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[bold thunder]

#videos-and-streams message
This build makes wave 15 fairly trivial as long as you have T2 Muqam, T1 Anesthesia, and T1 Stone Hoof

I assumed it was triple as well, but double would make more sense with the numbers I'm used to

[rotund flame]

Luckily this week was kinda easy for both solo and co-op. Last week felt impossible to kill the big Knights for some reason

[bold thunder]

they rotate daily even though the challenge is for the whole week, so you can just wait until the next day if there's a faction/modifier you dislike

[twilit thistle]

😭 like what even is this. 15 bots, and myself, waiting endlessly. U arent fooling us netease.

[bold thunder]

Hive is definitely one of the harder days until you get used to it

fallen and cabal are a bit easier

vex also isn't too bad as long as you manage the fliers well

[rotund flame]

Dang I didn't know that, would have tried a different day last week if i knew. Just assumed they buffed the enemy HP again lol

[soft bobcat]

Hive Knights are really strong, but they can be knocked out by Anesthesia and/or Paralyzed by Muskrat

[bold thunder]

you can also bring a character with a stun like umeko to lock them in place for a bit and let your defenses catch up

[karmic chasm]

Do you think T6 should be cheaper?

[thorny frost]

I still think that the damage might be addative. The hydra video has damage going from like 250 to 345. But I was not trying to account for damage buffs in the test so I don’t pay attention to how everything was interacting for damage buffs. I will need to do a different test to isolate that, and see if it also just didn’t display a couple hits due to rendering distance.

[short locust]

I mean, Id redesign the entire gatcha system, but explaining it would take a Lil while

[bold thunder]

worth noting also that umeko's debuff doesn't seem to affect damage, so I assume none of them do :(

[rotund flame]

I think the cards you get shouldn't get pulled again. Duplicates are so dumb. Most people pull t6 before they complete the set lol

[pulsar coral]

Let’s hear it 🤔

[twilit thistle]

i think t1 should be earnable by playing the game. Not just from whatever we have going on now. From rng. Cheaper would likely be smarter. Ram prices went up for example, and pc parts are at an all time low on sales. Just because it costs more doesnt mean you make more.

[karmic chasm]

I was crazy lucky on that

[pulsar coral]

I had made a suggestion that the T level should be earn through character mastery and ranking up the character

[indigo solar]

Are you testing with level 1 or level 3 weapons

Bc some buffs only apply based on the level 1 amount

Such as the shield-breaking AoE tower that permanently gains damage every time it pops a shield

[bold thunder]

level 3

[bold thunder]

..........................................................

oh also it looks like nocturne's T4 is broken too :D

[indigo solar]

Yay

[bold thunder]

HELP

[indigo solar]

Guess it's time to start compiling another megareport

It hasn't even been a month 😭

[bold thunder]

That one I'm not super confident on, but there's definitely visually no extra 2 blades

and I didn't see any extra damage numbers (though it's unclear exactly how the targeting for the extra blades would work)

[karmic chasm]

Is that new gacha good? And is it really 78 gigs

[indigo solar]

Just place it as the lone tower and test vs the wave 5 boss, use Rossi to stall the ads while letting the boss pass

[sharp talon]

arknight thing?

[bold thunder]

actually I could literally just place it as a lone tower at the start I guess

[sharp talon]

ive played it for a bit, it seems good. runs well too

[bold thunder]

it's should kill 3 enemies at once in that case

[karmic chasm]

Rossi MENTIONED 🇧🇷

[indigo solar]

Rossi is unironically the goat in bulwark

[twilit thistle]

I would eyeball it at being: "all t4's are broken or worse than all others". = ❌

[indigo solar]

I will say the timer on t4 Muqam seems incredibly short

If it exists

[twilit thistle]

i felt like it generated less than before ngl

[indigo solar]

Nah that's just the randomness

[twilit thistle]

i sent u a video. It didnt seem to stretch as far.

[indigo solar]

Well, that and the fact that T3 deals more than T2, so less shots per target

[twilit thistle]

That was before, now its like might as well replace it.

[karmic chasm]

What tragic irony that I hate bulwark

[bold thunder]

can someone take a video where they place nocturne down for round 1/2?

need to compare to my t4

[short locust]

First 6 weeks of a new banner, LE pulls only with a F2P cap per season.

After that, it's a seperate perma banner with slowly grindable regular pulls.

You pay a premium to have "first access", but everyone can get enough LE pulls for a T0, or you can save LEs for future new banners without Fomo.

Heavy Gacha monetization for cosmetics akin to the Last Word banner, but for all the character relics, skins, or other crazy cosmetics. Every x weeks, the pity for comestic banner lowers by 10, to a minimum of 10. Ergo, expensive Gacha at first, but patience can earn you cosmetics later for cheaper.

Whales don't get mad since it's still pay for temp exclusively, but it's more consumer friendly. You'll spend more so to support the title, and less about feeling like you're being forced to

[pulsar coral]

Nice!

[bold thunder]

mine seems to chain an extra half damage shot to another enemy if it's really close to the primary target, not sure if that's normal behaviour for nocturne in general or just a really poorly worded T4 description

[indigo solar]

T2

Seems to be the first documented case of the description of something not matching its effect

[bold thunder]

the kill at 0:32 was definitely clumped enough that it shouldve chained, so yeah I guess T4 is "not bugged"

just an awful description lol

well I mean, that's progress from the last two T4s

[karmic chasm]

Nice

[pulsar coral]

I gotta get into bulwark, I’ve gotten taken out at level 8 and I’m welp that’s it lol. I’m level 22 or so

Perhaps my towers are low

[cyan tide]

I haven't been able to clear wave 15 in co-op this week

[indigo solar]

I'm down to run it with you in a couple of hours

[bold thunder]

same

[cyan tide]

That'd be nice, I haven't checked what the modifiers are for today

[indigo solar]

I want to test Nocturne's charm to see if it affects superweapon damage

[indigo solar]

Doesn't matter, stone hoof anesthesia

[bold thunder]

I believe it's 3 entrance cabal

[indigo solar]

So unstoppable/shielded?

[bold thunder]

yeah

[cyan tide]

I was using that for my runs earlier this week but idk if I was doing the wrong placement or something but enemies were getting through at around wave 7

[bold thunder]

probably growing too, not sure if that's a modifier in coop like it is in solo

[indigo solar]

That modifier only affects like two rounds tho

[cyan tide]

Do people still do muqam for early game or just go straight to anesthesia?

[indigo solar]

Still Muqam

Even more value in coop than solo

[bold thunder]

why is my bleed doing 18 damage...

yeah you want to spam muqams for a while

fill in the chokepoint early on with your spare money

[cyan tide]

I did 5 runs and not once did I get Tycoon, I feel like that's mandatory for co-op

[bold thunder]

only replace the muqams near the entrances once the choke is full

you can definitely get away without tycoon, but it helps a lot if you're struggling with eco

I usually prefer prudence personally

usually if people are struggling with eco in coop, in my experience it means they aren't building enough muqams/are deleting them too early

I usually still have like half my board as muqams by wave 7 or 8

[indigo solar]

I fill it first tbh, the later placement also guarantees that even without tycoon I can place a hoof round 2 and still have 3 muqams bc of other teammates getting money

[indigo solar]

I stopped picking prudence in coop once they started giving perks at the end of every round

Bc I only choose hoof/anesthesia/Muqam going in, I only have 7 buffs in the pool anyways

[rotund flame]

Yup I usually leave the front with like 4 muqams for like 5 rounds while i build everything else in Co op. Money feels so scarce in co-op lol

[indigo solar]

I do muqams at the exit wave one, then replace one with hoof wave two, then fill left side, middle, right side with muqam. After that I replace one muqam at each gate with hoof, replace exit towers with anesthesia, then save until I have enough polymer to replace an entire gate with anesthesia

I could run pure muqam longer and max out a little sooner but I'd rather not be micromanaging if I don't have to

[cyan tide]

Do you level up your towers or just leave them at lvl 1 until all spots are filled?

[bold thunder]

I don't even place a hoof on 2 usually, I either kill the specials manually or bring a blue tech tower so I can keep more muqams

[bold thunder]

any tower you want to do damage should be upgraded before buying more unless you have a specific reason to buy more

a tier 3 anesthesia for example costs the same as 6 t1s but does the damage of 9 of them

I think most towers follow that pattern

the exception is utility towers like muqam/acute or if you need to spread out towers to cover multiple lanes

@indigo solar another bug for your compendium, Bleed Enhancement doesn't affect Nocturne (it may just not work at all)

which partially explains the bizzarely low numbers I was getting

Unless they're saying that the tick damage is increased by 40% which would be kind of stupid

omg that's exactly what it does

200 * (1+0.4+0.2) = 320...

[indigo solar]

So lacerate does not increase the debuff, but rather increases the dot damage from bleed?

[bold thunder]

no lacerate correctly debuffs by 20% instead of 15%

[bold thunder]

this increases bleed/lacerate tick damage by 40%

it doesn't increase the strength of either vulnerability debuff at all

which I guess could be another case of very misleading/slightly incorrect wording rather than an actual bug

[indigo solar]

But no so bleeding enemies take 15% increased damage

Lacerate says it makes it 20%

[bold thunder]

correct

those things work fine it seems

[indigo solar]

Is that 20% increased damage or 20% more bleed damage

[bold thunder]

seems to be all damage (from my brief testing)

[indigo solar]

K

[bold thunder]

doing actual field tests is hell because so many numbers

but it's specifically bleed enhancement (the card) that only affects bleed tick damage

I was under the impression it increased bleed/lacerate to 55%/60% vulnerability

[devout void]

better xuan wei build for expanse ?

[bold thunder]

which path do you use xuan wei for in expanse?

[devout void]

deleting the character from my roster maybe

dps check is too much

[pulsar coral]

Just wait till 5* Xuan Wei 🤯

[indigo solar]

Use swordbreaker, benefits more from his limited aftermath stacks

[devout void]

wish i have a good one then

[balmy raft]

73k john wick oh nah

rising main chat has gone too far this time

[devout void]

i can do 75k

[twilit thistle]

Final offer, 73.5k. Take it or leave it.

[rough sedge]

Alright who told me you can easy grind mobius clusters this morning with crota raid? You jinxed it, they gave it a lower percentage than 100%

[devout void]

oger too hard rip

[karmic chasm]

Lowkey more valid than Rossi atm

[devout void]

yea i think with swordbreaker he kill the oger easy

[celest robin]

Can anyone fill me in on what’s the best solo endless tower setup for bulwark ops currently please

[quaint orbit]

2 stone hoofs and muqam, then around wave 5 you need to start getting rid of muqam make a bunch of fully upgraded anesthesia.

[halcyon moss]

Im putting net ease on the fraud watch but that is only temporary

[cyan tide]

Okay, I tried this setup and it works. Now I just need to find randoms that can hold their own

[twilit thistle]

🥺 i can hold my own

[bold thunder]

for getting to wave 15 or for pushing high waves?

if it's just for getting to wave 15, "best" depends a bit on what you're looking for, but it will basically always include anesthesia and stone hoof

this build is the most straight forward imo #videos-and-streams message

but there are also builds that replace muqam with some other towers to make it even more afk (I often run anes/hoof/acute/otter/long nail and afk like 80% of the run, but it's somewhat inconsistent)

if you're talking pushing for high waves/pbs, no one really knows, we're still working on theorycrafting good builds

it's generally going to have anes/hoof/acute field

but there are a lot of different builds running various towers in the other 2 slots

[twilit thistle]

He could kill someone with a pencil

[devout void]

39 is the limit without swordbreaker

[twilit thistle]

i did 39 on a t0 72k poorly built Jaren, its possible.

😂

[devout void]

i use xuan wei

[twilit thistle]

xuan wei would likely be better than my jaren tho

[karmic chasm]

Sigh when are we getting Cayde

I want one month with Cayde and then the game can die peacefully for me

I just need to play him

[bold thunder]

what weapons would cayde have though?

I would've probably given him the same weapons that Jaren has :/

[worldly hazel]

Why Kanye change his PFP on Spotify to this 😭

[twilit thistle]

When marathon flops probably

[potent inlet]

Eating a burguer w no honey muststd

[kindred pagoda]

if you really must play xuan wei you should be on jolted transit (+37% bodyshot dmg, -20% precision dmg - inverted is 30%) and resonating transit (+33% wep dmg if weapons are same element, bellicose is 30%)

could also go magazine capacity on shotgun now that i think about it to leverage karmic for more shots if raw total dmg is the issue

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar You never responded to me, so i did the most irresponsible thing possible. (heard u liked rate of fire boosts in the tower defense mode. Do you like my new t6 tower?)

[karmic chasm]

I know my feelings aren’t always consistent, but tonight was the first night I genuinely had zero passion on this game

Couldn’t find a match, it was being laggy and stupid which is unusual but frustrating, and I didn’t get anything from chaos lol

I was like “damn what am I doing”

[versed scroll]

What hafen

What's the best Artifact setup for Maru?

[celest fjord]

CHAT I FOUND THE BEST HIGH ROUND SET UP FOR THE TOWER DEFENCE GAME

[indigo solar]

Never responded about what 🥺

[indigo solar]

What round

[celest fjord]

I lasted 20 because my phone died mid game

But it was perfect

[signal spade]

💀

[celest fjord]

Only downside was I didn’t have tycoon to level up faster

[twilit thistle]

We were talking about tank-2. Told u i had that build for tank-2, and i never heard back. So i just upgraded things without supervision. 😇

[indigo solar]

Unrelenting shell/undaunted blazar, unrelenting evolution, rampaging pact, bellicose blazar

[indigo solar]

Same thing as normal just unrelenting ground instead of ring of abundance

[twilit thistle]

Estella didn't complain.

[versed scroll]

Sankyu somats

[indigo solar]

@cyan tide down to run coop?

[cyan tide]

I'm in a run with randoms, I'll see how it goes

Nvm, we're already taking damage on wave 2

[cyan tide]

What's your IGN?

[pulsar coral]

Play Kabr :)) I’m playing. I mean I can feel the same. Farm Chaos and Legendary campaign and that’s it

[bold thunder]

You guys need a 3rd?

[thorny frost]

@bold thunder so I have been doing some buff damage test with lvl 1 towers. It looks like solar increase from understatement, from the buff cards and hoofs damage increase are all addative, but the direct damage buff is multiplicative with all of those. There is a weird occurrence happening when Anethesia is near Muqam that increases its damage a little more… not sure if some side effect of scorch or if I am missing something for the time being.

[karmic chasm]

That’s who I was playing today 😭

[cyan tide]

Waiting to hear from Taniks

[bold thunder]

Maybe the scorch is scaling stacks faster?

Ty though, good to know

It seems like debuffs are probably additive with each other as well (lacerate and bleed enhancement card add together to do make bleed ticks do +60% instead of +68%)

[thorny frost]

I was comparing max damage of the Anethesia. It should of been doing 364, which the other tower was, but it was doing 390

[bold thunder]

Hmm

[bold thunder]

Is it possible the baseline anesthesia wasn't even able to hit max stacks in one burst if you're saying it resets every reload?

[twilit thistle]

tbh i dont think ive had any issue getting thru this since stevelion taught me how to play correctly. i just matchmade and melted with helhest till we hit 15.

[cyan tide]

Can't do much when the randoms are unable to kill anything in wave 9

I'm not letting anything through and we're still failing

[twilit thistle]

everyone matches on the reset. take the bomb on their side, too, and melt bosses. mostly just do it on reset tho, first thing

[twilit thistle]

name is "that1guy"

[cyan tide]

I found him, he's offline

[true basin]

Will this weapon cook?

[indigo solar]

That1Guy

Getting on now

[stiff breach]

wow the fallen deck for shadowshaper is pretty good

[thorny frost]

The tower in question had Actue tower and a 30% RoF card buffing the rate. It hit 364 (multiple times in one laser) till Muqam hit it as well then it maxed out at 390. And 364 is what it should be with 280 being the top damage (base damage of the tower is 140) and a 30% solar damage card.

[rotund flame]

How did i keep up with a t6 estella 🗿

[hidden carbon]

doesn’t equal skill

[twilit thistle]

@violet sonnet

[bold thunder]

Very bizarre

[cyan tide]

I finally found a team that knew what to do. Still thanks for the offer and for the strat

[indigo solar]

Sorry 😭 got busy prepping for the weekend storm

[bitter estuary]

ba- oh i can't say that anymore due to recent issues here

hi y'all

[cyan tide]

All good lol, just funny how you pinged me as soon as I got into a match

[bitter estuary]

im gonna build the bulwark weapons bc idk

[rotund flame]

Bru ain't no way people out here in Texas buying bulks of stuff for 2 inches of snow 💀

[bitter estuary]

wait texas is snowing?

[indigo solar]

I mean respectfully
It could be more than 2in
Our electric system is dogwater
Cruz has been spotted leaving the state
HEB can handle the demand
Better to have and not need than need and not have

[rotund flame]

True but i still find it hilarious that everyone is buying so much stuff. Went to Walmart and Costco and everything was mostly empty lol

[indigo solar]

Also keep in mind it's payday so people are buying their regular groceries today on top of their prep

[rotund flame]

My payday is tomorrow. I went for some milk and eggs. Couldn't find any eggs 😭

[thorny frost]

Everything we find out leads to more questions

[bold thunder]

Yes it does..

[quiet tide]

how does the gacha system here compare to other gachas

[bold thunder]

Seems to be a common occurrence in destiny rising lmao

[bold thunder]

I'd say generally less predatory than average, but also kind of poorly implemented

Still very much a gacha game with all that comes with the genre though

[dusty sand]

Play with your feet for a mobile game, and you will figure out

[rotund flame]

Honestly very good. Low pity and it's not 50/50. Already better than the popular ones lol

[quiet tide]

but everything is clearable f2p?

[hidden carbon]

Meanwhile up in the NE waiting for 6-20 inches of snow possibly lol

[bitter estuary]

im trying to understand why does this exist

[bold thunder]

We're getting 12 up here in Ohio apparently

People here can't drive in 1 inch, I can't even imagine what the roads are going to be like

[rotund flame]

Dang that sounds crazy. Been seeing a few videos of people driving through the snowstorm. Can't imagine driving through that

[bitter estuary]

does this rl get enough dmg to do a final blow

[bold thunder]

Yes technically, though you'll likely have some difficulty being competitive without spending a notable amount of money

[hidden carbon]

Shanks turning around to look at the first one like dammmmnnnn

[bold thunder]

Also the current best character, Helhest, hasn't been available for a few months and we have no info on when/if she will be in the future

[bitter estuary]

the shanks be so annoying as hell when i wanna test something 🥀

[thorny frost]

As F2P you should be able to get the base form of all *new units. There are modes that literally get rid of the talents received from getting dupes (one PvP mode and a race mode when ever a new raid is released). F2P have cleared all the difficult content, Getting the top tier rewards from one ranked game mode would be pretty hard tho without spending.

Like all Gachas upgrading is time gated and a lot of mats you are limited to how much you can get a week/every 2 weeks.

[bold thunder]

Up to a point the key is 4 wheel drive and a lot of practice, but there's a point where the real answer is "don't" lol

I think 12 inches is probably beyond that point

[quiet tide]

wait i just started should i try to pull on this new banner or skip for now

[bitter estuary]

yeah you can clear endgame content with standard banner characters (even expanse 40), for calamity ops, it really depends on the team, and it's advised to make a premade team for that content

[bold thunder]

If you want to collect every character (which should be doable f2p technically), you can pull him

He's not one of the top meta options though, so it may be better to wait

[rotund flame]

Isn't this banner technically free? Wait till the next limited banner. Only pull on standard with the blue boats, never use leaves on it

[bold thunder]

The next LE banner character is more likely to be meta I imagine, given the demand for an alternative to helhest

[cyan tide]

Kabr is good for expanse and low/mid level cal ops so yeah, I'd get him with the free pulls

[thorny frost]

Kabr Resolute will be going into the permanent banner after his debut banner. You will get enough of his special pulls, that will turn into permanent banner pulls, that you will get 1 copy at least. I would recommend at least getting that 1 copy as he will be pretty solid for piercing for a new player.

[hidden carbon]

Yeah I’ve driven through several snow storms but this time I’m staying home lol

[quiet tide]

i was waiting to pull for him kinda wanted the pulls to become blue and try to get the red support guy

[bold thunder]

Iirc the resolute draws for the kabr event will turn into LE draws, not standard draws, when the event expires

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though

[thorny frost]

Out of all the permanent mythic units I think Tan (the red guy) has aged the worst, but he can still be viable and I liked his story quest.

[bitter estuary]

blue charms, not l.e. charms

[bold thunder]

Oh really? Must've misremembered the event text then

Good to know

[quiet tide]

haven't played any destiny games and the character names here are weird af

[quiet tide]

i was originally waiting for warframe on mobile

[bold thunder]

Yep, destiny tends to have some unusual names

[bitter estuary]

warframe on android? yeah its in closed beta due to reasons with SoC support, it will release on android fully soon

it's only on ios atm

[bold thunder]

Yeah Tan is a character that's very good at dealing damage and very good at healing/tanking

[cyan tide]

Tan isn't that good tbh, he's super niche. If all you want is a piercing character he'll do the job but Kabr is better for that imo

[bold thunder]

Sadly the meta for a lot of the more competitive endgame content is all about clearing ads quickly and moving quickly, two things he's not as good at

If we get content that's more geared towards his playstyle he may become meta, but for the time being he's one of the less used options typically

[cyan tide]

I got an invite for the beta but I'm on a break lol

[quiet tide]

what's piercing

idk any of the terms yet

[bitter estuary]

so there's 4 weapon types in the game

• rapid-fire
• piercing
• spread
• impact

usually you need to hit a shinka with the corresponding weapon type, otherwise it'll be hard to deal with them

[quiet tide]

just leveling up jolder and wollf atm

[bitter estuary]

shinka is a type of shielded powerful enemy where you have to hit them with said corresponding weapon type to counter them

[quiet tide]

so that's different from elements

idk who to lvl up next to proceed the story

[cyan tide]

Just keep playing and do the tutorial stages as they're introduced, don't skip the text

[bitter estuary]

the game explains things well without overly infantilizing the player

[quiet tide]

yeah its telling me to lvl up 3 chars

[karmic chasm]

Yea I agree with this actually. They had a good balance of teaching without completely taking over

[bitter estuary]

at the start lowman 3 characters, and then stream it down to just 2 (if you dont have the time then 1)

[cyan tide]

Just pick any character you're interested in, you can reset them as long as you don't finish the main questline

[bitter estuary]

god i wished a game that released recently had a tutorial that's cohesive and not a yapfest and isn't overstimulating too ||(COUGH arknights endfield)||

jokes aside true, it's one of the best tutorial implementations in gacha

[quiet tide]

and do i need 1 support 1 atk and 1 def?

or it doesn't matter

[cyan tide]

Not really, weapon type is more important

[bitter estuary]

not the classes, but the cycles

this act, season 3 act 1, requires you to build an arc piercing (attal or kabr, the resolute) and solar impact (jolder with the patridge sky, wouldn't recommend finnala though), so 2 is enough

[cyan tide]

I'd say just pick fun characters for now and don't worry too much about endgame

[quiet tide]

is the chars here just mostly just different versions of existing chars?

or they release "new" ones

[cyan tide]

They're mostly original characters, Kabr is the first one to get 2 variants

[indigo solar]

Wrong reply methinks

[quiet tide]

oh I thought jolder with patridge sky was a version ig its a weapon?

[bitter estuary]

huh

[indigo solar]

Nvm discord is bugging

[bitter estuary]

oh lol

[indigo solar]

Said you replied to one of my messages from an hour ago

But now it's fixed

[cyan tide]

Jolder is the character, partridge sky is a weapon

[bitter estuary]

discord moment

[quiet tide]

this names bro 😭

[bitter estuary]

patridge sky is her bis exotic (if you played gachas, it's a 6 star/ssr weapon)

bis = best in slot

[quiet tide]

why does a weapon have a full on government name

[indigo solar]

Izanagi's Burden

[bitter estuary]

i mean the names can get odd lol icl

satiyaaliksni smart bomb, tatara gaze, etc.

[indigo solar]

There's one I can't say bc the censors block it

[bitter estuary]

hon1 khanom khrok sounds like a real name

[quiet tide]

that's crazy

[quiet tide]

btw where can i get this since i have jolder

[cyan tide]

From the exotic engram selector, it was originally from an event

[bitter estuary]

and in order to get copies, you can get it from events (like morgrans hunt) and craft an exotic engram (not the random one)

ALSO into the abyss in crota's end

it also can drop patridge sky

[indigo solar]

Type 5 Stratoshot SRM©

[bitter estuary]

it sounds tame tbh

[quiet tide]

even the stages names are crazy

[bitter estuary]

THE DEATHSINGER goes hard

[regal dome]

how to ulock black market?

[indigo solar]

I just found it funny they included the copyright symbol

[quiet tide]

btw other than the story should i be farming anything early game?

[thin valve]

When will we have something new?

I wanna play the game

[thin valve]

spear nuke in ranked🙏🙏

[bold thunder]

Does bulwark have a set of exotics that it drops or does it just drop all of the world drop ones?

[bitter estuary]

next week? i think

[bitter estuary]

bulwark is essentially strikes pool

[bold thunder]

Because it's unironically the best exotic farm I've found so far

[bitter estuary]

i only play it bc the weeklies in 3 man normal gives more than strikes

i'm referring to this btw

[bold thunder]

I think I got about 8 exotic drops in the past week or so of grinding to T4s

[bitter estuary]

i feel like bulwark killed normal strikes

it's quicker and you get more lol

[bold thunder]

Good, good riddance

I hated grinding 20k light cap normal strikes for hours

[prisma nest]

wait so

is bellicose veil good on jaren

🤓

[remote pelican]

If anyone wants to join mobile/pc PvP games let me know. Me and seren kali are outing together teams

[remote pelican]

Yup, not as good as the other option imo but many people run it

[magic hull]

I got umeko a few mins ago

[empty turtle]

She’s a good support

[valid gulch]

is there a spreadsheet that shows all god rolls for each weapon in the game? i remember seeing something like that months ago but can’t find it. if someone replies please ping

[icy steppe]

Looking for hellhest for calamity one more person!!!

[tight talon]

Usually double thumbsup works. Hardly sometimes a different roll is better than double thumbsup. Depends on what character you are looking to farm for

[little lotus]

Hosting 6v6’s for Iron Bar on APAC/EMEA this weekend. DM if interested.

[woeful star]

Whos the best standard banner character

[celest robin]

The one you find most fun to play

[woeful star]

Well

[cobalt beacon]

Meta wise

#1 ning
#2 jolder
#3 tan

For calam ning is almost always gonna be needed because hes a runner character

[tight talon]

Wont like this advice, dont pull for them unless u have free pulls from the game (aka blue boats that the game gives you upfront)

they will always be a step down from whatever current limited is being shilled for all content

[woeful star]

Aight

Also should i go for the current limited character, im lvl 54 i think rn

F2p btw

[tight talon]

I mean the game gives you free 60 pulls aka guaranteed for current character. so why not

dont go overboard beyond T0 copy, cause this character will go to permanent banner once time is up

[dusty spire]

Take the first few weeks to get the feel of the game, see how the community reacts to characters and what they have to say.

Over time you will build a nice resource pool to make better distribution of items and pull for ultimately what you’ll play.

I collect titans so I only pull for those.

[tight talon]

ngl, first line is not what i agree with

people doomposted Kabr hard cause HH

even tho he fills a completely different niche

[dusty spire]

It’s only my pov to the game which I have executed and definitely has given me a good account build.

I have over 50k lumi and all the titans maxed because I skipped what I wouldn’t play and didn’t listen to noise….

Cleared all content and made it to oversea using a 4*

[tight talon]

completly irrelevant to what i said but alright

[dusty spire]

I’ve got Kabr and targeted him the moment he came out?
Did I listen to the HH noise no?
Did I play the game how I wanted yes?

My main point is you have plenty options to not follow the crowed and make the best decision to your account.

[tight talon]

still the same thing which i didnt vouch for

[dusty spire]

Again we don’t have to agree, we are obviously playing two different ways.

And both ways could be working for the both.

[tight talon]

wha

[dusty spire]

For get it lol don’t matter

[last matrix]

any news on a potential pc port yet?

[dusty spire]

Iykyk I’ll leave it there

[dusty spire]

Seems like it won’t be happening for now

[tight talon]

about 2 years too early, come back in 2028

[last matrix]

damn nothing ever changes

[tight talon]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[last matrix]

netease and bungie gotta lock in

[dusty spire]

Slow moving period and also a lot of strategic planning rn, I’d wait until after April to see more work amp up.

[last matrix]

cant be this hard for a pc port right?

[dusty spire]

It wouldn’t be hard.

[tight talon]

and players arent staying to warrant that in first place

[dusty spire]

Q1s are boring and from what we can see with the road map we are looking for a better move coming into Q2.

Maybe that’s when netease will make bigger moves

I don’t know what you’ll do with summer and destiny lol

Maru In a bikini ?

🤣

[tight talon]

i mean dont think they gonna do summer event

what does even happen on D2 during summer?

the event name

[dusty spire]

I think it won’t be your typical summer event because of the theme?

But maybe something lol

[tight talon]

Solistice

[dusty spire]

Makes sense

[tight talon]

if it were non canon CN only dev instead of replicating whatever Canon D2 does

we'd probably get more CNY themed stuff

[dusty spire]

Ahhh I did see some players asking if we was gonna get a cny type event

[tight talon]

CNY, Spring Festival and something others

[last matrix]

this is great news

[dusty spire]

What time periods are these?

[last matrix]

i knew me constantly mentioning it would make a change

[tight talon]

its pre "dev release"

we dont know what stance today netease has

[last matrix]

well id imagine theyd be pushing for a port even more

just up to bungie and sony whether or not they want to make money

🤞

[tight talon]

i mean they almost celebrate the whole year except ones related to paying respects to dead

[prisma nest]

okay so what are the artifacts that I should be using for jolder

[last matrix]

i have no idea man

[prisma nest]

meta plis

pless

[prisma nest]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-destiny-hunter-gunslinger-the-last-word-gif-15445980861922986631

[tight talon]

I is definitely Resolute Conjuction

[prisma nest]

hmmm i do have that

[prisma nest]

unrelenting evolution works with that

[tight talon]

no

it counts when you gain DR

[prisma nest]

it is a damage resistance effect other than armored correct

[tight talon]

not when you load in with DR

[devout void]

Ok thanks a lot of idea to try

[tight talon]

trigger condition is gaining and losing DR like how Gwwyn and Jaren gain DR on movement skill

Resolute spawns u with a 35% DR Aura upto 15m on spawn, you dont gain or lose it

[prisma nest]

wait

ring of courage + ring of reflection

[tight talon]

what they do

[prisma nest]

ring of courage - take -10% damage and deal +20% damage while protected by an Overshield

ring of reflection - Gain damage bonus equal to [overshield value/Total Health] x 70% while protected by an Overshield, for a max damage bonus of 25%

[tight talon]

Courage would work, but only way for you to gain overshield is through throwing your shield

no other way

and damage loss when u dont have overshield

Maybe second slot artifact that gives overshield by dealing aoe damage might work but dunno its interaction with Jolder's shield throw

[prisma nest]

is there maybe an artifact that would give her shield throw an AOE

[tight talon]

nope, none of the artifacts change how skills interact

purely either skill damage increase, or skill "gets new abilities" type of artifacts at best

but mostly skill damage increase

[prisma nest]

skill cooldown would be nice

[prisma nest]

siphoning blazar btw

[tight talon]

yeah

[prisma nest]

hmmmmmm

[tight talon]

needs overshield to give overshield

maybe it could work with your sword but it says melee aoe damage is not counted

[prisma nest]

patridge sky IS AOE tho

[tight talon]

test it out in the range ig

[prisma nest]

man i wanna use jolder but jaren and last word too addicting bro

smhsmh

[short locust]

Jaren the Goat

And artifact farming for a new character is misery

[vocal hawk]

that's why i keep a generic Plantessimal set for each element for new characters

every character uses abilities, it'll work until we figure out BIS stuff

[dusty spire]

Anything hit harder than Maru atm?

[bitter estuary]

dealing with artefact and weapon mod rng is horrid honestly 🥀

i wish i can get a godroll immediately

[dusty spire]

Like she hits a whole area with nukes Maru got to be the best atm

Especially once you get the loop correct

[bitter estuary]

i think tsurinobuse is nice but i think I THINK the solar gl isn't wack

[dusty spire]

Like 2 million plus on an area each hit is insane

[bitter estuary]

im currently maxing that out

[short locust]

Idec how fast I get it, but I need a feel for the time investment that's not absurd to assume is infinite

[bitter estuary]

even if artefacts has this duplicate attribute protection (pls correct me if wrong)

i think mods don't have them it makes it frustrating when you get the same perk and substat roll back to back

[dusty spire]

This is the best solar combo imo

Shield pop combos are the best

[elder wing]

So we getting mythic rapid ikora?

[true mauve]

We getting nothing

[elder wing]

I mean if we get ikora. Yh that nothing

[short locust]

I have 2 identical exotics artifacts so if it does exist, it's not a hard rule

[sharp talon]

yea i also have duplicates

there could be one in the artifact engrams maybe

[bitter estuary]

mods are easier to get the rolls but getting duplicates is a possibility, artefacts are harder to get the rolls but getting duplicates is not possible it seems

[sharp talon]

i have exotic artifact duplicates in my inventory though?

[bitter estuary]

even the attributes?

[sharp talon]

the stat scores are not the same but the substats are

[bitter estuary]

hmm odd

is it from an engram?

[short locust]

Not in my case I'm p sure

[sharp talon]

no i think those were from chaos grinding

[drowsy cypress]

Ehem...

[sharp talon]

slow period of the act rn

they should disclose the artifact rng system tbh. is it weighted etc

i still havent gotten a 3/3 exotic roll for wolf (none with arc boost rn)

[bitter estuary]

not ppl pulling as much as they could before jaren ends LMAO

[true mauve]

Christmas money?

[prisma nest]

tbf jaren should just always be available in some way

same as all the other characters

[short locust]

Real

I had a sleepy late night rant about how I would've don't it because being an armchair Dev is easy and it annoys people

[elder wing]

They gotta start putting old banners back. Just imagine if they just put Hel.Jaren. Maru back again for pulls

People will start spending again

[true mauve]

Why would they spend Maru hasnt been used since her cycle and Jaren cycle is about to end

[sharp talon]

helhest banner will save them from eos 🤣

[true mauve]

Helhest banner rerun will be the final bait before EoS

Game is too far gone 😭

[tight talon]

the issue isnt spending. people do spend on newer characters even if they dont have 2x silver. its for purchases beyond those 2x silver.

[elder wing]

They just have to put back those banners!

[tight talon]

They will run them back, but its not gonna solve revenue problems

first run always earns more than second run

[true mauve]

People been saving LE pulls for over a month. Kabr let alot of people skip and hoard

[tight talon]

people who T6'ed a character before aint spending again

[true mauve]

And f2p hoard pulls for reruns

[elder wing]

There’s many haven’t

[tight talon]

still

[elder wing]

Still. Would you like ikora or rerun hel bruh?

[true mauve]

Because they didnt whale then, why whale now?

Ikora, if I have any more precision shinka meta 💀

[elder wing]

Delusion 🤣

[prisma nest]

ewww whales

[true mauve]

Season 3 will be 3 months of precision

[prisma nest]

sharks are cooler

way cooler than dumb whales

[true mauve]

Nah delusion is not logging in for a day and your eyes opening. Hard to log in now

Game gives no reason

[prisma nest]

what do whales do really in the ocean

[elder wing]

Hel will be meta in end game content no matter the shinka lmao

[prisma nest]

beside eat krill smh

[true mauve]

Thats the issue, game is done for. HH dominates harder than Ning and pre-nerf Mahama ever did

People cry about 2 months of Ning, now we get 2 years of HH

[tight talon]

I mean personally go for Ikora. Helhest's there till new Solar/Void Support shows up

[short locust]

This game ain't making it to 2 years

[elder wing]

It has always been that way. Yesterday ning. Today and whole yeat hel 🤣

[sharp talon]

we need rapid fire spread. at least hh will not break and one shot precision shinka

[tight talon]

Then suddenly everyone's like new T6 support better than HH

[true mauve]

And the steady decline has always been there also. Coincidence

[elder wing]

She will still be meta for dps lmao

[tight talon]

Plus maybe new spenders will get T6 HH if she reruns, but overall no money made for Netease unless they just make a new Solar or Void support

[true mauve]

Nah game cooked

[sharp talon]

yeah but its slightly less bad

[true mauve]

Left in oven and forgot about. Overcooked

[elder wing]

She will always be meta. Sad but facts

[sharp talon]

not sure where i debate that lol

[bitter estuary]

Will still outlast concord atleast

[tight talon]

everyone's favourite gacha punching bag

[elder wing]

At this point no matter what character they release. Won’t do much as long as is not good as hh lmao

[tight talon]

immaculate copium is strong with this one

[naive ingot]

It already has. Concord was like a few days.

[empty kettle]

It's only a matter of time before helhest becomes weaker than the newest 5 star support

[elder wing]

Well at least devs are talking a lot these days 😂

[short locust]

Trouble is, HH has such a wide kit that if you make new ones, they'll have to be even wider, or you'd have to health creep the entire roster

She was objectively bad for the health of the game

[elder wing]

Yepp next character should be support.. ikora support

[short locust]

But they probably decided to pull the plug, cash out with her, and just spit out characters left from alpha, made Jaren a 5* last second, reran Kabr with a coat of paint, and whatever else was half finished

[elder wing]

The crazy part is she dominates all over the place lol can’t imagine a next character doing that

[short locust]

After all the WIP gets launched, EoS it and laugh

[tight talon]

I mean theres classic no space for the team scenarios argument. Theres still space for Character that increases the damage received by enemies, theres also space for "cheat death" mechanics, there's also space for " portal teleportation" character. But yeah dont forget 2 shinka types in Calamity.

[short locust]

The energy rework is probably just a test run for another game in early Dev to get data on how it's received

[tight talon]

T6 HH sure highest dps, maybe deals with 3 shinkas, but shes not gonna survive HP inflation

[short locust]

No one will survive that, which is an issue

[elder wing]

The pain is seeing kabr for like year out there 🤣

[short locust]

Games cooked unfort

[elder wing]

We haven’t heard anything back from devs lmao

[lilac seal]

🍿

[elder wing]

Crota raid was the best thing happened to this game so far lol I mean at least for a 24Hr

[devout void]

could this work with xuan wei, since now we can headshot with shotgun (gwynn meta was body > head), i think swordbreaker can help more for burst in expanse but hard to drop one. Or i stay inverted fury + bellicose

@indigo solar

[signal spade]

Jolted has to be worse unless they make a character that is like fusion rifle+sword

[devout void]

mmm ok then im farming for nothing

maybe xuan wei cant pass the dps check of lvl 39 i was thinking removing spinosaurus shots for fraternity and have more bullets idk

[signal spade]

Might be worth trying a rerun with different modifiers and stuff

[verbal sluice]

Thats the problem with gatchas. If you miss out on a meta character you are basiccly not included in proper leaderboard pushes. Apart from making these characters broadly available there is basiccly no fix apart from reinventing the whole economy....

[devout void]

modifier i think i cant do much better but tanikss aid me swordbreaker is better for kabr and his stack

[signal spade]

Ya except leaderboard in expanse is cosmetic and I've cleared 40 with finala, problem is xuan wei is a melee only character with essentially no super 😔

[devout void]

yea no super and arc ability that barely do nothing except proc my bellicose

i will still try to see jolted + resonating but prob in today meta bodyshot are nothing, if +37% body could boost jotun a little i can gain some time

[signal spade]

Which one is 39 this week the cabal one?

[devout void]

when i arrive at shinka lvl 39 i dont have much heavy, time is "fine" but waste a lot of time for oger wave 1

solar oger that take a while

3 wave + protect your nexus

[signal spade]

Ya that thing has a lot of health for no reason

[devout void]

sometime i stop his regen but idk how it really work

i try to burn him and dps at this moment

[signal spade]

Does jotunn pop the shield fast could just cheese the shield break

[devout void]

jotun shot 2% solar shield

[signal spade]

Damn

[devout void]

i only beat stage 36 with oger at the end because i had enough time to break 3 time is solar shield lol

[signal spade]

Ya that sounds painful

[drowsy cypress]

next hero is pregnant redegast

[short locust]

[devout void]

i dont think i can proc a final blows + break impact so when i reload its only +45% damage,, maybe go for wound counter

[short locust]

You need Corrupt to stop regen. Ning Slam, Wolf Blast, Estella Misfortune (?), etc

[sharp talon]

"t11" stats help as well i think. my wolf does quite a bit less damage than the one i see in tangibility's videos. (because i run a mythic for slot 3)

[devout void]

yea this i know so xuan wei dont have, but sometime he stop is regen if i bother him

[short locust]

Yeah you just gotta nuke him then

[signal spade]

The pull cage might stop it, the super pop might also as well games clunky sometimes

Stop as in interrupt

Thank god I've been waiting for someone to tell me how to start an online store in my destiny mobile chat for months

[cyan tide]

We don't make financially sound choices here, buddy. This is a gacha server

[signal spade]

Only e-commerce I'm participating in is buying silver amen

[cyan tide]

lmao

[devout void]

matchmaking is too hard they wipe deathsingers

[bitter estuary]

Ill be on in a sec lmao

[devout void]

they dont care any symbol or sword

[versed scroll]

My first time beating Terminus. 😭

[rotund flame]

I have people wipe on the first part of the raid, still haven't gotten flawless for it lol

[white fossil]

insane

its amazing how many people still dont know you need to shoot the matching rune when you pick one up

[sharp talon]

oh wait you can still dupe wolf super grenades in expanse

[vocal hawk]

there was a day a while back where i put two and two together regarding why so many damn gambling bots target the server and my face was very much ☹️

[tight talon]

Why

[vocal hawk]

gacha, gambling, etc

[tight talon]

[vocal hawk]

honestly there isn't an etc it's that simple

[tight talon]

[cyan tide]

Matchmaking quality is all over the place, I pretty much got all the flawless and time trials with randoms but sometimes you get a match where you wonder if they're able to read

[tight talon]

I mean i have seen other gacha servers but they don't show up there

Perhaps the age of invite link of this server is the reason

[vocal hawk]

this is a publicly visible server you don't need an invite link

[tight talon]

Well more reasons then

[agile burrow]

22 hrs left on morgrans hunt and I havent touched it, and im literally bedbound in the hospital so I cant use my desktop
The only way I can do it is on my phone and I suck poopoo on my phone 😭

[cyan tide]

You're not missing much tbh, the rewards are kinda doodoo this time

[agile burrow]

Yeah but theres still pulls to get

Which can be perceived as functionally lumia leaves

[sharp talon]

wow you can also dupe ammo crates in expanse lol

[devout void]

need dupe heavy ammo for xuan wei

[agile burrow]

Duping ammo?

[cyan tide]

It's only blue charms, those aren't super valuable

[devout void]

yes

[sharp talon]

im not sure how to trigger it consistently but im trying things with wolf duping, and it duped two ammo crates

it involves dying btw

[agile burrow]

Yeah but a pull is a pull, dupes for standards are always nice, but it also gives the currency you can get limited pulls from

[sharp talon]

maybe it will work with xuan wei if you keep dying somehow lol

[verbal sluice]

is there a way to see player count?

[sharp talon]

no

oh it just duped again for me.. it's so random

[karmic chasm]

Good morning guardians

[sharp talon]

good morning!

[karmic chasm]

Tgif

[short locust]

Payday babyyyyyy

[frank wedge]

Does nobody play iron bar?

[karmic chasm]

Not really

I see it active Friday nights and some hours on Saturday

[frank wedge]

How come?

[karmic chasm]

Player count is just low enough that PvP is never a priority

[frank wedge]

Alright so shifting gates is only gameode with any sort of pvp?

[karmic chasm]

It was until they made it so it can start with a lobby entirely made up of bots

[frank wedge]

💀

[karmic chasm]

If you like iron bar you can definitely try during different hours on weekends to see when it is active

People do play it

[frank wedge]

Ye i tried at different times but both times only got to 8/12 players

[karmic chasm]

Dang

[prisma nest]

guysd

do we

do the

[karmic chasm]

Slow weekend then. I got a couple games in, but I’m on a phone which seems to fill faster allegedly

[prisma nest]

quests irl

[karmic chasm]

Huh

[prisma nest]

man idk

i just say things

[karmic chasm]

Real

[frank wedge]

Is shifting gates ranked?

[karmic chasm]

Alright I got 10 minutes before I gotta leave for work

[frank wedge]

Cuz it has different tiers

[karmic chasm]

Yes it is

[prisma nest]

is he holding pizza

[frank wedge]

So at higher ranks ill see more real players?

[karmic chasm]

I found it very fun before the changes

[frank wedge]

Yes

[karmic chasm]

Ironically it seems you’ll actually see less

[prisma nest]

🐿️

[karmic chasm]

Because at higher ranks less people queue up at one time, and the game starts with bots

[prisma nest]

well now i want pizza thx

[karmic chasm]

But you’d have to ask people playing this season. I’ve not played since the change

[frank wedge]

Ok

[prisma nest]

can we just get a season of pizza

[sharp talon]

i havent seen a real enemy player in shifting gates since last season i think

[karmic chasm]

Damn

[prisma nest]

i was killing so many people in shifting gates with jaren

i thought maybe real players but on touchscreen

[karmic chasm]

Yep, that’s who I played until they added more bots

[prisma nest]

it only makes sense to run jaren in a mode with pvp

[karmic chasm]

One shotting people with a shotgun doesn’t really get old

His signature 1 needs a damage increase against lightbearers tho

[sharp talon]

there might be real players on mobile though

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-genya-gun-gif-14288079726801261698

[karmic chasm]

I’ve been saying that since he came out

[sharp talon]

idk cuz i play on pc

[karmic chasm]

lol idk, it’s still pretty bad

[sharp talon]

the ikora bots are sometimes better than real players anyway 🤣

[prisma nest]

ill blast ikora in the face

pause

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gun-gif-625056655053984019

[signal spade]

for 10 dollars you too can sink your mental health

[hidden carbon]

damn

[signal spade]

tbf as mid as d2 has become that is like probably a months worth of stuff to do just in the campaigns and quests alone

[tight talon]

i have all of them

[hidden carbon]

Would be more if they didn't sunset content lol

[tight talon]

havent even completed 25%

cause 95% of that requires 5 friends

[hidden carbon]

All the single player stuff outside of campaigns basically is all seasonal stuff that got removed or sunsetted content

[naive ingot]

You have 2 now

[sharp talon]

is that even worth if content is sunsetted? i haven't tried destiny 2 because i've heard of that

im not sure how it works

i enjoy rising so i will probably enjoy destiny 2

[gusty bridge]

Nice. I got that last week . I finished Final Shape campaign, and just running activities with my cousins.

[signal spade]

id imagine the experience is different, like that ten dollars is def worth it just for experiences

the sunsetting stuff happened a while ago so you wont feel it other than thinking the onboarding campaign is awful (significantly worse than drisings) but the dlc campaigns are all good

and you also dont have to feel the pain of having a vault full of untiered weapons that arent new and shiny cause most of the stuff you grind will be new and shiny presumably

[coarse gulch]

Anyone know how to open the in game wiki? Ive been thrown in a few times, but cant find a button just open it when i want

[signal spade]

think you have to open your messages and find the one from zev with the link

[coarse gulch]

Ohhhh yeah. Thank you ill try that

[remote dome]

anyone trynna run deathsingers?

[dusty spire]

We have a growing PvP player base, we more so operate with iron banner and play during its open cycle.

You’d need to jump into the discord to get notification and also if interested we are doing a 6v6 event this Sunday.

I’ll try stream to show the higher level gameplay from the PvP, team comps and better synergies when playing objectively

[frank wedge]

Where would i see this notification?

[dusty spire]

I can send you an invite once your in you can set it up. It will tell you how many people are queuing ect

[frank wedge]

Is this for emea?

[dusty spire]

Yes EMEA

But I think it’s not restricted

[frank wedge]

Alright send the invite

[dusty spire]

So both servers can use

[indigo solar]

Inverted fury, 1.37x body damage < 1.3x headshot damage

You shouldn't be using fusion too much

[devout void]

yea i try every thing except swordbreaker anhilation

[kindred pagoda]

crit multi on all mythic shotguns is 1.1x that means you need to hit roughly over 53% crits with your pellet shotgun to make inverted worth it

aint nobody doin allat

[bold thunder]

Hear me out though, what if I'm really bad at aiming

[true mauve]

Her issue isnt support buffs being OP. The issue is her Damage is prob best dps in game

[dusty spire]

Im bout to do a chaos run I haven’t done one for a while, anyone got a movie to recommend while I do it blindly lol

[indigo solar]

He's doing expanse, if he doesn't hit crit he can restart

That said @devout void I forgot the impact mod gives +20% body shot damage

[true mauve]

Nobody survives 1 shots in expanse 40 now as is. Do we get our Titan meta with expanse 50 where all we do is play bulletstorm dodging everything?

[kindred pagoda]

so then critting is damage loss 💀

[true mauve]

HH Has highest dmg she is only one who can survive the hp inflation

Almost every fix ends with her being on top UNLESS they make cycles limited to only those shinka types usable. Then she wouldnt be allowed in non precision cal ops. She still wins rest of game

[stone mantle]

On helhest which exotic linear fusion rifle to use with the recent nerfs?

[sharp talon]

qb seems to be better in the current calamity cycle, i'm unsure though since i dont play her

[indigo solar]

Yes

[true mauve]

We need MASSIVEA creep from dps going forward. Essentially 90% of lightbearers will be useless

[bold thunder]

A lot of that is a weapon archetype problem

[short locust]

Buff everyone's numbers, and number crunch it back down so she's not head and shoulders above everyone

[bold thunder]

Most of the weapon types just do awful damage

[sharp talon]

maybe let us spawn helhest drones and generate heavy ammo as any character 🤣

[true mauve]

Yes and no, where is Steve and Attal in cal ops? HH salvo is insane

[bold thunder]

Also true

[true mauve]

Thats indirect nerfs, community will freak

Thats a game rewrite 6 months in

The game was cooked from launch. They pushed the last test version as a full launch game did some QoL and bug fixing while pushing all the work alrdy made.

[karmic chasm]

I was going off with her yesterday at t1

[true mauve]

Made money cashin out

[indigo solar]

Helhest needs a nerf

I think a lot of the community would be less upset by it than you think

[true mauve]

Too little too late.

She already dominated game right after oppressive ning meta.

[short locust]

Community isn't smart enough to do basic math, it'll be alright

[hidden carbon]

The content is too reliant on hh as is so if she gets nerfed a ton of people who invested in her to do content will quit

[true mauve]

Lets nerf HH and leave all the leaderboards up. Now unattainable times. They already do it with expanse and cal ops cycles.

[hidden carbon]

The time and pinnacle sink to build a character is huge

[calm vortex]

I mean you could push out a balance pass as the leaderboards reset so its not like you'll mess with that necessarily

[true mauve]

Tbf I think everyone who didnt build HH is alrdy quitting.

[signal spade]

it doesnt matter anyway this conversations gonna come up in 6 months regardless people just act like the master 2 leaderboards are the entire game

[short locust]

Do it at the start of a season. Plus, if the buff/crunch happens, enemy HP can easily be tuned so she's just as strong as an individual character to whatever she was shooting pre/post change

[signal spade]

they could nerf helhest and people would be mad they didnt get t6 gwynn and cant get leaderboards again

[true mauve]

I dont think it will be here in 6 months

[signal spade]

then quit?

[hidden carbon]

Yeah ton of ppl i have added who play ning haven’t logged in for a while

[true mauve]

Eat your cheerios

[foggy igloo]

I don't get players in matching

[signal spade]

if you think a game thats been in dev for like 5 years is callin it quits in less than 1 fiscal year idk what to tell you

[true mauve]

Same, for all content also. I have to wait.

[short locust]

Didn't a Netease Marvel game make it 6 months before dying?

[sharp talon]

they published it not developed it

[true mauve]

Marvel Mystic Mayhem

[signal spade]

netease publishing is fake news

[true mauve]

Netease pulls plugs

[hidden carbon]

That game probably took less time in dev

[signal spade]

netease devs have been workin on this game since like covid happened

[true mauve]

That game had WAY more community interaction and had way more dev insight

[short locust]

Oh most definitely, I'm just pointing out it's not impossible to pull the plug

[foggy igloo]

I sat on iron bars matching for 10 minutes today and nothing

[sharp talon]

so mmm was developed by netease as well?

[signal spade]

yea any game can die anytime but if this game dies its not because helhest was op for 3 months

[true mauve]

Yeah its Game Over bro. People who only solo queue dont know.

[short locust]

Who said it's only because of HH, and not the dozen other core issues?

[sharp talon]

oh my bad lol

[signal spade]

idk doomer energy kinda boring when we're getting a new character new mode and new raid in the next 2 months

[foggy igloo]

I think the game would have done a lot better if it was available in India
India has a huge mobile gaming community

[sharp talon]

is it not?

[true mauve]

He reads 2 words then bust out his keyboardin gloves, its typical discord user

[foggy igloo]

It is but not on play store or app store

[sharp talon]

indian regulations or something about gacha?

[karmic chasm]

Dude I’m struggling to stay engaged. Thankfully being gay for Rossi really keeps me around

[foggy igloo]

No, gatcha games are there
I think its due Netmarble being a chinese company or something

[true mauve]

Dead chats more boring. New character should be monthly and should be a 4star and 5star both 🤷 new mode is morgrans 2.0, new raid is fun for a weekend and brings 🧀 drama

[signal spade]

ok games dead you win itll be eos next weekend

[hidden carbon]

Yeah I don’t have much motivation to play. I do my pinnacle chaos runs, bounties and look for stuff in the game to do

That’s the only reason my acclaim level is even going up

[true mauve]

I didnt play yesterday, maybe I will today 🤷 prob only for Iron Bar

[karmic chasm]

Oh yea iron bar is back 🗣️
I need to win 8 more for that emblem

[sharp talon]

expanse is fixed, might be a little fun playing that?

[true mauve]

Yay 3 days of 7 to play a game 🥳

[karmic chasm]

I almost beat 36 on Rossi yesterday. Was fun

[true mauve]

Nah precision shinka on 36 required to pass

[karmic chasm]

Attal is Iron Bar goat change my mind

[true mauve]

Gwynn

[short locust]

Tbf Attal cheeses with linear shots

[karmic chasm]

I beat the shinka and got the hydra to like 5 hits 💀
Was pissed but I was also not playing carefully

[tight talon]

I mean Expanse 40 is survivable with right build

[sharp talon]

there are some dupe glitches on expanse rn, might make clearing with non meta characters easier

[twilit thistle]

Eww I don’t want more characters. That’s how you get EOS. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. Also I’m tired of upgrading some mid char just so I can beat the expanse

[indigo solar]

She cheeses with hand cannon shots too

The right empty fort two taps

[indigo solar]

Agreed, missiles need a nerf

[twilit thistle]

Introducing: tankhest, with an over shield that is 10,000 hp.

[tight talon]

allat for overshield that disappears in 6 secs

[twilit thistle]

🤔 except the healing drone doesn’t disappear

Only char that can heal fast enough to do it

[true mauve]

2-3 shots then. I run full DR build and take 2-3 shinka shots when I have overshield up. I actually have a recording of my Ning taking a hit

[tight talon]

again, using off character in off content

;-; id have a survivalibility issue if i used Gwwyn in Solar Impact

it works yeah, but not expecting it to make a dent

[tight talon]

and u need to stay in same spot >.>

[twilit thistle]

HH stayed in the same spot on stg 40 tho.

[true mauve]

Ning is Arc in Arc expanse, and the element doesnt effect dmg taken 😭 im saying shinkas now alrdy 1 shot majority of players. How do you ramp that up more?

Expanse 40 is closest thing to end game 70k recco power we get. Cal Ops and Raids arnt even that tuned up

[sharp talon]

still need 74.3k for dps on calamity tho i think

[tight talon]

okay...

anyways, if stuff doesnt die, so do u die

[karmic chasm]

What the helly

[signal spade]

arc expanse damage is boosted on purpose to make you want to use kabr its like its own modifier

[karmic chasm]

Fr? It has to be that high

[sharp talon]

yea u get 30% extra dps

[karmic chasm]

They could have boosted it even higher ngl

[karmic chasm]

My HH Kabr and Rossi are there, but not Jaren

[true mauve]

Anything can kill you, you are missing the point. Some enemies are already tuned up to 1 shot, how do you tune more?

[tight talon]

They are tuned up to shill whatever the current character can deflect

so using off character will hurt most of the times

[sharp talon]

only my jaren is 74k+. wolf is technically 74k something but if i use bad artifacts

[true mauve]

HH?

[karmic chasm]

Make only Kabr’s shields be able to tank anything in expanse

Slow clear times but helhest would be cooked

[sharp talon]

add instant kill barrage as well lmao

[karmic chasm]

Threats would still clear it somehow

[tight talon]

Killothy made a Tanky HH, 10k Overshield with that Drones healing her

where does Ning get survivalibilty from

[twilit thistle]

😇 I didn’t even use it tbh

[true mauve]

So make expanse for 1 character kit only? By that standard HH shouldnt be clearing it isnt arc precision we need, we need Kabr The Resolute

[tight talon]

movement artifact at 16% HP

[sharp talon]

they should hire us to balance the game 🔥

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[karmic chasm]

Rossi now does 1 million billion dps per bow shot

He also mogs people

[twilit thistle]

Expanse was like 20 mins both sides for me on first attempts. I coulda gone back and got better times but it was so easy I just moved on

[tight talon]

well they didnt add Calamity Barrage, else yeah HH wouldnt be able to clear

plus using Arc Rapidfire in precision

[true mauve]

Lemme log in and show you

[true mauve]

The complaint isnt Ning not clearing it, dont shift goalpost

[tight talon]

i didnt...

[short locust]

Healing Nutation, Movement speed, Clones, and whatever other EHP boosting artifact you have on

[tight talon]

[true mauve]

You didnt even mention expanse 50 @tight talon and our dmg done wasnt being debated. Its the dmg enemies already do now.

[sharp talon]

the one shotting issue is only with arc expanse i think

[twilit thistle]

🤔 expanse 50 when

[tight talon]

that was convo about Calamity Ops and how new supports in different "spots" can remove HH from meta

[tight talon]

.

[signal spade]

all they need to do is put a modifier next week that says crits do 50% less damage and shes useless for a cycle

[sharp talon]

jaren is in rotation though? it would nerf him as well

[signal spade]

i guess 2 cycles idk when the new char drops

i dont think next week though

[tight talon]

gonna be one more reset before we get our new reprised character

[signal spade]

they could also just do the cringe thing d2 does and add surgest and say 'lfrs do 50% less damage in this activity, but shotguns do 25% more'

surges

[tight talon]

Surge

ye

[signal spade]

i need to replace this kb i thought i mistyped

[sharp talon]

the character they want you to use kabr has the same weapon type as helhest

[short locust]

All roundabout ways to solve the HH problem that hurts other aspects of the game

[signal spade]

yea i mean the issue is they released kabr too close and he doesnt bring a teamwide speedboost and an aimbot

[short locust]

Poorly treating symptoms doesn't make someone any less likely to croak from the disease

[tight talon]

I'd take LFR nerf across the board if it makes game state somewhat inline

[sharp talon]

i think they made him just to sell arbalest for helhest lol

[twilit thistle]

A modifier that makes it so that if a lightbearer hits an enemy that has a shield that does not match your weapons element, the light bearer takes 100% the damage dealt.

[solar narwhal]

Buff gwynn

[signal spade]

i mean i think the slow orbs are the least fun thing in calam ops so far so they can easily make even worse ones

[short locust]

If LFRs are overtuned I agree. (I genuinely don't know)

[sharp talon]

if helhest is on your team, your score flips a sign and is now negative

[true mauve]

Sorry it all seemed to stem off Raris comments to the convo we had earlier. If your comment was intended for Cal Ops i apologise I didnt know it was for that specific. @tight talon

[tight talon]

No worries

[signal spade]

and realistically unless you really care about expanse 40 leaderboards kabr clears 40 with 100x less thought or buildcrafting easily

so the issue is just calops

[twilit thistle]

At random, 1 void shielded vandal will enter the room. Kill Randal the vandal within 5 seconds or all light bearers will die.

[signal spade]

but calams kinda cooked anyway cause its always gonna force shinka types and youre always just gonna pick the one that does the highest damage and itll come down to whether or not you swiped your credit card if youre getting overseer that reset

[sharp talon]

they need to hire you. these modifiers are brilliant

[tight talon]

Want this in Solar/Arc Calops

100% spawn rate between encounters

[short locust]

Did I spread misinfo again?

[twilit thistle]

Wait it’s hellhest and kabr. If enemies are in the zone, and none of them have line of sight on you, regeneration and healing are disabled and start to take damage over time (so you can’t hide behind anything but a barrier). That and put snipers everywhere

[tight talon]

Oops all Zealots would be better

[short locust]

Modifiers are super easy to come up with. Unfortunately NE keeps making unfun ones like barrage

[signal spade]

the real meta problem right now is stonehoof and anesthesia

why is the tower defense just a bunch of solar lasers man

[neat valley]

The only thing I’ve been doing consistently in this game anymore is legendary campaigns , chaos runs for arti materials and logging in for rewards

The rest is pointless or boring , just my opinion though

[short locust]

General consensus opinion tbh

[neat valley]

Oh and keys 🔑, maybe a fishing once in a while

[karmic chasm]

I like that one bc it’s fun to completely tank as Kabr/Rossi 😈

Not that I’m running Rossi in Master Calamity very often 🥀

Nobody gonna let that happen

[short locust]

[signal spade]

just did a 30 wave bulwark no crates in any of the 5 chests

end me

[true mauve]

No lol

[short locust]

I'll try harder next time

[dusty spire]

Community PvP event this Sunday for destiny rising iron banner.

Will be 6v6s

Want info DM me.

[scenic moss]

Hey there everyone!

[frozen nimbus]

And calops for the clusters/leafs

[dusty spire]

I would if we could pull something off lol

And same server

[karmic chasm]

Diff servers is so dumb

[limber pine]

Dmed

[karmic chasm]

This is a bad strike for Rossi tho

Well not that bad, but worse than Pit

[indigo solar]

Talk to @remote pelican

He's been trying to schedule stuff for a few days

[twilit thistle]

👀

[lilac seal]

🍿

[dusty spire]

Thanks! @little lotus

[cyan tide]

Even the dev team doesn't have stone hoof unlocked lol, how can they do a guide and skip one of the most important towers

[astral bear]

does jolted transit work with partridge sky

[karmic chasm]

Jade rabbit needs to be removed

[tight talon]

At this point, just lock all bis weapons behind pinnacle system and use 5 pinnacle to reroll everything and locking further rerolls once best weapon/artifacts are unlocked

[twilit thistle]

👀

[tight talon]

end my misery

[verbal sluice]

Has the devs said anything about what they plan to do with hh?

[karmic chasm]

Let her be broken forever

[verbal sluice]

damn

[short locust]

We being sarcastic to ppl that won't be able to tell again?

[karmic chasm]

Yes, but I genuinely think that’s what’s gonna happen

[verbal sluice]

Dw i could tell. But anyway; I love how since i didn’t play until last season I’m basiccly locked out of the leaderboards purely by not owning 1 char…. Until they rerelease her IF THEY EVEN DO

[short locust]

Oh me too, but devs didn't say that (out loud)

Game will shut down before then imo

[karmic chasm]

Real

[white fossil]

love disconnecting and lagging with sub 50ms

[cyan tide]

Nah, they will just release another broken support to give Helhest more competition

And then people will just run both at the same time lol

[exotic apex]

Hi

[vagrant veldt]

How much power does bumping all your stuff to 85 get you? Is it 1k or something else?

[karmic chasm]

Yea 250 per artifact so that’s 1k

[vagrant veldt]

Oh, 250? So it's 1200 for weapons and artifacts together?

[cyan tide]

Weapons give like 200 each, not entirely sure

[white fossil]

weapons give 200 power each yes, x2 is 400 when both level 85

[vagrant veldt]

So 200 each for two weapons and 250 each for four artifacts. So 1400 in total?

[oak jasper]

yes

[vagrant veldt]

I'm only a bit above 70k with my first character. Trying to figure out if I need to keep investing, or if I can move on to another and keep 70500 after seasonal bonuses leave.

[white fossil]

yes 🙏

[vagrant veldt]

Nice, thanks!

[hidden carbon]

They’ll give her a mild nerf to her salvo probably

[karmic chasm]

1400

[verbal sluice]

Yes but it doenst exactly fix the underlying issue now does it?

If you don’t have 1 of 2 charcters in ur team = no leaderboards.

I understand its a gatcha but doing this to destiny players is probably not the play….(where it’s more about grinding than p2w).

[neat valley]

i love my helhest

people slept on her when she came out

[karmic chasm]

Total I wanna say

[cyan tide]

There's always gonna be a clear meta comp no matter what, the best they can do is just give people more options

[karmic chasm]

For everything 85

[karmic chasm]

I love mine too and she’s only T1

[neat valley]

everytime i go into a normal lobby with helhest, everything just gets melted all around me

i just look at stuff and it dies

[verbal sluice]

Lol. Every game has meta weapons/characters whatever. But hh being so broken to the point that if you don’t have her on ur team you can esentially never ever be comp is a whole other lvl.

[hidden carbon]

Helhest is one of those characters that people didn’t want to go for cause she’s listed as a support but is actually the best character in the game

[cyan tide]

Amateurs, supports are always broken

[neat valley]

all i saw was she could generate heavy and give damage boost, i was like thats a no brainer

[short locust]

There was even a whale event along with her

[hidden carbon]

Exactly

I rolled for her t6 right away

[verbal sluice]

Too bad i didnt play:/ ggs

[short locust]

I would've had to spend money to get her T6ed, so I just saved and got Jaren T6

[hidden carbon]

I still say jaren needs a buff

[neat valley]

i t6 helhest, then i skippd maru, i didnt want a character with 2 slow weapons, then i got t6 jaren

best decision was skipping maru

[hidden carbon]

Maru is fun though

[neat valley]

cause everyone else got her

[cyan tide]

Lower the blazing shot cd, or make it reset when you trigger stag protection

[neat valley]

theres more maru players ,than helhest and jaren

[hidden carbon]

Definitely easier to play maru than helhest

[cyan tide]

Eh, I see Jaren more often

[short locust]

I skipped literally everyone, and only heavily invested in Ning and Jaren

[hidden carbon]

Lot of HH don’t know how to cycle their abilities right

[neat valley]

lots of players just dont know how to do that on any character

[hidden carbon]

Trueeee

[neat valley]

we need some type of guide or academy or something

[short locust]

It doesn't help that rotations and cycling change with different Talent levels

[neat valley]

most of the time some players are struggling but its just them not understanding how everything works

[verbal sluice]

Well jaren was the prev seasons char so not that surprising seeing him a lot

[short locust]

T5 Jaren and T6 Jaren might as well be different builds since the rotation is so different

[hidden carbon]

True

[karmic chasm]

That’s me but everything still kinda dies lol

[hidden carbon]

How’s your calam going?

[bold thunder]

This post is very funny

[neat valley]

i dont think the dev team even plays the game