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[balmy raft]

I don’t think anyone cares about expanse times at this point. Neither side is optimized rn

[sharp talon]

im talking about november to december

[bold thunder]

So your argument is "I'm only talking about the people who are at the top of endgame content, but also nothing is endgame content"?

[candid tusk]

december is inflated because they intentionally released kabr/season early to get it to drop in december to boost the financial report in december

[bold thunder]

That seems kind of arbitrary

[leaden osprey]

I’m glad it’s still dropping

[indigo solar]

Mnk is something you've been using for years if not decades. It should only take you a few months to get comfortable with thumbs, and then another couple months to adjust to claw

[errant narwhal]

I’m talking about from when I first got into pc gaming as a kid

[candid tusk]

you're saying "oh so so and is super high in speed runs for the casual raid!" that NONE of the good players ever do or care about. I mean threats casually hit rank 1 every week out of boredom with 2 people

[bold thunder]

My hands seem to be too big for claw :(
I've tried it a few times and end up injuring my pointer fingers

[indigo solar]

Another case of calops players only caring about cal ops

Many such cases

[candid tusk]

i also said the raid races, the content that the actual good high end players actually have multiple people putting effort to. If there's zero good players putting effort towards a game mode, i guess congrats on being high rated there?? nobody cares about it

[indigo solar]

I've always had piano fingers so unfortunately I can't relate

[kindred nymph]

🤔

[bold thunder]

So what counts as endgame? You said only raid races and calops but also not calops. But your point was centered around the preferences of endgame players, so presumably you think those players exist. I'm trying to figure out who you're even talking about

[indigo solar]

Okay but you're defining good players circularly. You're only a good player if you're good at cal ops or raid races, so if you're good at something else you're not a good player because it's not cal ops or raid races

[twilit thistle]

Mnk is actually the hardest to master, because unlike the rest there is seemingly no ceiling on skill.

[candid tusk]

cal ops and raid races are the only modes that have ever mattered. my point is that even cal ops is dying because the sweaty cal ops players are either quitting or they don't care enough to push rank 1 and just putting up a "good enough score" to get the rewards so there's becoming less competition even in cal ops

[indigo solar]

Speedrunning was way bigger than cal ops for the entirety of the tests and the first ~2 months of the game, you're in a bubble

[candid tusk]

you can definitely be a "good player" at something else completely subjectively i guess but think about this, if you have people say "oh i'm super good at the race for the gauntlet every cycle cause i'm top 5 romg!", and then all of the overseers from the last cycle of a season go do that game mode, they won't even be on the leaderboard at all, that person is just gone. completely, sooooo how "good" are you when there are no actual good players doing it

[bold thunder]

Raid speedrunning was significantly more popular than calops up until about helhests release

[twilit thistle]

(Just attempting to steer the convo towards something constructive/positive)

[bold thunder]

Only 2 or 3 teams were consistently pushing calops scores each rotation

[kindred nymph]

Depends on the game, depends on the player .. depends on a lot of things.

I prefer gamepad for shooters because that's where I learned. I prefer mnk for strategy because, despite what Microsoft says, age of empires is dogwater on the Xbox.

[bold thunder]

Until sub 3 was hit on isaakis, there were like 40 people actively trying to push for the first run

[candid tusk]

expanse was as well, but it isn't anymore

[bold thunder]

But you're saying calops isn't anymore either, so why are you looking back for that but not for the other modes?

I'm not sure I follow your choice in what counts as an "endgame" player for your preference analysis

[indigo solar]

Except this is just wrong lmao, cal ops players were attempting the raid speedruns and weren't even near. There are absolutely players much better at speedrunning raids than cal ops. However, because the speedrunners hit an optimisation wall sooner than cal ops, a majority of them quit or switched to running cal ops instead

[candid tusk]

because cal ops is still contains the only area of competitive players remaining basically. it's the only location that they put in any effort at all now

[candid tusk]

whatever gymnastics you have to convince yourself but you can see in crota that the players are all the same

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure I even understand why it necessarily matters for this topic when we're talking about

[leaden osprey]

My predict is game is struggling on while at death's door till April then NE do a big update then nothing happens then they shut game down at May.

[bold thunder]

We were talking about how prevelant mobile players were in the games endgame

[wheat ferry]

We can hope🙏

[candid tusk]

they're trying to get far enough away from the high financial months so that you can't do refunds when they announce shut down

[bold thunder]

Narrowing that to only the current endgame seems arbitrary

[kindred nymph]

And why are you here?

[leaden osprey]

To be witness of the final time of this game

[kindred nymph]

Just go if you're going, don't wait for an audience

[indigo solar]

You're literally saying "cal ops players are the best players at every game mode" but I'm the one going through mental hoops

[neat valley]

Bros coping

[candid tusk]

the top cal ops players are absolutely the best at every game mode rofl, that's delusion if you disagree.

like every game mode they have put into it, raid racing, expanse, etc. has been the same people when they actually try in tthose game modes

[indigo solar]

This wasn't even what my original point was lmao, it wasn't "there are a decent amount of good mobile players in this game," it was "this is a good game for mobile players"

[candid tusk]

saying otherwise is wild since that's always happened

[bold thunder]

Oh yeah I was talking about Yliches counterpoint

[neat valley]

This argument just sounds dumb , eveyone knows most people left and most of the leaderboards are smaller now

[indigo solar]

They're top on the leaderboards now because the best players at those modes stopped playing, not because the cal ops players are the best

[candid tusk]

the best players in those other modes were also top cal ops players

just beacuse the order is slightly different doesnt change that

[kindred nymph]

It's Discord. All arguments are dumb. 😂

[indigo solar]

The best players in those modes quit or moved to cal ops because their competition quit*

[wide vortex]

Facts

[neat valley]

And a lot of people couldn’t even get #1 anymore like they used to be because now everyones leveled

They had a advantage before now they don’t

[indigo solar]

And there are, objectively, players that were extremely good at expanse/raid speedrunning that are just decent at cal ops

[candid tusk]

so what you're saying is, the players that also did cal ops were top overseer players who were also top raid racers, expanse, etc.?? same thing

[bold thunder]

I mean this isn't even true, or at least it wasn't before most of the population quit

[candid tusk]

this only mattered for the first 2-4 weeks of the game, that was it

[neat valley]

That’s🧢

[bold thunder]

Expanse and Calops often shared some players, but the gauntlet worlds first teams were basically never on any other leaderboards

[candid tusk]

definitely not, there is nobody who is insanely good at raid race/expanse that is "decent" at cal ops, that's just not true

[indigo solar]

I'm saying that there are players that started out only speedrunning expanse/raids/legendary campaign, that later shifted to cal ops or quit, so dismissing players that are good at those modes now but not cal ops as bad is a flawed argument

[candid tusk]

this is the dumbest argument i've ever seen in my life, like, if the players who were top raid racers, expanse, etc. shifted into cal ops, they were also top cal ops players, ITS THE SAME POPULATION OF PEOPLE

[wheat ferry]

@kindred nymph how do I change my name colour? I want to be pink instead of red

[candid tusk]

it doesn't matter which game mode they started with

[indigo solar]

Most of Insomnia:
The entirety of Konbini:
That one group that was speedrunning exclusively break in for the first few weeks:

[neat valley]

Yeah nerds gatekeep that’s why

They don’t actually want to help other players

[candid tusk]

gatekeep what? nobody is gatekeeping anything

[neat valley]

It’s always the same people who keep the secrets to themselves

To get highscores

Until they got exposed

[candid tusk]

there are videos every cycle on youtube, but maybe just learn to play the game mode

[bold thunder]

You keep adding raid race to this list, but can you name a single player from any of the first 5 teams in gauntlet race that was consistently on any other leaderboard?

[indigo solar]

There are good players who were, at one time, good at certain game modes but not good cal ops players. They later shifted to cal ops and you now consider them good players.

There are currently good players who are good at certain game modes but not good cal ops players. You are dismissing them as bad because they have not shifted to cal ops

[indigo solar]

Threats' group is literally the only one

[neat valley]

Most sane people know cal ops sucks

[bitter estuary]

i'm tired of this

[kindred nymph]

Check the roles in id:customize.

[wheat ferry]

Cal ops at the beginning was just a select few groups knowing how to unstuck and gatekeeping that knowledge 👀

[candid tusk]

once again the dumbest comment imaginable, like, players who start a BRAND NEW game in one game mode before the meta and everything is settled into where people put effort, if they're also good, are going to stay at the top of all of those modes.

lets take WoW for example, the best pvpers play 3v3. If that entire group of top 3v3 players starts playing battlegrounds, they're at the top of battlegrounds every single time, but on average they don't care about the game mode enough to sweat it out.

does it mean the other high ranked battlegrounds players aren't good? of course they are, but they also play 3v3 just 800 rating lower than the top 3v3 players.

that doesn't make those battleground players the same level of skill as the top 3v3 players, they just don't put in the effort into that game mode

[bold thunder]

I don't think the character roles are there are they?

[kindred nymph]

I just realized this. 😭

[bold thunder]

They were only available in an event channel that's since been locked I believe

[wheat ferry]

Nothing there😭 can you remove my tan-2 role? Lol

[neat valley]

Facts

[kindred nymph]

Done. 👍

[indigo solar]

"The best players right now are the best players this game will ever have. There will be no more good players, and if there are, they must immediately start with cal ops, and not any other game modes. Cal ops is the only legitimate measure of skill because it's the only activity I consider to have good players playing it"

[celest robin]

What all triggers those pandora popup deals that occasionally appear?

[indigo solar]

You know what other roles aren't there 😭

[karmic ore]

🥱🥱🥱

[candid tusk]

that's not what i'm saying. but if you have 3 players and you can't get near the top of overseer, but then brag about getting top 5 in gauntlet that none of the good players play, that doesn't make you the same level as the top players of cal ops rofl

that's just wild to think so

[indigo solar]

Have you not considered that some people don't find cal ops fun

[neat valley]

I need a umeko role

[twilit thistle]

I used to only use controllers, until I built my own setup. I customized everything, down to the keyboard itself. I doubt anyone has one like it, Hall effect switches with stacked o rings to change the actuation points (how far down you have to press). All that with semi transparent but frosted keycaps 😍 . I type faster, and it just feels better

[indigo solar]

You can be an extremely good raid racer, in fact one of the best in the world, beating out D2 speedrunners, and be in specialist in cal ops because you don't like the mode

[neat valley]

Getting a exotic weapon does , but another deal won’t pop up until after you buy the current one

[candid tusk]

you're making up scenarios that don't exist. is this possible? yes, is it happening/plausible? absolutely not at all

[hushed crown]

Not your mod 🤣

[indigo solar]

🙋‍♂️

[bitter estuary]

some of the best players are in master 1/exp 2 even lower

[indigo solar]

#1380566722012119170

[candid tusk]

you are not a top player, like that is pure delusion ROFL

ROFL

[neat valley]

Who says you decide?

[hushed crown]

FAIR ENOUGH

[indigo solar]

I was literally the #1 raider in all three encounters through the entirety of the tests, was #1 on issakis for the first two months until my crew quit, beat belt-holding D2 speedrunners (Tier 1), carried Aztecross, etc. etc.

[bold thunder]

I mean, I was both a raid farmer and speedrunner in D2, and did so in DR for a while until I got bored of the mode. I've played almost 0 calamity in this game and am currently whatever the bottom rank is because it's regressed me over the months

[candid tusk]

lol k bro, what was your crota ranking then

[bitter estuary]

why are you projecting towards ppl who don't find it fun like that?

[bold thunder]

So either that scenario does exist, or I don't fit your arbitrary goalposts of an "endgame player"

[neat valley]

This kid is special asking for the crota ranking

[candid tusk]

i picked a non cal ops mode

[neat valley]

Everyone knows it was exploited

[indigo solar]

Also this

[balmy raft]

Wow you’re actually ai

[indigo solar]

Crota lb was so scuffed for everyone

[bitter estuary]

holy crap you're so insufferable

[indigo solar]

Exploits, bugs, more

[candid tusk]

everyone thinks they're "top gamers" as if there aren't leaderboards in the game to compete on

[sly sedge]

what's the daily cost for a pack level 8? is it the same as 7 (doesn't show in-game)

[indigo solar]

Was #7 on monolith tho for your information

[candid tusk]

don't talk to top gamer gachagirl like that bro

[balmy raft]

😭

[indigo solar]

What was your rank

[candid tusk]

they just don't play hardcore

[indigo solar]

24.000

[sharp talon]

what we need is a jaren buff

[bitter estuary]

i'm just gonna lurk bc wow

[bold thunder]

According to you only one leaderboard counts though? (Except it doesn't anymore apparently because no one cares about it anymore according to you)

[neat valley]

So it only mattered when he thought it mattered

Now it doesn’t matter

[bitter estuary]

mm yes skin spending event before act 2 arrives

[indigo solar]

Everyone knows all of the good players play Go Ghost Go and if you're not on that leaderboard you're not a good player

[candid tusk]

this literally screams "I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee..."

[wheat ferry]

A dawning reskin

[candid tusk]

" i was once good guys i swear"

[soft bobcat]

Jeeber Murphy, the fact that I have to skip HOURS of people talking about this game dying EVERY DAY means it's well alive enough if you ask me

[bitter estuary]

exactly i'm tweaking so hard rn

[bold thunder]

It does? I'm repeating what you said back to you

[candid tusk]

i meant what taniks said

[neat valley]

Well in that case all the other People who were on the leaderboard are considered cheeks now

[bitter estuary]

IF THE GAME was built around single player THIS CRAP would've not happened

[wheat ferry]

Not to brag but I'm number one front lines defender🫶

[bitter estuary]

but y'all had to be like this so much

[indigo solar]

"I'm still good but my team doesn't play anymore so I don't race anymore, because I got into speedrunning because of them, and I don't touch cal ops because I find it to be an incredibly boring mode filled with egotistical 20-year olds who think they're the best in the world at anything"

[bold thunder]

Please

[neat valley]

No one’s arguing about that

😂

[wheat ferry]

Just saying before someone tries and takes my crown😒

[bold thunder]

You say you don't touch calops, but weren't you near the top of the leaderboard earlier? I could of sworn I remember killothy glazing you over carrying them

[indigo solar]

That was Morgran

[neat valley]

I’m here to defend all my guardians

[bold thunder]

Ohhh

[indigo solar]

Not to brag but I'm an Unbreakable Bad

[bold thunder]

They should just make every game mode bulwark ops so I don't have to remember what is what anymore

[wheat ferry]

You be unbreakable bad. I'll be front lines queen

[naive ingot]

Your pink now 😂

[indigo solar]

Minor correction @candid tusk I'm actually in operative, not specialist

[bitter estuary]

sorry i want to rant about this again but i was struggling to find a team for crota in emea i had to jump between 5 DAMN TEAMS until i get a clear, i was not gonna go for lb's but so i placed in a crappy position anyways (only no. 175) but i would get a near 20min run afterall if i would but i was alr so tired with ppl not cooperating well

but oh well, i'm just gonna let the "top players" make a counterargument that it's my fault for not making a "premade" team weeks prior to raid

[fluid egret]

should i pull for kabr and skip ikora?

[bitter estuary]

save up for a rerun

[wheat ferry]

I boosted the server and it kept me red. I was annoyed😭

[celest robin]

MnK is the easiest to master since it’s only point and click.

The actual hardest to master input method is accessibility mode voice to text to assistive action touch commands

[short locust]

Better watch your back

[candid tusk]

I guess it's easier to not play the competitive modes at all rather than face the reality that you aren't as good as you think you are I guess... that's a strategy i suppose

[neat valley]

I mean I didn’t run any cal ops this week until today and I got a high score , I really didn’t want to run it at all

[bold thunder]

This is a big part of why I stopped engaging with the endgame content tbh

[bitter estuary]

public events give more glimmer and quicker tho 😔

[wheat ferry]

Stay in your lane princess

[karmic ore]

it be like that man

[indigo solar]

Ah, this explains why you don't run issakis

You're too afraid

[short locust]

Oh it's on

[wheat ferry]

But can't use keys

[bitter estuary]

like im not the BEST player in the world as i cant brag my skills either but sometimes when modes are built around teamwork and your team (as in randoms) are just not cooperative enough, it literally sends me through the roof

[neat valley]

Just gotta say please

[indigo solar]

Literally "the game mode I play is the only game mode that matters. If you're good at another game mode it's because you're scared to play my game mode. I don't play your game mode because it's boring though, but you can't find my game mode boring"

[bold thunder]

You keep using plural "competitive modes" as if you're referring to anything other than calamity ops (aka speedrun a strike but with light delta)

[neat valley]

How some people really think

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[bitter estuary]

"pwease tell me when y'all are standby to shoot the rune pwease 🥺 👉 👈 "

[short locust]

Shake and bake babyyy

[candid tusk]

i literally trolled on threats youtube video and got like 3rd on issakkis without trying. running 5 jarens and 1 helhest, we hit rank 1 trolling before threats passed it with 2 other comps

[lusty pelican]

top team in alpha doesn't mean anything

for issakis

[indigo solar]

When

[lusty pelican]

3 people were playing

[neat valley]

Bro created the game we played

As an alpha player

[indigo solar]

I seem to recall beating you after global launch too

[lusty pelican]

hey me too, what a coincidence

[celest robin]

I appreciate you respecting and recognizing my position in the world here.

Honesty and integrity.

[lusty pelican]

same time btw

not salty, you guys won, but it was close

[indigo solar]

Um no, we beat yall by at least 1/60 of a second

[soft bobcat]

Well said.

[bold thunder]

Randomly saying the rank you got without context can be a little misleading

[lusty pelican]

missed a message lmao

[indigo solar]

Is aqua still mad lmao

He was pissed

[neat valley]

Back when the goat leekim used to play

[lusty pelican]

tbf you guys did use an exploit, even if not entirely intentional

[indigo solar]

The first time, then did it legit after too

[lusty pelican]

i know

[indigo solar]

Also exploits had been fair game prior to that in every speedrun

[neat valley]

Most of the games highest scores was with exploits

[lusty pelican]

but you guys tried to deny it lol

[indigo solar]

Tbf we thought it was normal fire that was bugged

[lusty pelican]

because he thought the title was perm (we all did)

[indigo solar]

Since auto fire is the damage it did in tests

[twilit thistle]

Not to flex too hard, but I am general #1 most carried Umeko (mostly by you and undisclosed members of fug)

[candid tusk]

cmon bro, only the exploits that THEY dont use are actual exploits

[indigo solar]

This was just what Izzy was like

[neat valley]

Then people say there the best

[indigo solar]

Insomnia was historically very transparent about the fact that we used exploits, though we would keep the method private after reporting them

[neat valley]

Even tho they one tap the boss , it’s obvious broken

[fluid egret]

the things people do for an animated banner

[indigo solar]

It wasn't obviously broken because it had been that way for two months

[neat valley]

Devs just don’t care

[indigo solar]

So when suddenly that got changed, but auto fire still did that damage, it was assumed that the normal fire was bugged

(Also we offered to help t1)

[indigo solar]

Not even animated banner, this was for a weekly title

[lusty pelican]

you said to send videos lmao

[lusty pelican]

we didn't know it was weekly tbf

[indigo solar]

Bc we could've pointed out where yall were missing time, where you could one tap vandals, etc

We were all confused af on why you were using 40k

[celest robin]

At what rank will I be able to post screenshots in this channel?

I want to provide evidence of what true skill looks like.

[lusty pelican]

and we were confused why you were using a ning lol

we thought there was a glitch for damage with ning

[wheat ferry]

Like 3/4

[bold thunder]

Rank 2 I believe (which is bot level 3 iirc)

[indigo solar]

Lmao was old speedrun tech

[bold thunder]

Or the other way around idr

[indigo solar]

Timer started on load in so Ning triggered the encounter start sooner

Saved us like 2 seconds

We also thought his corrupt was global in the tests so he would increase tan damage by 20% (it isn't)

[lusty pelican]

i still think we could have gotten a second lower, but on the last night we ran we spent 3 hours in a row not getting double claw

[indigo solar]

Pain

[lusty pelican]

and then gave up

[indigo solar]

Oh yeah that's another reason the last few players stopped running issakis

[bold thunder]

Double claw pain 😭

[indigo solar]

It's a guaranteed double claw every time now

[lusty pelican]

thankfully

[indigo solar]

Just worst case you lose two people

[bold thunder]

Is it? I thought they just let us read early

[indigo solar]

Wrong spot kills the shooter now instead of wiping

[bold thunder]

Ohhhh

[indigo solar]

So just shoot all four

[bold thunder]

So solo is still hell :(

[indigo solar]

Yes

[bold thunder]

Why don't you just send people in to read to avoid having to res?

Just lower effort to res?

[indigo solar]

Takes time

[twilit thistle]

Better than the first 2 for crota.

[indigo solar]

Can't read until it goes live

[bold thunder]

Can't you read immediately now?

As soon as the servitors spawn

[indigo solar]

I'm still disappointed this never ended up being useful, towers are immune until they go up

[celest robin]

Anyone can speedrun their way to rank 1 but true skill is aiming for a specific target, title and goal and achieve that mission to take home consistently the rank 69 titles.

That is my endgame. No better than me at consistently achieving this feat.

[indigo solar]

Oh is it on spawn instead of prep now

[bold thunder]

Yeah seems like as soon as the 45 second prep timer starts you can read now

It makes runs super easy now even in lfg

[bitter estuary]

i think its like once you kill the servitor you can immediately ping

which makes runs less egregious

[bold thunder]

When I first came back I did some runs to get some of the rust off and carried a few lfg groups to ~3:05s

[rose harbor]

lowk forgot about this game

[thorny frost]

I honestly expect the doom posting on mobile games now. The one thing I don’t like tho is the people WISHING the game to die. Like why wish for some people’s fun to literally be removed from existence. Just leave if they are that upset XD

[soft bobcat]

I'm with you on that. 1000%.

[bold thunder]

Honestly valid

[candid tusk]

your feelings don't invalidate financials in the real world unfortunately. i hope it turns around but it's definitely not even going to make it to end of year at the current trend, probably not even its 1 year anniversary

[bold thunder]

Bro's still here 💀

[celest robin]

Cool, what was the Destiny Rising teams overhead last month? What profit was generated from their January revenue?

[candid tusk]

This is obviously a very low end short sighted thought process considering it cost loads of upfront investment in purchasing the IP, as well as development pre-release, etc. so obviously we don't know what it would take to even break even, or continue to be profitable, but we can look at the financial trends and make some pretty reasonable estimations that if this game is under 50k a month, it's dangerously red and that will happen in roughly 3 months

[short locust]

That's a lot of words

[bold thunder]

Where are you getting 50k a month? The game made about 650k last month on android

[bitter estuary]

643k total, minus cn "estimated" android, its like 75% of it

[candid tusk]

it made 650k total, and it's been losing 55-60% month over month, the only reason december wasnt that big of a chunk is because they intentionally released the season in december to double up on char banners to boost the financials for december, so next month is going to be ~250-300k

[errant narwhal]

Big things coming march

[karmic ore]

big lows

[bitter estuary]

556k total, if estimates are correct then yes 650k is close

[candid tusk]

like bulwark and cordon?

[bitter estuary]

cordon came out last week iirc

[errant narwhal]

No a third copy of calops

[candid tusk]

and it's dead on arrival

[bold thunder]

So where did 50k come from?..

[errant narwhal]

Helhest meta gamemode too

[candid tusk]

because it's going to keep losing ~60% at least month over month

[errant narwhal]

i made it tf up

[bitter estuary]

anyways we wont get CRAP until march 26th

[errant narwhal]

Ikora 2 electric boogaloo aint nothing 🔥🔥

[karmic ore]

**we are getting CRAP on march 26th

[candid tusk]

and every new "endgame update" has been a bust so they have to hit an absolute 180 knock it out of hte park to even remotely get close to a target

[celest robin]

You hit the nail on the head with that “we don’t know” part.

The only publicly released costs was a non specific “$100 million investment into bungie”

We don’t know what amount of that 100 million accounted for the IP licensing, what the initial Developement costs were or what the operational overhead is month to month.

Also, all those revenue trackers people reference primarily only have info on mobile in app purchases. This does not include any purchases made through netease website. Which offer higher silver per dollar and most likely a good chunk of people spend in This game.

In short, none of us know anything factual.

[errant narwhal]

both statements are true

[candid tusk]

copium bro

[true mauve]

Just uninstall, I did it earlier and felt great about it. I feel even better popping in here and reading all this junk. No reason to stress over a dead game, let them enjoy The Pit and whatever content they can find groups for. The game will cash grab until the end, just warn them not to spend whole paychecks. The more cash grab and hopium people have the longer EoS will drag out.

[bitter estuary]

until
im referring that this whole season is a filler and it will be wack until s4

[errant narwhal]

[cinder harbor]

Is it possible to actually matchmake against other real people in shifting gates? Lol

[errant narwhal]

Nah

[bold thunder]

Not really no

[candid tusk]

I'm lingering around and playing casually and hoarding but not sure if i'll get ikora. might just avoid purchases altogether now obviously

[celest robin]

True. I’ll trust the analinfo sources you cite moving forward.

[errant narwhal]

I think I have enough to guarantee 1 ikora

I got 12k leaves rn

and the free monthly pulls

[true mauve]

Im super hyped for new Ikora, would have spent money on her even. Crazy thing though, uninstall and havnt had an urge to log in and play

[bold thunder]

Sources? Who needs that, just confidently state made up statistics

[errant narwhal]

reinstall rn

[candid tusk]

i think releasing 4* enhanced characters to 5* was a huge mistake, let alone bringing back arc piercing and void spread...again, and skipping rapid fire

[bitter estuary]

not netease reheating honkai impact and punishing gray raven nachos by reusing the same characters and rereleasing them 😍

[indigo solar]

Sunk cost fallacy, the upfront investment is already spent no matter what. As long as they make more each month than they spend each month, they're not shutting it down

[true mauve]

Its not a mistake. Its called "make as much money as we can and milk our cash cows before EoS"

[celest robin]

“My feelings don’t care about facts” - that dude

[candid tusk]

this is not true at all. they can still shut it down making a profit

[indigo solar]

They can but they're not going to

[bitter estuary]

iirc yoy netease profits and stocks declines in 2025 compared to 2024, that being said we need to see if 2026 yoy is lower than 2025

[true mauve]

EoS isnt until HH banner rerun

One last cash grab

[indigo solar]

Because even though it wouldn't appear like it from their decisions with this game, they are still profit-oriented and aren't going to EoS a game that requires virtually no dev time to maintain and still makes money

[errant narwhal]

EoS is when I tell John Netease to shut her down

[bitter estuary]

because d:r released in around august so we can't decide if the game is factually speaking, declining in a profits standpoint

[candid tusk]

this is definitely false because there's a point that it's just a distraction on the portfolio for small profit dollars when you're making $15 billion+

[pulsar coral]

Honestly, I can see this game lasting 5 years and we will all laugh about the rough early days. I’m here for the long run

[true mauve]

Nah, am only here on discord because bored and want to see how new Ikora launch goes

[bitter estuary]

super mecha champions didn't do well yet lasted 6 years till its eos, another netease title btw

[pulsar coral]

You’re still hooked bro, I know you’ll be back lol

[errant narwhal]

i havent missed a log in yet but ive been wasting pinnacle every day

i got no desire to play

[twilit thistle]

wb 🌽 🐶

[true mauve]

You will still be playing The Pit on Grand Grand Grandmaster mode "a re-experience of legendary and grandmaster"

[pulsar coral]

Of course bro 😎

[errant narwhal]

Granmaster HH CalOps Expanse Cordon is a peak gamemode, you stop badmouthing it

[sharp talon]

did they announce morgrans hunt beforehand? it seems its gonna be live on thursday according to patch notes these were chinese patch notes sorry

[pulsar coral]

Next week it will be a different run

[indigo solar]

They've still got significantly less profitable games, a game that's still making a profit is never a detraction from a portfolio. It won't be emphasized or take up a section of an earnings call but that doesn't mean they'd cut it

[indigo solar]

No

[errant narwhal]

so what tax software do you guys use to file?

[candid tusk]

how many boards have you been on, executive roles in multi-billion dollar companies have you held to say "a profit is never a detraction from a portfolio"

[celest robin]

Their revenue and profit have actually increased a fair amount from 24 to 25. They haven’t released their Q4 ‘25 numbers yet from what I’ve seen but the first 3 quarters of 25 showed 1-1.5 million increase in revenue and ~2 million average gross profit increase

[candid tusk]

bro wells fargo shut down their entire international banking arm making millions of dollars because it was a distraction from their core vision

[short locust]

I know a guy

[errant narwhal]

can he make my refund 3x my salary

[short locust]

I mean... If you don't mind serving time for it

[bitter estuary]

i think it went down from q3 from q4 but yoy increased i dont remember

but i hope its better this year lol

[errant narwhal]

as long as i keep the money

[pulsar coral]

This game has come a long way since August/ September/ October.

The player base will always be complaining about content or the lack of it.

If you enjoy the game/ even doing daily pinnacle is some sense of enjoyment because you care enough to continue playing. Keeping hope of future updates.

If you plan on quitting the game, then why continue to be negative and spreading doom and gloom.

I’m not dumb to see the issues and I’ve been vocal in here. Some of you take it too far.

[neat valley]

Games not going anywhere , it’s just going thru a slow dip right now , the playerbase is settling out and we just have to live with how it is

[celest robin]

Q4 2025 financials aren’t reported yet. 2/11/25 is reporting date

[indigo solar]

How many have you been on? They're still maintaining other games with even weaker revenue like lost light, infinite Lagrange, and tom and Jerry. You can cite Wells Fargo as an example but that's a weaker example than NetEase' own precedent

[balmy raft]

The slow dip in question

[neat valley]

That’s everyone buying Gwen , dummy’s 🤣

[twilit thistle]

@pulsar coral 😔 they never listen

[celest robin]

Doesn’t account for purchases made through netease website. Where a min 25% extra in game currency is available for same price.

My guess more people using that over IAP to spend

[indigo solar]

If you'll notice, this is asymptotically approaching about half a million every month (the last two months appear to go downwards because some of January's expected profit is in December instead)

[indigo solar]

This too

[neat valley]

I bought most of my silver thru the website

[naive ingot]

I've gone through plenty of down turns in the main destiny games, did it stop me playing. No. I slowed down after finishing dlc yes, but still have fun on them. Now swinging a lightsaber around hahaha. Same goes in Rising. Some days I'll save more pinnacle then use it. Have fun with pack mates.

[celest robin]

Some people take engagement farming doomer YouTuber opinions as gospel and don’t have 1 critical thought over what they spew.

[naive ingot]

And Estela

[bold thunder]

@twilit thistle I'm free now if you want to attempt either duo or anesless

[neat valley]

Estella and Gwynn was their biggest profits for sure

[bold thunder]

Also kind of just the Destiny community, people have been doomering that since D1

Everyone is convinced the game is going to die because it's not doing what they want it to do

[candid tusk]

ignoring downloads and financials while basing your comments on feelings is a solid logical thought process for sure, #respect

[celest robin]

D1 pre-alpha eververse regular vets are like that.

In my experience, the more doom and gloom someone spews, the more time and money they consistently put into that game

[bold thunder]

I don't even remember you citing any downloads or financials other than the made up 50k per month figure that you immediately backtracked on

[candid tusk]

yeah because those people actually care about the outcome and still want it to turn around and don't want to huff copium while the game flies nose first into the ground when there are very obvious things that they could do to improve this downward spiral

[candid tusk]

I didn't backtrack anything. I said 50k in 3 months

[hollow salmon]

I wonder for how many Drising was their first gacha game, in some ways you do have to put up with a long term investment/mindset to see some end game things pay off

[bold thunder]

It wasn't my first, but I'm certainly not a gacha regular. Most of the people I knew who came over from d2 were uninitiated though

[celest robin]

No addict wakes up every morning saying “I love this part of me”, they hate themselves for it and they take to forums to trash their addiction to others while spending more and more.

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar

r u free

[indigo solar]

Which is out of nowhere? Not a single revenue reporter indicates this

[hollow salmon]

Yeah there will be banners that just don't appeal or slower periods of the game, you do have to pick and choose and be willing to stick with the game (to an extent).

[indigo solar]

Yeah

[bold thunder]

I think that was a part of the death of the competitive scene tbh, the raid farmers and racers and such played the first month or so until the honeymoon phase ended and then left to go back to either d2 or wherever else they ended up

[true mauve]

Downloads and financials set no precedent. You are both arguing your personal opinions and feelings. There is never a clear winner in these arguments. Game will live or game will die. Its boring and no fun, move on. I personally have had more fun staring at my wall for an hour than logging into DR today. It felt like I was waiting in queue and gave me the same feeling as playing the game.

[candid tusk]

wut...financials and downloads are absolutely real metrics for game health

[twilit thistle]

ngl i just saw the time, id only have 10 mins before i have to eat and stuff, would be about 1 hr from now

[bold thunder]

Only like 2 or 3 of the farmers I knew of from d2 survived the first month

[celest robin]

Yeah but those financial numbers aren’t accurate

[indigo solar]

Works for me

[twilit thistle]

aneless

[true mauve]

Nah, alot of people just like to bait when game is dieing. He has had yall vested for hours now 🤣 💀

[candid tusk]

they don't have to be exact to be accurate trends

[indigo solar]

And the trends don't indicate 50k, they indicate it'll stay around 500k + online sales

[celest robin]

They don’t even pull data from a majority of the potential revenue sources

[bold thunder]

Fine with me, I can be free any time between now and about <t:1770271200:t>

[candid tusk]

in NO way does this indicate the downward fall has flat lined, wut

[true mauve]

Player retention is peak. Community and fan bases also. The financials and downloads balance out when the game is done proper, because they are a side effect of player retention and community.

[candid tusk]

they will be at 50k in 3-4 months

[true mauve]

Is this Netease website?

[celest robin]

Typically I’d agree with you but this dude believes what he’s saying

[indigo solar]

It does when you account for the fact that part of January's profits got pushed into December. When you adjust for that, it almost perfectly follows the player count, which is how most games work, and it can clearly be seen to be leveling out

[true mauve]

Nah this dude is a pro baiter he sells it good, isnt his first time here. You should be playing the game you enjoy not arguing with a known troll

[true mauve]

Queues are dead even in PvE. I swore it made me wait 5 minutes in queue for a solo expanse...

[candid tusk]

it's copium every month from the same people here, then next month when it's 200-300k, "NO that's not accurate, MOST of those people just moved to the netease site guys!", then when it's 100k "look, it's flat lining, new content come june guys", end of service "wow all of the doomers really ruined this game for everyone"

[bold thunder]

he has a rocket league pfp, he's not baiting he's just stubborn

[twilit thistle]

ngl howling colossus xg-8 is kinda goated if u cant use ane. im not even sure if dark bolt is even worth it for 15% extra

[bold thunder]

/j

[true mauve]

You keep coming back 🤣 💀 😭

[bold thunder]

I did a run with someone who eas testing void and he said it was actually performing pretty well

I'm very interested to see it

[true mauve]

How many months you been doing this @candid tusk game hasnt hit half anni yet. Dont tell me doomin since launch

[candid tusk]

no, the problem is that the copium huffers in here need to stop huffing copium, so people can get united in what needs to change to save the game, but the "copium defenders", aka the last 10 remaining people in this discord chat, are hellbent on defending at all costs until it dies, instead of everyone pushing on the issues

[bold thunder]

"Get united in what needs to change"
Hun do we look like the game developers?

You're preaching to the choir, just very angrily for some reason

[candid tusk]

then stop defending things if you don't understand them, and let other people get their points across

[trail fractal]

@candid tusk u have no clue what u are talking about 🥱

[bold thunder]

I'm not defending anything, just pointing out critical logical fallacies in most of the arguments you present

[celest robin]

I should be but I’m outta pinnacle and I’m shamefully enjoying digging into netease financials during this back and forth

[karmic ore]

no cap

[bold thunder]

I just enjoy pointing out when someone is bad at debating

[true mauve]

10 people are going to influence the entire playerbase? You are huffing mad copium thinking the devs will listen to playerbase. They have already spent months working on new pinnacle system while content got put on a shelf and delayed. How much more delay can we take? We are all united on the fact game has dead content thats boring. Netease dont care HH made bank according to your charts

[celest robin]

RANKED UP PROOF OF MY PROWESS TIME

Skill

[karmic ore]

luck

[trail fractal]

All praise ylich he knows all

[karmic ore]

facts

[celest robin]

Rank 69 every week since ranks were ranked. Only a loser would see my immensity and call it luck.

[sharp talon]

va issues mightve also contributed to the delay on campaign stuff

[soft bobcat]

We all love this thing, and the developers do pay attention. I'd love for things to turn out quicker, but that's just not the way the world works.

[candid tusk]

this the highest rank in your titles?

[short locust]

I mean I'd like the game to thrive, but I don't see it lasting

[celest robin]

Unfortunately they only speak Chinese and wonder what these crazy westerners are so active about

[karmic ore]

he’s a top player

[true mauve]

Dont dig, its not good. Doesnt matter what was made in past. New year new quarter new financial goals. We dont know anything going forward other than Netease has a track record of promising big things, taking forever to release them, then EoS game because it lost all traction and playerbase. Finances from dead game arnt as good as a newer better project Dev team could be on.

[trail fractal]

Bingo has 3 accounts and does out of bounds on calamity

[bold thunder]

They're making a joke about being rank 69, are you good

[candid tusk]

band emotes every cycle

[karmic ore]

who

🫣

[true mauve]

Same cheese and issues from Eclipse were in Crota. All those returning players seen no change in the game since launch. S4 promises new light rework. Where is my change for loyal global launch players?

[indigo solar]

My guy there is a vast difference between saying "the game is not doing well, but it's not going to EOS" and "the game is doing great, everything is fine"

[celest robin]

I’m not digging into rising specifically especially since it’s not presented like that. Im just looking at overall statement overtime.

Looks to be a pretty decent stock to invest into

[indigo solar]

Pretty much everybody has been very vocal about the fact that urgent and major changes are needed

But the data also shows that player count and revenue is approaching an equilibrium

[true mauve]

Compare Marvel Mystic Mayhem to DR, if you are bored that is. Im curious idk what the answer is tbh

[true mauve]

Yes, as top players quit they sell their accounts 🤣 game is full of alt accounts and nobody is spending

[short locust]

Can't wait to not read this upcoming essay

[karmic ore]

same

[true mauve]

TLDR: I have skill issue and love the game so I doompost its financials on discord

[bold thunder]

From which person

[soft bobcat]

Link me your message to address this issue and I'll give it my upvote

[short locust]

I just typed that out because it always defuses ppl from typing long messages

[true mauve]

Bruh, you send me your message for upvote and I will ignore it. I dont do suggestions you funny guy. It wont be fixed by next week and im not waiting until S7. Shouldnt have took 4 months to rework Pinnacle, 2 new end game modes sucked... like what can I ask them for at this point? They tried and failed miserably

[celest robin]

That’s part of the problem I’ve been explaining, none of those public estimates are accurate since it only accounts for a small portion of revenue streams that in Risings case, probably one of the smaller revenue streams.

[soft bobcat]

Okay. So what do you mean to achieve here when you've already folded?

[candid tusk]

Hello friends, I am a reformed doomer. I have been convinced that this game will be financially healthy for the foreseeable future and cannot wait for our goddess Ikora to save this game next cycle.

[thorny frost]

As a member of the novel club I can say this phrase has never stopped my novels from being posted. No one can silence the book club.

[bold thunder]

for the record, I read every long message so keep them coming

I enjoy words

[celest robin]

Ctrl-a , Delete

Solution to Pinnacle problem. You’re welcome NetEaze

[short locust]

I just like clowning ppl being weenies

[true mauve]

Im in a public discord conversating and voicing my opinion like you do as well. Sorry my opinion is different from yours and im tired of waiting. I shouldnt tell the game how to fix itself, im not a paid employee not my job.

[short locust]

He's right. Bros job is promoting Iron bar

[eager harbor]

Had to delete the game :(

[true mauve]

I did try to save community, ty

[celest robin]

Please refrain from contributing conflicting opinions to my own.

That does not fly with me.

Thank you for understanding.

[eager harbor]

Took up too much storage space

[bold thunder]

I think his point is that there's nothing we can do about it, so he'd rather not have to read people arguing about it constantly every time he opens up this server

[eager harbor]

Why what’s happening with the community

[true mauve]

I think I should contribute them, we already conflicting opinions. Lets argue for 4 hours.

[eager harbor]

I’m so confused

[short locust]

4 hours? It's 9 pm brother it's past my bedtime

[eager harbor]

Cute emoji

[true mauve]

I did join in telling yliche to quit but then people had to say some things I felt were worth commenting on.

[bold thunder]

That's fair

[celest robin]

Idk. In 4 hours we’re bound to find something we share an opinion on.

I don’t want to put either of us in the position to be forced to alter their opinion to keep the argument going.

[vast arch]

wait a sec i've got something to say

[indigo solar]

Everyone thinks the game is declining, but some people think NetEase will pull the plug. Those people also think that anyone who doesn't agree with them thinks Rising is a massive success making morbillions of dollars and has zero problems

[vast arch]

hold up

[true mauve]

No we wont bro it out

[eager harbor]

It’s literally only just the beginning of the game

[celest robin]

No we won’t… well shoot. Just screwed that up.

[eager harbor]

It has potential

[true mauve]

Step1: Uninstall
Step2: Bait discord because it was the real game the whole time

[bold thunder]

Angry people arguing on discord, the usual

[vast arch]

nevermind

[naive ingot]

Destiny... that is all

[indigo solar]

Nooo tell us

[eager harbor]

What be the news

[indigo solar]

It truly is

[vast arch]

i don't have any news just trying to shake things up

[thorny frost]

I actually stoped typing waiting to see XD

[true mauve]

See? Master Baiter here

[short locust]

So much for the book club huh

[naive ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/highlander-burn-out-kurgan-there-can-only-be-one-gif-17217603

[vast arch]

corndog is sad because he feels like the game is heading in the wrong direction, honestly can't blame him for that I feel the same way

[celest robin]

Index thumbing

[oblique aurora]

This game has a direction?

[true mauve]

I already made my goodbyes earlier. Was bored and seen yliche going off. Had to hop in.

[indigo solar]

Why have you, as a Discord mod fully responsible for every game decision made by NetEase, not fixed the game yet

[celest robin]

They don’t speak-a-tha-Chinese

[vast arch]

bro i had the sickest update ready to go and then my hard drive failed and I forgot to hit save

[true mauve]

GAME SAVED
#maintenance-notice message

[thorny frost]

Honestly voicing discontent is good for a game, specially if there are devs who do read the discord (which some definitely do). Trying to restrict it to “happy vibes” is not going to help us advance the game. Wishing the game to die does nothing tho for helping a community nor the game. Doom posting does have its use if done in a way that can help us find and possibly bring to light some negatives that haven’t been said before.

[indigo solar]

Can you prove it or is the file too big to send over discord

[little marten]

honestly with the amount of effort that destiny rising puts in their updates, they will be ok even with 20k monthly revenue, just hire one dev to work on it

[thorny frost]

I waited, it didn’t stop me from posting it tho XD. Book club lives (it was a small book, perfect size for my kids).

[short locust]

Bro said hard drive like it's 2012

[bold thunder]

I think people are forgetting that basically everyone is arguing on the same side of the original topic

The other side was some dude claiming that the game was going to EoS in Q2

[true mauve]

No man, you are for or against

[celest robin]

I’m hard, wanna drive?

[true mauve]

We pick sides here and die on mountains alone

[bold thunder]

Wait the latter is an option?

[eager harbor]

I might leave the server due to having to delete the game

Too much strange space, I hope yall ca understand

[true mauve]

Soon as I find new game im with ya

[celest robin]

No. Too rocky. Only step stools to climb said mountain

[vast arch]

I have 60TB of HDD space on my network

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/always-and-forever-always-and-forever-gif-5606975

[eager harbor]

Might interest you in monster hunter stories?

[short locust]

Nioh 3 is my new game babyyy

[candid tusk]

this guy knows games, solid choice

[short locust]

Holy moly

[true mauve]

Nah, im picky. I do research. I came into DR knowing Netease would EoS just needed a game to get me by.

[celest robin]

Ding Lei would never!

[eager harbor]

The second is better in my opinion due to the having memorizable patterns instead of pulling off random attacks, yk?

[eager harbor]

Yk what I mean?

[true mauve]

Memorizable patterns is why I hate PvE. I want reaction time not smash buttons in set order every time

[eager harbor]

Oh trust me there can be massive bs

[bold thunder]

I mean destiny in general probably wasn't your game then

[eager harbor]

Such as switching attacks every turn

[true mauve]

WWM was all repeat combos, boring very quick

[bold thunder]

That's kind of always been what d2 endgame is

[celest robin]

May I interest you in Dynasty Warriors, good sir?

[candid tusk]

another solid choice but the newer ones are kind of fried i think

[eager harbor]

RAID shadow legends-

Jk

[true mauve]

Every D2 player has nostalgic PvP stories, why was it far fetched to think DR would be same way?

[bold thunder]

Oh I guess, I can't relate

[celest robin]

Agreed. Origins was fun enough but didn’t hook me through.

Hope they don’t add too much new junk to DW3 Remaster

[eager harbor]

How about bendy and the ink machine?

[bold thunder]

I always found d2 pvp awful

Obviously some people enjoyed it though

[candid tusk]

i can't get into remasters because there is no new stuff though to be fair. i would rather they just tried a new game altogether

[eager harbor]

I wish they had a mobile hollow knight port

That would be cool

[celest robin]

Like origins or another mainline

[candid tusk]

another mainline

[true mauve]

Halo Mobile and life is good. I like the longer fights and shield. CoD is boring.

[celest robin]

GeForce now

[true mauve]

Destiny Rising was close enough to Halo feel it was good. One shot shotty and a punch to kill like Halo

[celest robin]

Yeah, Just not like dw9 please.

I’d love another samurai warriors game with the art style and combat of 5

[true mauve]

Double jumps good too. DR had abilities to use for each character making it even cooler.

[candid tusk]

i played hyrule warriors but they just didn't have what i wanted in them either. not enough depth. not enough stuff to unlock, etc.

[slow ridge]

Can we get attalia skin for Valentine’s Day destiny rising creators ty

[true mauve]

Almost every new game is dead 💀 most games these days arnt lasting. Been hopping into a lot of games with dead populations already.

[eager harbor]

What about Minecraft?

[candid tusk]

naw, not for me

[proud fiber]

This game will EOS before August. I guarantee it

[eager harbor]

What about creepblox?

[celest robin]

Couldn’t get into those. Performance too poor

[eager harbor]

What’s EOS mean?

[true mauve]

All the good games are on PC

[candid tusk]

it's definitely bad

[eager harbor]

Like silksong

[slow ridge]

Nah will be better game once it’s on stream it has the back story to destiny 1-2 this game will last its halos first mobile game chat trust I been playing games since black and white game boy with battery’s

Steam

[true mauve]

Mobile gaming had a huge spike from Covid. The hype is gone.

[proud fiber]

Shut down

[eager harbor]

Ah

I just want a tf2 reference in the game

:(

[soft bobcat]

All good bro. I literally just wanted the answer to my question. I wasn't trying to crucify you. All love.

[slow ridge]

This game is important for destiny 3,s future

[true mauve]

Not getting a steam. It has in house mumuplayer. Its non canonical also so d1 and d2 events are different in this alt timeline

[slow ridge]

And it’s fun

[celest robin]

Look at all these fools not realizing this is now a Musou Discord

[eager harbor]

Wait what-

[slow ridge]

If it does goes to steam and ps5 we can all agree the PvP light house would be sick on this game

[candid tusk]

plebs being plebs bro, you know what I'm saying??

[thorny frost]

This is definitely true. Mobile games are always meant for more of a time pass, sadly for me it is the media I can actually play right now. My PC is collecting dust.

[eager harbor]

Like mortals being mortals

Or ningens being ningens

[celest robin]

Yes. I do know what you said. No need to ask me that, sir.

[slow ridge]

We just need team death match domination some light house level 100 fishing tournaments dueling tournaments and PvP custom match’s with some custom lobby’s

[eager harbor]

Btw ningen means human

[true mauve]

List is huge and multiple people have voiced alot of concerns. They are all valid. I cant even spend my GM keys or do any team content without waiting 5+ minutes. To me that is a dead game as queues are dead and I cant play it even though I am trying to

[eager harbor]

Have a good night my ningen

[celest robin]

Yeah? What shade of humans?

[slow ridge]

So add game to steam and ps5 also merge the servers into one. But some people prob lag maybe like RuneScape did a game way older

[eager harbor]

It literally translates to human

From Japanese to English

[soft bobcat]

I feel that. I was posting 2+ hour Q times in Shifting Gates already since November.

[true mauve]

Where Winds Meet was console, PC, and mobile at launch. DR is mumuplayer and Mobile only, I think Bungie wants more money for steam and console ports.

[candid tusk]

good night friend

[slow ridge]

Yeah

[celest robin]

So does Людина

[eager harbor]

Good to know

[bold thunder]

Similarly, I feel like the fact that I've only played bulwark ops for the past month or so whenever I get on DR doesn't speak to a very healthy game

[slow ridge]

Also again I shall say it These guys are absolute pros they made halo man if this game just gets a little more PvP and custom lobby’s steam and ps5 we all know hella more content and streamers and fun and Birds Eye view gains radius to the game would be amazing chat

[soft bobcat]

Same. Without Bulwark Ops I wouldn't have anything to dump my energy anymore.

[true mauve]

Wrong company. Bungie didnt make this

[slow ridge]

Maybe have a rpg edge PvP mode where ur gear actually trashes others if not optimal F off fair fight if u didn’t grind best gear stay out blood moor PvP zone xd

[bold thunder]

I don't even bother with energy tbh, I just play the game whenever I feel like it and then play some other game the rest of the time

[true mauve]

Not at all

[bold thunder]

If anything I'd argue that's how I'd like for the game to have been in the first place, I dislike the pinnacle energy system and never cared for my dailies

[slow ridge]

I remember in division 1 if ur gear was trash would get smoked f the fair PvP fight let gods be gods

[bold thunder]

But having that literally only be that one niche (and poorly balanced) gamemode isn't exactly ideal

[true mauve]

Focus on end game Solo Content to get everyone through the low player count lull. All mobiles games should be solo content focused with a couple of Co Op modes. DR is all co op modes 💀

[sand salmon]

Adding bots in shifting was really unfortunate. I know the que times were really long in the higher ranks but i really enjoyed shifting until they added bots

[slow ridge]

They probably will add light house I bet 100 bucks

Invention of the light house

[bold thunder]

Even at lower ranks they're unbearable (especially given you basically have to afk while you wait)

[slow ridge]

With cool story

[bold thunder]

Even filling only 3 people is impossible unless you lfg

[true mauve]

Where is new kabrs story

[sharp talon]

i dont play sg unless i have a premade. it fills with bots quickly if you do have one

[sand salmon]

Yeah thats true. Gosh i did love that gamemode. Felt like gambit

[true mauve]

Game is good, game is fun, but i cant play it because nobody else is

[soft bobcat]

I haven't even bothered queuing Shifting Gates in 2026

[slow ridge]

Phones dying ttyl chat

[bold thunder]

I tried once or twice and gave up

[soft bobcat]

Pretty sure the last time I Q'd Shifting Gates was early December 2025

[bold thunder]

I wonder though, I have 2 alts for bulwark ops so I guess I could in theory force queue shifting

[soft bobcat]

Yeah 😅

[slow ridge]

200k members just on this discord game will not dye add PvP and custom match’s n light house ps5 and steam capability even switch ty destiny rising moderators tell your boss ttyl

[true mauve]

Lol, nobody wants PvP sadly. Community strongly voiced their disdain for it

[bold thunder]

Steam capability is an interesting idea, it would make for an excuse to re-release basically

I doubt netease would ever go for it

[soft bobcat]

I actually kinda like Shifting Gates tho.

If I didn't have to wait 2 hours for a game

[true mauve]

I doubt Bungie will go for a new console Destiny game not made by them

[bold thunder]

I liked it when the queues were fast

[tight talon]

I liked shifting gates when it had atleast 6 players

Now it's just bot fest

[true mauve]

Bungie made sure DR failed

[sand salmon]

Yeah sg sucks now lol

[bold thunder]

Bungie can't even control the fate of their own game lol

[true mauve]

Imagine if all of the maps Bungie sent over had known OOBs already and they didnt tell netease

What if they left cheese in the codes they gave over

They didnt want to see another company do better than them with their own IP

[bold thunder]

Did bungie even supply much code for DR? I assumed it was basically ground up

[heady fulcrum]

[true mauve]

It has alot of exact same weapons and stuff, im sure some of the maps were repurposed or some fail maps Bungie never released (seeing as how small DR maps actually are)

[bold thunder]

That's fair

Things like movement and combat feel very different to me, so I assumed it was a different engine and largely just mock copied code

[true mauve]

Have we gotten any DR exclusive exotic weapons or are they all D2 weapons?

[bold thunder]

But I don't know much about the backend dev

[bold thunder]

Some new, mostly older

[true mauve]

Idk anything im just good at making things up tbh

[bold thunder]

Prefect, gallows, octant, and maha come to mind

[soft bobcat]

The Xmas / New Years event in this game (DR) was actually really cool and showed off that this game has more MMO potential than the other Destiny games.

[bold thunder]

Oh and the new gl and hc in the bp

Also almost all exotics have minor/major changes from their d2 counterparts

Oh and furies

Basically most of the BP weapons + the gauntlet weapons and prefect

[celest robin]

Playdestinyrising.com still got a front page promo for November twitch drops

Website dead

[soft bobcat]

Wouldn't be surprised if all Destiny related websites are in the same situation

[celest robin]

Destiny’s child website updated hourly

[true mauve]

Thats a girl band with beyonce of course it did

[soft bobcat]

lmao

[celest robin]

“We’re beyond ‘ce” was their latest blog.

[true mauve]

Yeah tbf she left em high and dry

[indigo solar]

Videofeet

[true mauve]

Wrong server bro

Your furry server isnt here

[indigo solar]

Opposite of radiohead

Famous for not leaving em high and dry

[soft bobcat]

Sometimes I think Taniks is a 25yo and others maybe a 50yo

[true mauve]

Its been fun, time to leave the discord now. Goodluck hope game gets better. If PvP ever gets real traction maybe I come back.

[indigo solar]

I want you to know this is 100% intentional

[twilit thistle]

🥺 stay

[soft bobcat]

We love you bro, but do your thing. Wish you well Corn dog

[bold thunder]

Little do you know, they're both

[indigo solar]

Security through obscurity

[bold thunder]

Will miss you bro, hopefully you get your pvp someday

[indigo solar]

Maybe I'm just a pseudonymous account for a group of people

Maybe that's why I'm so active

[bold thunder]

@ mods Taniks is account sharing to cheat the chat leaderboard

[celest robin]

anyone down for `15 rounds of bulwark?

[bold thunder]

Sure

Give me a sec to get on

[heady fulcrum]

Like you're leaving, context 😦

[indigo solar]

They're already gone

[indigo solar]

I can help too

[celest robin]

5Y0ENE

[indigo solar]

Context was they've been unhappy with the state of the game for a while, the most recent update having no meaningful content and no signs of improvement was the final straw for them

[celest robin]

5Y0ENE

invite code @bold thunder too

[twilit thistle]

@karmic chasm

[karmic chasm]

Bro you’re lucky I haven’t dipped yet

I’m not even logging in anymore. Will start again in act two and see if it can hold my interest

[heady fulcrum]

how sad...

[soft bobcat]

No idea the context, but why are you in this Discord if you don't play "this garbage"?

[balmy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/here-they-come-gerard-butler-captain-joe-glass-hunter-killer-in-coming-gif-18343752

[bold thunder]

That's rams friend, they and taniks were fighting over some alpha drama

[indigo solar]

nah we weren't fighting, we were both in agreement vs yliche

I just remembered tyler being super pressed that we were better than him, so he started haccusing us

[bold thunder]

Oh fair, I assumed they went and complained to aqua given the tone of aquas message lol

[indigo solar]

was wondering if he was still mad and clearly the answer is yes

[soft bobcat]

[errant narwhal]

wow my tax refund was more than 3x than last year

all going to 5* ikora

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-ride-let-it-ride-diem-gif-13460879079669063039

[balmy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-eating-eat-burger-food-gif-16834603692867166790

[errant narwhal]

[spiral scaffold]

So is the game done?

[twilit thistle]

🥺 👉 👈 it tastes good

[indigo solar]

"Kid" aren't you like 22

For your information, I haven't touched crota

[karmic chasm]

I would say no, but for some people it is, possibly including me.

I’m gonna give it a real college try in like 8 days

Not for Ikora, just for what it was to me before: Destiny in the palm of my hand

Rn tho im enjoying codm again- and fortnite occasionally

Although that’s on my old laptop

[twilit thistle]

🥀

[vast arch]

@fair folio Please don't come into this server and try to start drama

[rough sedge]

Destiny in palm of hand. That’s the biggest thing

[karmic chasm]

Freaky

[karmic chasm]

Exactly. That’s why I loved it. I also love Rossi so much. If I come back it will be for him (and Kabr 2)

[shrewd comet]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[karmic chasm]

We all need a break tho

This could do me good

[twilit thistle]

[vast arch]

We don't play like that in here, take it somewhere else

[indigo solar]

Guys important question

should I cave and buy the band emote for science

[severe rose]

Cave I should emote science the buy and for band

[twilit thistle]

🐳

[celest robin]

Less try, more do. @vast arch likes ugly cats

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-slap-gif-13524443576137726830

[severe rose]

Ohhhh, so that’s why he likes @kindred nymph

I get it now

But fr shoo

No drama

Unless it’s 💅

[errant narwhal]

whatd i miss

[vast arch]

jokes on you, I'm a dog person

[errant narwhal]

cats>

[fluid egret]

if netease doesnt put their stuff together then we may as well wait for the EoS announcement

because at this moment the game is drier than the atacama desert

[tight talon]

Science cave and for band I emote should the

[tropic swift]

Not to mention that the Emoji we got from Twitch wasn't even the one Advertised 😂

[floral abyss]

Me too

[indigo solar]

don is a cenocephalus confirmed

[twilit thistle]

||hot*||

[kindred nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-funny-animals-insomnia-cat-tired-crazy-cute-gif-11458685

[indigo solar]

GGG update when

[stiff breach]

anyone doing 15 wave bulwark ops?

[sly hornet]

That cat looks like a lightning strike woke it up from its thousand year slumber

And as comedy would have, that was my level up message lol

[celest robin]

Me @indigo solar and @bold thunder hit round 263 on bulwark

Too bad no leaderboards 🤷‍♂️

Screenshot button broken so can’t provide evidence either oh well

[bold thunder]

it really sucks that the game disables screenshots specifically when you get to high rounds in bulwark ops smh

[white yew]

Rossi is so garbage

[kindred nymph]

Basically how I feel most days. 🫠

[twilit thistle]

ane=🩼 work ops.

idk if 20 is possible without t4 anything. I think i have like 2 legendary t4's and neither of them are useful

[twilit thistle]

😔 @karmic chasm

[balmy raft]

Are you having a seizure 😭

[twilit thistle]

probably

[karmic chasm]

I agree

Too bad he’s my favorite

[twilit thistle]

🥀

[bold thunder]

Actually crazy work nice!

Btw it seems like they may have fixed t4 hoof

Or maybe it's only broken in solo

Who knows :D

But it seems to work in coop so thats cool

[indigo solar]

Hello

[errant narwhal]

amogus

[errant narwhal]

You going for max acclaim?

[bold thunder]

Oh lmao I forgot I went oob while I was waiting to start the run lol

[indigo solar]

I've pretty much always had max acclaim, tho I'm missing Gwynn since I didn't pull her

[errant narwhal]

Oop, nice though, you gonna pull for her when she comes back?

[indigo solar]

Maybe, probably

[errant narwhal]

I’m praying Ikora is a rerun banner atp but might upset people who want to pull just for Ikora

[white yew]

Im number 4 rossi i think rn

Hes my goat but we need a heavy crossbow or smth

[errant narwhal]

maham is goated tho

[twilit thistle]

🥀 is it enough to kill the bosses tho bc the ttk on the enemies is like 0.1 seconds, but the bosses didnt seem to care.

[indigo solar]

@bold thunder look up

[proud fiber]

Ikora being the next mythic without her iconic shotgun is the death knell of this game

[errant narwhal]

First character with 3 weapons like D1/2 trust me

they’re introducing special weapons 🤞

[proud fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[errant narwhal]

copium levels previously unheard of

[rotund flame]

Finally got the t4 tower

Also the lucky multiplier got me t3 Anastasia with this

[twilit thistle]

You said its not possible to go to 15 in solo without ane and hoof right? no ane, and no hoof separately were just too easy.

[karmic chasm]

Still my favorite character

[errant narwhal]

At this rate we’ll get him in a 5* soon enough 💀

[indigo solar]

I said I couldn't, but I hadn't tried that void build

Crazy work, nice job

[indigo solar]

Just a couple of otters

[bold thunder]

Hear me out - wave 15 exotics only

[indigo solar]

Got more than 100 tickets from a single crate

[bold thunder]

Rare/legendary/mythic give 1/2/4 tickets each once maxed

For some reason exotics give 10

So you can technically get 150 tickets from a 3x5 exotic roll

And with 2 other 3x exotic rolls in the same chest presumably you can get 210 tickets from a single advanced lol

[devout void]

not everything is patched ?

[viral lotus]

woahhhh

[devout void]

that's all for the update 😂 update shop and morgran event but gg we can exchange a Photon

[sharp talon]

i dont think morgran is on global server

[devout void]

oh yea

[sharp talon]

global patch notes are different

i was confused by that as well

[devout void]

cool, i was thinking its weird

[viral lotus]

7 days is when providence 2 releases

[devout void]

can be reroll and have different rewards

[limber pine]

Ooolala

Finally a use for those

[storm mural]

new character leak

dont ask where i got it ( i know a guy)

[devout void]

If everyday can take 1 photon its cool

[sharp talon]

oh thats fire

[devout void]

at least they give us a lot or to help new player catch back

before new campaign they prob want everyone is full of ressources

[stiff breach]

i hope next character is rapid/spread and not double spread

[devout void]

weird choice except killing Maru

[stiff breach]

not really anthing to do with maru technically i could say in that instance kabr killed jaren with double precision

[devout void]

idk maru was not so so op but if we got a double spread that have 2 dash then she dont become useless ?

jarren is a good runner so sadly the game is arround being fast

[stiff breach]

im saying i dont want doubld spread

i rather have 2 different weapon types lol

[sharp talon]

she also has crowd control, overflowing magazine, auto reload according to the leak kit

[devout void]

yea same so i dont understand their choice

its not good for Maru and Ikora use shotgun in Destiny

[stiff breach]

like that why i love jaren he covers 2 different shinkas

[sharp talon]

it doesnt make sense for her primary to be any other type as well. cuz she gets more stacks with more enemies hit imo

[devout void]

the kit seem fine, but yea many player wanted a rapid fire

[stiff breach]

if they keep her on rocket launcer they better make the season pass wep ghallahorn lol

also i dont have maru so she could cover that hole in my account lol

[devout void]

yea maybe it is their idea to hype or it's strange not to give her a shotgun, unless they're making Ikora 3.0 later.

[balmy raft]

So basically its copy paste dawning got it

[stiff breach]

i cant wait to see who they put for the next hunter lol

[devout void]

the new free one have more speed than 900 silver

[peak flint]

[thin valve]

new content?

[north phoenix]

What are we gonna do about the helhest meta? Literally any character that releases will never be as good as her and helhest is needed in every calamity team comp...even if there aren't pierce shinkas....

[sharp talon]

clearly p2w

[visual rain]

buff umeko

[weak ginkgo]

Can't do anything. They can buff other characters but that all

[errant narwhal]

is that a season of the moor engram

[devout void]

yea old engram

they have 2 bp at the same time, maru and arbalest

[dusty spire]

Why?

Maru is one of the strongest heroes

Or the strongest

No one is clapping 1.5 + mill and CCing it to the whole area

Other than that HH is the direct damage broken

But Maru undoubtedly is a CC damage queen that can do bigger numbers than any hero in a short period of time to a area

Facts

[devout void]

we will see the kit but if its double spread and 2 dash it seem better than Maru, a runner with 2 HH, again

[dusty spire]

She’s gonna be a good runner CC hero

If her dashes are significant to a standard hunter

But I think she will have a warlock dash style

So she may be able to run but no as great as the general hunter runnera

This game just lacks real players that want to excitement with heroes

Btw I need someone to to cordon with xuan level 10 anyone can help I keep getting players jumping out :/

[dusty spire]

Ohhhh they giving us more to speed up progress into S4

So predictable netease lol

[upper bronze]

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[weak ginkgo]

Ikora won't be a runner. Dashing through is not the same as dashing forward. Get those hopes low bruh

[naive ingot]

[last ravine]

December 18 2025 maintenance

[dusty spire]

Warlock dash lol

It’s not and physical offensive dash

Hunters have the best dashes outside of xuan excellent dashing

[pulsar coral]

i’m assuming it’s something like icarus dash

[lapis swallow]

Man, I really need an alternative to DRising, can't think of one. I can't find MMOs that play like this

[dull plover]

I play destiny rising with my finger 💪

[lapis swallow]

Even Division isn't coming yet

[snow crown]

Cool

[visual rain]

destiny 2

destiny 1

[lapis swallow]

I retired from those games, it's the same, dying

[visual rain]

could always go to warframe

[lapis swallow]

Plus I barely have time to play on PC nowadays when my job involves to move around

[short locust]

WF is neat

[cosmic trellis]

Nothing else plays like destiny

I’m retiring from gaming entirely when these two shut down, Doom is requiring PC builds I can’t afford more with every entry so soon I’ll be unable to play those too

[wheat ferry]

Exactly and that sucks😭

[cosmic trellis]

Nothing else clicks.

[short locust]

And with PC components skyrocketing in price, it's even worse

[cosmic trellis]

Everything is exclusively pvp focused or third person now, I just don’t like it

[cosmic trellis]

This %100

[pulsar coral]

there’s always the option of actually doing something in the real world

but that’s lame i guess😂

[visual rain]

Warframe on iOS and soon android

[short locust]

I built my first PC in Nov ish, feels like the last chopper out of 'Nam

[cosmic trellis]

Yes because I only game 🤔

[lapis swallow]

It will be a very long time until AI bubble pops and PC gaming is back to being affordable

[visual rain]

PC gaming is affordable rn tho cus all the actually good games are $30

[cosmic trellis]

Pc parts are less affordable

That’s the problem

[visual rain]

oh yea

[lapis swallow]

The parts, especially the SSDs now and RAM

[visual rain]

just download more

[pulsar coral]

gotta sell cheeks for ram at this point

[cosmic trellis]

Ironically I have plenty of ram, just one very small ssd and the mobo compatible ones sell out super quickly

[lapis swallow]

I am still hopeful in DRising, at least we get some new content each week, albeit those are just resource grinding events

Not even a new region is added

[visual rain]

lowkey haven't played since like november because screw helhest meta

[cosmic trellis]

My expectations are EoS after April so I don’t get disappointed. Same with D2

[visual rain]

why would D2 end service

[cosmic trellis]

Marathon.

[lapis swallow]

Marathon basically is new Bungie's baby

[visual rain]

ok but notice how literally no one cares about marathon

[cosmic trellis]

If it flops, Bungie will be absorbed by Sony

[visual rain]

they can't just drop their main source of cash (D2)

[lapis swallow]

For Destiny Rising, I am somewhat hopeful because Netease still has 2 cashcows keeping them afloat while still being able to maintain DRising

[cosmic trellis]

D2 has been running with minimal support for months. Still waiting for that roadmap.

[lapis swallow]

You know it's funny that DRising has an actual roadmap, Destiny 2 doesn't

[visual rain]

nah this game is cooked glad I got out early

[cosmic trellis]

Netease cancels games very very quickly if revenue drops too much

[wheat ferry]

Marvels mystic mayhem got EOS after 6 months of release and won't even make it to 1 year anniversary.

[pulsar coral]

stasis the umeko bridge skip goat, you are missed homie

[visual rain]

🫡

honestly I should hop on just to farm the raid again I had fun doing that at least

but my muscle memory is probably gone

[pulsar coral]

gotta hit 2k clears haha, gotta be close

[visual rain]

woah woah woah who said 2k

unless you mean you

I have like 700 or 800 something

[cosmic trellis]

I need bridge crossing 7 minutes, but I can’t bring myself to grind and hope

[visual rain]

oh yeah crota is a thing too, forgot about that

[pulsar coral]

oh i thought i seen you at 1.3k, maybe that was another guy you’d run with

[visual rain]

definitely wasn't me lol

[pulsar coral]

800 is still pretty gnarly, 2 minute clears with one or two other people lol

[visual rain]

it gets to the point where the gameplay is on autopilot and I'm actually focused on whatever I'm listening to on Spotify

then there's Issakis which is genuinely just do nothing simulator

[cosmic trellis]

That’s how I play all destiny

[visual rain]

the bonk titan mentality

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[dusty spire]

I’d have played a mass effect themed gatcha if it weren’t destiny

I love rising because it’s different from anime gatcha

I have played several anime gatcha and like anyone else I’m starting to notice I’m playing the same heroes on different game

They starting to look the same

No uniqueness

How many bears from zzz can you play as now

That panda bear I have on several games lol and they play similar

[wheat ferry]

Honestly it should have been like "create a character of each class and you pull for subclasses instead of characters"

[dusty spire]

Yup and pull for skills

Then you have to make that character prowess in that skill you pulled

So you need to also level the skill ect

Maybe we still have room for skills to pull which are only able to be used on the particular class type

[dusty spire]

But this is one of the most likely ideas that would actually work

[visual rain]

I think they should give me everything for free instead 👍

games dead anyway

[unborn turtle]

☝️this.

Plus more solo modes. The gluttony of Co-ops demands an always-active player base, which is obviously not the case anymore.

[short locust]

Imagine pulling for Trickster (Ning), Warbringer (Xuan), or something

Just a bunch of unique subclasses that just happen to fall into the elements

[wheat ferry]

Idek the lore behind why guardians get put into like warlock, titan or hunter when they're resurrected anyway. Get rid of that and you could just have 1 character.

[visual rain]

titans sustained several head injuries, hunters were ipad kids, and warlocks were the rest

or something like that

[drowsy cypress]

well, DR hit his 6 mounth without EOS🤡

[dusty spire]

Yeah I think we need solo modes to contribute to the power leader board

[naive ingot]

More chaos lol 🤣

[white yew]

Not on rossi

[dusty spire]

DR already has a 2 year plan it will only be cut if something drastic has happened

[wheat ferry]

We haven't even hit 6 months though😭

[drowsy cypress]

never seen this

[dusty spire]

It cam a few months ago where the had detailed something like x amount of updates “ annually”

So their is a plan if it’s stuck to that’s a different story

But yeah a projection past a 1st anniversary has been some what laid out

[wheat ferry]

Oh yeah the "2 major updates a year" or something

[dusty spire]

That’s the one

I honestly just see this game like all gatcha a fishing rod with bait at the end. All the gatcha rods are in the pool right now fishing

And because over the several years of the model being popular and working, it’s attracted a lot more rods into that space

[wheat ferry]

The genshin effect

[dusty spire]

Yup they threw out the biggest rod during the lockdown period lol

And captured a lot lol

[wheat ferry]

And genshin is mid af😭

[dusty spire]

Just came out at the right time

[wheat ferry]

Also how bungie managed to get sold to Sony for wayyyy too much

[pulsar coral]

I told myself this game is my last mobile game. The micro transactions are a killer in any mobile game. Once this game dies, I’m done with mobile gaming. ( I only play on iPhone)

[drowsy cypress]

im still playing on mlbb from 2018

[dusty spire]

Compared to some the progress over time is quite fair in-terms of micro transactions.

[wheat ferry]

Quiet AI man

[pulsar coral]

For sure, probably the least predatory that I’ve seen

[drowsy cypress]

DR is first game who dont wanna my money

[obtuse magnet]

Hi,

Do we have any information/clues about the next character coming to the game? Thank you.

[cosmic trellis]

Ikora. It’s literally all people have been talking about lol

[open wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ikora-rey-destiny-2-edge-of-fate-redfox9-gif-5723009155523269373