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[true mauve]

Its the recoil animation and sound. When I swapped to Over the Shoulder ads in third person it remedied the problem

[indigo solar]

If not you could be doing so much better

[twilit thistle]

i think i saw elemeno too recently. also when I last ran into necrosis, it was umeko. super slow and easy to kill bc of the controller, too.

[true mauve]

EFS does like a huge kick animation and its weird

[true mauve]

That aint real elemeno like I tell you before

[twilit thistle]

was on a leaderboard

[true mauve]

Some of these guys have babysitters so to speak

[true mauve]

I will dm you again about this

[heady fulcrum]

Mini rockets?

[indigo solar]

Yeah you should always have them

Should never have to be shooting someone with EFS without them

[true mauve]

Your weapon mastery. If you swap weapons you get all 10 stacks back on HC

Idk if bugged or just broken, but infinite weapon mastery

[heady fulcrum]

Yes, the uses. But I especially love using them with the heavy one because it's instant kill lol

arbalest 😍

[indigo solar]

Parole is so close to being able to one tap but can't quite get it

It can hit like 800-something every 4 shots

[heady fulcrum]

very little ammunition 🥲

[indigo solar]

Yeah and not worth it when the others also two tap but faster

[true mauve]

Sure would love to play some Iron Bar right now

[scenic wigeon]

Tbh rising is better than 2... for 1 I don't know what to do in 2... and 2... I lack friends so most raids are off the table

[heady fulcrum]

If I had Estela, she would definitely have been my main instead of Attal, but I got there way too late, hahaha. Spamming dragons everywhere is so much fun; they're great as kamikazes

[true mauve]

Rising lacks players so most content is off the table

[lone talon]

Question.... I got an exotic weapon earlier on a basic rewards retrieval. That was news to me. Didn't know that could happen.

Is there a probability rate difference between a basic reward and a pinnacle retrieved reward?

For example when they show the 1% chance before launching an activity does they decrease for basic rewards. Anyone know?

[indigo solar]

The 1% is the basic reward drop

[scenic wigeon]

Thus you find an active clan so you can run said activities

[indigo solar]

The pinnacle drop is usually 3-5%

[lone talon]

Oh geez.... missed that all this time. Always wondered why the 1% drop never really felt like 1%.... haha. Thanks!

[indigo solar]

It would help if you gave us the specific activity you were curious about, you can find the pinnacle vs basic drops for any activity by pressing the three lines next to the rewards preview

[scenic wigeon]

Peircing shinkas SUCK

[true mauve]

Gotta play em all, very hard to pick a main to stick with. Will never know how you guys do itm

[scenic wigeon]

Literlly the one mode I havnt played yet is legacy void

[tight talon]

Same case in Rising, can't do any sh without friends

[twilit thistle]

😭 server merge when

[bold thunder]

They keep releasing content that requires other people to be competitive in and yet the mm pool dwindles 😭

[versed scroll]

CCs are posting about the game having the lowest thing so far or that.

What is this truly game lacking?

[indigo solar]

Funding

[versed scroll]

I'm pretty sure that they're cooking something.

[indigo solar]

I'm pretty sure it's not enough

[spark dawn]

Not super useful cause it doesnt work on giant enemies, but a fun thing I realized I could do in the TD mode

[indigo solar]

They've lost the trust of too many players and aren't doing any advertising to bring in more players

[versed scroll]

It'll never be enough for us.

[versed scroll]

Nice!

[indigo solar]

No like even if they made the game absolutely perfect with s4, there's not enough of an existing playerbase anymore for it to matter and they aren't doing anything to spread the word to new potential players

[indigo solar]

Lowkey actually could be useful to fix targeting issues tho

[versed scroll]

Grindable cool-looking F2P cosmetic would be nice.

[indigo solar]

I'm f2p myself but honestly they need more paid cosmetics rn

A lot more

[spark dawn]

Thats something Im shocked they aren't going hard in. Like literally I have not one skin cause not one looked better than the default to me. I'd get a skin if I liked it

[versed scroll]

If we are talking about the playerbase then it would be a great thing to keep players hooked in.

But if we are talking about revenue... Idk what to suggest cuz I'm F2P too.

[spark dawn]

You know what would be a super cool update. Let use customize Wolfs armor. Imagine if we could swap arms, legs, helm ect like in normal Destiny

[versed scroll]

Hmmm, what about rerun banners for Gwynn and Helhest.

[spark dawn]

Im assuming like most Gacha games reruns will come over time

[versed scroll]

Is it way too early for DR to do that?

[twilit thistle]

Its intentional. They are aware the state of the game is bad. They are not trying to get new players right now

[versed scroll]

Gwynn rerun + New Exotic Sidearm. Concerto deals cutie damage.

[spark dawn]

If I remember right, the last game I played it was like, the first year anniversary they brought characters back

[versed scroll]

If the game manages...

[spark dawn]

We can only hope

Man I do really want them to turn the game around. I really like it, but maaaan... its hard to defend the game lol

[sharp talon]

im gonna be out of pulls after ikora. i hope helhest returns a while later after ikora

[thorny frost]

I honestly expected HH in the last 2 weeks of this banner. Running alongside new units isn’t too soon by now.

With Ikora Maru/Gwynn would be a good rerun.

[twilit thistle]

They are drip feeding updates rn that are seemingly to fix the game in the future, not in its current state.

[versed scroll]

I have like 32 more pulls to guarantee a Kabr-R. The pity progress will transfer to the next new banner right?

[spark dawn]

Does pity transfer? I been always reaching pity before banner ends just in case I waste pulls

[thorny frost]

We don’t know this, it isn’t tied to the limited unit banner, we have no idea if it is tied to other “free” units. If you pulled that may times I personally would get 1 copy of Kabr then have the rest change over to permanent boats.

[indigo solar]

They stopped ads in September

[twilit thistle]

i got served a jaren ad wdym

[indigo solar]

On what platform and when

Because at least on meta platforms they haven't run them

[twilit thistle]

youtube, decemberish

[sharp talon]

rising was advertised on the top of the google play store for me around the end of october as well if that counts. (how i found the game)

[spark dawn]

Something I hope they start doing as well is having missions to go along with story cutscenes. Cause the story we got right now with the TD mode is just walking in on 2 people talking.

It would have been nice to have like, special solo TD missions to go with the cutscenes. Just something to feel like we are progressing a story

[soft bobcat]

Ads are run with many different variables such as gender, location, age, etc.

I'm sure they stopped running them for certain regions or age groups. But that doesn't mean they completely stopped running ads.

[twilit thistle]

youtube ads are not. google know way too much about you. I requested my data once, i was able to track my location for like 6 years or so, where i had ever been. Also every video i ever watched, and everything id ever done essentially. Thats why the youtube algorithms are cracked.

[soft bobcat]

*Signed. Someone who has run ads and knows the variables and how much they cost

[indigo solar]

Meta keeps a library of all ads past and present run on their platform* that you can search for by advertiser, region, and category. They haven't run any ads on Meta platforms for quite a while now

* occasionally ads aren't viewable in the library, like if they were only run for a few hours or were extremely recently created

[twilit thistle]

Google now uses AI extensively to drive advertising results

[indigo solar]

Everyone does

[soft bobcat]

I don't doubt it. And I'm with you all in that I think the game was launched in a soft-launch / early access state. And it makes complete sense that they don't want to advertise or pull in new players right now.

[twilit thistle]

"If you have seen a Destiny: Rising ad 10 times and haven't installed the game (or if you installed it and then stopped playing), the system marks you as "low interest" and stops wasting money showing you ads."

[sharp talon]

wow i played gauntlet onslaught for the first time this season and i just got maha from a basic 🔥

[indigo solar]

I wonder how many more players would be active rn if they had done everything the exact same as they did except called it a public beta instead of global launch

[soft bobcat]

The lead dev on Diablo Immortal was streaming a game jam using Claude AI to help code this past weekend. AI is already being accepted as a tool at top levels of development

[indigo solar]

Absolutely

And tbh I'm totally okay with genAI trained exclusively on open-source code being used as an assistive tool

[twilit thistle]

Active Players would likely be 20-30% higher right now because fewer people would have rage quit over bugs, and more would be waiting for the full release rather than considering the game finished and disappointing

[indigo solar]

It's great for automating the simple tasks that aren't so frequent you build a tool for them

It's the art and text where there are problems, because there isn't nearly as much open-source training data for those models

[twilit thistle]

All game studios use ai right now in some way.

its integreated into ides, and its also way more efficent to ask an ai where something is instead of looking. or ask them to read it.

tbh i think openai devs were banned by anthropic bc they kept using claude to make gpt 5

[soft bobcat]

claude is amazing. about 6 months+ or so back I was trying to code something using copilot because I have a microsoft 365 subscription for onedrive storage mainly.

For at least an hour or so I kept getting errors with the code.

I gave up and took the code to Claude and it was fixed and working within 5 minutes

[twilit thistle]

Haven't compared them recently but if its just text, gemini is better (ctrl+c, ctrl+v) . For agentic its claude tho (on llm arena, which is ranked by users. Not benchmarks).

[tight talon]

The other way for me, Claude broken SCAR files for me cause it made up functions out of thin air

[soft bobcat]

Interesting that's good to know ty

[tight talon]

While Gemini keeps saying this thing would work, even though it doesn't

[sharp talon]

are you using gemini 3 pro?

[tight talon]

Meanwhile ChatGPT still messes up occasionally

[tight talon]

Both free and pro just to check results between them

I very much don't want AI to replace actual human coding cause they just predict what's next than actually understanding the code

They are at best context driven stuff good for researchers to reference their studies across fields. Else it's pointless

[tight talon]

Bet. Give them Scripting at Relic (SCAR files) and watch them fail miserably

[twilit thistle]

👀 I had gemini 2.5 doing C++, bc I had built a cracked custom gem. That one never fails, the prompt is just misleading.

[sharp talon]

try using the ai studio version of gemini 3 pro which is free (like always, it collects ur data though). the gemini product has a different post trained version of gemini 3 pro. it can be better on ai studio

the simpleqa score (which measures factual world knowledge) is the highest so far compared to other models i believe. it might know about obscure stuff like that

[tight talon]

Entire AoE4 modding community is dying cause we got access to documentation but functions never work or if they work they do completely random things and don't show up in the console.

doubt any AI can salvage it at that point

[soft bobcat]

Yeah AI is not supposed to replace humans in this regard imo.

AI is supposed to be like a kitchen mixer where a person has to put in the ingredients and it starts to put them together slowly while the person gathers the next thing to add to it.

[tight talon]

while eating 3x the electricity while the person can just mix all of it by hand

[twilit thistle]

DM me what to do, "wraith 3" never fails. Near 0 hallucination rate, and i always get a fresh instance with a full TPU bc like i said, its cracked.

[soft bobcat]

Nah some things need to be mixed slowly at a certain speed

and if you've ever had to prepare food for a large family you need more than 2 hands mixing and working on things most of the time

[tight talon]

So like making a meringue for Macaroon?

[soft bobcat]

Yeah those are good examples. Maybe I underestimated you ;D

[errant narwhal]

the only season thats given me engrams past level 50 on the bp and i dont need them

[tight talon]

Still 0.2% of cases when 99.8% of types of mixing needs to be done by hand and rapidly so the cooking process can happen quick

As for amount of people being fed, the more hands the better

[sharp talon]

insane. i thought i had a lot with 50 engrams lol

[soft bobcat]

Generally. Yeah. But not with our small kitchen and the hands we have availabel to us.

I try to let the little ones help, but and they do help. But it usually not for the better. Not even close to being better 🙈

[errant narwhal]

I got 2 arbalest ornaments the first day so haven’t opened an engram since lol

[karmic chasm]

You do tho. For the next 3 weapon skins

[hidden carbon]

Yeah just gathering dust at this point

[jagged osprey]

How do you collect so many engrams?

[tight talon]

Bright dust mostly. But you can also pay silver for them

[cyan tide]

Expanse 31-40 also gives like 15

[hidden carbon]

I got all the ornaments earlier on. You get them from expanse, reputation, other sources and bright dust so it just piles up

[cosmic trellis]

they replaced an AI voice for release, that was a good idea lol

[hollow salmon]

I've got around 40 right now, rng was very unkind to me when getting the decal. Took forever to get that done because I couldn't get the upgrade orb to drop.

[cosmic trellis]

and yet an exo is the type of character who could actually get away with being AI. The "Australian" in RSR still needs to go, I hate it sm

[twilit thistle]

silver-> Fortuna dust -> bright dust

[tight talon]

[errant narwhal]

Its gonna be a rocket or gl tho

Unless its gjally or witherhoard I dont even want em tbh

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/gjallarhorn-destiny-shoot-gif-12350212

[pure portal]

What Croats end weapons are actually good?

[karmic chasm]

Real 😞

[karmic chasm]

Just the scout to my knowledge. And I thought maybe the pulse for PvP

[tight talon]

Pulse if you are having Estela and can't be bothered with Furies III

Others are easily forgettable

Also whoever set the cooldown timer to 15 secs, i hope your pillows are warm both sides whenever you try to sleep

[balmy raft]

swordbreaker for jaren tech

annihilation eager aspirant

[pure portal]

Best encounter to farm for clear speed?

[balmy raft]

deathsinger but just buy weekly engrams

[last ravine]

Er... when are we getting any game news for the next banner?

[errant narwhal]

There’s already leaks but the banner has 8 days left on so I think 5 or 6 till the announcement

[tight talon]

Maybe closer to 3 days left

[stiff breach]

does bulwarks ops give you 1 level per 15 round run?

[sharp talon]

250 exp every 3 levels

[stiff breach]

is there a hard cap or just weekly checks like the season pass?

[sharp talon]

you can only level up 15 levels a week i think

[spiral shell]

Warframe mobile in a few days, its gonna be the final nail in DRising's coffin lmao

[errant narwhal]

I havent played bulwark since they nerfed hoof

[stiff breach]

not really 2 different genre of games

[errant narwhal]

I dont think the overlap is that big, also rising is dying without any other game coming out lol

[spiral shell]

Maybe, but Drising still died way way early lol

[pure portal]

What are the best artifacts for Jaren? Anyone know the absolute best?

[errant narwhal]

Lemme screenshot mine rq

[spiral shell]

prepare for netease pump and dump tech

[stiff breach]

depends on your playstyle i use calming pert, healing veil, bellicose veil and valiant veil

[errant narwhal]

Slot 1 is preference I think

[stiff breach]

how good is that slot 2?

[sharp talon]

imo jaren new slot 3 is better for slot 3

[errant narwhal]

Idk i feel like a tank as jaren

[errant narwhal]

Belicose is better for T6, I shouldve mentioned that

[stiff breach]

yeah i have t6 lol

[sharp talon]

i have t6 as well

[errant narwhal]

Yeah if not t6 id use perturbation

Most my damage on jaren comes from his signature

[sharp talon]

tbh i think inverted fury could be better for non t6. you have to build more around weapon damage if not t6

[errant narwhal]

True

Also a lot more general of an artifact so you can pop it on other solar characters

[sharp talon]

this is my build. i have 04:07 time on solar expanse 40

[stiff breach]

ok cool i picked the right substats for slot 3 and 4 lol

substats for slot 1 and 2 are confusing lol

[sharp talon]

yea its whatever most of the time anyway

[stiff breach]

obviously heath lol

[errant narwhal]

Is safeguard worth it?

[sharp talon]

i personally like it because its like a second life sometimes. it helps a lot with barrage as well

[errant narwhal]

True the barrages hurt

[sharp talon]

ring of abundance might not be the best on jaren. but its surprisingly decent

[errant narwhal]

Yeah I like it, feels like a single bullet heals half my hp

[stiff breach]

lol im open to changing the first 2 on him just not the last 2

[errant narwhal]

same here

tho i dont wanna level up more artifacts lol

[stiff breach]

lol i still need to go through and upgrade slot 4 to perfect

[errant narwhal]

My slot 3 still has super damage, been too lazy to farm it

[stiff breach]

oh i got lucky on my rerolls and got both 3 and 4 to have solar, ability, weapon and signature

[errant narwhal]

my slot 4 has em, I have 15 engrams i could use but meh

[stiff breach]

trying to work on that season title but i dont know if i can get the 4 star turret lol

[errant narwhal]

I stopped playing bulwark lol

[sharp talon]

just hit the level cap each week and you should be fine

[sharp talon]

lord of the towers title is cool tho lol

we're gonna get it next week

[stiff breach]

i wish they told you how much levels you got in that week

[errant narwhal]

It is but man the game mode is so boring

[stiff breach]

like how many weeks do we have left?

[sharp talon]

theres 50d left. i think u need 7 weeks to hit max level

[errant narwhal]

i aint doin all that

[bold thunder]

It's 15 levels per week oh you meant how much xp do you get from challenges and stuff

[stiff breach]

then i might be screwed lol im 31 but i dont know where i am on the week levels

[errant narwhal]

I’m 21 rn

[errant narwhal]

50 days is 7 weeks

[sharp talon]

its not that bad tbh. just do 1 weekly solo and 3 player. maybe 1-3 more solo games to hit level cap for the week

[errant narwhal]

idek what towers to use atp

[stiff breach]

theres nobody to do weeklies

i sat i queue for 30 mins nobody

[sharp talon]

ya you have to lfg and it depends on the modifiers. some days it can be very bad for some people. so they don't bother

[bold thunder]

Guides if it helps:
solo - #videos-and-streams message
coop 2 entrance map - #videos-and-streams message

[sharp talon]

muqam (farm), anesthesia (dps), stone hoof (removes everything), acute (cheap attack speed buff) is what i run. also like 1 muskrat sometimes, typically in 3 player

[bold thunder]

Also for the record I'm usually down to fill for people if they need a weekly done

I enjoy Bulwark so idrm whichever dailies it is

[pure portal]

Will I be able to still get the Crotas end weapons after season 3?

[stiff breach]

we dont know

[sinful totem]

HMU sometime

[stiff breach]

annoyed they are getting rid of crota after the season lol

[sharp talon]

new raid and a lot of content in s4. id rather people queue for those instead of splitting the queue on crota

[sinful totem]

Quantity doesn’t mean quality

[bold thunder]

I'm free for a bit now, but tomorrow will be the easier map

[sinful totem]

It’s kind of wack how cordon is just another version of the Pit, and that strike is also this weeks CALops

[sinful totem]

Tomorrow for sure then, finna sleep soon anyways

[stiff breach]

ill join for tomorrow cause i need 15 round still

[sharp talon]

cordon will seemingly rotate with the calamity strike as well

it seems like a permanent thing to add rewards without playing calamity

[sinful totem]

Interesting

[stiff breach]

i hope the next character is worth the pulls

[sharp talon]

ikora seems to be very good based on the leaked kit. im excited to pull for her

[sinful totem]

Her having the same weapons is a blessing and a curse in disguise tbh

[stiff breach]

ill probably just get t0

i dont have maru so i need a good spread killer

[rotund flame]

Most people don't seem to think so lol

[errant narwhal]

AR rocket would’ve been fine ig but the same exact loadout is lame

[limber pine]

I highly doubt she will have the exact same weapons. Let's wait and find out lol.

[empty kettle]

Yeah, since the weapons aren't set in stone just yet

[limber pine]

In that case kabr would of also had the same weapons, you'd imagine.

[rotund flame]

At this point I'm more curious about the one beekeeper character they once mentioned.

[limber pine]

There is a high chance they go hand in hand. Like double rapid fire. Double spread. Since kabr went from double rapid fire to double piercing.

[limber pine]

Yeah I think it will be like the HH/Rossi release. A mythic and an epic.

Fingers crossed.

[rotund flame]

Dang, wish they swapped lol

[sinful totem]

I mean it’s cool cus we won’t have to invest much materials into new gear

[empty kettle]

The beekeeper and Ikora in 1 banner

[limber pine]

The bee keeper definitely seams like rapid fire based on the abilities.

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[limber pine]

Otherwise I don't see how th set would work well.

[stiff breach]

estella the beekeeper? lol

[rotund flame]

Don't they usually release new artifacts with a new character?

[limber pine]

The summons and allat is pretty much like tan2 + estella into one lol

[limber pine]

No idea honestly I doubt so

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-six-eyes-blue-red-gif-25689481

[stiff breach]

ok so acute feels better than the otter lol

[limber pine]

Heals/dps buffs. Maybe even like a void HH

Maybe even another exo race.

[stiff breach]

tbh i prefer rising over d2 lol

[limber pine]

What if it's felwinter ong lol

[stiff breach]

i want one of the dredgens to be playable

maybe thorn guy

[limber pine]

I was honestly thinking thorn with a handcannon unit. But we recently had jaren so idk. Rapid fire seems due for me. Either smg or auto. There isn't a mythic auto is there??

[stiff breach]

i dont think so

[limber pine]

Wolf and Finawful I know but is there any other?

[stiff breach]

or a mythic user for the toaster cannon

[limber pine]

Can't wait for them to tell us lol

[indigo solar]

Yes

[stiff breach]

dang i found a different method for turrets in solo im on wave 17 still havnt been hit

[indigo solar]

Every new char has come with new artifacts (except Gwynn and Estela)

New 5-star*

[stiff breach]

wish gwynn got a bit more love

[limber pine]

Speaking of gwynn

Only dual wield pistol user, maybe the beekeeper uses them too would make sense

Didn't think about that lol

[stiff breach]

a new weapon that the pistols are like dual stingers as pistols lol

[limber pine]

Would be sick ngl lol

I think we figured it out Sherlock

[stiff breach]

lol

dang after wave 15 the guys just get tankier

what am i supposed to do after 20ish just watch the fireworks?

[candid phoenix]

you still get some exp after 15 per round, but there's no more reward chests

[stiff breach]

nvm they got too tanky lol

good to know this layout works lol

[candid phoenix]

if u want to just be lazy you can center your build around anesthesia + a scorch turret + anesthesia's enhancement card and you should routinely get 15

[sharp talon]

so close to breaking 4 minutes on solar expanse :<

[stiff breach]

oh i was using hoof, anesthesia, acute

[candid phoenix]

yeah that's about how it goes. Throwing in a scorching tower causes anesthesia to do more damage if you have it's star level raised

it has really good synergy with understatement if you get the understatement enhancement card too. Scorched earth will apply scorch stacks

[stiff breach]

where would i put them?

[candid phoenix]

damn how you do that

[candid phoenix]

depends on the tower, understatement causes enemies in range to take bonus solar damage so have it cover the track, slag launcher boosts the towers themselves so you'll need to put it near the group as a buffing tower, muqam (rare tower) is also good because it causes scorch and generates money when star upgraded

[sharp talon]

you need jaren god rolls. they do soo much for him

i just put them on this cycle and my time has just kept going down

too bad its the last jaren cycle 😭

[candid phoenix]

which artis do you run on him? i'm full perturbation atm

[candid phoenix]

shhhhhh maybe they'll give 5 star ikora a shotgun

[sharp talon]

valiant veil is a lot better than obstructing perturbation imo

[candid phoenix]

how do you proc your overshield?

[sharp talon]

ring of safeguarding grants me overshield if my shield is broken. my defensive artifacts are not the best, i've only focused on offensive artifacts for jaren

*you need offensive jaren god rolls i meant earlier lol

[candid phoenix]

i've got matched attributes on my offense artifacts so i haven't thought to change them, but i think i should get solar boost instead of super boost

[sharp talon]

yeah solar is much better

really all 4/4 (weapon enh/ability/solar/sig) are mandatory on jaren. it's such a big power spike

[candid phoenix]

i dropped a ability/signature/weapon/super for both perturbations in the previous expanse so i just kept it

lucky but i'm seeing way more ppl reccomend swapping for solar boost

[stiff breach]

cause jaren's ult takes too long to use the super boost

[sharp talon]

i wonder what na/latam leaderboards are, this is for emea/apac:

[candid phoenix]

oh damn really? i didn't check that

[stiff breach]

if your quick but u got 6 seconds to get all the bullets out after the animation of casting the super lol

[balmy raft]

Only like 403

So not optimized at all lol, nobody is caring to optimize this cycle since it was already optimized 2 ago

[sharp talon]

what was the best time 2 cycles ago?

like 03:50?

[balmy raft]

I think maybe 40 something? Idk I didn’t run

@cobalt beacon

[cobalt beacon]

Im at a job

[bright goblet]

Hello

[indigo solar]

reported for language

[dusty spire]

😬💯

[compact lagoon]

New character is the Robot that swept around the vault in D2.. primary weapon broom

[cobalt beacon]

I dont even think so

It would have been me but i dont think i really tried solar side that much because my seasonal wasnt maxed

I did arc side a lot that cycle

I think my solar is 4:07 rn but barely tried

[devout void]

trk loose the passion rip

[fluid egret]

if i had to guess, does the helper bot use the chinese timezone?

everytime he messages me it's at midnight for me

[solemn nebula]

How do I follow up an appeal that's made concerning an event in this discord?

[indigo solar]

#📥│contact-mod

[solemn nebula]

Lol if only the mods respond
I did that before coming here
No response

[fluid egret]

wdym with concerning

[solemn nebula]

I mean the ones I've reached out to, they don't respond
You're lucky getting a response from the helper as you said cuz ever since the first day I texted him or her, no response at all.

[solemn nebula]

Oh damn lol
It's an event

[fluid egret]

it takes time

[solemn nebula]

I appealed for appealing reasons.... Sort of

[solemn nebula]

I see that now

[fluid egret]

prob you should try talking to them in the afternoon (chinese timezone)

probably right now

[solemn nebula]

😂 You need to see my dm with them
It's like I'm talking to myself

[solemn nebula]

Thanks tho

[tropic swift]

Helhest with Jarens Ghost 🫡

[verbal sluice]

«NetEase Games has shut down its generative AI research division and implemented a company-wide policy banning AI use in game development across all its studios and projects.

Staff have been explicitly instructed not to use AI tools in any capacity.»

[tropic swift]

The Dawning Points Store is gone at last 😂
Was supposed to close on 30th Dec lol

[verbal sluice]

Let’s see what the 2 devs without AI will cook up now

[golden spade]

Hey guys i want to post my hellhest build for tips here but i cant attach photos for some reason

[frank plinth]

You have to level up first.

[rough sedge]

Basically, talk a lot first

[tropic swift]

You gotta Rank up before you can post images/vids etc.

[pulsar coral]

is that at the end of fulminator?

[lapis swallow]

Cordon Ops is so bad matchmaking in APAC server for it is super dead

[cyan tide]

There's no point in doing it once you get all the stars

[drowsy cypress]

Operation condom v2.0, The Pit , but u can plant stone hoofs and anestesia towers

[pulsar coral]

operation cordon but the rewards are just a red chat frame

75k finally

[pulsar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-gif-24439860

[celest robin]

They need to have some clan v clan PvP in this game. Some sort of system that incentivizes PvP. Knockout tournaments or something

[stark forge]

when is search & destroy coming to iron bar ?

[celest robin]

No clue never been able to get a match

[storm mural]

lmao i could rather eat chalk then play rising pvp

[celest robin]

Shifting gates pretty good

[storm mural]

would rather snort chalk than play sg

[true mauve]

Wont work, people too scared to pvp

Touch controls have been showing that they are the ultimate input. Top dudes going 20+kills a match are all on touch.

[short locust]

Ppl wouldn't play it anyway

[storm mural]

its extremly unbalanced lmao

[true mauve]

Unbalanced how?

That aim assist doesnt work as strong?

[storm mural]

every match i play is people spamming polaris in the back of the map

[true mauve]

Touch has full aim assist and auto fire in pvp

[true mauve]

Bro I have pvp since launch and can count on one hand Polaris Scout users

[short locust]

2 maps, and not much depth. At least D2 has that going for it

[gray pumice]

Imagine finding a game for PvP lmao.

[empty kettle]

Reward them for playing pvp by giving them GOOD exclusive weapons

[true mauve]

You are scared off from PvP by a scout rifle? Omg bruh 😭

[storm mural]

also there no point of playing garbage if i dont find no left overs

[short locust]

Scout metas are miserable, always have been. But I don't need that as an excuse to not touch it

[true mauve]

Its gacha players, gacha players are scared of PvP. They live in a crazy world of their own making and dont ever do anything that could harm self image like lose at pvp

[storm mural]

i dont play gachas lmao

[short locust]

Record breaking long jump conclusion there even if I do agree in part

[gray pumice]

This game has no player base at all. It‘s literally dead

[true mauve]

We have so many dashes in game, scouts suck to use unless you are genuinely good and even then you rely on your own umeko dash to get away from theirs

[true mauve]

This is a gacha, destiny rising

[storm mural]

wow i play one gacha and that makes me scared of pvp lol

[true mauve]

Thats why game dead, gacha dont live long

[storm mural]

blocked

[short locust]

[true mauve]

I didnt say this about you or to you I said gacha players? If you aint gacha why you taking it personal?

[storm mural]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-youre-blocked-yeah-dont-care-gif-17949395

[short locust]

I will say, nothing shuts down genuine conversation faster than a high horse mentality

[gray pumice]

Dude is flexing with acclaim max 😄

[true mauve]

Skill.issue fr

Max acclaim but cant even aim 💀

[storm mural]

lmao i do suck at pvp tho im bored rn

[short locust]

There's no magical secret to why ppl don't PvP, its just niche and not good enough for most to spend time in, aside from being un rewarding

[true mauve]

You blocked me and made it known, ping me again that is harrasment

[storm mural]

lmao i never blocked you

[empty kettle]

🍿

[short locust]

Yikes that's cringe

[storm mural]

LOOK HERE LOOK LISTEN JUST CAUSE IM 500 LBS DOES NOT MEAN I SHOULD BE GOOD AT PVP

[short locust]

In fairness, that makes you an outlier

[true mauve]

Dont say blocked twice then ping the person you blocked 💀

[short locust]

Uhhhh

[true mauve]

Baiting 101, aint dealin with it

[storm mural]

but i never blocked you. You got trolled and fell for it

[sly hornet]

I have no idea whats going on but im grabbing the popcorn

[short locust]

Am I witnessing unmedicated behavior or something?

[storm mural]

im bored tbh

[empty kettle]

🍿

[wheat ferry]

Are people like really arguing over PvP in a mobile game? 🙁

[sly hornet]

Cheers mate

[obtuse folio]

Patch notes ghost and sparrows

[short locust]

Idek what I'm looking at anymore 💀

[celest robin]

Diablo Immortal is an exception. PvP only reason anyone whales out

[true mauve]

Dude got mad at me said blocked then pinged me. I said dont ping me if im blocked that is harrasment. Now they backpedaling

[storm mural]

never got mad lmao. said blocked as a joke

[short locust]

I'm being harassed ☝️ 🤓

[storm mural]

bros only one getting mad lol cause i said pvp sucked

if you wanna kiss im down

[celest robin]

PvP does suck. They need to improve it for better shot at longevity

[true mauve]

True, is it a gacha type? Havnt played it

[celest robin]

Oh yeah. $50-$100k+ whales all over

[true mauve]

Wow aint touchin that one

[storm mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-rober-gif-1250302461018253483

[short locust]

Money spread on em

[wheat ferry]

Great new content if you ask me

[storm mural]

https://tenor.com/view/joeyy-1man-glitz-him-gif-25139183

[wheat ferry]

Who made the mods angy so we're back in 15 second slow mode

[celest robin]

Only content I care about is the new 380 pinnacle energy Morgan’s prey

[storm mural]

only content i care about is the removal of pinnacle energy

and pvp

[short locust]

I'm just vibing until EoS lol

[obtuse folio]

Im ready to play a new character

[celest robin]

If that happens, “Whoops forgot to remove pinnacle energy requirement for rewards. Will fix next month”

[short locust]

The changes this game needs are too substantial to be reasonable

[obtuse folio]

Kind of miss the Duo releases

[celest robin]

Na. Pinnacle requirement for any meaningful rewards a big easy step in right direction

[storm mural]

also make clusters drop more

waiting 2 weeks/1 month is annoying

[sacred siren]

they need to put an indicator or something to show how many people are in q for each activity. or let us do chaos/solo activities while mm because its a ghost town

[celest robin]

Just rip off pokemon ip and add Pokémon to the game. New casual content.

[wheat ferry]

I just log in and do dailies atm

[empty kettle]

Same

[storm mural]

if rising was on console or had an atual launcher cause i know people that wont play due to it being on emulator only

[celest robin]

Dailies? Don’t we just have small amount of weeklies

[storm mural]

or release d:rising on switch id play so much lol

[sacred siren]

even on console or actual launcher, it still wont save the game from its issues

[celest robin]

I hate mumu. But I use it. A dedicated pc client would be dope

[short locust]

While that is a problem, it's far from the worst problem imo, and those are orders of magnitude more difficult to solve. I'll take it, but it's not moving the needle much

[storm mural]

got a 2080 super and it drops frames still

[wheat ferry]

Weekly is just legendary campaigns and onslaught. Dailies is just bounties, commissions and event stuff

I'm happy they're unlocking 120 fps for snapdragon elite gen 5. The 5 phone models that use it are happy😂🤣

[short locust]

That's content right there

[wheat ferry]

The game can look prettier for the 5 minutes of gameplay

[short locust]

[storm mural]

also who idea was it to bring symetry instead of necrocasm

[short locust]

Devils advocate: Necro's perks would need serious reworking for the type of content in this game. boom on kill does p much nothing

[naive ingot]

[wheat ferry]

Bad juju has that explosion too after like 100 kills without reloading👀

[short locust]

Hwat

Oh it does! Shows how long it's been since I played D2

Even less reason for Necro

[true mauve]

The biggest issue is majority of us are sitting on tons of upgrade resources. No reason to max every lightbearer and new release cadence so slow. Im drowning in resources. Pinnacle wont fix the lack of replayable content. Biggest gripe isnt pinnacle anymore, its what in the heck content do we play for fun

[wheat ferry]

You just Googled it didn't you lmao

[short locust]

Perhaps

[wheat ferry]

Pinnacle was the issue like 2 months ago for artifact grinding. Now majority is just nothing to play or grind

[true mauve]

Exactly, they put all their focus and S4 on a pinnacle system rework when we needed meaningful end game content not some TD and Pit map simulator

[short locust]

Yeah now that resource constraints are all but lifted, pinnicle is essentially a new light problem. Worth fixing? Sure why not. But it's not a core issue

[true mauve]

S4 doesnt have high hopes, pinnacle rework so I can get duplicates of all the rewards I already have. Yayyy

[bold thunder]

I mean reworking the rewards system, whether that's pinnacle or loot or whatever would help with the problem I think

D2 often has fairly repetitive content, but they got away with it for a long time because they marketed to an audience that liked grinding for loot and then had a fairly good reward system

[white fossil]

started playing every 2 days instead of every day so i dont get bored of it 🙏

why is slow mode here 15s again

[wheat ferry]

Difference was that getting weapons was only possible from those activities in D2 so you had to grind. On DR you can just craft them

[bold thunder]

True

[pulsar coral]

Patch notes are live and boring

[bold thunder]

It also doesn't help much that they release so few new weapons

We got the crota weapons and the bulwark weapons, like 9 in total or something, most of them are bad

[wheat ferry]

"Give us more money" - the patch notes

[bold thunder]

And I think those are the only new weapons we've gotten since gauntlet right?

[pulsar coral]

Seriously 😒

[bold thunder]

In a Destiny game that's pretty bad, even if the game only came out a few months ago

[storm mural]

and those were not new lmao they were in the beta and they took em out at launch to bring back as new content

[tropic swift]

Remember these Areas?

[bold thunder]

it's 2 entrance hive today, I'll be on whenever if you want to do a run

[pulsar coral]

I think the extra 40 a day helped out. It’s not as much as a pain point as it once was

[scenic wigeon]

Nah just use the 120 a day and stockpile it in your mailbox

[pulsar coral]

I use mine 🥱

I’m grinding perfect artifacts for Jaren/ Kabr

[lapis swallow]

I don't even see ads on this game anywhere lol. Their marketing sucks so bad for a gacha game. They basically have to do a soft relaunch if they hope of ever making this game a comeback

Netease don't care when their money makers are doing good: Where Winds Meet and Marvel Rivals

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/lawc44-pimping-law-coat-bumble-gif-8125286727617924446

[scenic wigeon]

Stock up for 3 days and mass grind

Take that little break, really what makes destiny games not get boring

[pulsar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

[pulsar coral]

This is how it feels to farm chaos

[cyan tide]

I wish there were other ways to farm essence, chaos gets boring quick and SG is dead

[scenic wigeon]

Bruh i just want that fast sparrow

:|

[pulsar coral]

Same !!

[naive ingot]

Me for better artifacts on.... Me 😂

[cyan tide]

Praying that mythic sparrow they mentioned in the patch notes has max speed

[scenic wigeon]

Tbh, how crazy would a 100% sparrow be

Max in all stats...

[cyan tide]

I don't think the other stats matter as much outside of sparrow racing

[elfin remnant]

i got the sparrow but i keep getting repeated pieces in all the other cards

[pulsar coral]

It takes a day roughly to get 10 power on a character with refactoring. That’s a grind for sure 😴

[naive ingot]

It sure does.... Better when it's spiked shell though 😂

[scenic wigeon]

Imagine how good it would be in racing

Tbh we need more sparrow racing content, d1 had the SRL, d2 idk... d:r has normal racing and the dawning mode (awesome tbh, means we can someday get pikes)

[naive ingot]

D2 has never had sparrow racing even though it's been asked for since release.

[short locust]

Imagine if gambit invasions had a sparrow racing section instead of a portal 💀 your OS chips away as you drive so you gotta go quick, but you drive over your loadout from when you reach the end

[celest violet]

it;s not good

[devout void]

update of tomorrow

Morgran's event

[copper silo]

Nice but I want my Estella Croat skin and bad juju 🙏😭

[quaint orbit]

We don't need another morgrans event

That's a whole wall of text saying "this update sucks"

[true mauve]

GGs, was fun while it lasted. Game dead, im out. Thanks to everyone here who was friends, will miss some of you. Hope you have better luck in your next games 🙏

[frozen heron]

Dude, in that first picture, go up the stairs and look left. You'll see one of those rings that sends you flying. If you try to fly over there, you will see a platform where the ring sends you. I wasn't able to land on it from where you are. Do you know what's over there?

[sand salmon]

Lmao another Morgrans…

[leaden osprey]

January revenue drop to 0.6M! NICE! Another step closer to shutting down

[naive ingot]

Good way to farm artifacts without spending pinnacle.

January, everybody is skint after Christmas... In retail, Jan and Feb are the worst months.

[leaden osprey]

yeah right genshin got 20M increase and arknight endfield got 28M in 1 week

[dusk lichen]

Hi, I'm new to the game and I was doing the Jade Rabbit quest, but does anyone know why the armor isn't appearing with the character Karb? This is the only quest I'm missing. Use Karb

[leaden osprey]

Go play sth else donrt waste time here lol

[naive ingot]

Well go play them then and gfo

[leaden osprey]

U mad lol kid

[dusk lichen]

I was just asking why it wouldn't let me equip the weapon with Karb lol

[pulsar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-im-so-excited-shimmy-shaq-happy-gif-6236349190649248976

[naive ingot]

I'm sick of the toxicity. It's as bad as D2. Everyone wants everything all the time.

[pulsar coral]

I’ll see you March 26th

[naive ingot]

You using the right Kabr? As in Kabr the Resolute

[dusk lichen]

Thanks, I see now that the extraction and the one they give you at the beginning are different.

I hadn't noticed that, thank you very much indeed.

[leaden osprey]

No one wants anything u just can face the game is dead now bc of irresponsible operations…. It had soooooooooooooo much potential and they just fork this up . So this game deserves shutting down. It’s sad but it’s true

[celest robin]

Talk about being mad lol

[obtuse folio]

Game has time to grow

[leaden osprey]

Had but failed

[obtuse folio]

Just like D1 and D2

[naive ingot]

Development takes time. Can't snap fingers and something appears out of nowhere.

[south cargo]

yeah game just needs time, heard that saying with d2

[hasty ocean]

Ur on the same page as me but I have 3 of em to get 😭 😭

[celest robin]

The fact you’re still here supporting it through your engagement on the mobile games discord says otherwise.

[naive ingot]

Development also has mistakes, look at the portal on D2.. or edge of fate

[south cargo]

i dont think any interaction here supports the game, it is just a place for people to talk

[leaden osprey]

Im here to bear witness to the official closing down of this game

[south cargo]

pretty good pump and dump scheme this game

[obtuse folio]

optimism

[celest robin]

Every video game community got such a hard on to call a game dead. Who cares? No game is actually dead till the developer shuts it down.

[naive ingot]

Bet Destiny 1 makes no money now yet those servers are still up. Even PS3 and 360...

[leaden osprey]

Very true ! Thats y I’m here waiting lol

[leaden osprey]

lol they do charity huh they grab cash from air to pay the employees

[naive ingot]

Even then it won't be on discord. It be in game with a 30 day minimum notice. Anthem had 180 day notice, there was literally only a hundred still playing it.

[south cargo]

anyone wanna do cordon?

[inner grail]

No way games dead when I’m basically just starting it 💔

[celest robin]

Yeah but why?

[naive ingot]

It's not dead. I still see plenty of new lights in game.

[leaden osprey]

I’d love to

[verbal sluice]

Difference is Netease isn’t exactly known for keeping a sinking ship

[verbal sluice]

Good luck keeping anyone past acclaim lvl 20 with HH being in the game; which as we know; newlights can’t Get:)

[naive ingot]

Easy, I'll run mine 😂

[leaden osprey]

Revenue says everything they don’t make money they close the game probably can hold for bit longer but if the revenue still dropping they will close it and the revenue is dropping every month by half so…..

[celest robin]

I get that. But most people here saying the game is dead don’t enjoy the game anymore based off what they say and I’m curious why they have a vested interest in it still

[red geyser]

|| ||

[naive ingot]

[leaden osprey]

For me the interest is to see this game die. U can say it’s the love turned to hate thing lol

[celest robin]

To be fair, profit more important than revenue right now. If it’s giving a net positive month to month then no sense in shutting down yet. We don’t know that information so can’t speak on it.

[leaden osprey]

I have 4 T6 characters and others at T2 minimum I played a lot before this patch and waiting to see the changes but lol nothing happened so now I’m glad to see it’s dead

[celest robin]

I get it. Deep down you’re hoping they turn the ship around but don’t have high hopes

[leaden osprey]

This was me 4 weeks ago now I have no hope tbh

[dusty spire]

:/ netease is managing the live service until they give notice otherwise

[celest robin]

Unfortunate. I didn’t play 4 weeks ago.

[leaden osprey]

Time to sleep lol nice to with u

[dusty spire]

It don’t look like they are ready to get off this at all

[celest robin]

Night night

[exotic apex]

Hi

[naive ingot]

Still licenced from Bungie and it be Bungie who decide. (With D1 still alive 9 years since it's last update...)

[dusty spire]

Older players are bored that’s all, I’m use to gatcha loop

[naive ingot]

It's a destiny game so always have low expectations 😂

[celest robin]

It wouldn’t be bungies call whether or not Rising shuts down or not.

Unless I misunderstood you

[dusty spire]

Not before jotuun users is released anyways 🤣

Round the corner and ready

Impact/spread solar

[naive ingot]

I'm not lol I can find something to do

[dusty spire]

Same here lol building my weapon collection

[thorny frost]

It depends on agreements. They might be obligated for so many years unless XYZ happens. Companies are all about the legal agreements that we don’t get to see half of.

[dusty spire]

Almost finished all the weapons now, it’s quite fun because you get to use more with the heroes

Trying different set ups now, the sniper and scout set ups are 😬😍

[naive ingot]

Exactly and lore entries lol. (Which don't need pinnacle as it's run so many strikes or morgrans prey with Kabr 1)

[dusty spire]

The most flexed weapon set atm

[elder wing]

People talking about eos. Delusion 🤣

[neat valley]

There’s a app called sensor tower that tracks all the revenue from all mobile games , and Destiny rising is in really low right now , like over 50% lower

If you go on YouTube there’s a guy called f3int and he just made a video over the profits and revenue about rising , it just came out yesterday

[vast arch]

You guys think if they did a re-run of Helhest we would see an increase in players?

[celest robin]

Monthly operational costs that fall under Rising isn’t public info. All that was made public was the licensing cost for the ip. AFAIK.

There’s no way it’s profitable overall currently. But we have no clue if they’re operating in the green or not month to month.

If they’re operating in the red then there’s some weight to the shutting down talk but without sight on their full financials everything is just guessing

[indigo solar]

But we don't know the costs, and given they had two whole bugfixes in the most recent patch notes, they probably aren't spending much on dev time. Servers are also cheap, they probably run everything on only 4-5 servers rn

[indigo solar]

A short spike and then back to current trend

[gusty bridge]

Rerun it, take peoples money and make the content spread and rapid fire 🤣 for a long time.

[remote pelican]

Apparently people found out the new character alr? I would hate if someone messaged me a link, omg don’t msg me pls

[celest robin]

It’s Johnny Bravo. Can’t find link

[pulsar coral]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-bravo-dancing-gif-7398318940741329549

[gusty bridge]

Its Void Ning Fei…

[vast arch]

Take a look in #🔗│reddit-sharing

[gusty bridge]

Joke

[celest robin]

Funny. But it’s solar ning fei

[gusty bridge]

Heres my money then

[remote pelican]

Not the leak I wanted :((

Booooooo

[celest robin]

Btw these tower cats are so picky. Only will eat long fish? Let me staple 2 fish together and eat it

[gusty bridge]

Its really Void Mythic Wolf with LGL/Gallows….👀 😂

[celest robin]

Stasis wolf

[naive ingot]

Catch a baracoda in haven

[neat valley]

i hope ikora outpowers maru

that would be funny

[scenic wigeon]

I love the ahamkaras their such neat little guys with their 4th wall breaks

[foggy jackal]

Has anyone experienced an issue with matchmaking? I tried matchmaking the new operation and it bugged out my account.

I’m unable to matchmake, play any activities, or even teleport out of haven.

[karmic chasm]

That would suck given how much I invested in Maru lol

[naive ingot]

Do a game repair to see if that helps

[flint aurora]

My rockets are all maxed out thankfully

[errant narwhal]

I posted it in #🔗│reddit-sharing

[thorny frost]

I feel they will have different playstyles. Ikora has the potential based on leaks to be better for current end game largely due to teleport (it all depends on the final numbers tho), but she will not survive as well as Maru can.

[karmic chasm]

Maru is a true tank

[thorny frost]

A well played/built one will probably never die in pve.

[neat valley]

I mean surviving isn’t really a big issue

It’s not needed as much as speed is

[thorny frost]

It isn’t currently, but I still hope for game modes where it could be. It also is more forgiving for some players. There are some players I think will succeed more with Kabr then HH, and probably will be the same for Maru compared to Ikora (if she is good).

[modern pasture]

Pretty sure ikora has a good chance ro surpass hh

Rocket launcher and rest depends on her ultimate

[thorny frost]

I have match made enough to know that not all players are built for the same units

[foggy jackal]

Thanks for responding, tried it out, no luck. I submitted a bug report, looks like I need to wait 12~48 hrs for a response.

[thorny frost]

Surpass will be hard, mainly due to the support aspects. She might rival her and with the help of support potentially break her dps numbers. She will probably compete more with Jaren/Ning in their roles.

[weak ginkgo]

Nope

[thorny frost]

If she is a runner, we would just need a good piercing runner then we have one that can handle all high end shinkas well.

[tropic swift]

Its just the area you teleport to during Legendary Campaign 🥲 I wascso confused.. Then played it nornally, when i got to that section, i turnedcaround and was like Ahhhhhh..... 🙃 Was hoping to find the various areas that Wolf gets pulled through at the end of that mission.

[weak ginkgo]

She won't be a runner

[thorny frost]

That really depends on this skill/if they modify it from the leaks. She lacks some speed buffs but HH could give her 8 seconds right as she is leaving an area.

[tropic swift]

I take it your also an OOB enjoyer?

[short locust]

OoB players broke out of their cribs as babies and have been chasing that thrill since

[scenic wigeon]

Light suppressed game mode, no double jumping and abilities, bit like d2 arms week we just had

[weak ginkgo]

That more like gwynn. She won't be a runner in any type of way

[tropic swift]

😂

[frozen heron]

Yessir, thanks for finding out whats over there, I have no idea how you managed to get on top of the statue. Thats actually crazy. I tried to reach it from oobing out at the start of the mission but I couldnt see area from out of map.

[thorny frost]

This is why I am saying “if” we don’t know enough to tell, if it isn’t quick enough or goes far enough she definitely won’t. But she has a way to gain more charges of it with current leaks. We just don’t have final numbers to make judgement calls yet.

[tropic swift]

In the US. Where's all the EMEA/APAC OOBers? 🥲
The location doesn't pop into view until you drop at a certain area, same with the boss room which I can reach in just over 1 min from start lol

[bitter estuary]

dead game

[frozen heron]

How did you find its location relative to the start?

[bitter estuary]

i feel like server merge isnt gonna do anything if they dont market the game more

[scenic wigeon]

What OOB

[bitter estuary]

out of bounds

[scenic wigeon]

Ah

[bitter estuary]

new act in 7~8 days WOO HOO its like im gonna not be disappointed again

[tropic swift]

From the start, run all the way to the bit that leads to "patrol". Looking out to "patrol", boss room i to the right, the statue is got on is to straight forward, both under of course.

[scenic wigeon]

Going Oob in jsm during the pack hunt encounters is quite jarring...

I wonder of we will ever get a red sea rift encounter...

[frozen heron]

Damn, ill have to check it out tonight. Do you know if legendary any legendary campaign loads exist in partol? I know labyrith doesnt but I found how you could get out of the Hive mission before entering portal. Maybe we could get to the realm from patrol

[tropic swift]

It is. Only the areas for Solo hunts are there. Then lots of basic land geometry.

[late thistle]

hi, leaks of next char?

[tropic swift]

I've never managed to find a way out of that one at the start. How in the hell? 🥺

[frozen heron]

The hole in the ceiling right in front of the portal, dash with ning and slam on a ledge, jump up from there

[tropic swift]

Also sadly no, those areas are specific to those missions.

[scenic wigeon]

And the wall by station area

[tropic swift]

Aha! I tried with Jolder but didn't have any luck. I'll try that next time cheers 🍻

[tropic swift]

Indeed. Forgot about that. 🫡

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-season-of-the-splicer-beyond-light-epilogue-gif-22669610

[wind scroll]

Which server have large player?

[bitter estuary]

game's essentially dead on both servers, and we will get a server merge between emea/apac and na/latam soon

edit: just play on whatever's the best ping for you

[wind scroll]

Nice

[tropic swift]

Mythic Ikora, which we've known about since start of Act I 😆

[tropic swift]

Def NA

[quaint orbit]

Even the discord is dead, feel free to turn off slowmode admins lol

[vast arch]

Please stop saying this, we do not know if we are actually getting another server merge. The devs said they are considering it but have not confirmed it's happening

[short locust]

Bros doubting the mod team

[bitter estuary]

fair

as i said, they "will", it doesn't mean they are going to

[drowsy cypress]

we need something about state of the game... 6th mount have passes.

[bitter estuary]

bro act 2 is in 8 days

[drowsy cypress]

Even dead p5x now getting better revenue, but thay fкed up release and first 2 mounth

[bitter estuary]

i think we should slightly take back the doomposting which i do think we should be doing

[drowsy cypress]

with lold revenue

[bitter estuary]

p5x is literally pgr 2.0 (made by kurogames)

they didn't know how to handle it

[drowsy cypress]

but now thay got not so bad revenue

[bitter estuary]

yeah like pgr

[drowsy cypress]

but first 2 mouth p5x predict eos

[bitter estuary]

p5x was abyssmal, but so far it's doing better than most gachas are doing

sega isn't known for the best pr team idk

speaking of which wow no one's queueing for other mods

i guess im doing deathsingers

[drowsy cypress]

i drop it after thay decide cut story if 3rd act into pieces lol

[bitter estuary]

hey hey we should cut it

[drowsy cypress]

and im not lover of beach content

fanservice

[bitter estuary]

please i've seen snowbreak, i don't want that to be here

[drowsy cypress]

and first 2 acts are just meeeh

SUBWAY SLAMMER LOL

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-slammer-persona-persona-5-slam-truth-nuke-gif-16106395584668426687

[drowsy cypress]

than, A DANGEROUS FOOD CRITIC🤣

Act 3 was ok, but feels like act 4 we will got a INFLATION DEVIANTART FREAK

[pulsar coral]

🤢

[red geyser]

|| ||

[twilit thistle]

A Band-Aid won’t fix it. What the game needs is a predictable cycle that allows players to get helhest copies (ideally with notifications). I’d start with Estela. It wont satisfy the current player base. They will still doom post in the least constructive ways possible expecting it to help. None of them have realized if they want the game to stay they have to fight for its survival (not against it). 

[white yew]

tbf they also need to just nerf linears into the floor

a good character shouldnt be reliant on having a linear or not for damage

the only outlier in that was estella but she is ultra long term dps

cause new players cant clear the hard content unless they dig into how artifacts work what weapons to use

[twilit thistle]

😭

[bold thunder]

@twilit thistle

[indigo solar]

Linears aren't the issue

Steve and Attal are just fine

[naive ingot]

[twilit thistle]

2man it? I was interested in that bc @indigo solar specifically said "Was so confused how yall hit 15 on a flying day without a teammate". That being said, taniks, is there any way we will hit 15 on hive day? 🤔

[pulsar coral]

💯

it’s her

[bold thunder]

Hitting true duo 15 on hive doesn't seem too awful, just takes good builds

Hitting true duo on vex might be possible but it would be insane to do if it is

You'd at the very least need to superweapon the later harpy clusters

And doing it without leaks seems impossible

[bold thunder]

Also I'm not free now but I will be in a few hours if you're still on

[indigo solar]

Yeah should be doable, path is plenty long even in the solo section. Both players can superweapon the missing side as well

[indigo solar]

I highly doubt it is, there are 3-4 harpy clusters per wave and you're not even gonna be able to take down one without superweapon

[bitter estuary]

no more xuan wei pfp and banner

😔

[bold thunder]

My thought is potentially confining the first and third cluster to get them close enough to the respective next clusters to superweapon both at the same time, which would mean 2 superweapons per wave

that plus master might be enough to do 3 or 4 more waves

and then just use the 50 hp to tank a bunch of harpies from that side

[indigo solar]

Could work, too bad there's nowhere to fall off on that map to refresh Umeko's T6 shuriken confine

[bold thunder]

I used a similar principle with my solo 39 run where I confined the first leak cluster of each round to nuke it with the second cluster and then tank the third

[bold thunder]

I've never even thought about that

I don't have t6 umeko though sadly

[indigo solar]

Same

[bitter estuary]

i need 2 more copies for t6 umeko, ill prolly try that out soon*

[bold thunder]

I still need 4 I think

[bitter estuary]

(ill extend my monthly as per usual, despite game is in its lowest point)

i haven't purchased that bundle with 2 4* selectors

[bold thunder]

there's a bundle for that?

[bitter estuary]

yes

[bold thunder]

oh I must've bought that already a while ago :(

[twilit thistle]

can u like make it not doable tho so its a challenge

[bitter estuary]

i really wished bundles refresh

atleast make it biannually

[wheat ferry]

We all do

[bold thunder]

no anesthesia?

duo no anes would be insane

[bitter estuary]

bc it feels like these spending events feel confusing

like why are the value worse than the journey bundles

[bold thunder]

there's so little to spend money on in the game and what you can spend money on is so expensive

it feels like they're somehow not pandering to either the casuals or the whales anymore

refreshing the bundles and the 1 time double purchases might help, but idrk gacha economics

[bitter estuary]

the only good thing about the game is the gacha rates

rate up every 10x intervals w/ the last 10 being a boosted rate uo is insane ngl

[bold thunder]

I mean I guess

ignoring the free pulls, the price to max a character is still quite high

[bitter estuary]

that being said i think its worse than pgr, but pgr has a weapon banner so there’s that

[wheat ferry]

Gacha rates aren't great but the pool only being the banner unit is the best part

[bold thunder]

and fixing that with free pulls just disincentivizes paying for them even further

[bitter estuary]

that being said if i were to compare it to the big ones it’s great, though it’s really just B tier, because there’s better gacha games out there with “less” predatory systems

like arknights (not arknights:endfield, that one’s among the worse)

[wheat ferry]

DNA probably has the best gacha but I can't see that maintaining the game

[celest robin]

This game really should do away with limited banner heroes

Per me who just started last month have a chance to get the past 5 limited characters even if it’s at half the normal odds. So dumb

[twilit thistle]

Might need a 3rd, but still just 2 zones have towers for that one.

@indigo solar can u be the third for that one

[indigo solar]

No ane would just make it impossible

Not another tower that can deal enough damage

No hoof could be done

[twilit thistle]

Well that sounds like its the one.

Lock in

[bold thunder]

with 50 health you can tank a lot

might still be impossible though yeah

im down for no hoof

maybe full trio no anes is doable

much longer route + only 1 boss per player instead of 2 in solo

[twilit thistle]

No hoof is kinda too easy. I feel like no ane is 100% possible, especially if its just to 15. The question would be whats the next best thing.

[bold thunder]

no double beam maybe?

[white yew]

Every single bit of hard content is trivialized by linears

[indigo solar]

Helhest*

[bold thunder]

linears aren't even the highest dps archetype

they're second or third

helhest just has such an outsized dps ability set

[karmic chasm]

Bro idk Kabr hits crazy hard with RC too

[indigo solar]

Not really harder than other characters with heavy

[karmic chasm]

But trivialized? Maybe not

[bold thunder]

I guess one argument for linears being the best archetype is that they're generally easier to use than snipers in most situations I think

[karmic chasm]

Yes

Also RC having a burst mode is great

[bold thunder]

and there aren't really any good shotgun rolls, I assume because it would've originally made gwynn too good

[indigo solar]

Annihilation being best in slot on a high damage per shot weapon feels so bad

[twilit thistle]

Ok well understatement sure isnt a replacement for ane lmao. I got to wave 14 with hoof muqam and actue tho.

[charred sail]

Rockets just super suck lol, I realized that with ikora

[indigo solar]

Indeed, the only one that even feels decent on her is TTF bc it summons 3x the satellites

[bold thunder]

salsa or vengeance were the best I could come up with (I never got either to work though)

[obtuse turret]

Where is the new character leak info?

[near comet]

.

[drowsy cypress]

i guess if S4 fail i can swap this gacha to 7DSO, marth release aswell

[indigo solar]

Vengeance is good for ads but not as great vs bosses where it doesn't get the reload speed buff

Nocturne isn't bad as a boss tool

[bold thunder]

idk nocturne seemed very bad in my testing

though I think that's mainly just everything feeling bad

[indigo solar]

Theoretically about 70% as strong as ane vs a single target

[bold thunder]

hmm

maybe it's the double beam upgrade then idk

[twilit thistle]

Theres alot of towers that buff stuff, like void for example. Given the layout of the map are those even viable options

[bold thunder]

actually it's probably the targeting

[indigo solar]

Yeah but if vengeance doesn't have its reload, even dark bolt is better

[bold thunder]

do you know how vengeance's damage scaling works?

does it do more than listed to close targets or is it just less than listed to far targets

[indigo solar]

Less to far

[bold thunder]

ok

[twilit thistle]

I was acutally just looking at that one. Its like the only one that actually slows 😂 why is double clap dance so cursed

[bold thunder]

the difficulty I've seen with nocturne (and most dps towers other than anes and vengeance) is that they get distracted by everything but the bosses and end up not damaging the bosses until they've walked for a while

[indigo solar]

Rossi my beloved

[bold thunder]

which is why we need to be able to customize targeting, closest targeting is awful

how do you get rossi's wall to stall enemies

[indigo solar]

Literally just place it

Enemies that walk through get confined

[bold thunder]

for me it just confines them once for 6 seconds when they walk through it

oh ok

[indigo solar]

Bonus points if you place at a corner so they have to walk through twice

[bold thunder]

I thought it locked them in place for the whole duration

[indigo solar]

Unfortunately no

Bubble does tho

[bold thunder]

hmm

[cyan tide]

#🔗│reddit-sharing most recent post

[bold thunder]

I feel like it's not enough to make jolder useful sadly

umeko/rossi/gwynn have a lot more uptime

[indigo solar]

No I meant Rossi bubble

[bold thunder]

oh yeah mb

honestly his bubble lasting for 12 seconds instead of umekos 8 might be worth getting used to him

I just don't like the titan jump 😭

[craggy folio]

Hi all I've hit a wall I have to complete 3 legendary in under 7 mins for silver acclaim any ideas as I'm maxed and cannot update any further

Using helheist tan and wolf

[lapis swallow]

Check if you need to hit a certain level in your Artifacts

[craggy folio]

I'm ok power wise

[bold thunder]

That's a hard question to answer without specifics/gameplay

[craggy folio]

I cannot post pics

[bold thunder]

But the most helpful general advice I can offer is play more aggressively

[lapis swallow]

If you can't clear Leggy Campaign under 7mins, you still lack power

[bold thunder]

Not necessarily true, it depends somewhat on playstyle/skill level

Some people play very cautiously, especially on mobile

[craggy folio]

Yea I'm mobile

Just not killing quick enough

[lapis swallow]

He's not going to clear Heroic Challenge if let's say he's on 35k power and the minimum requirement is 44k

Having higher power level breezes thru enemies like paper

[bold thunder]

I mean while that's true, they did just say it's not a power problem

[lapis swallow]

I still see it as a power problem, your overall speed if slow is still no problem if you can 1 shot most enemies

[craggy folio]

My powers are over 56k

[sharp talon]

are you skipping unnecessary enemies?

[lapis swallow]

Check your weapon stats

Max it out or improve it

[bold thunder]

Not sure if you're able to screen record, but if you dm me a video of a run I can maybe give advice

[craggy folio]

Annoying I can't send a pic

[lapis swallow]

There's also specific areas you can just skip enemies to save time

[pulsar coral]

At 56k it can still be tough dealing with a fast clear. Try pushing to 60k+

[pulsar coral]

Also yes, you should know which enemies to skip.

[craggy folio]

Cannot progress any more I'm stuck at acclaim 14

[craggy folio]

Run past?

[pulsar coral]

Yes usually it’s red health ones

[twilit thistle]

so i did a thing. @indigo solar

[pulsar coral]

Once you hit 15, focus on one character and push for acclaim 19-20. Then get the 2x upgrade for 2x rewards for campaign missions. That will help you get cores faster

[pulsar coral]

I crazily started a alt account, and so I’m acclaim 19 and going through the grind as well

[twilit thistle]

I mean superweapons and ane are kinda mid tbh

[craggy folio]

Ok off to try

[candid tusk]

are there any leaks on the ikora weapon for battle pass? I assume it's going to be light GL AGAIN, and not a rocket launcher since there are zero mythic void LGLs

[bold thunder]

If it's not a rocket, that's very sad

[rough sedge]

I think they’ll add Gjallarhorn

[bold thunder]

Exotic rockets are so bad

[indigo solar]

I'm expecting Truth

[bold thunder]

Sorry exotic rocket

[indigo solar]

Since it was already present in the tests

[candid tusk]

two tailed fox is actually good tbh, but they have yet to release mythic weapons mid season I don't think

[bitter estuary]

except yoshimoto

[candid tusk]

ahhh good call but this was a new weapon type altogether clearly held for release

[twilit thistle]

so like no ane when

also its rate of fire that breaks muqam, i had to dismantle them to get my fps back

[bold thunder]

I'm down later tonight

[candid tusk]

they just released new mythic rocket launchers though, two of them. and no mythic LGLs, and I don't imagine they'll release it in one of the seasonal engrams. Sooooo either they put it in the default engram out of the goodness of their heart, orrrr.... i don't know

I'm betting on it being light GL exotic again

[bitter estuary]

speaking of which we haven't got a new weapon type yet but i assume they had to release rossi so the f2p's can use it without having to pull hh

that being said we really need a sidearm 4*, which might not happen but oh well

[candid tusk]

they won't ever release a new 4* ever again, ever

not with how badly this game is performing, they can't afford to put dev resources into banners that have more than one character

it'll always be one new character per banner

[bold thunder]

Given that for some reason the only thing meaningfully monetized in this game is banner characters, if anything I'd expect more devs devoted to them rather than less

[candid tusk]

yes but it won't be in the same banner, because then you're getting two characters for the price of one

[bold thunder]

I don't really understand the strategy of releasing one mediocre 5* character every 2 months

[candid tusk]

that's because of the game design, it's completely flawed compared to the monetization model

they're both flawed

[twilit thistle]

ya i think gacha is a poor model in general

[candid tusk]

gacha is fine, this is just HORRIBLY designed

they're trying to be "not as predatory" i guess? but simultaneously being too predatory on banners instead of just opening the flood gates to buying mobius clusters, artifacts, artifactual essence, etc. etc. incan clusters

but they have zero content in the game to support a roster-management game, zero

but this is a roster mgmt game

[bold thunder]

I mean maybe

In the context of a game marketed largely to people outside the gacha space, I think it was a questionable choice

The destiny community isn't one I would expect to jump onto the p2w train

[candid tusk]

sure but the same can be said about diablo immortal and it still made hundreds of millions

[cobalt beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804174534879644629

[naive ingot]

[worldly hazel]

I’ve played SO MANY gacha games and I agree this design was terrible. Probably the worst I’ve ever played. Even the little iPhone game Souls has a better gacha mechanic 😭

[twilit thistle]

Often comes at the cost of player trust and game design integrity. The game is psychologically designed to exploit FOMO. Maybe "gacha" is okay, because the word encompasses way too many games. This is a "Character Gacha". If you see 50 other people in the social space, and 40 of them are the exact same "Rare" hero wearing the exact same default outfit, the world feels less like a living universe and more like a clone factory. The core fantasy of Destiny is "I am the Guardian.".

[pulsar coral]

[leaden osprey]

1 character stays more than a month in gacha is not ok

[candid tusk]

That has nothing to do with the issue of the game though. Have you played a lot of gacha games?

[candid tusk]

Yeah this is by far the worst gacha I've ever seen in my life

[leaden osprey]

Look at endfield that’s the attitude when u really listen to players

But not important anymore the game is dying fast so just let it be

[short locust]

Character Gacha over cosmetic gacha was definitely a choice of all time for a Destiny game

[candid tusk]

if anything, this game doesn't have enough p2w to be honest. Too small of p2w for a gacha and the cost of banners is way too high. The game needs more roster-based content that forces you to gear/level every character in the game so then selling the resources for those other characters becomes a lot more appealing to purchase for people. Reduce the cost of banners to get people to have broader rosters buy pay in on god roll artifacts and artifactual essence, etc.

but you need content that actually utilizes the roster. every cycle could have like 4 strikes available for calamity ops that has character requirements so you can't use the same characters for every one of them. They could have dispatch content in packs for good resources that gives more based on total power of those characters being dispatched (like swgoh/msf, etc.)

and obviously cosmetics were neglected

but none of that matters if the end game loop is trash

[indigo solar]

It's been said from the very beginning, this game doesn't know whether to appeal to gacha players or destiny players so it ends up doing a mediocre job for both

[candid tusk]

that's definitely true, but then every new game mode they released is soooo bad, that it's astonishing. Like of ALL of the tower defense choices they could have made, they managed the make the absolute worst tower defense game ever created while simultaneously having no rewards in it

then cordon just straight up is the exact same concept as calamity, even with the same map

[bold thunder]

I think trying to boil it down to one problem is too narrow minded tbh

[leaden osprey]

So true

[indigo solar]

Nah the one problem this game has is that the C-suite is unsure what direction they want to take the game

[candid tusk]

the C-suite doesn't make those decisions, the product owner(s) of the game do

and they don't even play this game clearly

[bold thunder]

Idk I'd argue the choice of IP was a different problem entirely that was largely out of their control

[indigo solar]

This causes them to not make wise monetisation decisions, make the enjoyable game modes limited events in the hopes of FOMO marketing, not develop PvP, create imbalance between characters in the hopes of selling the solution, create extensions and delays every time they try to change directions, etc

[bold thunder]

And at its core the game never really had a meaningful endgame

[carmine mason]

Anyone want to play with a new guy, help me out? EU

[bold thunder]

And even the earlygame is a bit too grindy to catch the attention of the average non destiny gacha whale

[twilit thistle]

It was a cool concept, but if 100% of a game is based on that alone its going to fail. Its a clone factory. There is little customization. What little customization we have is extremely overpriced/confusing/time consuming. Artifacts. Decals.

[short locust]

Yeah it's too basic

[candid tusk]

Honestly, like every single concept in this game, has to be the worst in the market. It's so far off on every one of them that it's likely whatever outsourced team is driving the direction of the game has never even played a single game in their life

[leaden osprey]

The help I can give u is ask u to leave game and play sth else lolol

[bold thunder]

Worst in the market is maybe a stretch, though worse than the big name, successful gachas seems reasonable

[carmine mason]

I mean like play with me

[bold thunder]

There are a lot of really bad really low effort gachas out there

[candid tusk]

it's gotta be the worst tower defense mode ever created, decals have to be the worst customization ever created in modern history

3 months in and already copying characters like kabr/ikora is astonishingly bad

[leaden osprey]

Haven’t logged in for a week now and not planing to … busy manage my base in arknight

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure whether you're using hyperbole or just haven't seen some of the dregs of the genre

[candid tusk]

show me one tower defense game mode worse than bulwark

[balmy raft]

The decals are the single most dogsh cosmetic option I’ve ever seen in any game ever it’s just impossible to make them look good

[candid tusk]

yeah it's absolutely astonishing how bad it is

bulwark is just as bad, for a tower defense mode

and there are thousands of tower defense games to copy from

[indigo solar]

It's still the best PvE shooter on mobile by far

[leaden osprey]

Too many

[balmy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-bloons-td6-banana-gif-27230600

[candid tusk]

are you playing on mobile?

[indigo solar]

Ofc

As God intended

[candid tusk]

I'd venture to guess that most of the players on the upper end are 100% playing on PC, not all of them, but most

[indigo solar]

Most of the upper end players maybe, but most players in general absolutely not

[bitter estuary]

im playing on an ipad, i think some players play on a tablet

[bold thunder]

Upper end as in play time or skill?

[errant narwhal]

i do both

[indigo solar]

If you're playing on mobile, this is the best PvE shooter game for it

[bitter estuary]

really useful in raids because phones heat up quick in long sessions

[candid tusk]

skill, the upper end of overseer, etc. there are a few mobile players but most are PC

and the overseer mobile players almost all struggle to some degree tbh

[obtuse folio]

expanse 40 with touch controls

[errant narwhal]

I use a backbone on mobile

[twilit thistle]

Unbalanced but not bad, i think its a little unexplored tbh bc I just broke the meta, and has a lot of room to improve. Not that bad tho, just in need of more updates. (good foundation)

[indigo solar]

Better than controller

[short locust]

From a mobile only angle that's a good point ngl

[bitter estuary]

sad, snowbreak now is full of fanservice, so there's that, dna hasn't fixed a lot of the issues it has despite having a good story, warframe, is well, warframe

[errant narwhal]

how lol

[bold thunder]

I tend to mix, but I know quite a few people who play on mobile exclusively

[bitter estuary]

im really waiting for tdr, atp

[indigo solar]

Controller's one advantage is the insane aim assist, if you can aim claw is just better

[candid tusk]

it is not fun, it's genuinely awful. the 3 man mode is 3 single game modes. it's HORRENDOUSLY bad. guns are useless in there. it's just all bad. they could have copied gears of war horde mode

[errant narwhal]

touch’s ergonomics is just horrible

[bold thunder]

Bulwark is currently the only game mode I play

[bitter estuary]

it just lacks feedback? that's it?

[indigo solar]

That's just bc you're not used to it

[errant narwhal]

no holding a phone with touch controls

[bold thunder]

Definitely unbalanced, but for my personal tastes I wouldn't personally call it poorly designed

[indigo solar]

Also like, triggers exist

[candid tusk]

the only full touch screen player that I've seen at the high end is Madic on an ipad, and he's legitimately very good on that ipad but he's a young zoomer

[errant narwhal]

I played for months with touch, it was bad the entire time

[bold thunder]

Kaelynn, one of the top gauntlet speedrunners earlier on in the game was iPad only I believe

[bitter estuary]

atp i'd rather get a gamepad on a phone, but true

[indigo solar]

And how long have you played w/ controller

[candid tusk]

this isn't real content though, like nobody cares about this

[twilit thistle]

Yea, its the generic version. I look at it as if its the "alpha" version of what the finished product could be. And lets be honest, its not finished. Saying it is finished is saying that calamity 2 was finished.

[errant narwhal]

This is a really bad argument lol

[candid tusk]

this game won't survive long enough to "finish it". it's a dead game mode

[indigo solar]

No? I'm saying it becomes comfortable as you get used to it, you're saying it feels uncomfortable compared to controller so I'm wondering how long you've played with controller

[leaden osprey]

Revenue drop by half every month since launch says everything

[errant narwhal]

Mnk was comfortable the first month of using it, if a playstyle takes over 6 months to get comfortable its not a good playstyle

[bold thunder]

I'm not sure I understand what your point is then, I thought it was that people who play at the higher end of the game and invest a lot of time into it play exclusively on pc

[neat valley]

New calamity score

[sharp talon]

it only dropped 100k nov to dec

[neat valley]

Helhest ops fr

[candid tusk]

into the actual end game modes, which is raid races on release and cal ops. only like 3-5 people even care about expanse times

although almost nobody cares about cal ops now either. i have zero care to get rank 1

[leaden osprey]

Last dec was 1.3 M this Jan was 634k