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[hot ore]

Gotcha, I’m not the biggest lore nerd lol

[next fern]

ye

[tight talon]

upto you tbh. T1 Maru can overstack Cannon Shot by 1. having 2 shots means u can one tap any Weakness broken Shinka (when u have Overshield)

[hard forge]

T6 ikora

[supple nymph]

If queen mara is in this game, she’ll wipe the floor with every character

[hard forge]

Not sure if This answers question or not, but I believe we are in destiny 1 era at the moment in the story .

[hard forge]

Yea until Jaren ward comes >;)

[supple nymph]

Give me an evil guardian like shin malphur

[cyan tide]

I think Haven is an analog to the Tower, just a center of operations for lightbearers that overlooks the last city

[supple nymph]

Or dredgen yor, that’d be sick

[tight talon]

All guardians are in the gray zone lol, with the exception of Wolf, Kabr, Finnala, Attal, Xuan Wei and Ikora

Gwwyn Murders Warlords, Estella Murders everyone except Ahamkaras /s, Helhest murdered lotta people before resurrection /s and Maru. Well she's a pirate

[hard forge]

I mean ikora is practically a terrorist , idc what she does for the tower

[tight talon]

[naive ingot]

Only warlords who have done bad things.

[supple nymph]

I want a truly evil guardian like one who murders civilians and final deaths other guardians

[latent hawk]

GWYNN DID NOTHING WRONG OK?!!

[inner galleon]

Whaaat !? Lmao

[tight talon]

Yes yes, Warlords who are doing wrong with their powers

[latent hawk]

it was all self-defense

[hard forge]

There’s also cerill ?sp, the ghost hunter .. he literally hunts down ghosts who haven’t found there lightbearers . He was a chainmail of dead ghost shells

[naive ingot]

I would do the Crowther quote.... but I'm not risking it

[hard forge]

Wear*

[tight talon]

Will be hella sick watching him square off with Umeko

[hard forge]

It was a quote from destiny

[karmic chasm]

Umeko wins for reasons

[tight talon]

Invis and headshot cause that idiot shot his own ghost

[hard forge]

Where the npc says “ I don’t care what she does for the tower, ikora ray is a magical terrorist”

[tight talon]

Played destiny 2 for like 3 years never heard that on the Tower lol

[karmic chasm]

Nah, other reasons, but I’m gonna choose not to get muted again

[tight talon]

nooo

[hard forge]

Honestly depends on where you draw the line.

Shin Malphur ran a honeypot to tempt Guardians to the Dark and then used that as justification for killing them once they had been swayed.

Shayura went around gunning down people she judged as agents of the Dark because she had PTSD after a low-level Adventure on Titan and got off more or less scot-free.

As for actively evil Guardians there aren’t many that aren’t early-Destiny apocrypha or Dark Age Warlords that are dead and gone.

[tight talon]

Last thing evil guardian is gonna be potrayed is stealing candy from Eliksni kid

[jaunty canyon]

Through successes, failures, and learning I can proudly and regrettably announce I have completed unlocking all the glows for all the standard decals (except the letter ones since I dont care for those). If anyone wants to see what any of them look like or want any tip on the best way to due so let me know. This is through whaling on buying MANY bright pigment random bundles to get bright dust.

[supple nymph]

Ikora is evil for being so trash

[flint aurora]

#1410282642099666945 make a post here

[blissful lintel]

Ikora is great tho, wym?

[supple nymph]

For giving me multiple copies of T6 ikora when I really wanted umeko

[supple nymph]

No she’s not. She’s inferior to Maru in every way

[indigo solar]

Not sure why you included Helhest here, a very major part of Destiny is that you become a new person after resurrection

[blissful lintel]

And yet I can still beat other Maru for MVP with my Ikora.

[tight talon]

Forgot the /s

Fixed

[flint aurora]

Indeed easy work

[cyan root]

does someone know how to make the controller vibrate using waydroid emulator?

[jaunty canyon]

I cant seem to post photos

probably havent chatted enough in the dicord yet maybe to unlock posting pics

[tight talon]

Took me like a week or 2 to level up to 3

[jade jolt]

So, if Jaren Ward will be 4*, who will the next Mythic one be? Impact as well? Need to farm GM🫠

[tight talon]

Yeah double Impact Solar is what we are expecting

[karmic chasm]

Such as ||Rossi||

[jaunty canyon]

rip yeah I aint gonna be posting enough to get there for a while lol

[jade jolt]

Come in a server update day and it will take a couple hours as I did😂

[indigo yarrow]

is it just me or did server merge mess up my ping?

[inner galleon]

I figured lol

[modern pasture]

Jaren ward uses a shotgun

[tight talon]

Precision/Shotgun.

[modern pasture]

And who said he will be 4 star as of right now the leaks are just bs(trust me bro)

[open wedge]

Did anyone got that modifier ;/? After like 50 not a single time...

[naive ingot]

Gwynn never met Rossi-11 or Darius

[bright tapir]

I have no idea how but it seems like after the server merge there's been far fewer people in Haven and public events. I wonder if they increased the number of instances or something.

[jade jolt]

Yes but if will be 4* not interested in investing on him, but in meta solar’s one

[tight talon]

Yeah all happen. Close Range one is 50% Extra shield near teammates

[jade jolt]

Hope you are right

[karmic chasm]

It’s ok he’d low diff

[tight talon]

There's just enough evidence to say that he is wrong

Unless Jaren somehow using his Ability grants Impact Munitions to his Handcannon

That's the whole thing that could happen. If it does, awesome. But more than likely it won't

[placid thunder]

I never got one

[open wedge]

It's just RNG on top of another RNG, 1st you need to get a match and than 1 of 8 ;/ not fun.

[placid thunder]

The whole game is one big RNG

[karmic chasm]

There’s straight up pictures of his character profile being a 4 star

[manic steeple]

so is there an explanation ad to why queues take even longer and no one is playing pvp?

[karmic chasm]

I mean it’s the middle of the workday in NA

[true mauve]

What server? NA and LATAM are hoppin. They are dead in mornings and on weekends iron bar usually eats up shifty queue

[spare dagger]

Noticed the same

[foggy lance]

has anyone updated to latest mumu? last time I tried updating, I couldn't get the game to run

[manic steeple]

well I have been queueing for the past 20 mins for irom bar am nothing, I did blitz and only got bots but it took a while to get bots since I was trynna do reunion event

[true mauve]

I am guaranteed Parole

[bitter sapphire]

when destiny rising launched I read somewhere that matchmaking is prefering friends and packmembers. is that true or was I tripping back then?

[surreal berry]

WHO HERE ACTUALY READ THE LORE about the characters in [Destiny Rising]?...

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/slick-fall-ouch-fail-oops-gif-26633499

[surreal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/free-man-chessies-chesapeake-shores-sc-heart-home-parole-gif-23481663

[tough sluice]

The simple explaination is that game is bleeding users and getting sparse

[gusty bridge]

Yes, 4star. Im guessing whoever is the 5 star probably will have a new Solar Sidearm Exotic in Battle pass.

[true mauve]

Whhhhat?!?!?!

[surreal berry]

Apologies...

I don't understand your wording...

[past flame]

How!!

[karmic chasm]

Fire!!

[tough sluice]

Game is dying

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-trump-gif-22804577

[true mauve]

Im a decal junky

[surreal berry]

WHY do Professional Game Discords DENY [HASHTAG + Emoji]???

[true mauve]

Codez

Is this attal or a new exo?

[tight talon]

Lmfaoo

[tight talon]

Be careful about applying. You can't remove it. If you remove it later, it disappears, doesn't even give you mats

[warped vale]

I got grandma on first pull coming back 😭😭🤌

[true mauve]

I have a few Perfect I am playing with, the decal is weird and doesnt like to show my pink glow on flawless

[dark gulch]

i had three bots in blitz

Dang one new light kept dying in break in i almost lost it. he went across bridge but wouldnt stand on platform while im sittin there waiting at the end like hello

[true mauve]

You sure Rossi is a he?

[surreal berry]

Dari-- I mean... ROSSI is a Male EXO

[naive ingot]

Me...

[finite elm]

Guys what are the top 3 characters to use

I don't wanna spend anything on someone bad

[willow otter]

Good question I’d like to know too

[tidal girder]

Ning Fei is meta in shifting gates, and has been in most top Calamity Ops teams since launch, as well as being p good for The Expanse in Season 1 (probably won't be for season 2 due to it being piercing/spread, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is still good whenever rapid fire comes back)

[gritty rune]

It’s taking less to pop as it was in S1 but honestly? Unless you want the seasonal seal SG is still not fun being 90% running around, Ning everywhere and the rewards are awful once you are out of pinnacle

[finite elm]

I see

So who will be the other 2

[tidal girder]

Helhest is probably in top 3 as well, has massive damage, and generates heavy ammo. I think she's been in every meta calamity ops team since she released, but I don't keep track of it

I think 3rd might be a bit more debatable, Helhest+Ning Fei have just been dominating

[gritty rune]

The meta is whoever they make the season’s conditions for

[tidal girder]

Maru is p good, but idk how long term that investment is going to be

[karmic chasm]

PANDORA??!

but yea no Rossi is not, ||Darius, we don’t know||

[gritty rune]

Ning fell out of meta in CO this season tbh

[karmic chasm]

Spread will always be a thing, void will always be a thing, idk. He’s fun. Worth it for me at least

[finite elm]

Alr thanks guys

[karmic chasm]

He’s still being used for skips tho

[true mauve]

Ohhh so you saying Pandora dont leave lipstick, her whole face paint rubs off instead? She been smoochin rossi?

[gritty rune]

Is he? I thought it was a toss up between 2 helhests and a Wolf or Maru

[tidal girder]

3rd place team is Helhest + Ning Fei + Maru

[true mauve]

Whats 100th place

[tidal girder]

not AS good, but still has a place

[gritty rune]

Tbh I doubt anyone in pubs or even LFG does skips anyways

[past flame]

Oh wow

[tidal girder]

Maru is a she, just checked the lore

[true mauve]

Are you sure?

Pirate sounds masculine so does captain

[tidal girder]

"She invites Wolf to play a card game and wins, albeit by cheating."

[true mauve]

Is she Maru or the Ghost named Parrot

[tidal girder]

Have you played the mission? You don't face Parrot in Shadowshaper, you face Maru

[white fossil]

its referring to maru as she

[tidal girder]

literally just look through the lore yourself

[true mauve]

Ok that says she/her alot

[indigo solar]

In SG, Ning is meta for mid players, but Umeko has a higher skill cap

[tidal girder]

the top of the leaderboard is all NF

[indigo solar]

Leaderboard is a measure of time, not skill

[tidal girder]

nvm Umeko is top now XD

[indigo solar]

But yeah it's impossible to lose xp in gates so it's just a measure of who's played the most matches

[tidal girder]

thats not true... you absolutely can...

[indigo solar]

Technically you can but nobody going for leaderboard does, because if you're 3rd place or lower you just exit before it ends and you don't lose rank

[tidal girder]

Wait what? You don't lose rank if you leave before it ends???

[indigo solar]

Yeah

[tidal girder]

that would have made the farm last season so much easier for me T-T

[open wedge]

It is 😛 I had 2 afks in my team 😄 I was 3rd solo until double drops... but didn't want to leave, so I lost 15 points.

Now the question, what is a point of joining SG game and go afk, this is happening fairly often from server merge, do they dc or just a new thing.

[tidal girder]

the ones I've seen have a macro to move forward slightly every few seconds to prevent dc

[open wedge]

Sometimes, after death some of the players stops to revive, I expect that something is happening that I never encountered myself.

[open wedge]

That sux :/ Players should be forced out if they are not killing for a while, and some type of protection enabled to encourage the rest of the team to stay and continue playing, in case if they drop below 3rd place...

[indigo solar]

They do have the first, you get performance warnings if you barely collect motes or get kills and(I assume) eventually a temporary ban

[surreal berry]

Have Macro...

THIS is the problem having games accessible on the Computer System.
People creating BOTS and Ruin a Game in the Pvp or PVE Matchmaking...

[karmic chasm]

@true mauve what scout rifle is best for PvP?

[karmic chasm]

I bet she has

[surreal berry]

Depends on the Perk

[karmic chasm]

I wanna use fall from grace because it’s a gorgeous gun

[surreal berry]

People always be using Mythic/exotic...
I guess u can continue using a Legendary Weapon...

[karmic chasm]

Well I have mythics for him, he’s one of my mains obviously, but in PvP, sometimes there are legendaries that are better

[hoary agate]

Not sure about scout rifles, but yeah, a legendary sniper is better for pvp if you get the aggressive frame perks for 1 tap.

[surreal berry]

Look at Tundra Weapon shader...

[bright tapir]

I honestly don't even understand the point of the common and legendary weapons. I'm not sure how D2 works but in this game they are basically only usable for the first week or two in the game.

[surreal berry]

Setup your self a CHALLENGE?...
(Can you defeat your enemies in Iron bar/S.Gates Using a Level 75 or level 1 Primary weapon?)...

[bright tapir]

That's not a bad idea honestly

Or a game mode where you can only use legendary weapons

[karmic chasm]

In D2 legendary is the highest below exotic

[surreal berry]

But I would equip dem Legendary weapons with Mythic Mods.

[karmic chasm]

I would honestly run double legendary if it’s viable

[surreal berry]

U have void & Solar Lege Scout.
Arc, Solar & Void Lege Sniper

[karmic chasm]

It’s the void one I want to try I guess

[indigo solar]

Iron bar or shifting gates?

[karmic chasm]

Either one. Really want to try Fall from Grace

[indigo solar]

Polaris for shifting gates, Lassi (bear approaches + syncopation) for iron bar

[true mauve]

I hear Polaris Lance 2 taps players but I dont own it. I use TL because fire rate is so good, Lassi is alright with synco but if you miss every 4th shot your dead

[true mauve]

I was always a Lassi only until I tried TL. The fire rate feels more like an AR

[karmic chasm]

How tragic. I’ll never be able to use the bullpup m14 it seems

[indigo solar]

Lassi is great for bar as long as you don't compulsively reload, bear approaches is great bc it actually improves the ttk the same as it does outside of bar

The two have similar ttks at base but bear approaches significantly improves lassi's fire rate

Also you can force fourth shot to proc in the opening shot of an engagement by burning three shots beforehand

[true mauve]

Issue with bear approaches is by time you land enough precision shots target would be dead with allocation vector on TL

[indigo solar]

It doesn't help with the first enemy you kill, it makes the next two faster

[true mauve]

Reload after every shot, cant sit at half ammo

[indigo solar]

Also vector doesn't improve ttk in bar at all, it just makes you reload more often

[true mauve]

Whats ttk?

[karmic chasm]

Time to kill

[surreal berry]

THE [Sniper- Overseer] have the Mythic Origin Trait, [Disturbance].

[true mauve]

Vector isnt a dps increase?

[indigo solar]

Nope

[true mauve]

Then why do you guys reccomend it on TL

[karmic chasm]

Dps is pvp is basically referred to as ttk. Not exactly the same thing, but it’s the same idea

[indigo solar]

Because it significantly improves dps in PvE

But in PvP, due to the damage reduction of perks, it doesn't make a significant difference

[tidal girder]

ttk is "time to kill". As dps increases, ttk decreases.

[true mauve]

3×.65 =1.95?

[indigo solar]

Damage perks have reduced effectiveness in PvP

[true mauve]

Synco only adds an average of 55% per shot vector is 95%, if one gets reduced doesnt the other?

I use purple legendary pulse rifle also though because of rate of fire full auto

[indigo solar]

But syncopation rolls with bear approaches. Fire rate buffs aren't affected, so bear approaches still improves by 45%

Bear approaches is the main draw of lassi, synco is just the best right column perk

[karmic chasm]

I’ve been enjoying Tan again a lot

[true mauve]

I used both, I swore by Lassi for forever. I picked up TL recent and cant go back. When I own Polaris Lance finally will prob be another change

[karmic chasm]

I don’t own Polaris either sadly

[karmic chasm]

Which gun?

[true mauve]

If fire rate is the key, why dont you use TL which has a higher base to begin with? It also reloads faster on base frame

I will go back to Lassi again if I can understand whats happening

[true mauve]

It has clown cart 🤣

[twilit pike]

BE CAREFUL WITH MUMU, DONT INSTALL LAST VERSION 5.9.4 OR IT MIGHT STOPPED WORKING.

[indigo solar]

Okay yeah @true mauve I just tested and AV doesn't even proc, you still just shoot one shot at normal damage. All it does is refill the mag

[indigo solar]

Fire rate isn't key, it's fire rate buffs. The two guns are tuned to have similar dps without perks, but only bear approaches increases dps by its full PvE amount, because only direct damage perks are changed, not fire rate

[true mauve]

Why do I get more kills on TL 💀

[indigo solar]

Oh wait were you in that game lmao

[karmic chasm]

And looks so cool. Imo most of the legendary guns just straight up look better than the mythics

[indigo solar]

Because I was screen recording and trying to get clean AV procs instead of going for kills

[true mauve]

Nah I mean in my personal experience, when I swapped from Lassi to TL my k/d got insta better

[indigo solar]

Also I rearranged my hud for Helhest but now my ability is covered by the scoreboard

[indigo solar]

Faster fire rate guns are easier to use

[karmic chasm]

Sometimes the gun that feels better ends up being better, regardless of actual ttk in theory

[mental dagger]

gild triumphs
i think this time PE is retroactive

[indigo solar]

TL is also less penalizing for body shots

[vocal hawk]

Seems so

[true mauve]

They do call me the stormtrooper, my packmates wont pve with me because of it

[mental dagger]

it was 1600 or smn for base and i got 2k

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-10807669030885108521

If you legit stand still I will miss 90% of my shots

[karmic chasm]

Hey that’s me

[surreal berry]

Rank 50 already?... Sigh...

[true mauve]

Brooo Parole an hour ago and now Polaris Lance 1 min ago!!!! Complaining works fr!!!

[mental dagger]

im not btw if its season pass idk why it counted

[gilded sierra]

So the new event isn’t good if you have to work during the day?

[true mauve]

Get it, let's go!!!

[indigo solar]

K just checked and syncopation is a 54% damage increase in PvP (for that one shot, not overall) so while the gun normally 5-taps with headshots (241 damage), syncopation reduces that to a four tap

[brittle osprey]

Got all mods done for solar HC (annihilation, searing mark, syncopation

[surreal berry]

I'm still at Battlepass 20...

[empty kettle]

"Gunshots and Cannon-Fire" hmm... interesting, pretty interesting

[fluid egret]

hold up

so destiny rising's last city didnt change locations in this timeline?

[true basin]

Happy Friday yall

[indigo solar]

Well, it's inconsistent in its location in the main timeline, with some signs pointing to Europe and some to South America, but generally believed to be in SA. Here it's most definitely in SA

[true mauve]

Kinda lame, what about searing mark? Or better to use ricochet for groups?

[fluid egret]

oh wow so pandora just further made this clear with the andean condor

so in this timeline the last city is still on chile after all lol

[brittle osprey]

I want eva in d rising

[indigo solar]

Searing mark doesn't roll on scouts, ricochet I can't imagine would be more useful, since enemies are rarely bunched up like that

[past flame]

Any active pack for the new event

[surreal berry]

Satureday for me

[fluid egret]

main timeline is pretty clear too, in solstice of heroes eva has native flowers from chile

[true mauve]

In shifty

I miss probably 70% of my magazine so synco being only 50% every 4th is less useful than thought

[indigo solar]

Yeah even for the PvE side of SG, I don't think ricochet will be better than just having more damage, and as for payload, definitely not for IB but maybe for SG, since it means your scout gets buffed by Maru's light link

[true mauve]

Does the lower dmg to lb mean that payload does less than normal dmg?

It converts 50% of shot into 60% then it's reduced by pvp

[wraith scaffold]

must be nice…

[molten pulsar]

Is there a catch to the 25% bonus silver thing?

[surreal berry]

Purchasing the in-game Currency for Digital Cosmetic?...

[molten pulsar]

Do you not know what I’m referring to?

[surreal berry]

It's... Why I placed the [?=question mark] to the sentence...

Is it the silver Currency the requires $$$?...

[molten pulsar]

Just surprised you didn’t notice. There’s a little rectangle ad thing on the silver purchase screen that changes what it says. One thing it says is that you can get up to 25% bonus silver, but the link it pops up seems to suggest that’s not quite true?

[karmic chasm]

Yoo! (I got another old perfect 💀)

[indigo solar]

I haven't specifically gotten numbers but yeah it's pretty close to base damage, except not affected by falloff

[junior heron]

Okay, to whoever made the jukebox suggestion, that is freaking adorable and I absolutely love the idea

[indigo solar]

But it makes your weapon count as a spread weapon for Maru's light link

Not for anything else tho

Light links are disabled in bar but I think they work in gates

[molten pulsar]

I will assume it’s a scam, because I don’t trust the devs enough yet

[south cargo]

it makes spread part of weapons have increased spread damage

[mild cradle]

Anybody know if upright fury artifact is a permanent dmg boost?

[indigo solar]

Actually it increases both the impact and explosion damage, even for gallows and explosive payload weapons

[south cargo]

yeah

[indigo solar]

The bullets deal increased damage too, not just the grenades/explosions

[south cargo]

makes sense

[indigo solar]

No, it only triggers after your shield is destroyed and then starts to replenish

[mild cradle]

Thats.....dogwater

[south cargo]

Spread by definition in the game is something that fires rounds that are capable of hitting multiple targets, so adding explosive payload to a scout makes it a spread and precision weapon

[tough goblet]

what activity ?

[bold fog]

new blitz, was like all bot

[tough goblet]

the player base for this game feels very volatile

[surreal berry]

I only see the [WOLF DISPLAY] Banner

[slate pier]

https://tenor.com/view/fruit-loops-cereal-to-the-face-in-the-face-hungry-gif-12347631

[molten pulsar]

Weird. I’ll screenshot next time

[misty karma]

@tough goblet did u beat maru yet

[slate pier]

Just got cat3 on the drill that thang is fuggin gas as a mother lover gosh darn bless it

[indigo solar]

Not true, spread weapons for the purposes of artifacts and shinka damage are only those weapons labeled as spread weapons. It's only Maru's light link that works with non-spread AoE weapons

[tough goblet]

what in the world am i looking at sav

[indigo solar]

(Shinkas take 3.2x damage from matching type weapons, and 2.8x from mismatched types)

[dusk quiver]

should i stream this

[misty karma]

try to 1v1 maru

[tough goblet]

location ?

[surreal berry]

one moment... THIS CAN't BE POSSIBLE?!...
Can the game break?... or can ppl actualy cheat in this game mode?...

[misty karma]

gate keeping it rn but lmk if u win

[dusk quiver]

no its not possible

[tough goblet]

alright i’ll let you know how many attempts it takes me

[surreal berry]

Is this a Maru quest?...

[heady elm]

has anyone done a spreadsheet for damage testing?

[south cargo]

gallows rocket has always been spread and im not sure about explosive payload

[torpid kiln]

Has anyone else had issues with random ping spikes or increased device heat since yesterday’s patch?

[junior heron]

O-oh god,,,

[vocal hawk]

Yes, this is from Maru's intro quest. She cheats. The final card she plays is +50 to every card.

[thorny frost]

From a business perspective it is as true as the “savings” in a lot of stores. On their website you get a small amount of extra silver vs buying on the app. But the “up to 25%”. Includes the bonus silver by buying the more expensive packs.

[junior heron]

How the everloving frick are you meant to beat that?!??? 😭

[vocal hawk]

You're not.

[thorny frost]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[vocal hawk]

Even if you can force a win by causing her to be unable to play the card it just softlocks until you surrender.

[surreal berry]

Device heat?…

I would Assume because I have my phone on charge 🔋 24hrs…while game on still open.

[vocal hawk]

Which I interpret as Maru just taking her cannon out until you cave.

[thorny frost]

Did Taniks ever beat her by points legitimately? I know they had a plan to do so.

[junior heron]

Ah okay 😭

[junior heron]

Oh that’s right, that’s where the “Glaring you down until you admit defeat” joke came from 😂

What the heck, why is my cooldown here up to 20 seconds??

[torpid kiln]

Me as well, but I was not having issues prior to yesterday’s update. Now when device gets hot my ping starts going crazy. It’s not a wifi network issue as it’s present on 3 separate nerworks.

[crisp kernel]

Today is the first day I kinda feel the game is in trouble. First day of event and matchmaking is ded

[surreal berry]

But… I guess the mo-bi-Le phone 📱 did kinda got extra hot since the merge launch?…

…meh. Who knows…

[crisp kernel]

Also ping and weird loading

[thorny frost]

Current event kind of supports people doing public events. I get the ingredients really fast doing them.

[heady elm]

do guys think a weapon damage spreadsheet would be useless if most of the damage is determined on what character your'e using it on?

[torpid kiln]

Yes, my ping has been very inconsistent since yesterday’s patch, even though I am playing with the same players

[crisp kernel]

Going back to try that ❤️

[hidden linden]

Yo, has anyone else been having the MUMU emulator instantly brick when they try to load the game after the new update for the emulator?

[heady elm]

no

[surreal berry]

Off topic…

Reminder…
shadowshapers
U don’t have long to play card game matchmaking…

[hidden linden]

idk what could be causing it then because I was able to load the game just fine not even 3-5 mins before I updated the emulator.

[tough goblet]

@misty karma

WHAT DID I JUST EXPERIENCE 😭

[heady elm]

defeate

[tough goblet]

plus 50 to each unit is insane

[flint aurora]

Just kill each unit to win

[heady elm]

just win the gane, its not that hard

[jaunty canyon]

anyone know what the Minimum damage stat you can roll on with mods effects? is it damage fall off damage?

[calm vortex]

as far as I can interpret yeah it affects the damage floor for your weapon

[heady elm]

I made a spreadsheet for damage testing, but its so hard to do it in this game because of so many limitations

[mild imp]

I desire calamity

[junior heron]

??

At least for me, I still have 10 hours before I can’t match

[twilit thistle]

I just don’t feel like it was enough data

[junior heron]

Uggghhhh why must I have so many chores?? I just wanna play Rising 😭

[thorny frost]

He might actually have to upgrade his bandwidth

[gritty rune]

I wonder when Division Resurgence is coming out

That game has been in development for like 6 years or something

[karmic chasm]

How… old are you?

[junior heron]

22, but I help out around the house since I don’t have a job yet

[tawny moon]

When you get a job you will need to take care of the home you live in. Being a responsible adult is very important.

[indigo solar]

Only for Maru's light link, it can't trigger spread artifacts and only deals 2.8x to shinkas

[gritty rune]

Yeah that’s something I think people don’t realise about owning a house. It’s a lot of tidying up

[junior heron]

Yup, I know! That’s why I don’t complain about doing chores except for maybe some lighthearted whining in GCs because I wanna do other stuff lolol

[indigo solar]

Relevant

Anyways I've been trying in my free time to get the legit win on her, done about 30 attempts and haven't gotten the right draws yet

[south cargo]

Bellicose blazar, explosive shell and scattering shell all work with Gallows and potentially explosive payload

[indigo solar]

The shells didn't, I haven't tested Blazar

[south cargo]

works for me

In expanse selecting the blast damage increase increases gallows Mini rocket damage

[copper silo]

Hell yeah nice on you doing chores and helping out man. Job market is rough right now.

[indigo solar]

Here's a vid showing explosive shell making no difference, do you have any proof that it does?

[south cargo]

read the artifact, i knew you wouldnt read it

[indigo solar]

If gallows counts as a spread weapon then the bullets count as impacts and grant the explosions increased damage

[junior heron]

Yeah, I’m finding that out the hard way sadly 🥲 Still searching and hoping but between the crummy job market rn and my lack of previous job experience is definitely not helping me out

[indigo solar]

And if they don't count as impacts, then there's no way to proc the artifact so it's pointless and deceptive to say it works

[south cargo]

ok now take it off and see the damage

because explosive shell will be active from the first impact

[surreal berry]

Some that didn't go into skill building up for certain type of jobs...
Some of them go into Trolley collecters at shopping malls

[surreal berry]

instead of thinking of it as a JOB...
Some think of it... Getting paid to do exercise

[copper silo]

Brother I have experience and it’s hard finding a decent job. So I’m taking some engineering classes getting my degree while working some too. Tired of these low wage dead end places. So don’t be hard on yourself. My lil brothers 22 and in the same boat. 🛶

[tough goblet]

interesting 🤔

[indigo solar]

I did take it off, did you even watch the vid

Here's a vid of scattering shell not working

[south cargo]

i see guess with it having a warning is why

[junior heron]

While I absolutely hate that it’s happening to other people, it does make me feel a little better knowing I’m not getting one because of me. Hopefully the job market will get better soon and everybody can at least get something, job experience or not 🤞

[south cargo]

blazar is fine tho as it has no warning

[calm vortex]

I would hope Blazar works with it cause it just tags non-direct AoE damage which is quite a few things in the game

[south cargo]

yeah well it'll work if the gallows rockets are spread and it'll work with explosive payload because thats spread also

[blissful lintel]

Those are not "spread" Those are "aoe". There is a difference.

[south cargo]

have a look at the description of AOE

[calm vortex]

Spread weapons generally deal AoE damage but not all AoE is Spread

cause it also applies to abilities and other junk

[blissful lintel]

Octant Riot Disperser is not a Spread weapon
Jotunn is not a Spread weapon
Partridge Sky is not a Spread weapon

Just because a weapon has aoe does not make the weapon a spread weapon.

[south cargo]

AOE damage refers to damage from sources including spread weapons and AOE abilities

look at the description of spread while youre at it also

[surreal berry]

AOE=
Spread dmg

[blissful lintel]

Try healing with Bloodthirsty Shell while using Jotunn or some other weapon that does not have the spread weapon category.

[south cargo]

i mean if the artifact has a warning then it wont work

[blissful lintel]

Do you wonder WHY it has the warning? Possibly because the weapon you're trying is not in the right category??

[calm vortex]

yeah thats a different thing entirely is when an Artifact is tagged as a Spread Artifact or something then its effects shouldnt be active at all unless you are holding a spread type weapon

[south cargo]

Well it would work without the restriction

[surreal berry]

I thought the USER had to be a Spread weapon User?...

[keen relic]

Alright maru it was fun where jaren 🙃

[tough goblet]

just because something works as a shinka stun doesnt technically make it a spread weapon what in the world am i reading????????

[south cargo]

Just read in game descriptions of stuff please

[blissful lintel]

Read the previous bit of the conversation? That's like saying Fusion Rifles are rapid fire because they work on Rapid Fire shinkas.

[copper silo]

Yeah plus sounds like you got a good head on your shoulders. Be patient. Be ready. Work on yourself and you’ll get there man. Do your best and if not atleast we can say we tried 😂 good luck man you got this.

[tough goblet]

im fully agreeing with you im just confused as to why misinfo is being spread so willingly

[keen relic]

Ill end the convo here 1 second

[tough goblet]

lol no pun intended

[keen relic]

There u guys go no effect

[blissful lintel]

I'm trying to combat the misinfo where they're saying that Gallows and such get the bonus from spread artifacts.

[tough goblet]

yea again shinka stun and artifact activation are completely different

[surreal berry]

true

[indigo solar]

The warning is irrelevant, even when chars have released bugged and not had warnings, they can't proc. Also, artifacts with warnings that aren't based on weapon types, like United Axion, can still proc on characters that have the warning

[blissful lintel]

Otherwise, my boy is A Rapidfire/Spread user and not Impact with their logic.

[keen relic]

Looooool people are insane thats like saying patridge sky can get effects from spread arts 🤣🤣

Just cause it works for spread shinka doesnt mean its the same as a spread weapon

[indigo solar]

Blazar works because it specifies AoE damage, not spread damage

[tough goblet]

im building gwynn as an off meta spread character because she can stun spread shinkas not because shes a spread character😭

[south cargo]

this is un tested, the shrapinal damage from he heavy attack may do increased spread damage

[blissful lintel]

It does impact damage. Not spread damage.

[twilit thistle]

🫠 @indigo solar How did u hit 250,000

[indigo solar]

Partridge gets boosted by Maru's light link, but not artifacts

[keen relic]

Its an impact weapon bro...

[surreal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-cool-okay-bye-gif-676822715778442453

[vocal hawk]

Maru's light link is probably mislabeled

[short locust]

Artifacts that are categorized as spread/rapid etc must have one of those equipped to active afaik. I tried healing Nutation a while ago and it just wouldn't activate on anything other than Rapid weapons

[indigo solar]

It's literally only the light link that works for these weapons, artifacts and shinkas don't treat them as spread weapons

[indigo solar]

Yeah, should specify AoE weapon damage instead of Spread weapon damage

[tough goblet]

talk to 'em🗣️

[keen relic]

Proof spread arts take no effect and no there isnt some secret hidden spread damage if its not spread its not spread, it has to be categorized as spread

[devout horizon]

Instructions unclear. Labeling as blast damage instead

[vocal hawk]

Wouldn't be the first time there was a problem like this.

[vocal hawk]

i've been trying to get netease to relabel spread as blast since the alpha tbqh

[indigo solar]

Not true, every description has been 100% accurate before now

[short locust]

Define it how you want, what matters is how things are coded

[indigo solar]

Spread => can hit multiple chars
≠
Can hit multiple chars => spread

[surreal berry]

I even wondered why they chosen [Spread weapon]????

[tough goblet]

spread by definition is spread hope this helps👍

[violet belfry]

real and true

[keen relic]

Lol good joke, uh we forgot about united axion didnt we

[indigo solar]

Axion was completely accurate and incredibly helpfully descriptive wdym

[keen relic]

Lmfaoo the sarcasm 🤣🤣🤣

[karmic chasm]

Honestly so valid. Job market is trash rn. Wish you luck with both

[tough goblet]

this is a great start!!!!!!!

[true mauve]

It proc AoE dmg artifact slot 2? Same for confetti?

[vocal hawk]

Alright, we're at an unhelpful point now, because you're trying to define things based on how they should be based on your interpretation of descriptions rather than based on how they are.
As evidenced through video earlier, Gallows and other such weapons do not get bonuses from Spread artifacts despite dealing AoE damage. Maru's light link is an exception, not the rule, and it is likely that this is due to being mislabeled. The fact of the matter is that the game has had inaccurate descriptions the entire life of the game, and going solely based off of the text of the game will lead to misleading results and confusion.
I do encourage you to continue testing things, though, because that's kind of the only real way we have to figure out how things actually work in this spaghetti nightmare of damage variables.

Sorry for the essay

point is game's localization has problems

[stark forge]

why do we equip spread artifact for estela ?

[vocal hawk]

I'm interested in what you said about Polaris in particular, but I don't think it's going to work. When an artifact says Spread specifically, it seems to mean the three Spread weapon types, not a weapon that does AoE damage.

Blazar probably would work, though, because it specifies AOE damage instead of Spread Weapon Damage.

okay again, partridge doesn't use spread it uses AOE

not all spread is aoe

[indigo solar]

When partridge uses a heavy attack, it deals AoE impact damage. It just also happens to proc Maru's light link

[indigo solar]

Confetti I don't think so, payload should

[vocal hawk]

Confetti has an AOE component for it's exotic enhancement

[indigo solar]

Does it? I thought the enhancement was a chance to have 2 sub shots

[vocal hawk]

let me recheck

[indigo solar]

"Has a 15% chance to generate a second instance of shrapnel splash damage"

[vocal hawk]

it's also an unavailable enhancement right now so it's impossible to test

okay, again: maru's light link is very likely mislabeled
it says spread but what it should actually say is AOE weapon damage

[indigo solar]

The reason Maru's thing is proccing is because the description is incorrect. These weapons don't count as spread for any other interaction in the game. AoE ≠ Spread, in fact the game very clearly says AoE is "any damage that can hit multiple enemies, including abilities and Spread weapons." That doesn't mean if a weapon deals AoE damage that it must be dealing spread damage

[vocal hawk]

no, because AOE is the umbrella that includes spread
it's not a venn diagram, it's a circle within a circle

[serene ingot]

which mythic dual pistol is better? at least with the fire ones you can then break all 3 shield types hmm

[south cargo]

aoe has a very direct description as does everything in the game

[vocal hawk]

okay but the entire point of what i am trying to tell you is that the descriptions aren't always correct

[south cargo]

i disagree

[vocal hawk]

except we have empircal evidence that that is not the case

[tough goblet]

the void element mythic is stronger so you need to either choose whether you wanna focus on damage or sheild breaking

[vocal hawk]

Maru's light link specifies spread weapons and works on weapons that deal AOE damage but are not labeled as spread
Spread artifacts also specify spread weapons, but only work on specifically weapons that have the Spread label
ergo, one of these is incorrect, and it is likely Maru's light link

[south cargo]

i have an explanation for anything you could bring as evidence

[serene ingot]

argh figured that was the case xD

[tough goblet]

its an unfortunate reality

[boreal river]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-specific-bob-phenomenon-john-travolta-gif-16327001

Feels appropriate to the conversation about descriptions

[serene ingot]

might just go with the fire then for utility since the exotic pistols are also void dmg

[vocal hawk]

okay let's start simple: Annihilation has had an incorrect description for the entire game's life up until the season 2 patch
it did not give the damage buff that it says in the description

[surreal berry]

HAVE one character built fordmg... and other for shield breaking

[indigo solar]

Red = AoE damage
Blue = Abilities
Green = Weapons
Black = Spread weapons

[vocal hawk]

i appreciate the graphic but we're having a different issue now where he says he disagrees that the game has had incorrect descriptions

[fallow swallow]

using maru's signature ability on a spread shinka 0.001 seconds after the shield goes back up feels bad man

feels horrendous actually

[surreal berry]

IKORA Abilities to deal AOE...

[serene ingot]

the game 100% has incorrect or badly worded descriptions

[south cargo]

combat style is just a description of a guns main purpose, not what it can only do, thats why when a weapon does an instance of spread damage it can take use of marus thing

[vocal hawk]

there's only so many times that one can say "because it's not spread damage it's aoe damage and the game considers them slightly different things"

[south cargo]

ok and how is aoe caused? by what weapons?

[indigo solar]

Combat style is an attribute inherent to a weapon type. It affects shinka damage, artifacts, and more. Which is more likely, that the game is bugged and doesn't treat gallows as spread for shinkas and artifacts, or that Maru's light link description is inaccurate?

[south cargo]

the devs literally buffed gallows to improve its spread interaction, anything that has the capacity to hit multiple targets is spread

[flint aurora]

Her rebirth don’t seem too for some reason

[karmic chasm]

It’s simple guys—- the weapons are simply inconsistent

[boreal river]

Average Destiny game experience

[flint aurora]

So stage a coop then?

[mild sage]

Time to raise pitchforks

[hoary agate]

I wish Explosive Shell worked on Octane, Xuan Wei might be a bit better.

[flint aurora]

I wish they gave Ikora Hawkeye Token

[south cargo]

The question is in a specific instance of a weapon shooting does the weapon shoot something that is spread or not spread

[hoary agate]

Those lgl shots are precise, should count.

[surreal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/whose-line-is-it-anyway-jeff-davis-gif-13080440948851571917

[blissful lintel]

Xuan Wei would be too powerful. He's already S tier.

[surreal berry]

This seems like Chat Right now...

[hoary agate]

You gonna build that chaperone Xuan Wei build?

[soft bobcat]

Hopping back on my Maru to work on her. Are we still running Pachinko Clown or did that aleady go out of style

[hasty ocean]

Not really they are just spread and can't do tons of damage like a sniper

[karmic chasm]

Was never in style imo

[hoary agate]

That was the joke. The joke was also not precise, as I missed.

[blissful lintel]

I gotta build Riot AND Chaperone

[surreal berry]

Just do you mate...

[hasty ocean]

Mb brochacho

[hoary agate]

I know the feel, building Sweet Business here atm.

[mild sage]

Is fraternity better than ALH for the heavy solar grenade launcher?

[boreal river]

What the heck is pachinko clown

[vocal hawk]

the perks clown cartridge and pachinko

[soft bobcat]

Only have the 20 engrams per week.. Gotta know what to look for 😭 Otherwise yeah I'd just mash until I got every combination

[fallow swallow]

not needing to reload >>>> needing to reload

[flint aurora]

Not really

[boreal river]

I’m too old for these shorthand’s

[blissful lintel]

meme gun people thought would be good

[vocal hawk]

and no greg, clown pachinko is still great for maru

[hoary agate]

Has anyone actually used it in either expanse or calamity ops though, to achieve results?

[vast arch]

ALH/Pachinko is really fun

[vocal hawk]

it's irritating to use though, you need to swap back and forth

[fallow swallow]

enhanced ALH pachinko is probably better

then again using poly gives more power

[flint aurora]

Legit, it comes with poly + alh, what more do you need

[fallow swallow]

not needing to reload >>>>> needing to reload

considering maru already has to reload with every shot..

[rugged harness]

Que es prueba de prestigio?

[vocal hawk]

two extra grenades per shot

[hasty ocean]

Tbh ur pfp looks familiar

[boreal river]

I want more mythic perks to play around with but also don’t cause I don’t want to struggle for exotic mods that fit them

[indigo solar]

it's efficient at dealing with spread shinkas, because it deals AoE weapon damage. This does not make it a spread weapon. AoE damage is specifically defined in game as any damage that can hit multiple targets, including but not limited to abilities and weapon damage.

Things that being Spread affects:
Artifacts (can or can't proc Spread-related artifacts)
Shinka damage (on-type weapons deal 3.2x damage, off-type deal 2.8x)
Activity requirements (will receive warning for not having matching type, or be unable to enter)
Maru's link: says spread weapons receive increased damage

How Gallows is treated:
Artifacts: unable to proc Spread-related artifacts
Shinka damage: deals 2.8x damage
Activity requirements: receives warning/unable to launch
Maru's link: triggers

Do you think one brand new description is inaccurate, or 3 properties of the game are bugged?

[flint aurora]

I don’t see it, I ain’t got the roles for comparison yet

[hasty ocean]

DAYUM

No way bro actually wrote a whole essay 😭 😭

[vocal hawk]

each of the projectiles in a pachinko shot have submunitions from maru's weapon ability

they also don't do less damage so you're essentially firing a triple damage shot

[surreal berry]

I'm guessing this is for the shifting gates?..

[south cargo]

ok well it all comes down to in the moment the weapon is fired is it dealing spread damage

[blissful lintel]

If you didn't have to weapon swap every single shot, I would actually give it a shot. The only actual bonus you're getting is the submunitions

[boreal river]

I say it’s a 50/50 that things are in error and bugged final answer

[vocal hawk]

for real this is what stops me from using that roll too (aside from the fact that i don't own it)

ALH+Poly is just very good by itself

but, pachinko shots are extremely powerful burst damage

you're essentially firing three shots in one trigger pull

it's not just the submunitions that are the benefit

[indigo solar]

Sure, but no matter what moment, Gallows never deals spread damage. An explosion can be actively buffed by Maru's light link and not receive the buffs from spread artifacts or deal increased shinka damage

[indigo solar]

2.2*

[blissful lintel]

Simply for the fact that you have to get kills with it to bring it up TO Polyploidy levels

[vocal hawk]

do the grenades do less damage? i was under the impression that they weren't nerfed

[indigo solar]

Really 1.6 if you're firing the extra shots

[indigo solar]

30% normally, supposed to go up to 60% depending on kills. I couldn't get that to proc in firing range tho last I tested

[south cargo]

Yeah because before it fires a rocket it is not a spread weapon, the exotic perk has to be activated first to change the identity of the weapon

[vocal hawk]

is it not that they get +60% damage with kills?

[indigo solar]

The explosion never deals increased shinka damage. It's never counted as a spread weapon. Maru's light link is always active tho

[blissful lintel]

Correct, Kills with the previous magazine. Which makes it absolutely useless against bosses unless you're shooting at adds every single time to get a few kills in as well.

[vocal hawk]

alright there's another description that i misinterpreted or is weird

[indigo solar]

Nope, the extra munitions deal up to 60% of base damage, not up to +60%

[late thistle]

someone have the roadmpa of the current season?

[vocal hawk]

the event calendar for S2A1 is pinned

[hasty ocean]

Are u guys debating which is better for Turbniose in general? we got mythic perks that have more value btw

[vocal hawk]

as is that

[indigo solar]

Pachinko is the most value/dps btw for Maru, but worse on wolf

[vocal hawk]

wait, ikora pachinko?

[blissful lintel]

You mean wolf?

[indigo solar]

Wolf*

[hasty ocean]

Oh ur debating which perks are better for Maru and suit her best I understand now

[vocal hawk]

thought for a second they did something Whacky with the new rocket launcher

[fallow swallow]

ikora's new rocket has ALH

but i don't know whether its better than TTF

[flint aurora]

If clusters get tracking, it can take down rapid shinkas

[calm vortex]

Do the Pachinko shots spawn their own void bombs from Maru's mastery or something?

[fallow swallow]

(and getting a roll of ALH to drop is rough)

[vocal hawk]

they do

also every overflowed round in a magazine can get the pachinko shot if you swap back and forth

[calm vortex]

Pachinko truly deserves to be a mythic, especially if it ever ends up on an LGL

[indigo solar]

Nope but based on it it seems like if we get Gjally it's gonna be the same as Huckleberry/Partridge where it comes with a mythic perk (cluster bomb) and the catalyst upgrades the perk to its enhanced form

[south cargo]

just tested on polaris as i expected because the weapon has the capacity to cause damage to multiple targets it works

[past flame]

This is for events

[indigo solar]

It does not work for anything requiring Spread weapons except for Maru's light link

[south cargo]

Maru works on polaris

[indigo solar]

That's the only thing that works with it. Spread artifacts don't work, it doesn't deal increased damage to spread shinkas, and you can't load into an activity requiring spread weapons with it

Because Maru's description is inaccurate, not because these weapons are all spread "but only for this one little thing"

Jotunn deals AoE damage with every shot. It doesn't count towards spread artifacts. It's not "sometimes it deals spread damage, sometimes it doesn't"

[south cargo]

Spread: A weapon that fires rounds capable of hitting groups of targets, AOE Damage: Damage that is refers to damage that can hit multiple targets

those are literally the same thing, AOE=spread

[blissful lintel]

At this point you just give up. This is y'all trying to explain the difference right now

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[hoary agate]

Yeah, there was several things clearly stated that were never responded to. And what's being stated is just restatements with different phrasing now.

[indigo solar]

Impact: a weapon that deals high damage at close range.

Snipers deal max damage at close range, therefore snipers count as impact weapons

Those are descriptions of the styles, it doesn't mean that every gun matching the description is part of the style

[hoary agate]

I petition to have Octane count as a sniper because it definitely is killing things out of shotgun range in Iron Bar.

[boreal river]

Need a meme of Mountains telling each other to move

[indigo solar]

Unk I want you to google "not p implies not q" and then come back to the conversation

[south cargo]

Yeah?

[indigo solar]

No

[south cargo]

i supose snipers can have the purpose of impact in that regard

[blissful lintel]

I want so badly to post a gif, but I don't wanna get got by a mod for being rude

[south cargo]

its not its combat style but it can do damage close range

no it cant

[vocal hawk]

that's...not even close to the point of what taniks was trying to say

[boreal river]

Would weapons with Explosive payload be good for spread shinkas

[dim sinew]

Just like Ikora bro

[indigo solar]

Okay look at it this way
There are weapons that can proc artifacts labeled "spread", deal increased damage to spread shinkas, and allow you to launch activities requiring spread. This is category A

There are some damage sources that can deal damage to multiple enemies at once. This is category B

Category A and category B are not synonymous. Some sources are only in category B, without being in category A. Some are only in category A, without being in category B. Because of this, it's important to make a meaningful distinction between the two by having separate names for them. Let's call category A spread weapons, and category B AoE damage sources. Okay?

And yet they can't trigger rapid-fire artifacts or deal more damage to rapid shinkas. Because of this, it's inaccurate and misleading to call them rapid weapons. You can say they can kill rapid shinkas quickly, but that doesn't make them rapid weapons

And it's not what they're treated as by the game either

[vocal hawk]

this conversation is really getting off the rails and disruptive and we're going to have to wrap it up soon
other people have been complaining about how long it's been going on for and how unproductive it's been

if y'all have closing thoughts feel free but again: we're going to have to put a close on it because it's been going nowhere

[indigo solar]

"Spread/Rapid/Impact/Piercing" labels affect more than just whether they can kill a shinka of that type, so that data point alone can't be used to determine what type a weapon is

I'm done now

[rotund junco]

So did they make it easier to prevent others from griefing in calamity ops?

[south cargo]

Closing thoughts are we both have different ideas

[fiery musk]

I'm... incredibly amused that Bungie settled.

[vocal hawk]

somehow that news hadn't hit me yet

[hoary agate]

Is that the d2 vanilla lawsuit or whatever?

[fiery musk]

Yep

[vocal hawk]

i'm sure the settlement is basically because sunsetting and being unable to access their red war data lost them the case

[indigo solar]

Yep almost certainly

Although I still don't really believe they don't have an old build saved somewhere

[fiery musk]

Bungie couldn't even bring forward scripts or anything.

[vocal hawk]

there's a non-zero chance that the person who knew where all that stuff was stored got laid off years ago

[fiery musk]

XD

[vocal hawk]

these feels like a classic case of "they made their bed"

[fiery musk]

Y'know, I think Season of the Seraph might've ripped off some unique story concepts I've made. 🤔
🤣

Let this be a lesson corporations. Lost media is dangerous.

[hoary agate]

I don't really like when games take content out of the game. I get it can be unwieldly or difficult to manage from a dev perspective, but if a game is staying the same size or shrinking, it's a huge negative compared to new releases, or even releases that just don't shrink, imo.

I wish Morgrans Hunt and Eclipse were on like a biweekly rotation rather than gone for awhile and gone for who know when.

[karmic chasm]

This made me smile

[fiery musk]

The obvious solution was to keep to the original plan of releasing Destiny 3 after Shadowkeep.

[fiery musk]

Morgran's hunt seems to be keeping a constant pattern of Week 3 every Act.

[vocal hawk]

Morgran's Hunt comes back pretty frequently

[hoary agate]

I mean, I see it on the schedule

I know it comes back the 20th(?) or whatever

[vocal hawk]

We've had it twice and we're getting it again

Eclipse though...

[hoary agate]

I just think something like that shouldn't have a lapse, or like have something going on constantly. Like week 1 morgrans hunt, week 2 eclipse, then back to week 1

'Cause content drought is a large complaint, makes little to no sense to me to have something like that not in the game.

[karmic chasm]

I’m ngl, my friends and I shake in our boots every time we see something remotely similar to the story we’ve been working on. It’s been a work in progress for a decade.

[hoary agate]

Add exotic artifacts, make it farmable, call it a day.

[fiery musk]

The titles need to be returned permanently if they're not rerunning that. Such a waste of development to only run that once.

Studios wonder why they're seeing losses when they keep releasing and taking back content for 1 time use.

[hoary agate]

Yeah, making content that only exists for like 90 days is a huge waste of time imo.

[fiery musk]

I've given NetEase around $500 from Beta through Season 1. That will be the end of spending money on this game from me until regular content improves.

If $500 isn't enough from a single customer to support the game, then I guess that's that.

Hopefully that Discussion goes well. NetEase needs to understand that their regular content offerings are way too little.

[thorny frost]

While I do agree more engaging events frequently would be best, creating short duration for events, specially multiplayer events might not be bad. It can help focus players to specific areas of the game vs having it open to often.

[barren sand]

Pls fix Helhest animation lock bug

[fiery musk]

I had one idea.

Use the Shifting Gates store as an event store.
Can always get the Translation Credits by spending Pinnacle in Shifting Gates.
But the rotating Event activites would award you Translation Credits without spending Pinnacle.

Course, you have to find an appropriate cap to that. Maybe something like 360 Pinnacle's worth of Translation Credits.

[hoary agate]

I mean, while short duration multiplayer events as a focal point is fine,

Players have been asking for fun grindable content. Something like Morgran's Hunt or Eclipse, after their initial launch event, could definitely be made into grindable rewarding content after the initial event. Keep them on a rotating basis if need be, but they could've filled the gap that's currently missing.

It doesn't need to be set up like an event, just be in the game and drop something worthwhile.

[fiery musk]

If the candy buckets weren't limited, and that event awarded normal Chaos rewards, that event would've been fun to grind...

[thorny frost]

My personal thoughts, tie iron bar into shifting gate shops. Giving translation credits with the chests that you get each day on the weakens.

[fiery musk]

Also a good idea.

The Shifting Gates store is a good idea, filled with a good amount of quality rewards to obtain.
They need to make that standard.

[remote grove]

I log in do choas for 5 min then log off

[molten pulsar]

Thank you.

[hoary agate]

I regularly get reward tiers 5-7 in shifting gates.
But they probably should bump the rewards for 1-4 to include exotic weapon chance and exotic artifact chance tbh, to help the population of SG out.

[remote grove]

Even with t7 rewards the drop chance is to small. Gotten that 4 times this season and no exotic weapon or artifact with pinnacle

[visual rain]

no way they actually had to pay that guy

[smoky oxide]

Because you’re a bully who hunts down defenseless noobs

[fiery musk]

They chose settlement, which means they couldn't prove it, but also didn't want to keeo draining money in court.

[hoary agate]

Smartbomb go kaboom.

[smoky oxide]

If only your helhest stopped giving you heavy ammo

[visual rain]

imagine being so petty that you get a company as large as bungie to just give your sorry ahh pity money

[indigo solar]

I mean there's a nonzero chance Bungie truly did steal his work, given their track record

[visual rain]

i dont remember the exact details but i read about it before and he was basically claiming they "stole" the most generic scifi concepts imaginable

[fiery musk]

One of the claims is "Bungie stole the word Failsafe".

[visual rain]

bruh

[fiery musk]

And Bungie settled on that.

[compact crescent]

The only new content we gotten since launch are the blitz maps which they forgot to turn up the difficulty making them dirt easy.

[visual rain]

thats actually ridiculous lol thats just straight up a word in the dictionary

[remote grove]

Imagine being a lawyer hired on for this case and just facepalming

[fiery musk]

Only 2 of the Blitz maps are actually new maps.

1 of them is rehashed Main Story content.

[remote grove]

Grandmaster difficulty is fine. Just time gated/paid rewards

[gritty rune]

The grindable content is supposed to be chaos, strikes and gauntlet

But the rewards are awful

[fiery musk]

Strikes and Gauntlet are barely even grindable.

[remote grove]

Gauntlet is depressing af grind

Strikes i won't even touch 😄

[compact crescent]

Don't forget chaos has worse rolls if you get artifacts without pinnacle. ☕

[gritty rune]

It does?

[hoary agate]

Gauntlet blitz this season is decently grindable actually imo.

I grinded out the void auto and gl by choice, and it was nice to have something to do.
And now the infinite grind is back to artifact farming.

[fiery musk]

Lower average Attribute scores for no pinnacle

[remote grove]

The rolls always suck most of the time. Even with pinnacle. Took me 900 rounds for 1 godroll, so its possible to get a godroll without pinnacle

[gritty rune]

I think the problem overall is that rewards without pinnacle, are garbage, and 120 pinnacle doesn’t make you feel you’ve made any real progress

[compact crescent]

It does. I used to spent weeks farming them without pinnacle and I was getting impossibly bad rolls.

Now I spend pinnacle only and get 3/4 or god rolls consistently.

[indigo solar]

And one of the others was present in alpha

[fiery musk]

Oof

[gritty rune]

But they really need to make major fixes soon cos you can just feel the game emptying out

[dusty spire]

Ngl when ever I play I must be during peak hours because I don’t have half the lf problems

[fiery musk]

NetEase chose for Season 2 content to be subpar, unfortunately.

[remote grove]

Just RNG really, ive gotten the same artifact 6 times in a row while trying for a different one

[fiery musk]

They saw Bungie deciding 0 content for new seasons, and reaching record lows, is good engagement bait.

So... lol

[vocal hawk]

i stopped getting void ingredients for some reason

[remote grove]

They added the 500$ emblem for the whales so I assume theyve still made more money than last season even with no new onslaught this season

[fiery musk]

I was incredibly amused to ser how many pepple dumped $430 season 2 day 1.

[remote grove]

I saw that emblem 10 minutes into season 2. Funny thing is the new emblem for the season collection looks better. Imo

[fiery musk]

Insert $0.25 to continue.

[gritty rune]

What server are you on cos in EMEA, queues sre just taking longer and longer

[dusty spire]

EMEA lol

[fiery musk]

Yesterday was my 1st day missing a login for D:R.

[gritty rune]

They can add as much cosmetics for whales as they want for all I care as long as there’s good content

[karmic chasm]

Wait this is fact?

[gritty rune]

Really? I was trying to push CO earlier and it was like 2-3 mins to fill a party.

6 man GM just doesn’t fill outside of Monday/Tuesday now etc

[dusty spire]

Btw need quick help. Been loving iron lately but I don’t know what effects actually work in match?

Is it just base weapon what else could or can proc?

[remote grove]

Whales only content is grinding calamity. Don't even understand why buy into that. Calamity is awful this season lol

[fiery musk]

Helhest getting an impactful, direct nerf during a Cycle that's actually challenging is crazy work.

[remote grove]

And they did the same strike 2 weeks in a row for calamity kinda awful lol

[gritty rune]

Not really, whales still progress characters and do whatever like everyone else. They just do it faster

[compact crescent]

What is this nerf people keep talking about? 👀

[fiery musk]

Barely. They get 3 more days to the week in Pinnacle, and that's about it.

[remote grove]

Need pinnacle energy for progress characters. Only costs like 360 silver a week. Wouldn't call that whaling lol

[gritty rune]

Ehhh you have to do the same strike for the whole calamity rotation. Imagine if they did Fulminator last week and this week is this thing.

It’d be extremely unfair

[compact crescent]

laughs in buying resources from black market

[dusty spire]

If you’re not utilising the return on calamity every month……

[gritty rune]

They can keep refreshing

[soft bobcat]

Something that only affects the 0.00551%

[remote grove]

Black market doesnt sell sheafs or clusters that are the main things for grinding acclaim

[fiery musk]

This part is good for maxing more Exotic Weapons faster.

But the rest of the materials are flush enough not to matter anyways.

[dusty spire]

Even if you have to use characters outside the meta to progress as much as you can.

[gritty rune]

But the point is. I don’t think whales just push content all the time

[coarse sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/flush-toilet-press-gif-13733395

they're "flush" enough 😂 😂 😂

[true mauve]

I will see

[nimble plank]

omg i'm so dumb, i just fricking realised that i spent like 1500 mythic weapon parameters trying to get auto cross bow with 2 mythic perks for my ning, but I WILL BE SWITCHING IT OUT FOR YURI ONCE I GET IT, i feel so dumbbbbbbb

[compact crescent]

I love how so many gaslight themselves into thinking whaling doesn't give a lot of advantage.

[gritty rune]

For example, Genshin had nothing but piss easy content you can clear with whatever you want for like 3 years and it still made like $50-$100m a month on mobile alone and was so profitable Sony gave it its own award category

[vocal hawk]

We don't have the exotic mod for Confetti yet

[dusty spire]

So swords even though they can hit multiple enemies is not recognised as aoe damage but as contact?

[remote grove]

Sad that new event is basically go run legendary campaign for shinkas to drop the food you need then go do a few boring blitz/public events for 15 min then done for the day

[gritty rune]

I mean, I wasn’t expecting it to be any more than that lol. The rewards are disappointing though.

Could have made the 2 pulls LE at least

[dusty spire]

During the release they had a lot of players available to play looool soooooo many lol I have no doubt genshin would not have made what it did had not we went through lockdown

[nimble plank]

was that a big dumb blunder? or is it not that bad? please tell me its not that bad

[gritty rune]

And it still does. It barely dropped in revenue over time.

[dusty spire]

Because it captured market during that period

[indigo solar]

Yeah but it's two separate instances of damage that each damage one enemy, not one that damages two enemies, so I don't think it will work. Let me know tho

[indigo solar]

That just gives a second shrapnel

[gritty rune]

I mean, we had a lot more players at launch in DR than we do now. Queues used to pop like in seconds.

So capturing the market doesn’t mean you keep it

[karmic chasm]

Who’s doing the gaslighting, the whales or the f2p you think?

[compact crescent]

Yes

[spice ridge]

It's just 15 engrams
Usually for God rolls it takes 25 to 40

[dusty spire]

We had hype and fomo similar to how stocks are “pumped” not everything keeps going up.

And I think the hype was over exaggerated for what it was because of the destiny community as a whole

[hoary agate]

1500 mythic engram fragments is not a significant amount. You're fine.

[gritty rune]

Cos NetEase screwed it up and hoyo didn’t.

Or NetEase just doesn’t care cos DR is just a side project

[dusty spire]

Maybe they just entered at a novice it’s a very difficult market rn especially with the speed that titles are released now days.

[nimble plank]

oh god, got scared for a sec here,but i still feel dumb, why did i try to get god roll on something that sooner or later ima switch out for something else lol

[dusty spire]

I’d refuse to believe netease don’t care considering how much we have put into this.

[gritty rune]

DR had a pretty good turnout, had really good word of mouth and made a decent revenue at 11m on opening month on GL alone, but NetEase does like no marketing for it and just puts no effort in

[soft bobcat]

May I sit Next to you while this plays out?

[spice ridge]

It's understandable that I got God rolls for a sworn oath now it's switched out for exotic

[gritty rune]

NetEase? Novices? They’re the second biggest developer in China and has been around for a long time lol

[hoary agate]

I had like 120 mythic choice engrams at the beginning of the season, and I started burning them on weird things. Double mythics for characters I'm not even using.

[nimble plank]

i guess they just hoped for alot of people who play D2 to play it as well, dunno how well that worked out

[velvet swan]

Starting to pack a punch, Helhest at 68k

[dusty spire]

I own a decent portion in my portfolio, if you want to know what we are doing with destiny that’s another area to explore…

[soft bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-pose-cute-chair-silly-gif-3468449

[gritty rune]

What? Next to zero marketing, AI voices still, pinnacle fix being ‘we’ll tell you next year’ and even the roadmap has typos and spelling mistakes?

If you want to see a game they actually care about, look at Anata and how much exposure it gets even though it’s gonna be years until release

[coarse sparrow]

the ai voices 😂

[gritty rune]

0/10 bait lmao

[dusty spire]

Don’t mean the team don’t care…resources

[karmic chasm]

Don’t care, it’s Destiny

[dusty spire]

The quality of the game at the moment doesn’t feel like a team working on it doesn’t care..

The selling of it is a different team I believe

[gritty rune]

Doesn’t matter whether they csre, NetEase higher ups clearly doesn’t

[karmic chasm]

The team cares but the mother company may not

[compact crescent]

Imagine when the pinnacle fix is just doubling the daily pinnacle. Now you get 6 minutes of daily gametime instead of 3.

[gritty rune]

I’d take it

[dusty spire]

I’d think they would otherwise why waste time in the venture?

[fiery musk]

I think my plan moving forward is to log in once every 6 months to play the new campaign content.

[karmic chasm]

Destiny doesn’t really merge well with hot mommy anime characters with big garbanzos, so Netease puts in minimal advertising

[karmic chasm]

Is that why you stepped down? Don’t like the direction of the game?

[gritty rune]

Because it’s just a side project they mede to turn an easy profit on costs, to fund their flagship projects

[dusty spire]

It’s exactly why the game caught my eye…not anime, respectfully even if this was just a test of the waters I’m ok in participating lol.

[dusty spire]

I’m ok with that lol if you understand my pov then lol

[karmic chasm]

Did chat die or something

https://tenor.com/view/lost-alexandria-helping-hand-love-death-and-robots-flying-i-the-space-gif-22022661

[naive ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/pratchett-death-skull-grim-reaper-gif-24845647

Yep, chats died... come back chat

[frigid kraken]

what rank is that?

[coarse sparrow]

no shower master prestige 3

[manic steeple]

don't think so if 64k is the max for gold badge

[nimble plank]

explain me that, recommended for expanse is 51500 i use wolf who has 56300 and i deal no dmg, am i just dumb with abilities or is this thing just dumb??

[manic steeple]

no shower would mean 74k+ light on all of them

[fickle storm]

tenured professor i think its called

[surreal berry]

NEVER KNEW the Reunion DAY is... A DAILY Reset Task...
Up until now...

[hoary agate]

Expanse scales from like 52k to 67k from 1-30, which level are you trying to do?

[mint gulch]

Isn’t expanse power capped?

[surreal berry]

IF u want to make sure u get enough [Tokens] for Reunion Day... U best go collect all the ARC, VOID AND SOLAR [Materials] at the Front line LOCATION...

[nimble plank]

11-20
usually somewhere mid way my dmg just stops existing

5 full mags into a yellow bar mob and he still alive while i'm dying and that shrine or whatever it is that i have to protect is down to 20% and its all just wave 1 out of 3

[fickle storm]

think 11-20 starts at 59k power and goes to 62k

[mint gulch]

That’s because levels increase the power requirement ever 3 waves. And for 11-20 you’ll need 62k to be fine

[frigid kraken]

ngl i think i was wrong about maru 64k maru with 72k gweyn and jolder. I think maru is a good unit to pull at t0 if u can max her weapon

[vocal hawk]

Yes, it is. Power caps in each stage and the maximum is 67800

[restive shore]

When do battle pass token in shop reset?

[karmic chasm]

She’s so good, when was anyone doubting this

[frigid kraken]

just focus on weapon dmg instead of ability

[half sun]

this singularity says defeat enemies but none show

[nimble plank]

oh, that makes some sense

[vocal hawk]

The battle pass token shop is refreshed each battle pass.
I don't know why we have ten extra tokens this time around, they don't pass between battle passes.

[frigid kraken]

well my perspective of her came from calamity, she doesnt do well in calamity, but in gm/expense where it not heavlity time gated, i think she shine even at t0

[nimble plank]

i've been trying it with wolf, i'm going a run with jolder now, even tho in theory she is supposed to be weaker than wolf my dmg feels much better

[karmic chasm]

I’d take a peek at the Calamity leaderboards brochacho.

And even if she wasn’t on them, Calamity is the worst PvE gamemode to every exist imo 🫶

[restive shore]

Sorry, when do battle pass weapon token reset in the black market

[vocal hawk]

The black market refreshes every monday and friday

[mint gulch]

Just remember for 1-20 only thing that really matters is the clear not the time. So when in doubt… jolder it out

[vocal hawk]

You don't have to stress super hard about your character choice until 21-30 as well
They don't get locked in the earlier stages

[compact crescent]

I'd reroll for Ning Fei if I was starting out. ☕

[nimble plank]

yup, that worked

was tight with time on the boss but managed

[plain forum]

Is the reunion day theme bug or smth

[tidal girder]

what is meta for SG Ning Fei artifacts?

[indigo solar]

You can lock 8 characters per expanse cycle :)

[soft bobcat]

bro you're living in another dimension if you're just now coming to that conclusion

[vocal hawk]

what

[indigo solar]

You can also do your first clears with suboptimal characters so you can use the same one to speedrun both

[indigo solar]

Characters are locked upon claiming a chest, so you can lock a different character at stages 3/6/9/10 on each side

Well technically locked upon a treasure room being reached for the first time

[nimble plank]

hmm seems like there isn't many people playing shifting gates at almost 2am

[hoary agate]

I just got a shifting gates match.

[lyric crater]

wtf does the reunion day theme do? what a waste of currency... it literally does nothing

[nimble plank]

might depend on rank too, i'm at assistant 2

[hoary agate]

Like 3.5k here or so.

[nimble plank]

ima wait a minute more, if no match i'm out

[main kindle]

I hate pennacle energy

[nimble plank]

ima have to spam shifting gates tomorrow anyways with pinnacle energy to finally get all i need from the store

[frigid kraken]

i only play clamaity

[nimble plank]

its so dumb tho, we need alot of translation credits, and we can only get it via pinnacle energy, and we don't even get that much

[soft bobcat]

basically liviing in another dimension from me then, because I haven't even touched calamity this cycle 😂

so much stress over a few leaves and a couple clusters. I really don't think it's worth it

[karmic chasm]

Annnd no more assembly plant for me! What a good run. I also got a jotuun drop but figured nobody cared

[thorny frost]

It puts an image on your homepage.

[indigo solar]

Not yet, haven't had time

[indigo solar]

Just gotta lock in. I could've gone a lot longer but I got something in my eye

[soft bobcat]

Oooh GG's

[karmic chasm]

I was so hyped lol. Exotic, groll, and MVP (my teammates were snoozing bc this is not a Rossi centric blitz)

Either way, I’m now fully invested in Maru

Last thing I need for comfort is T1

[soft bobcat]

I'm impressed fr I'd love to have witnessed it

35% dmg to boss even

[karmic chasm]

That’s the thing, I didn’t even do much. I just shot arrows and Yuri and threw a couple thread flows. Imo, bellicose plant is putting in major work

[soft bobcat]

Noted

[hoary agate]

9/12 Iron Bar, join up~

[karmic chasm]

Rossi’s abilities don’t do much damage, so you want a boost on your weapons every time you cast them… this is especially useful because you can throw arc cage at the floor and get it back immediately, so if you really wanted to, you could have close to 100% uptime on the boost from bellicose

[soft bobcat]

Ooh okay that's smart with his cage so it's kinda like Maru using Rampaging Pact in a way. How important are his talents?

[karmic chasm]

To make him truly viable, I felt like getting him all the way to T4, but honestly T2 is enough to play him

[alpine depot]

wow, Rossi can be that good ! wut is HALO under your name means?

[karmic chasm]

Rossi is the goat. I’ve even gotten MVP in GMs. Also HALO is my pack tag!

[alpine depot]

LOL , Maru last ! very interesting. But it is admirable, I thought only 5* chars rule

[karmic chasm]

The list is a complete joke btw, Maru is my second main lol

[alpine depot]

ngl I was wondering how is she last and her name in next to yours lol, I took it fr

[soft bobcat]

I honestly agree. As a character Rossi has the greatest potential when we're talking raw power and his background.

[alpine depot]

what is your main?

[soft bobcat]

Helhest -> Ning -> Jolder -> Maru is my "main" rotation atm

[twilit thistle]

Around 10k i hit a pole. Idk if I’m gonna be able to focus for that long.

[alpine depot]

glad to see Ning, I like him and Helhest sounds great too, hope I get a chance to have her in future

[indigo solar]

Good news is it stops speeding up after 8k

There's also only like 12 patterns

[half sun]

Megula or whatever her name is....sucks in gates, her shot skill takes decades to come off cooldown

[karmic chasm]

This is my real list, and people still debate it heavily.

[hushed crown]

[heady tiger]

I GOT JOLDER FINALLY YY RAGGGG

[soft bobcat]

I remember seeing your first one and I kinda hard disagreed on a lot. This one looks pretty accurate aside from Xuan Ikora and Finnala. I'd put them all in at least C and Kabr would be D

[alpine depot]

congratsss

[hoary agate]

Has anyone done any challenging content with Xuan Wei or Finnala?

I know someone did some Kabr 30 expanses and we know God's Halberd does Ikora stuff that shouldn't be done.

[alpine depot]

tysm I like it when ppl like Ning 😂

[heady tiger]

tyyy!! shes the only one i really wanted, specially cuz I missed the goth girly so Void Titan was my next pick lol

[alpine depot]

I feel u, I got Ning as my 5* it is like game said : sorry u joined us late and missed helhest hehe enjooy

[soft bobcat]

I did a GM with a Finnala once that absolutely owned and MVP'd and since then I've tried to replicate it on the side.

[heady tiger]

Fr thoo

[trail tinsel]

This is my main use case for Finnala. I love her in GMs

[hoary agate]

I don't really count GMs as challenging tbh. Looking for Expanse or Calamity Ops.

[trail tinsel]

In fact, it may have been my Finnala you saw

[floral abyss]

[hushed crown]

[soft bobcat]

Expanse and Calamity Ops are flawed in general as endgame activities. Yeah you'll be hard pressed to change the meta there.

[floral abyss]

[hushed crown]

[trail tinsel]

GMs are challenging, the issue is there's always someone that can carry two stragglers. And that someone always tends to be me on impact/spread lol. It's pretty annoying. I see the most people die in GMs of any activity

[soft bobcat]

Could have been for sure!

[trail tinsel]

They could honestly do GMs the way they do calamity with leaderboards and tiers, and it would become the tanky/defensive version of calamity

[soft bobcat]

I've tried at least nearly 10 attempts to clear GM Blitz this week with randoms and we've failed every time. It definitely qualifies as a challenging activity with randoms.

[hoary agate]

I mean they are flawed, but you can still do things (mainly expanse). Like God's Halberd doing Arc Precision with Ikora or Void Spread expanse having 6+ characters in top 50.

Like, I count Kabr's Expanse 30 for rapid fire as something, even just a basic clear.

I just don't know of anyone that has invested significantly enough to get a decent or basic clear with Finnala or Xuan Wei and made a video or shown anyone.

[trail tinsel]

I've gotten 8 minute clears with Finnala. But no intention of making videos

[thorny frost]

It might help once impact returns to expanse

[soft bobcat]

Swords still need a lot of work

They can be strong I hit 500K+ the other day in one heavy hit.. But they're still so buggy against flying enemies etc

[trail tinsel]

Game needs a lot of work. They shipped it a year too early.

Just hope people come back when the next big update releases.

[ivory phoenix]

not likely, very few games recover from a bad launch XD

[trail tinsel]

Destiny fans are an interesting breed though. We'll see!

[true mauve]

We have a roadmap

Come back in April for S4

[mint gulch]

There will be a whole new world of games by April

[trail tinsel]

We're saying we hope people come back. We're not questioning the roadmap.

[true mauve]

They will be in same boat as this one when they launch

[ivory phoenix]

oh a roadmap that shows us nothing for another 4months!, lets do nothing and enjoy the drip feed till then, there is gunna be no one left by then apart from the whales xD

[trail tinsel]

Speaking of, about to go launch Where Winds Meet

[true mauve]

Its a free game?

[ivory phoenix]

and? free dont excuse handling it like dogs breakfast,all these lame updates and cringe events and nothing of susbstaince but some more toons to whale on

[mint gulch]

This… is exactly what I mean lol I’m excited for December’s mobile launch the UI for netease pc clients feels iffy rn to me

[karmic chasm]

Pretty decent takes, but Finnala stays in exile

[true mauve]

That is typical gacha right before holidays

[south cargo]

fr i was expecting a raid at the start of the season but unfortunatly theres nothing

[karmic chasm]

I mean, I don’t even like him necessarily, he was just the indisputable best character before Helhest arrived

[soft bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-stare-really-gif-14261608

[ivory phoenix]

whats ur excuse to cover us till march? that aint holidays bruh

[mint gulch]

Helhest needs so much investment I don’t even consider her good I consider her capable at best. Compared to most other characters at t1 she won’t even compare

[true mauve]

Chinese have diff holidays

[karmic chasm]

But she’s great at T1?

[true mauve]

She good at t0

I took mine from 10k to 62k today, she isnt bad

[karmic chasm]

When I first tried qb with three boost drones up… dude. Talk about burst damage

[true mauve]

Qb with salvo and without salvo big diff

[mint gulch]

I honestly can’t see her useful unless she’s in team stuff until her t4 for the heavy drop buff cause if you run low… then what.

What does helhest do without heavy ammo

[true mauve]

Should we run Attal or Rossi instead then for arc piercing?

[mint gulch]

Umeko with a bore is my choice LOL

[true mauve]

62kHelhest outdamages my 73k Rossi

[mint gulch]

Rossi needs a dang buff tho

[soft bobcat]

Place Drones in strategic positions to either apply damage buffs, movement speed buffs or healing the healing shouldn't be needed in a good team

[hoary agate]

Yeah a sniper like Umeko or Tan with Borealis is gonna be more expanse future proof imo.

[mint gulch]

What happens when it’s not an arc run lol

[true mauve]

Nah borealis isn't good for boss dps

[hoary agate]

Band 2 Borealis is basically all you need for a precision expanse clear.

[true mauve]

Use Ning?

[hoary agate]

It's not gonna be leaderboard competitive but it still gets full rewards.

[true mauve]

Game so stale on content we all should have multiple maxed characters

Dont focus on one

[soft bobcat]

Best Case scenario is that Calamity Ops doesn't become an Endgame Activity because it's a terrible Endgame Activity.

[true mauve]

I dont even do pve itz boring

[ivory phoenix]

chuck expanse in the terrible end game too

[true mauve]

Raid mechanics are only cool once then annoying after

[mint gulch]

They should have a solo morgrans hunt mode for some endgame stuff that scales crazy up to 75k

[true mauve]

Still lame

[mint gulch]

Yet we still here

[true mauve]

"Let me solo blast dudes for even longer for junk rewards"

[mint gulch]

The rewards is a whole diff story… a scary one at that

[ivory phoenix]

still shocks me some one went "that was a good bit of work" when thinking of the expanse plan...speed running is a TERRIBLE END GAME cycle

[true mauve]

Only way to give f2p illusion of leaderboard, hide time shaves behind talents

[mint gulch]

I will say I do like the changes to the PvP like shifting.. so I hope they get creative and give us something to grind out that’s fun. Calamity breaks so many spirits it’s not fun anymore trying to cope people into a real rank grind

[true mauve]

Still doing unstuck in cal ops?

[mint gulch]

I think there’s 2 this run

[true mauve]

Too sweaty for randoms

[mint gulch]

2 unsticks and a respawn before sparrow

[true mauve]

Yeah, never working that hard for 2 clusters

[soft bobcat]

The worst part is that this activity gives the most amount of materials that lower level players need.

[true mauve]

The poor get poorer fr

[soft bobcat]

It's absolutely stupid

[twilit thistle]

Calamity is boring. Give me trials of Osiris

[mint gulch]

Honestly what made me kinda like… eh. Is that they used the same run as last calamity just changed elements and shinkas. Very low investment on their effort

[true mauve]

It also keeps players familiar, randoms cant learn new unstuck mechanics and out of bounds areas every 2 weeks

Game isnt made for the top10% of players, its made for majority of casual f2p on their mobile devices. Not a console or PC game

[mint gulch]

ain’t no casual f2p clearing these last two calamities without carries

Ranking up … clears sure!

[true mauve]

Not in overseer, is specialist or expert below that?

I used Rossi and did a cal ops clear

[soft bobcat]

If you're still having fun with Cal Ops, then more power to you.

[mint gulch]

Yeah but rn even specialist takes a real team of focused players to instant promote. My alt can’t even promote with the dudes I ran my masters with on my main

[true mauve]

Whats diff between your alt and main account?

[mint gulch]

My alt a baby tan only one over 70k… my main everyone almost over 70 lol

[true mauve]

💀 thats not a cal ops issue then is a team comp issue

[mint gulch]

We are talking about a 49 or 59k calamity run tho

[compact crescent]

Too much skill issue, people just need to stop trying to run CalOps with low tier characters. Use either of the latest two banner mythics.

[tight talon]

Yeah can confirm that someone with T6 Helhest couldn't promote us outta Rank 5 Spec II

[mint gulch]

Acclaim 99?

My team was 72k helhest 73k wolf 70k tan and couldn’t hit instant promo

With my 71k helhest we greased masters tho … makes no sense

[soft bobcat]

To what end?

[twilit thistle]

I can’t break out of specialist either. To be honest I have more fun with those players. I don’t need the rewards, I’ve been focusing on ensuring each player gets promoted or avoids getting demoted.

[mint gulch]

I think we all in the same boat rn LOL

[tight talon]

Till you get a golden faucet or a bathtub ig

[soft bobcat]

Yeah we're all in the same boat right now

[thorny frost]

Pretty sure that was a sarcasm post by the picture they posted… but I guess never can be positive online.

[mint gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-sinking-gif-19769322

[soft bobcat]

We can keep fighting each other about things we disagree about that don't actually matter. That's what the developers might like us to do. But we're actually all in the same boat at the end of the day.

[mint gulch]

Sail on soldiers

[shadow mango]

for me, current Cal Ops feels worse than all the others for whatever reason

and unstuck stuff is silly

[soft bobcat]

1000000%

[thorny frost]

From a development standpoint point it looks like specialist 2 is where they planned on most people getting too. Seeing as 80% of specialty 1 promotes into it.

[mint gulch]

What makes it feel bad to me is the first few calams were SO much fun. These last two cycles broke a lot of us

I literally LOVED calam runs until this map

[soft bobcat]

I vibe with that fr I actually DID have fun with Calams the first couple of cycles

[tight talon]

You don't like Precision Bots and Hobgoblins one shotting you this Calamity.

Cause they do when you don't have an Overshield

[mint gulch]

I don’t like reviving ads in a speedrun event it’s kinda like the stand and sit circles in an expanse… has no place lol

[tight talon]

Despite Shield not shield gating

[wary shale]

so for the reunion day event, the design choice for the shinka item was just like, super bad, right?

[mint gulch]

Just run legendary camp for your shinka drops

[mint tendon]

^

[thorny frost]

They need more strikes for us to run for calamity, 4 really isn’t a lot.

[wary shale]

smh reading it I thought they had to come from blitz

[mint gulch]

It’s not guaranteed tho mind that

[mint tendon]

Lol

[thorny frost]

Wait the shinka one isn’t guaranteed? I swore I got one from each of the shinka in my legendary run

[vocal hawk]

The shinka one comes from Anywhere, elemental ingredients come from blitz and destination

[mint tendon]

Thanks

[karmic chasm]

So is it a skill issue or a money issue, I’m confused

[mint gulch]

I ran a few with my alt and it didn’t drop instantly … it’s a bit of rng still

On my main I farmed everything in like 1 blitz with a triple element wolf and a legendary on Ning lol

[thorny frost]

O dang, well I got lucky. Not like I won’t run legendary a couple times tho.

[karmic chasm]

Can confirm, and you know I glaze Rossi to the moon and back