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[karmic chasm]

Ring of Abundance, Ring of Safeguarding, Ring of Courage, and Bellicose Plantismal are amazing on him

[native lion]

ouuuu O.O

[karmic chasm]

Illuminated ground is good if you can stand still

[native lion]

^ guess it depends on your playstyle huh?

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-light-yagami-damn-it-frustrated-he-got-me-gif-5213653099506878096

[karmic chasm]

I have the most invested legit Rossi build on NA

[native lion]

🔥

[dusty spire]

So what if we got rid of unstuck and instead put teleport machines that a runner who ever it be can press and port team to them?

Like in each main checkpoint room?

It beats waiting on respawn too after death since it could made to respond instantly?

[karmic chasm]

How about we made the game not about speedrunning rooms and credit card debt

[karmic chasm]

The thing is, Bellicose and Illuminated Ground are just free damage bc you can throw Rossi’s arc cage at the ceiling to activate them, and then immediately have the cage back

But illuminated requires you to stand still while casting

[dusty spire]

New game mode next week

[karmic chasm]

I’m gonna be using you know who no matter what

[thin valve]

what mode

sparrow racing 1 v 1 duel?🔥🔥🔥

Or sparrow racing between towers in bulwark while also playing cards

[lusty pelican]

that's the only reason why the game isn't dead...

[sharp talon]

sounds fire

[thin valve]

game isnt dead?

[lusty pelican]

fully dead

i mean offline

[true mauve]

Remove credit card debt by using Ning

I can hit floor 36 in 2 ½ minutes

[karmic chasm]

Real

Rossi can hit it in 2 days with a coffee break

[runic jay]

Hi

[icy mist]

can I go home?

[icy mist]

wanna piss me off Ur done

I'm pissed off

I love our lad!

[devout void]

what a lucky matchmaking

[karmic chasm]

YOO it’s back

[short locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712091265424031795/1290722139518931067/image0.gif

[mint tendon]

☠️

[bitter estuary]

i just played w/ 3 of em here

they dont know crap

or just slow as hell

[devout void]

yea nice speedrun

[bitter estuary]

not the jade rabbits

[mint tendon]

Wow Attal with the damage

[mint tendon]

Lmao ikr

[bitter estuary]

also WHY that jaren used htat crappy shotgun

[true mauve]

Way to be the only T6

[bitter estuary]

arbalest

[true mauve]

Clife certified p2w

[bitter estuary]

also hc's imo are better than scouts but no one's prepared for it

[mint tendon]

Jade rabbit in pve ☠️

[devout void]

nice shotgun on jarren

he find the new meta

[bitter estuary]

still better than swordbreaker

[true mauve]

They dont understand why yet. You can do double the dmg its why your magazine has half the rounds with HC

[mint tendon]

Fair

[drowsy cypress]

Why this s*it 4th day?

[bitter estuary]

tbf its still better than threat level like who would use hyperanemia over ensured yields

[true mauve]

Primaries are all supposedly balanced on a Magazine size to Dmg per bullet ratio. I.e. 1 shot from bow = 8 shots on HC = 16 shots on scout = 32 shots on AR = etc.

[devout void]

why download from here ?

[bitter estuary]

the only thing going for attal is the mini rockets so it does feel a tad better imo

[short locust]

Which is why bows are good

[drowsy cypress]

Coz no other way to top up battle pass+daily bonuses

[true mauve]

They feel good in PvE, they pop shields easy and can 1 shot reds

[drowsy cypress]

Only silver

[devout void]

you cant use this ?

[true mauve]

Void or Solar mythic bow?

[drowsy cypress]

Ofc coz u need mumu client

[devout void]

sorry i try to understand why dont use their destiny.exe on the website

[sharp talon]

maybe try a vpn, i heard some people had success with that (for very slow downloads)

[drowsy cypress]

Its same mumu client lol

[sharp talon]

i didnt use a vpn and it took like 40 minutes to update. play store is so much faster compared to mumu store, i would be done in a few minutes instead of 40

[drowsy cypress]

With VPN mumu dont launch store lol

[sharp talon]

ya idk ur in an unfortunate position lol

[devout void]

i mean yes but i never needed mumu store so im wondering why recently many people show that, i just use their destiny ready

[sharp talon]

when u update ur game, it still downloads them from mumu store servers afaik

its just very slow for some reason for a lot of people

bizarre because the downloads inside the game are much faster

[devout void]

oh ok

[neat valley]

I just use blue stacks and then buy stuff with the google purchases

it’s connected to my email so it’s fast and easy

[sharp talon]

mumu runs better on my computer. i suffer through the slow download as its not that often

[neat valley]

I mean either should be fine , depending on your system , if you have beast pc you can run anything

[drowsy cypress]

U cant buy from google in Ru

[neat valley]

Oh damn

That’s sucks

[drowsy cypress]

haha u just cant run ANYTHING on mumu lol

even vpn

[sharp talon]

did u try a system wide vpn on windows? maybe that'll work. i'm not sure thoughg

[drowsy cypress]

If u run on windows, mumu just crash network connection lol

[karmic chasm]

Solar hopefully since the crossbow is mid. And also then we can use LeMon

[sharp talon]

wow idk lol

[drowsy cypress]

999 IQ emulator

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar is calming token and hawkeye token the new meta for umeko?

[indigo solar]

Still inverted fury, calming still doesn't work properly with Izzy

[neat valley]

im a non meta player

i make my own meta

[prisma nest]

🐿️

[bitter estuary]

finnala bes

[pulsar coral]

Which supset of stats is better?

Both builds I’ll be running total lockdown and either Arby or RC

If I could reroll either super boost that would be ideal lol

[neat valley]

yeah

but trying to change only 1 is always the hardest'

[obtuse turret]

Anyone up for a wave 15 bulwark run?

[pulsar coral]

@dusty spire @karmic chasm

[karmic chasm]

Since he has a damage signature that is arc, and also apparently does arc damage through his barriers, I’d keep the first one. I’d actually go for arc over signature but that’s just me

My setup is from Rossi so it doesn’t have super

[white fossil]

oh ok 😭

[karmic chasm]

Bruhhhh

[pulsar coral]

So drop the solar boost one?? I’d prefer if the first one had solar boost on it instead of super. Bc my slot 4 has arc boost

[simple plank]

Im a fan of Ability Weapon Super Arc

lowkey though Ability Weapon Solar Arc may be the secret

[karmic chasm]

I got rid of that in favor of sig bc of Rossi’s damage

But I agree that for Kabr super is better than sig

[pulsar coral]

That’s the god roll for me. I’ll keep trying lol. I wish the reroll dice were easier to obtain!!

[karmic chasm]

I’m ngl raptor, since you might also end up running Arby and TL together, go with that second role

I’m changing my mind lol

[pulsar coral]

Reroll this super boost to weapon enhancement and I’ll be set

[pulsar coral]

Yea 2 solar weapons. Makes sense to me

[karmic chasm]

Yea it just covers your butt more

Makes him the versatile character he’s supposed to be

[devout void]

my meta

[pulsar coral]

Is this correct on how I would probably transfer it? Does it keep the stats?

[devout void]

yes

[pulsar coral]

Okay great, I think I did the reverse last time 😔

[karmic chasm]

Nah bc his super with arc boost actually hits

[pulsar coral]

So you think this is completely good to go? Keep the super? lol

[karmic chasm]

And you get it almost every minute, or exactly every minute with t5

[karmic chasm]

Honestly it looks great for now

And it’s cheap if you get weapon enhancement rolls later and want to switch both

[pulsar coral]

This is my slot 4, I pulled it from HH.

[karmic chasm]

Yep, that’s the exact roll I have on Rossi and Helhest (and Kabr)

Bellicose is the goat artifacts

[pulsar coral]

Great 👍🏼

My Kabr is set then!

[karmic chasm]

Wait tho hold on

Are you not having slot 3 and 4 match

Bc if they aren’t near tier 10 or at it, that waters down all the stats

[pulsar coral]

Rampaging for 3 bellicose for 4

[karmic chasm]

Like ideally if you are running arc solar super weapon, then slot 3 and 4 should both have that

[pulsar coral]

Slot 3

[pulsar coral]

Slot 4, I’m confused

[karmic chasm]

Hold on broski

[twilit thistle]

ye but number 1 umeko specifically runs it. Must be meta. Ngl the entire message was bc I was salty about the leaderboards right now. The only build that anyone can view is #1 umeko 😂

[devout void]

anyone have a map for trio bulwark this week ? 🙏 or same

[karmic chasm]

@pulsar coral if you take a look at my Rossi artis, you will notice how they are exactly the same rolls and therefore at a maximum tier.
However, on Helhest, I’m using Rossi’s slot 4, and my slot 3 is just the best one I could get to drop, so not only is it not the best stats, but it doesn’t match slot 4 entirely. Ideally, all stats should match

Super is the odd one out

[pulsar coral]

Do they have to be in the exact same order too? 🤨

That’s extreme min maxing lol

[karmic chasm]

No

[karmic chasm]

My goal is to have the best Rossi build so I HAVE TO

My other characters just kinda have to accept his substats even if they aren’t bis lol

Like Kabr could take super over sig, but I want them to share the same bellicose bc of it’s level

[simple plank]

cant wait for relics 2.0 to reduce effects by 90%

it would be so peak guys

[pulsar coral]

I never knew this, I figured if 1 has super and the other arc. It would play for more diversity. It makes sense to have 4 of the same for the highest possible stats. I’ll slowly keep working on it lol

[karmic chasm]

No problem haha

It’s a grueling process

[karmic chasm]

Destiny is just wonderful isn’t it

[true basin]

Sure is

[hybrid locust]

would you guys say it’s worth starting the game?

[errant narwhal]

Yes

They’re giving 60 pulls on the newest character for free rn and hes pretty good

[karmic chasm]

I love how he’s sort of redundant but like in a good way

[pulsar coral]

He’s fun to play. I’d still pick Jaren but I like him

[simple plank]

He's more than enough for endgame

[dusty spire]

Arc sig ability weapon

[simple plank]

Unless you really want Calamity Leaderboards he's strong

[pulsar coral]

No solar🙂‍↔️?!

[bitter estuary]

yeah sure

[dusty spire]

You can swap arc for solar if your statically using AB but once pierce content cycles out should be going back to RC unless your playing debuff

[vocal hawk]

He's an amazing addition to standard banner

Very strong but in a way that's like "this is a very stable addition to the roster"

[bitter estuary]

grinding mods is such a pain

i did abyss and none of the 3 exotic scopes matched my solar AR one

[dusty spire]

AB only works well for shink or if you already got a member on the team with higher piercing potential

[bitter estuary]

atleast i didn't have to use pinnacle

[true mauve]

Dang downloaded a new game about to hit 1st anni, checked mail rewards after tutorial. Game had an EoS letter sent out 💀

[pulsar coral]

I like Arby for taking care of elemental shields too

[dusty spire]

That to as a standard match to solar enemy shield types too

[simple plank]

Arby + Total Lockdown gives Kabr full shield and 3/4 shinka coverage

so cranked

[bitter estuary]

chat anni or solidarity for wrongful ingress i have both mods

[pulsar coral]

For the length of my time playing with him now and in the future for my personal playstyle. I think I’ll 9/10 choose arby over RC.

I like the shield coverage. He could cover well in future piercing expanse runs too

[dusty spire]

Warlock rotation sooon

Finally about time too

[simple plank]

RC is the pick if you've got an arby on your team for sure

[bitter estuary]

imagine ikora is AR+ shotty

[errant narwhal]

Only if you played during HH and pulled her, otherwise he’s a great character

[dusty spire]

Anything titan I’ll use so long it plays its position lol

[simple plank]

but Im always Arby so

[pulsar coral]

I have T2 HH and hate playing her so now I’m team Kabr lol

[simple plank]

5* xuan Wei right now

[vocal hawk]

this guy's thinking arby's

[dusty spire]

HH and New Kabr are to different play style

[errant narwhal]

I have t6 HH and hate playing her so I play Jaren or Kabr lol

[dusty spire]

One is defence the other is support we need to stop putting the style in the same pool.

[pulsar coral]

Jaren will always be my all time favorite. T6 was a great Christmas present lol

[simple plank]

Unfortunately HH does not conform to roles

[pulsar coral]

HH does every role

[errant narwhal]

Roles don’t really mean much to HH

[simple plank]

She just is and does.

[pulsar coral]

lol

[dusty spire]

Tbf she is support but she likes to support herself

When she supports others she actually amps them

[errant narwhal]

HH 100% takes over Kabrs role 9/10 times

[dusty spire]

But most HH play self support mode lol

[dusty spire]

No she don’t because she has no guard

[errant narwhal]

I try to tag where I’m putting my drones but everyone ignores it

[errant narwhal]

Ring of conversion is enough to stop one shots, good enough for me

[dusty spire]

Again I’m comparing roles not damage…..

[errant narwhal]

???

[calm vortex]

Whenever I play HH people like to avoid my drones like they are a damage field

[dusty spire]

One is clearly a defender and the other is support

[errant narwhal]

What does conversion got to do with damage

[dusty spire]

Well ok support healing

[twilit thistle]

👀

[dusty spire]

That’s your job stoping one shots too

[errant narwhal]

Regardless we don’t have a gamemode that makes defense characters useful, speed means everything rn and standing back with a shield doesn’t help much

[dusty spire]

Well I get you but I don’t play my account for chasing sorry lol

But yeah new game mode next week

[bitter estuary]

balls

[bitter estuary]

that one xuan wei main over at emea should be so happy after that

[errant narwhal]

Hoping it doesn’t revolve around speed

[twilit thistle]

I even restarted. Also on every friend I had, it now says "add friend". 👀

[dusty spire]

Says combat and survival 🤞

So I’m thinking a better wave game mode than Morgan hunt

[bitter estuary]

til someone finds a way to get oob and camp there

[errant narwhal]

Praying🙏🏻

[dusty spire]

This within 10 minutes of launch looool

[bitter estuary]

im preparing all my mythics prior to launch bc idk yes

[dusty spire]

Yup getting the pool ready

[bitter estuary]

back to the mines (crota's end)

[karmic chasm]

Exactly, and I didn’t pull enough copies of her to make her that much better. Maybe a little if I minmaxed both

[vocal hawk]

That's generous

[potent inlet]

Did an echo send any of yall a friend request here? Trynna assess if its a bot

[vocal hawk]

If it's @arctic cipher then they're a staff member (sorry for the ping, echo)

I would accept it

If it's not that same user then you should report them for staff impersonation

[pulsar coral]

@karmic chasm @dusty spire

This is slot 1&2 what are you running? What’s the god role?

I think range resistance will be good.

[karmic chasm]

I’m not sure, but you’ll need barrier I think 🤔

[twilit thistle]

😅 weird bug. Thought netease nuked my entire friends list for a minute there. I only have 171 ppl on there

[potent inlet]

No, different one but thanks

[pulsar coral]

Oh nahhhhhhh

[karmic chasm]

Wait why not 😭

[pulsar coral]

I’ll just place a new one

[karmic chasm]

Hahaha so true

[vocal hawk]

You should send a modmail through @unkempt depot with the details so we can take care of it

[karmic chasm]

I mean with defensive stuff god roll doesn’t matter as much. Find what’s comfortable and then match both

[pulsar coral]

T6 will boost it by 20% too

[vocal hawk]

Staff impersonation is kind of a big deal

[errant narwhal]

Plus he has a scout rifle so he’s better

[karmic chasm]

REAL

if only Rossi had one

[errant narwhal]

Scout and crossbow would be an insane loadout

[pulsar coral]

Jaren T6 is dope

[errant narwhal]

Mograns as him is insane lol

[pulsar coral]

Consent 11% boost

For ability and weapon

[karmic chasm]

I dream about it

[errant narwhal]

basically 10x both their damage

[pulsar coral]

That character will power creep the rest lol

[errant narwhal]

HC and Crossbow would be sick too

[vocal hawk]

I really don't get the dozens of suggestions saying Jaren's weak

[twilit thistle]

auto rifle shotgun

[errant narwhal]

Ikora be like

[dusty spire]

For his sets you really want to gold recommendation it makes him a solid ranged defender.

But if your looking for a sturdy damage that has no range fall off go for tailored

He has two damage sets

[errant narwhal]

Me either, he feels so strong and he’s a blast to play

[short locust]

[errant narwhal]

Need Jaren role rn

[short locust]

If HH didn't exist, we wouldn't have had such a lackluster first impression for Jaren

But he's my favorite character so far

[errant narwhal]

Their roles are different anyway

[short locust]

Damage is universal. And she did so much damage, it skewed people's perspectives of what's good and not

Ppl were trashing Jolder forever, and the whole "but her role is defense" was irrelevant there too

[true basin]

Wonder where Kabr sits on the tier list if there is one

[calm vortex]

HH is a pretty huge outlier shes one of the few supports in the game and very good at it, provides very valuable buffs for damage and speed, she has a really easy damage rotation which also happens to be one of if not thee highest in the game despite how easy it is, shes a huge outlier character

Every other character roughly falls into the same ballpark

Though speaking of I think its really funny that Arbelest does so much damage to Shinkas and shields you can basically pad your match result damage stat super hard with it, normally you cant do more damage to a target than its Max HP but because Arbalest does it in 1 bullet it counts the overkill damage

[true mauve]

A

[wind plank]

Any idea what artifacts/substats that he uses to get that expanse run?

[indigo solar]

Supports are always cracked in this game

Also technically tan has higher boss dps (but worse total boss damage)

[bold thunder]

If only tan had any movement ability at all

[indigo solar]

Wdym, he gets a 10% movement buff when he casts an enhanced ability

[pulsar coral]

I saw your build for Kabr on YT. My only concern, is how often is the overshield actually active on him.

[indigo solar]

Best movement in the game

[indigo solar]

Every char but Ning can always have overshield with proper micromanagement

[errant narwhal]

Low A seems to be general consensus

[errant narwhal]

finish 35-40 smh

[bold thunder]

Ngl I literally didn't know this was a thing (apparently it's 20%?)

[vocal hawk]

I concur with low A high B

[bold thunder]

Imo he's below Helhest, Ning, Jaren, and Maru, and maybe Estela and Umeko

Depending on the last 2 I'd say low A or high B yeah

[north lake]

.

[bold thunder]

Granted my opinion is largely based on theory since I don't really play half of the characters on that list

[pulsar coral]

Thanks for honesty lol

[bold thunder]

?

[vocal hawk]

I think I can agree with that list

I'd personally put him roughly equal to Helhest and Umeko depending on context

Not helhest

Estela

The other one with all the Es, Ss, and Ts

[true basin]

For some reason every 25 seconds it spawns him an overshield without using his signatures. I should have also mentioned that in the vid. The overshield last 6 seconds so it comes in handy when you’re ready to do damage

So when ever your ready to engage just put down the shield and let loose.

Also if you got him t5 which I think that lowers his super cooldown to 1 minute, you pretty much have high damage when ever you need it

[hoary agate]

Sounds like the Tier Effect.

[true basin]

Oooo that’s what it is

Damn even better

[pulsar coral]

I’ll get T6 in about a month. I’m T4 now.

For slot 4, is it a 25% for each barrier or only one bonus of 25% no matter how many barriers are on the field.

[true basin]

25 percent no matter how many barriers I believe

[pulsar coral]

I feel like bellicose could be better. It’s 30% whenever you use an ability lol

[true basin]

I'm in the shooting range now

just tested multi barriers, no change in damage

[true mauve]

There is a reason nobody has done it on Ning. You HAVE to kill a piercing shinka on 36 and Mahama tickles it

I tried with Rossi and surprisingly he did better

Jaren ia having a hard time

[calm vortex]

I was testing some shotguns again since I finally fully maxed some of them out and funny enough in a vacuum Thermo and Niaatiks pretty much perform the exact same, obviously this changes when you start tossing in character quirks and specific use cases like Shinka Shields but still neat.

[hoary agate]

Has no one done Arc on Ning? I kinda just assume if I can clear on Wolf, someone can clear it on Ning.

[true mauve]

It is literally only HH and Kabr in top50

[hoary agate]

Oh, top 50, not just a clear.

[pulsar coral]

Which is the better void option for Jaren??

[pulsar coral]

Thanks 👍🏼

[calm vortex]

Thermo in most cases, it lets him upkeep his stag during DPS phases

[pulsar coral]

So screw using void at all?

[calm vortex]

you can use void if you want to counter a shield

[true mauve]

The Spinosaurus Shots perk is HUGE it allows for precision shots. 5 slugs > 13 pellets

[true basin]

appreciate ya watching my video though

really means alot

[calm vortex]

Shotguns arent really all that inaccurate even without Spino, Spino is just a sizable damage bump outside of PvP where it does have actual range benefits

[true mauve]

I have a hard time getting 13 pellets to precision, 5 slugs always do

[calm vortex]

and if you arent Jaren you want to be doing Body shots since the Body Shot multiplier on shotguns with mods is higher than their precision damage

[true mauve]

The bonus from mods is only 20% i thought

[pulsar coral]

I’ll subscribe, I thought I did already. You’re welcome. Keep it up

[pulsar coral]

So in that case, which is the better void option lo

[calm vortex]

Hell even if your using Jaren's Light Link at T6 its only like 1% higher than body

[true basin]

Did I lose permissions to post on the videos-streams chat?

[calm vortex]

Threat Level, its also really easy to farm

[pulsar coral]

Okay thanks. It’s a cooler looker shotgun too

[calm vortex]

Honestly if you have a good Retribution already you can just use that the difference is pretty minor between the two

[bitter estuary]

the jade rabbit curse theory

[pulsar coral]

I’ve been thinking how I wanna play Jaren going into future cycles.

I plan to just hyper focus on Jaren and Kabr

[calm vortex]

Though if your just countering shields you can also try his HCs cause he has an option for every element and the Void HC is particularly good

[bitter estuary]

i rlly only pulled on the kabr banner so i can get attal copies lmao

[pulsar coral]

Good to know! I could run that and Octane if needed

He has a lot of options which I love

[calm vortex]

He has full element coverage in both slots, its nice.

[bitter estuary]

solar hc is also rlly good

[twilit thistle]

Apparently if you dont replace muqam m25 in bulwark ops, bad things start to happen that even my 4090 cant handle. It only took 8 muqam m25's.

Thats the first time ive seen the fps dip below 144

[errant narwhal]

[spark dawn]

I came here to ask if there any fix to this. Cause I made the mistake of going to a teammates side and he still has Muqam towers at wae 17 and my game is now stuck at 5 fps

[twilit thistle]

💀 I think thats thier way of saying "we arent going past 15"

[spark dawn]

The game must like, not remove the mote model even if you pick them up or something. Cause its not that many more motes, but after a number spawn the game becomes unplayable

The game needs to have the same system as Vampire Survivors and Megabonk, and have if too many motes spawn it just starts putting more value into 1 mote

[potent inlet]

Lol someone dmd me from this server and blocked me since i didnt tell em where im from

[twilit thistle]

#📥│contact-mod

[errant narwhal]

most people who dm you from this server are bots

[twilit thistle]

🤔 I wonder if there is a connection to the sweaty ikoras in sg

👀 @indigo solar I see you got on another leaderboard

[spark dawn]

Ya, if you get a random Dm from any big discord with open joining, its 99.9% a bot trying to scam you

[bitter estuary]

ok actually wait the threat level shotgun might be better than the ER bc of the fire rate 💀

[last ravine]

Quick question... I supposed they gave the Oversoul a heck more health in Hard mode crota as compared to Contest mode, Do people just generally 1 phase crota then?

[bitter estuary]

@indigo solar this might be 5* ikora’s bis if she uses the shotty

also swordbreaker is genuinely crap, still felt slow even after using a rate of fire mod

[karmic chasm]

They both have lots of good elemental weapons available

[karmic chasm]

Can can it even 1 tap in shifting

[bitter estuary]

i haven't tested it, neither have i tested swordbreaker

[bold thunder]

For some reason I have huge problems with this in coop but not solo

[karmic chasm]

Bc it’s like Niaantiks already does that

[bitter estuary]

swordbreaker is slower than the niaatiks

[bold thunder]

My fps drops to like 10 until I delete them

[bitter estuary]

but if its one shot in the head ig its worth it

[karmic chasm]

Do they even know how shotguns work 😭

[karmic chasm]

No bro, Niaantiks already 1 shots body

[bitter estuary]

fair

i dont get why swordbreaker exists

[karmic chasm]

Green

[bitter estuary]

it's base fire rate is 55

idk if its slower or faster

[balmy raft]

why did they reduce it by 25 compared to d2 wtf 😭

[bitter estuary]

ok so both niaatiks and swordbreaker are 55

[calm vortex]

I wouldnt use RoF on shotguns in general you get more mileage out of Mag Cap and Reload Speed depending on the character

[bitter estuary]

lemme test sg then

[bitter estuary]

i for sure wouldn't use RoF on threat level too lol

i think Threat > ER now

that was quick

[calm vortex]

They are pretty even you could use whichever you think is coolest

[karmic chasm]

Niaatiks definitely just exploded people last I used it

[calm vortex]

There is some tech you can pull with Ensured Yields for Shotguns but sometimes there just isnt a convenient enemy to blast first

[bitter estuary]

it really depends actually

hyperanemia requires final blows to gain a damage while karmic reward is per shot to do it

very situational, both have line formation so there's that

[calm vortex]

Line formation is eh

You can get a higher burst out of it but you dumpster your total damage

[prisma nest]

why would you not want a slow rpm shotgun anyways

[bitter estuary]

that being said, threat level has cracking reaction, but idk if it's the better pick, annihilation is the "Recommended" perk which idk what the devs are smoking

[prisma nest]

it hits harder

[calm vortex]

Cracking is basically the same as Spino pre-mod upgrade

So its somewhere in the ballpark of a 20~25% boost

[bitter estuary]

swordbreaker i genuienly dont know how to fix it, well there's conjugation+wound counter, but you need to be in the same element so it works, that being said there's already thermopylae, and i don't know why i would wanna use swordbreaker on jaren

also low firerate makes it wack for jaren since stag protection only lasts for 12s

[calm vortex]

yeah Rapid Fires are just more convenient for Jaren outside of really specific cases to do with ammo efficiency but you really dont have to worry about that in the majority of content

[bitter estuary]

it might be good for the expanse, but idk how much it's pulling out per shot, and crota's pretty dead so i might grind for impact exotic mods later, and i'll come back with a conclusion if i can

[calm vortex]

Its alright but any aggressive that doesnt have Lash is just gonna get outdone by Niaatiks unless you need a specific element of shotgun for shields but then you could just use your HCs for that too

Lash pretty much fires an extra shot from thin air every other trigger pull, its pretty buff

and it especially has synergy with Jaren cause Lash has its own Welling Light proc without consuming additional stacks lol

[zealous pelican]

Where tf do we get the last 2 jade rabbit dupes for 3rd cat?

[bold thunder]

Currently we don't

Presumably either we'll get it from a later stage of the event or it'll eventually be added to the engrams

[karmic chasm]

Lowkeingly natty 75k

[errant narwhal]

Whats Steve at

[karmic chasm]

74.7

It’s bc I a pretty nice nourishing pact dropped for both of them

I accepted it and put it on lol

[errant narwhal]

Understandable

[twilit thistle]

It only became an issue on round 10 😂

[bold thunder]

For me it usually becomes an issue around wave 6 or 7 on coop

[twilit thistle]

I kinda miss issakis. I used to like getting in random places to drive the other umekos crazy.

[errant narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[indigo solar]

I've been on that leaderboard for over a year lmao

[indigo solar]

Will entirely depend on kit tbh

[indigo solar]

Yeah main point is for one tapping shinkas w/ welling generated by TLW, otherwise thermo is better

[tight talon]

And Oversoul Edict for her primary

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmam-bird-staring-gif-21593664

[twilit thistle]

🥺 i wish I could have a nice shiny #1 spot

fr tho #1 umeko recommends this new meta.

[indigo solar]

Me too

[indigo solar]

Nooooo

Abundant planetesimal gives full health + overshield whenever you go invis (plus more during neutral), abundance doesn't to my knowledge

And obv calming bad

18% boost

[errant narwhal]

erm its Oversoul Decree now

[indigo solar]

Inverted is 20.3%

Without the stationary requirement

[twilit thistle]

No i mean u can take damage while ur invis, clearly because 100% of the enemies can see you its reasonable to need an abudnant ammount of healing bc ur visible but invis. Also umeko is ususally stationary, so accuracy is needed to hit those precision shots from 20m away.

#1 umeko recommends it

[tight talon]

it will always be Edict for me

[naive ingot]

And me

[indigo solar]

Nuh uh it's verdict

[tight talon]

Just got a screenshot

[naive ingot]

I really need to fall asleep

[twilit thistle]

Who am i #5 umeko to say otherwise. The second i saw this, I cried. All that time thinkng that invis makes me stop taking damage. It was wrong.

[indigo solar]

Yeah that's what it is now

[tight talon]

Nuh uh would always be Edict

[naive ingot]

I would get a screenshot in d1 or d2.... but that means getting out of bed

[twilit thistle]

Actually I think I found an alternate meta for umeko, this is #3 umeko.

[errant narwhal]

go on dim

[tight talon]

Would it even work? I had 4 piece Radiation on Umeko

But i was shield breaking myself too much

[twilit thistle]

Who am I to question #3 Umeko 😞 I am but a mere #5 Umeko

[tight talon]

You will still be #1 for me

[oak kettle]

I managed to jump from 96th highest power helhest to 65th this week. Wasn’t expecting golding my final 2 pieces to make that much of a difference but eh makes sense I suppose

The push up through the ranks shall continue purely because I don’t have anything better to spend my energy on (given helhest’s guaranteed viability for a long time due to Kabr being a recent release, no need to push any other characters up higher than where they are at rn)

I’ll probably naturally get some power increases for Jaren, Maru and Estella as now that I have all 4 artifacts with quad golds on helhest I can focus drops for one of them instead but all the rerolls will go into making funny number go up

[errant narwhal]

I think that may be from a lot of higher power people not logging in for the whole week, I could be wrong tho

[noble orbit]

Is there any chart for the god rolls for the recent weapons?

[tight talon]

Not all weapons are decent. Some are. Threat Level Double Thumbsup and Oversoul Decree with Fire Rush/Glutton are good ones that i know

[noble orbit]

Yeah But like.. I just wanna have them for the sake of it in case

But again would be nice if there was a chart for the recent weapons

[lyric scroll]

Hello Tan-2 is good hero?

[oak kettle]

I mean I did go up like 140 power or so which might just push the bar past those who got up to what is certainly high enough for any content

Bit more than that I think

[errant narwhal]

He’s alright, one of the worst Mythics but still has a lot to offer

[lyric scroll]

I didn't like it either.

[oak kettle]

Tan is… eh. He’s certainly not bad, but his main strengths do not line up at all with the current design of endgame

[karmic chasm]

Who have you been enjoying

[karmic chasm]

Everyone thought he would be great since wells are so important in D2- then we realized this game was literally just speedrunning

[oak kettle]

Mhm. Doesn’t help that Helhest has basically the same stuff on a literal 0 second cool-down if you’re smart with it

[lyric scroll]

What is your best guys?

[oak kettle]

I main Helhest, got her at 75290 power while using her best weapon and 75450 with her highest power one (NetEase let us enhance archer’s tempo please I beg), after that it’s Maru, Jaren and rarely Estella based on enemy type for me

Ning Vibes too for quick clears of lower endgame stuff that needs rapid fire

[bold thunder]

Tan has a good kit that doesn't really fit much of the current endgame meta

if we get some changes in endgame content style down the road he could be good but for now he's in a weird place

[bitter estuary]

isn't threat level bis cracking reaction+recommended perk?

[bold thunder]

Helhest and Umeko are good alternatives with more meta friendly kits if you like precision/support characters

[bitter estuary]

alternatively, you also have attal

[bold thunder]

attal does technically exist

(I'm just teasing, attal is also a valid if slightly offmeta choice for support precision)

[oak kettle]

Calling Helhest support is very much true but also feels restrictive on what she does cus “Support” doesnt exactly scream good at killing stuff very well personally

Which she very much is

[bold thunder]

I mean tan is also very good at killing things very well, but I don't think many people would argue he isn't support

[tight talon]

Sadly nope. Cracking Reaction falls short compared to Anhilation

[bitter estuary]

that's surprising

[oak kettle]

Genuinely there are times where I feel like offence characters are doing a worse job at offence than helhest tho, with tan it’s far more debatable

[scenic wigeon]

Is this a good build?

[calm vortex]

Cracking Reaction just has all its damage up front and some funky interactions with bonuses

[errant narwhal]

your resolution still makes me uncomfortable

[scenic wigeon]

I'm sorry I'm on an s9+ cause my s20+ sat in a puddle for 24h before being found :(

Set it low for the battery life...

[bitter estuary]

it's the weapons

[errant narwhal]

understandable

[bold thunder]

to be fair, in general I feel like "offence" characters tend to be a lot worse at killing things in general

[karmic chasm]

My best is Rossi at 75250 or something I don’t remember

[errant narwhal]

Helhest has the highest dps in the game

[bold thunder]

piercing weapons are just hard to compete with

[tight talon]

No

[errant narwhal]

Jaren does a great job

[oak kettle]

Yeah. That’s definitely a big part in it. Royal Contravene is just so good and bows aren’t bad either

[bold thunder]

technically tan has the highest to my knowledge, but that's being pedantic

[karmic chasm]

He gets points for style

[scenic wigeon]

I need orbs :( but I'm broke so no budles for me rn

[errant narwhal]

its high noon all the time

[bold thunder]

Helhest does kind of just do everything the meta wants you do do really well

[bitter estuary]

for example, attal's s1 has ricochet, and her hc does well for ad clear, but still much worse than your typical offense characters at doing ad clear,

well except xuan wei (outside pvp)

[karmic chasm]

Run fast, heal fast, and do burst dps

[errant narwhal]

spawn heavy, auto aim and auto reload

[jovial onyx]

How do you guys get so high do jou spend money or something
Pleas just give me some info tho level up my charachterd

[karmic chasm]

That auto reload is so dumb. Even on Kabr like what

[oak kettle]

Gives speed, gives heals, gives damage boost, keeps good uptime on heavy, locks enemy groups in place to get splashed/pierced, good add clear, near enough best dps, what’s not to love

[karmic chasm]

Why do we have an automatic LFR 💀

[errant narwhal]

Power is time grind for the most part, spending money speeds up a bit with the black market and bundles but thats about it

[jovial onyx]

Im f2p

[bold thunder]

the only thing helhest isn't very good at is staying alive, which conveniently is rarely an issue in competitive endgame content

[calm vortex]

Outside of some situations with Tan, Helhest is consistently the highest DPS character for very little effort

[errant narwhal]

Have you got past all the acclaim hurdles?

[jovial onyx]

Jeah 13 im i

[oak kettle]

The literal only complaint with helhest is that her ability to vary elemental shields does cost her her best weapon cus she doesn’t have any bow element variety. And not getting nuked by big damage all at once

[bold thunder]

I mean I guess it then comes down to what you're defining as highest DPS

[errant narwhal]

I wanna say last one is 20 for 3 gold medals but the game is more streamlined after that

[bitter estuary]

usually when there's no pinnacle energy left, ppl grind at singularity chaos for better artefacts and crota's end for weapon mods, it's definitely a grindfest but you'll get there eventually

[bold thunder]

but yes Tan's peak dps is significantly harder to execute than Helhest's "hold trigger"

[oak kettle]

Well. There is 1 option for solar shields but the mines of gauntlet blitz have yet to give it to me

[scenic wigeon]

Estela might be a possible build in d2

[errant narwhal]

erm you mean use your signature then hold trigger

[errant narwhal]

??

what do tripmines got to do with Estela lol

[scenic wigeon]

"Summon"

[bold thunder]

I guess bc her relic is like ahamkara bones on her arm or something

and YAS is an ahamkara spine on your arm

[errant narwhal]

bit of a stretch

[jovial onyx]

Okey how do jou send images

Not a big nerd of didcord

[bold thunder]

talk an unhealthy amount

[errant narwhal]

gotta talk here for a bit to level up

[scenic wigeon]

Yeah, but then again, grenade focused build to act in as summons

[jovial onyx]

Alricht ten

[errant narwhal]

[scenic wigeon]

Budget estela

[errant narwhal]

thats hunter armor too lol

[scenic wigeon]

Mhm... so

[tight talon]

Solar Buddy Estela is closer to canon Estela than whatever :?

[errant narwhal]

yeah warlock and turret

[bold thunder]

I demand the next d2 warlock super be a dragon summon

[scenic wigeon]

Idk what the other classes do... I just played hunter in d1 and d2

[errant narwhal]

I’m just saying bc Estela is a warlock

[scenic wigeon]

Idk what warlocks can do

[bold thunder]

well skate mainly

[errant narwhal]

They do be skating

[tight talon]

They basically can have fastest movement and can wipe rooms with a single grenade

[scenic wigeon]

I've seen a few vids of those crazy movement builds

[oak kettle]

Woe, scatter grenade be upon ye

[scenic wigeon]

Shaxx is right... only way I can get kills in d2 crucible is grenades

Spam cluster bombs >:3

[scenic wigeon]

So your saying start a new character

...
Aw man

[tight talon]

btw @scenic wigeon this somewhere decent Estela Build

1 & 4 can be your choice, but this is what i run

Hyperanemia doesnt work with FireRush

[scenic wigeon]

Idk... this will hopefully keep me alive during encounters while I try and get those peices, survivability is a bit hard for me rn

[tight talon]

I mean you are buffing weapon damage for Estela when her summons are majority damage dealers.

[scenic wigeon]

Balance... ish

[tight talon]

and summons are dealing negligible damage unless they attack same target as you

[scenic wigeon]

Hence the signature marking them as priority targets

[tight talon]

You are gonna wait 8 secs after a single use of corruption just to increase their damage by 47% (400 per hit) aka 188 to total 588 damage x2 (1176) damage

1176 damage on a lvl 2 or 3 Bewitched Illusion

[karmic chasm]

@true mauve pushed to expanse 36 on Rossi, but I’m gonna need a new strategy on that floor it seems, as it was my first death

Up until that point it was faster than my Kabr run

[visual wharf]

kabr or kabr?

[karmic chasm]

Kabr

[south cargo]

yup and most of the time the AI doesnt even go after ads

[karmic chasm]

Like the one that’s worth running on expanse at all

[visual wharf]

well idk you're running with rossi who'd id argue is worse then kabr

[tight talon]

objectively this is better cause it counts both corruption skill and summon skill

[visual wharf]

so i had to make sure

[karmic chasm]

Worse than Kabr 2

By a long shot

[south cargo]

for general play yes i think, i use that

[karmic chasm]

Not worse than Kabr 1 even remotely imo, for like a dozen reasons

[visual wharf]

idk at least kabr has a primary id rather talk to akernan then shoot a bow

[karmic chasm]

You do realize pulses are like one of the worst in the game

I’m not talking feel- I’m talking numbers

[south cargo]

Safe guarding blazar on estlea is also best in 3rd slot

[karmic chasm]

I can understand them feeling better

I don’t hate pulses but like

[visual wharf]

ok fair but also u can just shoot the lmg the entire time

[tight talon]

i can see it, just that getting and maintaining overshield is slightly troublesome without using Heir Apparent but yeah

[karmic chasm]

Idk I kinda find Rossi’s bubble a far more reliable utility than Kabr 1 barrier. Although Kabr 1 in PvP is kinda uh, nice tbh

[south cargo]

ring of conversion and an os sub stat

i get constant 6000 os and 40% damage on all abilities on top of the one you showed

doing any solar damage counts as extra healing

[tight talon]

OS substat or Healing Enhancement tho

healing increases hp received from summons

[south cargo]

yup

warding pact for the dr while having summons up 11% per summon

33% dr

[tight talon]

i prefer to keep my summons alive

[south cargo]

33% dr is basically keeping you alive

also solar at max on damage artifact for the health on solar kills

[woeful star]

Whats the best way to increase team lvl except main story quest

[karmic chasm]

@visual wharf But hey, the longer I’ve played with Rossi, the closer I’ve gotten them to absolute maximum potential… the more I’ve run into their weaknesses. Some are just innate to their design being a 4* (such as not having two bubble charges), but others feel highly intentional so that they actually can’t benefit of their own kit in a meaningful way. Their talent proc conditions are an example of this. Once again, the plight of a 4*, but it’s kind of egregious at times.
Also PhotoGate doesn’t get boosted by Helhest or Tan even. It’s so dumb.

[tight talon]

follow handbook

[karmic chasm]

It’s fine tho bc I’m building Max Verstappen

[tight talon]

destined for greatness ;-;

[karmic chasm]

Do you have all the cats for her exotic… easy win right there

[tight talon]

cat 3 not yet, maybe? i dont wanna spend 100 cores for that tho ;-;

[visual wharf]

i find it hard to believe concertos will ever be outclassed so its not a bad investment

free 40% dmg buff plus reload for ur heavy is so good if we ever get another sidearm user

[karmic chasm]

Worth it

[tight talon]

counter argument

[visual wharf]

i dont see the argument

[tight talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ajr-brick-throw-ajr-brick-throw-jack-met-jack-ajr-gif-9892393028507050460

wont see this coming either

[prisma nest]

but jaren blinding for pvp

[visual wharf]

yeah i will im a professional with bricks

[tight talon]

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/commence-the-mass-stoning-gif-5759304547419891834

Just post that whenever someone pulls up with Tan

[prisma nest]

i feel like jaren has a good all-in-one kit

he blinds, he hits crits, he goes fast

high dmg too

[tight talon]

Jaren spectacularly lacks on demand heals unless you dedicate slot 2 for healing him

[karmic chasm]

He’s a cowboy. What else can you ask for?

[magic hull]

Lowkey, tan 2 is alr to play early game, I have the jade rabbit on it

[prisma nest]

🤠

[prisma nest]

damn i forgot i got the upgraded jade rabbit

[karmic chasm]

Yea that’s who I mained early game, just not late game. Now I main someone who is even worse for late game 😎

[magic hull]

I got it from event

[south cargo]

What does jade do?

[karmic chasm]

Nothin

[magic hull]

So it's Max ☠️

[prisma nest]

a lot of dmg

🐇

[south cargo]

more than polaris?

[magic hull]

Its fun

[prisma nest]

hmm probably

jade is all about crits not explosions

essentially hawkmoon vs ace of spades

[magic hull]

Tbh the reforge event was easy

[prisma nest]

good they should do more things like that

[magic hull]

How is the gatcha version of destiny even more fun than d2

[prisma nest]

actually do multiple ones at once

[magic hull]

I used to play d2 up to beyond light, then I sorta lost interest

[worldly hazel]

@true basin “I’m a defensive type btw” 😩💅

[karmic chasm]

Now there’s a guy who makes Tan look respectable

[prisma nest]

I like tan because he's essentially a well warlock

[worldly hazel]

My goat

[prisma nest]

but like I'm not really a well warlock kind of person

I'm more of a song of flames kind of person

[magic hull]

Supporting mah fireteam

[prisma nest]

I mean really if they added lumina it would be pretty cool for attal too

[south cargo]

They made well locks so bad in d2 now, so horrible to play, their kit needs a buff

[prisma nest]

tan-2 is the buff

[south cargo]

tan 2 is

[prisma nest]

the buff

[south cargo]

yup

[prisma nest]

dabuhf

[rotund flame]

I think they just wanted everyone to just get the weapon, thats why it was so easy

[magic hull]

I mained hunter in d2, was fun

[prisma nest]

I feel so overpowered because I main golden gun Hunter

[south cargo]

i mained whatever the meta was

[prisma nest]

whatever I was already doing, im doing more now in rising so i feel like I'm strong as hell with Jaren

[magic hull]

I personally used arc strider

[south cargo]

yeah power in this game gets to a point where you'll feel op af because theres no content to actually test anyone

[prisma nest]

My least used element in all classes

[south cargo]

other than gms or contest raid

[prisma nest]

it's not that

it's because I'm actually going crazy on the enemies

like I already main last word

[south cargo]

oh of course thats the main thing

[karmic chasm]

Uhhh

If you think about it, they took Well and cut it in half so you can only use healing or damage boost, not both at once 😭

[prisma nest]

I mained the last word since Forsaken

[south cargo]

jaren is also 2nd best character atm, i missed getting him

wish i got him

[prisma nest]

you can at least get last word still

[magic hull]

Pair it with the What was the one exotic smg that was arc in d2?

[errant narwhal]

Add spam swapping to do both

[south cargo]

yeah but last word is really good on jaren best primary in the game

[prisma nest]

legend of acrius??

[errant narwhal]

thats a shotgun aint it

[prisma nest]

oh you said SMG my

[karmic chasm]

5 Lumia leaf per button press

[magic hull]

No you got it through quest along with the cat

[prisma nest]

my bad

[errant narwhal]

make it silver and I’m in

[prisma nest]

riskrunner

[errant narwhal]

dont want the f2p snobs to be able utilize king Tan

[magic hull]

I used TF outta that on my hunter

[karmic chasm]

But no, idc that Tan is a standard character, he’s a welllock, they disrespected him heavy

[prisma nest]

but also f the riskrunner

[karmic chasm]

He needs a buff

[errant narwhal]

He really does

[prisma nest]

give us zhalo supercell ty

[karmic chasm]

Like idk, two fireballs or like longer super or SOMETHING

[magic hull]

I don't remember gear cause it's been a few years

[south cargo]

Helhest disrespects everyone unfortunately

[prisma nest]

zhalo > riskrunner

[errant narwhal]

Was hoping for it when we thought this act was rapid arc

[karmic chasm]

I’m going into the mainframe to patch her out of the game

[prisma nest]

Warframe?

mesa?

[south cargo]

wonder how the game would be without her

[karmic chasm]

Fun, probably

[prisma nest]

just wait until dredgen yor?

[thorny frost]

Lower super cooldown I think would be better. Make it so he can use it for more encounters.

[errant narwhal]

Thorn meta

[prisma nest]

thorn vs last word

[south cargo]

We'll see

[errant narwhal]

Make his character quest you dueling Jaren after burning down the village

What is the canon reason Jaren’s ghost didn’t revive him? I don’t really get that

[karmic chasm]

I actually have fun playing Helhest since I’m a rare bow enjoyer, but at the same time, if she wasn’t in the game, so many other characters would have seen tons of use in these cycles. Attal, Tan, the new Kabr- they’d be asked for

[prisma nest]

attal is interesting with TLW

[karmic chasm]

I tried that too yea

[errant narwhal]

I run her with TLW and EOL

[prisma nest]

it already reloads fast

[karmic chasm]

I’m gonna do simit and arby tho

On Attal

[errant narwhal]

I need a mythic hc built but too lazy

[karmic chasm]

Simit was my original fav hc until TLW dropped

[prisma nest]

i like empty fort too

also the legendary HCs should be able to be upgraded to mythic

[errant narwhal]

All legendary weapons should, theres a lot of cool ones

[prisma nest]

i like subsistence + dragonfly

cant remember the 180

anyways its void Trust

[karmic chasm]

I have a sneaking suspicion this is coming someday

Bc they realize that mythics in this game are the equivalent legendaries in d2

[errant narwhal]

I was hoping for them to do it with characters too but new Kabr kinda shut that dream down

[karmic chasm]

Yep

At least he’s fun for me

[errant narwhal]

Maybe in a while they might and start with Wolf

[prisma nest]

I mean really why even have mythics in the game

they should have just been all legendary and then they would have been usable

[errant narwhal]

They’re literally just orange legendaries lol

[magic hull]

Is wolf still good late game?

[errant narwhal]

Not on 31-40 expanse

CalOps is piercing impact so he doesn’t really work for that either

[prisma nest]

im saying

I mean it's a cool concept but

[magic hull]

Ah, alr.

[errant narwhal]

If we had armor they coulda made it limited amount of mythics equipped but that doesn’t work with only 2 equippables lol

[prisma nest]

see they could have done this but I feel like that would actually be a lot of work

like a ridiculous amount of work

[errant narwhal]

Destiny 3 trust

[karmic chasm]

He was pretty good last season due to solar and spread being in. It’s all about rotation

[errant narwhal]

Solar void with spread was good for him

[karmic chasm]

Like right now, Helhest is good. When arc piercing is out, she’s still gonna be hella good.

Wait a minute

[errant narwhal]

Last act all over again

like FYM we’re using her in impact blast solar void

[karmic chasm]

And that was BEFORE Arby 💀

[errant narwhal]

yeah its so stupid lol

[prisma nest]

ngl i would play rising on my ps4 💯

[errant narwhal]

console release would help players numbers immensely

[prisma nest]

it would obliterate destiny 2

[neat valley]

carry of the century

[errant narwhal]

What was Jaren doing wth

[neat valley]

Idk but report that guy

lol

[errant narwhal]

genuinely

[prisma nest]

really the best thing to run is mograns 👀

[errant narwhal]

400k is like 10 stag shotty shots lol

[prisma nest]

i feel chaperone would go crazy on jaren

[rotund flame]

Dang 700k is crazy. I managed around 600k with a random t6 jaren. Would have gotten higher if my 3rd wasn't a new light but it's whatever since it's was random matchmaking lol

[errant narwhal]

TLW is too peak unfortunately

[errant narwhal]

T6 Jaren is so good on this, I get 70m minimum each run

[neat valley]

I’m down to run some , don’t forget about the fish meal that gives 12% buff

[rotund flame]

Didn't know the fish meal worked in this mode

[errant narwhal]

Id run some if I wasn’t at work, I can’t play on touch controls lol

[visual wharf]

even if u are running a mythic hc octant is way better then chappy

[errant narwhal]

i mean obviously but chaperone is for style points

[prisma nest]

chappy is too kewl and goated😎

[errant narwhal]

make it a mythic so i can run it with tlw

[thin valve]

hm should i dump money into dr or codm

[prisma nest]

dump your life savings into dr

[bitter estuary]

you must whale

[woeful star]

Yep it says reach a certain lvl to continue the main quest, other handbook quests are also completed

[cobalt urchin]

Invest in stocks, mutual funds, EITFs, bonds, real estate...

Nah jk go DR they're bleeding money 😭 🙏

[thin valve]

Bought ning skin, gwynn skin, the ones that i was missing, bought nearly all journey bundles

Arbalest lame ahh skin

[thin valve]

Already got invested in them

Invested 150$ in dr and 50$ in codm today

Day started well

[prisma nest]

bro red dead undead nightmare w headphones is a vibe

i wanna play lost and damned mobile bro 🥲

[stiff geyser]

Om me man

Pm*

[prisma nest]

bro this cheat code "im an American. i need guns"

[elder wing]

Hey yall quick question are they remaking the existing characters from now on or we actually going to get a new character?

[celest fjord]

Meow

[bitter estuary]

buranyuu

[prisma nest]

variety of rap nonsense sound fx

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/pepsi-pepsi-man-sleeping-sleepy-gif-1433072301365909807

[devout void]

Jolder meta gg

[prisma nest]

dr pepper better

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmam-bird-staring-gif-21593664

[prisma nest]

i have a shotgun btw

birds hate shotguns

[errant narwhal]

Pepsi is the worst name brand dark soda

unfortunately

[thin valve]

Attal offense🔥🔥

[bitter estuary]

pepsi bes otherwise he will be in your walls idk

[bitter estuary]

random riskrunner user in the wild

[thin valve]

Ning skin feels good

[thin valve]

Yea escapes from thoo

[dusty spire]

With unstuck meta everyone is meta now 🙂 it’s broken lol

[thin valve]

Im still overseer damn

[devout void]

I could do the same unstuck it's all about the 2 helhest sadly

[dusty spire]

Same and it’s boring and not competitive anymore

It’s turned into who can find the most shortcuts

[thin valve]

Its turned into who maxed helhest when she had a banner

[dusty spire]

Those players aren’t the most skilled now seeing the abuse on it trying to excuse it

[thin valve]

Rapid arc calamity when, i wanna shine

[dusty spire]

As skill it’s really dead now so anyone with that type of score well done. You are now unstuck pro? lol

[devout void]

No i mean anyone can copy all the mechanics

But its only because you have 2 strongs helhest that you can kill at x3

[dusty spire]

So for now c ops is get lumi rotation and finished

[dusty spire]

Sorry but stop trying to protect rubbish now. Yes everyone can copy but it’s now a skilled less idea since now I’ve actually seen what it takes…..

[mental dagger]

W cope

[dusty spire]

But ay each the their own if it makes you feel great with the mechanics used to push “ high scores “ have fun lol it’s a small competition anyways and an unbalanced one to even brag on tbf lol dead

I thought I’d be like wow I’m impressed look at these videos

But it’s only showing me where to press unstuck loool

Not showing me skills lol just shortcuts

Some pros lol

[thin valve]

This game was never about skills

[dusty spire]

Obviously it’s showing now lol

[mental dagger]

True
If you have less layers of optimization and can only work on target prioritization and quality of holding W key it will leave players who were at the top before the unstucks were found and optimized in the dirt and it will take more skill

[prisma nest]

thank you for reminding me i need to play pokemon unbound

[lilac seal]

Yawn... eyes up Guardians...

[prisma nest]

serious btw

pokemon unbound = modded pokemon rom

[thin valve]

We need a maha skin

[mental dagger]

The best skill expression possible is speedrunning simple strikes by running forward in a game where the best movement is slightly better (maybe) than a base arc hunter

L

[devout void]

Wow

I forgot what I writed no

[mental dagger]

Good comms w longpost

[balmy raft]

I miss d2 runs 😔

[mental dagger]

Jolder eager edge

[quasi zealot]

Titan skate when

[balmy raft]

worldline double dash save me

[mental dagger]

Slower than just titan skating in d2💀
Because any jumps kill your momentum besudes partially hunter

[devout void]

Ok

[devout void]

My message keep being deleted

[dusty spire]

Ying and yang same thing, I get what your saying but if everyone knew unstuck you’d eventually end up with the same thing.

[devout void]

But obviously we have very different opinions, so I'm not going to try to change anyone's mind im tired. For me, it creates a skill gap, but people downplay it, and even when using it, it doesn't give the same result. So I'm just curious to see the game with zero mechanics someday. I think good players will always be in roughly the same spot.

[dusty spire]

What it allows is the gap is that it’s not knowledgable until reaching later ranks.

And I get it again I cannot justify using mechanisms that weren’t built intentionally into the game. But I get what you’re saying.

We use it get better scores 👌🏾

Still don’t prove general skill

But maybe a good calculus test 😂🤓

[devout void]

Small competition in Europe yes only 1 team play but in NA they seem to have fun with like 50 peoples doing that, doing the same but at the end there is still a gap between them. I could take Helhest right now with someone Jolder here and we will do 413k with the best unstuck

[dusty spire]

I get it, without it requires more thought on comps/gear ect

With iunstuck you use less of that and think more about the knock out numbers dps ect to shorten time more

[quasi zealot]

😭

[balmy raft]

you’d use the same comp and same build with or without unstucks lol what

[dusty spire]

We know that by the model of the game…

Anything new ?

The model is a progressive model so yes we would use same builds but accounts progress at different level?

As it’s gatcha

[devout void]

Like I said, no, because many do it to make 400k, that's not the issue, but you can't understand without trying. Take two friends with Helhest and you'll see, the timing is short but the video make it look easy

Yes, not everyone knows about it, but if someone is good, passionate, and wants their skill to be useful, I'm sure they've already opened YouTube, done some research, and found other good players. I find it hard to believe that a pro generational talent is hiding in Specialist II because they don't unstuck. Anyway enough for me today 🤓

[dusty spire]

Thank you and again I don’t agree on using mechanisms that weren’t intentional….again you can justify it all you want. I disagree, but ty for you pov.

[devout void]

Btw x3 without unstuck is possible i hope they share that, and all these top teams hate unstuck and want it removed

[dusty spire]

Anyways new game mode next week

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-wendy-williams-drink-coffee-yum-gif-6152189

mm yes calops tea

[prisma nest]

is tea worth it

[astral bear]

There is no skill gap in Calam lol

[serene ingot]

New gamemode 50/50 good or dead que within a week xD

[devout void]

Go in NA and do top 1 you got this

[astral bear]

Yeah definitely the most skilled players considering how fast most of them got crota done.

[devout void]

Its totally different, but top crota team NA and EU are also the best in calam that's interesting

[cobalt beacon]

exploits

[astral bear]

Second emea team plays calamity

5/6 of the first emea team doesn’t

So I don’t get your point really

[devout void]

You can be good at something, but every activity is different; there are top 10 expanse players who didn't even make the top 1000 crota

[devout void]

I don't have yours either because you claim that players with 460k+ aren't skilled when talking about Crota, but ultimately we find the same players overall. In Europe, TRK etc., NA threats and his gang

[devout void]

Their choice then

[dusty spire]

It’s not a skill gap it’s a calculation gap lol come on now

[devout void]

Believing that certain skills from top-tier calam score can't be transferred to other activities would be a mistake. However, yes, I saw a few "best Expanse" players struggle during the contest because it's not an activity they can restart 1000 times a day playing like a robot; it requires being proactive and resourceful.

[dusty spire]

How do I calculate unstuck to get from a to b slightly faster than the last one

[devout void]

I just know I could not compete so they are better that's all , just gg and respect for the passion

[dusty spire]

What point bs what location at what time lol

[devout void]

Btw top 1 and 2 crota europe dont exist in calam because they dont have their exploits, it was mostly because top 3 choose to play fairplay lol, TRK own europe

[cobalt beacon]

💯

[astral bear]

I never said that they aren’t skilled. I just said that there is no skill gap. You either have the character or you are screwed

[cobalt beacon]

tbf ik plenty of people that have the character and still suck

[astral bear]

Not a choice, not having helhest is a yikes when it comes to Calam

[astral bear]

True, but the current system isn’t exactly the best depiction of skill. All those „top tier players“ got benched when they had to play crota without their s6 characters.

And guess what, they didn’t perform

[cobalt beacon]

most did some didnt thats all

[devout void]

It's always funny to criticize players who try or blame them for a mechanic instead of talking about NetEase playing with that button by extending the timer with each update. And it's quite naive or dishonest to believe that these players wouldn't be in this spot if the mechanics were removed. Or to hide behind excuses for not doing better or even getting closer. If there's no skill gap, you can try, you did a good time in Crota, so it should be easy to transfer that skill, I think

Not having Helhest is an other issue but there is plenty of T6 Helhest everywhere ready to help 🦾

[cobalt beacon]

saying most got benched is actually a crazy take

[dusty spire]

Boring now let’s see once it’s removed

[cobalt beacon]

i pray

[quasi zealot]

Nothing would change placementwise

[dusty spire]

Likewise then we can see

[cobalt beacon]

calam will still be a p2w fest with or without unstucks

[dusty spire]

Ok and?
Let’s remove it simple

[cobalt beacon]

so that will make no difference

[dusty spire]

It’s not a big deal to remove it right ?🤣

[cobalt beacon]

the only thing is bro you cant hate on the players for using it you need to look at netease with these things instead of blaming the players that use it

[devout void]

I also dont have Helhest or Jarren so I mostly watch even if it's possible to x3 with Ning or Jolder I dont bother the grinder. But I will never be a hater, watch their pov and compare it with a casual here, the skill difference will be noticed

[dusty spire]

Is it needed?

[dusty spire]

I’m not blaming players, I just don’t agree with it being a core use lol

[devout void]

I dont know I just notice top calam player were also top crota player so

[cobalt beacon]

yea but your taking that anger out on players using it instead of netease

good players will be good with or without unstucks

[dusty spire]

I’m sure the top players ain’t scared to have unstuck removed

[quasi zealot]

Removing it will do virtually nothing. We will just have a player die to ads and death warp to next zone.

[astral bear]

I mean most of them did, I joined instanced where the replaced 12 players already

[dusty spire]

They would probably honour it as they want the true competition

[dusty spire]

Yeah then we can start looking at balancing that 👍🏾

[devout void]

Once again, they're trying to downplay the players' skill level because of T6. No worries, if someone is good at Calam, they'll be good at contests too, and in their free time, they'll make jokes with niche characters.

[devout void]

They even ask it

[dusty spire]

I’m sure players would be ok with unstuck being removed they are top

They have nothing to worry about at there bench level

[cobalt beacon]

unstuck is bothersome but in all reality it wont change most issues that calam has

[dusty spire]

This is why I don’t get the trying to safe guard unstuck.

[devout void]

You sound ironic but yes I read NA discord they will love to get unstuck removed

And they will still be good no worries. The worst thing about unstuck is waiting the cooldown after a wipe

[dusty spire]

Let’s see it happen and if it don’t work out

[cobalt beacon]

nobody is safeguarding it tbf

[dusty spire]

Ok so we agree let’s remove it and see how it goes?

[cobalt beacon]

what do you want to see?

[dusty spire]

Come back to this conversation then, until that it’s all noise

[cobalt beacon]

nobody is arguining that unstuck should be in the game xd

[dusty spire]

The actual effect of it being removed

[devout void]

Maybe removing unstuck will push p2w more when here we can wolf finala Ikora jolder ning for fun and overseer

[cobalt beacon]

it will turn into 3 jaren most likely

or 2 jaren 1 ning vise versa

[dusty spire]

Yeah might even push them into conversion from a sales point too

[cobalt beacon]

any character with running capabilities will be the new meta

it wont change much

[quasi zealot]

The mode is about going fast, it will always be pushed to the limit regardless of what they do to slow down the players. If they cater the mode to your liking then it will just be a gm with points.

[dusty spire]

At least then players can say see unstuck don’t work

[cobalt beacon]

calam is just a problem gamemode by itself

[thin valve]

Should i gamble my car money for dr ?

[devout void]

Game about speedrun but no speedrun mechanics so

[dusty spire]

Yeah it’s about going fast definitely 👍🏾

Let’s remove unstuck and keep doing that.

[devout void]

Im waiting the NA guy to post x3 run without unstuck and death 🙏🏻

[cobalt beacon]

so much effort

[quasi zealot]

Lacking motivation?

[cobalt beacon]

were getting 5x ads tmw in sphynx we got some today

[cobalt beacon]

nah id rather just push a higher score

than try to prove a point thats irrelevant eitherway

[quasi zealot]

Didnt get the reference

[cobalt beacon]

if netease cared unstuck would already be gone

[devout void]

Irrelevant but funny I will love to post it every calam drama

[serene ingot]

Yeah removing unstuck would be awesome but they would need to rework cal ops then

[cobalt beacon]

🔼

its just gonna turn into runner heaven

[devout void]

Funny netease " use " unstuck to calculate the expert score sometime

[serene ingot]

Which would be even better

[cobalt beacon]

yup

[dusty spire]

I’ve already said they could add like a button in rooms or check points that pull the team towards the runner, instead of using unstuck lol

[cobalt beacon]

on last fulminator it was legit impossible to instant promote without unstucks/deathwarp

[serene ingot]

It should just be hard so it takes some effort to get a good score

[dusty spire]

You don’t need an menu button lol

[serene ingot]

That would be a bit better at least

[dusty spire]

It’s the same thing but just objectively in the game lol

And then it stops you from having them rely on respawn deaths too

As it can be instant teleportation

[serene ingot]

Yes but currently randoms dont know about the mechanic at all

Best casenario is no teleport

[devout void]

Every player that are in master and care already use it if needed come on

Dont need mechanics for specialist score

[serene ingot]

I found good randoms last cal ops and instapromoted on my first game i swear that never happens 🤣

[mental dagger]

Lets do some nexus runs no unstucks and deathwarps

Bring your team I'll bring mine

Let the true skill gap shine

[mental dagger]

Can you provide examples of that

[devout void]

Would be cool if the communauty make that kind of event

Thats how Destiny start
Scrims with their own rules to balance the game without private games, launching matchmaking at the same time

[balmy raft]

Hi @astral bear

[mental dagger]

Exclude artefact glitch last day for boards and for runs without that it was threats then us without t6 characters

[dusty spire]

That’s your answer?
lol

Please don’t look for 🍪

[devout void]

Tbh he have a fun idea

[dusty spire]

Sure sound fun when it’s implemented

[devout void]

Are you scared 👀👀👀👁️ all the discord will watch

[mental dagger]

Record povs and do the use it
See who gets a higher score
No need to wait

[devout void]

We dont need to wait it or Destiny 1 pvp scene will still be stuck

[dusty spire]

Please stop it’s not impressive lol

[devout void]

They didnt wait 10 years ago

[mental dagger]

Removal of unstuck will lead to the exact same thing but with less depth unless they will significantly change the meta because its virtually same optimizations with the only addition been more usage of getting pulled and a few spots where people will run
Mostly nexus only

[dusty spire]

Like I said let’s get unstuck removed and see how it goes

[devout void]

Rip..

[livid sable]

these people picking fruit wish like theyre ever gonna shoot it 😂

[mental dagger]

It will go the exact same way bar for bar

[devout void]

What he said yes

[dusty spire]

And we know knew characters ect will and can have an impact on the game

So stop trying to point score for cookies 🍪

Being the best in its current status is not a flex lol

But if you wanna flex on it each to their own? lol

[mental dagger]

I think the only difference in all of strikes might genuienly be foundry opening and nexus sparrow section💀
Everything else just adds delay on waiting for a pull instead of tping

[dusty spire]

Boring you gotta come with bigger flexes. I’ll be around until it grabs my attention

[devout void]

A lot of the player have the character T6 same build and use every mechanics

So i still dont understand your point 🤔 im not even trolling

He propose a fair match without these mechanics, but yea if you cant bring Helhest maybe an other team can

[dusty spire]

Ok…

[mental dagger]

And running in fulmi opening
Every other strat will be the same with a delay

With more room for error

[devout void]

Because hiding behind character idk

Still a flex if 30 teams compete across both server but he do the best score with same character build and tech than the other, no ?

Well nobody flex a mobile game but i try to follow your point