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[serene ingot]

Solar side i popped super and got it to half hp then he refreshes shield and i have 0 power ammo left

[true mauve]

Wth are you using?

[valid ether]

$50 have a year of content dlc comes out pay some more way cheaper then micro transactions. Micro transactions is the reason for volume over quality

[serene ingot]

Jaren with tlw and thermo

[sharp talon]

show your artifacts

[versed scroll]

Possible using phone's touchscreen?

[stark forge]

never use shotgun till last floor

[devout void]

you mean a lot of f2p blame netease because they cant get everything ?

[sharp talon]

oh idk about that lol

[stark forge]

touchscreen is not problem

[true mauve]

What? You get ammo reffil after 33, 36, 39

[true stratus]

Tablet and controller

[valid ether]

I will laugh if the EU bans micro transactions

[stark forge]

i mean the last floor in 39

[sharp talon]

39 is the big room right? 36 is the multi floor one

[versed scroll]

Okie, I will not try it. Thanks. 🤣

[true mauve]

More like because they have skill issue and complain about whales. Meanwhile real f2p have T1 marus and Wolf and T3 Nings in overseer so 🤷 it sucks to suck I guess

[serene ingot]

Yeah but if i don't use power ammo on the gladiators they just kill the thing and i lose

[sharp talon]

oh idk, i have never really worried about the device on that stage at all. it never gets anywhere near destroyed

[stark forge]

power save the most for shinka, use shotgun to break shield only not dps

[true stratus]

I might have skill issues with the controller, but I don’t have a PC right now so this iPad will have to do

[valid ether]

I don’t care if people max out credit cards or not it’s their future they put in the bin. I hate people that take advantage of exploiting

[serene ingot]

Well can't really try again pretty sure new cycle before i can try again

[stark forge]

and if it still fail u might wanna reroll expanse card buff

[true mauve]

Manage your stag stacks, dont waste em on reds

[true mauve]

What exploits? D2 calls cheese "game mechanics"

[sharp talon]

im curious what artifacts theyre using

[true stratus]

I have an issue with people maxing out credit cards for stuff like this because they obviously have no intention on paying them back and that’s pretty much theft

[devout void]

Yes, many hide behind excuses. Even iamreal here achieved a high score with Kabr 1.0 , There's ALWAYS a way if you use your brain, but it's true that many players will directly say that every event = whale

But you need passion and, of course, a few friends; you can't do it alone.

[true mauve]

I think the Law gets them not game devs 💀

[serene ingot]

Me?

[true stratus]

Lol the law does nothing

[sharp talon]

yes

[devout void]

Good players attract each other; at first everyone used matchmaking, then if someone is good you add them as a friend and a network is created.

[true mauve]

IRS takes its sweet time but its there

[true stratus]

Not much respect for the law anymore it doesn’t seem

[white fossil]

cuz the law is stupid and wrong half the time tbh

[true mauve]

Most of them upset no skill people are mad because they have no skill so they have no friends. Networking fails when you are bad at game

[stark forge]

3 and 4 artifacts are most important

[true stratus]

Maybe but it’s still the law work on changing them instead of breaking them

[devout void]

it's ok many good player use controller and they are on top of calam or expanse #1 calam in the world now 476k have helhest controller, #2 expanse is zombie ning on controller

[serene ingot]

Cant check the names rn but resolute conjunction? Healing veil, jarens new slot 3 and slot 4 is the 30% dmg for 6 second forgot name

[valid ether]

Well it’s also on the lender to take the risk by approving the credit I. The first place. It’s a risk they accept. I have never paid interest on credit cards ever. Banks must hate me lol

[sharp talon]

substats for slot 3 and 4?

[devout void]

conjunction ; new artifact jarren ; new again ; veil

weapon ability solar then the last whatever, you could even use mythic for expanse since its 72k

[true mauve]

Wpn, Solar, Ability, Sig

[true stratus]

OK, back to work thanks for all of your guys’s input and info greatly appreciate it

[serene ingot]

Substats all recommended going for super instead of solar dmg cus too much work finding bis artis

[sharp talon]

i found u do a lot more damage with solar

[valid ether]

We really need another source of clusters man. Pr make calamity ops weekly

[true mauve]

Found out last night, Sig substat on artis is the diff between 20 second floors and 10 second floors. Likely showed me the way literally.

[stark forge]

weapon ability super is also good too

[true mauve]

Super is soooo bad

[sharp talon]

weapon ability solar is best for 3/3. then weapon ability solar sig i think

[true mauve]

It literally 🧱 my runs having Super > Sig

[devout void]

he walk so we could run

[stark forge]

but super helps clear the shinka and the big orc

[true mauve]

Nono, he ran so I could realise I crawl

[devout void]

this debate again

[true mauve]

@cobalt beacon

[valid ether]

I just hope they fix the bs damage in expanse way overtuned since season 3

[serene ingot]

Solar also doesnt help me when using octant

[cobalt beacon]

Im not going for it

[sharp talon]

i have arc boost, if super bricks your runs what about arc boost? 🤣

[true mauve]

No debate. I have 3 days and hours of proof.

[stark forge]

ur run is 🧱 bc u choose comet card buff

[true mauve]

I tagged you for this "Nono, he ran so I could realise I crawl" ❤️

[cobalt beacon]

🧱

[dusty spire]

Imo expanse is a damage test and survival test, sorta tells netease the skill sealing of players and gear

[cobalt beacon]

Subbing out arc boost for arc expanse is fine if you have another artifact that magically has it but bro i legit did arc side in a pretty fast time with lastword and thermop

[true mauve]

Likely and I were doing same things. His build destroyed bros 1 shot sig and flash grenades. My build leaves bros half life and I have to waste Welling Light stacks on reds

[serene ingot]

Yep just a dps check and avoid 1 tap check

[dusty spire]

I wouldn’t over think it, if your not clearing expanse 40 like everyone that is your probably underperforming some where

[cobalt beacon]

And then switched to octant for speedrunning

[dusty spire]

And expanse for time is skill based but for clear it’s pretty much gear standards

If your clearing expanse with a heroe they imo have passed the dps/survival check for the hero up to date

[random steeple]

just compare
DR have 3 time more money at release

It's still not really good one release from netease perspective( like really good one is WWM for netease i think)
but that's not a Marvel Mythic even close

[cobalt beacon]

I had a 49 second ogre yesterday i could have prob saved 30 seconds+ of my arc side but i couldn’t get a complete run cause im trash

And i despise octant

😭

[true mauve]

Change your name to Gwynn or Tan-2 then 😭

[cobalt beacon]

I legit 4 shotted the ogre with octant tho

And one shotted wizards

[devout void]

thats why you need weapon ability solar arc god roll

[cobalt beacon]

[true mauve]

🤫

[empty kettle]

The revenue difference is crazy

[cobalt beacon]

If only it wasnt veil

[dusty spire]

Don’t ask me why lol

[cobalt beacon]

I bet that thing slaps

[dusty spire]

Guess I’ve got it ready for that solar impact / spread or machine gun titan

[sharp talon]

solar is better for 3/3 (weapon enh/ability) right? instead of weapon/ability/sig

[true mauve]

Fr, I tried hard to cope with it after watching you run. It made my weapon dmg so crap I couldnt shottie anything

[cobalt beacon]

I used veil before its aight

[devout void]

lol

[dusty spire]

It worked in the tower defence but this weapon requires a really fine tune build with xuan to use, so I’m kinda certain its usable with him but it’s for someone else

[devout void]

we dont need exotic anyway if you dont run for crazy speedrun and look for your first clear just go mythic

[true mauve]

Yes but now compare WWM to DR. If the small diff between DR and MMM made MMM sunset then what would diff between WWM and DR do?

[dusty spire]

Some one that can equipped impact and spread arts would work the toaster to its fullest imo

[true mauve]

Saladman is cominf

Why is WWM on PC and Console meanwhile DR is mobile only

[dusty spire]

Loading up just for him, I’ll happily accept it not though

[devout void]

#💭│main-chat message you just copy paste

[true mauve]

No you didnt...

https://tenor.com/view/back-up-gif-8713338

[dusty spire]

Have a feeling servers will be up within the hour

[devout void]

they have nothing to do so maybe

[fathom field]

At what time should it be up?

[sharp talon]

they say up to 3 hrs, but it can end earlier

[stark forge]

or it can end forever

[dusty spire]

We would
Still have 1 hour and 35 mins remaining I think

[true mauve]

I got the day off, my boss said its too cold to work outside below 0 in 30mph winds.

[dusty spire]

You ride ?

[true mauve]

We got maintenance now and I cant grind

[true mauve]

I am a ride or die. I climb and work on 40+ foot buildings alot. This time of year we are working on smaller residential houses only 10-30 feet up

[jovial onyx]

Hello evryone

[dusty spire]

Takes heart on those 40+ foots

[true mauve]

Hello bro

[celest sleet]

Yoo whats good everyone?

[jovial onyx]

Good
Doing laundry
I wanted to play DR but is is in maintance

For 3 hours

[sharp talon]

wasnt last one 1 hour and 30 minutesish?

[celest sleet]

Lol yeah that happens time to time. Last one was pretty quick I do believe.

[cerulean belfry]

It always ends before that but they quote it 3 hrs just to be on safer side

[sharp talon]

the server merge one took longer and they gave extra lumia i think

[celest sleet]

I remember when it took over 3 hours...

[devout void]

server open

[jovial onyx]

What

[sharp talon]

cn server 😭

[cerulean belfry]

Do we have T server too?

[celest sleet]

Still down for me. 😢

[true mauve]

Surprisingly nah, you get wayy too used to being at heights. You arnt comfortable but you arnt scared, you just do your work and not think about it. Sometimes I do like making people squeamish though 🤣

[devout void]

Perk: Jade Rabbit Catalyst
Description: When the "Fool's Fate" effect is triggered, precision damage dealt by this weapon is increased by an additional 25%.
Objective: Defeat 3 any enemies with Jade Rabbit as the修行者卡布尔.

Item: Catalyst Band 01
Description: Increases the amount of ammo returned per trigger to 2 rounds when refunded by consecutive precision hits.

Item: Catalyst Band 02
Description: During the "Fool's Fate" effect, this weapon's rate of fire is increased to 180.

Perk: Beginner's Luck
Description: During Fool's Fate, precision damage dealt by this weapon increases erratically.

Intrinsic Perk: Fool's Fate
Description: Consecutive precision hits increase the damage of the next body shot and refund ammo to the magazine.

_ Sorry for weird translation

[true mauve]

So its good or bad?

180 fire rate sounds bad

[celest sleet]

We got normal ping! Its close!!

[cerulean belfry]

It's scout rifle, so expected

[devout void]

it's really bad for pve in destiny but netease make last word work so idk

[errant narwhal]

is the Mandarin saying to play as Kabr?

[rotund raptor]

Good or bad its another piece to the collection lol

[true mauve]

How did you know? You spy...

[errant narwhal]

trying to google translate

[devout void]

oh yea

[true mauve]

It worked

[errant narwhal]

It said practitioner cable lol

[true mauve]

Resolute Kabr? Whaaa

[errant narwhal]

so no catalyst for people saving the boats? or can we just craft it

[devout void]

the notice was saying they give you some catalyst for free

[rotund raptor]

Till cat band 1 right?

[devout void]

something like that

[errant narwhal]

sick

[devout void]

i think more mission you do more catalyst are free

its a "free weapon" so cant expect too much, i dont imagine it will replace QB, Arbalest

[valid ether]

Going to need to find a new pack soon our data bars are going down to inactive

[true mauve]

What about it getting 10 buffs after the fact like Partridge Sky?

[sharp pelican]

eu servers up

[devout void]

thanks

[true mauve]

Partridge was actually a solid free weapon

Just bad lightbearers

[cyan tide]

NA servers are up

[sharp talon]

more story 😄

[stark forge]

story or dialogue cutscene

[sharp talon]

cutscene but ill take it

[rotund raptor]

Guys if i try the repair button for the game does it take to much or is it done immediately

[stark forge]

too much

[mortal owl]

Just me or bulwark ops changes completely hot garbage?

[devout void]

pay to win 🥀

thinking to pull T0 now..

[thin valve]

Servers r up?

[sharp talon]

yes

[empty kettle]

Easy 30 ingots

[sharp talon]

jaren's dash sounds kinda different or am i hallucinating lol

[dusty spire]

Ohh that jade sound really good

Arc / void coverage 🙂

[devout void]

ok so without kabr challenge you still can have the 10 forges, once you log in you are 2/10 forge and it cost 10 ingots each forge

[sharp talon]

this forge thing is confusing. is it that you upgrade your trial weapon (by "forging") until you get the actual exotic?

[devout void]

the 10th forge is the actual exotic yea

27 days to do that so its fine for the one that dont have kabr

[dusty spire]

It’s a participation event just fully part and you’ll max it

[devout void]

at the end you will have more ingot than needed so they will convert to something since no shop

[rotund raptor]

I got 4 forges as i got in if im nit mistaken

[sharp talon]

glimmer 🔥

[dusty spire]

Ok this is gonna be a good gun for Kabr

[devout void]

thanks netease to give us a core dismantled in 69 days

[sharp talon]

oh wow welling light isnt as loud anymore

[devout void]

still waiting skin for the most popular character

[devout void]

wich one ? like today something happen ?

so they bring back another calamity but no leaderboard and they already delete the contest leaderboard

but a bit better rewards

[sharp talon]

wow the hard version of another calamity is back

[astral bear]

did you save your free one?

[devout void]

yea i want they become blue

[violet sonnet]

yesnt

its result displayed phase

[sharp talon]

? its using the hard mechanics at least on crota

[violet sonnet]

huh

[sharp talon]

someone was gonna explode with the chalice

[devout void]

lol

[violet sonnet]

well they worded it weirldy then in patch notes lmaoooo

[astral bear]

Lol I didnt know that

[devout void]

yes patch note mean nothing, it will be too hard i think if its like true contest, they want more people to play and farm the 30% exotic artifact

[sharp talon]

someone invited me thinking it was ognna be easy, but it was using the hard mechanics

and the composition was 😂

[devout void]

oh so at the moment its hard mechanics really ?

[sharp talon]

i mean u dont explode with the chalice with the normal mechanics right

[devout void]

normal mechanics you can chill yea

or death singers symbol you can compare if 1 or more symbol

[tight talon]

man Jade Rabbit sounds decent for Umeko

[sharp talon]

yea we only launched crota and only saw the exploding chalice so it could be a mix of hard mechanics i suppose

[devout void]

maybe pvp or a void event but its hard for me to take off izanagi

[devout void]

ok very surprising

[tight talon]

Only reason why is cause 40K is pretty good to warrant dropping izanagi

plus its 150RPM Jade that only goes upto 180RPM and has Ammo Refund

new expanse brb

[violet sonnet]

i was gona say someone do calamity deathsinger

but uhhhh deathsinger still sucks

Spread Mods

[pulsar coral]

Ugly skin

[violet sonnet]

prob just gona spam abyss calamity

[devout void]

no worries a bunch of people already buy it

[white fossil]

this skin is so funny

[devout void]

i want to make an attal for expanse should i go last word end of line or QB or Arbalest ?

[sharp talon]

i heard arbalest is currently broken on attal

[white fossil]

arbalest probably best

[devout void]

nice cool

[white fossil]

broken?

[sharp talon]

it maxes attal's passive or something if u pop a shield or shinka

[white fossil]

oh broken in a good way, fire

its so sad that i got rc to 11k finally and then arbalest comes and is just better all around 🤣

[devout void]

ifk if still meta for arbalest

[sharp talon]

heres a video of it

[serene ingot]

Whats droprate for mods in calamity

[devout void]

30%

[pulsar coral]

They need to make a RC skin for HH mains lol

[serene ingot]

Hmm dunno if its even worth it normal bridge passing is basically afk

[slender jackal]

That's the truff

[sharp talon]

my jaren was locking onto the hive ship in expanse wth lol

[hard forge]

Jade rabbit is better than symmetry

[hard forge]

Convince me I’m wrong

[rotund flame]

Is the gun out already?

[hard forge]

Yes

[half sky]

Yeah Symmetry's alt mode feels way too weak

[hard forge]

It’s fun but weak yes ur right

[half sky]

I mean one of my favourite weapon on d2 but just can't feel it in d risisg 😔 hope they buff this

[sharp talon]

the arc expanse one shotting is back :\

[thin valve]

Jaren expanse 3 times in a row bruh

[rotund raptor]

3 more forges and ill get the oermanent gun

[thin valve]

Its easy tho

[rotund raptor]

Just need to spend 400 pinnacle

[thin valve]

10 min stage 40 without dying and sweating

[half sky]

That's what they do with all new character so expect it to be same till next new character comes out which will replace Jaren

[rotund raptor]

Dont know about 40 but ill def make to 30 or 33

[thin valve]

40 is not hard either. Easier than last one

[sharp talon]

the jaren expanse 40 was easy only 6:30 first clear

im trying arc with jaren now

[thin valve]

But i aint going farther than 30 with my 71k attal lol

[dusty spire]

When maxed it does a lot for ad clear potential (primary weapon)

Situational

[half sky]

Understand what you say but still it's way weaker compared to normal mode. Mine on second catalysts i could unlock 3rd but don't wanna it does have potential but damage still low

[dusty spire]

Then your missing 3x 15% stacks on aoe rapid damage, again it offers base/elite level focus. Play it situational not in comparison to power weapons ect.

[thin valve]

Anybody running crota for ghost shell?

[rotund raptor]

Hmm ok ill have a try to go to 40

[karmic chasm]

Definitely

[empty turtle]

Jade rabbit so buns

Why does free stuff have to be so bad

[half sky]

Is there a way to unequip emblem. Not change like remove them

[white fossil]

no, you have the default wolf one from the start

no way to have no emblem equipped at all i dont think

[sharp talon]

last arc expanse 40 was more fun on jaren :<

[half sky]

Rip! Tnx

[karmic chasm]

Why are we doing arc expanse on Jaren guys 😭

[errant narwhal]

bc the raid shotgun and he fast n precision

[karmic chasm]

Fast part makes sense, also raid shotgun? Isn’t that solar

[karmic briar]

Yoo

[errant narwhal]

octant is arc aint it

[summer ledge]

So who somehow already has Jade Rabbit maxed out and will now complain endlessly about how bad it is?

[karmic chasm]

I haven’t maxed his precision weapons

[sharp talon]

it might be a lot easier with octant blasts instead of me wittling down with the last word lol

[karmic chasm]

Ohhh I was thinking of the new raid

[white fossil]

after using just the trial version i am surprised by how good it is ngl

[errant narwhal]

definitely lol

[karmic chasm]

Wait you didn’t even have an arc weapon??

[sharp talon]

only niaantiks lol

[karmic chasm]

Or you use Niaantiks

Ok

[errant narwhal]

i might try with octant but i havent built it yet

also havent built a mythic hc

[white fossil]

isnt it precision arc? why are we using jaren and not the new kabr guys!

[sharp talon]

im never doing that again with jaren and niaantiks

[errant narwhal]

isnt there an arc mythic hc

[sharp talon]

yea but i think it will be worse than using the last word there

[errant narwhal]

well if you’re running octant i mean

[sharp talon]

oh with octant, it will be better i guess

its funny they have "DEFENSE CHARACTERS" are recommended now plastered on it

[karmic chasm]

Kabr kinda slow unfortunately. Anyone that isn’t a hunter with some type of movement in this game gets pushed to the side

[white fossil]

thats true, ill still use him personally though cuz i do not care about doing it fast 🙏

[errant narwhal]

“please pull for new kabr and use him”

[white fossil]

as long as im fast enough to clear then im grand lmfao

[little lotus]

Incoming Showdown 6v6’s for Iron Bar. DM if interested in joining.

[half sky]

this sucks why high value bounty didn't count towards event i did it after reset. Like why not launch the event at the same time or make it count towards completion fssssss

What a waste of day

[rich veldt]

K a b r m a x x i n g

[devout void]

you explain it

chinese love jade the green rock a lot, its their holliday, that's all

[karmic chasm]

Oh bro neither do I. My Rossi time was absurdly high on it last cycle.

[true mauve]

Im still building him out of boredom but dang, Rossi expanse really changed my view on alot

[white fossil]

LMAO real its so challenging doing it with rossi

[karmic chasm]

Bro has a change of view every other week.
I’m messing with you but like sometimes we just gotta play the game dawg 😂

Netease made a mistake by making timed activities worth more

[short locust]

There is nothing more boring than a damage driven meta

[empty turtle]

I can't find the jade rabbit ornament to equip

[true mauve]

I live in an imaginary world and sometimes my thought bubble gets burst 😭 i also have been slowly pushing my way up and each plateua is an epiphany

Plateau?

Plat toe?

Send me back to school 😭

[short locust]

Bro needs an intervention

[devout void]

https://tenor.com/view/intervention-cobie-smulders-alyson-hannigan-neil-patrick-harris-josh-radnor-gif-14307802892670643388

[true mauve]

Nah dont worry man, me and my other 12 selfs had a good talk this morning

[karmic chasm]

I just go “oh Rossi sucks for this activity? Too bad, I’m trying him.”

It’s everyone’s problem now

[short locust]

Like that one rich Asian dude says.

"If I owe the bank 100k, it's my problem...but if I owe the bank 100 million, it's THEIR problem"

[true mauve]

Lol I wanted to say I gave him my all and my best playing. Those Expanse 40 runs were stressful, legit almost a week of running for hours every day. The time didnt melt off, I had to sweat and think alot thankfully alot of good accidents happened also 🤣

If I had Sig over Super though fr fr seeing the diff it makes on Jaren makes me wonder if sub 8 was possible on Rossi

[sharp talon]

now u get why i complain about god roll jarens 🤣

[true mauve]

Threads were chunking pretty good, prob coulda 1 shot some waves with it

[karmic chasm]

Bro I ran it one singular time bc I cannot be sinking that much effort 😭
Kudos

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-yourenottheonlyonecursedwithknowledge-gif-26388189

[true mauve]

Its ok expanse isnt fun for everyone, I just started enjoying it. Ive used Rossi everywhere though and that was last content to do with him.

(He is OP in bulwark imo, his bubble and wall confines are fire)

[karmic chasm]

I’ll definitely be giving him a shot in bulwark, I haven’t played a lot of it

[true mauve]

His wall stops everyone who runs through it, so brokw

[karmic chasm]

If that where he shines tho, that’s where I need him

[true mauve]

The bubble is amaze for AoE towers

[dense ember]

Jbbb

[karmic chasm]

Real

[thorny frost]

I haven’t tried him much, does it even stop the boss mobs? If so that is kind of awesome. Stop them right at a high dps choke point for a quick moment.

[true mauve]

I cant remember, I just know it saved me time and again on solo

[karmic chasm]

It shouldn’t stop yellow bars based on all other content, but anything red or orange yes

[tropic swift]

Jade Rabbit today eh?

[regal gulch]

Yes

[thorny frost]

I might have to test it later for fun anyways. Units who could potentially stall enemies are probably the most useful in later stages. I use Estela a lot and after wave 14/15 her super seems to only do a fraction of health XD.

[regal gulch]

The new gun doesn't seem to do much

[devout void]

i can do like the tan guy saying i out dps an helhest so umeko > helhest

[karmic chasm]

Yep

Across the board

One time my Rossi did 30% more damage than a t6 Helhest so obviously Rossi is just better

[devout void]

gg !

[karmic chasm]

Gg

[true mauve]

Depending on how waves spawn in operation condor it could be helpful in that even

[hard forge]

Thanks for this i have been looking for a character to run bulwark with . I’ve been using ikora or Estella and I mean it works but not as good as I want it too

[hard forge]

Do u think a 65k Rossi can do bulwark

[hidden carbon]

jade rabbit pretty meh

[hard forge]

It’s better than symmetry though

[hidden carbon]

It feels too slow. Better off using total lockdown

[hard forge]

I’ve been using it on tan2 and it’s working for me so far . It’s definatly a good option if u want a power weapon as primary, Polaris is just way better though

[devout void]

bad vs bad

[indigo solar]

Okay I gotta admit this is pretty funny

[indigo solar]

Hmm so just like the tests

[indigo solar]

Power honestly doesn't matter for bulwark, at most you're killing four enemies on wave 2 and the rest is all towers

[true mauve]

Sorry I dont know, I just know I like his Confines and a maxed out Mahamayuri

They coooooked with this Jade Rabbit lookit the range and base dmg stats!!!! Highest base dmg and highest range scout in game 🔥 🐇

Even reload speed is high for a scout comparable to Lassi

Precision bonus on precision bonus is insane

[true mauve]

People have alrdy cata3 and maxed it?

[rich veldt]

I'm gonna be honest I was entirely expecting this thing to not carry over any of the upgrades from the trial version.

[indigo solar]

Aw hell nah random precision damage

[white fossil]

no way, it keeps the trial upgrades when you get it properly?

[rich veldt]

Surprisingly yes

[white fossil]

thats actually fire

[indigo solar]

That's what it said it would do in patch notes

[true mauve]

Haha wow they MADE new kabr just to sell a new BP weapon and Skin for HH. We have 3 BP skins but this one for money matches HH paid outfit

[white fossil]

idk i dont have the time to read patch notes every update unfortunately

might do that later though when im done with my dailies and stuff

[true mauve]

You a lucky man, does Steve like it? Seems like BiS for him im ngl

[indigo solar]

"I never said Kabr would be good. You must be mistaken" --Wu Ming NetEase

[true mauve]

Honestly Jade Rabbit prob for Umeko

[indigo solar]

No

Izi still locked in for her

[true mauve]

For you yes, for me no

[indigo solar]

Jade isn't great for anyone based on the 3 minutes of testing I did

Probably not even good for PvP since precision is random

[devout void]

some people try to persuade us to go mythic sniper in pve

[indigo solar]

40k my beloved

[true mauve]

Im just happy they are adding alot of new weapons tbh of diff elements and types. Finishing out each weapon type with a mythic and exotic for each element

[white fossil]

only sniper rifle i like using tbh

[devout void]

idk if they change it but in Destiny jade rabbit have the worst feeeling if you are close range good luck to win a 1v1, it really only work playing from 300 meters hiding somewhere

[true mauve]

Range is fire so is reload, base dmg is stupid high

Polaris cata bands boost blast dmg and every 4th shot like a bad syncopation perk.
🐇 cata bands boost precision dmg and auto reload rounds.

[indigo solar]

Range doesn't actually do anything to my knowledge unless it affects aim assist cones, every weapon of the same archetype has the same falloff ranges and amounts

Scouts are 50% at 100m iirc

[true mauve]

Noo there is def a diff in shotties. Some fall off at 20-25m some go farther

Same for Old Prefect

Dont joke on me

[indigo solar]

Are you talking falloff or pellets disappearing

[thorny frost]

A lot of units are just a game mode design away from being relevant in all reality. But yea the super only stops the mini bosses not the main boss. But still fun to do XD

[indigo solar]

Also yeah old prefect is special

[true mauve]

Thats still sweet 🔥 It looks cooler from the other side btw 😜

Yes is what I had alot of hopium for is Rossi tech one day. He has a good niche use somewhere

[devout void]

other gun seem cool but for arc expanse this one really feel no damage wish i had syncopation like the void one

[true mauve]

Is that Attal 👀

[devout void]

yes new tech

[true mauve]

Weird lookin shottie

[devout void]

lol

trying something fun

[thorny frost]

They just need to cook with some of the game modes. Don’t need everyone to be fast, just need game modes that encourage different styles and still give good rewards.

[lilac seal]

Brr

[true mauve]

Whaaaat?! Clife is going to play for fun?

[devout void]

even with super boost attal ult feel useless

and slow

[true mauve]

You have her T6?

[devout void]

yes

[true mauve]

Idk if Dmg Bonus Boost helps or not

[devout void]

i use all my red kabr boat for her

[true mauve]

Can you use HH artis on her?

[devout void]

i will go calming + bellicose except taniks find better, weapon ability solar for arbalest

[true mauve]

Hopefully one day

[devout void]

if i had the choice i wanted signature in 4th maybe since super is weak, or maybe pop super and cut it only for boost damage

[true mauve]

Why not RC? You have no team to buff in expanse

[devout void]

i already invest all i have in arbalest

idk someone here tell me arbalest is good on attal

[thorny frost]

Arbalest for Attal might be more consistent too, the reload won’t get rid of her mastery, RC has to hit 0 before getting more ammo so her mastery falls off

[true mauve]

Use Emptt Fort Strat if you have solar subs, even Jaren uses EFS in arc

Why didnt tanniks tell you that part?

[devout void]

what's that

[true mauve]

The Solar mythic HC

[sharp talon]

attal's passive interacts with arbalest interestingly i think, just watch

[thorny frost]

Hope for Cordon. If not then long wait for next attempt probably lol

[devout void]

yea he seem better, even the void one i like their perks, but i need something arc maybe for expanse

but maybe you right since arc handcannon feel so cheap

i waste time using the primary i need the helhest mentality i forgot i can just spam heavy

[true mauve]

Well secret issue with running solar > arc is majority of Attal dmg comes from the boost her wpn mastery applies to LFRs

[devout void]

mobius are a big issue for me i keep deleting everything from useless weapon

[devout void]

crazy

i cant read atm but if you pop ult T6 you have a damage boost right

so you can cut your ult and shoot

[true mauve]

You just want to match your weapon to whatever your element substat of choice is tbh

[true mauve]

30% bonus iirc

[devout void]

ok ok, yea maybe i will go for the good solar handcannon if he is the best, already put mod lvl 10 never enough even after dismantle

[lilac seal]

Pew pew

[true mauve]

Solar substat? Use solar wpns
Arc substat? Use arc wpns
Void yyap yap yap

TLDR it tanniks you been typin a book 😭

[indigo solar]

For attal? Calming token bad, run Chiaroscuro + Valiant Perturbation, 25% damage bonus whenever you heal. I also prefer Obstructing Perturbation instead of Bellicose bc it's a global damage buff instead of weapon but that's not really necessary

[sharp talon]

the best substats, solar/arc/void/vulnerability bonus

[true mauve]

You using TTF and taking advantage of the dmg bonus debuff applied by the void rocket

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-17677779115818009596

[rich veldt]

Eh Jade Rabbit's fine.

[vast arch]

love my rainbow artifacts

[rich veldt]

Is it mind blowingly, earth shatteringly good? No. Does it function? Yes. Good enough.

[indigo solar]

Vuln bonus doesn't apply to the suppression inflicted by TTF

[indigo solar]

48 seconds to do 1/7 of the damage of a single Arby shot

[true mauve]

Is it full max? All its dmg bonus is at end of catalysis boost

[rich veldt]

No you still need to do the 3rd catalyst and remaining 3 nodes yourself.

[true mauve]

Crap, I need to run lego campaigns now

[sharp talon]

jaren god roll 🔥

[true mauve]

Is the skin free?

[rich veldt]

Yeah that is free

[true mauve]

Yessss, ima be in love. Gotta build my Tan2 now for speedruns

[obtuse folio]

Any reason the Pink Jade cosmetic doesnt have the skull? ☠️

[cerulean belfry]

Btw spread damages are counted as body damage, right?

[devout void]

are you baiting me ? but yea maybe Obstructing, but chiaroscuro i cant find in #3, i just want proc the best damage on arbalest

[rich veldt]

Gonna be honest I didn't even notice it wasn't there until you pointed it out.

If I had to guess it's probably the same reason why the vanguard symbol's missing. We're not at that point in the timeline yet. Which sounds a lot better than "Netease just forgor"

[indigo solar]

Not baiting you, you need chiaroscuro (in slot 1) or some other artifact to proc damage resist to make slot 3 perturbation work. Chiaroscuro is always active so I prefer it, and slot 2 should be ring of conversion obviously

[indigo solar]

I mean it's not "NetEase just forgor" bc if they ripped the texture from Destiny then they'd have to intentionally remove it

[empty turtle]

How do you equip this, I can't find it

[indigo solar]

Events

Instantaneous Flash

[empty turtle]

I got the ornament but I can't find it to equip

[indigo solar]

Don't think you can equip on trial version

[empty turtle]

Oh I see

[rich veldt]

You can't

(I tried)

[sharp talon]

holy shifting gates has real players now

[empty turtle]

How did you get the permanent version so fast??

[indigo solar]

Does it or is it like the snowball PvP where it says bots are in queue

[indigo solar]

Challenges

[sharp talon]

nvm its still bots now but now it says it there lol

[empty turtle]

What about the last catalyst?? How do we acquire it??

[rich veldt]

Manually.

(Can't wait to get 2 more jade rabbits)

[sharp talon]

it shows as if theres people in the queue but its all just bots

[empty turtle]

Craftable??

[rich veldt]

As far as I can tell, no. But they'll probably make it craftable after the event's over, if not before.

[inner sinew]

Did they ever get around to fixing the missing lumiflies in assembly plant?

[empty turtle]

I see

Thanks

[rich veldt]

TIL you can connect Kabr^2's shield walls.

[devout void]

oh ok 😂 i know calming is bad for izanagi so you try for arbalest vs obstructing ? rip i had a perfet attal calming

its not too sad to loose 50% healing for her ?

tired of the artifact grind everytime

[indigo solar]

Didn't try arbalest bc I don't unlock it until week 4 but it deals a ton of extra damage from perks/catalyst compared to base, so Calming won't be very effective, even with just catalyst nodes it's only a 31.5% bonus so if you ever shoot a shield or an enemy more than 3x it'll be worse than other options

[indigo solar]

Not really, she's still got plenty. Especially with healing bonus

If you're running ring of conversion you should never fall below 50% anyways

[devout void]

ok fine thanks, maybe one day i will got the good exotic that you said playing cheap attal until that

yea i will put healing tier 10

[devout void]

said that to the hit*** expanse shank that one shoot you

[bold thunder]

What does/doesn't valiant perterbation stack with? It feels like it would take a lot for 25% to be so much better than 46% to be worth taking up a second artifact slot as well

[devout void]

and obstru still better than hawkeye if i play really far ?

[indigo solar]

No, if you stay back Hawkeye is better

[bold thunder]

From my recollection, even on Inverted Fury which has a higher bonus, izi was the only sniper that had a major difference in damage

[dusty spire]

Imo izangi needs a double tap

One of the cats should have been able to hold 2

[devout void]

oh ok, then of course with arba expanse/calam i should stay back

[indigo solar]

Problem is the 46% stacks with weapon perks/catalyst while perturbation (and most other slot 3s) stacks with slot 4 artis

[devout void]

yea and put black spindle perk too

[dusty spire]

Should definitely 2shots in power mode

[bold thunder]

I know, we had this discussion quite a few times back when I still played

[devout void]

ok no more change 🙏 this is god attal selfish damage

[bold thunder]

But the even with inverted fury, if you were running no artifact at all in the 4th slot, they were only equal at like +120% weapon damage buffs

[devout void]

hope one day they "fix" their damage method

[lament nexus]

IS SYMMETRY GOOD FOR INDIAN GUY? IM SWITCHING ROYAL CONTRAVENE TO END OF THE LINE AND TOTAL LOCKDOWN TOO

[rich veldt]

...Indian guy?

[bold thunder]

I thought the consensus we came to was that calming is a lot worse than it looks but not meaningfully worse than alternatives

[lament nexus]

KABR THE RESOLUTE

[indigo solar]

So if you're running Hawkeye, perturbation is a 17% damage boost, so weapon boosts would need to be 172%, and Arby gets nutty damage boosts

[bold thunder]

I was just asking if there was some new tech/knowledge I've missed out on in the admittedly fairly long time I was gone

[indigo solar]

More just that Arby is absolutely insane

Single shot btw vs piercing shinka

[rich veldt]

How long before netease does to it what bungie did to D2's arby?

[indigo solar]

Which admittedly is 3.2x damage but same (bar the 3.2) happens vs solar shields

[devout void]

at this point i should just farm mythic weapon ability solar its too hard get perfect exotic, i dont want use attal ult , only loosing signature

[bold thunder]

Arby gets that many innate damage bonuses? No wonder it's so insane lol

[thin valve]

Arbalest saves attal🙏

[devout void]

the new tech for broke player

[thin valve]

I would not even try expanse with RC

[lament nexus]

SYMMETRY OR ROYAL CONTRAVENE FOR KABR?

[thin valve]

What is this new gun i have not even used it

[indigo solar]

@devout void if you wouldn't mind actually, could you send vid of hitting normal enemy in firing range, then popping piercing shinka and shooting the normal enemy

(Without any artifacts or light links)

[devout void]

ok, i dont have cata 3 btw

[indigo solar]

Arbalest

But out of the two, contravene

[thin valve]

symmetry is ahh

[indigo solar]

That's okay

[zealous pelican]

How bad is jade rabbit

[indigo solar]

Do you have all catalysis nodes

[cerulean belfry]

Looks like someone is making comeback, :p
How's new content treating you?

[bold thunder]

I'm kind of slowly coming back into things, so I haven't played everything yet, but I like it so far

They did a good job with the crota port

And I love bulwark

I like the idea of making endgame expanse more survival focused than speed

[devout void]

like that ?

[devout void]

yes all, i remove link and artifact, lvl 80 weapon

[cerulean belfry]

Yup and it's back. You can try running it. Also, they made bulwark quite difficult to progress in squad mode. But hey, challenge is fun

[bold thunder]

Yeah I feel like it could use some more build diversity, but I like the balance of the wave difficulties

[cerulean belfry]

Only part i dislike is expanse is more banner character specific. But i can understand they need to make money

[bold thunder]

I briefly hopped in to do final boss of crota last week before reset, but I'm planning on running through the full raid later this week

[devout void]

lvl 19 was fine yesterday with people that know what they do (matchmaking) , i didnt try today

[bold thunder]

I like the mechanic changes, feels like it suits the mobile style well

[indigo solar]

Idk why your vids never load for me on mobile T-T lemme grab my laptop rq

[cerulean belfry]

Pull me in too, if you are doing it on weekends

[bold thunder]

Fair enough

[indigo solar]

I can hear the audio but the video doesn't change

[bold thunder]

Probably wouldn't be today anyway, so I'll lyk when I do

[cerulean belfry]

Also, fair play. So not p2w friendly

[bold thunder]

Yeah 18-22 seems to be about my limit in mm with good players, though I really want to see how far the gungnir build can go

[cerulean belfry]

Yeah, definitely.

[bold thunder]

Isn't the fair play mode gone now? I thought that was just for the race

[devout void]

https://streamable. com/w82lz processing

[indigo solar]

got it on laptop

[devout void]

yea the only nice tower for high level i guess

[indigo solar]

hmm 6.25x damage

hold on

that may not stack with catalysis nodes

[cerulean belfry]

They added it back today

[devout void]

waiting before chaos jail

[indigo solar]

calming may actually work with it then

[bold thunder]

Oh interesting

[devout void]

i dont even have 1 obstru or hawkeye to test

[indigo solar]

okay @devout void do you have a calming token with no solar or weapon damage

can be mythic or even purple/blue

[devout void]

probably wait

[indigo solar]

if you do, equip no artifacts besides the calming and shoot a shinka

[indigo solar]

but yeah @bold thunder do you see why I said calming won't be great for it lmao

piercing bubble has innate 5x damage btw so that's a 6.25x boost, not a 31.25x

[devout void]

dont listen the audio

[vast arch]

@devout voidYou can send that via DM or cut the audio please

[devout void]

yea mb just notice, something about dota 2

[indigo solar]

okay yeah for whatever reason, Arby's boosted shield damage actually works properly with calming lmao

[simple plank]

Jrabbit seems okay

[indigo solar]

wait your normal damage worked properly too

hold on did they fix calming

[simple plank]

I’m sure it’ll be a pvp menace as usual

[devout void]

please i dont want farm

[bold thunder]

I'm going to go test it, 1 sec

[indigo solar]

they didn't :( it just works on arby

[bold thunder]

:(

[indigo solar]

at least still doesn't work with mythics anyways

[devout void]

🙏

[indigo solar]

lemme test an exotic

okay it works with exotics now

but seemingly not mythics

unless I goofed

[bold thunder]

Bro 😭

This game confuses me

[devout void]

🔥 lets go, did i still need Churros in #1 now ?

[indigo solar]

wait, still doesn't work with izi

I'm so confused rn

[devout void]

i wanted use blazar, ground or abundance

[indigo solar]

no

[devout void]

crazy clutch

[indigo solar]

why tf does it work properly with arby and QB but not izi or a mythic linear

[open wedge]

scam, but they only stole my materials "three" times o_O

[devout void]

maybe ground or blazar to survive the expanse one shot

[indigo solar]

did they literally hardcode it to work properly with certain guns

[devout void]

so all the helhest going for that ?

[indigo solar]

I think so yeah

I mean if they're standing still

[devout void]

or if they are 2 at least one keep axion ? or no just go damage

[bold thunder]

Without honed edge, it stacks perfectly now (iirc it didn't used to?) so maybe it doesnt stack with minor catalysts anymore?

[indigo solar]

Probably one axion yeah, at least 23% damage boost for the whole team, 40% in super, but other Helhests should run calming

[indigo solar]

But it works properly with RC's +20% major catalyst too, and Arby's intrinsic

[bold thunder]

Bizarre

[devout void]

hard to make a choice for 2, conversion is good but not help the one shot

[indigo solar]

It's not even that it only works properly on newer weapons bc RC was available on launch no?

[indigo solar]

If you use this I recommend using over-the-shoulder ads so you can still see

[bold thunder]

Definitely not stacking correctly with 40k though, I'm getting like half the expected buff which tracks with earlier data

[bold thunder]

Correct (I think)

[indigo solar]

Yep and stacked linearly with EotL as well so it's not even that it works properly for linears

[devout void]

good game

[bold thunder]

Speaking of, did they ever fix the weapon update bug? 💀

[indigo solar]

We joke about Bungie spaghetti code but seriously what is NetEase doing

[indigo solar]

Not sure, I doubt it

But hey at least they have time to patch a haven oob

[devout void]

the priority

[naive ingot]

I'm at 5 times, and still fails.... Like what

[true mauve]

Ots sniper is scope still

Lfr also or atleast RC is

[devout void]

wich helhest should use calming you think ? arbalest

[true mauve]

I have to hipfire Kabr RC on remote to do what HH does on PC

[indigo solar]

Whichever HH is more dps-focused, which is usually the Arby HH to my knowledge yeah

[true mauve]

If I missed a setting somewhere for that it would be great to turn off scope

[indigo solar]

Lame af

[bold thunder]

Yeah worth keeping in mind that calming is precision damage only, so it's better on weapons that can basically guarantee crits (I personally have trouble hitting 100% crits with RC on moving targets)

[true mauve]

Fr, PC has all the advantages. Lookit a whack spray n pray hipfire

Pc does it while in ads

[thorny grail]

you can do it on mobile too

[indigo solar]

Real ones know this is a repost

[white fossil]

true, ive done it too but i imagine its actually just effortless on pc in comparison tbh

[fluid egret]

yoooooo another calamity is back

[random steeple]

depends, i mean in pure dmg arby in calam would have more dmg, because she usually pop shinka and etc
but after that or boss dmg she obvs less dmg

So i think it would mostly depends from run-to-run where u wanna go for calming

it's also a good question about it, would it change amount of shot which u need to hit a target, like would calming help to kill piercing shinka or any major target with lesser amount of shots

if yes, it would be huge

otherwise overall dmg increase would't be so huge unless u go to the boss

[karmic chasm]

Wait hold on, did they add a knockout system??

[simple plank]

Yknow I think I’ve figured out the perfect balance patch for HH

[karmic chasm]

Delete her from the game?

[simple plank]

Make RC triple burst mode actually use 3 ammo

[open wedge]

Yeah, you get +20% everytime you fail.

[karmic chasm]

Honestly makes sense

[karmic chasm]

Was that since yesterday?

[open wedge]

Nope, Season 3 1st day.

[indigo solar]

This kills attal, just nerf Helhest directly

[simple plank]

Attal has Arby now

[thin valve]

No.

[violet sonnet]

Also if RC used 3 Ammo it be dead lmao

You would just use EoL or Arby instead

[indigo solar]

Also if they were to do that, it should be 2 anyways

[violet sonnet]

Damage would be ABYSMALL if it used 3 Ammo

[karmic chasm]

Oh neat. I didn’t experience it bc I got three glows in a row first try 😭

[indigo solar]

So does Helhest

[violet sonnet]

also i wish the decal thing was in s1

im still salty as hell that i missed out on the collection over stupid rng

like 6 upgrades failing, amazing game design we had going

[simple plank]

And the single fire mode on RC would still exist

[indigo solar]

I got everything except the decal 😭

[violet sonnet]

no one would use RC with single fire LMAO

[indigo solar]

Exactly, so why would you use 3 ammo to do like 15% more damage

[violet sonnet]

youd just use arby or eol, no point arguing further

[indigo solar]

Bad balance change 0/10

[simple plank]

Also like, respectfully, who cares about Attal in a meta sense?

[indigo solar]

Respectfully, balance changes shouldn't nerf bad characters

[violet sonnet]

doesnt matter if shes meta or not if your solution to making a char more balanced is a nerf across the board you should never be in charge of that stuff

[karmic chasm]

I had everything but the seal and boycotted it due to shadowshaper

[violet sonnet]

you either buff everyone else or nerf her specifically

[simple plank]

And nerfing her won’t happen without serious backlash

[violet sonnet]

got the seal but not my emblem cause triple layered rng making me miss 1 item (decal)

yeah so you simply buff everyone else

[simple plank]

Updating the entire sandbox is possible but not really feasible with the current scheduling

[violet sonnet]

and then adjust game difficulty overall if needed

[indigo solar]

Womp womp, community opinion < balanced sandbox

Also I feel like a lot of people would actually prefer a Helhest nerf

[violet sonnet]

ima keep it real while i usually agree idk if rising is good enough for that to be a option to netease

given our solution to exploits in the raid was to just give everyone who did it legit emblem

[strange sand]

so how are people handling 3P endless today? That's looking like a wild combo of modifiers and enemies

[simple plank]

Also tbh HH can work around more ammo being used, she has ammo gen

[indigo solar]

Stone hoof, anesthesia, Muqam, same as always

[violet sonnet]

you still just wouldnt use RC then

[indigo solar]

But there's no point, she has other guns and even single fire mode on QB. All this does is nerf her damage by like 5%

[tight talon]

[indigo solar]

It doesn't make her use more ammo it just makes nobody use burst mode

[tight talon]

Y'all slander Attal and never use her in first place cause of HH

[simple plank]

I think if the triple burst mode was balanced to use 3 ammo but do more damage than it even does now, it would be a good balance trade

[indigo solar]

QB's burst and single shot modes are very well-balanced already

[tight talon]

And now Steve

[indigo solar]

Both have their uses

[simple plank]

From what I can tell, who the hell uses single burst for any reason when triple is just better

[indigo solar]

This would just end up being a buff to Helhest then, since to make it worthwhile on other characters without ammo generation, it would be even stronger for Helhest with ammo

[simple plank]

There’s no trade off

[violet sonnet]

I use Single for AoE in trivial content

[tight talon]

Single burst is purely for swarm of red bars. Use it in Bulwark

[indigo solar]

Single is great for AoE

Esp when there's a single major surrounded by ads

Or for when you have boosts to a single damage instance, like Steve's barrier

[simple plank]

But it’s not triple burst

[indigo solar]

Okay?

[simple plank]

ESP when HH and Kabr both have AoE in their kit

Why use single ever

Attal too if I’m not wrong

[indigo solar]

More AoE

And Steve's AoE is pathetic

Attal has a ricocheting missile every 12 seconds that deals 2 damage

Single shot was meta for Morgran for instance

Also useful in certain expanse stages

And Steve

[tight talon]

HH and AoE? In the same sentence? STEVE as well?

[simple plank]

But triple is just far and away meta, and used to abuse far more than the gimmick single can bring from using your primary or abilities

[simple plank]

Yep, chain lightning and rockets

[indigo solar]

Depends on context

[simple plank]

Kabr’s aoe is really good when I use him with Arby

[indigo solar]

Chain lightning once per second dealing less than a shot and rockets that tickle the enemy

[karmic chasm]

I do wish Kabr’s laser was stronger to justify using him instead of Hel. I love Kabr

[indigo solar]

Don't ever let bro cook again

[simple plank]

Looool I hope the single dev takes a look at the chat today

[devout void]

an other week without jarren and boring impact

[violet sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[empty kettle]

Give us a new support character to power creep the previous one

[simple plank]

Triple ammo use for even more dmg and better AoE on single could be a good balance for HH spam

[tight talon]

a) base ability on both Steve and HH barely do anything. Hardly 1/3rd HP on a Red bar.

b) Supers? Sure but that's still a single targetting Super with a main target getting hit and any other thing accidentally walking into radius.

c) HH Salvo ability is true AoE, that I agree. But there are elitists out here who would rather save it for main orange bars

[devout void]

die 4 times to lvl 39 but can do 0 death with the strat now

[indigo solar]

This is literally either a buff to Helhest or a nerf to every other linear char and Helhest remains largely unchanged

QB is not what makes her overpowered

[autumn bough]

Is it me of Jade Rabbit feels very meh

[cyan tide]

150 rpm is just so damn slow

[tight talon]

It's just a gun that was there in Beta that got released lol

[autumn bough]

Not his place in this PvE game, catalysts bands don't even make it more viable

[karmic chasm]

Yea for sure if they buffed the damage slightly. Bc otherwise it would simply make triple burst worse

[tight talon]

And worse I think it's a PvP scout

In a gamemode that bans catalysts

[indigo solar]

Yes, and may not even be good for PvP bc headshot damage is random

[simple plank]

Honestly makes sense

[autumn bough]

bodyshot perks like voodoo (or body counter smth?) mod thing is just meh here

[karmic chasm]

But I’m with you man. Helhest being definitively better than Kabr in almost all content is upsetting haha. I have T4 Kabr. I want to use the guy more

Also everyone send a prayer to your chosen deity that I get a double pull and get T6 Kabr

[indigo solar]

Your options are to make QB do more damage on a character with infinite ammo or just make her use a different gun that deals like 95% of the damage. Both nerf other chars that don't need nerfs, neither one addresses the core issues of Helhest's dominance, which is that she grants significant speed and damage boosts to the whole team while dealing massive damage herself and generating heavy

[tight talon]

I think deity doesn't give an eff about your gambling opportunity

[dusk hemlock]

i find using him a lot of fun. i dont have helhest leveled in the slightest lol

[tight talon]

(I started replacing the word problem with opportunity)

[karmic chasm]

To be honest, yea

[tight talon]

Ig a proper nerf would be stack generation being sliced in 0.5 by teammates. That could hurt her heavy regen a bit to balance.

[indigo solar]

Nerf stack generation and remove damage drones

Let her focus on being a support char

And let other damage boosting chars shine

[oak kettle]

1/4 on truly maxing out helhest

[indigo solar]

There's zero reason to generate heavy while also providing the highest damage boost in game

[dusk hemlock]

holy cow

[indigo solar]

I understand this type of nerf is never happening tho

[strange sand]

Yesterday, I kept running into random Bulwark teammates who threw the match after the first wave. Finally got a team that made it to Wave 15 and one of them dismantled all his towers because he thought REACHING wave 15 earned you the Wave 15 weekly chest... so we lost and didn't get the final chest...

[devout void]

what happen when we have take -100% damage

[tight talon]

I mean I would lowkey agree.

My view is, her drones time gets cut to half, and they attach to teammates for a duration (aka follow them like an Arc Soul), and new drones can't be deployed until timer runs out or drone HP goes down.

Stack generation really hard to pull it off

[indigo solar]

Still, nerf her damage drones 50%, reduce bonus salvo damage, remove drone energy refunds, leave heavy generation the same would be a fair balance pass imo

[oak kettle]

slot 4 also is quad gold so that's next on the power upgrades, at the same time as farming quad gold on slot 1 and 2

which are currently 3 gold 1 silver

[wide dagger]

Wasn’t ring artifacts fhe best for her ?

[true mauve]

Only like my 10th time

[bitter estuary]

balls

[indigo solar]

Axion is a 23/32/40% boost to the whole team

[tight talon]

Only for 1 and 2 iirc

Tho Warding/Resonating Axion look spicy for me

[wide dagger]

Damn it l already used all my stuff to upgrade all rings to 85

[indigo solar]

Warding is just worse than inspiring axion

And conversion is a lock

[oak kettle]

abundance conversion and united axon are fixed, 4th slot is bellicose planet or confined axon depending on range iirc

[indigo solar]

Not only doubles your EHP but also grants increased damage bc you can run maru light link

[devout void]

artifact ground and unrealing + jolder i count take -94% dmg but i guess its no easy the game have a limit ? @indigo solar

[indigo solar]

Damage resistance is multiplicative, not additive

[tight talon]

Undaunted Blazer? Incase of 2 being Conversion

[indigo solar]

50% DR + 50% DR = 75% DR

[oak kettle]

im personally doing bellicose cus that works at all ranges so jaren players wont whine at my drones being far away

[devout void]

oh ok thanks

[tight talon]

Tho placement to generate Overshields lowkey easiest to get skill issues on

[devout void]

so can you have 100% DR ? then do you really take 0 damage lol

[indigo solar]

25% DR vs 32% from Axion, if you're going for DR Axion is the way to go

[tight talon]

Alright

[indigo solar]

No, you can't have 100% DR. The more DR you add the less % it adds, but it always adds the same survivability

[tight talon]

Hypothetically, you can never reach 100% DR.

[karmic chasm]

Just make Kabr do a Kabrillion damage and I’ll be ok

[indigo solar]

Every 50% DR source you add doubles your health, but you could have 20 different sources and it would still only be 99.999904% DR

[oak kettle]

you can never reach 100. Turn them into decimals, subtract each dr source from 1, multiply them together, subtract that result from 1 and turn it back into a % and that's the dr you get. No way to multiply 2 numbers above 0 and get 0, so it can't ever reach true 100%

[tight talon]

Perhaps if entire APAC/NA/EMEA/LATAM got on RSR and everyone creates some form of Team DR, we could prolly get one person to take 1 HP damage

[true mauve]

Check expanse board👀

[short locust]

This reminds me of playing Chroma in Warframe, stacking so much armor he has like 99.6% DR

[indigo solar]

Only like 15 people can stay rendered in a zone, even if you forced people in with fireteam abuse idk if they could properly affect the chosen one

[indigo solar]

Finnala can hit 95.6% DR last I checked

[karmic chasm]

Wdym 😭
Helhest is still number 1

[pulsar coral]

Okay gang, maybe going for T5 Kabr. How’s my math look??

[short locust]

Unfortunately, chroma actually did damage too

[true mauve]

Expanse just started, kabr has hope

[random steeple]

they just need nerf salvo (damage or stacks, i prefer dmg) and hh would be ok
or remove speedbonus from drone

[true mauve]

Like you have 2 more months to get it

[indigo solar]

IMO the bigger nerf needs to be to either damage boost or heavy generation, she needs to focus on one

[true mauve]

Just double the charge time on all LFR, Arby and RC could take the hit

[pulsar coral]

Only 26 days as of tomorrow

[karmic chasm]

Nah I know. I’ll try to do some good runs on him maybe. Maybe. I’m known to be lazy.

[true mauve]

⏲️ flies when havin fun

[pulsar coral]

My main question is, am I forgetting any lumia leaves sources?

1,500 for calamity was a estimate

[true mauve]

Nuu not saying you have to. Just showing Kabr has that validity now since I doubted you this morning and i was wrong 🤣

[random steeple]

Could be a way also!

I mean there is 2 issue from my perspective:

• too many tools and options on hh
• and big dmg at same time

so nerf something of it, remove some of tools like dmg/speed/heavies or decrease dmg significant to make it really utility of everything instead of dmg dealer

[pulsar coral]

5 free draws on monthly reset!

[rain condor]

I could never get into playing Chroma

[oak kettle]

I think i might be high enough power but eh, can always go higher

[random steeple]

u don't need more power then 75300

max is 76k, but it's almost useless in current gameplay modes, if u reached 75300 it's already maximum avaliable benefits from power
so you can keep optimize build/attributes and etc if u need it, but power, not that need

[short locust]

Oh most ppl couldn't, he's boring as hell and half his kit is useless

[oak kettle]

very true, but also, funny number go up

[rain condor]

Nova will always be my first choice especially after her rework

[short locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712091265424031795/1290722139518931067/image0.gif

[devout void]

i think 74 340 is the cap in calam ?

[rain condor]

Though I have to say Rhino is a close second because of his kit

[karmic chasm]

We all learnin along the way. Kabr is simply fun

[short locust]

I havnt played WF in a while since I got bored of the power creep but I loosely kept up with it

[rain condor]

I try to get back into it every so often but the different grind with each update just feels bad

[hasty ocean]

In All honest thoughts on the new Exotic Jade Rabbit I thinks it's mid at best

[short locust]

I didn't care too much about that, but there's no reason for me to do it. For what? Another flavor of "lemme 1 shot everything within 30m"? I'm good

[rain condor]

All I really have to do is MR grind but trying to farm specific parts in relic missions is so BORING. My rhino build carries me as far as I care to go in hard content

[tight talon]

@indigo solar is this good Gwwyny build?

I hope it brings her up to date. Any suggestions?

[karmic chasm]

@true mauve did you get relegated

[hasty ocean]

Yh that's a decent build but the artifact attributes could be more optimised

[short locust]

I like tismo tinkering with builds and interactions, but I just got so damn bored

[rain condor]

Tinkering is fun and all but if you’re not running the updates meta you’re really missing out

[tight talon]

Not that great. Just gonna look for better substats when I get them

[pulsar coral]

Why this number specifically, which content?

[short locust]

Oh I called the Xata/Lash + Blast meta literally over 6 months before it was discovered. Getting things to work is easy, damn near anything can blow up the tileset with some creativity

[hasty ocean]

I recommend this for Gywn Melee resistance, shield boost, Defence boost, Weapon enhancement and recovery

[bitter estuary]

i quite like this skin ngl

[hasty ocean]

Decent skin but Mid Weapon

[tight talon]

It's missing a skull

[rain condor]

I might have to get back into Warframe and try that lol

[short locust]

Some things never change

[short locust]

We love quadruple dipping Roar subsume

[bold thunder]

why did it have to be on nocturne 😭

[bitter estuary]

its worse than the lassi so far but i havent unlocked cat band 01 and cat boost 4 so idk

[hasty ocean]

Bro let's be honest here it could if it had better Catalysts

[indigo solar]

5 free from dust*
Minimum 2 from crystals, up to 5 depending on where your minor pool progress is and how many t6 4* you have

That leaves at most 49 draws

Blessing: 2430, not 2340 (27 more days to claim it) +300 if it expires before then
Bounty: 1620
Pack challenges: 200
Expanse: 560 next cycle + however much left from this cycle
Calamity: 1500 ig, idk where you're at but make sure to include rank up leaves as well as settlement leaves
Updates: 600
Shifting gates: 120
Bulwark ops: 400 (3 more weeks, so max is lv 90)
Cats: ~25
Shop refresh: 90
NGP: 30
Total: at least 6075 + this cycle's expanse + calamity, so prob around 7700, enough for 43 draws. You'll most likely be able to get him

[devout void]

that's a lot of ressources for kabr

[rain condor]

That’s another thing I have to do, I still have to feed the blob all my spare warframes 🫩

[short locust]

Should've been a more interesting weapon period imo, ignoring the fact that it plays too similarly to Polaris. How can we already be repeating weapon playstyles when there's so few weapons in the game??

[hasty ocean]

Im just annoyed how the Ornament skins for Arbalest are all mid but the one behind the paywall is actually Peak

[gritty rune]

So, jade rabbit … doesn’t seem that great?

[tight talon]

It's there for whenever actual PvP drops

Or maybe Umeko can run it

[hasty ocean]

It's a meh but it's good if u have a built Umeko

[gritty rune]

Why is it good in PvP?

[tight talon]

Long time no see

[urban quail]

I’m Umeko main, so jade rabbit it is huh

[tight talon]

Prolly just free ammo reload that it gives

And lower RPM so you aren't reloading

[hasty ocean]

It's probably best for Umeko's dmg output since she debuffs alot

And refund the mag with precision shots

[urban quail]

Imma go read jade rabbit’s stuff, I’ll be back

[random steeple]

idk, to be honest i think paid one is same bad

[bold thunder]

what makes jade rabbit specifically good on umeko compared to res kabr or tan?

[gritty rune]

The paywalled one is just another recolor lol

[hasty ocean]

ARBALEST

[random steeple]

i think that's not even ornament troubles, just arbalest is bad in design 🙃
maybe not even bad ... just boring idk

[hasty ocean]

That one is actually Peak

[gritty rune]

Idk I like the first one

[random steeple]

agree

[hasty ocean]

Yh true

[gritty rune]

The paid arby just doesn’t feel worth it given it’s just a lazy recolour

[indigo solar]

I admittedly don't have her but my understanding was bellicose veil was BiS 3rd slot, tho perturbation could be quite good as well
4th slot valiant veil or bellicose blazar
Offense attributes sig, weapon, void, ability
Defense attributes defense, elemental, melee, healing or overshield

[tight talon]

The free ammo reload. Kabr can run Symmetry that has way better returns along with Arby/EoL being right there. Tan you don't wanna skip Total Lockdown on him

[gritty rune]

900 silver is way too much for it.

That should have been a dust cost lol

[devout void]

they should add perks on p2w skin

[hasty ocean]

Should've have been added into the season engrams instead

[indigo solar]

Polaris has free ammo reload as well, and Umeko should run Izzy

[true mauve]

Decals fr

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[bold thunder]

isn't umeko the character that cares the least about ammo refunds because of her reload speed buffs though? If anything I always thought of total lockdown as being specifically good on her not tan, because it reloads so often

[indigo solar]

Jade rabbit is DoA just like it was in alpha

[thin valve]

Considering that other ones are so bad, that skin looks solid so i had to get it

[true mauve]

Waiting 1hr 33 minz 😭

[short locust]

Doesn't Umeko benefit more from the multishot on the Mythic scout, unlike Tan?

[karmic chasm]

What do you use on him? I’m using RC until I get the final Cat on Arby

[tight talon]

Aww . Maybe Ikora 5* should bring her to rerun and hopefully you can get her

I ran Bellicose Veil before. But in use her damage with weapons is pretty bad. Both with peashooters and shotgun

I'll check out Perturbation/Valiant Veil/Blazer. Thanks

[gritty rune]

Don’t you need to body shot to free reload on jade rabbit

[karmic chasm]

Where were you at the end of last night tho? Unchanged? I didn’t make it to unchanged

[errant narwhal]

I was 3k away from unchanged lol

[bold thunder]

I'm going to play with jade for a while because new weapon, but nothing about it stands out to me as particularly appealing in pve

[short locust]

Neither did I ahem

[rich burrow]

Any suggestions on where to find builds?

[true mauve]

Uhhhh my artifact build is everywhere and not a single scout or lfr exotic weapon is built

[gritty rune]

And idk, is it worth running over izanagi on umeko?

[hasty ocean]

Nah Precision shots

[karmic chasm]

My bad vro 🥀

[true mauve]

I think we dropped with you

[tight talon]

My idea is There's a clear difference between having ammo refunded from shooting the weapon vs using ability to reload a weapon quicker.

Analogy here is, you never use her Invis unless it's to reload 40k cause you are dropping Izzi for this.

[indigo solar]

No, it just has triple tap

[true mauve]

How is symmetry not goated? Its 2nd cata thing adds fire rate

[indigo solar]

No

[bold thunder]

I mean the ability recharge is so fast I just use it all the time tbh

[karmic chasm]

My brotha
It’s ok tho you got T6 Jaren

[bitter estuary]

ngl i rather go for lassi+izi atp

[gritty rune]

That tooltip is really misleading if the reload doesn’t need body shot lol

[tight talon]

Ngl total Lockdown is better than Lassi but puts her in solar scout

[bold thunder]

I'm more thinking is there a reason to use jade over polaris if you're running an exotic primary

[indigo solar]

Yeah every 3 precision shots re-procs fate of all fools and refunds 1 ammo

Meanwhile Polaris refunds with every precision shot

[karmic chasm]

Goofy ahh

[true mauve]

Likely was showing me some stuff last night, my Jaren build is also 🧱 because I need Sig substat not Super just like my Rossi build (if I ever randomly get the arti for Rossi will try him again)

[tight talon]

I don't even believe that Polaris "3x debuffed" counts actually stacks with Umeko's 3x Shurikens

[bold thunder]

Idk I'm going to try it for a while anyway and see how it feels, maybe the damage buff is substantial

[gritty rune]

Wait, what, why the tooltip so vague lol

[indigo solar]

"Chain precision shots to...return ammo to the magazine"

[bold thunder]

I assumed it counted as 1 debuff

[true mauve]

2 ammo on 2nd band

[bitter estuary]

both tl and lassi better than fang atleast

like you only use fang for arc coverage ngl

[gritty rune]

But the way it’s worded makes it sound like, chain precision hits > body shot> get ammo refund

[bold thunder]

actually I assumed it counted as 2 - vulnerability and confine

[tight talon]

100% agree.

[bitter estuary]

and at band 1 it refunds 2 ammo which... ok it's still not good

[karmic chasm]

Yea I got rid of super on Rossi. I didn’t on Jaren bc I don’t care that much lol

[true mauve]

Symmetry is Goat

[tight talon]

Confined is Vulnerability for Umeko I think

[indigo solar]

Nah then it would be
"Chain precision shots to gain bonus damage and return ammo to the magazine on your next body shot"

It does two things, one of them happens on your next body shot

[bold thunder]

Idk I'd love to hear people's thoughts on jade once we've played around with it for a bit, I wouldn't mind another new exotic for my main

[bold thunder]

interesting, worth testing later

[indigo solar]

Meanwhile Polaris refunds 1 per 1, and they even fixed it so perfect fifth rounds reload now so it's truly infinite

[gritty rune]

I feel a better wording would be ‘every 3 precision shots refunds 1 ammo and boosts the damage of the next body shot’

[calm vortex]

Oddly enough the trait for Jade Rabbit says after chain precision shots landing a body shot returns ammo to the mag but it doesnt seem to work?

[indigo solar]

Yeah but alas

[indigo solar]

This is literally what the convo is about right now, chaining precision shots returns ammo to the mag and boosts body shot

[bitter estuary]

time to burn engrams on it then lmao

[indigo solar]

Ammo isn't refunded when landing body shot, you get 1 every 3 precision shots

(Or 2 per 3 with catalyst)

[gritty rune]

It’s just worded vague and kind of badly it seems

But overall, it just feels like a mediocre gun that’s not worth using on anyone

[tight talon]

It's a PvP gun that dropped before actual unrestricted PvP mode drops

[karmic chasm]

Is it tho

[tight talon]

[empty turtle]

Ngl, I enjoy using it

[gritty rune]

Arbalest is generally better damage unless you need spreads

[pulsar coral]

Yes sir!! I’m pulling for him. #letsgo

[gritty rune]

Symmetry is kind of weird where i guess it’s meant for kabr but it’s alt fire’s role is kind of already captured by his sig ability

[pulsar coral]

Little trick up my sleeve 😏 for T6

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[urban quail]

Jade Rabbit is interesting on paper, I’d like to see gameplay of a fully built one, looks like it’s gonna do a lot of damage

[gritty rune]

I’ve no idea what they intend jade rabbit to be for in the game as it is though. Free half built exotic I guess?

[true mauve]

As much as a primary does atleast

[short locust]

Keeps F2P happy because it's sorta free

[gritty rune]

It is completely free

[indigo solar]

Good for whenever you cast a new barrier tho to boost a lv 20 explosion

Deals more than linear shot bc scouts get higher buffs from mastery

[gritty rune]

True true

Now let’s see Sunshot Netease

[empty turtle]

I mean isn’t every exotic kinda free

[true mauve]

1.5x LFR < 2x scout?

[gritty rune]

BP exotics (ie most of them):

[short locust]

Yeah but the perception is better when they hype it up like a generous event. Gatcha is all about gaslighting people anyway

[empty turtle]

They are free tho, just takes a lot of time to get

[empty turtle]

Yeah you’re right

[true mauve]

(I think it already worked)

[gritty rune]

I wonder how good it is at adds clearing, cos that would be useful for Jaren

[indigo solar]

2.8x scout vs 1.8x LFR, and it does buff a symmetry alt shot which A) deals tons of damage and B) also deals AoE

[calm vortex]

Jade Rabbit has a massive shot damage buff but thats kind of all it has and its not even consistent ranging from a 60% to ~115% buff, at least Symmetry can supplement a characters AoE

[short locust]

Always does, people are bots

[dusty spire]

Amazing to add to the collection

[true mauve]

You adding wpn mastery in as well? Whats the ani delay on casting barrier, it prob does line up both wpn mastery procs

[indigo solar]

"Good for whenever you cast a new barrier tho to boost a lv 20 explosion"

[karmic chasm]

That prolly what I’ll do if I can get T5 from the current banner! I love Kabr

[indigo solar]

Weapon mastery was the whole point

[true mauve]

Need T6 to boost 2 in a row 😜

[short locust]

Lmao. Jade is as interesting as watching paint dry

[indigo solar]

Also barrier can be animation cancelled btw

[true mauve]

It has 2 diff cooldowns, its possible if barrier ani is fast enough you wont double stack the wpn mastery unless actively trying or not shooting

[calm vortex]

I do wish Symmetry's scout rifle buff lasted a little longer so it could get through an entire mag of explosive shots instead of falling off halfway lol

[tight talon]

Btw Tanik's, Gwwyn can only trigger Valiant Perturbation (IIIrd Artifact in her Super), outside of it she just gets DR from her movement abilities.

If I had to explain her abilities, the spinning ability recharges quicker due to picking up Void spirits but her movement ability stays untouched on a permanent cooldown

[true mauve]

Could be he isnt being optimal played, i didnt know they stacked

[abstract cedar]

[short locust]

[indigo solar]

Barrier anim is nearly zero

[abstract cedar]

[indigo solar]

I think they originally planned for it to have up to 15 shots, and the catalyst node would give it 20 but then they reworked it to just boost the shots and forgot to change some values