierce ridge]

Only one per day though... But tbh I like it

[cyan tide]

Cores are worth slightly more but with how rare photons are I'd say it's a fair trade

[signal spade]

The bright dust sparrow is faster than the silver one. We're so back

[gray pumice]

They post sth and tag everyone in this discord but only 2 reactions is crazy. This game is stacked with players

[south agate]

Gotta love when you code an entire destiny discord game that is more active than DR lmaoo

[wheat ferry]

The discord is full of bots that's why

[south agate]

This is unfortunately so true

Idek why I’m boosting this server honestly

[wheat ferry]

Pink >

[versed scroll]

What's the best setup for Maru?

[naive ingot]

Drifter being a scam like usual

[versed scroll]

What. I should have refreshed! Congrats btw!

I got the Exotic Weapon Box

[signal spade]

Fifteen cores is 80 pinnacle that's super worth but I also played myself

If only I hadn't upgraded every mythic weapon for no reason

[dusty spire]

Ohhh I like the exchange shop

For infusion

Niceee netease progress over time got better

Understand the model and play stop fighting it peps

[fallow hound]

Hope this is something that comes around more often

[signal spade]

Ya they could also just add dailies to the black market instead of weeklies only and the world would be a better place

[south cargo]

good job you can un upgrade them

[signal spade]

Ya idk if that trade is worth it anyway unless you just never use them

[south cargo]

yeah non of those trades are worth it awful exchange

[pulsar coral]

I got all cores with my offers, without seeing this one. Tomorrow I’ll be rolling for that!

No one is trading core for photon lol

[signal spade]

Why would you not trade cores for photon lol

Or is there a backwards version

[haughty swallow]

yea, there's a photon for cores one

[gusty bridge]

I got the opposite, I just reseted it.

[haughty swallow]

I'd show but can't post image

[signal spade]

LOL poor new lights

Someone out there def took it

[obtuse folio]

wu out here with "deals"

[gusty bridge]

Hes scamming as usual

[rotund raptor]

I got an exotic engram as reward

[cyan tide]

That's so bad
Also wtf 21 photons, are you an oil baron?

[signal spade]

Some people hoard their photons others waste them on mediocre guns

[gusty bridge]

Just save up, its a slow season, so we got some time

[cyan tide]

Does anyone know if bp weapon tokens can have a discount or are they always 25/50k?

[gusty bridge]

I never saw that on my end.

[wheat ferry]

Bottom row can't be discounted

[cyan tide]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-turning-into-ash-gif-5170814802321083685

[gusty bridge]

Youre stocking up for the next one?

[cyan tide]

No, trying to max out TLW. I didn't get the discounted one last season so now I need an extra 20 tokens 😔

[obtuse folio]

Thank you wu for the laugh 😆

[obtuse folio]

I do both 😆

[gusty bridge]

You can wait for the discount in the next BP

[cyan tide]

TLW won't be discounted

[signal spade]

Mfw I give drifter a photon for fifteen cores

[cyan tide]

I just noticed the face lol

[signal spade]

It's actually such a weird ghost shell why are the eyes like that LOL

[cyan tide]

Derpy dragon

[signal spade]

It's a horse 😭

[gusty bridge]

Who would have thought

[wheat ferry]

Derpy dragon sounds better though

[pulsar coral]

He’s pretty sly dude

[signal spade]

Why does the cat ask for blue fish,reject the fish that are actually blue and accept the hometown RED tetra

Need dogs in haven I can feed instead tbh

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/httyd-toothless-happy-funny-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-17151144899608947610

[signal spade]

Damn that's on point

[short locust]

[pulsar coral]

We can agree, the deals are win for sure

[signal spade]

Now we just need this to not be limited to once every 6 months for 5 days and we're good

[lean burrow]

imagine misclicking on this one

[rotund raptor]

Can we resset these?

[restive ruin]

🤮 what a scam lol

i also misread that pic at first and thought it said we get a photon, felt bad I didnt reroll for that option

[rotund flame]

Wtf 21 phtons?! Are you rich or do you not build weapons?

[obtuse folio]

Vault is stacked! Just need one more chaperone for the complete S1 set

[dusty spire]

They know how to utilise BM so they aren’t gated with progress over time

[empty kettle]

I'm getting flexed on

[obtuse folio]

Play everyday with fail

[rotund flame]

What? You mean buying BM currency with silver ? Makes sense, no way you get all that without spending a few

[wind scroll]

Does eveyone who name Freya here and she is from EMEA

[drowsy cypress]

Chatgpt ghost

[drowsy cypress]

nice deal

[obtuse folio]

Best deal for sure!

[old crane]

Are they ragebaiting us with these deals ? I cant believe its not on purpose

[dusty spire]

Nice to see another collector!

Done huckle now

[maiden osprey]

lol i have lots too

[dusty spire]

That’s the plan is to complete all the weopons from the first collection set released

Weapon flexibility opens up character potential

[south cargo]

ive only done polaris, izi, gallows and maha fully upgraded

[karmic chasm]

Is the new sparrow better than the broomstick?

[haughty swallow]

Exotic one seems slightly worse. Mythic one looks comparable.

[eager harbor]

HELLO

[karmic chasm]

Great than I don’t need it

[obtuse folio]

its the fallout horder in me 👍 haha

[sly hornet]

I made the mistake of going to a challenge mission without everything i needed (was missing explosive weapon)

That took over half an hour

[vast arch]

I can't believe this is real

Max speed sparrow for bright dust though? I'll take it

[naive ingot]

No drifter, no. My photons

[lean burrow]

i guess this happens when you hand over destiny to a online casino company that makes games

why should a game make an event that could penalize you

[pulsar coral]

Dude, I had to take a trip take at this. Asking myself, “hold on, is this real?”

[pulsar coral]

I forgot the furies III was even a weapon 🥱😂

[naive hare]

people are upset about the photon in the bazar right

[candid tusk]

to be fair, if you whale on black market and don't use pinnacle on legendary campaign then you have more photons than infusion cores

1 photon is actually cheaper than 15 cores in black market too

[pulsar coral]

Bro, do you agree with anyone? No one buys cores in black market

[candid tusk]

uhh, yeah lots of whales do at the top of overseer because they're only using pinnacle on chaos

nobody is spending pinnacle on legendary campaign except weeklies

if you can buy the cores with black market

[pulsar coral]

Lots of whales at the top is like 100-200 people of the player base…

[candid tusk]

sure but to pretend that this doesn't appeal to anyone and is dumb, is clearly false

because if you buy off the black market, this is actually a better deal unless you spend lots of pinnacle on legendary campaign

[mossy holly]

Am I gonna be forced to do expanse..

[vast arch]

so buy photon and sell for exotic core = profit?

[south cargo]

just did the impact side of 30-40 expanse on estela

[candid tusk]

you're limited to 3 photons, and 45 infusion cores per mon/fri reset. you need 390 cores, and 7 photos per weapon, so clearly you have a lot more photos than cores if you buy off the black market

[mossy holly]

I missed out on Estela 😭

[pulsar coral]

If you’re a top player, I’m sure their weapons are topped out anyways. They don’t need the cores.

[south cargo]

good she's not very good

[vast arch]

Estela is the best at what she does wdym

[candid tusk]

the main weapons are yes, but once again, top players are not spending pinnacle on legendary campaign, all chaos, all the time, so having a steady stream of cores is nice for hoarding and slowly getting more weapons when the meta changes

[frozen nimbus]

What are the best deals here? 🙈

[south cargo]

shes the best at what?

[vast arch]

summons and corruption

[dusty spire]

Just buy photons don’t get gated simple

[south cargo]

wow so good

[dusty spire]

Don’t over complicate a live service

[turbid field]

Uhhh why would they

It’s not like a lot of weapons are getting added to exotic meta lmao

[candid tusk]

sure, it's not needed after you have a hoard of mats, you can just slowly hoard and slowly get more photons from black market if you want after you get the main weapons for the characters

[bold thunder]

Oh god, this guy again?

[mossy holly]

Give me all your Clusters

[candid tusk]

i have every mythic character with weapon mastery 5 as well

[dusty spire]

In simple words if you spend money you can keep up with the progression loop

If you don’t you are subject to the lowest progression

[wheat ferry]

Easily the cutest lightbearer

[dusty spire]

Simple enjoy

[south cargo]

how much money spent?

[candid tusk]

uhh, a lot for sure, i have every t6 character

[dusty spire]

Thank you for supporting the game and devs

[weak ginkgo]

How much spent on what?

[thorny frost]

While for most people photons -> cores aren’t great, I do agree with Yliche actually, that there will be niche groups that might like to see it there. We get 10 rerolls at least so we just have to hope to get photons for most of us in those rerolls. If I don’t I am probably skipping wumings offers.

[turbid field]

bruh that’s actually crazy considering this game is at a crossroads rn

[weak ginkgo]

What material in that photo people are soo shocked about?

[frozen nimbus]

Has to be exotic cores. Yeah? Yeah?

[dusty spire]

It’s hoarding over time that’s all

[south cargo]

atleast youre honest

[south cargo]

the bottom currency

[half sky]

Been doing legendary campaign for over a month only got 1 to drop how u got 60?
I mostly buy them from black market

[candid tusk]

just black market

3 refreshes every mon/fri

[bold thunder]

They're fairly easy to come by if you whale bm

[half sky]

This the new event?

[weak ginkgo]

100$ for the dimond dice

[south cargo]

yup

[turbid field]

Don’t even say if you whale bm lol you don’t need to

[half sky]

They just want us to waste materials before new character drops i see

[weak ginkgo]

Welp if they haven't bought silver before ez

[turbid field]

the monthly pass plus bounties and stuff are enough to buy decent photons

Over time of course but yea

[half sky]

I'm not whaling them using them mindlessly these days maybe at some point I will 😂

[south cargo]

like they said tho they have t6 every character so idk just read

[dusty spire]

Ngl I’m a BM whale

I don’t like being gated

[bold thunder]

Given the volume, in this case I assume they're doing more than buying a couple items from the bm per week, but yes you don't necessarily need to whale to get enough mats

[dusty spire]

If you buy the weekly pinnacle cheap thing your getting two photons a week easy

Just convert the 180 silver

[weak ginkgo]

Tbh if you just go around and spend recourses for no reason you'll be fine. People just saw some saving and getting shocked lmao

[turbid field]

I don’t even see a point whaling on this game in general anymore besides getting favorites because there hasn’t been really much meaningful content that actually feels like something lately

[elder wing]

Imagine T6 eacb character in this game 🤣

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

Rossi 🥀

[turbid field]

there’s actually no point considering the game has no content besides like calamity and stuff where that matters and a majority of people will not be topping that out lol

[balmy raft]

wtf is this

[turbid field]

wtf 😭

[short locust]

Bait obviously

[empty kettle]

Classic drifter

[karmic chasm]

He’d do this in canon

[elder wing]

Get it

[vast arch]

seems like this is going to be a common post today

[haughty swallow]

yup lmao

[dusty spire]

Might have the disposable income lol

I’ll T6 all titans 😅

[elder wing]

Bruh still. Won’t waste a penny on it

[dusty spire]

When you have disposable income each to their own iykyk

[turbid field]

Fellas is it worth getting on for operation cordon if I have a t6 Jaren lol, he’s 1 of my 2 t6’s that I have. Is t6 Jaren the way or nah

[elder wing]

Noooo way guys nooo way this event omgggg nooooo waaayyy wth

[empty kettle]

For now until ikora comes in

[turbid field]

man.

[dusty spire]

Yeah for one character clear and the resources that come with it why skip that?

[daring stone]

IS IT REAL THAT NEXT CHARACTER IS IKORA AGAIN?

[drowsy cypress]

yes

[dusty spire]

Yes! Enjoy

[turbid field]

lol Ikora alter? what are her weapons

[dusty spire]

Same/same 😁

[indigo solar]

Relax guys, you can refresh it

[empty kettle]

Same as the 4 star (could be changed at launch)

[elder wing]

Nooo man this event wth. Game is dead I go now noo

[elder wing]

Dr players these days

[dusty spire]

If it’s the same as the 4* the original gonna get berried by the new one

[empty kettle]

Destiny players in general

[karmic chasm]

Was looking and hadn’t seen anyone post this:

[elder wing]

Just wait for the video to drop and youll see

[dusty spire]

The moan ones

[short locust]

Out of context schizo posting

[daring stone]

NetEase doesn't know what Destiny players want - of course Bungie didn't know

[turbid field]

To be fair the chances of it dying only look worse and worse lol

[indigo solar]

My drifter is giving a really bad deal? Has anyone else had this? Haven't seen it mentioned so wondering if maybe it's bugged

[pulsar coral]

split personality fighting with themselves 😂

[elder wing]

Yeah such let down man. Dmn what shall we do now… I think game is dead ngl yeah sad man

[turbid field]

I mean matchmaking might as well be dead sometimes 😭

[elder wing]

Yet here we are ha

[dusty spire]

We need power hours, time periods in the day that increase player count.

[elder wing]

Yeah. Ngl dr players are crazy

[dusty spire]

Like 5% drop rate increase for 2 hours

[turbid field]

we need people lol. we just need more people playing and content to actually keep people wanting to play

[dusty spire]

So you lead active sessions

[elder wing]

Yeah no one has it yet only you

[bold thunder]

It's not as bad as it sounds - you can sell 2 exotic canisters for 1280 each to the bm per week, so over the course of 7.5 weeks you can sell back the 15 for 19200, which is only an 800 token loss

Seems worth it to me

[dusty spire]

Yes and this could be one way to encourage that by having time periods where activeness is increased this helps new and existing players

[karmic chasm]

Good thing I already uninstalled it for a bit

I just got so insanely bored one weekend I didn’t have the motivation to log in

[elder wing]

4 months and counting

[turbid field]

I stopped playing the second I got Arknights endfield lol

[tight talon]

+1, I just dont have any motivation, Free leaves? who cares man 🙁

[elder wing]

Yall have to go and touch some

[dusty spire]

Welcome to daily gatcha loop

That’s the model

[elder wing]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-6112271

[dusty spire]

Bite sized play

If you want a 3 course meal your gonna have to look for those types of games

These are live service progress over time games

Maybe you want to much to eat

[tight talon]

tis fine if it wasnt mobile only. Mobile Only game and having nothing is just nah, not worth calling it "bite size"

[empty kettle]

2 major updates this year ( 2 mini expansions) and another set of major updates for next year (1 big expansion that will fully revive this game and another mini expansion)

[dusty spire]

Lots of games on the market built to be played for several hours, this is not built like that

But I get it, players already exposed to the heavy Destiny original and compare it

[elder wing]

Itssss aaa mobileee game felllaasssss

[dusty spire]

It’s a mobile game….

[karmic chasm]

Absolutely true.

[elder wing]

Mobilleeeeee

[dusty spire]

Bite sized

Destiny Lite

Could have also worked

[karmic chasm]

Exactly! I’m not even logging in for my leaves 💀

[bold thunder]

Very odd IP choice if that was the intention

[dusty spire]

This to me has always been a digital collectors game, collect attendance short play.

[elder wing]

Until it goes outa that box don’t expect too much. They can’t just expend everything over night…. It’s a dmn mobile game

[dusty spire]

Sorry I disagree best up choice compared to the overwhelming anime titles/themes out there

[elder wing]

Give it a time. If not move to candy crush

[dusty spire]

Your playing gatcha games from two different companies with similar looking heroes

Why are you paying for the same thing but on a different game/playform?

[bold thunder]

No my point is Destiny is known for players who play for many many hours in a sitting (raid races for example often taking double digit hours for the first clear)

[dusty spire]

Collecting the same reused heroes

[dusty spire]

Thanks for the clarification, but you can see they have even tried that with crota!

And it was amazing

Let’s not go on like the first few days of crota was not epic

[bold thunder]

Expecting that playerbase to be comfortable with a "hour a day" model seems odd to me

[elder wing]

Yeah but 2 different factors with rising. 1 mobile 2 gacha

[dusty spire]

Looking forward to doing these mobile converted raids in the future

[bold thunder]

I understand that, but they clearly at least tried to market the game to destiny players

[drowsy cypress]

Devs must do a activity rotation in week to make game playable. Too many activities permanently opened is bad

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure how many people remaining are from destiny, but I do know that no one I knew from the raid farming scene is still here

[elder wing]

They tried. But Destiny players aint into gacha stuff…

[dusty spire]

This, to much players have options to scatter around

But that means the events need to be more lengthy

Better quality of play over time

[bold thunder]

Yeah that's kind of my point, it seems like an odd decision to design a marketing strategy around marketing this genre to a playerbase like D2s

[dusty spire]

But all we get is with timed completion walls

[drowsy cypress]

i see a tons of people in tower/openworld

[bold thunder]

Just such wildly different genres of games

[elder wing]

Bruh. People from destiny never took this game seriously to begin with…. Players that are playing it are new players or players never played destiny before

[dusty spire]

Like I said power hours might be a good one

[indigo solar]

This is just factually incorrect

[bold thunder]

I agree, crota is one of the few things in this game I feel like actually feels like a destiny activity

[elder wing]

Aha sure bud sure

[drowsy cypress]

i played d1 orig+ttk and d2 orig+forsaken only

[elder wing]

People from destiny just comes for a new raid and leave what not true about it?

[indigo solar]

The "never took this seriously" part

[elder wing]

Yeab but that only 0.0000000.0000001 % from the whole community

[bold thunder]

I think that's true for the most part, but there are definitely a few who did (I new a decent number of the names in the gauntlet race and the early gauntlet farming/speedrunning scene)

[indigo solar]

First couple months were full of d2 players engaging with the game with legitimate interest

[bold thunder]

Most of the people from that community who did give it a chance left after a few weeks when they realized that raid farming was kind of shallow here

[elder wing]

Engaged with the game and took it seriously are completely different things. They were around to see wasss up and then… boooom all gone

[drowsy cypress]

yes, and im ok with content, but angry of bad interface (its VERY BAD, mostly in social options) and queue disign

i just cant find live channels

[elder wing]

This game was never taken seriously from OG destiny players! Ones the raid comes Destiny community pops in… cuz that all Destiny is known about hard core Raids

[drowsy cypress]

almost all is lowpop or dead, need tons of refresh

[inner sinew]

As a casualized D2 player who got flawless raids up until Lightfall but got bored and uninstalled around EoF I still log into Rising lol, I'm fine with a daily ritual mindless grind

[bold thunder]

I mean true, but what other content was there to keep that type of player engaged? I only stayed because I enjoyed farming Isaakis but similarly I disliked most of the rest of the late game content

If they were planning to market to D2 players, it just feels odd that they seem to have produced so little content that feels like D2 activities (from a more meta gameplay loop perspective)

[drowsy cypress]

Add solo endless dungeon like in diablo series and ladder+giod rewards

[elder wing]

None. Cuz this game is a mobile game lmao… it won’t be the thing we all expected… it won’t be in the future till they go all out and sony steps in. Till then only couple raids and miner updates

[drowsy cypress]

add 3v3 pvp, remove SG fir rework

[naive ingot]

That be nice tbf, as Master is a tad easy

[bold thunder]

I mean there are clearly a decent number of people who enjoy at least the framework thats here

[wheat ferry]

People from destiny came because they thought it would play like destiny but it doesn't so they left. People only returned for crotas end leaderboard rush and the big streamers were paid to play it too so their audience would jump on to check it out too but they weren't going to stick around and be long time players

[bold thunder]

Who knows whether the devs will be able to harness that

[drowsy cypress]

Devs can add even 1v1 pvp with "tekken style", when u can use 5 of u heroes

[frozen nimbus]

Just give us more to farm. Like 1000 shards for an ornament throught 10 different planets

[drowsy cypress]

sad but netease cant monetize this game well

[elder wing]

Won’t happen bud. Yo gonna log in for 10/15 min daily and out

[bold thunder]

Yeah, my original point was that Destiny seems like an odd IP to use for a gacha, because the base games are so fundamentally different that the playerbase isn't very transferable

[tight talon]

you are overestimating player skill. Had a Calamity run where Jaren was staying behind Kabr's shield and killing every single enemy instead of going forward with me and deleting Key Targets. Expert II btw

This game is solely dying cause everything is given on a spoon under pretext of mobile game so has to be bite size

[elder wing]

They not even trying to… what people don’t understand and see is. They not even trying lmao they even made a mew trailer with a new game already…. They’re not around it’s a dmn mobile game

The whole game is based on AI… what yall understand lol

[wheat ferry]

It would have worked as a gacha if you pulled for subclasses/abilities rather than characters tbh but if pinnacle and crafting engrams weren't a thing it would be closer to the destiny experience

[south cargo]

yeah i load up new event and get helhests who do 20% damage player skill is very low

[drowsy cypress]

even me (non it or game spec) can see a tons of possibilities to monetize it well, and sell this game as "non-anime gatcha"

[south cargo]

me on umeko doing 40% damage they do 20% on the most broken character

[tight talon]

Lemme assume, T6 HH and Trinity Ghoul innit

[south cargo]

nah they using queenbreaker

[tight talon]

thats a hella low bar

[signal spade]

i do kinda wish they had done something to the art style of this game

couldve made it a little bit more cartoony rather than looking exactly like d1/2

colors are so like bland

[south cargo]

its a mobile game

[dusty spire]

Facts

[signal spade]

i just meant the art style is dated

all the gachas now have similar stylizing/bright colors

game feels more catered to the destiny dinosaurs not enough to the fornite zoomers

[drowsy cypress]

whats about raid shadiw legends🤣

[turbid field]

It has to live that long to even hope to see that

[signal spade]

raids kinda a dinosaur at this point too i think

[drowsy cypress]

wwm then

[signal spade]

wwm looks a LOT better than this game graphics wise

pc port plz

but yea wwm art is a lot more realistic thats true

[drowsy cypress]

yes, but played awfully anywhere lol. Too much buttons, harder than old WoW

[signal spade]

yea its a pc game they shrunk onto the phone

now a phone game they put on the pc

[drowsy cypress]

thay bad on pc too, u need fully bibded razer naga

[signal spade]

yea theres a lot of keybinds for sure

[mossy holly]

Mannn Idk what to do with all these 😭

[tight talon]

4? i got 7 lol

[signal spade]

roll your favorite artifact you dont have the godroll of then get mad when it gives you arc solar void super

[bitter estuary]

woah

[signal spade]

damn kevarrh had the juice

[bitter estuary]

the way you can grind mods now

😂

so this requires 0 pinnacle essentially

[signal spade]

no pinnacle energy for pinacle energy good deal

[indigo solar]

yep this is the best common deal

you want to reroll for piss jars to photon, then reroll for this for your last 2

[bitter estuary]

exactly lol

clearly netease did not test this out

[signal spade]

could be bait, maybe it prioritizes the stuff you have little of

[elder wing]

Woow what noo way man that crazy

[little vine]

Lfg

[elder wing]

For what? Public event?

[empty kettle]

Just like d1 and d2

[signal spade]

we just need destiny rising:forsaken next year that sends us into the cabal homeworld to fight xivu arath with our new red subclass

then we're good

[empty kettle]

We need ttk or forsaken content to TRULY save this game and continue the destiny tradition

[signal spade]

true bad first years are a staple of destiny

we haven't hit the 'we're listening' stage or the one where they add neomuna so we're still safe

[empty kettle]

Should have my expectations for next year since that's where we truly get mountains worth of content

[hidden carbon]

Except Netease doesn't have the incentive to do so cause it's not the main property that their investments were sunken into like Destiny was for Bungie

[signal spade]

yea but at the same time they asked for the ip to make this game they couldve just made this like any other ip

and with spring break beach skins

[elder wing]

What will save this game is eos after season 4. So we all be at rest

[elder wing]

No response? Guess we all agree

Naaah server dead… game is dead dmmmnn noooo

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[naive ingot]

Sorry too busy to post...

[sturdy geyser]

[naive ingot]

[bold thunder]

busy trying to play the game

[tight talon]

There's no need for saving

They are banking on new players spending and being content with it

[gusty bridge]

Someone posted this on reddit.

[tight talon]

Jesus

Don't tell me she's Mainline Ikora

[gusty bridge]

Thats from shadowshaper when you duel her

[haughty swallow]

could've gone bald or full head of hair. chose secret 3rd option

[hidden carbon]

Edgykora

[obtuse folio]

Got her hair did 😆

[hidden carbon]

Why she got the titan butt towel though

[obtuse folio]

That salon is a miracle worker

[tight talon]

Just how Maru got that Warlock Robe

[hidden carbon]

Touche

[gusty bridge]

I fixed it to my preference…🤣 😎

[obtuse folio]

Her alternates better have multiple styles of hair 😆

she looks like storm in that one haha

[gusty bridge]

Thats what i told chatgpt lol

[elder wing]

Well ikora might be strong ngl… might just get her as there won’t be new characters lmao

[gusty bridge]

If she is the banner next week, Im def gonna draw.

[short locust]

Kinda tough ngl

[elder wing]

No ifs lol she is the banner for sure

[gusty bridge]

It could be a toad precision with scout and linear

[neat valley]

I have 40

Close enough

The little ops thing gave me this lol

[indigo solar]

She's about to break her wrist, her nose and her cheekbone

[gusty bridge]

I prefer that too

[karmic chasm]

I hope she’s definitively worse than Maru in every way

[tight talon]

unfortunately

pre release kit gives her CD reduction, auto reload and even ammo overflow on dash

so pretty much better spread unit than maru

[finite yew]

We got ikora with hair before gta 6

[unborn turtle]

Ikora is confirmed?

[short locust]

No

[lunar jay]

hi chat, whats rising next patch

[empty kettle]

Her outfit looks like a better version of her vanguard outfit

[dusty spire]

Before she got powered up she had hair?

I don’t know destiny lore

[neat valley]

Having a dash already makes her better than Maru

Speed is everything

[dusty spire]

Don’t disrespect queen

[neat valley]

Queen helhest yeah

[dusty spire]

Ikora will be different she’s direct CC ability control

Maru is flex on both

[short locust]

Imagine a previous 4* creeping Gwynn and Maru

[sharp talon]

add salvo to ikora

[empty kettle]

Crazy

[dusty spire]

This ikora is more ability based

But I’d like to see how her control function work

[empty kettle]

And she can generate overshields and heal

[dusty spire]

Control weapon and control ability

[short locust]

Crept Rossi too

[neat valley]

Maru always just stands there and stares at things with her big shield

[dusty spire]

Yeah I’d like to see how strong her weapon damage build is

But from experience ikora functions better in ability damage I think.

[neat valley]

Ikoras super will def out power Marus

[indigo solar]

Old ikora was already heavily ability based

[wheat ferry]

I personally can't wait for 4* cayde and then 5* cayde 6 weeks later

[empty kettle]

5* Ikora is definitely going to the standard banner

[neat valley]

5 star wolf soon

[indigo solar]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[sharp talon]

we need a 10 star helhest

[empty kettle]

5.5 star wolf will be peak

[karmic chasm]

I’ll be mad if he isn’t just an immediate 5* release

[lunar jay]

do we know whos after kabr 2

[indigo solar]

Ikora 2

[neat valley]

New version of wolf comes out when the gampaign drops

[lunar jay]

wow 2

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ikora-rey-gif-18614500

[karmic chasm]

New Ikora?

[indigo solar]

Desense Gampaign my beloved

[lunar jay]

What about the exotic?

[short locust]

Maybe, I'm just yapping lol

[empty kettle]

🤷‍♂️

[indigo solar]

Probably truth

[wheat ferry]

We need ikora with savathuns voice🫦

[lunar jay]

big if truth

[empty kettle]

IF they don't change her weapon

[karmic chasm]

Don’t look in my Savathun folder

[elder wing]

If ikora. She gonna be spread and shottie

[indigo solar]

Leaked kit is same weapons

[wheat ferry]

Edge of fate gave ikora savathuns VA😂🤣

[empty kettle]

But is always subject to change at anytime before release

[lunar jay]

foreshadowing 🗿

[dusty spire]

I ended up with control weapon damage at max potential. It rocks but even the dev recommended says ability does more

[elder wing]

It will change

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[karmic chasm]

Leaks have been slightly off before, but idk about this one. Feel like it’s all real

[dusty spire]

Like weapon damage ikora slaps but it’s definitely a different play style

You have to litrally be in the face of enemies with rocket launchers

[neat valley]

Ikora is our savior

Just accept it

[indigo solar]

Donovan*

[lunar jay]

loads nova bomb into the chamber

[elder wing]

Who is our bruh… we already have hel

[wheat ferry]

I mean even trailers and CC showcases have been off to😭

[indigo solar]

Donovan is the realest person in the entire game

[dusty spire]

Ngl if she bangs I’ll max her after the event if it’s like Kabr lol I’m a sucker for ikora, even though I like titans

[neat valley]

I’m waiting for the wolf upgrade

[dusty spire]

Only warlock I’d pull for tbf

[neat valley]

Skipping Ikora

[dusty spire]

Really like her

[karmic chasm]

Crazy tbh

Can’t believe I defended this game for so long

[dusty spire]

Hard skip or soft?

[karmic chasm]

I think gacha gaming is a garbage genre.

[indigo solar]

Oh yeah meant to mention this earlier, but this week's story mentions Braytech on Europa :)

[neat valley]

hard skip for me , everyone else’s will t6 her and I’ll just tag along

[empty kettle]

Would be peak to see wolf enter the sentinel form against the ahamkara

[neat valley]

Save my resources for a actual new character

[dusty spire]

I’m feeling the same lol I want the solar titan

Need to use jotuun

[elder wing]

There’s no soft skip for that bald headed demon… save em for next banner

[wheat ferry]

Idk what the story is about 😂

[dusty spire]

My bid the banner after ikora is a solar titan

Impact / spread

[neat valley]

She will be put in the normal banner anyways like kabr she’s never leaving the pool

[empty kettle]

"Wolf banner appears"

[karmic chasm]

Desthiny

[dusty spire]

I’d be soooo annoyed lol

I feel Wolf would be a here you go 5*

[neat valley]

He will probably get a visual upgrade

[wheat ferry]

Sentinel wolf which is just the sentinel ultimate and nothing else new

[neat valley]

Turning into a alpha wolf 💀

[drowsy cypress]

And destiny Rising gives Radegast "muh", "eh" AI VA🤣

[dusty spire]

Thinking like a true dev lol

[karmic chasm]

They should have let me develop this game

[neat valley]

With the outfit you like buy from spending silver

As well

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-elite-knight-fantasy-sword-great-sword-gif-17782074

[karmic chasm]

I’ve got imagination for days

[dusty spire]

Facts looool

[karmic chasm]

Budget limits be damned

[empty kettle]

Me like greatsword

[karmic chasm]

Me fr (secretly a dex main)

[dusty spire]

Finnala 5* better not happen right away

[gusty bridge]

5 star wolf in season 4, and you get t6 playing through campaign …

[neat valley]

Talking about a budget when the company owners are rolling in billions

[dusty spire]

Atleast give us a perm banner pause lol

[karmic chasm]

How about never

[neat valley]

even a failed game doesn’t affect them

[dusty spire]

Shes my favourite character style. - the outfit

[karmic chasm]

I’m just saying I have the imagination to fix the game 😎

[drowsy cypress]

i guess we should get system like l2m to fuse 4* and 5* into 6* Pregnant radegast

[karmic chasm]

PREGNANT RADEGAST??!

[neat valley]

I want the light companions to Infuse with us

[drowsy cypress]

yes, 6* exclusive

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-slamming-card-on-table-gif-21126320

[dusty spire]

Solar xuan would be a shock to the system

Fire uppercuts

HH couldn’t be made another way

Loool

I don’t like her

[neat valley]

Preg radegast with a baby ahamkara as a sidekick

[neat valley]

Boom

[dusty spire]

I hope we out play that hero lol

[short locust]

How could you?

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/noctis-pgr-punishing-gray-ravens-cerberus-punch-gif-14067490064865841878

[drowsy cypress]

ofc. U should fuse all copys of 5* HH to get 1 6* pregnant radegast

[neat valley]

new tech

[bitter estuary]

i loved noctis from pgr if they added this to destiny rising it'd be bomb

[karmic chasm]

Actually in ds3 my stats are so high there really isn’t a main thing for me

I’m pretty sure str, faith, and dex and all completely maxed as well as some others

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguybot-dante-dance-gif-8165497883082958826

https://tenor.com/view/dante-devil-may-cry-gif-4851149653862696504

[thorny frost]

Dante support when

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc3-devil-may-cry-dmc-dante-dante-dmc-gif-13870757103770340204

[short locust]

Jackpot!

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/jackpot-devil-may-cry-gun-dante-pose-gif-14329655

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-nero-dmc-devil-may-cry-pachislot-handshake-gif-8938759133053283096

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-epic-homies-gif-9521752892117213032

[gusty bridge]

Already leaked 😂😂😂

[short locust]

Concerto and a Mythic sword

[gusty bridge]

New battlepass Ebony and Ivory

[serene ingot]

average dr experince on emulator

[short locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276038314847113308/1291437524593541141/image0.gif

[bitter estuary]

balls

another day another crota grind

[twilit thistle]

Meanwhile: some random build I put 0 effort into gets to wave 21 (I’ve never gotten past wave 20).

[neat valley]

That would be a instant sellout

[neat valley]

I’ve never had that happen once on emulation, but I use bluestacks

[serene ingot]

everytime there is an update my game refuses to work for a minute i used to be on bluestacks but it started lagging like crazy so i had to swich

[neat valley]

have you updated the actual emulator ?

Sometimes it doesn’t auto update and that could be causing the issues

[serene ingot]

yes i have it started working after restarting twice

[twilit thistle]

I’m not even gonna comment on the things I saw this morning, like portrait mode on iOS, and an event that wants for 15

[neat valley]

No way they are asking for photons

The whole cabal army would be needed to take those from me

[south agate]

That wouldnt be enough for me to give them away.

[coral chasm]

Other way around, 15 pee jars for a photon

[empty kettle]

Worth it

[indigo solar]

Both trades are possible

[cyan tide]

The one that gives a photon for 15 cores is pretty good, other way around is a scam

[dusty spire]

It’s the same price

So tbf it’s just an equal swap

If your low on photons then yeah it’s not viable

But if your weapon collection is not needing photons you can see why the exchange could be viable

Photons are quite cheap In BM considering the drop rate is so low

[empty kettle]

Give 15th cores = 1 photon. Give photon = 15 cores

[cyan tide]

Photons are way more rare, 15 cores you can get with half a day worth of pinnacle

[dusty spire]

Those exchanges are for the whales who have over stacked photons

Just another access route to progression

[cyan tide]

If they have an abundance of photons then they're probably swimming in cores as well

[dusty spire]

Not if they are in chaos farm mode

Like I said just another progression route

Use it or snooze it

[cyan tide]

You can get cores from the black market as well, plus those Pandora deals thatI never get

It doesn't make sense for a whale to stock on photons but not cores

[dusty spire]

Sorry what I mean is when you go for chaos burns your returns with cores drops for fine tuning heroes arts.

The same is for cores focus, weapon progress increases but then character progression declines.

So your picking what side of the progression loop you want

[twilit thistle]

Further, it doesnt make sense to stock on just photons and cores, when you need additional copies to max a weapon.

[dusty spire]

You can play balanced but that’s annoying imo

[cyan tide]

Whales probably clear the store every reset

[dusty spire]

Well nothing wrong with having the resources and then the items to max progress

[indigo solar]

Photons are both more rare and more expensive than 15 cores, the only time the trade would make sense is if you've gotten ridiculously lucky and gotten dozens of photons from campaign

[dusty spire]

I’m not a whale but I clear it up lol

[dusty spire]

Or you’ve over brought/gained photons and want to exchange for progressive reasons

[cyan tide]

Photons are actually cheaper, I also thought they were more expensive but 15 cores are worth 22500 coins while a photon is worth 20000

[dusty spire]

You ain’t going anywhere without one or the other together at some point of the weapon upgrade

Btw how many BM coins do we get free a week?

[cyan tide]

If you do it every reset you definitely are a whale, f2p and blessing buyers don't get nearly enough to buy everything every week

[dusty spire]

Spending 2.99 a week is not a whale

I buy bread at that price

That’s service using lol

Unless I’m missing the point?

The monthly subscription is cheaper than Xbox live lol ( I don’t use)

[twilit thistle]

Everyone forgets choice engrams 😔 . >

[dusty spire]

Because weapons are easy to upgrade over time

Why do these look like cigarette 🚬 butts in an astray 😒😂

[cyan tide]

I have like 200 parameters, you can craft an engram for free every other week

[dusty spire]

Chain smoker lol

[cyan tide]

Worse case scenario it takes 5 weeks to get enough parameters to craft 4 copies of an exotic, meanwhile I haven't had a single photon drop since the start of season 2

[twilit thistle]

😭 ive crafted 1 per week since I hit max, shortly after launch. (no black market)

[rare plover]

When's the new character being announced usually

[neat valley]

Used to , now there’s no point

no new characters

[indigo solar]

Exotics are free

[twilit thistle]

So are photons and cores.

[indigo solar]

No?

They either cost pinnacle or black market coins

[neat valley]

I had a 100 engram choices for the crota weapons too

[modern pasture]

U can get 1 photon per day?

[neat valley]

But I already have the god rolls so they are useless

[neat valley]

I just bought the 20 each week and it stacked up fast

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/scourge-thor-ragnarok-my-stuff-gif-14269794

[neat valley]

We need a vault for sure

So we can horde our useless items

[twilit thistle]

(other than jade these are the ones that are actually upgraded and usable)

[pulsar coral]

How is sweet business for wolf?

[twilit thistle]

Time is the most valuable resource in the game. I just meant that everyone literally forgets that u can get 1 per week. Most common thing I hear.

[pulsar coral]

I feel like people would like auto rifles, I’m surprised they haven’t released more characters for them

[gusty bridge]

Netease been dodging rapid fire.

[pulsar coral]

Pretty wack tbh

I like the playstyle

[twilit thistle]

no idea, its ready if I need it tho. That was the goal, being able to handle pretty much any unexpected character design NetEase could release.

[indigo solar]

Rookie numbers

[fallow hound]

When are we likely to get the Ikora trailer

[gusty bridge]

Tomorrow or this weekend

[twilit thistle]

Its to the point that I couldn't even open them all if i wanted to. I have an estimated 400 mythics with all mythic rolls.

[neat valley]

Haha

[neat valley]

Amazing

[limber pine]

Dem I thought I had a lot LOL

[neat valley]

We need to get off the game i think 💀

[twilit thistle]

Side effects of enjoying morgrans too much.

[neat valley]

And playing since the start

I’m just helping the new lights out so they don’t quit the game 😂

I’ll carry them in content so they get their gear faster

[indigo solar]

That's crazy, I've only got about 200 double mythics but at least I have the g roll on everything and enough shards to get the g roll on any new gun that comes out

[sinful totem]

You run sweet business for wolf?

[indigo solar]

Currently chilling at 18.5k shards

[cosmic heron]

I feel that, I think I've got like 100000 mythic Engram parameters

[cyan tide]

And that's why they add a weekly limit lol, most people would get all possible rolls of every new weapon day 1

[pulsar coral]

15 mins wait, then gave up waiting for Stage 1 clear on my alt account. Great content :))

[turbid field]

I got a t6 jaren ally who didnt even pick up buffs for stage 7. lol.

[pulsar coral]

this inventory got my brain fried 😂 it’s giving off 1000 items in the vault on d2😂

[pulsar coral]

I’m a T6 Jaren and I didn’t start till stage 4-5 but that was on day 1 and I didn’t know lol

[turbid field]

wanna help me get out of stage 7 lol?

[pulsar coral]

I understand why the long wait, most people by now are past stage 1, still a pain

[pulsar coral]

Sure I can, I’m on NA

[turbid field]

t6 jaren gang rise up

[turbid field]

my uid is 20501330743 and my name is talulah

[short locust]

[twilit thistle]

😔 id trade all of them for t4 towers

[turbid field]

this sounds like an ai response copy pasta

[pulsar coral]

It won’t be till later though:/

[twilit thistle]

😭

[naive ingot]

I try too. Was gonna help a returning player today but they gone. Also replied to help someone get there Attal gold medal and they never replied back.

[opal shuttle]

Games pretty much a lost cause at this point,

[wide dagger]

True , tho it’s soo good , but I guess ppl don’t like it

[opal shuttle]

It’s stale! Just wanna put new chars out and charge tons of money for them and put new skins out, but everyone is screaming for new real content

[thorny frost]

A question to ask is how often should gamers expect “new” content? And not just saying content we like because that is arbitrary. But Crota/Bulwarks ops was just 5 weeks ago release which both would have taken a reasonable amount of development time. Actual new content monthly I don’t really seeing happening in live service games often.

[vast arch]

Ask Borderlands 4 players lol

[thorny frost]

Has it been like a forever for them? XD

[short locust]

Players will always chew through content leagues faster than Devs can create more, but this isn't a secret to anyone. This is why efficiency is paramount to successful live service games

[gritty rune]

Whilst that’s true, most live service games make scalable, replayable content to pad it out for as long as possible

The issue imo is that the rewards just aren’t there

[short locust]

100%

[gritty rune]

Like, Crota is fun. But there’s no point running it after like a week since once you get symmetry you’re basically done

Same with bulwark, same with GM LC where the big complaint was that it’s just normal LC but faster

No matter how good the content is, if it doesn’t have longevity, it won’t keep players around

[bold thunder]

In theory you'd like the game to both have good rewards and for the content to be enjoyable enough to stand on its own regardless of rewards

[short locust]

Bonus if it doesn't take 18 months to develop

[bold thunder]

They decided instead to go with low effort content with no good rewards

[gritty rune]

Yeah, ofc but once you run something for 50+ times, the enjoyment is gonna start tipping towards hos good the loot feels

[thorny frost]

I can agree with all those complaints, and honestly most live service games I have seen try to do cycling events (like Morgan’s hunt) where it has good limited rewards but also slight alterations too it. I was mostly comment on the idea of “they just want to release skins and characters”, we have gotten some form of content regularly (blitz for season 2) just the replay ability hasn’t been there.

[bold thunder]

Idk, I did 700 deep stone crypts despite maxing the drop table after about 50

Destiny has historically had a lot of content that was enjoyable/replayable without necessarily caring about the loot

[short locust]

Yeah you're different, no offense

[bold thunder]

I mean, true

[turbid field]

Why is stage 7 of operation cordon tough with randoms 🧍

And then I see leaderboards some guy is at stage 33 like 😭

[short locust]

I had that GM tism, not that raid tism

[gritty rune]

It’s pretty shocking how few guns that are worth building we get tbh

[thorny frost]

That is because they didn’t use matchmaking XD. Communication makes content a lot easier

[gritty rune]

We’ve had like 1 new perk rollable on guns since launch?

We need more cosmetic rewards if they aren’t gonna add new guns for balancing purposes tbh

[bold thunder]

The BiS for both scout and sniper is still release exotics and gauntlet mythics smh

[short locust]

I'll be honest, and this is a gripe I have with all RPGs tbf. Why are we spending Dev time on perks and stats and models for gear that will never see use 99% of the time?

[gritty rune]

Like the default cosmetic rewards they give is just titles and emblems

What’s even the point

[bold thunder]

in theory, future perks/perk combinations may make a previously irrelevant perk relevant

[rose wasp]

I'm confused they said they updated snap dragon 8 but my galaxy 25 ultra still says no 120 option in game

[bold thunder]

but that requires releasing said future perks/perk combos

[short locust]

I get that much, but blue and purple perks are literally worthless, and mythic perks without a mod are iffy

[gritty rune]

The problem is that it’s a gacha. They cant ever nerf a character so if a new weapon makes a character overpowered it causes irreparable damage to the game’s balance

Like look at HH

[bold thunder]

I'm guessing they did so to make the earlygame feel more like D2's progressing system

[short locust]

D2's systems are terrible

[gritty rune]

Arbalest came out and now you just need HH cos you can use her for anything that’s not spread or RF

[thorny frost]

Honestly some perks could see more use based on unit release too. Synergy with weapon mastery could make more weapons viable. But our option are heavily limited, most weapons have 1-3 units most that can use them.

[bold thunder]

While true, they can just power creep. While people often lament power creep, in the absense of nerfs, it's usually more healthy for a game than a stale meta

[short locust]

Reminds me of when The First Descendant copied Warframe's mod system (which imo is wack too) and made it worse

[thorny frost]

Release a modifier “damage against shinkas that doesn’t match damage type won’t hurt their shield”

[gritty rune]

But then you disincentivise whaling because what’s the point when the thing you spent £300 or whatever on is good as a T0 in 3 months time

[bold thunder]

yeah lol, D2's systems are a spaghetti of things designed by multiple different teams over the course of a decade, having passed through like 4 different complete redesigns over the years

[gritty rune]

Gacha is just a terrible business model

[short locust]

Just sounds like Gacha innately is a bad system that is only good at suckering ppl out of money

[gritty rune]

It is. There’s zero benefit to it for players

[bold thunder]

you could argue that in theory, the steep costs result in higher dev budgets

Destiny Rising obviously wouldn't have ever been made had it not been a gacha

[gritty rune]

I mean, WWM costs both more than DR to make and makes more money

[bold thunder]

whether that justifies the downsides is up to the individual I guess

[gritty rune]

And it’s made by the same company

[bold thunder]

Isn't that also a gacha?

[rose wasp]

Is there any1 in chat that uses a s25 ultra

[gritty rune]

No. Only things you can pay/gacha for are cosmetics

[mossy holly]

Mythic Kabr is the first that got 72k power.

[thorny frost]

It is but it also lower the bar of entry for gamers, while allowing for the company to still make some money. Before hand (except through pirating and a few games) most games would of had to be boughten. Other payment options could work for more successful titles but just “selling cosmetics” won’t get everyone to spend and more games would probably die.

[mossy holly]

And I still struggle on 40/40

[gritty rune]

Shop has nothing that affects progression in it

I mean, e.g Warframe makes what 150-200m a year?

[thorny frost]

Warframe thrives on selling everything almost literally tho

[gritty rune]

That revenue vs Genshin’s revenue of like 1bil a year basically makes no difference for the quality of the game

[thorny frost]

Their player shops allows anyone to basically become a spending outlet for “whales” by transferring their time to buy things they need/speed up.

[gritty rune]

Yes, but it’s not gacha

You don’t have to gamble for frames or get massive FOMO

They actually buff older frames, and they can nerf things

[short locust]

I'll be honest, budgets have inflated for literally no reason. We don't need to hire a mf that makes coffee for the guy that makes coffee lmao

Managing a budget is a Dev problem. If you can't, don't make games

[bold thunder]

this seems like an intensionally ignorant take

[thorny frost]

It isn’t, but that model won’t work for all games is what I am saying. The “grind forever” doesn’t always work and the only way for the player shop to work is to have a healthy enough community that the premium currency is abundant enough to pass around. Warframe did well, but they do literally sell everything instead of making it a gacha (character slots/weapon slots needing to be bought).

[bold thunder]

these companies aren't generally just throwing money away on nothing

the decision making can be suspect sometimes, and that often results in commercial failures

but they're not intentionally wasting money

[short locust]

Tell that to AAA idk man

I've seen nothing but the opposite

[bold thunder]

you know a company that has a coffee person for the coffee person?

[gritty rune]

Warframe makes most of its money on cosmetics though

[short locust]

If you took that literally, lol

[bold thunder]

I didn't, my point was that the claim sounds good but it's unsupported

[gritty rune]

And WWM makes all its money on cosmetics. And $40k party boats

[thorny frost]

I would like to actually see how much premium currency is removed from the game for unlocking slots for weapons/frames compared to cosmetics.

[gritty rune]

Oh yeah and that

[bold thunder]

Most games have such high budgets becuase making a AAA game is just a really expensive undertaking now

[short locust]

Assassin's Creed budgets started at around 20 mil, with reports for Shadows being 116 to 200 mil

[thorny frost]

I know when I played I spent the premium currency I got from the shop (which someone paid for for the most part) on unlocking that stuff

[gritty rune]

But time in general isn’t really valued much in Warframe. Most prime sets are like 30plat

[bold thunder]

I mean that's not because they're just wasting a ton of money though, it's because development costs are higher

Higher resolution assets/maps require significantly more design time, newer and more complicated engines require more work hours to produce a more complicated product

[thorny frost]

But it is still a way to pass around currency, imagine if DRising could sell photons/cores/what ever. More players would end up getting silver and then having it leave the game through the journey bundles that F2P will never buy.

[bold thunder]

in addition to things like legal, marketing, licensing

[gritty rune]

Well yeah cos the map is bigger, the graphics are better, the scale of the project grew a lot between AC1 and Shadows

[short locust]

Uh huh. And the games are worse every year. What excuse can I use for Split gate or hytale?

[bold thunder]

AAA game development is expensive because it requires a lot of expensive things, saying they're hiring a coffee boy for their coffee boy is the equivalent of the avacodo toast argument

[bold thunder]

I would assume that depends on your personal opinion of those two games

[limber pine]

You guys should work for NetEase and show em how it's done!

[short locust]

AAA Def needs big budgets, but they're grossly over inflated to be sustainable in the market, and that has been painfully obvious in the last decade

[bold thunder]

My point wasn't that the budgets are unsustainable, it was that the budgets aren't just bloat and money waste

[gritty rune]

Well yeah but it’s like movies, studios are still trying to pump out blockbusters despite the market saturation cos investors want to see them release big, exciting stuff

[short locust]

I only pointed out there was a lot of bloat and waste, which is true

[bold thunder]

exactly, I was saying I disagree with that claim

[rose wasp]

Yall need to download and go play highguard

[bold thunder]

bro please no don't do that to me

[rose wasp]

Lmao

[short locust]

And that my claim was unsupported. So I supported it with 3 separate cases of AAA burning money for no reason in different ways.

[gritty rune]

But DR isn’t exactly AAA anyways

[short locust]

Agree to disagree, that's totally cool. But this literally happens lol

[rose wasp]

You think they will ever add a new banner to get previous banner picks

[gritty rune]

The issue here is that it’s a gacha and NetEase just doesn’t care

They got rivals and WWM, and Anata coming up

A D tier side project like DR doesn’t have their attention

[limber pine]

Guys someone stream DR you will be the only streamer if you do it on twitch. LoL

[short locust]

Forma lol

[bold thunder]

You listed 3 games that you felt were examples of this (I assume that was your point with splitgate and hytale), but in 2 of the cases I disagree that they had bloated budgets (idk much about hytale so I can't comment on it)

[gritty rune]

People buy forma for plat?

[bold thunder]

In splitgate's case, I think the cause was likely more scope creep by an indie studio that didn't know how to handle its success

[short locust]

DE has stated that's the lifeline of the game ye

[gritty rune]

I barely play the game and I’ve never ran out of forma lol

Ehhhh

[bold thunder]

in assassins creed, I think the budget is likely due to natural increases in costs in the industry

[short locust]

Unfortunately not quite

[gritty rune]

You get forma BPs faster than you can build them

Like uncommon void rewards are 2 forma BP

[drowsy cypress]

i guess ananta will be big fail

[bold thunder]

you're disagreeing very confidently, so maybe you know something I don't 🤷

[gritty rune]

With the hype it’s getting?

NetEase clearly sees it as a flagship game

[bold thunder]

if so, fair enough I guess, I don't no what your basis for that disagreement is, so I can't really debate it

[short locust]

I'd be more concise if I wasn't driving lol sorry

[gritty rune]

Like look at the marketing they do for Anata whenever they have something to show vs DR lol

[bold thunder]

you're fine, you don't have any obligation to discuss it more in depth with me lol

[short locust]

Going 75 atm 💀

[bold thunder]

probably shouldn't be typing at all then lol

[short locust]

That would be wise

[bold thunder]

it would also be more legal

[gritty rune]

They know how to make a good live service game but they just do not care for this game

It was basically an experiment for how well a FPS mobile gacha would do and I guess they think it’s not worth it

[short locust]

There's nothing more I want than for AAA to figure it out. We all get better games and they make money

[gritty rune]

They have figured it out though

[short locust]

[bold thunder]

they're making a lot of money, pretty sure they're happy where they are

[gritty rune]

We got Tears of the Kingdom, Elden Ring, Black Myth, FF7 remake etc

It’s not like there’s no good AAA games

[short locust]

I never said there wasn't lolwhat

[bold thunder]

I mean the reality is that game development is a bit of a gamble

[gritty rune]

It’s like it always has been.

You get good games, you get bad games

[bold thunder]

for every Elden Ring there's a Concord

there are always going to be bad games

[gritty rune]

That’s been the case even before AAA gaming

AAA gaming is great. We get big cinematic games. The company takes the risk

[short locust]

That's reductive to bigger market trends but if it's a satisfactory answer, happy for yall

[drowsy cypress]

Remember SOJ global🤣

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure how so, but you're literally going to die if you keep debating us while driving at 75mph

so like go drive

[gritty rune]

The trend is everyone trying to make blockbusters but there’s only space for maybe 3 a year for them, so companies like Ubisoft who can’t compete are biting the dust

If nothing else it’s making companies who arent cutting it drop out faster

[short locust]

Which is why they need to cut down wasted budget, and therefore incur less risk

It's that or just don't make games at all, which is bad for everyone

As much as I clown Ubislop, I'd prefer them getting better than just going belly up

[gritty rune]

Not really. Plenty of games are being made, it’s not an industry problem, it’s an Ubisoft problem

If they can’t produce anything that’s competitive on the market, they’ll go belly up

Same as any company

[twilit thistle]

Most underestimate how many lines of code it takes. 500k–10mil lines of code exist in most AAA titles. 120 char per line In italics is 120 char. 100k+ files on avg per title. Pro typing speed is 80 WPM. A tiny 10k line update is an est 50 hrs to type. || and imagine that you forgot what folder it has to go in|| (sorry for the wait, wanted to agree with what you said properly.)

[gritty rune]

Don’t forget all the Q&A

And review process.

[bold thunder]

given china's investment into AI and DR specifically's clear general use of it for certain assets, it wouldn't surprise me if portions of the game were programmed with significant AI assistance

[short locust]

Ubisoft, Activision-Blizzard, EA, Epic are all guilty of this, and they're literally biggest names in the industry

[bold thunder]

Still, that doesn't exactly make an update an one man afternoon

[copper silo]

Does anyone even get seasonal engrams from
Leveling past 50 on the BP?? I’m level 85 and I have yet to get ONE

[bold thunder]

I mean you keep claiming this, but you haven't actually given an example of a way one of those companies wastes money (aside from your tongue and cheek coffee comment)

[bold thunder]

I think I got one in season 1, not this season though

[errant narwhal]

Ive gotten 2 or 3 this season, I’m 70 somethin

[twilit thistle]

I focused on just typing bc that's all most ppl imagine it is. 😭 they complain that its taking too long, and someone will complain about use of ai, who can output 1,000 lines in a minute or two, all at once, and can also read it near instantly and tell you where something is at.

[copper silo]

Cool well thanks for letting me know they exist 😂

[bitter estuary]

what the frick

[short locust]

I gave 3 though. Even if I hand wave AC for no other reason that you disagree, the other 2 were literally cases of a team being bought out, inflated, and falling flat because suits tried solving everything with a blank check

[copper silo]

They never stood a chance also huh??

[short locust]

Confirmed ig? LMAOO

[bold thunder]

no you gave examples of games you felt wasted money, not ways they wasted money

[bitter estuary]

its confirmed

[bitter estuary]

its confirmed

[errant narwhal]

Hairkora isn’t real, she can’t hurt you

[short locust]

Spoon feeding required ig

That's on me lowkey

[pulsar coral]

When you buy the premium battle pass, how much silver do you get as well. Is it 300 or 600??

[copper silo]

Dope wonder if she’ll atleast be free so I can save more leaves.

Or what she will do better than Maru.

[pulsar coral]

Im sticking with Maru!!!

[copper silo]

ONG she’s fun to play.

[drowsy cypress]

Hairikora

[bitter estuary]

the way ikora leak wasnt a leak and was in the ingame files all along

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-long-hair-guy-guy-with-long-hair-floptok-gif-4996849644082923024

[pulsar coral]

Anyone know?

[bitter estuary]

what if ikora 5* skin leak was just cynthia erivo

[bitter estuary]

i think you get none

you only get silver via monthly

[pulsar coral]

SO, it counts towards your purchase bonus. You don’t get any

[twilit thistle]

😭 @bold thunder I think i opened 50 or so today. Some using pinnacle. It didn't even make a dent.

[bold thunder]

the mythics and exotics take forever

I need 9 more vengeances to t4 all towers though :D

I'm sure that won't take another month

[thorny frost]

I actually didn’t know it was that many line of code either. I have even more respect for the coders now.

The idea new content can just be pulled out so quickly always bothered me. Even just brain storming and modifying ideas can take a while. Crota skipping a lot of those steps I can still imagine took quite the dev time integrating it into this engine.

[thorny frost]

I think that happened with Maru too? XD

[bitter estuary]

yeah

[rotund flame]

Can you only get 1 photon from the event daily? I refreshed a few times and nothing but leaves

[fiery marsh]

Getting 20 exotic cores and 1 photon daily is pretty generous imo

[thorny frost]

I believe the drifter is the only one that can sell it and he is replaced once you buy from him, like the Thanksgiving event. So yes should be just 1 max.

[bitter estuary]

you can trade topological asthatine for exotic infusion cores

[thorny frost]

Get infusion cores-> sell on black market weekly -> more photons? (Yes like 9 weeks of selling tho lol)

[fiery marsh]

Or just buy photons weekly since pack hunts gives a ton of bm coins already

I always keep my cores and sell all the mythic stuff for more bm coins weekly anyways

[jagged osprey]

I kept hoping deep down it wasn’t going to be Ikora. Guess I’ll be saving up leaves for another 2 months

[rotund flame]

Can't do that since i need them for the BP weapon currency. Takes so much just to get 60

[thorny frost]

I personally would save till I could buy three at least and use the refresh for the small chance of getting discount on photons. That and if you buy 3 at a time you get a very small rebate back.

[fiery marsh]

Yee... not worth spending so much on those xD unless ur f2p

[dusty spire]

lol

You know where I’m going with this lol

I hope that’s not the BP weapon lool

[rotund flame]

Isn't that old? I think I remember this

[junior moat]

is the barter worth it?

[fiery marsh]

Isn't that for new players only?

The 7 day login?

[thorny frost]

Those are different weapons

[dusty spire]

1 is different

It got swapped out for hand cannon lol

[thorny frost]

Yea I was just realizing the other 2 were the same

[rotund flame]

Oh you're right, it wasn't a rocket launcher last time lol

[dusty spire]

In b4 Bp weapon

🤣🤣🤣

[thorny frost]

You also got 2 exotics

[fiery marsh]

I made a mistake of picking 2 diff exotics when I started...

[thorny frost]

I think the first was on day 4

[bold thunder]

yeah the new player login event is 14 days and on days 7 and 14 you get your choice of borealis, huckleberry, or crimson

[fiery marsh]

Shoulda stuck to 1 so I could got a catalyst upgrade right away

[bold thunder]

that's a screenshot/mockup of an old version I believe

[rotund flame]

Not really a mistake, unless you picked the hand cannon lol

[errant narwhal]

They really need to do more login events, most gachas have at least one going on at a time

[fiery marsh]

Only if your an attal main... but who plays attal? XD!!

[dusty spire]

lol fair but if that rocket launcher ends up in Bp

[errant narwhal]

I picked borealis bc i was playing tan

[dusty spire]

We got a freemium turned premium last minute lol

[errant narwhal]

Thatd be terrible lol

[rotund flame]

Isn't the heavy better for her anyway?

[dusty spire]

I swear lol if netease pulls that off

[errant narwhal]

Might not even get the bp this time tho

[fiery marsh]

Borealis was a good pick when Tan 2 wasnt power creeped up the wazoo x.x

[wheat ferry]

New players only?

[errant narwhal]

rip my goat

[fiery marsh]

Yeah I kinda left my tan in the burner at 73k power xD

Right now I have 2 76030 mythic heroes and 2 75530 legendary heroes I mainly use.

[pulsar coral]

They should buff him, definitely the worst out of rising lights banner

[errant narwhal]

100% just combine his well and give a damage buff on his heal maybe

[fiery marsh]

They should buff jaren up more :3

I wanna be able to hit 20 mil dmg to match HH

[pulsar coral]

I love Jaren, I welcome any buff to him. I don’t think it’s coming tho

[fiery marsh]

My min-max jaren hits 17.2 mil in 20 seconds

[pulsar coral]

T6?

[fiery marsh]

Yee

[pulsar coral]

Yeeee

[fiery marsh]

I ran some tests with another 76k t6 jaren using his regular arts

I hit at least 4 million dmg more than him in the 20 second test

[pulsar coral]

Way more fun than HH

[dusty spire]

Notice the weapon swap we already got this event. I’m guessing that rocket could be the Bp weapon

[fiery marsh]

Are u t6?

[errant narwhal]

Jaren feels perfect honestly

[fiery marsh]

Go in Game and check the power rankings. My jaren is #2 and look at my artifact build. Its whacky and probably has the highest dps compared to all the jarens in the rankings

They all run straight perturbation arts while I run with veils

[errant narwhal]

I run veils on 3 and 4 and abundance and revolution on 1 and 2

[fiery marsh]

Yee good man!

[errant narwhal]

Belicose Veil is so good on T6

[fiery marsh]

Its BIS

I had lordbrandon10 showed my dmg output in one of his streams xD

[errant narwhal]

And Valiant just guarantees uptime vs perturbation so I prefer it

[copper silo]

What are the best artifacts for Estella? I need to grind chaos anyways for the bubbles might as well make it worth it

[fiery marsh]

No one jaren so far had matched my dmg output

[balmy raft]

Who gaf

[dusty spire]

The ones that care

Here we go

[fiery marsh]

That's why veils are BIS

[weak ginkgo]

@fiery marsh so you dominate the expanse leaderboard with all that I guess?

[fiery marsh]

I played it once for loot, made it in 7 minutes in 1 try xD

[weak ginkgo]

Dmn goat. Imagine if you tried couple more times

[fiery marsh]

If I optimized my runs, I can make better times but at least im placed in leaderbiards every reset

[errant narwhal]

I think I’m top 20 expanse but nothing crazy

[weak ginkgo]

T6?

[fiery marsh]

And cal ops we trolled running 2 jarens and a helhest and made it to rank 69.. giggity

Overseer xD

[weak ginkgo]

Crazy man. 20mil dmg Jaren goes crazy

[fiery marsh]

Nah.. min-max hits 17.2 mil in 20 seconds 19.2 mil in 25 when u add super

[errant narwhal]

Yeah, I only played through it once this cycle tho, I really don’t like expanse lol

[fiery marsh]

Nice!!!

[weak ginkgo]

You can definitely cut 2 min of that

[errant narwhal]

If you could optimize it like a raid run I’d play it more but then that’d kinda defeat the purpose

[pulsar coral]

Yes sir

[fiery marsh]

Lemme show u the dmg

[pulsar coral]

I couldn’t have this pic without it

[pulsar coral]

I’m joking

[errant narwhal]

yall remember jarens icon from the leak without the glasses lol

[fiery marsh]

Sent u friend request orion