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[frail fractal]

When i start the game,can i choose my character from male to female?(I chose male mistakenly)

[dusty spire]

Hunter titan warlock, seems like you favour hunters..

[short locust]

Oh. Not necessarily. I just didn't like Gywnns sidearms, Estalla standing still is boring, Helhest allllmost got me because she's busted but I still don't like her, and Maru's shield gimmick isn't fun to me.

Jaren tho? Got all the style, diverse weapons, and looks busted 💀

[dusty spire]

Hell is a hunter I think

[cyan beacon]

IIRC you can change this later but I could be mistaken. pretty sure I switched genders at one point early on

[dusty spire]

Maru is definitely busted too lol 😝

[candid tusk]

Jaren actually looks pretty mid so far to be honest but mostly because they shouldn't have let helhest come out with multiple times the dmg of every character

[short locust]

Meh, I wasn't impressed by her

[coarse sparrow]

they're bringing last word with the laconic ornament 😭

[lofty gale]

Which character?

[candid tusk]

you get bonus dmg into shinkas of the same type...

[dusty spire]

Maru

[short locust]

Aren't Shinka Ogres rapid?

[dusty spire]

Org rapid yup 👍🏾

[empty kettle]

This ain't loading for me

[buoyant totem]

Thanks I’ll try it out again when I have time

[lofty gale]

Oh yeah she does a lot of damage

[white fossil]

maru is actually cracked

[dusty spire]

It won’t for most people but I’ll just a lot of noise and talk here

[candid tusk]

either way, maru is insanely mid as well. she's "ok" at aoeing but terrible single target dps

[dusty spire]

Not enough real testing and logics just saying. It’s a lot of gacha bias.

[mental dagger]

Maru has 0 use case besides being a void spread that isnt ikora

[candid tusk]

yep

[dusty spire]

Just to let you know that echos to everything around it, and also that’s what I thought.

[white fossil]

maru can spam her blast when shes taking damage with the shield, ive had 6 in a row in like 5 seconds on a few bosses now

[gritty rune]

But that’s every character who isn’t helhest or Ning

[dusty spire]

Until you actually test and use her and see it’s just noise lol

[mental dagger]

Humble 1 qb shot:

[white fossil]

idk if 1 qb shot is halving calamity ops boss but sure, thats valid

[short locust]

Netease wanting my firstborn child per character makes testing hard 💀

[dusty spire]

I’ll happily go into GM to show when I’m free lol bring your best guns

[candid tusk]

taking "ranged dmg" with the shield, so melee doesn't do anything for it, and also in calam ops this sucks because you're trying to clear things so fast which is one of the two main reasons people run rampaging pact...for weapon dmg and because you get more reliable dmg than waiting for overshield from something shooting you since it's too slow

and if it wasn't for the balls mechanic, you'd never be getting absorbs

[short locust]

Yeah taking damage gimmicks rarely ever feel good in any game

[mental dagger]

She will barely refund in calams outside of the boss which is normally not an issue (and she will still not have impressive damage) as soon as the balls are gone

[dusty spire]

Btw that’s old, I’m hitting Milly’s now

[mental dagger]

My double mythic hel is up rn if eu

[dusty spire]

The next one to that would be xuan but it slower. Hell is queen so far

[candid tusk]

i'll venture to guess if you go dps a spread shinka in the shooting range that helhest does 5-10 TIMES your damage in a 10 sec window

[dusty spire]

I’d win

[candid tusk]

sick trolls bro

[dusty spire]

Single target hell I will fall off quicker I think

[gritty rune]

Nah I’d win

[candid tusk]

helhest would outdps you in aoe and single target, it doesn't actually matter tbh

[dusty spire]

I’m I’m just speaking from experience please don’t war me lol

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-722934852497975468

[mental dagger]

As the highest calam score as of rn on t1 maru
Mid is generous
Same for when I used a t6 one

[gritty rune]

Ma/ru?

[candid tusk]

i have a 74k t6 of both, god rolls on helhest and 4/4 and 3/4 on maru and it's 10x the dps difference. i can already tell you the answer

[dusty spire]

She wouldn’t I’m telling you lol unless she can do 1 million x what ever targets are in the radius lol

[mental dagger]

Just a void+spread break stick

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-gojo-legs-gojo-dance-gif-6823027209359514038

[dusty spire]

Then if you have it go do what I done with maths lol

[candid tusk]

i think you are very confused on what helhest does for dps compared to maru

[dusty spire]

Why argue with me I have proof, it’s all noise let’s leave it there shall we lol.

[gritty rune]

Why are we discussing the worst game mode in the game anyways? Do your 100k score for a cluster and move on.

Stop torturing yourselves

[dusty spire]

Ok if it keeps you happy I’ll agree LOL

[mental dagger]

I am down to run a gm and compare who does more to the boss

[candid tusk]

just do a 10 sec target dummy on a shinka

[gritty rune]

Imagine doing 2 hours of unstuck simulator for £3 of leaves

[mental dagger]

I probably also happen to have the highest dmg on maru on a good clear
All it took to be 6 mils behind helhest is her being dead half the boss phase 💀

[empty kettle]

Just to do it again

[dusty spire]

Your both raging and missing the point

[gritty rune]

Enjoying CO must be some sort of clinical condition

[dusty spire]

Ok I’ll wait go do your Maru run and bring your dmg capture

[mental dagger]

I mean your point is that under specific circumstances you can refund 6 qs that take as long to shoot as a qb shot to do less

[calm vortex]

Helhest's damage is also really easy cause you just pop your buffs and blast it in the face, doesnt even matter from which direction cause you auto lock weakpoints during her burst

[tight talon]

Most real statement

[empty kettle]

It's just the human urge to find change through insanity

[tight talon]

And I don't even use unstuck

[mental dagger]

We can run a gm and see if youll outdamage me while being buffed by my drone

[short locust]

I just wanna see clips purely to see character potential since all the content creators active rn make me want to rope

[dusty spire]

I’d love to but you get type of players here

[gritty rune]

CO gameplay in a nutshell

[dusty spire]

Add IGN Real

[candid tusk]

ok here's the math doing the highest dps possible on a 10 sec shinka on maru which falls off MASSIVELY after this, so this isn't sustainable for her at all, was 21.3 mil dmg, helhest did 49 mil dmg

[calm vortex]

Think the highest non-shinka 12s DPS cycle ive gotten on Xuan Wei is around 260k, this is solo without any group buffs, I'd love to see how I could do with group buffs but I have no friends lol

[mental dagger]

Random leaderboards mean nothing
Request the join you can see my name

[short locust]

Oh D2 was no different tbh. I pretend 80% of the internet is bots or reddit mods 💀 I just wanna see big number for characters I don't know enough about

[dusty spire]

Add and when I’m in game I’ll invite you chill lol

[leaden epoch]

I saw some talk about artifacts the other day for Jaren. Are people still thinking of using existing artifacts, the new set, or some mixture of both?

[candid tusk]

i think it's likely to use the new 3 and 4, maybe even the 1 and then i'm thinking unrelenting evolution for 2

[empty kettle]

Yes, yes and yes

[dusty spire]

I love helping players learn a thing or two lol

[candid tusk]

this guy is so delusionally insane it's wild, like who is this guy

[dusty spire]

Rude calling names

[severe stone]

ZkGYJDbd

[empty kettle]

Jaren ward becoming senator Armstrong with all that dmg resistance

[candid tusk]

bro you're out of control. no maru is not even remotely close to the top dps bro, just stop my man

[short locust]

I'm curious to see how the ability damage w/ OS in slot 3 works on him. 50% iirc constant ability damage is a ton for someone that rarely needs to shoot his gun

[dusty spire]

Ok and you do the damage I shown on Maru ?

[mental dagger]

He has a mastery similar to ning so odds are going for full on ability dmg wont be it

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[gritty rune]

Why does this even matter lmao.

It’s a gacha game. If NetEase doesn’t like helhest being top DPS they’ll add some BS mod to CO that ruins her

[dusty spire]

I’m just asking for science, because it’s a method and you would then present it otherwise noise

[short locust]

But his T6 ability cycle might be a closed loop, so you really only need to shoot on occasion to push though the last bit of Stag stacks you might be missing. Ning can't cycle his abilities endlessly

[gritty rune]

Like watch enemies all having 70% arc res or something stupid

[raw glade]

New expanse levels is sick. My Jolder will finally shine!

[candid tusk]

it's not hard, go to the shooting range, pull up a spread shinka, and dps it until the shields come back at 10 sec and save history, and show the output

[dusty spire]

Titan 💙

[empty kettle]

They will definitely have that in mind

[tight talon]

Nope, new ones are pretty mid. Someone suggested a build that I'll also likely follow

[dusty spire]

Solid Titan when you have sword play on hold for guard

[tight talon]

This one(thanks whoever made this)

[leaden epoch]

Thanks thats the one I saw the other day. I think they also mentioned substats after for 3 and 4.

I just plan on burning 360 energy in chaos first thing so trying to determine what to select

[tight talon]

Substats is alright, we just need to find double+ gold thumbsup

[candid tusk]

it's unlikely that the new ones are going to be beat by anything for performance in slots 3 and 4

[tight talon]

240 for me today, gonna start burning tomorrow once Jaren's artifacts are live

[short locust]

I'm concerned about Artifact 3 requiring the flash to be cast first every time, which you won't be able to do all the time. BUT unbuffed might do enough damage where it doesn't matter so testing required

[tight talon]

Depends, could just be beta thing but they aren't any better than existing options

[candid tusk]

3 sec longer duration than veil, and the other one is better than anything if you want weapon dmg and ability dmg

[short locust]

The new Slot 4 is great, but Slot 3 didn't look any good at first glance

[mental dagger]

all damage vs just signa damage of belicose

[tight talon]

will see if it's the same on release. Even Maru's Slot III and Slot IV were the same on CC videos

[candid tusk]

yeah we aren't 100% certain yet but like the new 4 slot i "think" will work on every cast because it "throws a blind" into space and it's just there so ning can't use it, but if it requires the blind to hit a target then we're just using valiant veil

[short locust]

Normally I'd agree, but from what I could napkin math, his abilities should be an overwhelming majority of his clear and burst so it might not be an issue. He maybe be changed come tomorrow too, so it's all speculation

[mental dagger]

need to see how much his wpn damage scales with mastery

[short locust]

I feel his weapon mastery won't be a big deal outside of the occasional time you'll be on CD

[candid tusk]

this isn't how this works though. like weapon enhancement is TERRIBLE on maru because her weapon damage doesn't scale with weapon mastery, but we still run weapon damage artifacts and weapon enhancement because you need to be able to kill mobs in calam ops runs with the weapon in certain amounts of time, etc. so it's unlikely you'll not build for weapon unless he has near 100% uptime on the relic skill which he won't because of his weapon mastery

[short locust]

Well that's the thing. The way his T6 works, be might actually have 100% uptime. That's precisely why I'm making this point

[candid tusk]

i highly doubt it. i think it's going to be 40% max but we'll see

[short locust]

Idk. A full 6 stack kill grants 12 stacks of Stag, and he has 4 casts at T6 since you start at 48. 1 refunded + 3. Any kills less than 6 has built in CD refund too. I simmed 6, 5, 4, 3, and even 2 kills per cast and they all cycle

[candid tusk]

we'll see but I think he's going to be using weapon with weapon mastery a lot.

i'm super worried about the optimal usage of the last word. if the buffs stack you'll have to last hit something with ADS, last hit something with hipfire, and then alternate shots into ADS precision and hipfire within 5 sec windows to maintain stacks?

[tight talon]

I mean honestly, only Blind casters like Attal and Kabr could use it realistically, but they can't utilise it either. Terrible design imo

[mental dagger]

look at cata 3
iirc it just makes stacks permanent no?

[tight talon]

Cause they don't cast blind, rather their abilities on hit/on summon cast blind on opponents

[short locust]

Yeah I'm not super convinced on TLW either, but Im completely blind on that so I won't comment

[short locust]

Worth noting. This entire loop falls apart the instant his High noon doesn't kill ads in 1 shot. (Match game shields most likely) which is why I'm so keen on maxxing ability damage

[candid tusk]

no because they have 5 sec duration

[candid tusk]

definitely possible

[dusty spire]

Weapon damage is great on Maru

[robust sequoia]

Where are you seeing last word Catas?

[candid tusk]

weapon damage is worse on maru than any character in the game but estela... literally scales the 2nd worst in the game, but still required for calam ops

[dusty spire]

If you say so lol

[short locust]

Maru's mastery is flat damage scaled right?

[candid tusk]

it scales on ability strength, sig boost, and void boost

[mental dagger]

In vids of early access showcase

[indigo solar]

Most of her damage is from ability damage, bc the submunitions are wholly ability based and not weapon based

[dusty spire]

I don’t use ability damage Maru

[mental dagger]

Wouldn't go as far as required but it helps a bit

[robust sequoia]

By who? JoeNova skipped going over last word.

[proud meadow]

thoughts on the vid with 2 jaren doing grandmaster?

[worldly hazel]

Jaren out yet

[dusty spire]

But definitely would use it to crack shields if necessary, situational….

[candid tusk]

i mean i think there's a significant difference if you don't run weapon dmg in artifacts and no weapon enhance vs doing so, because super boost is pretty much useless and you can't spam Qs all match and blasts are horrible on harpies

[cyan tide]

The same goes for Jaren tho, and the description specifies "attempting to inflict blind"

[vocal hawk]

ThatUnknown has videos on Last Word
Check out #🎥丨creator-showcase

[robust sequoia]

Thank you

[mental dagger]

You do
Like more than half of your damage is from mastery and not from the gl itself

[dusty spire]

Yes I’m aware of her ability build like they show cased I don’t use that, but I can..has decent performance

[lost fog]

I’ve gotten Rossi-11

[vocal hawk]

#🎥丨creator-showcase message
Here's a shortcut

[candid tusk]

your weapon mastery is literally ability damage, which is where most of your damage is coming from, just from firing the weapon

[dusty spire]

Why are you telling me when I don’t play ability based Maru ?
Can we not do that lol

[mental dagger]

Its physically impossible for you to not be on ability damage maru unless you are m0

[dusty spire]

Please mute me I have no time for noise

Like I said and shown it’s not an ability based build I use but yall keep talking lol

[tight talon]

Yeah that's why I am hella not enthusiastic about new artifacts. Usually they all have been bangers since Helhest

[mental dagger]

To go gun damage maru you need like
Solar or exotic gl
Unkeveled mastery
And artefacts with weapon ench dmg and non void gun damage

[indigo solar]

Um, no. Only weapons grant stacks on precision hit. Blazing Shot only grants a stack if it defeats a combatant. This means you can only get 6 stacks per cast (or theoretically 12 if you one tap 6 elites). Blazing Shot also does not add stacks of Skill Rewarded (the 2/3 conversion boost)

[dusty spire]

I must be playing a different game then I guess.

[mental dagger]

Seems so

[short locust]

Footage says otherwise. I didn't believe it either, but the ability description says adds a stack on hit or kill, but it might be that it should say and

[mental dagger]

Idk what build you need to have to shoot a gl and have more damage come from your gun than mastery

[dusty spire]

Keep guessing I guess

[cyan tide]

I mean, Helhest generally doesn't use slot 4 axion. And a lot of people don't run slot 3 blazar on Maru
There's always been good and bad pieces
Slot 1 and 2 are usually up to preference

[candid tusk]

yes but if you need weapon dmg and ability dmg on jaren, the new slot 3 and 4 are his best bet, even if it's barely. they're barely upgrades but still upgrades. if we can do mostly ability dmg then this would change

[short locust]

0 to 6 on 3 enemies (Non elites too) . I genuinely think the ability description is a bit off

[candid tusk]

you're talking about the stag stacks and not the last word stacks though?

[short locust]

Yeah, I never mentioned TLW

[cyan tide]

I think that's fine, new sets shouldn't make old ones completely irrelevant

[short locust]

This is ofc subject to change, like any part of his kit

[candid tusk]

yeah i'm not complaining. i'm just saying it's "likely" that we use them on jaren instead of other ones but who knows

[tight talon]

Been using only 3rd for Helhest specifically.

But her I and Maru's III are pretty good on Attal. Attal's only lacking a decent IV that's not Hawkeye and I had high hopes Jaren's Blind Artifacts would complete her

[candid tusk]

also i don't think that changes what taniks said here. which is it doesn't give skill rewarded

[tight talon]

I do however run full II, III and IV Maru with exception of I with Ring of Healing

[short locust]

Don't need it. That kicks in to top off any stacks you may be missing IF you are missing any to get to 48 and cycle again

[frozen nimbus]

Are the bow buffs any good?

[indigo solar]

Oh, great. We love inaccurate descriptions. Anyways, where are you getting that it has 4 charges? Blazing Shot has one charge, it's Emergency Evasion that has 2

[tight talon]

Jaren releases tomorrow and we already got tons of misinformation

[naive ingot]

This is the way...

[indigo solar]

This is what happens when in game effects don't match descriptions

[candid tusk]

i mean helhest has been out for 2 months and they only just stealth fixed a bug in her kit 3 weeks ago and still haven't fixed overclocked shot

[short locust]

His T6 makes it so casting an ability and going into stag protection grants 3 total casts of higg noon draw, and refunds all of them. Cast 1, then capacity up + refund shoots you to 3. In theory, that should be 4 in 1 cycle

[candid tusk]

correct and this is an issue with how they translate to english, which should be a lot more accurate at this point with AI assistance in translation

[tight talon]

Helhest is really buggy, like released in 5 days character. Grom doesn't talk when you open Ghost menu and for some weird reason you can equip Impact and Spread artifacts on her

[proud meadow]

it shot 3 enemies, 2 times each which is 6. it says dealing damage or defeating combatants

[short locust]

Yeah that's my point. The description should be and, not or

[lone lion]

Definitely going for Jaren

[proud meadow]

or it shot 1 time 3 combatants each and defeanted 3 combatants. so 6 idk

[short locust]

It Def didn't shoot each guy twice either. There's only 3 numbers and he got ability refunded for not shooting all 6 rounds

[indigo solar]

"Will temporarily gain one additional charge." It starts out with only one charge, so that should put it at 2. Basic, stag extra, basic. Also, even if you did have 2 at base, basic + stag + basic + basic only puts you at 48 stacks, but doesn't proc stag again. You'd either need to wait for Blazing to cool down or cast Emergency Evasion to activate, but then you're left with only 3 uses

[gritty rune]

Most boring character in the game held up by broken kit

[proud meadow]

so must be the second thing i said

shot 3, killed 3, 3 refunded

[short locust]

Evasion gets 1 charge back when you get 48 stacks, so you could pop it in between just to move around, and nearly instantly refund it, and still have 2 banked

[broken dirge]

Why r Dest. Players so stuck up and unwilling 2 b patient with other young players , We need u Mentors for help , without it your existence in destiny is futile , please help

[gritty rune]

I wonder how long it takes to get charges tho

[indigo solar]

Yeah but if you use evasion to proc it then you would only get 3 charges of Blazing, which isn't enough. And again, you don't even get 3 charges

[tight talon]

She's like weird. You need her drones to generate charges for ammo from teammates. Yet their range for data collection is big but buff radius is pretty small.

[gritty rune]

You need like 20-25 precision shots assuming 1-2 uses of s1 to get 48 so I kind of wonder how long that takes

[broken dirge]

Lol

[tight talon]

I think it could be possible, Vows is actually a Handcannon for once and not some sword or shield or bracelet for once.

[empty kettle]

Nah

[gritty rune]

And if you kill stuff too fast you get charges slower so this could be kind of weird

[tight talon]

Get gud. /s

[gritty rune]

Like if your team goes in and kills everything in seconds, you might end up barely getting any stag charges

Truly lone gunslinger, hates everyone else existing

[fresh anvil]

Any expert on Black Market special stock? Is each offer unique unique per account?

Example: If I buy a pull at -40% off, it will be out of rotation, and once all of them are sold out no more pulls will be sold?

[broken dirge]

Without New lights u have no Destiny, remember Big shotterz

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-gunslinger-golden-gun-subclass-solar-gif-26447382

[broken dirge]

B patient

[gritty rune]

Is this your first MMO?

[raw glade]

What game are you calling an MMO

[dusty spire]

About to say

[short locust]

So you'd be at 36 stacks by the end of the loop (Assuming 6 kills, but less is fine because CD refund) , and have 8 stacks of his weapon mastery split between both guns. 3 HC crits (which presumably should kill) would be 8 more stacks. 3 from crit, 3 from kill, and 2 from skill rewarded. 44 total. 2 quick shotgun shells later, you're back at 48, refund the flash you casted during the cycle, and have another blazing ready to start over. He should always be either casting abikites, or firing just a few shots with with weapon mastery

[empty kettle]

Btw, the mentor tag doesn't really mean much, since you have to do a checklist to get it

[gritty rune]

Or co-op shooter. Or whatever you want to call it

[raw glade]

what game are you calling a co-op shooter

[tight talon]

First sale if uniquely cheap then yes.

Most of time you are paying full price first before restocking discounts it for you

Also no spending black market coins for pulls is worst. You are paying more silver in form of coins for the pulls than just spending silver to leaves to pulls.

[gritty rune]

Raid Shadow Legends. Best game mankind ever made

[boreal river]

What game are you in the chat for

[indigo solar]

It will absolutely be a pretty short cooldown in high-density activities, but it won't be self-sustaining

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/raid-shadow-legends-raid-gif-20940490

[tight talon]

mods eviscerate this guy

[indigo solar]

Incorrect, it's cheaper to buy coins and buy draws with coins than buy draws directly

[past flame]

[tight talon]

doesn't 1 silver give like 100 coins

[gritty rune]

Are there raids in raid shadow legends?

[candid tusk]

i wish they'd increase mob density in strikes for calam ops honestly. there's too much running through empty space in all of them

[rustic moat]

Are there Shadows in Raid Shadow Legends?

[tight talon]

And you need like 30k-47k at the minimum for any x amount of pulls

[gritty rune]

No, you play as a vampire. So you don’t have a shadow

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[rustic moat]

Doesn’t sound very…legendary

[indigo solar]

Yes, and the base cost (before discounts) is 16,300 BM coins per draw. That's 163 silver. Buying directly is 180 silver

[true mauve]

Uhhh

[gritty rune]

Imagine getting LE pulls in BM anymore

[tight talon]

There's a limit?

[compact blade]

Only tokens for me

[fresh anvil]

I'm not paying silver/money for coins.

What I want to know is if I'm wasting my time waiting for best deals, and start spending my coins on BPW tokens

The tooltip says "special stock" does not restock, yet it "refreshes" each week. So I'm not sure if once you buy something from there is gone forever.

[dusty spire]

Seems so

[true mauve]

81500 ÷ 100 = 815, normally its 900 for a 5 draw

[gritty rune]

Idk but I’m not seeing them anymore

[tight talon]

Per pull comes down to 15300

[gritty rune]

It’s all blue boats. NetEase sneaking us yet again

[true mauve]

Thats 153 silver 27 cheaper than buying outright at 180

[indigo solar]

What they mean by that is that you can't restock an item after purchasing to purchase it again, you have to wait for the automatic refresh

[tight talon]

If you really want to spend Prioritize Photons first, then pulls.

Photons really don't drop and you need them for higher power on your exotics

[true mauve]

PvE is full of dissapoint. PvP never fails.

[gritty rune]

Nah, I play to sate my gambling addiction. Pulls first

[rustic moat]

Killing 1000 vex in shifting gates is going to be the death of me

[tight talon]

[compact blade]

How? They’re literally everywhere in there lolllll

[tight talon]

Any silver purchase to pulls is bad deal if you haven't finished all limited banner 999 silver bundles on store

[compact blade]

If you haven’t finished those bundles yet you don’t deserve access to Jaren Ward

[gritty rune]

Grinded SG to professor. Never again, would rather eat Lego bricks

[tight talon]

Cause you get 1800 worth for 999 without accounting for coupons

[true mauve]

Lol 🤣 yeah thats a given

[compact blade]

Threw in the towel early. Sheesh

[gritty rune]

I lost a part of my sanity in that grind

[true mauve]

Its cool though because $5 month deal gives BM tokens as well, so for $5 you get leaves and BM

[tight talon]

Never gonna finish them.

[rustic moat]

Well…it takes 5-10 mins to find a match. And im trying to not completely abandon my teammates 😂

[fresh anvil]

I'm not buying photons. I'm sure they will eventually be more accesible

[tight talon]

Well, upto you then.

[fresh anvil]

So they are sold out for you?

[gritty rune]

NetEase will make DR endgame good eventually, trust

[compact blade]

Exotics gonna be stuck at 9930 😂😂

[tight talon]

Doesn't appear at all for them. Dunno how many times they purchased

[gritty rune]

Yeah it’s all blue boats now after I bought like 3 LE slots?

[cyan tide]

They will change the drop chance from 1% to 2%
100% increase

[tight talon]

[gritty rune]

NetEase with their sneaks yet again lmao

[fresh anvil]

Not sure if satire, but these kind of endgame mats become much more available in every game.
If you play D2, see Ascendant Shards
If you play other gachas, see Weekly boss materials

[tight talon]

I have only used photons thrice in my entire life. Only on Drevgar drill cause Smart Bomb is bad on Maru

[pulsar coral]

Heyo, how much fortuna crystals do you get once a character is T6?

[compact blade]

the old prefect gonna be any good now?

[rustic moat]

So I have 242 LE draws as well as the Talent tree upgrade gem thing. So I’ll have at least a T5 Jaren tomorrow. Give me some luck and I’ll have t6

[tight talon]

90 I think 🥀

[dusty spire]

You got it 👏🏾🥶

[graceful pelican]

You ll get the double mythic surely!

[tight talon]

Or was it 120, dk clearly more than 60 tho

[rustic moat]

My goal is 6 Jaren’s in 6 draws…

[graceful pelican]

Hey man never say never

[fresh anvil]

and I assume you did not waste coins on buying those, for research? lol

[compact blade]

Atleast 72k day 1?

[pulsar coral]

Well I know you get 7 before you T6. I’m talking about Kabr for example

[tight talon]

I was talking about Mythic T6, as for Legendary, I am guessing u only get enough to refund a single pull worth

[pulsar coral]

I thought it goes up once you have a legendary maxed out.

[tight talon]

12 iirc

[compact blade]

I’m excited to get umeko t6 and kabr t6

[tight talon]

Knowing my luck it's gonna be all Ikoras

[rustic moat]

I should be at least 70k. My issue will be any new artifacts I’ll need

[iron sphinx]

last raid encounter has 5+ min queue timer during prime gaming hours its so cooked

[serene ingot]

Im honestly not excited to go spend 540 energy on legendary campaign 😭 but it'll finally max my helhest, cowboy guy will prob get maxed once hes useless already 🤣

[pulsar coral]

Umeko t6 is the goal! Get her ready for February

[short locust]

Even in low density, the refund is a big deal. From a fresh 48, you could shoot 3x for all of em (48% refund per) and you could back to back 4x and the 5th would be on an 8 second CD, and you can't first off the first 4 instantly either so it'll be progressing. Plus that 5th would make the 6th also be 8 secs, Well over halfway through your next 48 stack cycle at worst, if you don't kill any elites and havnt shot yet

[tight talon]

Outclassed by a debuffer that does 35-49% damage taken

[raw glade]

When the new expanse stages launch, and people struggle to stay alive, I wonder if their jealousy of my Jolder will drive them to madness?

[true mauve]

They have to top Helhest buff to make them sellable

[pulsar coral]

Attal?

[tight talon]

Nah man, nobody is jealous of characters. Just stupid ragebait enemies that one shot you

[true mauve]

Nah we got Rossi who saves his team not his self

[white fossil]

[compact blade]

What power level is the final stage? 71.3K?

[tight talon]

Nah, another Void Precision

[pulsar coral]

ohh lol

[tight talon]

Not known, I am predicting 72k

[raw glade]

Not entirely sure, but should be around that range. Enemies are going to hit like trucks. Remember when they had to nerf a stage in solar expanse when Estela was on the banner? Expect that kind of damage for every stage.

[tight talon]

Ring of Abundance and Ring of Conversion on every damn character can't stop winning

[compact blade]

Sheesh this is gonna be fun

[rustic moat]

Are the new 31-40 stages going to be timed as well? I hope to Bob they aren’t

[raw glade]

I love ring of abundance but I actually find myself using Resolute Conjunction on Jolder more often

[indigo solar]

Conversion doesn't work on Jaren:(

[raw glade]

I've found that straight damage resistance always beats more overshield and healing.

[indigo solar]

Yes, that's how expanse works

[compact blade]

How do you think old prefect will be? The hand cannon shotgun thing

[raw glade]

I have no experience with this weapon

[rustic moat]

Stages 11-20 aren’t timed. It’s just finish it and move on

[naive ingot]

[indigo solar]

11-20 are timed, there just aren't time based rewards

[true mauve]

Most important are bow fixes tomorrow

[compact blade]

Is it solar impact tomorrow??

[raw glade]

I'm just praying this is the update that makes defense heroes with great builds meta in some aspect of the game.

[rotund flint]

Can anyone else not sign up for the Dawning right now? It states that the website has no mapping or smth like thazt

[indigo solar]

That's not until S3 with tower defense

[raw glade]

I think it could be with these new expanse stages as well.

[true mauve]

Bows will now 2tap headshot and be easier to hit with compared to a slow 3 tap sniper we have now

[tight talon]

Would be funny on his Super if it makes them explode if they don't die

[raw glade]

Just seeing how even some of the current stage 30 bosses have managed to kill my 74k Jolder, I have high hopes for the new stages.

[true mauve]

Rossi dont die

[tight talon]

Sad hours

[compact blade]

I might try that old prefect gun go around scorching everything

Can’t fully max out last word until battle pass reset and weapon tokens SMH . So can’t even push to 73K

[tight talon]

Imma run that cause Last Word is just nostalgia bait.

[raw glade]

I've personally never seen a fully maxed out Old Prefect so please do some testing!

[true mauve]

Chiaroscuro slot 1

[indigo solar]

Abundance is what, +48% healing? That means a 32.5% damage resistance grants the same healing as well as additional hp

[true mauve]

👀

[raw glade]

Chiaroscuro is awesome but I still prefere Resolute conjunction

[tight talon]

EHP always better no matter what.

[compact blade]

Ima try out that prefect see if it hits hard, while I compile materials for the last word

[tight talon]

Yeah what I'll be using

[raw glade]

EHP?

[true mauve]

Because jolder heals i forget

[true mauve]

Everyone I say this to calls me crazy, ty for believe in my Jaren build

[indigo solar]

Effective HP

[tight talon]

Effective hitpoints. Basically you can have all the def reduction in the world but still die if something hits hard asf after reducing 25% damage

[hushed crown]

[raw glade]

I get into the realm of reducing over 50% damage.

[indigo solar]

For example, 50% damage resistance is equivalent to a 2x EHP

[lofty gale]

Effective Health points

The sum of your health and shield + damage reduction

[tight talon]

Precision Shinka Hobgoblins for example, can one shot you even if you are full shield and half Overshield

[raw glade]

T6 Jolder alone reduces 25% at low HP. Resolute is 33% on top. Then I have t9 defense, t9 elemental, etc.

[gritty rune]

Infinite shieldgating like Warframe when?

[raw glade]

I face tank every single boss in the game without dying using resolute conjunction. I was dying with abundance.

[tight talon]

Excuse me, believe you? I was the first one 💢 to suggest it

[compact blade]

You’re a tank

[indigo solar]

Finnala can hit 95.6% DR

[true mauve]

Just Min/Max and change your playstyle already obvi you doin it wrong 😜

[raw glade]

I'm not doing it wrong though lol.

[true mauve]

I was being a smarty 🤣

[compact blade]

Love finnala

[tight talon]

Damage tankers when they realise they don't need to survive, they need to kill under a min

[raw glade]

This is why I play a lot of Finnala!

[indigo solar]

Personally I just prefer killing them before they can kill me

[dusty spire]

Who said finnala ? 🥶💎💙

[raw glade]

You guys already know my Jolder puts out solid damage, though.

[dusty spire]

Wait sword guard?
It’s definitely a thing btw

[indigo solar]

Only useful in team scorched

[fresh anvil]

Unless there are mechanics that by pass DR (reducing your HP by fixed ammount or percentage) yeah.

[raw glade]

this is solid for Finalla. I uploaded this the other day.

[dusty spire]

I don’t know I use it a lot especially with hold for guard.

[summer ledge]

The best healer doesn't have to heal. They just hurt everything else before everything else can hurt their friends.

[true mauve]

Think we did, we discussed arti during Bation reveal

[indigo solar]

The only ones like that in pve rn are team wipes from failing an objective

[raw glade]

Please watch what a decent Finnala can do with Partridge

#💭│main-chat message

[tight talon]

Ig yeah

[tight talon]

Facts

[fresh anvil]

How about impact shikas shield and calamity DoT?

[lofty gale]

The lion dorsn't concern with healing his teammates

[fresh anvil]

There is poison and vex milk as well

[indigo solar]

Shields are fixed damage, not sure about calamity DoT. Now that you mention it tho, Solar Wind is % based

[rich veldt]

When's Jaren supposed to release again?

[indigo solar]

Radiolaria is fixed damage as well

[tight talon]

The lion uses all his skills on red bars and doesn't concern himself with weakpoints

[robust sequoia]

I wonder how that Attal Radiation build (or variant of it) would work on Jaren??

[raw glade]

You'd be destroying your stag totems

[robust sequoia]

Hmm, I’ll have to look at stag again.

[raw glade]

You don't want to lose health on Jaren. That's the worst possible thing

[tight talon]

We got a nice Overshield build with Helhest and Maru and someone's out here running Radiation Attal

[indigo solar]

Are you going based on the leak info? The early access stag doesn't function the same way

[pulsar coral]

I know this isnt lfg but can someone queue two shifting gates matches with me i gotta get the 120 lumia leaves from the season guide itll take 10 minutes total trust

[raw glade]

Oh, possibly. I could swear I read losing 10% HP screwed him up

[indigo solar]

Yeah that was only the leak

[robust sequoia]

I though Jaren self healed too, so as long as it’s not too much for him to restore

[raw glade]

ah, okay. I was conflating the leak info with the actual info.

[fresh anvil]

It will take 10 minutes just to find a match

[pulsar coral]

Nooo trust just give it one queue

Shifting gates aint that bad rn its like a 2 min queue

[indigo solar]

I mean there are just other artifacts that give you bigger damage boosts and also don't hurt you

[cobalt urchin]

is their a tierlist for exotics? like priority for getting their catalysts

[robust sequoia]

Yeah, I just looked at the numbers and they’re junk. Radiation needs a buff—OP buff but hurts you.

[tight talon]

Depends on flavour of the month and modifiers that use certain characters.

[cobalt urchin]

hmm

[fresh anvil]

By "max health", it means health + shield?

[indigo solar]

For c3: #💭│main-chat message

For c1 just do the ones you play with most first, you'll get them all fairly quickly

[cobalt urchin]

Alright guess I'll synthesize the catalysts of the exotics I have, thankssss

ohh huckleberry, kk

[fresh anvil]

it's always so confusing when the game refers to health, shields and max health.
Destiny 2 used health to refer to shields for so long.

[mental dagger]

I mean they specify health, shields and total health

[tight talon]

Before Artifact perks rewrite, it was hella confusing when it mentioned Health and Shield but never meant Total Health was different from Health

[brittle stirrup]

any 6 7 perks guys

[tight talon]

Jaren 6, Dregen 7

[wide dagger]

Is jaren gonna be good ?

[tight talon]

[brittle stirrup]

67 67

[proven harbor]

Is jaren gonna be good AND has it been confirmed whether last word is trash and old prefect is better

[wide dagger]

So that a yes ?

[tight talon]

Last Word is just being Last Word at being Last Word. Perks don't make Last Word better than Last Word. But Last Word can Last Word better than Last Word.

[proven harbor]

Last words?

[tight talon]

Indeed.

Basically it gets a buff when you keep firing till mag empties, catalysts only give a 30% buff at Cata 2 and Cata 3 makes it have the buff from shot 1 itself. So it's just a nostalgia bait for me

Old Perfect, you need to be 23m, else you can't hit em properly

[brittle stirrup]

yea yea yea yea

[proven harbor]

Ok then go with crimson. Got it

[tight talon]

Crimson is the worst one.

[wheat ferry]

Modern rappers be like

[tight talon]

Crimson only buffs third bullet that is fired by 30-60% and gets a 540 RPM upgrade

Shot 1, 1-2 not buffed, 3rd buffed by 30% at Cata 1

[tight talon]

Old Perfect atleast scorches, scorches can make them explode, and increase explode damage

[blazing juniper]

[vocal hawk]

Beyond 23.5 meters you literally cannot hit stuff with Old Prefect.

[raw glade]

Old Prefect with a range buff would be so fun.

[indigo solar]

Okay wait @raw glade you can theoretically get a 99.8% damage reduction with Finnala under the right circumstances (unlikely to ever trigger)

[tight talon]

That's where Jaren's skills shine (copium)

[indigo solar]

Artifacts:
+35% Resolute Conjunction
+40% Inverted Tenacity
+10% Ring of Courage
+22% Elemental Resistance
+30.45% Elemental Resistance
+36.3% Melee Damage Resistance
+47.25% Melee Damage Resistance
+11.55% Health Boost
+19.8% Defense Boost
+26.25% Defense Boost

Total: 96.6% reduction

Finnala:
+24% Ember
+50% Blazing Barrier
+87.5% Reaper's Descent

Total: 99.84% reduction

[pulsar coral]

Just got Maru to T1 let's go

[vocal hawk]

Also I regret to inform you this is not an inherent aspect of Scorch in this game, it's part of Prefect's catalyst

[tight talon]

T2 T2

[brittle stirrup]

she still gets oneshot by a hobgoblin

[pulsar coral]

Ikora also to T5 🔥

[vocal hawk]

I'd love it if DR had more consolidated keywords and verbs like D2

[tight talon]

Yes yes, was suggesting how proper upgrades look.

Crimson and Last Word's are dime to dozen. Last Word kinda higher cause it's Pay to use

[vocal hawk]

But we're in the reality we are

[raw glade]

It definitely gets up there. It's why I sometimes use her for solar expanse, just for a comfy clear.

[indigo solar]

Requires you to have <38% health, the enemy damage source be a projectile launched between 6 and 15m away, have 3 stacks of firesprite, have barrier up, be in super, have taken only one previous damage instance within the past 25s, and the damage dealt would have dealt >20% hp

[vocal hawk]

Curious how much of a meat grinder 31-40 are going to be

[raw glade]

I'm hoping the meatiest of grinders

[tight talon]

You will be eradicated by Dreg Sneezing

[flint aurora]

For reals

[vocal hawk]

Capped 2k under power, match game, etc

[tight talon]

or Servitor exhaust

[iron sphinx]

raids are unplayable its so crazy game is ded idc anymore

[flint aurora]

Can always just lowman it

[thorny frost]

2 shinkas

[brittle stirrup]

i love raids i love playing with acclaim 0

[vocal hawk]

Oops, All Shinkas

[indigo solar]

The five sources of scorch we have in this game (to my knowledge) are:
Jotunn (explodes when it applies the scorch)
Polaris Lance (explodes when it applies the scorch)
Sunset (explodes when it applies the scorch)
Finnala (explodes when it applies and when it reaches max stacks)
Old Prefect (explodes when it reaches max stacks)

[thorny frost]

Welp, Jolder it is XD

[flint aurora]

Nah, looks like a Xuan Wei carry

[brittle stirrup]

wolf's abilities ?

[vocal hawk]

There's also the Chaos ability card

[devout horizon]

Hey Cody, what’s the general wait time for event rewards (discord ones)

[indigo solar]

Explodes when cast (if enhanced)

[indigo solar]

Explodes when reaching max stacks (with card)

[vocal hawk]

Unfortunately, variant

If it's been a while I'd make a ticket so we can bug the appropriate people about it

[devout horizon]

Nah it was recently

[lusty tree]

So which hand cannon is better for jaren old perfect or last word

[brittle stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sixseven-six-seven-six-seve-67-gif-14143337669032958349

[true mauve]

Parole

[tight talon]

Wait till Jaren comes live and then make decision when CCs test it out.

[vocal hawk]

Early access stuff is usually a bit off

[true mauve]

Nerp never

[vocal hawk]

Last Word looks extremely good for him though

[tight talon]

I have inkling that Mythic Empty Fort will be best with Exotic Shotgun as usual.

[lusty tree]

Well i already have the old perfect maxed so

[true mauve]

Seen it now believe it

[true mauve]

Searing Mark go brrrrr with super and sig ability

[lusty tree]

Im gonna use for jaren eternal retribution

[devout horizon]

Has anyone figured out how this works with Jaren’s automatic loading thing?

[vocal hawk]

Is this Eager Aspirant?

[tight talon]

No Cata 2 of Last Word

[vocal hawk]

No

Noted

[tight talon]

[devout horizon]

What

It’s octant riot disperser’s cat 2

[tight talon]

Isn't it Cata 2 of Last Word?

[gritty rune]

So ummm, what does 67 mean?

[tight talon]

Oh what the helly

[brittle stirrup]

it means 67

[indigo solar]

I'm still waiting on my last one (Nov 10)

[gritty rune]

I mean, I know what 69 means

[devout horizon]

[tight talon]

Just brainrot with no meaning behind it

[calm vortex]

it means nothings, as far as I know it was just some random dumb thing someone said in the spur of the moment and everyone is running with it now

[gritty rune]

So we’ve gone full circle with memes to just having no context or meaning now

[tight talon]

Dude I got fired from my job, after working for 6-

67? 67? 67?

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[devout horizon]

Is it better or worse than Ugandan Knuckles’ era memes

[empty kettle]

We are in a meme drought

[tight talon]

No we did go back to normal memes for a min. Someone drew a wrong angle Frieren and it brought back Naruto's sidekicks worst drawing

[true mauve]

Ai took em over

[gritty rune]

Do we bring back advice animals?

[nimble plank]

jaren summoning starts tomorrow? or is it already started?

[empty kettle]

I think we have to start a new golden age of memes

[tight talon]

Strongest meme of yesterday and Weakest meme of today

[tight talon]

Tomorrow after maintenance

[nimble plank]

kk

[tight talon]

Way worse. Add some ai slop in that as well.

[indigo solar]

Early access says "the top half of this weapon's magazine deals +30% damage)

[tight talon]

Dumby's talking about Octant Riot Dispenser

Plus whether Jaren can refil it

[pseudo wave]

What artifacts is everyone thinking for Jaren?

[indigo solar]

Ah in that case, based on similar mag refill mechanics in alpha, there's a hidden stack counter that increases, determining the damage bonus boost. This counter will have a cap of 7 stacks

[tight talon]

Roughly all are bad if beta is to be believed. Here's what I am gonna follow

[devout horizon]

210% more damage is wild

[calm vortex]

I think the question is whether the auto reload from Jaren's dodge will clear the stacks or keep them

[devout horizon]

I’m very bad at wording questions

[tight talon]

What matters is does Jaren stop firing when he dodges, if he does that boost is poofed

[indigo solar]

Up to 30%, the 30% is at 7 stacks. Each stack grants 4.29%

[devout horizon]

It says increasing by 30% each time though

[indigo solar]

Does manually reloading octant before it's empty lose the stacks?

[calm vortex]

I dont know im just trying to help clarify the question that was being asked

heres the specific wording on the band

[tight talon]

Yeah if Jaren's dodge makes him stop firing, lowkey cooked

[true mauve]

If its broken it will be bug fixed dont worry

[devout horizon]

It doesn’t say stop firing. It says if the magazine is empty

[tight talon]

If his dodge is the one reloading it

[tight talon]

The humble as it's fired:

But lowkey true

[devout horizon]

Can anyone confirm or deny if it keeps the buff if you pause between shots without reloading

[true mauve]

There is a perk on a primary that reloads power weapons iirc, will look into it later

[devout horizon]

Sweet. Thanks

[tight talon]

No, the primary reloads itself when you get power weapon kills, upto 100% but can't overfil

It's on Chusingura iirc

[devout horizon]

I’m just wondering if Jaren does something similar to what Helhest does. Transferring rounds from reserves into the magazine

[tight talon]

Can Helhest even do that or it's just Royal Contravene refilling itself from hits done

[calm vortex]

yes, Jaren is from reserves

[strange wolf]

is it just me or does the link in https://discordapp.com/channels/1267806213656023071/1295853426680533032/1445814441173323786 not work?

[cyan tide]

That's her weapon mastery, Royal Contravene only reloads when it's empty based on the amount of hits landed

[tight talon]

I need to login to read what she does in her weapon mastery.

[floral abyss]

We’re looking into it

[wheat ferry]

Helhest auto reloads while the enemy is under the affects of salvo

[cyan tide]

It took me a while to find the part of her kit that did that lol

I kept thinking it'd be under salvo

[tight talon]

Oh awesome. No wonder I was getting more than 5 shots and kept calling it Royal Contravene refills

Speaking of Royal Contravene refills, what did y'all do with the fragments from Helhest Spending event?

[strange wolf]

nothing. I have 30 and they just sit there taunting me

[tight talon]

I got like 20 and that's it

[cyan tide]

I got enough to craft one copy and have 10 leftover, now they're just collecting dust

[tight talon]

W guess they gonna keep sitting there till Helhest returns

[cyan tide]

I already maxed royal contravene so they're useless to me
Easy parameters I guess

[indigo solar]

Hoard them

[summer ledge]

Given they hopefully learned from how upset everyone was with that event, it probably won't come back in the same capacity, but maybe they'll make specific parameters a permanent currency you can earn somehow so you can work your way toward specific exotics. Engrams may exist, but it could be an alternative route to getting duplicates alongside engrams, perhaps.

[violet umbra]

netease gotta be the worst mobile gaming developer/publisher out there

[hoary kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-worst-pirate-i’ve-ever-heard-of-gif-17323460284887220849

[unkempt lichen]

When will they completely remove unstuck from calamity

[soft bobcat]

They'd probably have to remove the attempt limits if they did that

[raw glade]

Who wants to add me to borrow the dope Jaren I’m going to have 😉

[devout horizon]

Nah I know worse

[twilit thistle]

Personally I think the lvl 85 artifacts were in poor taste. As if they weren’t brutal enough with artifacts, now we will have an even rarer material.

[devout horizon]

How’s it any different than the artifact skill tree thing

[twilit thistle]

That’s what I mean. They answered our cries for mercy, with another version of the same form of pain.

[devout horizon]

Ah gotcha

[violet umbra]

yeah i whaled hard when the game first came out but im not spending any more money

did the same thing with marvel mystic mayhem, i should have learned my lesson from that

[bright tapir]

Fortunately I only spent around $75 on this one, which isn't far off of a new game anyways. I definitely got $75 worth but not spending anything more until the game is built out further

I really wish they would slow down on the character releases and build out more content. Not trying to be negative but having a new character to do the SAME things over and over again has lost its appeal.

[devout horizon]

It’s either new characters that do the same things or new content that plays the same. Pick your poison

[fringe valve]

Question real quick. I'm in master 1 right now in calamity and I have a friend in expert 1, can I help him to rank higher or does the score not count?

[bright tapir]

Well for starters a new world map to explore would be cool, some additional frontline missions in the existing maps, additional shifting gates and iron bar maps would do wonders.

[devout horizon]

Carries can work

[placid thunder]

The score won't count for you, but will for him

[fringe valve]

Alright, thank you guys

[real delta]

hey guys, do we get to keep these for next battle pass?

[placid thunder]

And they should add exotic artifacts to Gauntlet onslaught rewards

[indigo solar]

Yes (you don't keep the other ones)

[real delta]

aah kk nice

ty

[glass needle]

thanks too @indigo solar for reminding me to post about DACO!!!! join the cult classic if you want a hotdog merged into a taco

[humble jacinth]

devs release Last Word trailer

idiot in the trailer constantly ads'ing

Ffs lol 🤦‍♂️

[candid tusk]

except if both buffs stack we are going to have to ADS and hipfire both? I don't know if any content creators even looked at that

they can be stacked

[lofty gale]

What kind of Eldritch being are you creating?

[vocal hawk]

Last Word works very differently in DR

[candid tusk]

the last word actually looks so painful to use. you basically will need to kill something with ADS, kill something with hip fire, and then continue to alternate between ADS precision shot and hipfire shot within 5 sec on repeat to maintain stacks
it actually sounds so awful, and then when you run in calam ops stretches you have to repeat this to get the buffs

[vocal hawk]

Sorry for the crust my internet was crap when I took that screenshot

[glass needle]

would you care to have a seat and listen to the good words of the DACO?

[rich veldt]

Wait it's out right now??

[lofty gale]

Okay, explain

[vocal hawk]

No

[devout horizon]

Sounds like muscle memory boutta put in work

[vocal hawk]

Prerelease info via #🎥丨creator-showcase

[rich veldt]

aw

[vocal hawk]

But yeah no this is a very different gun from how it is in D1 and D2
It's like a Last First Word Curse

[lofty gale]

They summoned a demon tho

[candid tusk]

it's going to be so awful to optimize in calam ops though

[chrome kite]

1v7 😱

[glass needle]

that’s only on halloween.

[devout horizon]

Cal ops is already awful to optimize, though.

[candid tusk]

not to this level, this is going to be wildly awful to play the character

[vocal hawk]

Assuming they stack, and there were no major changes, this is a pretty fiddly damage rotation

[devout horizon]

Kinda hoping it’s meta. Everyone would be fighting over top scores with a weird and difficult cycle of ADS and hip fire while worrying about the regular cal ops timings.

That’d be funny to watch tbh

[candid tusk]

i think what is more likely to happen is nobody uses jaren ward and just plays double jolder

[devout horizon]

Isn’t Jolder painfully slow

[candid tusk]

you only need one speed character, ning running saizo. everyone else suicides in lava and uses unstuck

and also jolder is actually one of the fastest characters in the game with sword dash

[tight talon]

Watch everyone run Old Perfect

[tight talon]

In Impact

[devout horizon]

Actually you’re right. Pretty sure she’s faster than Ning in some cases

[limber pine]

Ayo I won. Gg

[indigo solar]

Eh it'll just be get the first kill for each, then hipfire your first round of each mag

[rich veldt]

I think I just had a semi-good idea for a titan hand cannon user...Ok now hear me out

[indigo solar]

In his strong hand the man held a Rose. And his aura burned bright.

[devout horizon]

Wolf is probably more likely to see use as a runner this cycle, though. Unless I’m misremembering shinka types this go around

[indigo solar]

Solar impact + void spread

[rich veldt]

Obviously this wouldn't be dredgen yor (yet), this would be Rezyl Azzir because I think it would be cool as hell to finally have an idea of what he was like before, well, Thorn.

[devout horizon]

Okay so yeah wolf is probably gonna get more use since they can take out spread shinkas a little more consistently than partridge

Ugh I don’t have a Wolfpack leveled on jolder

Uhhh is wolf’s newest rifle any good at popping shields? The void one

[vocal hawk]

I'm suspecting Wolf, Maru, Ikora, Jolder, Jaren in board positions
Not extreme top but still

[rich veldt]

Plus, this is an alternate timeline, so maybe we're in the timeline where that hive wizard didn't bungle with Rezyl's brain, setting him down the path of dredgen yor

[vocal hawk]

Jaren apparently had a partner who died under mysterious circumstances
Rezyl might be active

Not fully into the hive crap though

[merry compass]

Where do i get the lil bottle from the curious catches? the event is almost over and its all i need

[devout horizon]

Random from anywhere

[merry compass]

do i need a particular bait?

[devout horizon]

Event bait iirc

[fresh anvil]

Perk says buffs are removed on reload, you only can gain 10 as many "stacks" of those buffs (combined) because it only has 10 bullets.
Hip fire to clear red bars and quick reloads, ADS for frontloaded dps.
Does catalyst change that?

[merry compass]

either of em?

[devout horizon]

I believe so

[candid tusk]

the catalyst makes it so that it doesn't drop on reload, it doesn't change the fact that the two buffs only last 5 seconds

[merry compass]

thanks!

[devout horizon]

So uh Jaren can load his weapon from reserves without reloading

[fresh anvil]

Well, that changes everything.
Is it know if each stack durations is calculated separately, and the max number of stats for buffs?

[candid tusk]

they are separate buffs yes, and you get max stacks for killing something with ADS precision and killing something with hipfire, but then you have to maintain those stacks within 5 sec durations i think

[fresh anvil]

So it does not count as reload?

[devout horizon]

If you do it with the dodge(?), I believe so

[spring oyster]

up to 40%
up to 60%
Going to need to see the rest of it, but not a very good first impression

[devout horizon]

Tbf those are big increases

[fresh anvil]

Isn't that going to break Octant?

[devout horizon]

That’s a discussion we were having earlier and nobody seemed to have a concrete answer other than Taniks saying there’s a cap somewhere, so we’ll see!

[candid tusk]

you get 40% dmg, 40% reload speed, 40 accuracy, and 60% precision damage so managing those 5 sec buffs is going to be insanely necessary, so if they are horrible to manage, it's going to feel so bad, we'll have to see

[fresh anvil]

Shot 7 shells, dodge, shot volley with x8 stacks

[exotic apex]

Wow

[devout horizon]

If it’s easier than it sounds, imagine how much damage we’ll be dishing out

[proud fiber]

Bro what the actual hell is that last word perk? Delete it and start over because that's absolute trash

[fresh anvil]

There is a cap, you can test it on Chaos with the +50%/100% magazine

[candid tusk]

potentially yeah, if it's easy to manage then yeah it could be huge

[fresh anvil]

But the fact that you can stay at 8 stacks would be crazy

[devout horizon]

Would like to point out 5 seconds is a long time and allows for some stupid stuff

[fresh anvil]

Dodge not counting as reloading is going to be a long time balance issue. Mark my words

[devout horizon]

That’s what I’m most excited about. That’s a large uptime on an ability you can quite. . . “Easily” refresh

Should be enough time for lesser skilled players to line up shots

[proud fiber]

Please don't defend this. The whole point of the last word is to just hip fire and shred stuff. Now you have to micromanage buffs and are forced to ads. Ruins the fantasy

[devout horizon]

I just don’t know how quickly it builds up to max stacks. If it takes a while, then yeah it’s not worth. If it’s like 3-4 kills, hell yeah

[fresh anvil]

At some point, a support is bound to have "body shots from your fireteam on marked enemy are considered precision damage"

[devout horizon]

You still get a 40% damage boost and a 40% increased reload speed if you solely hip fire

It gives you the option to play on way or the other. Or both. Both play styles seem good. Mixing them seems tedious but still good

[devout horizon]

POV: helhest after salvo

[indigo solar]

Stacks on hit, but a kill gives max stacks. Basically just kill a red bar with each and then feel free to hipfire constantly and ads one shot per mag (doesn't need to kill)

[devout horizon]

Oh yeah this’ll be fine

[fresh anvil]

Is there somewhere where I can check Jaren's full kit, TLW and new artifacts? (If so, please pin it)

[calm vortex]

Theres a bunch of early access previews for Jaren and TLW on youtube from CCs

either way Jaren will be here soon

[rose turret]

where the hell are new maps and story

[indigo solar]

S3

[soft bobcat]

Well damn. Just did my first Calamity run of the cycle using Matchmaking and got into Master 1 😂

Just trying to get the Cumulative Score reward

[vocal hawk]

Nice(?)

[indigo solar]

Imagine getting a competent matchmade team

[soft bobcat]

Yeah honestly not sure what it means in regards to the overall community. Could be good and bad both.

[indigo solar]

It means you got matched with the players promoting late to get into easier zones

[raw glade]

Why the ?

[soft bobcat]

That makes sense. I'm still done with it once that Cumulative score fills up. Not my cup of tea.

[vocal hawk]

Auto promotion into Master feels odd

[rose turret]

[soft bobcat]

Yeah I agree. Especially since only 150 people in Master are eligible to advance to Master 2. Carrying more people into that pool feels bad.

[fresh anvil]

If someone gets promoted somebody else is demoted. So is nice for that person, no so nice for others

[indigo solar]

If they get a high enough score to beat others who would have otherwise promoted, why should the team with the higher score potential be stuck in the lower rank

[austere portal]

Anyone up for that lucky fireteam thingy? Hit me up in DM if you are interested. We can make good progress (if there's any to be made)

[soft bobcat]

And now I just wanted to chill and casually get 1,000,000 cumulative points in Expert 2...

Now if I get matched with people in Master trying to actually push I'll feel bad for holding them back.

[astral citrus]

Are you looking to join one? Or you started one?

[fresh anvil]

Fair. But, many play with matchmacing. So if Timmy gets luckky and plays with 2 T6 skilled players and those whales are done after that attempt, then the rest of the players odds are lowered

[austere portal]

Both? 😄

[astral citrus]

Darn, you’re EU 😭 nvm haha

[soft bobcat]

tbf I did pull my weight, but still would rather stay out of the sweaty matchmaking pool

[astral citrus]

Getting into master this reset is fairly easy, been helping a buncha lower players get into M1. Fulminator is cake, gratz though greg!

[soft bobcat]

I wasn't celebrating. Not my first time being there.

I literally do NOT want to be there

[astral citrus]

Why wouldnt you? The reset rewards are some of the best ingame atm

[indigo solar]

Tomorrow's the day
I'm gonna beat Maru at cards

[soft bobcat]

F yea I actually was theorycrafting a deck that could beat her in the Story. I'm 1000% sure it's possible

[astral citrus]

If you dont wanna be there, just avoid doing anything now that you’re M1. You’ll derank back tomorrow. Not sure why youd want that though

[brittle wagon]

Where do i find all 5 Special items from the Event ? Fishing

[soft bobcat]

Because this -> #💭│main-chat message

[astral citrus]

Either way, gratz on the M1 reset rewards

[indigo solar]

It is, I did a few dozen attempts and got close a few times but then forgot about it
#lore-discussion message

[astral citrus]

Thats what LFG is for anyways, go for culminate score earlier in the reset. Less people caring for the last min push

[soft bobcat]

Sure technically I got more rewards this way. Overall and I'm only missing 100 leaves/1 cluster from cumulative but yeah idk still feels off I agree with Cody on that

[astral citrus]

I honestly could care less in LFG, its always a hit or miss. If people complain, they can always form a group & use comms if they care enough to

[pine skiff]

Wonder if I should 🐳 for the new person

[soft bobcat]

Fair point. I guess if they're using LFG/MM then they're asking for it.

[fresh anvil]

Is it possible to get to Master 2 without T6?

[astral citrus]

100%

[astral citrus]

Yup, just use a ning

[indigo solar]

Instant promotion? No. Promo zone? Probably, but you'll need a really good team. I don't touch calam tho, I'm like specialist or smth

[astral citrus]

As long as ning is t1, and the other 2 in team are sweats. You’re golden

[fresh anvil]

Ahh, let me repfhase it. Can the best composition of 3 T0 characters get to Master 2?

[past flame]

anybody knows what’s the best perks roll for thermopylae 80

[astral citrus]

nah

[austere portal]

Just missed with 5k points 🙁

I died a little inside... 😄

[indigo solar]

Spinosaurus Shots + Karmic Reward

[fresh anvil]

You would have been demoted tomorrow anyways, if that helps

[past flame]

So pretty much the thumbs up roll ok

[indigo solar]

No but 2 T0 and a T1 Ning could

[astral citrus]

Doubtful, a t0 helhest doesnt compare with a t6 that knows what theyre doing👀 but ill agree with the “could” part lol

[hasty ocean]

@glass needle what type of taco's?

[indigo solar]

They won't have the best score but they could get the cutoff score

[astral citrus]

Helhest is usually there to carry the dmg, ning just for getting places quickly. Kinda why t1 is needed for him

[dusty spire]

Anyone else still hoarding Lumi since staring ?

[astral citrus]

No lol I do have 75 for jaren though waiting………👉👈

Also spend 360 lumi’s a week just on stamina

[soft bobcat]

I still low(high)-key think the best thing f2p players can do is pull standard banner for Ning t1 maybe even t2 if they know how to properly take advantage of the invis in PvP. The invis is equally useful in PvE too for that matter.

[serene ingot]

i skipped maru and i barely got enough for a single copy of jaren

[astral citrus]

Skipping maru is fine, as long as you have a mommy estela. I only t0’d her

[dusty spire]

He was definitely a good run for the first few cycles to now, so much saved and earned from him

[indigo solar]

They'll get t1 eventually (I'm t3 personally), much more important to have a broader roster for calam, expanse, week ones, acclaim

[serene ingot]

ye i got t0 estela but gwynn is the real mommy :)

[candid tusk]

possibly with the top top players and it depends on what is meta at the time. t0 helhest is wayyyy worse than t5. In some cycles definitely and later in the season definitely or because of how bad zones are, first cycle in zone 2 or 3 probably as well

[astral citrus]

This is true

[dusty spire]

😂

[serene ingot]

the holy trinity

[soft bobcat]

True, but if you don't get Ning in your first 24/(30) Pity as F2P i'd reroll the account ngl.

[fresh anvil]

I remember nobody wanted Ning at launch and Jolder was all the rage.

[dusty spire]

I like Ning when others use him lol

[soft bobcat]

lmao there were so many Ning haters

[serene ingot]

yeah ppl kept saying ning is trash and i was just laughing at them

[astral citrus]

My nings 73k & I only use him outta pity lol

[dusty spire]

He ain’t god tier, just good utility

[serene ingot]

gets me the fastest clear for legendary campaign at least

[astral citrus]

Hes only fast, which is what calamity is all about sadly rn

[dusty spire]

Like if Ning was an ability it would be a speed boost 😂

[fresh anvil]

is what this games is all about*

[astral citrus]

Makes people like estela, kinda mids. Her summons should boost her speed >.> slow af lol

[soft bobcat]

Nah yea Jolder is stronger if you build her right. And she's more fun in a lot of ways. No hate to Jolder

[dusty spire]

She’s amazing….

[astral citrus]

Atm ya, has the best rewards rn

[soft bobcat]

Ning is/was just easier to build since Mahamayuri is/was easier to farm and t1 is very strong for him.

[dusty spire]

I’ve taken barrage to the face with sword out in guard and I was fine….

[indigo solar]

Ning is trash without Maha, which we didn't have access to in tests or the first two weeks or so of launch. CCs were pushing Jolder but everyone who had prior experience with the game was telling people that she wasn't great (and she wasn't, but she's received several buffs since then)

[soft bobcat]

She absolutely is. I only have her t2 and I think she's amazing. I wish I had her t6

[dusty spire]

Seriously :/

And 1 million is done ☑️

Now I work on jolder

[soft bobcat]

low-key I would rather work on Jolder over Jaren

[dusty spire]

Easy skip for me, but the Ning style hunters need something imo

No other playstyle similar in that 5* category

[serene ingot]

wait whaat expanse stages go up to 40 now? i can barely beat 30 on 1 side 😭

[soft bobcat]

Yeah that's the thing I DO like Hand Cannons. But in Destiny 1 & 2 I was always Warlock >Titan > Hunter

[dusty spire]

Yup and I have a feeling a really nice warlock is coming after

[astral citrus]

Warlock mains 💪 miss that self revive though

[dusty spire]

Just a question is it viable in destiny for a warlock to have a sword?

[astral citrus]

Hopefully felwinter👨‍🍼

[candid tusk]

this isn't true though. In fact, ning might get played with the Saizo next cycle lol and Jolder with partridge sky buffs makes her one of the best characters in the game right now

[dusty spire]

I’m not familiar with like the character class weapons ect or if that has any relation to rising

[candid tusk]

the top morgrans prey run

[astral citrus]

Character dependent, we’ll see! Gwynn/estela & ikora are all warlocks with 3 completely different weapon sets

[soft bobcat]

Saizo Ning is very strong and I've had a lot of experience with it since I chose to funnel my materials into Huckleberry for Acclaim levels early on.

[indigo solar]

Lmao sure buddy, go use Ning without Maha and tell me how well he plays. Also, did you miss the part where I said that due to buffs, Jolder is no longer mid

[raw glade]

Jolder is fantastic for single target damage now.

[astral citrus]

Not using a ning without maha myself, im not a f2p though

[soft bobcat]

Saizo Ning is just more Ability/Super Damage Based. It still works pretty well if you know how to use his abiities/super for Damage

[indigo solar]

Class and weapons are unrelated, also technically classes are only unofficial categories rn

[candid tusk]

ning is just a runner in overseer bro, he literally ults to run, 99% of the time he's just running. saizo just lets him help break solar shields and you want a ning as best you can in foundry which is going to be the next cycle map. There's a VERY high probability he gets used with saizo if jaren ward isn't good enough

[vocal hawk]

Are you referring to the class locked exotics from D1?

[short locust]

So anyone need a Ning? Eh? Eh? 👀

[indigo solar]

You won't be using him to pop shields at all next cycle, that'll be left to the Jarens (and they'll have similar mobility anyways)

[indigo solar]

I mean you could use Wolfpack for the void shields but he won't be touching the solar ones

[dusty spire]

More so if classes in particular cannot use certain wepons?

[candid tusk]

it's highly unlikely that jaren ward can make the foundry skip. only ning can I believe. There's also a potential that jaren ward is worse than jolder to be honest so there's a real possibility that ning runs saizo with double jolder as a team comp

[thorny frost]

We need game modes that just synergize with less speed playstyles. Her light link literally wants her to stand still, speed from a design philosophy doesn’t match her as well. I say this while I play Estela a decent amount.

[astral citrus]

Not in DR. Estela (warlock) & Kabr (titan) use the same weapons

[soft bobcat]

Expanse 30-40 sounds quite formidabble ngl

[past flame]

I wish they released an exotic skin for jaren instead of mythic

[astral citrus]

I agree, need less speed endgame content & ones that actually take brains & power (without the need to unstuck)

[candid tusk]

if you think the top runs don't take brains and power, you're just lying to yourself bro, even if you don't like speedrun content. They could make it fair play and the same people would be at the top

[astral citrus]

Sure, unstucking takes mad skill bro

[dusty spire]

Shield pop is fun for final blows strat ngl

[candid tusk]

then why aren't you rank 1 overseer?

[dusty spire]

Jaren auto 1 tapping after crowed after shield pops

[astral citrus]

I chill in master, I use my keys to help my pack members also push into master lol if we had unlimited keys… maybe

[thorny frost]

Watching some top runs the overseer competitive field would take a lot of researching and learning timing. It is not something I will be able to achieve

[soft bobcat]

They probably value their time more than that.

[candid tusk]

yeah, no, whatever you have to convince yourself

[astral citrus]

Perks of running a pack & actually helping lower ranked players👨‍🍼

[candid tusk]

which is fine, but he was trying to say that speedruns don't take brains and power, which is the biggest copium i've ever seen.

[astral citrus]

I mean if I was a selfish solo player, id prolly waste all 12 on myself. I like helping others though, you do you

[vocal hawk]

No, any class can use any weapon with some specific weapon exceptions. Nothing like "only warlocks can use scout rifles"
The class-locked weapons in D1 were Tlāloc, Fabian Strategy, and Ace of Spades. D2 had some specific legendary swords and the exotic glaives but those had class restrictions removed due to a bug and then Bungie just shrugged and went "why not"

[candid tusk]

i did like 3 runs this cycle and i'm like rank 13 and just helped other people get scores so uhh yeah

[thorny frost]

Speed running is a skill, and is hard to pull off really well. But with that being said, we need different modes to accommodate different playstyles. Something more dynamic and changing each run would really shake things up

[astral citrus]

Ning doesnt take brains bro, just watch the top runs lol. Unstucking & same run path. Nothing too crazy

[candid tusk]

i love how people who can't achieve the same level make excuses while downplaying what the top players are doing, but lying to yourself about why you aren't at that rank is just copium and fried

[frigid kraken]

Tower defense mode incoming

[dusty spire]

Man we need better sportsmanship here, it’s hardly the world most fair competitive game to Brag on lol

Can we share discuss and improve rather than slander mobile skill level please lol

[astral citrus]

Still takes THREE to tango with calamity, not just a solo ning can do it all lmao so the ning still needs 2 people with actual brains/power to carry the dmg/break the shinkas

[flint aurora]

Someone needs a top score with only 4 stars.

[frigid kraken]

Ur insane for that take. You actually think

[astral citrus]

I play ning in my runs lol I know

[thorny frost]

I have hope…. Keeping it not high incase it turns out like a casual mode where you can’t even use your units :/

[candid tusk]

you play ning but can't even get past master 1 but it's super easy bro?

[bitter estuary]

my very 3rd exotic from iron medley

[frigid kraken]

Cool clamsity right? What time do yoy enter first room? 2nd room and last room?

[dusty spire]

Axe me up some CC

[thorny frost]

Dang GG. PvP is smiling on you

[frigid kraken]

I get that Ning is easy on surfaces but when you get to high end speed run, he actually take skills. You have to figure out best way to slam or dash or super slash

[astral citrus]

You play maru bro, gj having the helhest/ning carry you to overseer😂

[bitter estuary]

so far i got a copy of SSB, huckleberry and crimson from it

rngesus is actually on my side wow 🙏

[candid tusk]

bro i have played ning, helhest, and maru to overseer...

[astral citrus]

Maru is legit there for spread shinkas/void enemies in boss room lol

[frigid kraken]

Another L take….. have you seen rank 1 Maru dmg? Maru is what able to kill the final shika at 4x

[astral citrus]

Only 27 calamity clears all season though, so I just see you get carried is all bro. All good

[bitter estuary]

???

[past flame]

Ning and helhest won’t make it without maru lol

[compact crescent]

Finding queues for meanace above takes forever.

[indigo solar]

I mean to be fair a lot of the tech discovery isn't necessarily the actual Ning player's responsibility. They do have to be good to get the kills and everything but they don't strictly have to be smart

[astral citrus]

Oh lawd, upset all the ning kids👀

[bitter estuary]

i am a helhest main.... also ikora if it counts

[candid tusk]

yeah bro, mega carried on ning, helhest, and maru. just always in overseer with different people, and helping the pack get overseer scores, def carried

[past flame]

Lmao

[astral citrus]

Cap lol t6 gallows 74.5k estela does just fine without a maru👨‍🍼

[indigo solar]

They have a part to play and need to play it well but that part doesn't have to be the thinking part

[candid tusk]

if anything, you're complimenting me because half of those runs were the last 2 days helping pack mates. i think i hit 13th in the first 5-10 runs and haven't tried to put up a bigger score event hough i can easily add another 10k to my score

[leaden epoch]

@indigo solar any early thoughts on Jaren artifacts/stats?

[astral citrus]

You only play the meta bro? Craaaaazy😂 I pushed into master without even using meta people lol I use ning to help lower ranks to push up though depending on comp

[raw glade]

Might use this on Jaren if I can find a good Thermo shotty

[candid tusk]

i can hit master 1 on any character in the game, like easily bro. it's a static score, keep convincing yourself

[frigid kraken]

But it make or break. Like @novel quest not to be mean, but part of the reason why I always get high score with then where we run, even through he usually run with camper

[astral citrus]

Ya idk man, I play the game. Im not stuck at acclaim 60… and only focused up 3 heroes 😔 my estela is almost 75k tho

[short locust]

Damn this got full of insufferable egos huh?

[candid tusk]

why would i waste mats on acclaim? i have 50 clusters sitting in my bag bro

[past flame]

Ok sure I’m just going off ur point lol can estela gallows win solo? U said he is getting carried by ning and helhest and I’m saying it’s team work and ur estela can’t do it alone and also “getting carried” 💀🙏🏼

[astral citrus]

Master 1 takes no skill, I agree.

[candid tusk]

that's why you can't get past it though...

[astral citrus]

Im doing just fine with her lmao running with randos even😂

[short locust]

I matchmade to Master 1 the first cycle it was even available. I didn't even know how the rank system worked at the time 💀

[past flame]

Nah it’s pointless atp

[astral citrus]

Im sure if I wasted all 12 keys, and found 2 other competent players… easy money lol like I said, I waste my keys helping lower pack members rank up. I pack lead too lmao

[soft bobcat]

@astral citrus I was on the same page as you for quite some points here. But could you please make it clear what you're trying to achieve here?

[frigid kraken]

It not even ego (at least how I interpret this convo) it him saying Ning is easy and is carried by the helehst Maru. But you do realize if Ning being able to get through the room even faster for the 5x/4x kills

[astral citrus]

Huh?

[raw glade]

Everyone has their part to fulfill. I hate the carry mentality that this game created.

[astral citrus]

Ning is literally there as a runner, yes lol my point.

[candid tusk]

whatever you have to convince yourself that you're on the same level as the top players bro

[soft bobcat]

That.. explains a lot.

[astral citrus]

We need some p2w runners🤌

[frigid kraken]

You still ignoring my point, tell me what time do you enter rooms? I said yes Ning on basic level is just a runner, but high end runs, you need to cut out extra seconds to save time for 5x/4x kills

[astral citrus]

Where did I say that? Lol delusion hit the chat room

[short locust]

Ngl when I was going for Overseer for Lumia, it really wasn't difficult in the slightest to play imo. Eventually it became an artifact/RNG diff if anything. Is it easy? Eh? Is it even remotely difficult? At the time I didn't think so

[raw glade]

Jaren is about to rack up ridiculous damage numbers breaking pierce and impact shinkas too, the two shinkas that give you insane damage for breaking their shields. People are going to be screaming he's carrying left and right, as if the two other teammates aren't doing anything lol.

[astral citrus]

Tbh, I havent read a single thing you’ve said. My bad, lemme read up

[leaden epoch]

Delusion started the moment anyone here thought they could resolve an argument over the internet 🙂

[raw glade]

70% Jarens are going to be common lol

[bitter estuary]

my very 4th exotic from iron medley, thank god i can cat 3 my sweet business now 🙏

[astral citrus]

100% 😂 its the internet, always gonna upset some kids no matter what opinion pops up lol

[past flame]

Wth 💀

[raw glade]

Don't do itttttttttt.

[candid tusk]

I mean Paragasm just randomly tries to claim that top calamity ops runs require no brains or power while simultaneously being hard stuck in low ranks, kinda wild way to start a convo

[frigid kraken]

I’m not saying ur wrong but downplaying Ning role is… idk the best word I can think of angering me. His role is just as important as the other 2

[thorny frost]

Ok, time to wake up, this has to be a dream for you lol.

[devout horizon]

Unstoppable force meets unmovable object type argument

[short locust]

Favorite pastime on the internet is arguing vs opinions that nobody actually has

[astral citrus]

Ning has the same run path in all top clears, my point. Without the unstuck tool & same run path…. gl hitting those multipliers

[candid tusk]

Ning's role is the most important role IMO. One error from ning throws the entire run

[frigid kraken]

Look at my units guys. You think there ready for clamsity?

[raw glade]

When you have an opinion like "Master takes no skill," which pretty much alienates 99% of the playerbase....you're probably going in the wrong direction.

[bitter estuary]

not now obv lol

ill build what i want, atleast i’m not delusional like that person who is currently arguing rn

[astral citrus]

Rinse & repeat, follow the leader lol calamity will one day (hopefully) not be so linear

[short locust]

Hot take. Bleach has peak moments, but on average it's mid as hell. I love it tho 💔

[candid tusk]

if this was as simple as you make it out to be then there wouldn't be differences in speeds even at the top 10 runs based on how optimal the ning runs

[raw glade]

Am I the only one actually super hyped for the 10 new expanse stages? That was so unexpected.

[astral citrus]

Ive helped plenty of people get into master lmao and then get them a score so they dont derank

[frigid kraken]

Maybe if it didn’t have the 9000 fillers

[rapid geyser]

D2 expert here um how well does knowledge of d2 translate to rising

[past flame]

Omg guys look at me i have estela 74k The most skilled character in the game 😱

[devout horizon]

Hey @frigid kraken, do you think wolf will get more mileage than Ning in the upcoming calamity? It’s been observed that they’re a good runner when you line things up, and they match elements shields and shinkas

[raw glade]

Yes, Mythic once helped me too. It takes an extremely strong, maxed out meta hero to carry. But that's still skill and $.

[astral citrus]

Differences of speeds = different artis/subs/power for the other 2

[bitter estuary]

this was all from iron medley too

starting to think the 1% isn’t 1% bc from the past 40 matches i’ve done in iron medley (5 per day) i’ve gotten 4 exotics in total so i think it’s 10% but idk (pls take this with a grain of salt)

[frigid kraken]

Idk have to see. The next calamity. It a modifier that I never played with. Also have to see how good jaren is

[candid tusk]

not likely. ning is the only one who can do the platform skip in Foundry.

[dusty spire]

Games catching you up, like cpu on Mario kart

[astral citrus]

Im not talking about the other 2 (non ning) you can easily push into overseer with a f2p ning as long as you have the right run path/proper unstucks & 2 competent players with you

[short locust]

I felt this super hard on that one cycle with the bubble orb mechanic. Top run could wipe the opening room with one super purely because of Artifacts, a luxury I didn't have 😭

[thorny frost]

“Ichigo just a runner upgrade or you fail” (I know nothing of the new bleach game XD).

[past flame]

To be fair i got 1 the other day too so it might be higher lol

[devout horizon]

I don’t think Jaren is gonna outspeed wolf or Ning

[indigo solar]

Resolute Conjunction, Unrelenting Evolution, New slot 3, valiant veil or new slot 4 depending on proc requirements,

Defense boost, Elemental Resistance, Melee Damage Resistance, Shield Boost (or Recovery Boost, lowkey kinda liking this one lately)

Solar Boost, Ability Strength, Signature Boost, Weapon Enhancement

Attributes are in order of priority

[astral citrus]

Yaaa artis are a big thing when its coming down to seconds🥹

[raw glade]

The bubble orb made me feel strong on Jolder. It couldn't kill me even outside the bubble - in fact, it buffed my retribution.

[raw glade]

what about this

[short locust]

Oh I was talking about the trap mechanic, my fault. The orbs that spawned and tracked you?

[thorny frost]

If it is or isn’t, in the end it is still a nice surprise. Congrats, and I hope they upgrade pvp to have better rewards in normal iron bar too in the future

[leaden epoch]

New slot 3 and 4 sound decent. I may just go that route for now and if I need to correct as more testing is done that's fine I guess. Will take a look at proc requirements first.

[indigo solar]

I need to do testing of recovery boost + pranayama but it is actually quite a strong healing effect, especially vs most bosses

[frigid kraken]

True but the issue with next clamsity is dmg. Arc and piercing is getting phase out so helehst will be sitting duck waiting for shika to break+ shield take too many shots

[vocal hawk]

Does Jaren's dodge give him a speed boost?

[raw glade]

33% elemental damage when both match. Last Word and Thermo.

[short locust]

Yes for 8 seconds, probably 9 or 10 with light linked Attal

[indigo solar]

New 4 is the same as valiant veil but 8s instead of 5 and requires "attempting to blind an enemy within 15m," which I think is just worded that way so "blinding" a CC-immune enemy still procs it but others think it means you just need to throw a grenade

[raw glade]

yes. He's faster than Ning.

[short locust]

Will he get baited?

[candid tusk]

but jaren can't do the foundry skip and is missing the slam, and ning also brings corrupt

[short locust]

He did. 💀

[dusty spire]

How much ally damage does hell give ?

[devout horizon]

Love how the game is telling me not to light link wolf to Jolder. I shall not be fooled by the game

[indigo solar]

Same movement speed, 3 jumps instead of 2 dodges + slam

[raw glade]

Finnala on Jolder is a must.

[devout horizon]

I don’t recall her light link

[indigo solar]

Extra health

[raw glade]

I believe the speed boost lasts longer, but then again, Ning gets two charges. So I rescind my statement.

[devout horizon]

Oh I use Rossi for similar effects

[short locust]

It's really a Slam + LW SMG vs acceleration uptime debate

[raw glade]

It's a lot of extra health. Like 25% And I use Rossi as well.

[soft bobcat]

You can Easily:
As long as

And this

Don't forget

Oh but just do..

[indigo solar]

Lightweight doesn't stack with Acceleration btw

[devout horizon]

Is that t6?

[astral citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[raw glade]

Yeah. It works extremely well with the artifact that gives damage for Overshield + Total Health

[short locust]

His uptime isn't 100% tho. But good shout anyway

[indigo solar]

No speed boosts at all stack as of Helhest release, the highest takes priority

[raw glade]

Taniks, you never addressed resonating transit as a dps option for Jaren.

[short locust]

Ability damage stacking Jaren just you wait 😔

[raw glade]

Elemental damage would increase basically everything.

[indigo solar]

33% weapon damage or 25% global damage on an ability-heavy character

[astral citrus]

Pretty sure im the only one here rn that runs a 50/50 fully active pack since day 1🥹 like I said before, wish they’d give us more than 6 daily keys lol

[raw glade]

It's not weapon. It's elemental 🙂

[indigo solar]

Transit isn't an elemental boost to my knowledge, that's just a proc requirement and it boosts weapon damage

[soft bobcat]

I don't doubt you my bro.

[raw glade]

ah, you're correct. "They"

[soft bobcat]

But it just doesn't apply to the rest of us as much as I wish it did.

[raw glade]

So my next question is, I heard the ability scales off weapon damage. Wouldn't that still make the weapon damage boost apply?

[devout horizon]

Can you send me an image of the artifact?

[indigo solar]

Just double checked and confirmed it does not affect ability damage

[raw glade]

I already confirmed it for ya.

[indigo solar]

I mean confirmed in range bc descriptions aren't always accurate to effects

[astral citrus]

If anyone needs a calamity carry & are NA, lmk! Might have 1-2 keys left today. “Paragasm” in game hmu

[raw glade]

Finnala's 25% health boost really plays well with Ring of Reflection.

[leaden epoch]

I'd like to get more of a buffer to stay in Master 1 unchanged if you'd be up for an attempt with me. Current top score is 395k.

[bitter estuary]

Speaking of which i might get finnala to t6 after reset so pls artifact recommendations

[devout horizon]

Isn’t bellicose just better? Jolder’s damage comes from weapons, doesn’t it? Sacrificing some ability damage for more weapon damage is good

[frigid kraken]

I think jolder should throw is nuclear dmg as well

[soft bobcat]

Shield Throw does a ton of damage

[astral citrus]

Sounds good! Ill be on in about 40ish

[devout horizon]

True, true

[soft bobcat]

ALSO on return. So many people don't realize the shield RETURN does a ton of damage. AND counts as AOE damage. The initial throw does not count as AOE damage.

[leaden epoch]

Sounds good, thanks

[vocal hawk]

It's one of the higher base damage abilities iirc, yeah

[frigid kraken]

You wanna know what else is higher?

[devout horizon]

I don’t think I, as a player, could utilize the artifact very well. T1 jolder so I don’t have the. . . 60%(?) healing bonus yet and I tend to just face tank everything regardless of how much damage it’ll deal

[indigo solar]

Mastery scales on weapon damage, and super may partially scale on weapon damage, but blazing shot does not. The 20-something% weapon damage is great but not as great as sig giving ~60% (iirc, when factoring in other additive effects) damage to blazing shot with 100% uptime, which has high damage and a low cooldown

[raw glade]

and I have this

My shield throw is pretty insane.

[worldly path]

jobs gng jobs

[soft bobcat]

Assuming the top is Void Boost that looks insane, but Super Boost is that a WIP?

[vocal hawk]

I just double checked and misremembered, 2600 is not very high in terms of abilities (oops)

[worldly path]

like lwk ts game hella p2w I aint even gon lie

[frigid kraken]

dang you was suppose to say what

[raw glade]

Nope, I still don't have void boost. I can't get the perfect artifact. I want the dice badly.

[devout horizon]

Wait so is it bad I’m focusing on weapon damage on jolder

[vocal hawk]

Also it's 2400 not 2600

Fumbling all over smh

[novel quest]

if they give us more raids like eclipse hopefully it will be less P2W

[soft bobcat]

Imo, yes her Shield Throw is insane damage

[worldly path]

ong

[raw glade]

Try this build. You can replace Conjunction with Abundance in the first slot if you want. It's extremely comfortable.

[soft bobcat]

Jolder Shield Throw + Radiation Build + T6 is my dream

[raw glade]

I don't enjoy radiation. I actually wind up dying sometimes.

[dusty spire]

I hit 1.5 mil

[soft bobcat]

It doesn't work if it's only half-built. You have to commit

[raw glade]

I have all of the artifacts built.

[devout horizon]

Just rechecked my build. I’m apparently doing a hybrid

[devout void]

wich part is P2W, ning is always top #1 or T1 maru

[soft bobcat]

Oh wait I forgot I'm using Blazar in slot 1 now and it seems to help a lot

[devout void]