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[karmic chasm]

Nah they are two very separate people lol

[worldly hazel]

They have a camping warning in this game?

[short remnant]

They warn when an enemy light bearer enters like the same zone as you.

[twilit owl]

Let me have my dreams 😤

[worldly hazel]

Oh in SG

[twilit owl]

Sometimes; I've found it inconsistent recently

[past flame]

Yesterday 💀💀

[short remnant]

If I am camping and third person peeking I have advantage if they walk around looking for me. If we both camp then we both waste time

[past flame]

90mins calamity run

[karmic chasm]

Whyyyyy

[twilit thistle]

I got u, check ur discord dms. Gemini 3 pro knew everything.

[short remnant]

Nono it's the opposite, it's a warning to tell the campers that someone is coming.

[short remnant]

I think(?) it only appears if someone enters the zone you are in, and not if you enter a zone which someone else is in.

[past flame]

The guy was afk first 2mins because things didn’t go his way so he wanted us to leave first and we didn’t 💀 ik it ain’t worth it but meh i went to take a shower and was afk

[karmic chasm]

No they’ll see one for you too

[short remnant]

So how do they fall for the corner camp ambush like 90% of the time wtf

[twilit thistle]

If it’s kabr ikora or wolf using blue guns they are bots. There are always 3 teams of bots.

[twilit owl]

Seems I only get a warning if someone enters the zone I'm in. I get no warning if I enter an already occupied zone

[thorny frost]

I thought it was always distance based for the warning. I use the mini map tho most of the time to know where people are.

[karmic chasm]

Jaren’s signature one needs a big buff against lightbearers

It it tickles them

[twilit thistle]

The meta is to farm them. They eat the data they pick up tho, so the challenge is to kill all 3 in a way that they don’t pick up each others data. Just watch out for the combo of 3 ikoras. While easy to farm, at the end, during double drops… expect a triple synchronized novabomb of destruction to head your way.

[short remnant]

Also for the light linked guardians thing, does it still work if it shows the red circle and says "not easy to activate"??

So you can use estella and wolf or something on Umeko and the game is just jebaitng you with the warning.

[bitter estuary]

since jaren is mid how much lower in percentage do you think the game will make this month y'all?

i think it'd be 50% higher than nov at MAX or 40% lower than nov

[wide dagger]

Gosh I’m tweaking , I can’t finish the expanse 30 with 66k power maru ,

[twilit thistle]

Well it’s certainly not trending upwards.

[thin valve]

what 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[short remnant]

brush spam shield to print comets and use cannonballs you literally can't die

[thin valve]

and u r surprised?

[bitter estuary]

i see 0 ads anywhere

even on youtube which usually i see a lot of gacha game ads there

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[wide dagger]

No , I’m just trying my best , just the last boss fight is annoying hehe

[thin valve]

Im at stage 39 with 72k maru i dont have nerves to spam shield

[wide dagger]

I’m trying 😭 😭 still dies

[thin valve]

My clan just dropped game lol. Need active emea pack

[wide dagger]

Bec it’s tooo easy or ?

[thin valve]

Its not hard when u ability spam. I just dont like that kinda gameplay

[twilit thistle]

Well, it flopped post release. Likely needs some new management or something similar.

[wide dagger]

Can u give me ur artifacts build Pwease

[thin valve]

everything blazar

My maru build is trash

[true mauve]

It didnt say anything about contracts, and it didnt state what the shifting shrine was specifically. I just reviewed the 10 minute tutorial, the shifting shrine is where the prime anomaly resides like I said 😜 I will continue to test what "contracts" are

[thin valve]

I have maxed weapon enhancement on her lol.

[true mauve]

These are the old speedmaps from pre-season that @karmic chasm was referring to. Also working on an update for them.

[karmic chasm]

As soon as you do, dm me. I’m becoming quite the shifting enjoyer even if I’m bad

[thin valve]

shifting gates aint that deep

[twilit thistle]

Ye the game modes way of conveying information is horrible. Like how during a loading screen it tells u what the modifier is. If u miss it, ur screwed. I stopped looking tbh.

[true mauve]

Its not about being deep, its about showing players its not all hardcore PvP and can be a fun competitive mode to see who collects the most data. It is PvEvp after all

[karmic chasm]

I just started following the Ning player, and that’s how I learned

I will always go for the prime anomaly when I get the chance. Overall, I’m finally seeing how it’s an improvement over Gambit

Corndog, did you try Rossi with the bow buff yet?

[twilit owl]

I feel that map is what you naturally start doing after playing your first 10 or so games

[true mauve]

Its fun man no denying it, i think half of the issue are peoples misconceptions about the game mode itself. The word PvP drives them off before they even begin.

[true mauve]

Its good! 2 shots, 1 head 1 body

[karmic chasm]

Ok nice

[twilit thistle]

If u PvP in this season of shifting gates, normally you lose. If not that match, the next match when SBMM kicks in and it’s like 10 hrs to get in. Farm bots, not other players

[true mauve]

Beginner stuff man 😜 pros already know. Have to get people interested and involved. PvE players like having plans and guides and videos to reference.

[karmic chasm]

Yea I get stomped by wolf players

[true mauve]

Im seriously curious how a top Cal Ops 3man premade would handle speedfarming SG, I bet it comes out closer than we think

[twilit thistle]

If it’s the same ones I know of, it’s also bc they have been known to team, to boost their rank faster.

[karmic chasm]

Not if they suck at PvP

[true mauve]

You can avoid PvP, bots dont count speedrunners can tag them easy

[karmic chasm]

“suicideax” or something?

[karmic chasm]

I enjoy the PvP elements. Feels good to wipe a team

[true mauve]

Also a 3man premade usually wins a 3v1 or 3v2, they can steamroll if grouped

[worldly hazel]

BIS artis for Jaren?

T0 Jaren***

[twilit thistle]

Idk that one. It’s in the higher ranks, if it’s a low player count for the day u know they are going to be teaming. I have recordings of this.

[worldly hazel]

T1* I’m slow in the head

[true mauve]

I will group with anyone idc, just beware I drag yall up to top50 matches not the opposite way

[twilit thistle]

What those players do is get the others to time out, then join with 3 fireteams. I’ve seen them doing it. Literally. They take turns being #1.

[karmic chasm]

A little more training on Jaren and I will be ready

[true mauve]

My shotty was on point today

[worldly hazel]

I’ll drag you up to top 12 pal

[true mauve]

Id release clips but i dont want drama. It was against a pseudo friend/rival 🤣

[karmic chasm]

I will get T1 Jaren if it’s the last thing I do. I have this ocd thing where my mythic mains have to be T1 or higher

[twilit thistle]

😭 I can’t wait to finish my finals.

[true mauve]

Pls do, Cal Ops?

[true mauve]

Rossi Complex fr

[worldly hazel]

My Cal ops rank is low I won’t lie haha

[mental dagger]

i did not have a single match where the strategy of just move as soon as you can and hunt real people failed me

[karmic chasm]

And for that reason, Gwynn and Estela got dumped

[true mauve]

Prob beats me lol 💀

[karmic chasm]

The goal with him was T4, when he comes back, T6

[worldly hazel]

It does help him so much more. I just don’t know what artifacts are best

[mental dagger]

also jared is insane in shifting
15m instakills and 3 tap 140

[true mauve]

Fr fr im sitting on T2 😭

[true mauve]

Yet to meet one, he feels subpar

[mental dagger]

while also being great at clearing out ads on your way to hope for a brick and charge the dmg buff for 30 motes

[mental dagger]

definetly higher skill floor than just ning, wolf or maru but he can do insane stuff if you hit your shots

realistically umeko oneshotting everything with charged black body is still better though

[twilit thistle]

Ning kinda closes that gap. It really depends on rank too. The higher end ones are more punishing.

Ex: If you spawn with a team opposite u, that means somewhere there are 2 teams of bots, and 1 real team against 1 team of bots. The team you aren’t killing ends up in first place.

[mental dagger]

most of the time we spawn with bots so we just farm them untill we can leave to hunt real people

im done with shifting for now though, only took like 2 weeks to get last 2 bosses for gild

jared is defo fun

[true mauve]

Not about skill floor, its about what he can and cant do and Maru is a hard stopper against his slow shots

Ning still dances him

[mental dagger]

maru is surprisingly punishable actually as long as you survive a single shield raise

[past flame]

I wouldn’t recommend 🤣 i wasted 90mins of my time and his time and then finished the match so we both lost the attempt

[twilit thistle]

How did you even manage to go 35/0

[mental dagger]

ning gets onetapped by the shotty
shotty+dodge nade at worst

[twilit thistle]

That’s very impressive

[mental dagger]

just perma chase people who are trying to change the zones away from you while farming bots as you go

[true mauve]

Ning gets the back, or keeps cover. Nobody should ever be standing still it is constant jumps and dashes

[tight talon]

Why the hell do bots from this server keep sending fren req to me

[devout void]

Anyone top calam can do the same in SG , they have thumb, most of the good player are old pvp from destiny

[mental dagger]

if they dont run kill them
if they do you will keep ending up in zones with multiple bots and or real teams

[true mauve]

SG is more than mindless shooting, but nobody wants to put effort into it

[mental dagger]

having to camp campus icefields and then just icefields was annoying as hell though
doing the bosses triumph is abysmal

especially when they just dont count

[true mauve]

There are alot of characters who are bad 1v1 but when grouped they shine real well. You dont need 3 meta on a team if you stay grouped

[twilit thistle]

It’s just a showcase of how your skill translates to PvP. Very impressive.

[mental dagger]

deadass took me 2 weeks to see walker and ogre just for them to spawn back to back

[devout void]

Idk NA but here i never see someone outgun me in SG for a full game or win because of that

People are very casual even in the best rank

Maybe I can loose if I cant find these "good sg" player. And except here we never see their name on other activities

[mental dagger]

attal gets sold and i have every single title

[final pulsar]

Aye yooooooo! 35-0 is crazy!

[devout void]

For destiny it was different

Good pve player totally s u c k in pvp

Top pvp player can easily do any pve , day one, low man

[true mauve]

Server merge one day and we can all have fun playing people our skill level. If you play against baddies you dont learn as much and get sloppy. You play against goodies you learn quick, and refine skill.

The top50 boys deff taught me I didnt know positioning as good as I thought

Now I dance like them

[devout void]

I dont take it very seriously ngl, but when we are boring its fun to sweat and callout in SG 🤣 this game is not very balanced, the netcode and gunfight can be weird sometime

[mental dagger]

Jared is like the only somewhat d2 feeling playstyle

[true mauve]

Its over in .5 seconds some fights

[devout void]

Yes last word , dodge, shotty ape hip fire

Very fun

[mental dagger]

Last word sucks without stacks
Arc hc is the method

[devout void]

I dont expect much from a mobile game, of course the pvp will never feel smooth like d2

[icy rapids]

Have you found the mythic HC to be better than TLW? I can’t seem to hit my shots with TLW to save my life in pvp. The other hc’s I do fine with. Weird

[devout void]

But yea i forgot for pvp the arc mythic is better

[true mauve]

One day

[devout void]

Just fun to last word, my shot register better and good range with the arc

[true mauve]

Fire rate. Last word shoots to fast to track enemy in movement. The delay between shots on mythic allows faster reticle movement

[mental dagger]

It doesnt even feel like theres a reward for actually hitting the shots with tlw
While arc hc feels consistent
In shifting with black body you just 3 tap ppl whenever you have any buff at all after a dodge, probably if you have fully stacked dmg bonus from cones as well

Arc shotgun is just insane with spinosaurus
A better slug

[true mauve]

Has decent range too for a shotty and spino let's it precision shot for bonus dmg

[mental dagger]

In shifting it maps people
In meddley it does more than a chappy headshot

At like any range
Can ohk as well

[true mauve]

Need the weapon mastery buff or is it the artifact boost?

[worldly hazel]

One of my tm8s in SG banked 2 motes with 1k dmg then typed in chat saying it was me and our other tm8s fault we lost

[karmic chasm]

I find that crimson works the same way. Enough time between bursts to track at medium range. At close range just blow them away with the shotgun

[mental dagger]

Point blank im pretty sure you can onetap with nothing in meddley
In shifting it just oneshots, definetly does if any arti is proced
With mastery its even more insane you just map people+you have it up constantly

Wish there was more to building your guns for stats because high handling Jared would go nuts

Should've let mods work, just capped to non damage related things only and capped at idk purple numbers

[karmic chasm]

Are we talking the arc shotgun?

[true mauve]

Iron Bar not Meddley crap. Doesnt allow artifacts but it allows lvl 1 mods, they need a PvP mode requiring semi built characters. If next mode allowed artifact substats and full mod upgrades 🔥 they could just set the mod upgrades at max for everyone and set arti substats to same for everyone. More customization fr. Double the health/shield pool we have now to 500/1000

[honest kindle]

Any leaks/predictions on the next character? My prediction is an arc titan. We know they are arc, we have 2 arc hunters already, and we have had 2 LE Warlocks and 2 LE Hunters and only 1 Titan.

[indigo solar]

They're talking about PvP, and Niaatiks is unquestionably the best PvP shotgun, because it allows you to one tap + melee for a kill in IB or just one tap with Welling Light in SG. I personally don't like Crimson for PvP though, Simit feels much better since it can four tap

[true mauve]

Rossi takes off his mask and becomes the new mythic lightbearer he always was Darius

[true mauve]

EFS is same stats as Simit, it feel diff? I kind of lowkey like Parole alot 😅

[indigo solar]

Top teams still haven't gotten a definitive char comp yet

[honest kindle]

Maybe Radegast!

[devout void]

Apparently all the good Jarren players agreed to weapon/signature/ability/solar this cycle, after doing many test and PLAY calamity ops these last days even though the best theorycrafter was against it. I hope it was worth it, or is it a big waste of dice

[true mauve]

His super hits like Rossi kind of sucks

[mental dagger]

artefacts should be nuked imo, unnecessary
just mods for gun customization

[indigo solar]

Indirectly, weapon boosts increase the triggering damage so increase the welling light damage. Solar boost doesn't double dip though

[indigo solar]

Also you are aware I never said don't run solar right

[devout void]

[mental dagger]

currently you use his super either to kill random elites or to do skips and i dont see a single calam where it changes

[indigo solar]

I was saying Super vs Weapon

[devout void]

Its even worst ?

[indigo solar]

Solar is mandatory, elemental boosts pretty much always are because they're multiplicative with other options

[mental dagger]

its same thing as solar highkey
weapon does something the entire time
your super is casted more than 1 time in like 1 map and even then its probably not for something beyond crucial or to simply run with it

[devout void]

Why we dont want wepaon that we use 99% of the run

[true mauve]

Without artifacts Ning would suck, ngl artifacts are needed as long as we have enemy mobs. They drastically change the feel of a character. I have like 4 Wolf builds I use depending on how I feel that game for SG

[devout void]

Seem true, i guess you are a good overseer player to think that

[mental dagger]

better to boost something thats not a huge part of your damage but constantly gives some value than something that doesnt

[indigo solar]

Because a large portion of his damage is abilities, Weapon may not create a significant difference in ad clear time but Super can create a significant difference in boss time

[mental dagger]

its similar thing to maru where you dont need super attribute anywhere outside of 1 specific wave of adds on nexus even though most of her damage is just from abilities

[devout void]

I understand but overall, its hard to skip weapon like Octava said

[calm vortex]

To be fair Jaren deals with crowds a lot of the time using his dodge which has a lot of uptime on usage and his weapons are largely cleanup or popping shields/shinkas

[indigo solar]

I haven't messed around with other hcs much bc I've mostly just played him in IB where Simit was forced

[devout void]

I dont follow the 👍 thumb, there is a reason I skip super on Maru, if you play the game mode you can understand

[mental dagger]

especially with how chopped his ability cycle can be if you make an even tiny mistake you do have to just tickle things with your shotty damage

[true mauve]

Build to your playstyle, they just said Super is situational for specific things in Cal Ops

[wanton gale]

Cq1tQoHG

[devout void]

[indigo solar]

Neither do I? Hell most of the time Elemental Boost isn't recommended but it's meta on pretty much every character

[true mauve]

Same, I seen SG vid of you and EFS though. I used Parole the 2 sg game I played him

[calm vortex]

Multiplicative and affects every single source of damage for that element, its great

[devout void]

Thanks Octava, you opened my eyes, I'm going to reroll to remove Super from my artifact

[true mauve]

Everyone plays diff, always cater to yourself but it is also really good to hear what is optimal. Sometimes gut feelings are way off and bad, but its good to know you are close and tweak a couple small things

[short locust]

Not up to you, it's up to RNG

[calm vortex]

Though I have been testing supers and wolf's super still surprises me the most

[true mauve]

Fix Rossi super

I envision a room wipe not a butt wipe

[calm vortex]

Like for comparison to Jaren, Wolf's Super is only like 5~10% worse than Jaren's super in terms of output but has half the cooldown time

[true mauve]

Super Nade vs Half of Wolfs super

[calm vortex]

With a fully maxed out Sati you need like

13~14 Super grenades to match his Super's damage

[mental dagger]

wolfs super isnt used for damage

[true mauve]

So super nades are no good?

[calm vortex]

no the super grenades are great they have huge AoE and do enough damage to wipe out crowds, its just about use case

[mental dagger]

both jareds and wolfs best super application is mobility

[true mauve]

Cray

[devout void]

Several builds can work to get #1. Most people don't even compete; I just chill and do my top 10. If it were so important to be perfect, a T1 Maru wouldn't have finished #1. So just because your ideas work doesn't mean other ideas are necessarily bad. In any case, as has been explained, this Jarren Super isn't the most crucial thing during thus cycle, and it probably never will be.

[calm vortex]

But yeah Wolf's super is really flexible since its cooldown is only 60s you'll get to choose how to use it through a run a lot

[mental dagger]

if you need something nuked real bad real fast using jareds super for it is a timeloss

[worldly hazel]

T6 finalla. Now what? What are her best weapons lol. Bored so imma build her

[mental dagger]

you do more in 1 dump of your welling light

[stone niche]

Can I get a little advice?

[mental dagger]

it is however absolutely insane for transitions
it would be nuts if it was a 60 cd super that dealt like 1/5th its damage

[true mauve]

So if I were to try and do some Cal Ops... who should I build?

[agile spindle]

you use it on smart bomb most if the time

[calm vortex]

DPS yeah I imagine mag dumping your shotgun with auto loading is probably better unless you pre-pop super for an enemy you know is going to spawn since a lot of the time waste on super is the initial animations

[true mauve]

I have only rossi over 70k 💀

[mental dagger]

his dodges are really good, he gets 4 for transition and i dont think theres a route in any of the strikes where you will have downtime on acceleration

[devout void]

The most versatile since day one is always ning fei for f2p , low spender

Except something crazy happen, dev seem tired about him

[karmic chasm]

This is what we live for

[devout void]

If we could black list people I think the server will avoid you (in matchmaking)

[agile spindle]

f2p ning is no longer good when he cant do expanse 40

[mental dagger]

tbh he still can even though its annoying

[twilit thistle]

Not for PvP. It would break cuz 🌽🐕 lives live as though it’s rumble. Never the same char twice

[devout void]

Bro he is meta since September chill

Its ok he still can do Impact lvl 40

[true mauve]

Probably, this a good start? Put Rossi stuff on him

[mental dagger]

if you gamble on heavy rng according to naerys you can do spread as well

for r9

[true mauve]

My Ning is T3 also @devout void

[old pond]

Really how?

[mental dagger]

by shooting stuff

[devout void]

Just put rampaging in 3rd please

You can play mythic weapon ability arc

Enough to go Overseer

[true mauve]

Am too, sometimes 3 games in a row. I like to test stuff not my fault 🤣 😭

[devout void]

Probably faster than Estella that need 150 bullets of gallows

[twilit thistle]

If you just stuck with it, you’d prolly actually be in overseer!

[devout void]

Wolfpack also
Kulfi is dead this season 🥀

[true mauve]

I do Cal Ops like once a month, if I wanted to sweat id wear a sweatsuit 💀

[mental dagger]

nah wont be faster
he will absolutely be struggling with damage

just constant dmg output is like the 1 reason estella is not the worst 5 star

[true mauve]

I have Anni/Glutton and Anni/BlackBody whats the recco?

[mental dagger]

Thus was a tough one...

[devout void]

It was crazy then with some luck and 2 ammo pack he break

But i read someone said you need to aim higher than the head

[devout void]

Black body is meta now , its fine to loose light

Can farm stack, but its not like the run depend on your wolfpack dmg

[thin valve]

It takes like 6 maru primary shots

[devout void]

Did you try blast radius perk on the gl

Before that even in calam i was struggling to break at 74k

[true mauve]

Max my weapon mastery?

Somehow I have clusters 🤣

[devout void]

Everything you can do, 73k start to feel nice

With the lvl 85 artifact its easy now

[twilit thistle]

Not for long.

[mental dagger]

unless theres a really specific scenario you just run whatever has the traits for light on your primary because you exclusively use your heavy
the only time primary was used besides having wolfpack out for downtime on acceleration was breaking a single minotaur if your maru was slacking where blackbody was nice since you got 3 stacks as soon as nexus started

[thin valve]

We play as Bobak in jaren story so him being a next character is confirmed🔥

[true mauve]

I already have them sitting around in inventory

[mental dagger]

we are bobak

[true mauve]

Just had to pick which one to use

[thin valve]

bobak abilities when

[pulsar coral]

Given the challenge of 31-40. What do you guys think of the rewards given?

[thin valve]

Give us 15 mob clusters for stage 40

[devout horizon]

Damn still no Jolder role

[pulsar coral]

I think they should have kept the lumia leaves at least!

[thin valve]

We need more ways to farm lumia, im tired of spending money on draws

[devout horizon]

… then don’t?

[karmic chasm]

I’m not gonna enjoy that 💀
Least fav boss on 30

[thin valve]

nah, boring

[cyan tide]

I like that it's optional and the rewards reflect that

[karmic chasm]

I gotta bring my Jaren and Maru up yo 72k each before this season ends

[thin valve]

I gotta bring jaren to 75k before season ends

[true mauve]

I can study while i wait

[cyan tide]

I'm probably gonna get Jaren to 72k after this weekly reset

[karmic chasm]

Me too bro, me too

[tight talon]

Skip Maru. Unless you have never done Maru content

[devout void]

La caza de Vanok

[devout horizon]

Lowkey valid

[karmic chasm]

Wdym? She’s my void main

[devout void]

They change the color, taniks was mad we look like him

[thin valve]

Imagine if i did not spend money to get jaren, what would i do??

[karmic chasm]

Wait actually?? Bro

[devout horizon]

Spontaneously combust

[tight talon]

And she will be out next season. So yk do yourself a favour and not bother spending resources on her when her viability won't be there

[devout void]

He is a "contributor" and we are random people so it's normal

[karmic chasm]

That is the stupidest thing 💀

[tight talon]

It's only 24D before she'll be out

[thin valve]

Limited char should be guaranteed for everyone, whales who go T6 wont complain either way

[devout void]

Just color not that deep
Ning is blue not purple so

[cyan tide]

You could say the same for almost every character

[karmic chasm]

Vro, my Rossi is 74,190 right now simply because I felt like it

[tight talon]

Yeah that's basically it, majority of my characters since release are closer to 68k for Expanse/Calamity exception of Maru and Jaren closer to 69-72k cause of extra resources that I have saved up over time from not going in too much on the previous ones

[thin valve]

questions?

[pulsar coral]

If this wasn’t a gatcha game. Then you would earn talent tree rank without spending for extra pulls. It would require a lot of time into a character to actually T6/ max out so when you saw a T6 character, you knew that that was someone who spent a lot of time and energy building that character instead of just spending a bunch of money, but unfortunately, it is a gatcha game. I still play and I enjoy it so it is what it is lol

[tight talon]

I think I got around 23 clusters laying around that I'll invest in next Arc Rapid Fire whenever they drop

[karmic chasm]

What does it feel like to be incredible in bed?

[pulsar coral]

$70 for the game lol

[thin valve]

What system do you suggest for characters talent tree progression?

[tight talon]

Nothing wrong with it. Not saying don't invest at all. Just saying if it's about to go and you won't be using them, save the resources for the next

[karmic chasm]

Jaren will be useful. Also next season I’m using Rossi and Ning

[tight talon]

I also got a 70k Attal, that I am gonna weapon Mastery 5

[tight talon]

Talking about Maru. Jaren is okay

[thin valve]

Attal is peak

[tight talon]

You are peak, random citizen

[karmic chasm]

Oh you said them and I got confused

[agile spindle]

they need to buff Jaren

[karmic chasm]

Especially his signature 1. Tickles other players

[thin valve]

Buff his ult

[tight talon]

no no, just Maru. It's okay to invest in Jaren cause he will be there after 24d anyways, but not Maru

[pulsar coral]

For example, say these were harder to grind. Every 2 levels or so, you would earn a skill point to invest into it’s talent tree

[agile spindle]

he is doing no damage

[naive ingot]

Attal is mine.... 😆 🤣

[thin valve]

valid

[karmic chasm]

I wouldn’t say that. He out-damages a mid Helhest. He’s ok, but as an offense he definitely needs a buff for endgame

[naive ingot]

She's also 70k for me 😆 🤣

[naive ingot]

For tomorrow's dinner...

[tight talon]

Radeghast said some Eliksni set fire to the fields

[karmic chasm]

With how much I’ve spent simply getting T1 on my mains, this would be peak 😭

[tight talon]

Gotta make do with 500 cigrattes per person/Lightbearer

[pulsar coral]

It would take a month of consistent playing to actually get the talent tree maxed. That would be cool, but they wouldnt make any $$ that way

[thin valve]

Yeah, leaderboards would be more valid and legit aswell . Rn leaderboards = who spent the most money

[karmic chasm]

By the end of the week I’ll be #2 Rossi 🔥
Then again I’m not completely f2p

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[devout void]

There is no shame to spend like 100$ on all the bundle and have one T6 , i play since September rather than 70$ for a solo game that take 30 hours

[thin valve]

Not even about characters, at some point if u grind enough u will overpass whales in power but that would take months and even a year lol for meta characters. Im more talking about leaderboards of gamemodes where talent trees matter

[tight talon]

[tight talon]

Weird take but I am not moral policing someone who can spend money

[bitter estuary]

if this wasn't a gacha game

it'd be warframe or duet night abyss, but no one's prepared for it (tower of fantasy didn't transition to no gacha for gameplay smoothly, so there's that)

[thin valve]

Yeah absolutely no shame cus sometimes im a big spender as well but the idea of getting talents up through time and gameplay feels better than just buying them

[bitter estuary]

also im pretty sure they'll remove character gacha and stamina for cosmetic ones once ananta releases (i'm being delusional)

[tight talon]

Immaculate copium

At best, EoS notice will come faster

[bitter estuary]

eos before gta 6/ananta lmao

[mild sage]

Bulwark token or calming perturbation for Jaren?

[karmic chasm]

Calamity is rich get richer mode yes

[tight talon]

Bulwark only triggers on Handcannon precision kills.

[robust sequoia]

Thanks 😤 now everyone says this after I broke down to invest in Jaren as my Solar… thinking he was stronk.

[tight talon]

Does not work with shotgun or his ability Handcannon shots

[karmic chasm]

He is strong though. Just could be stronger as a new offense mythic. He’s gonna be my solar too

[bitter estuary]

chat is 25k mythic parameters enough just incase they make s3 engrams 400 per engram

[thin valve]

He is fine, i would rework his ult somehow

[tight talon]

Unlikely but yeah 25k is fine

[devout void]

You need to rewards the people that support your game even if 80% of the wale are stuck Specialist II

[tight talon]

Allat for 5 S3 engrams a week

[robust sequoia]

Wonder if it has to do with the fact he was legendary and they tried to up him to mythic.

[bitter estuary]

1k per s3 engram

[tight talon]

500 for 1 Engram a week

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[karmic chasm]

Could be. I can see a buff incoming like they did with Helhest. Especially to TLW or his signature 1

[bitter estuary]

once campaign comes they boutta charge us 5k per engram and refresh the journey bundles for 10 engrams instead of 10 pulls

[pulsar coral]

I mean, that’s what I did. I have a T6 Jaren now and he’s the funnest character to play in my opinion so I’m pretty happy but I do think he needs a little buff lol

[karmic chasm]

@devout void you’re right about specialist 2 tho lol

[devout void]

I swear the biggest whale are Destiny 2 dad that come here and have no thumb

But thanks to them we can play

[tight talon]

Apparently money + sweats are top Calamity Ops and not just pure money. Too many T6 Jaren's and T6 Maru's in Expert II with BP weapons in the lowest % skill bracket

[devout void]

It's true that it help, after dice update i have seen so many random name come in the leaderboard with their perfect Helhest, disgusting but not enough to be top 10 if you are bad

[frozen nimbus]

All silver bundles are worth 230€ (without external buying)

[karmic chasm]

I’ve seen a t6 Helhest get like 14% damage last cycle 😭

[pulsar coral]

I’m a big borderlands fan, so I like to work for the talent tree upgrades lol

[tight talon]

I wish people stop obsessing over BP weapons. But obviously I am the minority here and can't tell people what to do with their money

[soft bobcat]

I actually think it's the opposite. I see most HH doing terrible damage using Royale Contravene because they don't know how to use it.

[karmic chasm]

Tlw is peak im sorry

Fan fire supremacy

[tight talon]

There's a point where TG users are going to be more worse overall than RC users who don't know the difference between Single Shot and Combat sights

One is sunken cost, other is literally just one change to make the gun best

[karmic chasm]

TG is just bad, especially after the bow buff to the mythic

[soft bobcat]

End of the Line legitimately does more damage in RC over a shorter period time though. It's not really about TG

[tight talon]

Probably no imo.

Gotta find evidence to back it up, brb

[frozen nimbus]

What do you play where it really matters? Overseer rank calamity ops?

[devout void]

Yes thats why people that play practice range only tell player here to max End of Line instead of QB the best weapon in the game

[soft bobcat]

Here's a side by side with my and a clanmate in Pack Hunts. He with Maxed RC vs me with Maxed EOL. Granted he's using Confined Axion vs my Hawkeye so he's losing some damage there.

[soft bobcat]

I do think RC is better overall, but the gap isn't huge.

[pulsar coral]

As someone who went the TG route, I highly regret it!

[soft bobcat]

I'm not dropping 7 photons just for a 3-5% gain

[tight talon]

It's not about Overseer. It's literally average Joe land. Wayy too many Helhest with TG that don't do anything in the damage department, and then there's copium runners bringing in Rossi/Estela in Expert II where their output in negligible

I am an advocate for bring your own character wherever you like, but I clearly draw line on the leaderboard content

[thin valve]

This calamity char meta lacks boss damage

[soft bobcat]

Also I don't remember the original source of this, and I don't have a maxed RC to test myself. But any fight shorter than 15s goes to EoL.

[pulsar coral]

These are photos of my tears 😭

[soft bobcat]

Assuming it's correct 🤷‍♂️

[tight talon]

Hawkeye vs Hawkeye comparision of RC/EoL?

[karmic chasm]

I’d argue this probably comes down to skill/timing difference at the end of the day

[tight talon]

I mean it was established in ~1 week that Helhest basically uses nothing from her set aside from the United Axion

[devout void]

The feeling with QB is better, one shot shinka in calam and you can aim better, can even break a shinka when you dont try

[indigo solar]

EotL is better boss dps, but QB is better in general content

[karmic chasm]

And two firing modes that are both really good in their proper applications

[indigo solar]

Mostly because a lot of EotL's damage is from searing mark, which leads to lots of wasted damage against minor enemies

[soft bobcat]

In the case of my playing with my clanmate. It's hard to say in a real world test how much the artifacts come into play. I wasn't staying at a constant range of 20m+ especially against that Ogre boss that charges us down constantly. I was still able to out damage him there.

[tight talon]

So just less damage against boss while 99% of the content is beating everything else. I'd make that deal.

[indigo solar]

Idk why they changed the colours, I didn't ask them to or anything

[tight talon]

It's the difference of Attal hitting 20k or less with her Handcannon vs 67k-72k on the same Handcannon while being far. Can visibly see it

[lofty cipher]

how come sometimes my calamity ops doesnt count towards my progress saying rank mismatch?

[soft bobcat]

That's not what I meant. I meant that we're not playing on a Practice Range. We didn't even organize this test. We just happened to group together and I noticed they were using a maxed RC so I started taking screenshots. The non-planning makes it also a bit more realistic. Else I would have recorded it of course.

[indigo solar]

At the very least, the ads speed/swap speed effects from mods are in effect

[tight talon]

Plus iirc you are practically dealing less damage with Confined for first 20m due to how Confined vs Hawkeye trigger condition work.

But lemme read the Artifact perkand reconfirm

[karmic chasm]

I didn’t sound like something you’d do but I was flabbergasted if it was true

[indigo solar]

Shifting Shrine is the boss arena, contracts are the super charge things, I haven't tested what counts as an active contract or if the card even works

[devout void]

Feel free to show me end of line do that with the flicking and randomly break a shinka, the weapon is crazy

aim an other thing here and shinka already broke

[soft bobcat]

This one in specific was either the Shrieker or the Wizard boss so we both should have been a decent enough distance to take advantage of our artifacts.

[rotund raptor]

How come that when i run chaos for artefacts i get a lot of artefacts but most of them arent at my wishlist?Also are exotic artefacts that rare

[devout token]

Just saw the teaser for the new story holy moly that looks cool so finally we getting ships?

How tf a mobile game better than the main game….

[karmic chasm]

Yea it’s bunz

[rotund raptor]

What ships

[summer ledge]

Until you start leveling acclaim for drop rates, they are. Mythic artifacts can usually be whatever but are usually weighted towards yours, and exotics are almost always wishlist ones from my experience.

[devout token]

Thought from the trailer it looked like we are finally going to space

[true mauve]

Yeah, but nobody knows scanner area or active contract

[rotund raptor]

Im at acclaim 19 and i uograded the exotic drop rate thing but its hell to get one and little pinaccle energy we get makes it worse to get them

[rotund raptor]

It would be dope

[soft bobcat]

I agree though the uptime on Confined Axion probably didn't last the entire fight. And as I said before as well I do think the RC is the better damage overall. Just not as big of a difference that I'm trying to throw 7 photons at it even as a Helhest main. If I were trying to be a world first raider or something yea maybe. But I do well enough with EoL for now.

[rotund raptor]

I did write on the surveys they take to give more ways to get mats for upgrading. Hope they consider it lol🤣

[tight talon]

I mean that 7 were dumped into TG at some point

Would have been a world of difference in RC

[pastel owl]

guys what do we think? do I go band 2 on drill for Maru or band 2 on last word

imo it seems like last word equates for very little of his damage

[true mauve]

Active contract is the time between you hitting activate on the contract and claiming the chest and/or capture point. Useless af. I couldnt find anywhere on map that boosted my sig ability recharge speed so idk what a scanner area is. I tried like everywhere.

[gritty rune]

‘We will add more silver mats packages.’

[rotund raptor]

Oh i hope not lol

[dusty spire]

So we could potentially get a defensive hunter style ?

And also a support titan?

[simple plank]

Support Titan who punches you to do more damage

[devout horizon]

T2 Jolder

[dusty spire]

Oh wow, I’m really short on destiny characters or even just the class types

[tight talon]

I'd be down to get Fusion/RL Hunter that can use Radiant Knife.

[dusty spire]

So to me this feels quite refreshing

[tight talon]

Or Titan that can use Smg/GL Captain America shield throw super

[devout horizon]

@raw glade btw how massive is Jolder’s t3 effect

[dusty spire]

Hunters more knight nimble whilst titans more paladin style

[rotund raptor]

A hunter wouldnt be bad

[cyan tide]

It'd be funny if they made the next mythic a defense character just so Ning doesn't get powercrept

[dusty spire]

Like I can see a hunter type that can get to team quick for like defensive type buffs but moves around quick

[tight talon]

Stormcaller Warlock, just fricking Blinks every jump

[dusty spire]

I like hell but not my support style, like to be close to team.

[tight talon]

Mobile users won't like this one

[tight talon]

And super is just Arc Titan Thundercrash

[dusty spire]

The day I see LF finnala lol

[worldly hazel]

Finalla best in slot weapons?

[dusty spire]

LOL IDC finnala is bae

[dusty spire]

Sweet and w/e sword

Never with out sweet / unless your playing healnala

Healnala is amazing, also provides team dmg buff to

[indigo solar]

Scanner area is the detector in the middle

[indigo solar]

If someone else claims the chest tho does it remove the buff? Because you could intentionally activate one and not finish it

[thorny frost]

I could see this, seeing as that is the release of tower defense mode

[devout horizon]

God Umeko is fun.

[empty kettle]

Sentinel titan?

[worldly hazel]

I REALLY tried to make finalla work. Even at T6 she’s dogshi haha

[soft bobcat]

nah I didn't max TG

think I put in 4 or 5

Not sure what world of difference it would have made when clearly there is no world of difference between EoL and RC

[worldly hazel]

Yea her dashes are pretty dope

[twilit thistle]

@naive ingot my build is about 90% done. I have to get 3 more exotic artifacts, and hit acclaim lvl 15. I might be able to do more than sg after that. I have everything I need 😂 I can’t believe izi and del dropped in the same day

[worldly hazel]

How are you NOT acclaim 15 😭

[true mauve]

Nope, tried there. Thats specifically labeled "detector zone" I also thought it may be translation error. I think scanner area may be from last season and was lost with new emergencies and emergency modifiers. Unless detector needs to be activated. I did not test to see what happens if someone else de activated the super.

[twilit thistle]

Is any of it leftovers from alpha/beta? I noticed some of it makes no sense or didn’t seem fully implemented

[twilit thistle]

It’s the alt. I have a near identical Umeko on the other server. It’s only t2.

[worldly hazel]

Oh got it

[thin valve]

390k calamity is crazy work

[true mauve]

If this stacks and makes the mobs drop 3 extra during activated contract... would be worth to pop it speed clear zone and claim it. Or even worth seeing if you can have multiple contracts open at once. Would take a premade 3 on same page of "here to test"

[twilit thistle]

It’s not worth it. Enemies spawn in at specific times. I’ve tried pve. It’s not worth it lol.

[true mauve]

One of the beginning rooms in aeronautics campus has 12 red bar 6 yellow bar. That's 42 data. If you use jungle phase perk its +1 per mob. 60 data, if you use contract is up to 78 data in a few seconds. If contract stacks its over 100 easy

[twilit thistle]

Kill bots, hop to other side of map. > pve farming.

[true mauve]

Multiple wont stack between teammates, its worded same as jungle phase. It also says an active contract not +1 per active contract, it has a satisfying condition only no stacking

[naive ingot]

Fancy seeing you in Shifting 😆

[twilit thistle]

My routine is to run to the other team. I’ll die if it’s players usually, but I’ll clear the bots, get a super charge, kill a few red bars, bank 100 data. Hop to other side of map, catch a couple of them going to detector, kill them and a few red bars, and by then it’s time to scout others tbh. That’s my solo playbook.

[true mauve]

#1 maniacking last season had a pve farm route for his Umeko first half of game with a roaming Ning. Doesnt take 3 people to farm the bots 😜

[twilit thistle]

Jordan and bourdee do not do this.

[true mauve]

Maniac is #1 for a reason

[twilit thistle]

Nobody’s played with #1. I debunked that already

[true mauve]

Him and one guy speed clear pve while ning kills bots. After detector is done is a diff story.

[true mauve]

Lemme see if I have a record

[twilit thistle]

If you use pc and mobile and q both you will get more lobbies faster than the rest. If u dodge all the top players, it’s an advantage too. When u get that high up ur essentially asking for unfair advantages. Jordan and bourdee are not doing that, this is the only duo or trio if they have compy, that is PvP focused and can win doing so.

[twilit thistle]

I’ve seen them hop in the portal and wipe a freshly spawned opposing fireteam while they had the blue over shield for respawning. It was unlike anything I had ever experienced.

[rotund raptor]

Any suggestions for artefacts for ikora

[true mauve]

Teamwork is crazy isnt it? Im still digging for that screenshot

[thin valve]

None, forget about Ikora

[rotund raptor]

I was thinking of using her since i didnt get maru

[brave sky]

This place still got slow mode....

[twilit thistle]

My investigation proved that sg isn’t competitive past a certain point regardless, there are so many issues holding it back. It can’t be taken seriously until it’s fair. No leaving, teaming, or manipulating the game. I need to compile those into a video 😭 i say that a lot don’t i

[thin valve]

Well, for me personally as a person that always hated and will always hate Ikora, maru is so much better but if u need void spread for expanse then yeah, Ikora is ur only choice

Idk if Ikora enjoyers exist, ask them

I have seen more xuan weis in my fireteams than Ikoras

[rotund stirrup]

Best jaren artifacts

Guys best jaren artifacts

Idk what to focus

[true mauve]

Premades are legit. It should be 3man teams queuing up. SG is only as competitive as you let it be, there are 0 rewards for it lmaooooo just bragging rights and honestly we all know who gets who we go in circles with each other

[soft bobcat]

resolute conjunction, perturb, perturb/bellicose veil, perturb

[thin valve]

Resolute and everything peturb, focus on weapon enhancement

solar boost and ability strength

[twilit thistle]

I mean there’s the title, it’s definitely a reward. I stopped pressing tho when I found the issues with it. I’m not exploiting to get a fancy title.

[true mauve]

When we solo queuers learn to work together it will be more fun wiping premades

[thin valve]

Which title is fancy

[twilit thistle]

@bitter estuary

[true mauve]

I never pressed in the first place. I only leave matches when I am testing stuff 😜

Id rather be lower so i can find games more, I just like pvp

Sg is a fun game mode, iron bar doesnt have talentz or artifacts

[twilit thistle]

I can’t even run Umeko consistently in iron bar. I get targeted like everywhere I go PvP. Iron bar for me is expecting 3-5 players to run at me and punch me to death. Anything to show disrespect.

[twilit thistle]

That’s probably why I got so good. If I stand somewhere I know the last person I killed will run back. It’s actually nice to get rid of that title. Now I don’t get recognized by ever F2P player ever 😂

[true mauve]

That's wild. I try to pick 1 guy each match and just make his life terrible. I like ruining kill streaks in particular, I like the new game mode giving them the wanted poster 🤣

[brittle stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300881191087509548/1446569112934420520/ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[twilit thistle]

Omfg when the good F2P players find me it’s like death. Or another Umeko. Tho I did make a friend with one of the best snipers, it’s miserable on my end

[bitter estuary]

unrelenting shell, bloodthirsty shell, scattering shell and explosive shell

focus on void boost, weapon enhancement and signature/super boost

weap enhancement is top priority

[true mauve]

Maybe it's something about you. I think I've teamed with just about everyone in top 50 through invites not rng. In iron bar i get alot of friend requests.

[twilit thistle]

I had to go against boudee for a few weeks. That’s also how I got so good. There’s only are only so many times u can go up against boudee. Or another, whose name is so offensive I can’t say it. (It was the #1 Umeko title)

[kindred nymph]

🤔

[floral abyss]

[true mauve]

Gotta play more than one character, variety is spice of life

[twilit thistle]

I played boudee for like 6-8 hours one day. Trust me it was a war of the Estella’s bc we drove each other crazy. I have to turn messages off, bc I get bombarded. There’s also the carry effect that title has. I swear I never get mvp bc someone want to impress me and just pops off.

Usually I just take it off tbh. That’s how I farm Morgrans now. It’s not worth it most of the time.

[true mauve]

Idk man, im sorry to hear about your misfortune. Maybe its your pack? I just got invited to random one last night, its sooo dead but the callsign is the best "GGEZ"

[simple plank]

Simply play Wabr

[twilit thistle]

I’m in 23, which has the top sg players in it. I had to turn messages off for stuff like that. I had 200 invites in the same day when it happened. It’s the title. Being recognizable. Etc. having a name like this too. Most ppl think my name is actually Bill or billothy 👀 it’s not. It does not have any connection to it

[flint aurora]

Unrelenting shell, Unrelenting evolution, Inverted Fury, Explosive Shell | Weapon Enchantment, Ability Strength, Void Boost, Super Boost

[flint aurora]

Does it have a connection to dill pickles?

[true mauve]

I avoid top packs like the plague, too much drama can happen in pvp. Just want to chill. There was like a bunch of new packs around time 23 popped up and half of QS left idk what happened and dont want to know

I dont like tea

But yeah people prob gunnin for ya because of the pack name

You always play Umeko also another identifier

[bitter estuary]

lmao

[novel sable]

jaren pulling up to the crying kid after he cooks maln

[pulsar coral]

I was actually looking forward to seeing a dope shootout. Disappointed lol

[bitter estuary]

i rlly need to stop doing expanse

[fringe valve]

Yeah that last mission was so underwhelming

[pulsar coral]

You should farm artifacts lol. After 30 mins, I get too bored and quit. I don’t know how you do it for so long

[novel sable]

Yea that kinda pissed me off ngl i instantly came in here and complained about there not being a red dead shootout. Off screen kill was crazy

[soft bobcat]

Coulda at least had some western music or something

[pulsar coral]

I guess it was his personal business and we couldn’t see it. Maybe if I got T6 before finishing the mission I would have seen it 🤣

Rossi-11 mission was better in that regard. Great ending

[empty kettle]

It should be expected, since he was a 4 star that got turned into a 5 star

[fringe valve]

Estela's campaign is still the best one

[novel sable]

i cant believe that they looked at Jaren's kit and design and went "Yep, thats a 4 star"

[novel sable]

To be fair Helhest's story was also trash it was only interesting because of mara

[twilit thistle]

Only recently joined tbh. Most of my experience was in the old pack. I think most of the server has matched with me too. 23 is kinda chill. Idk, I don’t rlly take packs seriously tho.

[novel sable]

Rising takes the "you dont play destiny for the story" VERY seriously

[twilit thistle]

I never saw the ending, what happened?

[pulsar coral]

Hot take: Scale the level of enemies to your character while doing story missions. 1 shotting everything is boring.

Adding some basic bosses would be cool too

[soft bobcat]

I mean it's kinda hit and miss. Some of them are pretty decent

[empty kettle]

Till S4 comes where we get both a regular sized campaign and a seasonal campaign

[pulsar coral]

I skipped through all cut scenes for Finnela and Ikora.🤢

[white fossil]

floating

[rotund raptor]

Thanks

[twilit thistle]

I’m surprised u made it thru them at all 😂

[true mauve]

Cal Ops or level my alt?

[pulsar coral]

I was grinding for Gwynn

she felt weak as T0 so i quit building her

I cannot stand Ikora. Maru is great

[empty kettle]

What about Rossi-11?

[pulsar coral]

He’s cool but I don’t care for his playstyle

[bitter estuary]

i might actually pull an all nighter y’all

[pulsar coral]

An endless wave mode would br cool. Where defense and support characters matter

[rotund raptor]

I really liked estela story but i just did the first part since i dont have the character

[pulsar coral]

Leaderboards would be who can last the longest

Like Gears of War Horde mode

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[pulsar coral]

👀

I haven’t played Destiny or D2, if that’s what your hinting at lol

[empty kettle]

D1 or d2 doesn't have that, YET

[pulsar coral]

Tower defense?

[empty kettle]

Where we defend an object

[pulsar coral]

Can I be honest

[snow stream]

what would marus best weapons be if you dont have dvergar drill

[stark forge]

smart bomb present fleet

[snow stream]

cheers

[pulsar coral]

This is what I was thinking when I heard tower defense. I was like, why would they make this for destiny rising!? 🤣

[empty kettle]

Oh god no, not that kind of tower defense

[pulsar coral]

Maybe a spin off app 😂

[wheat ferry]

More go go ghost minigames

[pulsar coral]

Okay, well I’m definitely looking forward to January now. Maybe Rapid Fire Arc will be tailored to that mode

Poor Kabr

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hawkeye-no-please-no-no-sad-gif-16886381

[bitter estuary]

i died like 3 or 4 times idk how it was a sub 7:30

my whole body is literally shaking idk why but atleast i did it

[worldly hazel]

Hell yea

[bitter estuary]

i have severe skill issue

but anyways after uhh 6 hours i did it : D (the 3 hours in the screenshot is just dailies+iron bar)

[worldly hazel]

Doesn’t matter if you do it first try or not. You stuck with it and banged it out. Good work 😮‍💨

[bitter estuary]

pinnacle-less behavior

i genuinely wouldn't care about the expanse if it wasn't about the amount of money and resources needed to lowman units (money part is to guarantee a character per patch)

same thing can be said for cal ops

[stark forge]

great now do expanse 40

[twilit thistle]

I was just wrapping up for the reset. I have over 500 pinnacle hoarded on there. wat rank r u?

[twilit thistle]

On behalf of Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN], I have to throw in that a leaderboard would be needed with a title.

[stark forge]

so many attempts use up all of them now

[twilit thistle]

😂 it sits like this 99% of the time.

[stark forge]

which is why u should do matchmaking and clear it all now

i get matched with very strong ning fei, under light jaren and clueless 74k maru

[bitter estuary]

doing it rn

[hasty ocean]

Buff it

[twilit thistle]

It’s not worth it for me bc I don’t want promoted. The best time to do it is always at the last second anyways, that’s when everyone takes it seriously. If I had a team I would but. I don’t.

[stark forge]

no team ? thats more of a reason to do matchmaking rn

cal ops should only allow matchmaking, no premade fireteam allowed. This way climbing ranks will be fair for everyone

[twilit thistle]

@pulsar coral do you have attempts..?

[visual rain]

this might be the worst take i have ever seen

get out of the kitchen bro you are not cooking with ts

[stark forge]

u cant deny its a fair approach to healthy competitive rank here

[visual rain]

i cant tell if youre trolling or not 😭

[bitter estuary]

they need to fix their ranking system first

anyways back to expanse

[twilit thistle]

I never see you on here! Did u t6 Umeko? I know @hoary kiln is still hoarding leaves.

[visual rain]

nah still T3, i dont play actively anymore and probably wont until the next raid

[visual rain]

been working on other projects like this black hole shader in minecraft

[hoary kiln]

Im like 8k down from pulling ward

[visual rain]

they added season levels to artifacts too now??? hell nah

[bitter estuary]

yeah stage 33 i think i give up

imma just log off, bye yall

[hoary kiln]

Ikr, hope the "end game" update wont be more of that

[visual rain]

season level is honestly horrible

[stark forge]

relic ability season lv

[visual rain]

it would be cool if you could grind the currency without having to wait for keys

(but then they make less $$$)

[twilit thistle]

Well if you two would pull t6 I would gladly teach you about PvP. Top Umekos take care of one another.

[karmic chasm]

Yea I was getting clapped by the shinka

[bitter estuary]

they will do it to mods prolly and we will have to cope with it

maybe seasonal weapon levels and seasonal ability levels

[hoary kiln]

Dw, as a mobile player, i dont care for pvp 😎

[bitter estuary]

no i just cleared it i feel like not doing it after that

why do you need to shoot 3 times to break the shinka

[twilit thistle]

I am on an iPhone. And I was in the top 20 on sg using it.

[karmic chasm]

It’s not that, it’s that the shinka literally ate my entire super

[bitter estuary]

get the shinka to 50% and destroy

[bitter estuary]

get the super boost and executioner

[hoary kiln]

Ill pray for you 🙏

[twilit thistle]

Gaze is op. Umeko t4 and t5 suck. But t6 is like a diff char.

[stark forge]

top 20 sg is easy just collect the most point and leave game when falling under top 3

[karmic chasm]

Yea I need to play till I get better cards

[twilit thistle]

I can’t think of a more powerful t6 off the top of my head. Maybe tans?

[bitter estuary]

its why im constantly restarting my games again and again

i really wished it wasn't horrible rng wise because i genuinely cannot get a good run without decent cards

[bitter estuary]

is tan that good compared to umeko? i haven't got dupes for him and im not interested in whaling so i get enough copies either

anyways i need 6 more copies of umeko for t6 umeko 😔

[karmic chasm]

Yes he’s insane at T6. After I work on Jaren, I’ll return to working on Tan

[bitter estuary]

also lol casual chat making ppl not pull for jaren alltogether

in-game chat is genuinely more toxic and brain-rot inducing type corrosive to the brain compared to discord even reddit

[twilit thistle]

Very similar. Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN] is not active rn and seems busy today, that’s who you ask for sure! Umeko is going to be better tho for most content, cuz tan is slow. I have t6 on tan I just don’t run it, or build it.

[karmic chasm]

Jaren is fun and ok. And that’s all I need him to be

[stark forge]

lol what happened to ur in-game chat ?

[karmic chasm]

Just like Rossi

[bitter estuary]

argument between a new light and a veteran also a comp player in my channel

[karmic chasm]

You can also ask @vocal hawk , he runs a T6 Tan

[bitter estuary]

this game will nuke itself by 2027 fr ||/s||

[stark forge]

thats quite a stretch, i give it till summer 2026

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-evangelion-meme-die-neco-gif-23136166

[hoary kiln]

January 2023

[twilit thistle]

I save Cody as a super. I only @ Cody when it’s an emergency.

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/komi-san-komi-cant-communicate-shoot-bang-komi-bang-gif-25322352

[karmic chasm]

He’s chill about it usually

[hoary kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-super-smash-bros-ff7-supernova-gif-27401517

[nimble plank]

which attributes i should be going for on jaren?

[bitter estuary]

that would dethrone astracraft and galactic something something (i think it was a ripoff of a niche game on steam that i forgot it's name lmao, also the latter i forgot too but i remember the first word)

galactic frontline i think... it was an eve online clone iirc (all mentioned are netease "original" titles)

[twilit thistle]

I always imagine Cody as a ghost lol and the light bearer is Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN]. Those two know more than 99% of the players on the server. Thats why I save it, my goal is to take care of main so they don’t get the @.

[bitter estuary]

110 days left till new campaign

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-1week-until-christmas-christmas-week-meme-airpods-christmas-meme-gif-24202365

(pretend it's actually a week away)

[twilit thistle]

Wait, a shader?!

[visual rain]

yeah

[gritty rune]

[bitter estuary]

you are probably shivering and bald rn

[twilit thistle]

Better than my stg 30

[bitter estuary]

chat should i run the spread stage 31~40 expanse with uhh

uh estela?

because i apparently need one more gallows to cat 3 it

[stark forge]

would u want to shoot a shinka for 5 minutes ?

[pulsar coral]

I completely agree! Get rid of it

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-explode-hair-bald-gif-1952343554732308603

[stark forge]

why get rid of season lv ? its free power boost

[bitter estuary]

for a whole season only 🥀

[stark forge]

think of it as a bonus for playing this season, u can live without it

[bitter estuary]

so planned obsolescence? be fr rn 🙄

[gritty rune]

You know what’s funny? I beat f40 first try.

What I hit stuck on was that 1 shrieker in f39 because its hitbox is so buggy

[pulsar coral]

For Cal ops, yes and why do you ask lol

[bitter estuary]

yeah i knew it was that part

the void one is very horrible i think but solar one was barely bearable

[gritty rune]

Like you just can’t hit it and it spams bullets at you

[stark forge]

planned obsolescence already built in with how they designed expanse and cal ops

[bitter estuary]

if i was the avg casual playing this game, their answer will be 100% i will comeback for the campaign instead, or quit

[dusty spire]

that will take less than a hour to complete lol

[gritty rune]

Void side’s hard part is f40, but F40 is pretty easy for jaren because he has so much single target damage

You just build to welling state and melt the boss’s HP

[stark forge]

void side u have to avoid the sniper completely

[gritty rune]

Yeah and getting one shot was annoying

[bitter estuary]

ok then im just visually blind

[twilit thistle]

I have 12. Once I wrap up finals I can try and get a team together.

[gritty rune]

Solar side jaren has a lot of DR and can just delete them as soon as they spawn

[stark forge]

wish i can blind the snipers

[gritty rune]

That one shrieker though, bloody hell

[bitter estuary]

what if everyone was blind and you are the only one that isn't blind

we'd like speedrun it normally

[karmic chasm]

Wayyyy to many enemies just don’t get blinded by Jaren

[pulsar coral]

Cool, lets go. I just added you in game. I found you by checking sg leaderboards 😉

[bitter estuary]

jaren could've been 4* atp he feels like a typical gacha game DoA limited unit

[karmic chasm]

He was supposed to be one. Would have been fine with that since my other main is a 4*

[bitter estuary]

well atleast he released

there's much more disappointing stuff in the leak like i thought it was gonna release on switch 2 but apparently they just added switch controller layout to the game 🥀

[weak ginkgo]

This Thursday We expecting buff on jaren

Someone said Hope devs see that

[bitter estuary]

highly likely..... but he needs a full rework i think

[karmic chasm]

Like we know it’s coming?

[weak ginkgo]

He feels like 4 star

[karmic chasm]

I want a buff to his signature one, and possibly super damage, though that’s alright

[bitter estuary]

no because why

[weak ginkgo]

We should get buffs. 5 star can’t feel soo bad at his own field. Feels like 4 star…

[bitter estuary]

he plays like cole cassidy/mccree if he got nerfed to oblivion

[weak ginkgo]

He wasn’t like that on the test. They nerfed the T6

[bitter estuary]

do they not want to make profits?? why they'd nerf t6

[weak ginkgo]

They need to buff those abilities asap. How you nerfed a banner that comes out soon and 5 star at that

While maru absolutely obliterates her own field being void. While jaren on the other hand can’t even break solar shield as supposed to

[karmic chasm]

I love him, but I wholeheartedly agree. He should be consistently doing more damage than Helhest

[twilit thistle]

Only issue I had with him is TLW, and the squishiness. Buff Tlw

[weak ginkgo]

There’s a lot of rework on him that has to be done. A 5 star can’t be this bad

[stark forge]

5 star wont need to be all strong, jaren is already good at what he does

[gritty rune]

He works fine as it is as a concept. He needs the max stack of stag points lowered to 36 or something

[weak ginkgo]

Compare to other permanent banners he lacks a lot of what he supposed to do

[gritty rune]

You basically do crap damage until you get in stag state and it takes way too long

[stark forge]

still stronger than jolder

[gritty rune]

Jolder is a standard

[weak ginkgo]

One of the many that needs work on

[bitter estuary]

how

[weak ginkgo]

I guess that a rage bait

That like comparing hel to atal

[gritty rune]

Everything else about him is fine outside of QOL. Like S2 needs to throw at reticle on press and in a straight line

He just has too much downtime

[bitter estuary]

attal t6 is good though.... idk

[weak ginkgo]

Agree. But as I said a 5 star temp banner can’t feel soo weak with his abilities

[gritty rune]

Is he weak though? In stag state, S1 is probably the hardest hitting skill in the game and he does a lot of damage with weapons

It’s just too much downtime

[weak ginkgo]

His q ability has to have some smack on it. As that supposed to be his damage ability. But again feels so weak that feels like. No point of using it

[stark forge]

im comparing both 5 star btw

[gritty rune]

Errr what’s Q

[calm vortex]

Jaren has long downtime?

[weak ginkgo]

Very

[gritty rune]

Yeah it takes like 20 seconds to stack to max?

In practice

[weak ginkgo]

Around that

[calm vortex]

I mean Stag state is nice but lets not act like he cant do anything outside of it with most of his kit utility and damage revolving around his dodge

[gritty rune]

His damage is poor outside of it

[weak ginkgo]

All around he needs a rework

Wr can talk all day what he can and what he does. Won’t change the fact that he needs rework

[gritty rune]

I don’t think he needs a rework, his kit concept is fine. Just needs better numbers and some QoL on S2

I mean, what would you rework him to?

[pulsar coral]

I know one thing for sure, no one was asking for a Helhest buff. So with enough people talking. I’m sure we will see some adjustments. #ChangeJarenT5aswell!!!

[gritty rune]

Yeah T5 is useless

[weak ginkgo]

T5/T6 downtime and many more

[gritty rune]

Should have been like throw 2 grenades and higher buff duration or something

[wheat ferry]

I think his damage sucks because it's supposed to be primarily precision damage do they didn't want the base damage to be so high hence why it sucks against shields 💀

[pulsar coral]

Maybe a stun as well?

[gritty rune]

T5? That’s just a useless talent

[weak ginkgo]

Exactly my point

[gritty rune]

T6 is fine imo

[weak ginkgo]

It was before they changed it

[gritty rune]

What was it before?

Tbh after floor 40 is out, I’m starting to realise that Maru’s super is just so bad

Like, it’s basically unusable on f40. You use it outside of phase 1 and you just die

Cos you can’t shield, she has no DR and you’re just sitting duck

[true mauve]

Like specialist

[bitter estuary]

even with executioner and that super boost?

[bitter estuary]

what region again

[gritty rune]

Yes, cos the issue isn’t the damage, its that you just get bursted down

[calm vortex]

I kinda just used it to burn down some annoying adds so I could more safely deal with the boss

[floral crescent]

is there any way to check my in game hours on pc ?

[bitter estuary]

damn

[pulsar coral]

What is your power level and Tlevel?

[gritty rune]

Jaren heals with his super and you can stack a lot of DR on him so he’s fine, but Maru’s just makes you a paper crane

[twilit thistle]

Idk much about it but I think Jaren needs stronger abilities for sure. Maybe his dodge could start health regen, or something. Other one could target shields, or just be more useful? Idk. His super was kinda… odd too. QOL needed in general outside of a buff. Anyways I gotta get these finals done 😂

[weak ginkgo]

T6 74.800 why?

[bitter estuary]

dang that's insane

[stark forge]

isnt her artifact give shield when hitting multiple enemies ?

[gritty rune]

You get overshield when you do spread damage yes, but the later end of 31-40 can jusr one or 2 shot you

Like the snipers in the boss stage will just 2 shot you

[calm vortex]

31~40 is an endurance run you definitely have to play more careful compared to the usual floors where you can just face tank everything

[stark forge]

but they cant while im hitting with super, once super ends i can just pop shield and continue

[gritty rune]

And my Maru is 73k t2 so not underinvested

[stark forge]

i run maru 71k t0 here

[gritty rune]

Idk I just stopped bothering with super on her

[calm vortex]

My Maru is T1 but she was under power for 31~40 so it took ages to clear

[stark forge]

having overshield stats on artifact definitely helps a lot

[gritty rune]

40 is where I got stuck for ages. Yoy jyst have to play so defensively

[vocal hawk]

Yeah I'm having trouble with 40 on a 73k Maru

[calm vortex]

at the point where I was under power I either lost cause I took one shot from a sniper cause I wasnt being careful or I didnt manage my resources well enough so I didnt have the damage to beat the stage timer

[gritty rune]

On solar side I just went guns blazing though lol

[pulsar coral]

I’m at T6 71k so I was wondering

[calm vortex]

Then I did both sides with my Wolf and it was really easy cause hes actually at power lol

[stark forge]

maybe swap to present fleet smart bomb, that should clear the run easier

[gritty rune]

You can just facetank everything with jaren as long as you are doing damage

[pulsar coral]

What does QOL mean?

[stark forge]

quality of life

[gritty rune]

Quality of life. Mostly his S2, it’s just jank

You have to hold if you want ti hit anything with it

[weak ginkgo]

His dodge has so much potential as his Q. If they can work on that will make things much better

[gritty rune]

I think ever character after Gwynn had adjustments a week after launch though? So I guess he’ll get something too?

Gwynn seems to be just like, abandoned lol

[pulsar coral]

Imagine if they thought he was overtuned and actually nerfed him 😭😭

[weak ginkgo]

They have to. Cuz no many are happy with it. Im not saying all that cuz I can’t complete some stage ln expanse. But the fact that he has to be worked on

[gritty rune]

Nerfing characters after launch in gacha is literally how you EoS

Like not even joking, you get lawsuits

[weak ginkgo]

Not sure why they had to touch the T6 though… makes no sense

[karmic chasm]

Then there’s hope for me

[gritty rune]

What did his T6 do before?

[weak ginkgo]

The blaz shot was stack to 2 etc they got rid of it

[gritty rune]

So it just refreshed both stacks instead of giving you 1 extra?

[weak ginkgo]

That extra stack boost the % of the damage which stacks up to 8 which is crazy for jaren

[calm vortex]

Also if you want the funny with Jaren's S2 its that it cant aim up, it can only aim down or straight so if your trying to lob it when tapping the button it just goes straight but tapping the button when aiming down works fine

[gritty rune]

It just should not have a curved lob. It needs to shoot straight

[weak ginkgo]

They really need to get some work done this Thursday

Temp 5 star should feel strong and feel like temp banner. Not a like a 4 star

[gritty rune]

Imagine if sales get -60% again this month lol

[weak ginkgo]

Wouldn’t be surprised

[wheat ferry]

They're just allergic to making money at this point lol

[gritty rune]

I mean, I don’t think he feels like a 4 star considering umeko is probably the strongest 4 star right now and even her at t6 isn’t even close to him

[calm vortex]

Well technically it does fly straight over a certain distance before falling, it is a grenade, I got used to aiming it already so I havent really had any problems with the skill, theres even some minor auto tracking to the grenade

[gritty rune]

Tbh every 4 star that’s not umeko is just kind of bad

[weak ginkgo]

Don’t get me wrong I love jaren. My 2 fav character. But he has so much potential and they haven’t put that full potential in use

[gritty rune]

My main problem with him is downtime and s2 being jank

Numbers wise in his stag state he’s fine

[weak ginkgo]

Doesnt make sense for me to wait around 20 sec to stack my thing

[soft bobcat]

Is Wolf a Joke to you?

[weak ginkgo]

Downtime too long abilities feel week.

[gritty rune]

Idk 🤷‍♀️

[calm vortex]

I honestly dont feel the jank its pretty inuitive how the dash works once you've used it once or twice, you can even control how far the dash actually travels if you want to stay in a certain area

[gritty rune]

You gotta hold for it to hit where you want

[calm vortex]

But you dont? I tap the button exclusively and always hit what im aiming at

[pulsar coral]

another reason I asked what Tlevel and power is because you’re stating that he needs a buff and your T6 with 74,000 power. So imagine how a T0 would feel. That goes to show. He definitely needs a buff lol

[gritty rune]

But it curves down. And that just feels weird and unintuitive

[astral bear]

What was Jaren’s t6 nerf

[soft bobcat]

I kinda agree otherwise. All of the other legendaries are kinda Niche more or less. But this 75k Wolf keeps showing up and dominating everything.

[gritty rune]

Wait, did buffed helhest? I thought her ‘buff’ was the general buff to bows

[weak ginkgo]

100% not sure how they felt

[calm vortex]

Bows got buffed themselves by a small amount, helhest got an indirect nerf a while ago when they changed how axiom is factored into buff calcs

[karmic chasm]

Rossi stocks are up

[gritty rune]

Estella got directly buffed and Maru had a nice QoL

[pulsar coral]

A buff to S1 and I’d be pretty happy. I think thats 75% of the fun with him. At least for me lol

[gritty rune]

Rossi probably will get better with TD mode, he just doesn’t fit the current endgame meta where it’s all about speedrunning

[gritty rune]

His S1 is definitely the coolest thing in his kit. Marking everything and firing it in midair is just satisfying

[calm vortex]

Know what would be a sick change to Jaren's S1 for me? If you hold the button with no targets and Jaren starts doing gun tricks

[gritty rune]

If you spam it with no targets he spins his pistols, basically

[pulsar coral]

I like Jaren because he’s fun to run in chaos and expanse. Helhest was such a sludge for me. I hated running her through these modes

[indigo solar]

this is a myth

[gritty rune]

His super probably could use a change maybe? It’s damage is fine but the animation is just awkward

[indigo solar]

they don't do it frequently because it's unpopular, but it's completely legal

[novel sable]

the main campaign of rising was terrible come on 😭

[pulsar coral]

it feels awkward for me because it looks like completely shooting at my target but somehow I miss??

[gritty rune]

I can’t remember which gacha but there was a lawsuit made in China on grounds of false advertising

[indigo solar]

The char quests are great tho (sans Maru/Jaren)

[indigo solar]

and who won

[vocal hawk]

I've heard this rumor going around for years but nobody's ever able to say which game or company.

[calm vortex]

Oh right reminds me I was messing around with Jaren and Niaatiks and I think Welling Light is giving a new damage instance to Lash LOL

[gritty rune]

And I can only think of 1 gacha that ever nerfed a limited unit, and it did not go down well lol

Crusader Quest with May I think? She was just stupid broken in PvP

[vocal hawk]

That's the reason why it doesn't happen, because it's unpopular. Not because it got them in legal trouble.

[calm vortex]

I mean I know a gacha game right now that revolves around changing and rebalancing characters, its called Starward and they havent had any legal troubles at all

its mostly about setting expectations and managing reputational damage

[gritty rune]

It doesn’t matter, it’s disastrous PR

The issue isn’t so much that you can get sued, and more like, your revenue would drop like a brick since whales won’t trust you anymore

[pulsar coral]

Did any Jaren players buy the skin??

[calm vortex]

Welling light IS giving an extra damage instance to Lash thats sick

its not even consuming an extra welling light stack either

[gritty rune]

Wasn’t that some really tiny game with like a super niche playerbase?

[calm vortex]

Its gotten a lot larger and expanded a ton, they basically have a collab every month too, im so proud of it

they even have server support for most major regions now

[gritty rune]

And wasn’t the game like, entirely pvp?

[calm vortex]

Yeap, its 2v2 PvP based like Gundam VS which is why they rebalance characters a lot for competitive stuff

[gritty rune]

I mean, you kind of need to balance it then

[pulsar coral]

I’m interested in seeing some 3rd POV of it

[calm vortex]

they set the expectation its what they would be doing pretty early on and people havent really had any problems with it despite being a gacha game

[gritty rune]

Idk why people play PvP gachas though, it just sounds straight up p2win

[calm vortex]

it does have an offline arcade mode and trial stuff you can play around in but its primarily PvP based

[gritty rune]

Well, yeah cos you can’t not balance in PvP. Like how DR nerfed guns that basically nerfed certain characters for SG as well

[simple plank]

My poor goat Kabr getting a blind nerf cause he’s too strong….

[gritty rune]

PvE is a whole different expectation and you get some ridiculous stuff like Dragalia Lost balancing the entire game around an overpowered character instead of nerfing her

Also why couldn’t jaren use heavy machine gun smh

Then I’d be able to use the goated gun that is gallows

[novel sable]

sans helhest sans gwynn (only umekos was good [havent played estela or rossi's but people say those are good]) sans every other 4 star

umeko's questline was fire her and wolf have hella chemistry

like reze and denji even tho she was tricking him what they had was real....

[gritty rune]

Sad how character quests fell off hard

Maru and Jaren’s were so bad like zero effort put into it

[novel sable]

They were never impressive in the first place but Faaaahhhhhhhh

[gritty rune]

Idk, I had a lot of fun with the campaign and quests like Estella

[novel sable]

Tell me youre losing money without telling me youre losing money

[gritty rune]

The writing was never great but they were really fun to play through

[soft bobcat]

That's a bit of a reach

[novel sable]

I miss good writing in videogames when can that come back

why do i have to play destiny flavored ai slop campaign

[gritty rune]

In… not gachas. Like play Expedition 33 or something

Live service games just inherently have problems making good writing because there’s too many resource constraints and deadlines

[novel sable]

why not just hire people who are actually good at writing damn

[gritty rune]

Because even people good at writing would struggle to go write stuff every month, and also write around needing to sell the latest character

[soft bobcat]

Are you able to fund this effort?

[vocal hawk]

also the nature of live service games demand they're an infinite content machine and not having an ending is bad writing

[novel sable]

idk im too much of a perfectionist to understand the people at netease storyboarding the character quests and being like that pic of young thug in the studio like "man this sucks, drop it"

[gritty rune]

They can end. Like Honkai Impact ended its story and started a Part 2, but it’s just too rushed for anyone to make a masterpiece in the format

[compact crescent]

Good video games still get released plus we have a massive old library to chose from, I still discover great games that I never played that are old as heck. Those who chose to play slop got nobody to blame but themselves. ☕

[novel sable]

when youre writing an ever evolving world you just have to write it like its an ever evolving world not a story with an ending

do you have to write a "new book" every few months sure but ay thats the job

[soft bobcat]

So.. exactly like this campaign was written. With an open ending

[novel sable]

okay? the csmpaign still sucked

[gritty rune]

I don’t mind ‘slop’ as long as it’s enjoyable .

Like DR’s campaign can be summed up as ‘Wolf you’re special, now take this gun and kill aliens’ but it was fun

Plenty of popcorn moments like the sparrow chase with rhe devil shank

[novel sable]

Tbf destiny's campaign was that too it was the writing of the villains that made it so special, like oryx

[gritty rune]

But Maru and Jaren’s were just both narratively and gameplaywise boring

[soft bobcat]

It really did up until the Ayuela quest. And after that going into Red Sea there was some pretty nice story and character building.

[novel sable]

the best GAMEPLAY in any kind of story in this game was estela's quest bar none

bar absolutely nothing i only played the first mission and it absolutely cooked

[indigo solar]

HH and Gwynn's stories were good, better than the average D2 seasonal storyline

[novel sable]

Bar is in hell

[indigo solar]

#💭│main-chat message

[gritty rune]

Idk what happened with the last 2 mythics. I guess budgets got slashed

[karmic iron]

pew pew pew

[compact crescent]

Gwynn had the worst story, she is basically hunting down someome trying to redeem themselves and she ends up crippling him.

[novel sable]

Saladin and harlow's story and the ahamkara was interesting, even if executed awfully with terrible dialogue and terrible voice acting. ayuela's story was insanely bland and you could see every single thing that was going to happen

[gritty rune]

I don’t have Gwynn and so didn’t play her quest but from the first part of it she was just annoying

[vocal hawk]

Gwynn's intro quest being about her having an affinity for the sword logic and then the character quest being about a guy named Kyle was some heavy whiplash

[gritty rune]

Like, some sort of an adult that never got past their teenage edgelord phase

[novel sable]

ayyyy like me

now my flavor of edgelord is jaren

[compact crescent]

Harlow also had a trash story. To quote her: "Ill take responsability for my actions."
Spoiler, she never does. She almost doomed everyone and it was mever brought up. 💀

[soft bobcat]

I mean yeah to a point you could see what was going to happen with Ayuela's story. But it was still heart-felt and it wasn't like you knew EXACTLY what happened.

[novel sable]

... yea i lowkey did and i even knew ayuela was going to cry at the end of it and say something dumb like "i need some time" its just so brain numbingly cookie cutter i lost braincells

[gritty rune]

I thought it was pretty stupid that it just ends with Saladin going ‘yeah it was all the dragon magic’s fault this entire time’ instead of like, you know, exploring the nuance of how power and ambition corrupts people

[simple plank]

Saladin Radaghast doomed Yaoi

[novel sable]

true she annoyed me but you CANNOT LIE and tell me that the ENTIRE REASON THE VEX ARE AROUND being because of harlow making a wish wasnt at least KINDA cool

[soft bobcat]

At which point? Before even beginning the quest? Sure the result was kinda cookie cutter. But we really didn't know enough about Ayuela's parents to predict it completely at the very stat of the mission did we?

[novel sable]

well the whole goddamn campaign was "pretty stupid" and the entire script should have been thrown in the trash but that sequence was actuallt quite the interesting concept, especially because radegast is raising one as well

[simple plank]

The part where Wolf says he’s not a lightbearer, he’s a guardian

[gritty rune]

Shows up, caused an entire malevolent race to show up in reality that humanity still has to deal with a hundred years later, ‘I’m gonna drown myself, bye’

[novel sable]

raises questions, unlike everything else in the campaign

[simple plank]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[novel sable]

we are destiny rising, we carry the light we'll fight for the traveler we'll honor his... light

[simple plank]

It’s our Destiny to be Rising chat

[gritty rune]

Idk Destiny seems to be falling at the moment

[novel sable]

at the moment? been falling since forsaken

[twilit owl]

Of the galaxy? Also why does Wolf have a black outfit during Jaren cutscene?

[compact crescent]

Nah, it was stupid 102% with a 2% margin of error.

[gritty rune]

Wasn’t Final Shape like, good?

[novel sable]

alright well i also hate the entire campaign too so there

[simple plank]

Final shape was the ending that’s why it’s good

[vocal hawk]

Final Shape was in fact really good

We've had bits and pieces of good

[gritty rune]

Apparently Renegades is decent as well?

Like, not amazing but still is fun

[devout horizon]

Me when free counter lawsuits

[simple plank]

Also we can say what we want about Drising’s moments of blandness, at least it’s a starting campaign people can play lol

[vocal hawk]

Haven't had a chance to play it, I've been without internet and my console for about a week

[novel sable]

good if you still managed to care about the characters after years of mid didnt numb you to whatever was happening. Of course cayde being back meant the story was good because people actually cared about cayde. the witness sucks as a villain tho

[compact crescent]

Renegade is literally repackaged old content. Imagine buying twice Red War content.

[gritty rune]

I’m just concerned that the next campaign is gonna be Maru/Jaren quest quality

[novel sable]

Uhhhhhhh like 5 missions and ends with the classic "destroys the bad guys' current plan to end the world but the bad guys are still out there so grind activities and maybe you'll fight them in the raid (we aren't going to fight them in the raid)"

[vocal hawk]

Edge of Fate's story was also pretty good, it's just that the systems changes were so disastrously bad that it offset any good vibes I had towards the plot being alright

[simple plank]

We’ll see. People love their Crota

[gritty rune]

Like imagine making us wait 7 months for it to be just kill things in reused maps and run an old strike again

[simple plank]

Give me Saladin summon and we Gucci

[gritty rune]

Like the campaign had … basic writing but what made it fun was all the popcorn moments and set pieces

[novel sable]

at this point genuinely anything that destiny 2 could ever put out feels like "old content" because the game itself is just so outrageously stale

[devout horizon]

How would Saladin as a unit work if we can literally find him in the overworld

[simple plank]

Twinsies

[gritty rune]

Are there any good live service FPS that’s PvE besides Destiny?

[devout horizon]

Why’d you say good and destiny

[simple plank]

Warframe is popular

[novel sable]

dont say warframe is 3rd person. dont do it.

[gritty rune]

Warframe is 3rd person

[novel sable]

NAAAAAAAAUAUUUUUAUAUAUUUAUAUOOOUUGHHH

[compact crescent]

Destiny Rising is 3rd person. 💀

[gritty rune]

Although Warframe tbh is more of an ARPG than a shooter at this point lol

[simple plank]

I like third person…

[gritty rune]

With a FPS option which I use 100% of the time

[simple plank]

Occasionally

[novel sable]

warframe's story is evidence that there's no excuse to having an awful story if the free to play live service game can have an amazing one

[compact crescent]

You see less of your surroundings and can't see your drip.

[gritty rune]

Warframe is honestly more ability focused than guns

[gritty rune]

I don’t care about drip

[novel sable]

dude oh my god warframe is a free to play live service game without the money making cow of gatcha and it has GENUIIIINNNNEEEEE DATINNGG SIMMM MECHANIICCSSS

[twilit owl]

Mandalorian Mythosaur looking patch on Jaren... Renegades crossover. Coincidence?

[novel sable]

OH MY GOD WARFRAME IS A FREE TO PLAY LIVE SERVICE LOOTER SHOOTER AND YOU GET TO PLAY PERSONA 5 DATING SIM ON THE SIDE

[compact crescent]

Warframe's story is all over the place. Some quest are good while others are absolute trash. Also they are now funneling resources for other game so its cooked now.

[vocal hawk]

Woah somebody owns it

[novel sable]

NetEase being a gigantic company with all of the cash cows it has ESPECIALLY shouldnt be getting away with awful stories

their standards are in the floor for some reason but they really dont have to be

[gritty rune]

I still don’t know what relevance does 1999 have with the overall plot

[simple plank]

the same relevance the 60's have with Edge of Fate

[gritty rune]

And tbh I don’t think even DE knows what the Man in the Wall even wants

[compact crescent]

None, but we get to get freaky with developer self inserts.

[gritty rune]

They’re just making stuff up as they go along

[wheat ferry]

Outriders had a good premise for a story

[stark forge]

warframe story doesnt make any sense unless u review the finished operations, events and read the orokin archive

[simple plank]

Borderlands exists, which is as high praise it can get nowadays

[vocal hawk]

Fourth dimensional beings arranged history to lead up to sending a message to the protagonists?

[twilit owl]

My favourite LB outfit

[gritty rune]

It still doesn’t make sense

[cursive stone]

Met a guy saying he’s still playing this game cuz it has more endgame than borderlands 4 😭

[simple plank]

ye

[vocal hawk]

I haven't played Warframe in like 6 years so I don't know how serious you're being

[devout horizon]

Anyways, back from the jjk execution movie. Animation is great.

[simple plank]

new warlock that summons Taniksoraga rn

[dusk quiver]

inb4 dmca takedown

[gritty rune]

Tbh the current story is quite simple. Operator made a deal with an entity that exists outside of time and Alberich kind of invited it in.

Said entity maybe has some sort of grand plan but who the hell knows cos DE doesn’t even know

[twilit owl]

Am I tripping? Maybe it's something else 😅

[gritty rune]

Man in the Wall is less of a character at this point and more of just an excuse for DE to make stuff happen

[pulsar coral]

👀

[gritty rune]

Like, why is he in Duivari? Who the hell knows

[dusk quiver]

disney vs bungie

[compact crescent]

You think too much, just focus on the big booty french nun and glaze DE.

[dusk quiver]

“this wasnt in our contract!”

[gritty rune]

Why is he following Alberich around through time? Errrr

[calm vortex]

its always fun when people figure out the thing in the game universe that all events and stories take place at the same "time"

[compact crescent]

I wonder if writing is so bad nowadays because of the writer strike that happened in the early 2000s.

[gritty rune]

And anything that makes zero sense just gets explained with Eternalism

[torn sigil]

i almost forgot about warframe lmaooo

[devout horizon]

We have a few gems every now and then

[gritty rune]

Like how does time travelling work without running the universe into a loop? Eternalism means it doesn’t matter

[compact crescent]

All indies. 🤔

[devout horizon]

Wait he’s right

[gritty rune]

Not magic, Eternalism