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[indigo solar]

I read what you said the first time, In explaining why it doesn't work

[karmic chasm]

Alright enough yapping, hop on Fortnite twin

[short locust]

"Can be contained and made functional" sounds like a nebulous nothing burger idk

[sharp talon]

guys, jaren ward

[true mauve]

I already know why it doesnt work. You dont quit because things are tough and people say you cant do it. You find new ways.

[short locust]

I support the optimism

[tropic swift]

Theres videos out there about perpetual motion devices using magnets but not true perpetual motion. That is seemingly impossible.

[indigo solar]

It's not perpetual motion, it's just converting magnetic energy to electric energy, which isn't useful since artificial magnets need more energy to create than you're getting from them, and natural magnets require a ton of energy to dig up

[true mauve]

Vacuum environments are made all the time for testing 😜

[bold thunder]

I mean I'm not here to ruin someone's fun

[karmic chasm]

I believe in you bro. I unfortunately do not believe in natural perpetual motion

[twilit thistle]

Sounds similar to the discovery (but unconfirmed) from Princeton university. Ability to generate electricity from the spin of the earth itself. It’s just not a lot of energy.

[bold thunder]

I love talking physics, but if you think you can break it, go change the world I guess

[indigo solar]

There are hundreds of years of papers on this subject specifically, explaining in thousands of ways why it will never work

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-3735545950279915070

[true mauve]

Its an answer to the worlds energy crisis. Why would that not be something worth exploring? Cost doesnt matter when end result is free energy.

[true mauve]

And how many said Einsteins theories were incorrect?

[short locust]

Lmao the energy crisis solution is nuclear, a significantly easier problem to solve

[indigo solar]

That's exactly why it would be worth exploring and why the brightest minds for centuries, with tons of funding, have tried finding a way it could be possible, and none have

[bold thunder]

Fewer than you think

[karmic chasm]

YESSSS THANK YOU

[true mauve]

We have 3 in my state, it dont help lol

[karmic chasm]

RARI- how are you consistently on the same wavelength bro

[short locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712091265424031795/1290722139518931067/image0.gif

[true mauve]

Most of the "brightest minds" admit to finding the answer before the how. Planks constant was found and worked, even he didnt understand why it did until years later.

[short locust]

Source? I said so

[indigo solar]

This doesn't really help you like you think it does, there have been thousands trying to prove Newton wrong, and similarly failing

[karmic chasm]

Put them all in Canada

[short locust]

To add to this, it's not even to prove him wrong, but stress test the idea to ensure it's solid

[true mauve]

It is always easier to disprove than prove. You are a tester yourself, you know how testing is. One crazy idea somehow makes it work.

[short locust]

Oh it's crazy alright

[indigo solar]

Like sure feel free to try but I don't think someone with no funding, no materials, and no specific formal education on this topic is going to find something that geniuses with millions of dollars and hundreds of years of research couldn't do

[short locust]

Let's harness Hawking radiation to power my house, it'll probably be easier too

[true mauve]

Still can have fun and a hobby aside from DR, atleast when DR dies I still have knowledge on real world stuff

[bold thunder]

Now that is definitely a valid reason

[karmic chasm]

Let’s just say, if you solve it, you’re essentially the God of Physics, and the government will come kill you

[bold thunder]

I mean you may not solve the energy crisis, but you'll know a lot about electromagnetism

Never a bad thing to know about

[true mauve]

Trying to teach my kids to think for themselves bro, and teach them cool stuff

[short locust]

Nothing wrong with having a hobby, but If I claimed I was going to make a portable sun in my backyard, I'd anticipate some skepticism being thrown my way

[karmic chasm]

The only perpetual physical motion I’ve seen is jiggling in anime

[true mauve]

Started with some magnet batteries making a wire clip spin

[twilit thistle]

Best shot is discovering quantum gravity. Free energy does not truly exist tho. Just more efficient ways of generating electricity.

[bold thunder]

I mean I wouldn't personally recommend teaching them to distrust science, especially science like newtonian physics that has been tried and tested for a long time

[true mauve]

Oh i straight up admitted I hit a wall and cant get over it lol

[bold thunder]

But teaching them to think about things in general is always healthy

[short locust]

The wall in question: Thermodynamics

[true mauve]

Not distrust, to test and see for themselves and learn why it works.

[bold thunder]

That's fair

[true mauve]

Knowing basics is always fundamentally better

[short locust]

I didn't get that vibe, but if that is the end goal, I'm down with that after some rewording

[bold thunder]

Skepticism is a very healthy mindset as long as it's not just contrarionism in disguise

[true mauve]

You have to push the mold to break it, things dont just happen to you

[bold thunder]

There's a difference between not blindly trusting that the wall is solid and believing the wall isn't solid just because people tell you it is

[short locust]

I used to have a theory when I was like 10 that the universe would slow its expansion until it eventually reversed from gravity, collapsing all matter into 1 point until it couldn't maintain it, and big bang cycle again. (This doesn't hold up BTW) but it was fun to theorycraft

[bold thunder]

Hey we don't really know what's making the universe expand so 🤷

[twilit thistle]

Ye we still don’t understand it lol. Dark energy and dark matter 😭

[true mauve]

Thats some wild crazy thinking. You goin deep. Im just teaching my kids basic science and that they have the creativity and imagination to try diff things with it.

[quiet tide]

who's better kabr the resolute or jolder?

[true mauve]

Im not letting them near my perpetual motion stuff

[bold thunder]

I mean earlier you were claiming that you could make an infinite energy device out of magnets

Which is what I've been referring to

I'm not criticizing your parenting

[true mauve]

Do you think my 5yr old would understand that?

I said batteries and magnets to spin a wire clip

Youtube the easy at home stuff lol its how I started

[short locust]

Lol what does one thing have to do with the other?

You did claim that

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[short locust]

Did we even know how old your kids even were??

[true mauve]

I said alot today, how far up is it?

[true mauve]

I did say 2020 for bday

[bold thunder]

I didn't even know you had kids for 90% of this (or even that you were an adult)

[short locust]

You have a lot of faith people care to memorize the details of someone else's life in a Gacha discord server of all places

[bold thunder]

I was just joining a discussion about whether magnets could be used for infinite energy

I don't know anything about how you treat/educate your kids

[short locust]

Far from the craziest thing I've heard today tho so what do I know

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/blackhole-space-astronomy-gif-25036689

[bold thunder]

I do know however that you seem to have a misunderstanding of how electromagnetism works (which is fine, very few people understand it and it's a great incentive to want to learn more about it)

[true mauve]

You were in that convo an hour ago 💀 yall act like youve already memorized everything I said so why wouldnt I assume 😜

[earnest gust]

anyone here do shadow keeper ~ the seals at least ~ how does one complete one punch card and otk

[true mauve]

I have a hard wall I hit, cant get over. #💭│main-chat message
Here is original message

Then it became a debate on laws and physics

[karmic chasm]

Lowkey Kabr bc of weapon types, but honestly Jolder is a better true tank

[quiet tide]

i got them both at 2 copies

[karmic chasm]

Bro I lost a game bc you were backing me up 🥀
Kidding, take ur time

[bold thunder]

For one punch card, I copied this from something a while ago, I don't really remember shadowshaper tbh

I did it with ogre + think tank, but prior to the glitch being found I was theorycrafting this
turn 1 hexguard, turn 4 jolder, turn 5 tan+finala, turn 6 thinktank

[quiet tide]

what's the bis for kabr

[karmic chasm]

Artifacts or weapons?

[quiet tide]

weapons im rly new to think about artifacts

or should i focus already to get artifacts

[short locust]

I barely remember what I had for breakfast

[karmic chasm]

I think two great options for him would be Symmetry plus End of the Line, but I use Total Lockdown plus Royale Contravene, or sometimes Arby

[bold thunder]

Sorry if I ruined your fun, I got caught up in the physics and didn't mean to be condescending

[quiet tide]

oh i only have jade rabbit and end of the line 💀

[twilit thistle]

Only one place u can break laws of physics tho. I don’t think the singularity of a black hole is a viable option ngl

[karmic chasm]

Jade rabbit is unfortunately buns for pve. I’d focus on getting symmetry, but use Jade until then

[quiet tide]

tnx

[earnest gust]

alr gotta wait thinktank to roll out in shop

where do you get the finala card if you remember?

[simple plank]

I’d say use Contravene over Symmetry

Arby’s good if you wanna pay for it

[narrow bridge]

:

[bold thunder]

We don't even know what, if any, laws of physics don't apply there tbh

[tight talon]

Me when people keep recommending exotic Heavies when Kabr's highest damage comes from Scout which is primary

[bold thunder]

We just know that some of our models of physics break down in the conditions assumed to exist in a singularity

[bold thunder]

I don't remember, sorry

[naive ingot]

[bold thunder]

Should say in the collection though

[tropic swift]

What are you running on KabR?

[tight talon]

Symmetry/EoL

EoL literally can beat Contravene in a setup

Esp with Searing Mark

So why bother wasting an exotic slot on Heavy when Kabr himself does more damage with primary

[cyan tide]

Idk man, EoL hits like a wet noodle with Kabr

[stark forge]

bc i dont want to waste core on exotic primary ?

[twilit thistle]

If you look back, you start to see the future of the universe, so for right now its not rlly viable. Time dilation always ruining the fun

[tight talon]

How high have you seen?

Ngl i hit like 628k on final shot

At the minimum (majority of the times)

[tropic swift]

Haven't even used my Symmetry yet, letalone leveled it up.
Got the dupes for it though.

[cyan tide]

I didn't check exact numbers but Kabr just performs way better with RC in my experience. Meanwhile, EoL struggles to take down shinkas in a single mag

[tight talon]

jeez

[naive ingot]

I've not used it either. Not got cata1 done yet. One dupe so far

[tight talon]

Idk man, EoL performs fine as long as the thing getting hit is blind and i fire through shield

[cyan tide]

I thought EoL being close to RC was just a Helhest thing, it definitely doesn't feel like it competes on Kabr

[tight talon]

What i mean was

They are practically inline cause Kabr buffs Scouts than LFRs

[twilit thistle]

👀

[naive ingot]

👀

[twilit thistle]

As a counter argument, where is this useful? Sure, the math is there, but do the activities support it? For issakis, I am lucky to get off three izi shots for example.

[red geyser]

[gusty bridge]

Are you able to push fast time in expanse terminus using Primary mainly, like Symmetry?

[naive ingot]

[sturdy geyser]

[naive ingot]

🍪

[stark forge]

[indigo solar]

It's really just that you want symmetry on him, not only is it a really strong scout (and since he doesn't have ammo gen you can't use heavy the whole time), but it does crazy damage when stacked with barricades, even better than linears

[twilit thistle]

ngl i was hoping I could kite u

[indigo solar]

About to drive home but ping me in like 15 minutes and I'll be happy to help

[bold thunder]

Given how expensive weapons are to max, it seems reasonable to try to predict what the optimal weapons might be in a future scenario where we actually have a meaningful dps check imo

But yeah atm "optimal" dps isn't super important outside of niche situations

[twilit thistle]

i just meant I dont know kabr 😂

[gusty bridge]

My T4 Kabr Terminus times are…
Symmetry/EOL 8:07
Total Lockdown/RC 6:55
Total Lockdown/Arbalest 7:03
Total Lockdown/Arbalest swap to RC on 40 is 6:13

If you want easy game, can clear endgame, use symmetry. You want to push your time and damage, Exotic Heavies.

[barren phoenix]

Anyone know the god roll for saizo cross bow??

[wide dagger]

What’s the stuff to use in the new tower thingy

[bold thunder]

If you have anesthesia, stone hoof, and 2* muqam, that's the build most people are using atm

You can mix in buffs like acute field and understatement as well if you like

[wide dagger]

I tried and I lost ,

[bold thunder]

I have a couple video guides on the build if you want:
solo - #videos-and-streams message
coop 2 entrance map - #videos-and-streams message

The build orders can be a bit unintuitive sometimes

[wide dagger]

I need these , imma watch em thank u

[indigo solar]

Trinklieder/Hyperaemia for group content with good players, Soldiarity/Hyperaemia for solo content or bad randoms

[simple plank]

Damage ramp up on a heavy bruh

[delicate mango]

man I'm looking at the leaderboard in y'all really want that 1st place

[indigo solar]

Kill a couple of ads and do double damage to big enemies

Crossbows are good for ad clear anyways, large ammo pools and massive amounts of ammo per brick

Plus the reload is huge, since you're presumably using it for Rossi who doesn't have a way to speed up reloads

[modest mortar]

are sparrow racing maps on a timer or smth

[dusty spire]

Maxed sym yesterday it’s ok

Only thing about it I don’t like is the speed you switch between modes

[gusty bridge]

That and Mag size is too small too.

[short locust]

Mode switches has always been clunky, even in D2. Should've just made it fire orbs in hip fire, and make them terrible base, but scale with stacks

Dead Man's Tale esque, but reversed

[dusty spire]

Fair, it’s like you want to switch the gun mode but by doing so your actually hindering dps during the fight.

Might as-well just reload and stay in the primary fire mode since you have to build up the arc blast shots

[short locust]

Even aside from DPS its unfun to juggle anyway, and the only issue I could see is some potentially PvP breaking TTK combos but even then

[dusty spire]

Agreed, really good for CC but what’s the point lol

[short locust]

It's not like they're against the playstyle either since this is literally how TLW plays to keep both buffs active

[dusty spire]

Just need this solar titan to hurry and come lol

I do like the void cycle

Void got a decent pool of heroes

That can actually be used lol

[heady fulcrum]

[twilit thistle]

@bold thunder I am having issues getting all ane, no hoof, no lightbearer damage going today. Keep getting wrecked on wave 5 or 6.

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar

[dusty spire]

Please release jotuun user after next banner

Or maybe 🤔 next banner could be

[indigo solar]

It's shielded today, you can't brute force it like you can with warping

You'll need some tower to remove shields

[dusty spire]

Why do I feel like a fusion rifle user is around the corner

And anyone got any of the beta alpha fusions ?

Or did it not have any lol😂

Must be balancing issues lol

How we ain’t had 1 new fusion rifle since release

[indigo solar]

Only one in alpha was attal, fusions were heavy
Only one in beta was Xuan

[dusty spire]

😒 no way….

1….

??

[indigo solar]

But hey there was this fusion/rocket char in an ad once

[twilit thistle]

Ane was removing those shields, its was just getting so sweaty I reached out for help. Im pretty sure it would work, but the skill required to do so was going thru the roof.

[gusty bridge]

Is Rapid Ikora the next banner?

[indigo solar]

(No it's not Maru, it's just her model)

[dusty spire]

Maru?

[indigo solar]

Ane doesn't remove shields?

[twilit thistle]

It melts them.

[dusty spire]

Impact or rapid imo

[bold thunder]

it will likely only work with vex, because warping has a cooldown

maybe dark fog if you have high enough dps to kill the enemies before they get to the back half of the map, but I doubt it

shielded is way too high damage reduction to brute force, and invis obviously your anes won't even shoot them

[calm vortex]

ill take more fusion characters cause it means they'll make more mythic fusions for Xuan Wei to use lol

[bold thunder]

are you sure? I was under the impression shielded could only be removed with an anti shield tower

[calm vortex]

They might mean the physical shields the Hive guys have?

[bold thunder]

if anes really can remove shielded we can probably make something work with it, but I haven't noticed it doing it myself

[bold thunder]

pretty sure today is cabal, so I assume they mean the actual modifier

but if I'm wrong and it's hive, then dark fog would be a similar issue

[calm vortex]

Cabal in solo and Hive in Co-op

[bold thunder]

oh ok

yeah they're talking about a heavily afk farming build for solo they designed yesterday on vex day

[indigo solar]

It does not, in fact, melt them

[bold thunder]

ok yeah, that's likely the issue then

swapping out the 2 front most anesthesias for level 1 stone hoofs may be enough to make the build work @twilit thistle

or even long nails

though without the warping effect, I'm guessing your anes will kill the wave 15 bosses

so you may need to run fewer anes to still die to exactly the wave 15 bosses

[naive ingot]

Both

[bold thunder]

we have 1 character total and 0 available characters that can use sidearms

give me sidearm lmg ikora

[naive ingot]

Lore accurate Ikora used a shotgun, and auto rifles.

Plus I've been powercrept enough

[bold thunder]

I mean I'd prefer they just bring gwynn back

but they seem uninclined to do so for some reason

[bold thunder]

I could see that, though we did just get a shotgun character

[naive ingot]

A 4* that uses sidearms

[bold thunder]

a 5* auto rifle would be nice

[naive ingot]

That's in permenant draws too

[bold thunder]

sidearm sniper rifle so we can have a new meta dps character 👀

[naive ingot]

My alt account that's more f2p I keep getting sidearms and can't use them 😂

[bold thunder]

same though

[naive ingot]

Side arm lmg

[bold thunder]

imo that's the most sensible combo

[naive ingot]

New lmg being Thunderlord

[bold thunder]

but if we're already doing rapid + impact on ikora idk if theyd do the same on a 4*

[karmic chasm]

When they adding this character?

[naive ingot]

New sidearms, Trespasser please... Or Travellers Chosen

[simple plank]

Oh my goodness I’m literally in creative

[toxic plume]

Haven't played in a while is my lighting monkey king now top tier

[bold thunder]

rat king when

counts double stacks per person because there are 2 of them

[short locust]

Devils Ruin when

[twilit thistle]

Had it going last night with 1 hoof in the back. It got to 17, which is further than needed. Testing with all ane just now showed its not viable. 🤔

[bold thunder]

yeah you definitely need at least some form of anti shield

[short locust]

Doesn't Hoof grant shield break and anti fog to anything in radius? Or am I misremembering

[naive ingot]

Dual strums

[short locust]

Drang you mean?

[bold thunder]

anti fog yes, it itself breaks shields when its wave hits an enemy

[short locust]

That'll be it then

[bold thunder]

@indigo solar what actually causes a wall jump, do you know?

[indigo solar]

I know that when you're jumping against a slope, horizontal motion gets converted upwards so you get a slight boost. I'm not sure why exactly wall jumping works other than it somehow thinking it isn't quite vertical

[bold thunder]

ok ty

I meant more what do I need to do to replicate it

since it seems super inconsistent to me

[indigo solar]

Or maybe since players seem to be pill-shaped, if you clip slightly into the wall, the curved top portion makes it think the wall is at an angle to you

[bold thunder]

so ty, the slope thing should help I think

[indigo solar]

Depends on the wall

I've heard some people on PC can do it consistently by turning towards the wall when they jump

[calm vortex]

Since you can set your framerate limit in DRising I wonder if theres any jank bugs you can do with higher or lower FPS or maybe make some tricks easier

[bold thunder]

a lot of d1 and 2 was frame dependent so maybe

[indigo solar]

I will say there's one oob jump in single player bulwark that's much more difficult on 30 fps vs 60

You have to stand on a tiny ledge and for whatever reason it's much more difficult to stand on at 30

[calm vortex]

thats the kinda jank I live for

[bold thunder]

speaking of bulwark

it's 2 entrance hive today

anyone want to go for a 40+ run?

[thick finch]

is there a reason to go past 15?

genuine question :p

[thorny frost]

Rewards no, it is mainly for personal achievement/fun and to test to see if there might be better tower combos. Maybe someday leaderboards?

[balmy raft]

No

[twilit thistle]

1 foxtrot rest are ane. 🤞

[drowsy cypress]

why?

Devs dont need money?

[bold thunder]

?

What's the question sorry?

[twilit thistle]

I dont think its a question, I think its a doompost.

[wheat ferry]

They posted the same "question" 4 days ago😭

[twilit thistle]

🫠 of course 1 foxtrot is outdoing hoof. bc, logically that makes 100% complete sense.

[hidden carbon]

Hoof is so buggy. Love it when it fails to break a shielded effect

[bold thunder]

I haven't noticed it do that tbh, but maybe it's because I usually max out its firerate

[twilit thistle]

ig hoof is the way to go then. Just put a hoof in the back, same setup as yesterday. Just not as efficient.

[bitter estuary]

i hope this isn't obvious enough

60 free pulls, s3 extended by 4 weeks in total which makes s4 start at march 26th, said new character is coming to the standard banner after this season

[balmy raft]

End of service soon

🙏

[drowsy cypress]

i have around 8k leaves lol, no need 2 pay for next hero

[drowsy cypress]

feels like yes now. Graph drop everyday lower and lower

[bitter estuary]

i have 67 le boats, not a lot bc i spent most of it on jaren

im kinda only getting t0 of next character, then once rerun is around i'll try target t6 helhest

(which is impossible)

[drowsy cypress]

i have t6 helh, i dunno what i need now🤣

[cobalt beacon]

It wont they have marvel rivals

[elder wing]

Hel is gone. Won’t come back bruh

[twilit thistle]

Eos is essentially an exit scam, or a rug pull (also known as bait and switch). Essentially that would just show netease truly only cared about recouping some of the money lost, over the 7 years it was in development

[tropic swift]

Got my 1st Engram from the 50+ Seasonal Chest 😂

[cobalt beacon]

Tbf this game pulls in way more money than destiny 2

[bitter estuary]

me when it's a GACHA GAME for a reason

[bitter estuary]

will be even more than marathon

[cobalt beacon]

Yup

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/bahaha-lol-hd-gif-minion-minion-laugh-gif-2154867417577880306

[cobalt beacon]

🤣🤣

[tropic swift]

So uh... I had a lot of stuff in my mail.. Spring Cleaning y'all!

[drowsy cypress]

sad, but EVERY new project since 2018 for me ends up returning to MLBB. Unduying game😏

[bitter estuary]

going from gacha game to gacha game and being surprised how much crap is bearable compared to the competition

[bitter estuary]

mlbb sucks, go play aov/hok

[drowsy cypress]

these games are bad, no1 play it from CIS. Abs dead

mlbb is 15-20kk mounthly revenue lol

[bitter estuary]

mlbb is the only thing i'd play with irl friends bc apparently no one plays anything that's not a moba or a battle royal

[bold thunder]

Low revenue often indicates a dying game

High revenue definitely doesn't mean a game is good though

[bitter estuary]

hoyoverse gacha games are bare minimum to be called games and they rake in insane profits

hsr getting so much awards is prolly bc they can pay awards since they had 4 spending events in a month

[drowsy cypress]

insane revenue, insane playercount, insane tournaments amount does

[bold thunder]

How?

Early in the days of mobile games, Game of War consistently had the highest revenue of any mobile game

It was barely even a game

More of a credit card sink

[twilit thistle]

😂 since when does issakis kill you and not the entire fireteam. And the better question, how did a hellhest and 3 jarens all fail to put out more damage than me. That was just 1 izi shot.

[drowsy cypress]

its whale-funded scam

[bold thunder]

High revenue just means you have some draw for people to spend money, it doesn't mean that that draw actually has any meaningful effort or quality baked in

[balmy raft]

I think you fail to realize how bad the average destiny player is, the bar has not changed in the last 10 years lol

[elder wing]

You understand some people don’t have fully maxed out characters right or can’t use them?

[drowsy cypress]

revenue+playercount+attendance is sigh of good game

[twilit thistle]

I didnt even do anything that match. I shot izi once at issakis. They were high up there too.

above 70k

[drowsy cypress]

u need only max helhest to be competetive here🤣

[elder wing]

Those are ur average f2p bot players. Is like playing shifting gates and getting higher score then bots

[twilit thistle]

Then explain the t6 hellhest bot. 74620 with united axion.

[balmy raft]

Screenshotting lfg issakis likes its lfg aksis in 2018 i fw it

[twilit thistle]

im just farming proficiency and trying to get a final copy of gallows. Umekos at 23086 proficiency

[elder wing]

Proved my point

[twilit thistle]

The only point you have really made is that you dont like me, I can always hop on emea, as I have a f2p umeko.

[rain condor]

To be fair Melting point Dark drinker Titan was fun before the dead orbit rocket meta

[tidal niche]

When will the bring back the mythic characters if ever

[balmy raft]

A knower

[wheat ferry]

Isn't that the spinny sword? Used to work great on the last boss of wrath of the machine

[elder wing]

Like you? Nah just saying a good player with a T6H won’t do that type of dmg. But if you happy with that we happy to see it

[tidal niche]

Cause I feel bad for new players that missed on on character like gwen and can’t even use her exotic sidearms if they get them

[signal spade]

issakis dies before you can cast your ult damage drone and volley half the time lmao

[tidal niche]

Just solo issakis bruh

[signal spade]

i doubt anyones going into gallows farm looking for 3 second dps window screenshots

[balmy raft]

@signal spade does the d2 clan hot local singles mean anything to you or am I thinking of a different flame

[signal spade]

uh ive heard of the clan but im not in it

[balmy raft]

👍

[simple plank]

Gacha game
Attendance
Revenue
Revan

KOTOR remake coming out tomorra got it

[rain condor]

Yes dark drinker is the spinny sword

[signal spade]

but back to the other convo i have to assume the revenue dip is like intentional at this point, the store has been empty for a month and they gave away 60 pulls for free on top of the like 10 you get every 2 weeks from calamity ops so ppl got to t2 for more or less free

im just sitting on boats and theres nothing id even want to spend money on

netease cant be like 'omg why game no print money'

[twilit thistle]

Dont rlly understand what u mean. I litterally have a clone of my umeko on emea, just f2p. #19 general i think.

[wheat ferry]

I don't think it includes their webstore either but not sure

[tidal niche]

It’s a step in the right direction if you ask me, because sometimes if you can’t get a character you’re forced to either buy the game pass or the monthly pass just so that you can afford the character if you’re new and f2p, it happened to me with hellhest

[signal spade]

its prob similar regardless, game legit has nothing to swipe for. I had a friend start the game last week and he bought the 100 dollar silver pack to get the bonus 6k silver and he could only spend like half of it without feeling like he was wasting the rest lmao

so dude just has like 6k silver sitting there for whatever now mostly cause he didnt want to buy the LE bundles for kabr

[tidal niche]

I almost missed out on her because I legit farmed everyday for lumia leafs and I got her on the 60th pull 3 days before the season ended

So yes them making the first pulls have a higher chance and giving away pulls is a step in the right direction

[signal spade]

yea i mean i think the game will make infinite money if they make the kabr rollout a norm but do like 40ish pulls instead of 60 and then just hard commit to skin banners like that last word thing as the money sink

people dont realize how much d2 lived off whales for like years

and eververse actually sucked

[dusk hemlock]

At the end of the day its a gatcha game and the company will do what they can to increase their revenue. That type of change might be good for the player but it will most likely result in less in game purchasing which is their whole revenue. It makes sense to retain people a little more but that means less change in their pocket

[signal spade]

this game has like 16 characters to make skins for and weapon skins for and sparrows/ships/whatever

where winds meet is a money printer and they have 0 pay 2 win

just pay $40kUSD 2 yacht

[elder wing]

Rising is the most empty gacha ever lmao… kabr for straight 7 months aha gacha

[simple plank]

I want silver palace to come out

It has funni guns

And British ladies

[rain condor]

I’m waiting on silver palace too

[dusk hemlock]

Im sure they are just going to re release every legendary character as mythic. It be nice if they followed the same system as kabr as it makes is SOMEWHAT bareable to do pulls

[signal spade]

active players are gettin kinda rich rn, by april most ppl who never quit will be like incredibly stocked on mats

[dusk hemlock]

But even then why do we have multiple of the same characters🙃

[signal spade]

i have every characters artifact circle thing maxed out except for 1, one more month and ill have surplus for any new character before it drops

[wheat ferry]

"Do you want more ikora with your ikora?"

[dusk hemlock]

I dont even want the first ikora😭

[tidal niche]

I mean they also release where winds meet and it’s completely free where the only purchase is the fashion

[dusk hemlock]

I have not farmed as I really should be. I need to finish everyone's relic and stuff. The limitation on the loot can be frustrating especially with the gold nuggets

[signal spade]

yea expanse is the only thing i make sure not to skimp out on those mats are annoying

[tidal niche]

You also forget that they make money for the stores whenever someone downloads their games, they also make money from their clients on pc and their pc ads, that’s also a good source of revenue

[signal spade]

yea i mean the moral of the story is rising feels unfinished as a game and as a gacha so i expect a soft relaunch for the 2.0 or whatevers happening in april

also pc release would instantly pop off overnight 🙏

[dusk hemlock]

Yea and thats for the people with units strong enough to do the harder expanse to get all the goods

[tidal niche]

It’s the same way supercell makes money, you can completely f2P their entire game catalog and be fine, they also make money from people streaming the game and making videos about the game

[wheat ferry]

It is definitely feeling unfinished but hopefully the changes in april will help

[tidal niche]

There are many many examples of free games that make money by just having players play the game and download it

[dusk hemlock]

Just release another townhall. And another. And another. And another...

[naive ingot]

So would console.....but D2 still being a thing.

[tidal niche]

^

[signal spade]

itll happen eventually id imagine, d2 feels like its on life support

and has felt that way for like 2 years now

[wheat ferry]

Bungie needs D3 but people won't abandon D2 for DR either

[signal spade]

theres not that many people holding onto d2 right now to feel like theyre abandoning it

[dusk hemlock]

With the state that D2 is in people just might. The content has been nothing but recycled after recycle and making older content completely obsolete. D3 would probably be the only saving grace at this point. Although I am guilty of still running a trials card every week but thats the most the game gets out of me

[signal spade]

all rising has to do is say theyre doing a new raid every 6 months and people will put d2 down for sure

[bold thunder]

Idk I think the people who would ever abandon d2 for dr already did

D2 and dr are basically different genres of games

[simple plank]

Marathon let’s go wooo

[signal spade]

i think a lot of ppl just dislike the emulator and mobile ui and capped graphics settings

[simple plank]

Loot chase is back

[signal spade]

and thats stopping a lot of ppl from committing

[bold thunder]

The majority of the d2 playerbase wouldn't enjoy this, for various reasons (mobile game, character structure, playtime limit, difficulty style, etc)

[dusk hemlock]

I mean personally it doesnt feel like a mobile game. Not entirely. I run it on my PC and I forget im playing a mobile game

[signal spade]

if d2 had just stopped wasting infinite dev hours on bad seasonal content and just committed to raid content every 5-6 months people would still play regularly

[dusk hemlock]

Im a hard-core D2 player and I will say the pinnacle limit is what frustrated me. Like I WANT to play the game more and grind more for mats and other items but im blocked by a certain amount I can do a day

[signal spade]

they messed up the chase in d2 so bad and all of the raid content is garbage damage sponge dps checks now

[bold thunder]

I think even as simple as never adding the portal would've saved the game

[dusk hemlock]

Its their method of longevity and continuously keeping people comi g back every day

[bold thunder]

Back when the game came out it was definitely the biggest issue for me, and one I heard regularly from people I knew who tried it out

[dusk hemlock]

The portal killed D2. It was the final nail in the coffin because what do you mean those are the only things I can do to really level up and get things I want AND playing by myself will level me up the best???

[bold thunder]

I think the monetization scheme of a gacha was also a turn off for a lot of d2 players though, most people from that space don't really have much exposure to the world of mobile games and didn't realize how predatory it can feel

[bold thunder]

It's what singlegandedly made me quit

[dusk hemlock]

Completely neutering the idea of fireteams and playing with friends

[signal spade]

yea but if you play the game for the first time now they just spoonfeed you a half upgraded exotic and a t5 character

theres actually nothing to swipe for

[bold thunder]

I enjoyed basically everything else about EoF, even parts of the dlc that people generally disliked

[dusk hemlock]

I got t 400 then quit for about 6 months

[bold thunder]

But the portal focus killed the game for me and I haven't logged on since ash and iron :(

[dusk hemlock]

Mind numbingly farming the same mission BY YOURSELF the they came out to say they'd RESET the power every season

[wheat ferry]

Don't forget they neutered the only activity that people could run with friends because they were clearing it too quickly😭

[bold thunder]

I feel like the first season of portal caused a lot of issues in the development cycle

[dusk hemlock]

When they nerfed the exotic mission it really killed any form of team play whatsoever. I lost all of my friends to the last two expansions all because they decided to go from a multi-player game to a single player game that rewarded no one for effort

[bold thunder]

It was new and everyone was giving it a chance and so they focused on how long it took to grind in portal and the netfs and such

[signal spade]

the first iteration of the portal was the worst thing ive ever seen in any game in recent memory

[dusk hemlock]

They made everything easy to obtain and there is now effectively no "endgame" content.

[bold thunder]

When the portal system itself was problematic, no matter how short they make the grind

[signal spade]

even now its still terrible nobody wants to change modifiers to play the game

[bold thunder]

Like apparently they've made light grinding a ton faster now, but why would I want to play if portal is the only thing worth playing anyway

[signal spade]

you cant even just open d2 and just play you have to open d2, spend 5 minutes reading modifiers, check your score, navigate like 3 menus, then play

[dusk hemlock]

Its stupid easy I got 550 just by playing trials a LITTLE bit. But whats the point

[simple plank]

If an mmo has loot that only contributes to power, it’s just a grind

If loot isn’t exciting, creating new play styles, or opening up fun in different game modes it ain’t loot

[dusk hemlock]

Trials ain't worth it. No good loot and flawless means nothing now and pve content is boring with the only difficulty being tedious modifiers you put on

[wheat ferry]

Grinding loot is the reason I don't want to play an MMO too. It sounds mindnumbingly boring😭

[dusk hemlock]

I wouldnt be bored if I wasnt having to do it solo. ITS an MMO yet they are making everything soloable and enticing solo play more.makes no sense

[simple plank]

Unfortunately it’s quite common

SWTOR’s another example that comes to mind. Sure, you can grind for max power. But there’s no real engine motivating people to play or progress

Just the story and experiencing the content

[signal spade]

they need roster content in this game bad, not just 1 character content

[simple plank]

Maybe PvP if you care

What can power be attached to in D2 to make it meaningful. We don’t want power in gms or trials anymore

So like, why do we need power

[dusk hemlock]

Pvp will always be endgame for players that really care about grinding and earning stuff. Like why do all the hard pve stuff in the first place. So you can use all your shiny new stuff in pvp. But bungie doesn't care about pvp and now is making pve too easy so now pve endgame doesnt matter either

[bold thunder]

I mean the old power system was fine though imo

[dusk hemlock]

I agree

[bold thunder]

If you wanted to play gms and stuff you were incentivized to do your weekly challenges

Otherwise you could just play the game

Guess it wasn't enough playtime for them though

[dusk hemlock]

They need to work on quality vs a way to keep you playing constantly. The method they used was tedious pointless farming instead of releasing juicy content that would have had the same affect

[signal spade]

champions also devoured destiny enjoyment

hehe go run this lost sector 500x for exotics but only use these 3 weapons for 6 months straight

[dusk hemlock]

I miss destiny 1 nightfall. Thoughs were horrendously hard but gave you stupid good loot at the end. Now its do gms for golf balls and a bad rolled legendary over and over until you get what you want

[signal spade]

they also released armor 3.0 or whatever they call it without including exotics

so they could use it as a content drop later

[bold thunder]

I didn't mind champions, though I think adding double weapon mods in the artifact and more alternative ways to stun was healthy

But bungie consistently shows that their main way to increase difficulty is to make enemies take more and do more damage

[signal spade]

shinkas are just better in every way, shinkas dont go fully immune or heal themselves

[bold thunder]

And I'd rather my loadout be slightly limited than get 1 shot constantly

[signal spade]

yea i mean d2 singes are like 50%

so every build needs to have like 3 sources of infinite DR to work at all

[dusk hemlock]

Not to mention steering into the direction of damage gating. Like let me burn the boss please.

[bold thunder]

Mechanical damage gates are one thing

So many bosses now health gate so they can do an animation

No player input at all, all it does is make the fight artificially longer

[dusk hemlock]

Exactly and for what purpose. Just to squeeze a couple more seconds of playtime. Im gonna have to run the damn thing again because rng and drops. So why make it take a little longer for no reason

[signal spade]

desert perpetual day 1 was like the most 'why' thing in the world

[short locust]

D2 had a powercreep problem, which prompted the gates

[signal spade]

you do 2 10 minute phases just to see if you can hit a 10 second burn check

[dusk hemlock]

Heaven forbid our characters get a lot stronger than years old bosses. Just make newer stronger ones then.

[short locust]

Bad idea

You will creep too far eventually, and your options are make a new game or reset everyone which ppl have been mad about already

[dusk hemlock]

They already had a D2 why not D3. Resetting the damage and putting gates as well as making bosses healthier just makes things tedious.

I like warframes concept more for this issue. Once you peak out on some characters you do steel path and EVENTUALLY enemies will just be too strong for you. BUT for a long while you can enjoy the power and OP Ness you obtained via grinding and upgrading

[short locust]

Its almost inevitable, but you'd like powercreep to happen as slowly as possible

[simple plank]

I think Year 1 D1 had the right idea. Making everything so ridiculously rare, that the engine for playing is loot always

[dusk hemlock]

Destiny doesnt feel rewarding anymore and thats the problem. Everything feels like a chore

[simple plank]

And as you get good at activities with consistent loot, at the back your brain you’re hoping for that Gally drop

[dusk hemlock]

Thats what made it such a worthy grind. There was a reward

[short locust]

Becuase what's the point of new loot if you already have loot so strong there's no point. And you can make loot even stronger

D2 plays itself nowadays

There's nothing in Renegades I could give a damn about because my hunter can already Threaded Spike into the Buffed Gunpowder gamble and literally level a room in seconds

What gun could you possibly give me that I could care about

[dusk hemlock]

Variety

[tropic swift]

tLYrsNkq

[short locust]

Lmao you'd think so but the reality doesn't support that

I wish it were true

[twilit thistle]

I wonder if hoof but only with the 10,000 upgrade will end it quicker. 🤔

bulwark in a nutshell lol you only need two towers

[dusty spire]

First and last time I do waves past 15 lol

[dusty spire]

I think we need a progression system to actually power up weapons or other things, so it’s not based on just maxing through resources but also through play?

Could help with leaderboards if power eventually scales around character usage

[short locust]

Warframe has a similar system called Mastery, and it works decently enough sure

[twilit thistle]

@bold thunder IT WORKED

[bold thunder]

Nice!! Which setup?

The 1 hoof?

[gusty bridge]

Like d2 catalysts. Do this event, kill such and such. That will give a reason to play strikes or sg, or ironbar, onslaught…

[twilit thistle]

1 hoof with 1 of 2 upgrades.

Same enhancements as before.

Essentially, its just another way to go afk for the last 5 or 6 rounds. At the same time, getting the most efficient ending possible. (so that no time is wasted farming wave 16)

[bold thunder]

I like it

I'm surprised it clears exactly 14 and not 15

Crazy work

[soft bobcat]

Lol interesting build nice ;D

[twilit thistle]

Its the same as yesterday, thats what I am working towards. A guide for all combos/modifiers to get the most efficient farm especially while I still only have t3 towers.

[vagrant veldt]

Doing a search, I see lots of folks clowning on riskrunner and its users. I'm having trouble telling from the messages: is it an actively bad weapon, or is it just not meta and viable=/=BiS is being rounded up to "weapon is garbage?" 🤔

Mostly I just personally find the gun fun to run around with and I do not care about leaderboards. I'm just not sure if it actually is a trap, prior to dumping mats into it.

Not BiS but totally fine is cool with me. Actively dragging the group down is not.

[twilit thistle]

😔 Its just a very very bad weapon. Not talking a difference of 5% or even 50% here. If you equip that on ning, you are making that activity so much harder.

[vagrant veldt]

Ugh

Welp, that sucks. Thanks for the clarification though

[twilit thistle]

I upgraded it too, early on. I know the pain.

[vagrant veldt]

I'm a big fan of exotic primaries because I want the weapon I use most and most lazily to be the weird one, so that makes me sad. 🪦

[twilit thistle]

I have heard good things about huck. Still, huck wont outo maha on ning tho.

[vagrant veldt]

Still waiting to get a huck drop, myself. Would be very down to have it available for Jolder, when not using the sword.

[soft bobcat]

I haven't even tried Riskrunner in this game yet of all the Exotic weapons it was my very last one to obtain

Which was like only a few weeks ago

In general though, AoE focused rapid fire weapons don't seem to do well in this game

I should say AoE focused primaries don't do well, but some primaries are only AoE focused.

But yea.. AoE focused primaries don't do well 😅

[limber pine]

I love riskrunner

[young grail]

I love your face

[limber pine]

No yours!

[vagrant veldt]

Totally unrelated question: once you pass 70500 power (without seasonal bonuses), is there much gameplay benefit to higher power? Seems like all the stuff with high min requirements are also power capped at that same minimum. If not, then I'm done investing in my best/favorite character already and can focus on others. Is any further increase in numbers on uncapped activities even noticeable?

[signal spade]

its noticeable in master calamity ops but other than that not rly

i think you wanna be 72k for expanse 40 or 715

i think anything abve 735 is a waste right now though unless you are just trying to get substats maxed out

[molten pulsar]

Teammate: dies multiple times because they're just rushing in close range with Jaren in Calamity Ops

Also teammate: leaves

[molten pulsar]

Isn't there a cap on expanse 31-40?

[signal spade]

yea i think its 72 on 40

maybe its a little less

[vagrant veldt]

Thanks all!

[twilit thistle]

Technically, it should be -1000 power from max to get everything fully upgraded, without pushing artifacts beyond lvl 10 stats. (But given rng, this would vary and would likely be slightly higher). Beyond that is just % differences so small it’s worthless. Most of my built characters are at 74,500 on avg (all 6 of them 😭). The playable, but incomplete are 72,000.

[vagrant veldt]

Actually, looking at the activity screen for expanse 40, it seems like it's capped at 70500? Am I reading that wrong?

[signal spade]

you might be right i was going off memory

[limber pine]

Unless ur going for general rankings, not really

[twilit thistle]

It increases every 3 stages

[signal spade]

the boss is 72k

[twilit thistle]

500 at a time

[vagrant veldt]

Ah, thanks

[signal spade]

im in my 'artifacts are a scam' era

[twilit thistle]

It rlly depends on the character. Most of the time it’s weapons or talents that I conserve resources on. I read them carefully. Power does not always equal more dmg.

[molten pulsar]

Honestly, 31-40 just isn't worth it, lmao

[twilit thistle]

What about exotics? That’s what I’m on, I almost have 100% element and shinka coverage. almost.

[signal spade]

im just missing last node of arby but yea

[molten pulsar]

Hell, it isn't just not worth it, it's just a crap experience where everything is a bullet sponge and damages you way too quick, even if you're at recommended power.

[limber pine]

Yeah im 74k power and can't pass stage 33 idk what im.doing wrong lol just always die or run out of time being too safe 😅

[signal spade]

Which char

[limber pine]

Attal

[twilit thistle]

Mythics are next. They are a pain. I got past the artifact grind tho by picking universal sets. Especially on slot 1 and 2, and also 3 sometimes bc inverted fury. I also learned that if you don’t upgrade to 2,800 before you upgrade to 85, you are making a mistake.

[signal spade]

Ya I just use courageous bellicose on everyone it doesn't matter

[twilit thistle]

Given the ease of obtaining them now it truly doesn’t matter lol. Every 2 weeks if u beat both expanses, you can get multiple artifacts up to 2,800. (And then to 3,000)

[signal spade]

Yea since they killed off using artifact upgrades in day 1 raid id rather slam all my pinnacle into exotics and random good rolled mythics

[twilit thistle]

Yep it’s a common misconception, that power=do better in all. That’s why I chose Umeko. It’s for farming, not for competitive activities.

[signal spade]

Ya I do think it's annoying if you're getting like one tapped because your powers too low but there's not really any content where the missing 8 percent damage on my characters is going to dictate success

I don't play with big enough addicts to push rank 1 calamity ops and promotion is pretty chill if you put in the time

[twilit thistle]

It’s rlly just for farming as fast as possible. Thats why I maxed Umeko. Ning can go faster, but required too much effort for me. Same with helhest. (Referring to chaos grinding, and going to 500 stages)

[topaz mason]

Hopefully by Thursday we’ll have info on the next champ

[signal spade]

I've been having fun on spiked shell with xuan wei

It'll prob not be for another week if I had to guess

I highly doubt it's ikora but we'll see I'm hoping for some SMG GL or sidearm lmg char

[celest robin]

Compared to lot of other gachas, DR is very reserved. There’s so many aspects in the current state that could be exploited for continuous revenue. Pinnacle energy having a max cap per day no matter what you pay being 1 example.

[twilit thistle]

Umeko weapon master 😍 that was mine. I haven’t tried it with izi tho, idk if I’d like it as much. Borealis was going hard in s1, and note this was after fletched arrow nerf @indigo solar, no need to yell at me. I was getting 45 seconds to 1 min 15 sec clears on all 3.

[bold thunder]

While I don't disagree with you, I think people in the gacha game space don't realize how bizarre this genre is to most people

Even a fairly neutered gacha game feels very predatory to a lot of people who are used to the "buy it once + dlc" monetization scheme of most pc games

[short locust]

"Feels"

[celest robin]

Totally agree. They did right by limiting the ability to really whale out but did themselves a disservice by not better controlling the marketing and narrative around the gacha tag.

[short locust]

It literally is

[bold thunder]

I'm trying to be nice considering the context I'm speaking in

[short locust]

Nah I get that, I'm just messing with you

[bold thunder]

A lot of people (at least when the game released) would've taken the implication that the game is predatory as a personal insult

But yeah, despite enjoying it, the game is predatory imo, gachas in general are

[short locust]

I just often times see this game get excused because another game does it worse, as if it wipes this of all sins. So I tend to just say it like it is when I can

[twilit thistle]

Shot themselves in the foot with the cosmetic monetization tho. They coulda done better than decals. And the skins are mid, and there are so few.

[short locust]

That's a them problem imo. I like the Scary movie series, but I can admit they're terrible. Being offended because something I like is getting criticized is childish in my mind.

[bold thunder]

It's so common at this point that it's normalized I guess

[celest robin]

The one thing core destiny players have grown accustomed to, all fashion being predatory but pretty purchases.

Coulda made a killing off them if they had cool cosmetics

Na, here’s a fat letter N on your belly. Bii

[bold thunder]

100% agree, it's a little odd that they didn't lean into D2s bread and butter of releasing must have cosmetics for the price of an entire dlc constantly

[celest robin]

All cosmetics are 20 piece sets. Gloves, sleeves, sock etc.

.005% drop rate for each piece

$2.50 per pull.

Those Eververse guardians would be mortgaging their home for that shiny Brazier

Destiny players will never gamble on more powerful items. They know it’ll be nerfed day 2

[wheat ferry]

Probably next Thursday but from everything it seems like ikora

[true mauve]

Hairkora

Beardkora

[regal gulch]

Im ready for anything

[delicate mango]

When was the last time you sleep

[regal gulch]

Funny thing is I dont really play that much I've been saving for a long time

[twilit thistle]

“Hey let’s make a game. For cosmetics, let’s limit the players true customization to a handful of decals that take an hour to place. They can place them on our selection of 2 mythic skins per character on avg. and emotes, we are going to make these free. Not to be confused with the other emotes, which are all free except for 4.”

[delicate mango]

ah I see I was like damn you been framing like crazy

[regal gulch]

I have 3k pinnacle saved ready for new legendary campaign

And new game mode

[delicate mango]

oh man Grandmaster legendary campaign is gonna be difficult no doubt

[regal gulch]

Im gonna be rich

[celest robin]

Boring, give me cayde

[delicate mango]

that means no speed running it lol

[celest fjord]

Chat is anyone free to help me get the triumph for this season

[wheat ferry]

Nah cayde will possibly be season 4 maybe

[delicate mango]

the thing is we don't know if cayde-6 is a exo or human

in DR

[celest fjord]

Thought be was exo

Because he looks like a cyborg

[regal gulch]

Is cayde-6 new person coming?

[delicate mango]

if memory serves me right when you getting cayde-6 weapon there's little lore that he was human

before becoming an exo

[indigo solar]

Tbh I could see borealis being decent in WM chaos, yeah

[wheat ferry]

He was a human that became an exo then a guardian

[celest fjord]

Aren’t all exo’s basically human before

[indigo solar]

I'd still probably prefer a mythic sniper

[delicate mango]

I could be wrong since there are so much lore for different characters

[dusk hemlock]

I will spend every dollar for cayde

[delicate mango]

I am not sure but I'm pretty sure there's a lore yt vid about it

[twilit thistle]

It’s the first thing you @‘ed me for in the server 👀

[indigo solar]

Before the nerf Izzy was way better since an arrow from it could clear the room

But the auto reload from borealis could be nice now that it takes a few shots

[delicate mango]

I'm thinking his super will be golden gun or blade barrage

but I could see him being golden gun

[dusk hemlock]

That would make sense

But then there's already jaren

[short locust]

Aren't we missing titans?

[dusk hemlock]

No we are good. Don't need none of. Those...

[twilit thistle]

I had a build for dmg ontop of the dmg, also aoe and everything crits for shanks. Borealis was better at conserving ammo, I could usually clear all 3 stages only using Borealis lol

[short locust]

There's 3 Meta hunters + Umeko which is used because she's the only debuff in the game

[delicate mango]

We have Maru in Jolder

oh in kabr

[wheat ferry]

We had gwynn and maru....

inb4 gwynn isn't a titan

[dusk hemlock]

And kabr

[short locust]

So that leaves Estella really as the only lock that gets some use no?

[dusk hemlock]

Correct

[delicate mango]

Oh in

[wheat ferry]

And rossi....

[delicate mango]

I kinda forgot about that guy

[dusk hemlock]

Who is that?

[short locust]

It's rough out here for non Hunters

[dusk hemlock]

Thats because hunters are the coolest

[short locust]

That's why they need pandering

[dusk hemlock]

Nope

[celest robin]

Cayde was originally a human. Most Exo’s were originally humans that uploaded their minds into exo bodies.

The number by their names shows the amount of times their memories had been wiped.

Lot of interesting lore surrounding exos in main game

[short locust]

I played all 3 in D2 so don't flip

[wheat ferry]

I can't wait for ikora

[delicate mango]

Thanks mate

[wheat ferry]

Going to scatter nova everyone

[short locust]

Fro-Kora

[delicate mango]

it's been so long since I've read each characters lore

[short locust]

Scatter 😭 😭 😭 it's been so long

[dusk hemlock]

I played all 3 gained lock and hunter. Mainly hunter. My titan existed so he could be neglected

[wheat ferry]

No she'll still be bald just a different outfit

[twilit thistle]

Estella makes me sad ngl. Nobody even went for the leaderboards. I have hellhest and Estella at the same power. I’m 140 on power for Estella, and like 600s for helhest. Tan is so much worse tho.

[delicate mango]

Funny enough that I've seen Ikora players being better at it

[wheat ferry]

"Hello child services. I'd like to report neglect"

[delicate mango]

ntm I like using two tail fox

gives me all 3 elements

[celest robin]

Titan was the best up until shoulder charge as a movement ability got nerfed.

That was the day D2 began to wither and die to me

[dusk hemlock]

Titan is fully grown cant call that.

[dusk hemlock]

Titans are technically the front lines. The tanks. Tanks dont move. They tank...

[celest robin]

Fun and power wasn’t allowed by Bungie.

They neglected all things PvP unless it was a useful excuse to kill fun in PvE

[delicate mango]

I hope we get more titans won't lie I like playing Titans because of strand

oh man becoming a power house unstoppable

[twilit thistle]

nah titan was only 17

[dusk hemlock]

Thats a bold faced lie

[celest robin]

Some tanks can fly! 50 mph metal fortress with a cannon. Scary stuff

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-gif-2734175389934997010

[wheat ferry]

Sir....it is eating crayons and glue

[dusk hemlock]

Thats because thats what they ALL EAT THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE SPAN!!!

[delicate mango]

Man I'm thinking how would they work on exotic armor work in DR

[dusk hemlock]

They just change which colors they eat as they age

[twilit thistle]

nah they stop at age 18

[short locust]

Can confirm. I mained Sentinel for years in PvP

[dusk hemlock]

Thats just not how time works

[celest robin]

HEY WAIT A MINUTE!! We don’t got no armors in rising. That’s whack. Why did that never register in my simple brain

[short locust]

Para causality baby

[delicate mango]

I've said this back in beta

lol

[simple plank]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

NETEAAAASE

GIVE XUAN WEI WORMGOD’S CARESS!!!

AND I WILL SPEND ANOTHER 10 DOLLARS!!

[celest robin]

Now ima feel the lack of dunemarchers. This game is ruined

[dusk hemlock]

Yea the TANK class should not be out maneuvering the literal agility class hunter

[short locust]

Titans aren't tanks lmao

[wheat ferry]

Probably be something you grind out and you unlock it for each character which would be unique to that character. Like estellas could increase how quick she gets corruption back or gwynns double the amount of void souls she gets

[celest robin]

In PvE, who cares. It was fun. They gotta learn to keep the fun op stuff in PvE and balance PvP separately

[fallow hound]

What do you guys play when you run out of pinnacle besides chaos

[dusk hemlock]

So we are lying now got it

[short locust]

Funnily enough, OP stuff in PvE is what killed it for a lot of people, even if theyll never admit it

[celest robin]

Tetris

[twilit thistle]

It’s the time dilation, the crayon and glue stash is so large and the gravitational pull so strong it’s nearly collapsed in on itself.

[dusk hemlock]

I agree pve should just be a sandbox for fun stuff

[short locust]

It's true brother, trust me I would have loved to be a tanky titan but that's just not a class identity of theirs

They tried but not well

[dusk hemlock]

... its still an adult titan and I will continue to neglect him

[celest robin]

The boring op stuff did. All the fun op aspects, mainly revolving around movement were keeping people engaged.

[dusk hemlock]

Source: trust me bro. Despite the character design and abilities all point towards a tank role

[short locust]

Dawnblade is tankier than Sentinel lol. Even in D1 they had flame shield. All classes have OS and DR, it's not a Titan thing

Devour ffs was void lock only for years

The only character design that suggests it is the armor

[wheat ferry]

Titans were supposed to be the tanky class but we got well of radiance and hunters get insane Damage reduction. They did try and make titans more tank like with barricades taunting enemies but all 3 classes can tank easily

[dusk hemlock]

You get a barricade a bubble a small barricade for extra DR. Just because a super, which by the way dawn is an offensive super, has more DR dies not mean the titan is not a tank

[short locust]

Dawnblade is the subclass....

Daybreak is the super

[dusk hemlock]

Each class was built for a role. Warlock support. Hunter dmg and agility. Titan tank.

[short locust]

Yeah no

[celest robin]

Their identity in the lore and how bungie “tried” to set them up was as the tank class.

Main stat being resilience, shield ability, bubble etc

They’re just bad at game design sometimes

[short locust]

Dawnblade was also the fastest class 😭 😭

[short locust]

Yeah exactly

[dusk hemlock]

With icarus dash yea but I can bunny hop faster than a warlock so🤷🏻‍♂️

[short locust]

In game, it just doesn't hold up in the slightest

[wheat ferry]

I think they wanted to do the classic DnD style classes like that but they shifted it to everyone being able to do everything

[short locust]

Titan skating in D1 made them the fastest, and hunters were the slowest

The classes were never divided cleanly like that

It is how it is

[celest robin]

Problem is that they wanted to have the illusion of an mmo design with tank, dps heals but in the end made everyone dps that had self survivability 7 years into the franchise

[dusk hemlock]

Correct. I was just pointing out thats how it was initially designed

[short locust]

Even that isn't true unfort

[dusk hemlock]

Then they made a bunch of changes and now you can do everything on every class

[short locust]

From the beginning, the whole damage/agility + support + tank idea wasn't the case

It mightve been what ppl expected or perceived, but it's not true

[celest robin]

It never was in practice. But the marketing suggested that style.

They didn’t really have a clear vision for the first 11 years. Or is it 12 now? However long.

[short locust]

Too long that's for sure

But yeah that's precisely my point

Ppl saw man in armor in a trailer and just internalized tank

[celest robin]

The only time there was a clear vision of destiny was in early Developement before scrapping it all and doing “uhh this I guess”

[delicate mango]

That could work

[short locust]

Damn you Activision

[celest robin]

Bungie to blame. Activision era was the best imo.

[short locust]

I blame both for different reasons

Mostly upper management in both tbh

[celest robin]

From everything I ever reads Activision just applied pressure for revenue and deadlines.

No specific demands or systems were created by anyone but bungie and the assisting studios

[wheat ferry]

The OGs that made halo/destiny are gone anyway so it's not really the studio who made those games anymore

[short locust]

Real

Bungie is a shell of its former self

I say it all the time lmao they fired the fat nerds (I say this with love) that know what makes games fun and hired... Well anyone but that

[celest robin]

Good. They never knew how to do it properly anyway. Aside from the art and sound direction. Which is still peak and OG’s afaik

Main Halo dude was gone before destiny launch so they’ve been constantly changing

[wheat ferry]

Bungie is bungie by name only and not talent

Same as the studio that made new vegas

[short locust]

On that note, hot take time. Bethesda develops buggy or boring garbo

Publishes fire like the doom reboot tho

[celest robin]

The bugs atleast are mostly charming and not game breaking.

The modding tools and ease to do so are what made Bethesda stand out

[short locust]

Fallout 3 literally has a game breaking bug with Sentinel Prime that soft locks you

[celest robin]

Don’t be obtuse, I said mostly lmao

[short locust]

Ok that's fair he's got me

[wheat ferry]

Charming unkillable robot anyone?

[dusk hemlock]

Id lose my mind

[rain condor]

It’s the higher ups that are causing all the problems and it’s annoying, the devs want to make the game better but the higher ups keep getting in the way

[celest robin]

Real hot take time, Half-Life 2 is a good game. There I said it. Take out your torches if you must! I will not falter

[short locust]

Bethesda games need modders to make them playable without falling asleep or crashing

[short locust]

Remember the fiasco with Pete laying ppl off, but bragging about buying more cars? God I despite upper management in damn near anything

[simple plank]

Morrowind is peak because of daddy Dagoth

[celest robin]

They were some pretty sick whips though. Dude got us there. 🤣

[short locust]

Flexed on me for sure 💀

[celest robin]

Ditto. Cursed his name as I got my next silver bundle

[short locust]

I'm being mostly inflammatory for humors sake. I do think they're mid games but that doesn't mean ppl can't have hundreds of hours of fun in them

[celest robin]

Why they never added a Pete’s garage sparrow bundle is beyond me.

[celest robin]

What’s peak in that genre for you?

[wheat ferry]

Think the devs would have quit quicker

[short locust]

Which Genre specifically?

[celest robin]

Open world rpg I suppose. The Bethesda style genre.

[short locust]

Ghost of Tsushima gun to my head

I think open world in general is a marketing thing that unfortunately stuck. Imo it does more damage to most games than it helps, but ppl are conditioned to it automatically equating to good

Ghost at least minimized the downsides a lot by downplaying the chores and map checking in favor of immersion which I appreciated

But I'll admit, that's not a Stat based RPG so it's apples and peaches

[wheat ferry]

And most worlds just aren't worth exploring

"Lets go to this cave to pick up a note or a collectable" like....no?

[celest robin]

Like Neptune

[short locust]

Go collect 200 feathers in Assassin's Creed 2

Like, it just makes the game worse

And then ppl are like oh but it's optional

Ok?

[celest fjord]

Chat, I need help with bridge crossing, I’m trying to get the seasonal triumph by finishing it in 7 minutes but I legit can’t 😭

[karmic chasm]

Elden Ring suffered from this a bit, although it did have some cool secrets that you kinda just ran across by exploring

No directions

[wheat ferry]

Funny thing is all the developers that made open world slop were hating on elden ring too😂

[karmic chasm]

I still find stuff

[dusk hemlock]

Everytime I load into that game I find a place ive never been

[karmic chasm]

It’s such a magical experience

[dusk hemlock]

Its a fun time

[karmic chasm]

Like oh I didn’t notice this tower here before. Oh now I’ve gone mad

Rip

[tight talon]

T4 and having more time with Symmetry and EoL is unbelievable.

I literally am T1 and got it in 7:13

[regal gulch]

Hey question

Yall think 190 is enough for t4 t5 character?

[short locust]

In my experience no 😭

[indigo solar]

T4 odds (credit @exotic token)

[thorny frost]

I am currently 168. To my amusement I would probably be higher if artifacts went down to 80 on season reset. I am sitting on upgrading them till after they go back down due to cost lol. If they don’t at the end of next season I will just bite the bullet.

[rotund flame]

That doesn't seem to bad at first glance compared to other games with a 50/50 lol

[earnest gust]

is there an easy way to win 50 shadow keeper duels against players - trying to get finala card

[indigo solar]

The gacha in this game is pretty generous yeah

[indigo solar]

Play against NPCs

At least, that worked in S0

Idk if it still works

[rotund flame]

If they made the odds 50/50 or added weapon banners i would leave the game. So sick of games that do that

[pulsar coral]

Arby is goat lol

[earnest gust]

as in ones found through out world?

[indigo solar]

Yes

[rotund flame]

Why this mofos taking no damage 🗿

[twilit thistle]

broken healthbar visually not in game they take dmg

[humble jacinth]

I refuse to believe it's visual. You don't walt through that many lasers at a low round and still be alive to get through the portal.

[twilit thistle]

Ive done finishers on them

[gusty bridge]

Thats one run and done. Heavy exotic is BIS.

[regal gulch]

So yes I have a chance

[indigo solar]

About 40%

[regal gulch]

Ill take those odds

Lol

[indigo solar]

Also remember you get more draws from crystals from 4* characters

[regal gulch]

But I feel like by the time the new character comes I'll have around 230 or so

[harsh locust]

Feel free to remove me from the group. My interest in this game has dropped off.

All the best everyone.

[regal gulch]

You gonna go play arknights endfield

[indigo solar]

This isn't a group chat, you have to remove yourself

[dusty spire]

Tc and gl

[pulsar coral]

Nobody agrees lol

[rotund flame]

As someone who has played arknights for 5 years, endfield is so bad with the qol and the gatcha. 120 for limited, very low pulls monthly and the pity doesn't carry over? Yeah i don't know what they were cooking lol

[twilit thistle]

Given how long my Q is for bridge crossing id be willing to say the game has dropped off

[rotund flame]

For real. If i don't do any of the raids in the first day of reset, it takes forever to find a game 😭

[twilit thistle]

Introducing: Lilothy

[karmic chasm]

How could you possibly play both accounts that much lol

[pulsar coral]

I got the idea from you

[karmic chasm]

I’m impressed

[short locust]

Now there's a guy with some free time

I wish I had the One Punch man gif rn

[pulsar coral]

You spend all pinnacle in chaos for 10 mins then switch lol

[karmic chasm]

Spent my free time on Fort today

[pulsar coral]

Farming chaos made me start a new one, game was getting super stale. Plus with the snow storm, I want enjoy DR lol

[karmic chasm]

I just turned on a diff game lol

Especially since PvP is out

[pulsar coral]

I only play this game sooo

[karmic chasm]

So did I but I literally redownloaded Fortnite 😭

[short locust]

I bought RE 2 remake again

[tight talon]

Weird, how long does it take for Expanse 40 clear then?

[twilit thistle]

I think its bc I was playing SG at first, thats how I unlocked everything. I would just dump pinnacle into it. I was probably getting all gold medals every time, which is like 60 proficiency per 20 pinnacle. If i werent always grinding legendary campaigns and chaos, my main would be absurd. 3x higher than 23k (Which is why i hope netease would rework proficiency past 15k if that was used to break ties for power leaderboards.)

[karmic chasm]

Yes please

I’d be 1 immediately

Well no actually not yet

[twilit thistle]

i did it in 20 both sides. Speed runners are getting 4 mins

[tight talon]

T6 runners*

Yeah i got last 1 in like 14mins

[dusk hemlock]

"Again" good gosh

[short locust]

Yeah I moved to PC late last year

[dusk hemlock]

Never played so idk what that sentence holds

[short locust]

It was like 8 bucks

[dusk hemlock]

Ive heard a little about the game

[karmic chasm]

Steam deals are insane

I need to play RE games someday

[dusk hemlock]

Never played

[karmic chasm]

There’s so many games I never gave a chance

But it doesn’t matter because Titanfall 2 is forever my #1

[short locust]

Resident Evil is a funny series because there's like 28 games

[karmic chasm]

Yea I could never

[short locust]

I didn't play them all ofc but I played a lot

[karmic chasm]

Doxxing @true mauve for being afk lmaoo

[twilit thistle]

ye my t0 jaren took a while. I coulda done it way faster on HH but i hadnt used HH in so long lol

[karmic chasm]

It’s ok tho, we had some chaotic matches after that so it wasn’t worth it

[short locust]

I'm waiting for Divinity Original Sin 2 to go on sale so I can buy it for the third time 💀

[dusk hemlock]

Thats some dedication

[short locust]

Twas a good game

Dedication is me with Re4 bought that game on almost every platform it ever released on. GameCube, PS2, PS3, PC, the WII lmaoo

[regal gulch]

I dont care for pulls it seems easy to challenge content with just 5 stars and the mc and the gameplay is smooth af plus the factory is fun af I'll just save everything like always and draw till something god tier comes out I can wait

And it runs so smooth on my iPad

Insane optimization

And it looks amazing

Im on max everything

[twilit thistle]

its single player, so u dont need to spend money lol

[regal gulch]

Yup

And is fun has alot to do for now let's see how they will improve it

[rotund flame]

So was arknights and it was amazing and extremely generous with the gatcha. You didn't need dupes or weapons. Even skins could be bought for free. This game is the opposite. Looks nice though

[twilit thistle]

Looks nice is an undertatement. I was running it at 8k 144hz with no dips in fps.

[regal gulch]

I never played arknights before this my first time ive played wuwa and in comparison to the optimization and arknights endfield ill take arknights every day there is still plenty of time for them to improve draw economies

[twilit thistle]

max settings too

[regal gulch]

Wuwa had a horrible first launch experience for mobile arknights doesn't

Its only every one saying the pity and draw economies is horrible

[rotund flame]

To be fair i was playing it on the red magic 10. Of course I could run it on max settings. It looked beautiful lol

[regal gulch]

Its only been like 5 days

If it doesn't improve then that is when it gets bad

We will see how it ends up

@rotund flame you know what I mean?

on launch it had a fing hud

Huge btw

[rotund flame]

Yeah wuwa was running horrible. Even on my gaming phone it was having issues on release. The devs gave out like 3 character selectors and ton of pulls because of it lol

[regal gulch]

Facts that is true let's hope that ark gives god tier stuff for the fault of the PayPal issue lol

[rotund flame]

Oh yeah the pay pal issue. That was crazy. How does that even happen lol

[regal gulch]

No clue

I never use PayPal only Google play that would never happen on gp

[rotund flame]

Heard the people who had problems got a refund and got to keep all the stuff they bought

[topaz mason]

Wow who is next tier 5 attal?

[errant narwhal]

A free T6 Wolf to celebrate 6 months would be sick

pov ur a bot

[rotund flame]

Type of ads i been seeing lately in destiny lol

[tight talon]

Damn who knew you can earn money by scamming people

[haughty dragon]

Of models do it all the time😂

[tight talon]

💀

[errant narwhal]

you’re scamming yourself if you pay for of

[haughty dragon]

Exactly

[rotund flame]

Nah they wish. Sadly only like the top 1% make that kinda of money. The rest barley make minimum wage lol

[errant narwhal]

can’t blame the model

[haughty dragon]

Hmmmm I wouldn't know

[haughty dragon]

True, it's basically free money

Minus taxes you know lol

[errant narwhal]

If you remain anonymous ig, I think it’d be very stress inducing regardless tho unless you don’t care if your friends/family finds it

[haughty dragon]

Right

[errant narwhal]

and yeah taxes for 1099 workers are rough lol

most people don’t have the self control to put aside 10-20% every check

[haughty dragon]

They probably claim a ton of stuff for taxes

[errant narwhal]

Thats true but they’ll always owe something at the end of the year

[rotund flame]

You know whats sad and messed up? I been seeing pictures of OF recruiters at schools bru. Even show up on TV to get people to join. How is that allowed?

[haughty dragon]

Unless the make like 20 bucks 😂

[errant narwhal]

That 100% sounds illegal

[errant narwhal]

$20 is $20

[haughty dragon]

Schools as in high schools or colleges?

[rotund flame]

Hope it's colleges, but nowadays you can never really know

[haughty dragon]

Right

[twilit thistle]

💀 in the end they are just feeding the ai image models. Either for training them to never produce that content, or on the open source side, to produce the content that replaces them (eventually, if the world continues down the same path)

[errant narwhal]

generative AI needs some heavy regulation atp

[rotund flame]

Isn't AI the reason prices of ram is going up or am thinking of something else?

[errant narwhal]

yeah

and storage, and energy cost

and gpus the last couple years

[bitter estuary]

arknights also has one major issue with the new player experience being godawful

[errant narwhal]

im downloading arknights rn

[rotund flame]

Regular arknights? Or endfield?

[bitter estuary]

endfield, sorry

[twilit thistle]

Yes. Not rlly text models, but kinda image gen and definitely video gen need regulated. And it’s OpenAI causing the shortage (and this is likely the beginning of the end for OpenAI, who for a year I have predicted would collapse)

[rotund flame]

Because regular arknights you a new player can easily re roll and get 3 six stars in the beginner banner in like 5 minutes. Good luck even getting 1 6 star in endfield in 5 hours lol

[errant narwhal]

Yeah specifically video and image, video is already being taken advantage of for propaganda

[bitter estuary]

mfw 6* limited currently has wack team atm i think the next 2 characters are a must pull for her team bc ember is wack apparently

[errant narwhal]

Text is just an advanced search engine for the most part, some people are weird with them tho

[tight talon]

Can't wait for bubble to pop

[errant narwhal]

i really really hope it does

[rotund flame]

Most people want to pull for this limited character because she is a favorite character from the original arknights game. Can't wait for them to add Texas or Lapland

[tight talon]

They are running out of money if nobody funds them this year

[errant narwhal]

Yeah I saw that, hoping it stays on trend lol

I wanna upgrade to AM5 in the next year

[bitter estuary]

i rlly hate the combat tbh, no coordination and all you do is basic atk, dodge, fill sp, skill, qte, then ult

[rotund flame]

The combat was a little meh to me as well. After wuwa it looks so basic. Feel like they rushed the game to be honest. Sucks because i really loves the original arknights game

[twilit thistle]

Video is the most severe. It’s just now developing, and the open source part is nearly useless on modern hardware. OpenAI will likely collapse tho if you use their text models it’s obvious. Their models intentionally get things wrong to try and use up ur prompts faster, and use less compute correcting whatever they did. Also will argue that it was correct, and rage bait u into getting off the platform.

[narrow cobalt]

It will. The worst part is a lot of the components that are in shortage right now aren't even being used because these companies can't get the permits to build their datacenters so the parts are either being put in storage (making them go obsolete) or they're getting sold to another company that has a better chance at building the datacenters.

[errant narwhal]

thats hilarious but sounds so bad from a business standpoint lol

save computing power by pissing off your user base

[regal gulch]

Nah im a new player and I had fun just watch a f ton of yt like I always do and ask questions in the main discord for things you ain't understand plus just copy blueprints

[twilit thistle]

Google doesn’t even use the hardware any of the other companies use 😂and the models feel faster and smarter. OpenAI’s might be able to beat them on paper, but due to the number of ppl using it, in the end it’s like 1/10th as smart

[regal gulch]

@bitter estuary

[bitter estuary]

i only play arknights as a gap between releases i'm actually interested in, (nte for example)

[regal gulch]

Nte?

[bitter estuary]

neverness to everness

[slow sable]

Doing grandmaster solo flawlessly does not count for this challenge pain T.T

[regal gulch]

Oh will it come to mobile

[bitter estuary]

yes

[indigo solar]

Need two players for MVP

[karmic chasm]

Wait what actually lol

I already had it when I did GM solo flawless so I didn’t notice

[slow sable]

yea it doesnt count but it was a fun challenge to see if i oculd solo GM flawlessly lol but pain cause no triumph lol

[tight talon]

That's Gemini for me

I think the code is wrong

No it's not

Wdym it shows error on this line

No it's not wrong. It works

[twilit thistle]

Ur not doing it right.

[twilit thistle]

I had the last gen model do what nobody else did, create something new. As in not done before. Granted it took forever and won’t be in the news bc it was boring, but I did it

Did it in c++ too, something even @indigo solar hates (allergic to c++ apparently)

[junior moat]

does anyone know when the devil walker in shifting gates appear? i have done a few and it’s always the same prime recently - hydra minotaur ogre wizard captain

[twilit thistle]

😭 its never that one. U know its in aero right

[bold thunder]

this feels a little conspiracy theoryey to me lol

I think the more likely reason is just that they overtrained their models and now they're all bad

[junior moat]

never seen it before actually. thanks for the loc, rules out my hunt

[bold thunder]

idk why they would be operating at such a huge loss to try to gain market share if their business strategy included getting people away from the platform

[sharp talon]

slot 3 god roll 😄

[pulsar coral]

sweet

[twilit thistle]

(moved it to off topic so the mods dont kill me.)

[junior moat]

is mainte tmr?

[uneven zinc]

Nice

[scenic wigeon]

Tryna get mumu set up on my laptop rn... I dont have a mouse and the trackpad is bust

[rotund stirrup]

whats Umekos best artifacts

[true basin]

Doing some clan recruiting. Can’t let the level8 go to waste.

[scenic wigeon]

:|

Pain

I forgor the wifi password :(

[tight talon]

Ring of Abundance/Ring of Conversion/Inverted Fury and Hawkeye Token are basic artifacts

There's a build with one more artifact namely Resonating Axiom in Slot II that should technically increase her heals

[rotund stirrup]

no belicose?

[tight talon]

Bellicose Planetismal? Or Bellicose Veil?

Eitherways i think they are not worth it cause her base ability damage is bad and you don't get consistent uptime aka ability every 6 secs for weapon damage unless you have T1 (still has some down time over consistent uptime with the pieces I mentioned)

[rotund stirrup]

im using syymetry and the solar sniper

[tight talon]

Yeah weapons don't matter with pieces. It's pieces that determine the weapon damage

Also, unfortunately while Symmetry ain't bad, you can also use Izanagi cause she reloads way faster

[indigo solar]

Lmao I was making a joke, c++ is better than C for pretty much every use case besides embedded systems

[scenic wigeon]

How to become a juggernaut basiccly

Heals after 5 shots... with crazy fire rate and a big mag... on estela you get the stationary solar dmg buff and can light link with wolf for even more

And estela can use abilities while firing

[true mauve]

Wouldnt the heal on summon slot1 be better?

[scenic wigeon]

Idk...

Also, I have 50.77 Canadian on my account... what should I get to get my moneys worth

[stark forge]

patron bundle

[scenic wigeon]

Aight

What else?

[stark forge]

gold medal or journey bundle i guess

[scenic wigeon]

Also got the upgrade for the pass

[keen cave]

Why i cannot attach images in this chat wth?

[rotund flame]

Sometimes i think the one that increases the summons HP would be better. Hate when they get 1 shot by explosion or environmental damage 🗿

[willow siren]

I used to use healing nutation but that thing is buns compared to nourishing + ring of conversion