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[signal oak]

[true mauve]

Then it takes what a half sec pause or a laser sig pulse to ensure you stack both cooldowns on wpn mastery?

[abstract cedar]

getting snow sunday and i can’t wait!!!

[short locust]

Imagine having ever seen snow

[indigo solar]

Even w/ DR from artis and blazar?

[true mauve]

I will send you some

It feels like lava

[prisma nest]

send a bucket of snow through amazon

[short locust]

Yeah Florida doesn't get any

[tight talon]

Valiant specifically states that character needs to have movement and DR from their own abilities. She gets DR done but no movement.

Movement only comes from using Super

[simple plank]

I didn’t realize master I unchanged was top 200 team times

[short locust]

I did see a ton of shaved ice behind an ice rink once, does that count

[simple plank]

Honestly makes me feel better

[true mauve]

Dump a glass of ice chunks down your shirt, thats what its like everytime you get in your car

[indigo solar]

I'm confused, what's the second cooldown you're talking about? If it's about the t6 buff, the two mastery effects are separate instances, not buffs to the main damage, so they don't have to proc simultaneously

[short locust]

Have you ever seen me with a shirt on? Didn't think so

[indigo solar]

It says abilities but actually artifact effects can proc it

[tight talon]

Holy W

[true mauve]

Yeah snow would fix that lol

[calm vortex]

A lot of artifacts seem to work like that as long as the artifact effect is proc'd from an ability with some exceptions

[tight talon]

Yeah then there's prolly no issue running Bellicose on IV

[abstract cedar]

florida got some last year

[prisma nest]

corndog

[lime nova]

so am I crazy or does jade rabbits exotic perk just not work lol?

the body shot damage and ammo refund arent triggering at the range

[true mauve]

The stack on new barrier 100/50 shot is a separate cooldown from the main mastery 80/30

[lime nova]

instead it just randomly refunds ammo on headshots

[indigo solar]

Yeah but you don't need to proc them simultaneously bc they're separate instances so they won't buff each other

[short locust]

Am I the only one that struggles to remember artifact names because they have little to do with the effects most of the time? At least in Warframe when I see "Overextended" or "Transient Fortitude" I get the gist of what it does

[short locust]

Not in Miami we didn't

[indigo solar]

Also each new barrier resets the 1s cooldown I believe and the only cooldown on new barrier is 0.5s if you have t6, otherwise it's a one-time thing

[true mauve]

For your 2.8x vs 1.8x it does

[indigo solar]

No?

Explain

[abstract cedar]

@indigo solar carry me in raid sunday? 👉👈

[indigo solar]

It's 1 + 100% from new barrier + 80% from wm5 for scout
1 + 50% from new barrier + 30% from wm5 for LFR

Tho they may not proc simultaneously

[true mauve]

If I used my 80/30 shot already then drop barrier and throw a 100/50 then my dmg is 2x vs 1.5x
If I wait a half sec or whatever it is then shoot I get the 100/50 and 80/30 for 2.8x vs 1.8x

[indigo solar]

Both will proc on the first shot

[indigo solar]

If you make a new barrier I'm pretty sure the 1s cooldown on the 80/30 resets

[true mauve]

If I drop new barrier mid shooting through an old barrier I need to chill and pulse laser sig first for a half sec

[true mauve]

Cooldowns are stated to be explicitly separate

This is all from memory also its why I dont know exact cooldown to compare to barrier animation time

[tight talon]

Yeah cause half of the times you are reliant on last word and first words of artifacts cause both words are reused too much.

Like Valiant Veil, Bellicose Veil or Bellicose Blazer and Bellicose Planetismal

[short locust]

Yes! I'll get asked what I use on Jaren and I look at em like

[indigo solar]

3 WM procs so it does in fact reset the 1s timer

[tight talon]

What's that? Rampaging Pact? Or Rampaging Planetismal? Rampaging Precession?

Definitely don't forget Rampaging on Slot IV

[karmic chasm]

Wait that’s so cool lol

I’m also finding that his super does do legit damage. Wondering if he wants super boost instead of sig

[indigo solar]

Here's another vid where you can clearly see both new barriers proc the drifting energy and permeating light

[true mauve]

You had no 2nd instance of dmg on 1st shot thats weird

[indigo solar]

I had already shot through it so I didn't have drifting energy

That's why I re-recorded

And also bc I accidentally had a third shot in there so didn't want people thinking maybe it was because the third shot was after the 1s cooldown

[calm vortex]

Hm? you had 3 Permeating Light damage instances in that clip though, unless thats from something else

maybe the lightning

[true mauve]

Its weird because your first one is hidden behind the ability rscharge button if you look close you see it do 2200 but the 2 barrier shots do 2695 so why didnt 2nd shot drop? Both instances do same.

[indigo solar]

In the first one, in the second I had four. Also idk why but one of the master effects isn't doing the right damage

[drowsy cypress]

i guess it will be in summer 2026

[devout void]

@indigo solar ok its ready, 1 million

[indigo solar]

You wanna see smth really weird?

I don't have any artis or light links

[true mauve]

Thats what im saying, both instances are doing the same

[indigo solar]

I do have T1 which is why second is doing +15%

[true mauve]

Is it buffing or nerfing the instances?

[indigo solar]

But idk why permeating light and drifting energy do the same

Or why the third shot also procs permeating light

Bc it's <1s after the second shot

Unless it's a forced override for a new barrier to proc permeating but still based on global

[true mauve]

Kabr is broken to sell, will be bug fixed and nerfed when in standard

[calm vortex]

or each barrier has its own Permeating cooldown as a summoned entity instead of being on Kabr himself

[true mauve]

Are they both doing the 80 or the 100?

[true mauve]

One does 80 other does 100 should be 2 diff numbers not both do 2695

[drowsy cypress]

wwm its not really netease game, its everstone studio, netease just publisher and investor. Last netease game is DR and SOJ

[indigo solar]

60 (I only have wm4)

Drifting isn't doing the proper 100

[true mauve]

What talent are you?

[indigo solar]

No bc then firing through stacking barriers should proc more often but it doesn't

[karmic chasm]

Wait you were a MMM? And you didn’t know Danielle and LeeKim before?

[devout void]

i will keep that for now

[indigo solar]

Yeah seems like new barrier just forces permeating to proc too

[calm vortex]

I have no idea then cause your getting permeating light damage every time you shot through your barriers on top of 2 chain lightning instances from each barrier placed

[indigo solar]

3

[short locust]

If it flops, just sell it back to Bungie

[true mauve]

You should be able to fire through 2 and insta proc his relic trait 2 on 2sec blind

[indigo solar]

New barrier deals drifting energy and forces a permeating light instance, but doesn't reset the timer. Drifting energy only deals 60% fsr

[mossy holly]

Whats the jade rabbit event about?

[true mauve]

New barrier is doing 160/60 not 100/50 so LFR isnt getting a huge buff like Scouts. Maybe its a bug to sell the 2 new scout rifles we got. Now question is, is it even doing the chain lightning and blind?

[indigo solar]

I mean you can just very clearly see it only procs once per second after the forced procs

[drowsy cypress]

and games like MARVEL, DC, WB franchise cost a ton of money for license. Destiny license is already bouth by netease from bungie is part of 2018s deal (not limited), + some of directors in bungie are netease ones

[indigo solar]

Yes

Just damage number is off

[thin valve]

damn💀

[mossy holly]

How is it

[drowsy cypress]

so i dont think netease EOS DR, coz its no reason for company, cost abs no fee for license

[karmic chasm]

Agreed, it also has potential

[drowsy cypress]

look at games like Revelation, abs dead ones, still not eos and get content

[true mauve]

Its technically buffed from appearance if resetting and doing double wpn mastery dmg

[indigo solar]

It's not doing double mastery damage

Regular master is normal

[drowsy cypress]

DR feels like OBT now, not a release

[indigo solar]

New barrier mastery is dealing 60% instead of the 100% listed

[drowsy cypress]

like monetization tune

[dusk quiver]

pinnacle issue

[calm vortex]

Huh odd so I went to try it myself and the target I actually shot to proc chain lightning took reduced Chain Lightning damage with a white number but the target next to it took the damage it was supposed to as a precision damage number

[devout void]

i improve it a bit

[karmic chasm]

Cheaper pulls, way more cosmetics would fix this game

[thin valve]

why unrelenting ground?

[true mauve]

3 instances of dmg all 3 should be diff. Barrier shouldnt reset base mastery proc. You are getting 2x of the 80% procs here you said

[karmic chasm]

WHATT

[devout void]

less damage when i dont moove with calming but im not sure for 1 and 2, it depend what i will play

now i can compete with the helhest maybe

[indigo solar]

I'm getting 2x of the 80% (60 for me bc wm4) but I'm not getting the 100%. The diff in damage is bc of t1 buffing my damage 15% after hitting enemy with drifting

[karmic chasm]

How are you doing that on Attal. I need that build rn

[thin valve]

with lack of helhest, im trying to make my attal playable. Did exp 30 with no sweating but still

Attal cus rossi is garbage

ready for hate

[hard forge]

Who is doing bulwark today?

[indigo solar]

Piercing shinka bubble takes 5x damage, Arby does 6.25x damage vs piercing or solar shields, overall 31.25x damage

[calm vortex]

You also have to take out this season's pact bonuses as well since Kabr can proc the final line if you leveled them already

[hard forge]

Can you PLeASE tell me the tower loadout ur using for today. It’s arc shielded unstoppable and growing modifiers

[indigo solar]

Well yeah but that doesn't affect the % of the weapon masteries anymore

[indigo solar]

Still stone hoof, Muqam, anesthesia

[ripe pelican]

Does anyone have info on heroic mentor for adapt hand book. I am not sure if I need just 1 new light or two on the team and I am assuming bots don't count.

Asli is there a list of each strike , gb and Morgan wish I can get for reference I don't know if I am missing any?

[drowsy cypress]

just remember - ANY mobile game (mostly gatcha) on license of ANY big franchise (Like anime gatcha, WB, MARVEL, DC, any other $ franchice publisher not own) is short time deal and it will EOS. Game without fee like EVE, Destiny , made personally by netease is not eos anytime soon. Remember - not funded study release like scam Tarisland (Funded scammakers from Locojoy by Tencent )

[hard forge]

Still? Lol

[indigo solar]

Just need one

[hard forge]

No swift fulminatr in the mix?

[mossy holly]

I think the forging part seems easy for jabe rabbit.

[indigo solar]

Stone hoof beats all modifiers, anesthesia is the only tower that does damage, Muqam is best early game eco tower

[true mauve]

I get that the dmg jump on shot2 i was showing you how even before T1 kicks in the 2 wpn mastery instances are the same. Technically one of those 2 instances should be 100 so it is dealing less dmg. IF you use a shot through a barrier directly before at 80/30 then placing new barrier and tech reset the base mastery you are actually doing double the base mastery dmg instead of 100/50 you'd do 160/60

[hard forge]

Gotcha I thought they got nerfed tho is all

[gritty rune]

Dokkan Battle: observe

[calm vortex]

it doesnt directly affect WM but it does affect Kabr's weapon damage itself which does appear to affect his WM

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bro-homie-cyclops-gif-4428096331414899113

[thin valve]

Leave pulls, give us more skins

[tight talon]

Can't even use it smh

[devout void]

its just for fun it will never be helhest damage, i just put estella+wolf, calming, hawkeye weap ability solar and max arbalest, T6 attal, pop ult, heal, cancel, shoot, throw missile shoot (blind from seasonal boost)

[indigo solar]

Yeah I've been saying one 60% should be doing 100% for a while now. Problem is you shouldn't be doing 100/50 with new barrier, you should be doing 180/80

Bc barrier forces proc

This isn't a buff in any way

[true mauve]

You either barrier tech Kabr for a dmg bonus or dont for a loss in dmg

[indigo solar]

"Barrier tech" and it's just placing multiple barriers

[gritty rune]

The only thing that would save this game is a Among Us collab

[true mauve]

Nowhere does it say barrier forces a proc bro

[indigo solar]

You can even stack them ahead of time

[thin valve]

Do u have attal build that will make her somewhat playable with decent damage output?

[tight talon]

Lowkirknieunly gonna use this

[true mauve]

If you watch that multiple stack slowmo the 2nd shot only had 1 extra instance of dmg not 2

[drowsy cypress]

its game like lillys garden?🤣

[thin valve]

Waiting for helhest rerun💔

I cover every modifier perfectly but piercing arc and it annoys me

Kabyr is trash aswell

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/gipsy-danger-walk-in-the-rain-jaeger-pacific-rim-gif-16632271

[drowsy cypress]

devs must tune shields for party buff, not just kabr

[gritty rune]

Pacific Rim basically killed itself smh

[indigo solar]

Abundance/conversion/calming/hawkeye
Defense, element, ranged, healing
Weapon, arc, ability, sig
Del7 (frat + ensured yields)
Arbalest
Maru + Ning Fei light links

[tight talon]

.>

[gritty rune]

We need a stage where it’s just waves and waves of mobs and there’s an entire wall of machine guns constantly firing at you in a room

[indigo solar]

Hmm

I have no idea tbh

[thin valve]

I aint running symmetry

[indigo solar]

Barrage modifier in operation cordon :)

[thin valve]

thanks

[gritty rune]

But it spawns 20 of them?

[indigo solar]

30

Fair and balanced

[gritty rune]

35 for good measure

[tight talon]

You should. Reload speed doesn't suck on 3rd Column first perk

[indigo solar]

Every stage deeper you go it adds one more barrage

[gritty rune]

Until you run into a stage where the walls, ceilings and floors are entirely made of barrage barrels?

[indigo solar]

And enemies can see through invisibility

I hope the devs are watching rn

[true mauve]

Let me give you the 2 diff scenarios prob easiest way to explain my thinking.

Kabr shoots through old barrier does 80/30. Makes new barrier shoots through for 100/50. Totals up to 180/80. Same as if he just shoots through fresh barrier with no prior shots. 80/30+100/50=180/80 also like you said originally.

Whats happening is kabr can shoot through old barrier for 80/30 drop new barrier and reproc mastery to do 80/30+80/30. He totals out at 240/90. Every new barrier he drops isnt adding a separate weapon mastery stack at 100/50 its bugging it out and resetting/doubling it

[indigo solar]

But first scenario should be 80/30, then 180/80, for 260/110

Except bugged

[thin valve]

@indigo solar maru lighlink on attal? her orbs are spread?

[true mauve]

Nowhere does it say it resets base wpn mastery, it adds a new stack of wpn mastery that does diff dmg

[tight talon]

@indigo solar can I run Inverted Survival on Gwwyn

[indigo solar]

Maru link buffs all weapons, not just spread

[true mauve]

It states the cooldowns do not effect each other

[thin valve]

oh it says spread

[indigo solar]

It doesn't reset mastery anyways, cooldown is still based on first shot's 1s timer

[indigo solar]

Lesson 1 of Destiny rising: never trust the tooltip

[true mauve]

So barrier ani is 1second then? You said it was less

[indigo solar]

It is less. But
Barrier
Shoot (procs 2 masteries)
Barrier
Shoot (procs 2 masteries)
Shoot (procs 1 mastery)

Third shot procs despite no third barrier and significantly less than 1s between second and third shot

But does have >1s between first and third

[karmic chasm]

Does solar expanse feel overtuned for anyone else?

[karmic chasm]

We only got one cosmetic that anyone cares about

[true mauve]

Why is there an extra mastery in there then? Should be 4 not 5. 2nd shot should only have 1 is what I am saying

[dusk hemlock]

thank gosh i thought i just sucked lmao

[short locust]

I havnt tried it yet, but I prefer that over last week's arc one 💀

[indigo solar]

Every new barrier is supposed to have a separate cooldown I think so it's intended that a new barrier re-procs mastery. What's not intended is that the timer is still tied to the first barrier

[dusk hemlock]

i completed arc with kabr and proceeded to get my stuff pushed in running solar

[karmic chasm]

Dawg 21-30 arc was a literally breeze, meanwhile is stepped in solar TWENTY TWO and was getting obliterated. Gonna do 40 after both 30s are done

[indigo solar]

Mastery is intended to reset with new barrier but they only hardcoded the first shot and don't change the timer

[karmic chasm]

I can imagine what 40
Solar is gonna feel like

[dusk hemlock]

i 40d arc but only got to 34 or something on solar im so good on that

[karmic chasm]

I just feel like Jaren is taking extra damage

[dusk hemlock]

im getting shmelted

[simple plank]

One Jareillion damage (to him)

Whip out the jolders everyone

[true mauve]

How do you know its intended if the tooltip doesnt say it

[karmic chasm]

I’m a little worried that Rossi is gonna have an even worse time on Expanse this week bc of the boss

[pulsar coral]

I got 11:30 on Jaren with Solar. Level 39 got me twice lol

[pulsar coral]

Ah yea, rank 69 lol

[true mauve]

You assume.

[pulsar coral]

Oh look, Helhest

[bitter estuary]

oops wrong chat

[dusk hemlock]

i had really no issue with kabr

[indigo solar]

Yeah this is just saying "if you cast a new barrier you don't have to wait 1s before getting the 'new barrier' boost"

[true mauve]

He has to kill shinkas this week 💀

[indigo solar]

Drifting energy is the new barrier one

Permeating light is the 1s one

[bitter estuary]

wait lemme test this out+ jade rabbit

[karmic chasm]

Oh. Yea I’m skipping that thanks. I’ll wait for arc rapid

[indigo solar]

P -> Q ≠ Q-> P

[true mauve]

But why would you have to wait for new barrier boost if its intended to reset permeating light cooldown also?

[indigo solar]

You don't. They're making it clear that you don't

[true mauve]

Bruhh 🤣 its obvi bugged doing wrong dmg except the cooldown reset could also be a bug

[bitter estuary]

wait

[indigo solar]

In fact by the wording you could make the case they're implying permeating light is affected by drifting energy, since it doesn't say they're mutually explicit

It only says drifting isn't affected by permeating, not that permeating isn't affected by drifting

[true mauve]

One is a stack on the barrier itself, the other is your weapon mastery proc when a shot passes through. T6 alludes again by saying they get a 2nd stack that does have a .5 sec cooldown between uses

[bitter estuary]

i think im testing it wrong

[thin valve]

8 exotics in 22 chests, generational run.

[indigo solar]

Why

[bitter estuary]

oh nvm i saw the dps increase i didn't see the top left

[indigo solar]

Just need to account for the 5x orb damage, 3.2x shinka damage, Kabr barrier damage, chain lightning damage, talent damage if you have any

And artifacts

And light links

Anyways I hate that they made precision damage random

[bitter estuary]

i have him at t2 so i think it should be fine

[indigo solar]

Seems to be from 3 values, haven't actually done the division to see what the three multis are

[hearty reef]

Any recommendations for Light-Linked Companions for Jaren and Ning?

[indigo solar]

+15% damage to enemy after hitting them with drifting energy

[true mauve]

They are only connected because the weapon mastery is what gives the barrier its stack. It should be 1 instance of dmg at 100/50 but its doing 80/30 like the permeating light. Possible its gaining a stack of permeating light and because it reset permeating on barrier stack it hugs and resets permeating lights cooldown. If permeating lights barrier stack isnt effected by permeating lights cooldown...

[indigo solar]

Maru/Wolf and Maru/Kabr respectively

[bitter estuary]

i see thanks, i forgot to do it, lemme test it again with yellow ads

[indigo solar]

What exactly are you testing for

[hearty reef]

Don't have Maru, but curious as to why Spread benefits would even be useful?

[bitter estuary]

it's ad clear on aoe

[indigo solar]

Oh 😭

Use literally any gun besides Jade rabbit

Random damage = pain for testing

[bitter estuary]

symmetry then

lemme test that out lol

[indigo solar]

Tooltip is lying, it boosts all weapons not just spread

[hearty reef]

Ahh, that would make sense. Too bad shes the only character I never pulled for XD

[devout void]

they really go crazy with the one shot in expanse, my build dont help

[true mauve]

Need T6 to test proper, the 2nd shot through same barrier would tell all. If it procs 1 or 2 instances.

2nd shot may also do the proper 100/50

[indigo solar]

Man I wish I had t6 so I could actually buy this sparrow

T3 and still one away

[true mauve]

The .5s and 1s cooldown gives us a small window to be sure in which it is behaving as intended or not. If 2nd shot only does the 1 instance of dmg id say the reset is intended and only dmg is bugged.

[bitter estuary]

lowk amazing wow

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/maniwonders-cascadewallet-rfid-rfi-dwallet-wallet-gif-13938739

[hard forge]

Bulwark ops is just way too hard now

[indigo solar]

Symmetry would lowkey go so hard with the old venom rapid fire in realm of the IX

[bold thunder]

Idk I prefer actually having to work a bit for wave 15

I feel like the towers could use a balance pass though to make for a few more viable strategies though

[indigo solar]

Me too but I also prefer more than two towers being viable

[bold thunder]

I'd also like for there to be a reason to go past wave 15 other than for the fun of it

[gritty rune]

I just don’t think bulwark has interesting or good enough loot tbh

[bold thunder]

15 takes some strategy/effort to get to, but once you know how it's a little too easy imo, I spend like 40% of the run afk because by wave 10 or so I already have a strong enough build to get to ~18

[true mauve]

Agreed junk mode

[bold thunder]

agreed, though I don't mind just having another arcade gamemode - shadowshaper doesn't really have any rewards and I still enjoyed that

[true mauve]

Shadowshaper is peak

[thin valve]

Helhest calam again🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[gritty rune]

Cos shadowshaper is PvP. Each match is a little different and that keeps things fresh

[bold thunder]

that's fair

[thin valve]

Nothing changed, solar impact, arc piercing.

[gritty rune]

For PvE, it eventually mostly comes down 50% to how fun the loot is

[true mauve]

Will be HH calam until prob after 1st anni... she has arby now and new mythic void/solar bows coming soon

[gritty rune]

SS has been horrible since Jaren tho

[bold thunder]

if we had a daily wave leaderboard or something it would make things more engaging imo

[karmic chasm]

I have this, praying I pull double

[gritty rune]

Every match is just the person who RNGs better wins

[true mauve]

Its the equivalent of putting all bots in SG

[gritty rune]

Used to play daily, I barely play SS now

[true mauve]

Same for SG, they killin what we love

[gritty rune]

Can’t believe I miss the old ikora meta

It was stale as hell too but at least there was some variation in decks and strategy

[true mauve]

I got 1 guaranteed in 20 pulls, then on standard banner I get the 180 pickme box in 22 pulls. I will T6 him when he hits standard and start saving Lumia/Boats after T5

[prisma nest]

i love the movie Clue so much

[true mauve]

Crazy mystery movie

[gritty rune]

I wonder if they’ll start introducing character bans

[karmic chasm]

I’m slightly further off from that but same idea basically. That’s my plan.

[prisma nest]

"He threatened to kill her in public."
"Why would he want to kill her in public?"
"I think he meant he threatened - in public - to kill her."

[true mauve]

Nah, those trial characters in crota were a test. Here soon in Cal Ops it will be "fair play" in the idea of you pick from 3 pre-built rotating lightbearers that cycle not your own

[prisma nest]

i literally read that as lightsabers

[karmic chasm]

You think so?

[true mauve]

I hope you get the double so you can get a Ning Tan or Jolder 🙏 you deserve it bro fr you earned a T6

[prisma nest]

rotating darth maul lightsabers

(aka inquisitor lightsabers)

[true mauve]

Bro... share your stuff...

Dont be stingy

[karmic chasm]

Thanks man, and yea I kinda wanted to choose Ning if I pull a double Kabr. Ning is secretly one of my favs so I’d like him T6 someday

[prisma nest]

no its my lightsaber

if youre not with me, then youre against me

[true mauve]

Ning is pretty good

[jagged osprey]

Man, every day I wake up hoping they re-run Helhest banner

[prisma nest]

you underestimate my power

[neat valley]

helhest banner was the best banner in the game, every tier you got her they gave you like 50 artifact essence and clusters and more

[karmic chasm]

He’s just smooth dude. He feels effortless to use. Even more than Jaren

[jagged osprey]

I just want to T6 her. I got 22000+ leaves

[prisma nest]

maybe for you lol

I already main Hunter on D2 so it's like

it's just seamless for me

[neat valley]

the only way i can see her coming back is if they do a banner with all the past characters, but even then it wouldbe hard to get her

[prisma nest]

I'm going to be real I don't even use SMGs in destiny 2

[thin valve]

2hh + jaren again

[scenic wigeon]

Just got the jade rabbit... wth is that firerate 😭

[indigo solar]

I mean this just depends on if you play the mode for the loot for the broader game or if you play it for the mode itself. I find the mode enjoyable so I don't mind that the rewards are mostly exclusive to the mode

[prisma nest]

150 rpm scaling up to 180

[scenic wigeon]

Slowwwww

[jagged osprey]

Huh, I just noticed Another calamity returned, but no new loot added?

[true mauve]

Bruh im Revan to your Malak,
Your sh is weak it ain phallic,
Come at me and i'll get savage
🫳 🎙️

[prisma nest]

do you realize that Jade rabbit has always been 150 RPM

[devout void]

30%" exotiic motic pinnacle

[prisma nest]

it's been that way since destiny 1

[scenic wigeon]

I didn't know, besides... aren't most scout rifles in d2 like 270rpm

[simple plank]

Darth Kevin

[karmic chasm]

Uhh he’s essentially the EXACT build I used on D2 😭
Arc strider with arc smg plus constant dashes and melee ability

[prisma nest]

what???

scout rifles don't even go up to 270

[true mauve]

Darth Keanu fr

[prisma nest]

first of all they go up to 260 max, and that's rapid fire

most scouts I would say are probably 180

[scenic wigeon]

Idk... ill stick with my "full auto" pulse rifle

[prisma nest]

bro why did I just notice that

[indigo solar]

I mean in rising we've got a 312 rpm scout and a 936 rpm scout

[pulsar coral]

Same here. I only have him T1.

[prisma nest]

mine are all called Oversoul Decree

[pulsar coral]

Everyone complained about this, so they took it out lol

[karmic chasm]

I have T2. Been unlucky pulling him ig lol

[short locust]

I'm skipping Kabr

I'll just throw the 60 into standard and hope for crystals to turn into LE pulls

If I get standard copies along the way, sweet

[karmic chasm]

He so fun tho bro

[indigo solar]

60 in kabr's also give crystals but you have a different selection of 4*

[indigo solar]

imo I'd get one copy of kabr and dump the rest in common

he's not a weak char by any means

and we've got an infinite difficulty defense mode coming soon

[thin valve]

best thing u can do as kabr

[karmic chasm]

Lore accurate

[devout void]

even with the best damage so hard, 39 and 40 are a big dps check she lack heavy and damage

[indigo solar]

have you tried getting double ammo from bricks

there's a way to do it, it's happened before but I'm not sure how to make it consistent yet

[short locust]

Tbh, the Artifact system is so God awful, I don't look forward to slot machine hell for him, so even getting him I'm w/e on atm. I've only really built 2 characters, being Ning and Jaren, the rest are slapped together

[devout void]

oh not really, also bad rng of gift but yea for 2 min of the boss i was shooting with the trash hand cannon

[indigo solar]

which boss is it this cycle?

[devout void]

cabal, and lvl 39 the hydra that have "3 phase", also a big dps for attal

[visual wharf]

i cant believe they made jade rabbit awful :(

[cobalt beacon]

Quit crying

[prisma nest]

bro I can already tell Jade rabbit is fire on here I don't know what people are talking about

[visual wharf]

eat a brick

[cobalt beacon]

Run face first into a brick wall

[indigo solar]

but random number go brrr

but yeah a gun designed around missing is never going to be the best option, especially in a game with insane aim assist

[karmic chasm]

Wasn’t it kinda always awful other than for PvP

[visual wharf]

yeah but i was hoping they’d fix it

[short locust]

Jade has always been a PvP weapon, with no use in PvE so this was precisely what I expected

Should've been damn near anything else

[balmy raft]

I can’t believe they made the gun that’s always been garbage garbage

[devout void]

They make last word in pve still impressive

[grave ridge]

So, does this another calamity only purpose now for higher chances for certain drops?

[visual wharf]

but its such a cool looking gun they could’ve make it decent at least they didnt even try

[balmy raft]

They’re giving it away for free they can’t make it good!

[lime nova]

They really threw poor Jade Rabbit in the deep end having to compete in Polaris Lance's role...

I almost feel bad

[lime nova]

Tbh it's not terrible it's just that P Lance makes it look like a toy

[visual wharf]

they shouldve made it so you have to spend money to finish the event then they couldve

[balmy raft]

Who knows a good free gun or character could make them go bankrupt!!!!

[lime nova]

I mean Kabr is good and most of the exotics are as well

[indigo solar]

idk why yall think they're trying to milk the players a ton

[errant narwhal]

true everything should cost $20 at least

i dont want brokies having stuff i have

[lime nova]

Deadass, monetization wise this gacha is very on the low end.

Most of it is in eververse and for impatience

The battle pass being 5 bucks is such a steal

[short locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276038314847113308/1298257904067018752/RDT_20241022_08020064096982483720083.gif

[indigo solar]

this game is already very 2p friendly, they're making it more friendly bc they saw not enough players are getting the limited char, and they've made a ton of decisions to shoot themselves in the foot monetization-wise anyways

plus arby is literally the second good battle pass weapon

[cobalt beacon]

???

[errant narwhal]

drevgar and tlw are good tho

[lime nova]

i wouldn't go that far I like Last Word and the uhhh... the erm... what's the damn pulse called

[balmy raft]

@indigo solar do you have a job or do you just chat in this server all day like I’m serious

[errant narwhal]

furies is meh

[pulsar coral]

I’m thinking Crota skins will come tomorrow/ this weekend or Monday

[indigo solar]

tlw is just okay

[lime nova]

Furries are indeed meh but it's fun

[indigo solar]

decent on jaren for building stacks but pretty bad on every other char

dvergar is the only other bp weapon that's been good

[errant narwhal]

Worth building is the best way I’d put it, definitely not as good as arby

[calm vortex]

Dvergar and TLW are pretty good for the characters they go on but they dont even come close to Arby in terms of performance and utility

[errant narwhal]

furies and tg we dont talk about

[indigo solar]

the trick is to chat during your job

[errant narwhal]

literally me rn

[short locust]

Me Af

[lime nova]

Tbh in Dvergars case I'm still unsure if it's amazing or if we just lack things to compare it with

When there's only a whopping ONE breech loader

[errant narwhal]

drevgar damage is on par with heavy damage

[short locust]

When Heavy damage has as wide a spectrum as it does, wtf is that supposed to mean

[balmy raft]

You have a point

[errant narwhal]

Heavy gl?

[pulsar coral]

I think the mythic character skins should come with a new vfx effect. Most premium skins comes with that upgrade in other games

[lime nova]

Whole Lotta this

Narrow the range dawg. Heavie damage is all over the place

[errant narwhal]

The only heavy on maru, and rockets ig

[indigo solar]

furies isn't meta
trinity isn't meta
dvergar is meta on maru
tlw isn't even meta on jaren (octant)
arby is meta on hh/attal/maybe kabr?

[short locust]

"My car is as fast as a super car because we share the same laws on the highway"

[errant narwhal]

what does that even mean 💀

[lime nova]

But yeah I literally cannot complain about this games monetization.

All the important stuff is very easy to get for free and no amount of character copies will buy you through endgame content. You need some brain.

If they wanna charge for cosmetics idc I'm more inclined to spend money on a game that doesn't feel like it needs me to Pay my way through

[short locust]

I'm being purposely facetious for a meme

[errant narwhal]

i can, stuff should cost more money

[lime nova]

Maybe the ONE complaint is getting dupe BP guns can be a bit of an annoyance

But it's a 5 dollar battle pass so-

[cobalt beacon]

Tlw is defo meta on jaren not octant

[karmic chasm]

I love that word

[calm vortex]

Also doesnt the last Catalyst on Arby boost its team damage by applying a debuff to the enemy? so either way you'd probably want at least one on your team, especially in content that scales really high.

[karmic chasm]

Very likely yea

[indigo solar]

Yes f2ps get shafted every time they release a good BP weapon

[short locust]

I wish cosmetics weren't gag inducing so whales could fund the game and we get more as low spenders

[visual wharf]

nah this games monetization problem is they’re trying to monetize everything and doing none if it well

[vast arch]

T5+ Helhest would like a word

[indigo solar]

But other than that they're pretty well off

[lime nova]

I've seen T5 helhests that still suck at the game so-

[karmic chasm]

How do you feel currently? Have you found Kabr worth it at the first couple tiers?

[lime nova]

I mean for a game that's "trying to monetize everything" I've barely interacted with it

[indigo solar]

T5 HH is crazy but you don't actually need T5 for anything

[short locust]

Dunno how's that's relevant tbh

[lime nova]

It's relevant because it was the entire original point?!

[vast arch]

Yes but if you don't have T5 as a good player you can be held back

[visual wharf]

exactly so how are they gonna make money

[indigo solar]

Definitely fun, not meta bc defense chars suck but he is impossible to kill

[vast arch]

double salvo stacks?

[indigo solar]

His barriers also have a ridiculous amount of hp

[short locust]

People as a whole are awful at video games, everyone knows this

[indigo solar]

Yes, it's great but T0 HH can do everything too

There's no content where a T5 HH is mandatory

[obtuse turret]

Anyone up for a lvl 15 run of 3 player bulwark?

[karmic chasm]

They legit feel like Rossi’s super lmfao

[indigo solar]

Except overseer ranking

[lime nova]

From people who actually want to spend.

Funny thing is you tend to get more money when players don't feel forced to spend money.

[indigo solar]

But that's the 1% of the 1%

[indigo solar]

More and better cosmetics

Stuff like final prayer

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-queendom-puzzle-yeoreum-wjsn-cosmic-girls-gif-5335020184196106040

[indigo solar]

Cosmetics are the answer

[karmic chasm]

This this and this

[short locust]

This. I just wish I could feel like I'm not being pushed to spend all the time, and I'd be more inclined to spend as a tip to support the game

[visual wharf]

ik thats what im saying this games current monetization strategy is bad cause the cosmetics all suck and they’re super infrequent

[lime nova]

When players don't feel like they're being nickle and dimed at every corner, they actually are fine spending more of their own free will for things like cosmetics.

Bro I whaled out on the estella skin because I don't feel a need to buy things in this game.

As a long time gacha nerd this games generosity is kinda insane-
Every exotic weapon in this game if this was any other gacha would be locked behind its own separate gacha system

[short locust]

Cosmetic Gacha is dope. $700 for a new LE character at T6? Less so

[grave harbor]

bro like what turrets are good for bulwark this week to get level 15 solo

[karmic chasm]

Yea like I really thought the crow skins were good, so I bought them and was happy to support the game.

I was less happy spending money on talents for Rossi, even though I did.

[indigo solar]

Yeah we all know the monetization strategy sucks rn, the revenue reports show that. It's not bc they're trying to monetize everything tho, it's bc they aren't trying to monetize anything. There's talents that they don't make it necessary to get, a cheap battle pass, and like zero cosmetics, and the ones they do release are cheap + don't look great

[visual wharf]

im pretty sure even if you go to full pity on every copy a t6 is only like $500 usd

[short locust]

That skin is god awful

[bitter estuary]

lmao

[indigo solar]

Muqam + stone hoof + anesthesia, same as always

[lime nova]

Unironically Netease needs to just make more cosmetics for the store lol.

People will buy them, if they existed

[short locust]

Idk how much 76k Lumia worth of pulls is tbf

[lime nova]

funny thing is I think this games still made more money than Renegade and edge of fate sales

[grave harbor]

how about monitizing life approvement yknow hitting the gym going out and yadda yadda less expense

[visual wharf]

exactly everything is monetized, talents that suck? monetized, bad skins? monetized, black market? monetized literally every aspect of the game is monetized but there’s no reason to interact with most of it

[errant narwhal]

422 pulls

[calm vortex]

their primary monetization aside from cosmetics is enticing spenders with package deals but its not like theres a ton to actually use them on and high value stuff just ends up as a loss

[short locust]

Nah like $ wise

[obtuse turret]

The way i did it, start with 4 muqam towers in the front row dont upgrade them. round 3 add 1 tower for modifiers on each side behind your muquams. fill in everything else with anesthesia fully upgrade one at a time. when you have all spaces filled in with those start replacing muqams with anesthesia and lastly replace the modifiers with 2 hoofs. also grab range, rate of fire, solar, anesthesia 2 beam buff ( at wave 6 re roll till you get it, then effect or scorch damage

[lime nova]

The shiny deals they flash don't work on me

Years of honing my discipline via far more predatory gachas

[grave harbor]

sadly i dont have anesthesia nor stone hoof like im actually upset that my rng wants me to stress D:

[indigo solar]

Full pity on every copy (which is like a 0.0001% chance) is 9,720 Lumia/silver, so even if you don't interact with the game at all, and just claim the 200 Lumia from the weekly maintenance the week an act drops, it only costs 750 BRL, which is ~140 USD

[obtuse turret]

dam thats actually tragic rng

[indigo solar]

Wait nvm I did math wrong lmao

10800 for hard pity of one

(9720 after accounting for crystals)

[lime nova]

Yeah that's another big factor

Character copies in this game cost like half what they normally would in other games-

[short locust]

I got almost all of my Jaren copies in the 50-58 range

Maybe one in the 40s

[karmic chasm]

Is Ning 18

[bitter estuary]

i think this is my 10th copy of sweet business

to the bin it goes

[visual wharf]

i got 3 kabrs from the free pulls 😭

[short locust]

Legit cooked all my Lumia, and I've saved since launch, skipping everyone in the LE banners, and only getting Ning to T6

[errant narwhal]

about tree fiddy

[lime nova]

yeah you dont wanna hear how many pulls it cost me to get a T2 character in Star Rail-

[errant narwhal]

jk depends if you have maxed blessing and journey bundles tho

[indigo solar]

68,040 total, so 11 BRL$500 packs, so USD$1024 if you somehow manage to go to hard pity every time and never spend any Lumia at all

[karmic chasm]

Same I think haha. Was pretty happy tho bc I like him. He’s mid but eh

[bold thunder]

This strategy should work fine on most/all days (though today you'll leak a couple on wave 2 because shielded) #videos-and-streams message

[visual wharf]

i hate him i hate scouts and i hate RC at least arby is good

[indigo solar]

Options to spend money ≠ monetized

[thorny frost]

It’s hoyoverse…I never expect them to be cheap XD.

[karmic chasm]

Yea but now you have to two fastest characters t6

[errant narwhal]

scouts are peak wth

[karmic chasm]

You hate a lot of things my bro

[lime nova]

tbh theyre the industry standard sadly

[visual wharf]

true

[lime nova]

wuthering is not better

[short locust]

I'd much prefer if LE pulls let you get the character early, and then later you could pull them for regular pulls. Sort of like a modified Kabr event. You want him now, pay a premium. Monetize cosmetics please

[obtuse turret]

Anyone up for a lvl 15 run of 3 player bulwark?

[bold thunder]

Give me a minute and I'll join

[karmic chasm]

And also scouts are leagues better than the bow at least 😭

[obtuse turret]

ok dm me

[lime nova]

Let's wait and see the crotum cosmetics

Maybe they lock in

[bitter estuary]

hoyoverse ppl are just locals, and they're the worse kind ngl 🥀

[thorny frost]

It has been the worst that I have played (Genshin not Star rail tho) so I haven’t been able to compare really. All others that use their method has had made it slightly cheaper. If this is the average this game is definitely cheap XD.

[karmic chasm]

CROTUM 😭

[bitter estuary]

balls cosmetics

[lime nova]

yerrp CROTUM

[bitter estuary]

with the s

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-please-help-gif-23923351

[lime nova]

yeah I've played Genshin, Star Rail, Wuthering, PGR, etc

PGR has the closest system to D-Rising and its still more expensive per character copy however PGR gives you a way to unlock copies of a character after you've obtaind them, granted the grind is a SLOG

gachas are expensive, so D rising for me is a fresh breath of air

still wish the cosmetics were better and more common so they could sustain themselves

[bitter estuary]

there's limbus company but yeah true

[lime nova]

couldnt get in to limbus, as attractive as faust is-

what you reactin like that for, Faust is BAD as hell

[thorny frost]

So many people praised the roll over pity on previous games I played that they praised it even tho rates were .6% compared to like 4%

[bitter estuary]

ngl all the characters are hot but the gameplay ain't it

[lime nova]

the 50/50 system is so awful

[bold thunder]

I think the difficulty with DR is that it was designed to grab the destiny fan base, most of whom are very unused to gachas, and were turned off from it fairly quickly when they realized you're expected to spend $1k+/year on them to be competitive

[finite gazelle]

Got my kabr up to 73.5k light and he's t1 now

[bold thunder]

That's a very bizarre concept outside of the niche community that frequents this genre

[finite gazelle]

I think I'm gonna start stockpiling leaves for next banner I've gotten what I want out of this one

[bitter estuary]

i played zzz, used anomaly team, quit, and suddenly they're barely useable anymore, its quite literally the same thing as most other gachas but hoyo quite literally punishes the player

but eh that's just me

[lime nova]

unrelated but I just took a big ol bite out of a slightly undercooked cinnamon roll... I think I might end up being stuck on the toilet later

[thorny frost]

Agreed >.> although if pity was also stupidly high not having a 50/50 would also be bad. The 100% pity combined with max of 60 pulls is what makes it good imo.

[bitter estuary]

then put it in the microwave

[lime nova]

HSR/Genshin having a 90 pull hard cap AND a 50/50 system

[lime nova]

i stuck it in the airfryer < -<

[bitter estuary]

atleast you're not pairing it with a latte that you forgot to check the date of the milk with (it happened to me)

[lime nova]

I did indeed pair it with a latte though, just not one that's bad

[bitter estuary]

i still drank it 💀

[finite gazelle]

Does anyone know how tf you get jade rabbit's 3rd catalyst cause like

Where are the 2 extra copies coming from

[lime nova]

anyone wanna place bets on that 180 RPM doing anything to fix this guns rather meh DPS? (by exotic standards)

legit the only thing keeping jade rabbit in the "its usable" pile is that its void damage XD

[thorny frost]

I don’t think it will take that much in reality to stay relevant (maybe not top meta tho). Weapons seem to have such a big impact on viability that once you get a few good units you probably will need to invest less and less to stay viable.

[calm vortex]

Maybe if 180 RPM mode also set its damage buff to its highest value instead of being random but even then you probably still wont use it on any character over other choices

[bitter estuary]

polaris lance technically has infinite ammo, jade rabbit doesn't have that since every 3rd shot refunds 2 ammo

it's still slower than the symmetry which makes it worse for ad clear, and even against TL/lassi i'd rather use them than the jade rabbit, i think it's better than the fang of ir yut but not by a long shot

[finite gazelle]

I love symmetry

[bold thunder]

I think most of the people who were turned off by the genre are gone by this point, I meant more from the game's release

[lime nova]

tbh the nature of how combat works in Destiny Rising and the combat effectively means that

lemme grab a megaphone so that this cant be mistaken
COMPARED TO OTHER GACHAS your characters abilities dont matter as much as they do in other games

especially since weapons arent also tied to limited banner gachas

[karmic chasm]

He’s super fun imo

[finite gazelle]

Yeah he's a great time

Super easy to use too, just pop down a couple barricades and shoot

[mossy holly]

Is it best not to buy ranks for battle pass

[finite gazelle]

You can really easily max the battle pass within the duration

[thorny frost]

Fair enough, there was less knowledge on how everything would evolve at launch.

[mossy holly]

Truueeeee

[lime nova]

in a game like Wuthering, Star Rail, Genshin, PGR not only are your weapons also limited banner gacha rewards (which sucks), but the weapon only serves to provide a buff to the characters kit so the kit matters way more in those games than in D-Rising

[mossy holly]

Ill save my lumia leaves for the next draw

[rich veldt]

Hate to break up the wonderful conversations we're having, but did anyone else just not know kabr^2's shield walls just snapped together at certain angles?

[thorny frost]

I have been saying something similar for a while now too. Not having a second Gacha is amazing, almost every Gacha I have played had had weapons or something tied behind a Gacha.

I might not be the most skilled but learning stages will make it possible to do any content with minimal investment.

[bitter estuary]

a lot of the stuff in DR is timegated, but the things that are hard to get is exotic upgrades, otherwise the game gives a GENEROUS amount of mats

refactor mats and exotic infusion cores are hard to get, but i think you can build mythic weapons just fine (after crota's end giving you a chance to get mythic/exotic mods without pinnacle)

[calm vortex]

Oh right we were talking about Kabr2's WM damage not being correct earlier but it appears to just be a poorly worded description like usual

[lime nova]

that ghost shell refuses to drop ; w ;

[karmic chasm]

Likely said to just play him like you’re playing Fortnite Build Mode, and ever since then, I find him so easy lol. Also his barriers tank full lasers from that past expanse 40 boss like what

[lime nova]

I've beaten crota like a drum set and it refuses to spawn

[thorny frost]

I think it was known on his launch. But it is nice it attaches easier. Haven’t personally tested to make sure there isn’t some pixel glitches shots can get through tho :/.

[finite gazelle]

I've never actually gotten to expanse 40 despite having basically maxed jaren and kabr lol

(aside from talent tree since I don't spend)

[lime nova]

oh yeah expanse reset didnt it?

< . <
Should prolly go do that-

[finite gazelle]

But yeah kabr's barriers are insanely tanky

[karmic chasm]

Vrody 😭

Last expanse for Jaren was easier than this one… it’s hell.

[lime nova]

can I tan 2 my way through it? I'm too lazy to build Kabr

[finite gazelle]

I might honestly just have a skill issue when it comes to 31-40

[thorny frost]

What was considered wrong with it before? I missed that convo

[karmic chasm]

And also @finite gazelle I only have T1 Jaren. I have T4 Kabr but that’s because I was spending money to T6 Rossi.

[calm vortex]

I would hope so, all of Kabr's damage output is tied to those barriers so they better not die in 2 seconds

[bitter estuary]

true just use DR artefacts with crappy substats and you'd still pass it

[karmic chasm]

Oh me too, but I’m also on mobile so my movement is bricked

[finite gazelle]

I have t1 tan and kabr and t2 ning and that's about it for my 5* charas

[finite gazelle]

Same here

[karmic chasm]

Hey what’s your artifact setup on Kabr?

[calm vortex]

Basically it was that Drifting Energy wasnt dealing correct damage and was doing the same damage as Permeating light despite being a 100% Mod but that appears to be correct, it does 100% of WM Damage, not 100% of Weapon Damage in a weird way.

[true mauve]

Skibidi fortnite?

[oblique lark]

[finite gazelle]

Attributes could use a little bit of work but I'm pretty satisfied with what I have

I'm missing signature and arc boost on my damage artifacts and I just have not been able to get them in the right slots

[bitter estuary]

6767 balls more like creative destruction bc netease did make a fortnite clone

[true mauve]

How so? It doesnt do 100/50 it does 80/30 💀

[calm vortex]

It doing 80/30 is correct cause the source of its damage also does 80/30 weapon damage cause its not based on your weapon, its based on Permeating Light's added damage

[thorny frost]

O dang yea I see it now and read it wrong too and just hadn’t looked into it… they really tried to weaken heavy weapons on him too XD

[karmic chasm]

I was using Rampaging too for a while. I’m now using calming token and it’s killing me bc I keep forgetting to not move

[finite gazelle]

Hmm

Yeah calming seems quite good

Might put that on my chaos wishlist

[hushed crown]

[thorny frost]

Would be 80/15 tho due to the 50% part on the drifting energy.

[true mauve]

Thats a backwards way of saying when you cast a barrier you do double dmg. It makes a diff if you have T6 but does that mean T6 procs it twice also like a fresh barrier? You'd need an instance of dmg from wpn mastery to use 2nd stack correct? The cooldowns are diff is why I ask .5s and 1s

[lime nova]

smh who needs to build Kabr when Tan exists

[rich veldt]

Can confirm, there's a tiny gap in between the walls.

[true mauve]

They really didnt want bro using LFR

[rich veldt]

Not sure if you can get shot through said gap but it's definitely there

[calm vortex]

Its just a weird and easy to misinterpret description

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-asian-nina-gif-19368112

[karmic chasm]

Just overlap them tbh

[bitter estuary]

clearly attal is better 🙄

[true mauve]

How does second stack work? Is it also double dmg?

[thorny frost]

I don’t mind it as I do think it fits a sustain/defense unit to not favor heavy. Just feels so backwards compared to every other unit (besides like Estela who just says to hell with weapons lol).

[calm vortex]

Its not double damage its just now your barriers can proc it twice with a 0.5s ICD instead of only once per barrier spawn

[thorny frost]

I don’t have T6 but assuming now with the info it just will do an extra instance of the 80/15 and won’t trigger with the first part of his mastery.

[karmic chasm]

You guys read a lot.

I throw ability and trust in my lord and savior Bellicose Plantismal

[true mauve]

6 times in 1 second 💀 1 pre barrier 2 from barrier 2 from barrier 1 from wpn mastery

Separate cooldowns or does it reset the cooldown on permeating light back to 1 whole sec after the barrier shot?

[true mauve]

Thats what I wonder, but he says its doing 100/50% of that instance of dmg so it needs permeating light to deal dmg before it can otherwise its 100/50% of 0

[calm vortex]

I have no clue but going by stuff from earlier each barrier can proc permeating light independent but after that its a global 1s ICD

Kabr is definitely strange

[true mauve]

We need someone with T6

Need to know how to use stacks

[thorny frost]

It could just be missing words in the description, ironic with how long the description is, if they just add from permeating light after the added damage part it could work right. But yea need someone with a T6 to verify

Does any of the character trials give T6 units or just all T0? I will need to look into that when I have time to jump in game

[karmic chasm]

Can someone explain in simple caveman words what we have been talking about for the last two hours? I’ve been at work

[calm vortex]

Dont worry about it, just DRising having weird descriptions like usual

[dusty spire]

Been absolutely impressed with xuan as a Titan runner

[thorny frost]

The lvl 4 weapon mastery on Steve gives extra damage based on the damage from his other part of weapon mastery not weapon damage.

[true mauve]

Uhhh Kabr maybe go Brrrr with primary not LFR

[vocal mango]

😭 why it gotta be only for 14 days

[short locust]

So how Ning's 2 layers of Lightning works if you've ever read that

[true mauve]

That also?

[short locust]

Ye, it's nothing new

[vocal mango]

What rank did yall get in the normal leaderboards

Also why another scour bruh we just got symmetry and its peak

[devout void]

because this cycle you cant do your oob anymore

[karmic chasm]

He’s got the best primary for that situation if it’s true

[pulsar coral]

Bro.. Expanse 40 on arc is tough for me. 72k T4 Kabr, I died 5 times. I’ll have to keep trying once I’m higher power. The rest of it was easy.

The boss actually shreds the barriers

Literally too

Lockdown and Arby

[soft bobcat]

Yeah just got here, so Jade Rabbit is cracked or what's going on 👀

[true mauve]

He can do 4x wpn mastery dmg in 1 sec, with T6 maybe it is 6x wpn mastery in 1 sec. He does a total of 6.2x the dmg of 1 scout shot in 1 sec now, with T6 he could maybe do 7.8x dmg in 1 sec

[soft bobcat]

I did read the last 30min or so but still no idea what's happening

[karmic chasm]

Ok sooooo 1 does this require multiple barriers, and 2 which primary works best

[thorny frost]

High damage per shot in theory should be best. The initial weapon mastery still takes weapon damage into account and it has a cool down.

[true mauve]

So question is 7.8x scout dmg or 4.5x LFR

[karmic chasm]

Im gonna let you guys do that math while i finish work haha

[true mauve]

Could end up being 7x scout and 4.2x LFR

[true mauve]

Idk anyone with a max Exo LFR or Exo Scout to test dmg diffs and see

Im sure LFR prob wins out, it hit so hard. I can do a baseline fang of ir yut vs EoL

[soft bobcat]

I imagine if you minmaxed it to shoot through the barrier on EoL when you have max Searing Mark stacks.. It would be pretty insane

[errant narwhal]

I have max fang and max eol but no max exo scout

[thorny frost]

It is hard for primary to compete, the exotic LFR does do some nice damage. But what this means is if we get a game mode that makes it hard to maintain heavy ammo then he might end up doing well as he can capitalize on primary easier.

[karmic chasm]

Oops Helhest joined the battle

[thorny frost]

• spawns a damage sponge boss into the battle with only like 4 elite mobs spawning in infrequent times *

[true mauve]

My RC is barely built and destroyed my tricked out jade rabbit and jade rabbit has highest base dmg of scout rifles 😭

[karmic chasm]

That might work. I cast 5 Kabrs and 1 Rossi for style

[true mauve]

Waiting for the "most amount of dmg done in x amount of time" single target team bossfights

[soft bobcat]

Yeah there are just too many good LFR's literally every single one is crazy good depending on the situation

[true mauve]

Oh wait yeah, will be 3 HH

[thorny frost]

If a boss can’t die in like 15 seconds of ammo and she has no fodder to recharge on she will be stuck with bow damage and waiting on salvo. It is just every game modes throw tons of mobs at us and bosses go down fast.

[errant narwhal]

dog maintaining lfr ammo this last calops was so tough😭

even with 2 t6

[karmic chasm]

Hopefully this one is better

[errant narwhal]

prayin

[karmic chasm]

What strike is it

[errant narwhal]

I’m not sure, havent been on

[bold thunder]

Fr why is every boss in this game paper 😭

[errant narwhal]

bc they want it to be a speedrun game ig

[karmic chasm]

Which is so dumb

That’s not the destiny I know

[soft bobcat]

I prefer it to making difficulty based on bullet sponginess tbh

but yea maybe they could land somewhere in the middle

[true mauve]

Gimme some lite raid mechanics in Cal Ops

Instill Immune and wave phases

Imagine cal ops being like a sword phase crota boss at end?

[thorny frost]

Because the boss fights are about the mechanics mainly. Majority of the bosses have immunity time that requires us to coordinate to kill fast.

[indigo solar]

Still think it's better to use alt fire, even at t6 fire twice through, cast barrier, fire twice, repeat. Alt fire seems to have ~0.5s between shots so you may not even have to wait

With enough ads you may even trigger enough blinding for a fourth barrier

And super gives 1 full barrier if you have 3 out

[night sinew]

so last time i played played was estela ive recently picked up playing again, i never got past acclaim 14 is it still hyper focus three characters for this?

[true mauve]

Wha? Alt fire on what

[indigo solar]

Symmetry

The explosion

[night sinew]

and or any guides/is it just what it is?

[karmic chasm]

Ning is a good choice still for one of them. Then Ikora if you don’t have Maru

[indigo solar]

You deal way more damage per shot so get more value from shot-limited buffs

[simple plank]

Chat just discovered Kabr

[indigo solar]

And deals AoE so I think each target hit procs its own

[true mauve]

Thats purple scout just to show wpn mastery stacks 🤣

[karmic chasm]

I know it feels like we should have tested this earlier

[white fossil]

interesting 🥀

[indigo solar]

No, it's just messing around now to try optimising barriers

Bc they're behaving funky

[errant narwhal]

Yeah I agree, I get having speedrun gamemodes but not every gamemode needs to be one

[simple plank]

I’m pretty sure you just barrier shoot twice barrier again

Throw beam in there if you wanna

[soft bobcat]

Honestly I have barely played with new Kabr. Although I do like him I already have so many strong Arcs he just been on my back burner.

[simple plank]

After a shot of course

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/titanfall-titanfall-2-die-ion-execution-gif-3135575733296200348

[mossy holly]

This event seems more rewarding

[simple plank]

Burn all your big mastery shots from placing all 3 barriers, beam for like 1.5 seconds, fourth barrier for two more shots

Super, another barrier after it’s done

[true mauve]

Ngl, my RC isnt built and the free Jade Rabbit has catalysis and stuff unlocked. RC did over double the dmg still. Unless Max Symmetry is going to dang near quadruple dmg (because max RC will double dmg easily)

[simple plank]

Boss should be dead by then

[karmic chasm]

What’s done tho? Which boss 😭

[simple plank]

Anything

[white fossil]

jeez i didnt even realise i did over 100m damage in like 20 minutes 🤣

[karmic chasm]

We are still not building super on Kabr right? Arc, weapon, sig, ability?

[simple plank]

I don’t think most bosses or gates last that long

[simple plank]

I built super

[karmic chasm]

Hmmm

It does hit hard yea

[simple plank]

It’s not for speedrunning but it got me to Master 1

[karmic chasm]

I’d lose a ton of power switching to that artifact but maybe it’s good

[simple plank]

And for DPS phases after you use up 4 barriers

Get your fifth

[night sinew]

so i do have jaren at almost done for silver i dipped my toe in before he went away to make sure i got him, i assume the way to hyper focus is to pick 3 of different elements to prevent material overlap?
my plan was jaren umeko and kabr for focusing unless i should continue to work on gwyn but tbh just used her cause meta at the time

[indigo solar]

Super yeah, beam does no damage so sig isn't super useful

[karmic chasm]

Ok I’ll go swap artifacts then. Rip like 500 power from Rossi’s bellicose

[soft bobcat]

Also only 75s cooldown on it

[karmic chasm]

60 if I pull one more copy 👀

[simple plank]

I think from my private testing my Arby Kabr t6 was close to a t1 Maru’s rotation

Dunno how different it’d be with RC

[karmic chasm]

T1 Maru was the best T1 imo
Just straight up perfects her rotation

[errant narwhal]

My only T0 lol

[indigo solar]

But yes both the impact and AoE proc mastery, for every enemy hit

[indigo solar]

What we're looking at now tho is that symmetry may be better than a linear tho

[karmic chasm]

Dawg you might be throwing 😭
Kidding man, you’re our goat for calamity

[errant narwhal]

I just didn’t like her kit or personality I only pulled her for acclaim

[true mauve]

Why does RC proc it on each hit? 💀 looool

[calm vortex]

I like how in one of my CalOps runs we get a T6 HelHest on the team but then theres ammo bricks everywhere from enemy drops and then I do another run without a HH and I swear I only saw a single heavy ammo brick drop

[errant narwhal]

I think ammo drops are the same every run

At least thats what it looked like to me

[dusty spire]

All the scouts are situational for add clear just pick the corresponding element.

[errant narwhal]

But total lockdown has my sick eclipse shader on it

[indigo solar]

I mean it would suck if it didn't

[errant narwhal]

We really need a RC ornament

[true mauve]

WWCD, What Would Crimson Do with a 1 sec cooldown and stag stacks for example 👀

[errant narwhal]

Even this one would be sick

[indigo solar]

Lmao yeah I think symmetry may be the move, my artifacts aren't optimized at all

[calm vortex]

Also its considered Blast Damage and AoE so theres a lot of experimenting you can do with sets to try and optimize Alt fire damage

[indigo solar]

It is not considered blast damage

Blast damage must be done by a blast weapon

It is considered AoE damage

[calm vortex]

Spread weapons deal blast but not all blast is spread

[true mauve]

Whoever reccomended TL and Allocation Vector needs fired

[indigo solar]

There's spread damage and AoE damage

[soft bobcat]

This may have been how I popped an impact shinka instantly with Kabr + symmetry. I wasn't sure what I did I wasn't paying attention but it seems about right 🤔

[indigo solar]

Spread damage is any damage done by a spread weapon, including impact damage

AoE damage is any damage from any source that can hit more than one target in a single instance

You can't use Shell artifacts with symmetry but you could use Blazar artifacts

[thorny frost]

It is seeming like his weapon mastery is triggered by ammo then? With it triggering on each enemy for symmetry and each shot of RC but not allocating vector this would make sense.

[true mauve]

Whats the secret?

[true mauve]

I will just be happy if we finally lay this to rest

[sharp pelican]

(it’s arby)

[soft bobcat]

The answer is both. I'm sorry

[errant narwhal]

I think this just depends on the content

[indigo solar]

Tee hee

[soft bobcat]

Ideally you want one of both in a team.

[sharp pelican]

i don’t have max arby but all hh i see arby do more dps

[indigo solar]

Arby does more damage but less dps

[soft bobcat]

Yeah because popping shields / shinkas is a huge damage boost on the end of game meters

[indigo solar]

Bc it shreds majors and shinkas but doesn't do much vs bosses

[errant narwhal]

It does an absurd amount to shinkas but not as much to bosses

[sharp pelican]

ahhhh ok

[errant narwhal]

Popping piercing shinkas inflates your stats as it is already

[sharp pelican]

yeah that makes sense

cal ops 2 arby or one of each?

[clear rock]

lets call it a skill issue for now but this stage has been kinda wiping the floor with my ning fei
iam literally one shot, if a musqito hit me by mistake i die

[errant narwhal]

I lost like 15% damage at the end of game bc the other HH was popping every shinka lol

[true mauve]

Figured as much, all smoke n mirrors man. Fr though, do any of them blast or aoe artis help push Symmetry harder than inverted fury?

[soft bobcat]

Though I would question taking RC over EoL if you have an Arby user taking care of all Shinkas.

[clear rock]

IT6 75K power ning btw

[sharp pelican]

eol?

[soft bobcat]

End of the Line

[sharp pelican]

yeah expanse 30+ is cracked

[sharp pelican]

and take symmetry u mean?

[soft bobcat]

The mythic LFR is still best for boss damage

[sharp pelican]

seriously? damn

[soft bobcat]

Yeah

[sharp pelican]

i need to do some dmg testing

[indigo solar]

No :(

[sharp pelican]

i had no idea

[quasi relic]

Hey guys, can I not equip the jade jester ornament until I get the weapon? the cosmetic isn't showing up anywhere

It's from the new event and says I already unlocked it

[sharp pelican]

correct

weird order

[quasi relic]

Thanks!

[true mauve]

Does the 2nd cata even help the blast dmg since it buffs precision dmg?

[indigo solar]

No

But generally scout mode is better anyways

[sharp pelican]

symmetry scout mode with 2nd catalyst is night and day

[indigo solar]

It's only boss dps where blast may be better, and only on Kabr

[sharp pelican]

completely changes the gun feel

[true mauve]

How do you determine base dmg increase for blast mode?

[indigo solar]

Technically Umeko too but she should be using Izzy

[true mauve]

Jade Rabbit is my ship for her now, I almost built her just to use it. Incoming bunny ear helmet in easter and ita game over

[true mauve]

I want to test without maxing my crap lol how much of a real dmg diff is there between msxed symmetry and not maxed

[soft bobcat]

Yeah I thought Jade Rabbit would be built for Umeko too 😅

[sinful totem]

Who is it built for

[indigo solar]

+60% damage, +32% for every stack

[soft bobcat]

Good question

[vast sky]

Jade rabbit is kinda cracked (no abilities)

[indigo solar]

For max of +600%

[calm vortex]

I just wish jade rabbit's damage buff wasnt random lol

[vast sky]

If it being random its still kinda dps king now ngl

[true mauve]

Rough comparison. Symmetry Dynamic mode is close to same dmg as RC single shot mode or Arby non buff dmg. RC 3shot mode blows it away

[indigo solar]

Ah yes 195k dps when 15.3k damage per shot. Which char did you really use

[vast sky]

[true mauve]

Just did random crap test

[vast sky]

I didnt use any character the damage test just bugged out

Gave me a random 3m damage proc

[true mauve]

Look top Left corner

It was Steve

Bro you gotta bait harder 😭

[indigo solar]

Steve uses rabbit tho

He either used heavy and refilled or used a different char

[vast sky]

Also @indigo solar do we know if calming token precision damage applies to kabibi ult

[true mauve]

Nah rabbit is a smg its why umeko uses it

[indigo solar]

Does not

[vast sky]

Pain

I wanted big funny damage numbers

[vapid ibex]

Where the last 2 copies bro 💔

[indigo solar]

That's what Arby on a piercing shinka is for

31.25x damage

[vast sky]

Thats what i was abouta say

[pulsar coral]

I think if you have T5, might not be as bad

[vast sky]

The braindeads who thought arby was bad for crota raid challenge 🥀

[indigo solar]

I mean, it is

Doesn't have nearly that good boss dps

[vast sky]

Not crota himself

[indigo solar]

Who cares how fast shinkas die

[vast sky]

Bro arby on bridge was COOKING

[vast sky]

Well when they one shot you-

[indigo solar]

Skill issue

[vapid ibex]

Worst exotic ever don’t upgrade this shee even with cat 3 c0 symmetry does more damage and faster 💔

[true mauve]

Thank you! 🙌

[vast sky]

Me when im lying

[indigo solar]

But does symmetry randomly do less damage for no reason? I thought not

[vapid ibex]

I’m being deadass rn I can easily do 3M damage with symmetry under 10 seconds can’t even hit 1M with jade rabbit in 20

[soft bobcat]

Maxed arby increases all precision damage on the target by 35% though. Makes up for the lack of boss damage once you have it.

[true mauve]

Arby on Bridge is how I was able to be last guy across and solo both swordbearers plus the shinkas. Dont let them guys fool your big brain.

[indigo solar]

Yeah but symmetry doesn't get random damage nerfs so it's not as cool

[vapid ibex]

I don’t get what you mean bro it doesn’t and even if it randomly got a 50% damage nerf it’s still faster and outdamages jade rabbit

[true mauve]

You swappin to Void substats from Arc with Rabbit?

[calm vortex]

It is kinda weird they went for the gambling angle on Jade Rabbit on top of its body shot ammo refill just not working at all

[vapid ibex]

Shooting through shield gives arc damage output bonus, so regardless of what weapon element you use arc damage bonus will always be the go to

[indigo solar]

Exactly, it doesn't. Jade rabbit does randomly get damage nerfs, which makes it far superior

[true mauve]

Well then that Arc dmg bonus is buffing Symmetrys dmg and not jade rabbits, unfair test 😭

[indigo solar]

Ammo refill is on consecutive precision shots, not body shot

[vapid ibex]

No because you’re going to use EOTL if you’re using jade rabbit or symmetry regardless, and Symmetry out damages EOTL as well so arc damage for power weapon when using jade is ideal

[vapid ibex]

I don’t understand what you’re sayingggg

[indigo solar]

Symmetry only outdamages EotL on Steve and only for a little bit

[vocal mango]

I didn't do any oob

[indigo solar]

Jade rabbit better bc randomly bad

It's what you want on every gun

[true mauve]

I get that but you cant say Jade is had if you didnt equip the proper build for it. Of course you get more from arc wpn on arc build is all I am saying. Do you have a void build on Umeko you can test rabbit with?

[calm vortex]

I guess its not surprising at this point for DRising to have incorrect descriptions

[vocal mango]

Symmetry is better in every way idk why they decided to release another flicking scout rifle

[calm vortex]

I just misinterpreted the line

[indigo solar]

Consecutive precision hits do [1] and [2] where
[1] is grant bonus damage on your next body shot and
[2] is return ammo to the magazine

[true mauve]

@vapid ibex no disrespect, I am genuinely intrigued by it because I am debating on Rabbit or Symmetry and it may change what Lightbearer I build

[dusty spire]

It’s all situational I’m sure a void weapon will work better against void shields like an arc weapon working very well against arc shields. What makes the difference is non shielded enemies like Morgan hunt

[indigo solar]

Never Jade rabbit

Symmetry for Steve, Polaris for tan, Izzy for Umeko

[soft bobcat]

Okay the way you put it makes sense. I honestly was also confused by this. It's not proper English that's for sure.

[calm vortex]

I wonder how it acts in PvP cause the damage floor and ceiling on its buff is pretty massive so if you get lucky do you just demolish someone lol

[true mauve]

Not being mean this where I dont wanna discuss Jade Rabbit with you 🤣 😭 you are "Jaded" towards it alrdy 😜

[indigo solar]

It is proper English it's just confusing, but honestly less confusing than if they put the refund effect first

[vast sky]

I'd be nice if they made an arc spread character that used scouts so we can have a situation to actually use symmetry alt fire and it not be DOOKIE

[indigo solar]

"Consecutive precision hits refund ammo to the magazine and grant bonus damage on your next body shot" sounds even more like the refund is on the body shot

[indigo solar]

Why would an arc spread character change this

[true mauve]

Jade Rabbit looks and sounds cool

[indigo solar]

Spread artis still wouldn't work on it

[true mauve]

And its FREE

[mossy holly]

FINALLY, I have two characters that are 70k power.

[errant narwhal]

and it has a rabbit on it, thats pretty cool

[vapid ibex]

I don’t get what the randomly bad means though??

[vast sky]

Give them scout as primary, gl as heavy and just make them scale spread damage like no other, spread fire rate and make it actually apply to symmetry

[vast sky]

Cause jade rabits precision multi randomly changes

[true mauve]

Goes with umeko bunny valentine outfit trust

[indigo solar]

Jade rabbit deals random precision damage while fate of all fools is active

[errant narwhal]

let him cook

[soft bobcat]

It would be more like "Consecutive precision hits refund ammo. Additionally consecutive precision hits grant bonus damage on your next body shot."

[vapid ibex]

Keep in mind I have god roll artifacts with both void and Arc artifact substats and there’s little to no difference

[dusty spire]

35k crit shots on a 8.5k power jade?

[errant narwhal]

but then it misses timing

[calm vortex]

Yeah it deals like 60~115% extra Precision damage randomly in 3 or 4 stages

[indigo solar]

People would misread this and think it said "additional" instead of "additionally" and think you had to fire even more to proc the extra damage

[dusty spire]

I think jade is slower but will hit bigger numbers

[vast sky]

It'd have been funny niche use if they made the stacking mechanic for inc body shot never have a cap so you could run kabibi in smt long and just stack like 999x and one shot a boss with a body shot

Devs hate fun tho

[vapid ibex]

Dang let me level up to 85

[indigo solar]

It'd have been funny niche use if they made the stacking mechanic for ransom stamp never have a cap so you could run Tan in smt long and just stack like 999x and one shot a boss

[dusty spire]

Is it maxed ? The comparison

[indigo solar]

Devs hate fun tho

[vast sky]

Real

[true mauve]

Because of the wpn mastery difference. I was hoping Umeko could use rabbit better than Kabr since it sucks on him, I got that part where you said Symmetry was better and understood. Ty though for taking the time to make a vid for me was really nice of you

[vast sky]

Yeah but giving up izzies on umeko is probably the worst feeling decision in the game

[indigo solar]

You're using symmetry wrong

[vapid ibex]

Hold on I actually understand now I’m working on it

[true mauve]

That symmetry is fast bro, Kabr is slaying with it

[dusty spire]

Jade just lets Kabr be used for as clear during the void cycle stop over complicating lol

[true mauve]

1mil in 5 sec

[vast sky]

Forget spit using a gun a certain way, spit NOT reload canceling is sending me

With symmetry's slow ahh reload speed

[dusty spire]

During void cycle and void shields I’m sure jade is the pick over an arc sym

Please don’t be in my party shooting void shields with sym because of these conversations lol

[true mauve]

All the randoms lol

[dusty spire]

Collect and upgrade your pool and you’ll have a lot more diversity to play with

[true mauve]

Nope, never used it on her. Am an Argali purple man

[soft bobcat]

Yeah we can of course go back and forth of this. It reminds me of my time writing for Maxroll.

Next edit: "Consecutive precision hits refund ammo. These said precision hits also grant bonus damage on your next body shot."

[true mauve]

May swap to Tartar Sauce

[vast sky]

Ban this man

[indigo solar]

He did tho?

He anim cancelled it with an ability

[indigo solar]

Too formal, "these said" doesn't match existing design language

[vast sky]

Well i figured we were all lying

So

[indigo solar]

He really was using it wrong

[vast sky]

What he do

[soft bobcat]

Are we tossing it or calling it an improvement though? ;D

[indigo solar]

Should use alt fire when casting barriers to get more damage out of mastery

[vast sky]

Fair nuff

[indigo solar]

It is better, tho I think the additionally one is better than this one

[vast sky]

Still hate how reloading with sym in alt fire doesnt put you back into normal fire

[karmic chasm]

No deaths until this. Those stupid centurions bro

[vast sky]

So you're telling me my 20x expire at 7 rounds left in the mag so i gotta swap RELOAD then i can finally shoot

[vapid ibex]

Wdym

[indigo solar]

"Chain precision shots to gain bonus damage on your next body shot. Activating Fate of All Fools also partially reloads the magazine" @soft bobcat

[karmic chasm]

I’m definitely gonna completely throw my time bc of this expanse 40 boss -_-

[short locust]

[calm vortex]

Also an important note is that swapping to Alt fire fully reloads the gun but swapping back to scout doesnt

[indigo solar]

Alternate barrier and alt fire shots, then go to normal

[vapid ibex]

Wdymmmm

[indigo solar]

Alt fire deals about 3.7x damage through a new barricade compared to scout mode

[devout void]

3:11 sure

[soft bobcat]

I like it and yea it's somewhat vague so stays on brand for the game I suppose 👍

[vapid ibex]

Oh you mean arc seeker mode? Yeah no I’ve done like 12 different tests, you always end up doing 500-700k less damage vs if you just stayed on scout mode. Arc seeker mode sucks

[karmic chasm]

Steve’s barriers are very tanky until you put them up against Adolf Cabaltler’s minigun of instant death

[indigo solar]

Not when chained with barricades like this, you get more value

Here's pure scout over the same timeframe

(Note: I only have cata1 and no artifacts/light links)

[karmic chasm]

What if instead of that, we drag him through expanse with RC bc that’s the only LFR I built

[indigo solar]

You also get significantly more value out of doing this when you have wm5 or t6

[karmic chasm]

There’s no way I’m throwing three barricades back to back in the wild though. At least in most cases, other than completely stationary bosses.

Like an expanse this feels like a generally bad idea

[simple plank]

I mean, I do it

[karmic chasm]

Ok I’ll do it

[indigo solar]

And in most cases (besides bosses), the dps doesn't matter

And vs bosses you'll be casting your super too, which will recall all barriers anyways

[simple plank]

Get your powered shot(s) out, next barrier, shoot, next barrier. Signature ability to refresh a new barrier, shoot, Ult to refresh again, shoot

That’s his loop

[mossy holly]

Also I completed Expanse 30 stages both, and max my battle pass xp cap.

[soft bobcat]

Have we settled on 3rd slot Artifact for Steve?

[karmic chasm]

I’m gonna go try this on the expanse 40 boss since I literally was zero deaths until I got there

[vapid ibex]

You actually end up doing less damage since you’ll lose all of your shields and never have your summon damage bonus because you used up all your shields, plus the damage increase is very insignificant to warrant losing your damage bonus and vulnerability for the next minute or two to proct it again. Trust me I tried to make arc seeker mode viable, even trying to proct the arc seeker mode with the fire rate bonus from scout mode before triggering arc seeker

[soft bobcat]

This is partially why I asked, because I'm using rampaging pact still 😅

[karmic chasm]

Mfw symmetry was another bad exotic primary

[vapid ibex]

The 50% weapon damage bonus from the first 2 shots shot through shield is only viable when using Arb or RC you’d be using that over your Arc seeker mode for actual damage

[karmic chasm]

I’m using RC bc I like bang bang bang

[indigo solar]

??? Rampaging should always be active, you're using super right after this so you should have at least 2.5 shields minimum after exiting, which gives enough bonus from rampaging for 24 seconds

[vast sky]

Rampaging only requires one shield

[indigo solar]

Except seekers do so much that it's actually worth it to use a seeker shot instead of a linear shot bc scouts get higher buffs

[soft bobcat]

Rampaging Duration Stacks!?!?

[indigo solar]

No

But you can prolong 2.5 shields long enough for four activations six seconds apart

[soft bobcat]

Ah okay fair point

[karmic chasm]

This is a very interesting discussion. I’m just wondering how practical it will be in anything but Calamity Ops Pit or something

[indigo solar]

They thought it was warding pact 😔

[vast sky]

On god

[bitter estuary]

i cant get permanent until tommorow but i got band 1 and boost 4 🔥

[little lotus]

How is it?

[indigo solar]

Bad

[bitter estuary]

honestly, i'm confused

do i do body shots every other shot or do precision shots to get the max damage or do i do body shot every 3rd shot to maximize sustained? like

[little lotus]

Yeah, seen a Youtube video on it.

[bitter estuary]

no wonder its FREE

i rather use the lassi instead

[mossy holly]

Idc, Its free.

FREE IS GOOD

[simple plank]

Good luck

[bitter estuary]

so is mythic weapons

[little lotus]

Jade Rabbit was pretty meh in D1 too.

[indigo solar]

Keep doing precision, they do more than body shots even with the buff and body shots don't reload the mag

[karmic chasm]

This expanse 40 made me love Kabr even more

[indigo solar]

So is total lockdown

[bitter estuary]

oh ok fair, still a very mid gun

[karmic chasm]

Best primary in the game to this day bruh

[vapid ibex]

I don’t understand? After you use all 3 of your shields since they don’t stack you’ll only have the rampaging effect for 6 seconds? And you shouldn’t be using your ultimate because you end up doing less damage

[bitter estuary]

so is total lockdown, del3 lassi, and fang of ir yut

[indigo solar]

Why are you not using ult 😭 in what world is ult nuke doing less damage

Are you body shotting ult

[vapid ibex]

Because his ult does no damage even with max super attribute

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/chuu-loona-chuu-loona-confused-chuu-confused-gif-25964617

[indigo solar]

Okay so you're just baiting now

[mossy holly]

Jade Rabbit can sit in my backpack collecting dust

[karmic chasm]

His ult does great damage, I was kinda shocked

[calm vortex]

I was also trying to lab out some damage rotations with Kabr using Symmetry earlier and it does seem like after your shields are spent weaving his Sig 1 between shots is DPS gain, it fits snugly between its firing delay

[vapid ibex]

The thing is you have to wait a whole minute for his ultimate and then the animation + aiming to get a crit hit with your ult it takes like 10 seconds in of itself. Of which you could’ve just shot symmetry with 1 shield in scout mode and done double the damage at all times

[true mauve]

It precision shots?

[vapid ibex]

So he’s better built as weapon damage over ultimate damage

[bitter estuary]

you have to aim, actually

[karmic chasm]

His ult can do prec??

[true mauve]

I feel the same bro