Astronomica

[shut ocean]

it's faster to keep using aseprite

[loud spire]

but it's really slow

[shut ocean]

it's four clicks from an uploaded image

five if you have to change name

[sick scaffold]

i just shove my sprites in pinetools

it's worked pretty good so far

[loud spire]

i find it confusing to have to export, move to 1x, scale, export again, move to 2x

i mess up the steps a lot

[shut ocean]

there's a button to export at a bigger size in ase

[loud spire]

that's not the part i have trouble with 😭

its the moving files around

and i heard resize.py automates all of that

[loud spire]

Working extremely hard to get the next release of Astronomica out to yall

dear god my spectral code is a monstrosity that barely works ingame

[shut ocean]

is there demicolon compat

[loud spire]

for all applicable jokers yes!

[shut ocean]

hell yeah

[loud spire]

consumables will be compat probably shortly after next release

[shut ocean]

its just jokers with demicolon compatibilities

[loud spire]

my beloved nostalgic deck though...

[shut ocean]

built in demicolon compatibilities*

[loud spire]

hehehe

[shut ocean]

me omw to implement a way to force trigger consumeables just bc:

[loud spire]

i still have so much work to do waaa

[shut ocean]

(btw it will only work if the can_use function returns true)

[loud spire]

i couldve sworn you told me like yesterday yall were gonna add a joker that lets you put consumables in the joker area

[shut ocean]

there's not gonna be a joker that does that

||it's a code card, obviously||

[loud spire]

ah

peak

demicolon consumables would be peak

[shut ocean]

and playing cards

consumeables will only get force triggered if they can normally activate though

it will be equivalent to using them except without consuming the card

[loud spire]

thats how i imagined it too

[loud spire]

im gonna delay my replacement mechanic for centurio for a bit since its really fucking hard to code

centurio is still scrapped though

update will be out extremely soon

[loud spire]

do yall like my new exotic joker

Astronomica

also new post name for simplicity

why is it spoilered i didnt mean to spoiler it

[little abyss]

^4 Mult

[waxen aurora]

Why does brainstorm look like that

[loud spire]

why not

[terse storm]

dont you know you get instantly banned for 1e300 years if your brainstorm looks like that

[loud spire]

aw man

[loud spire]

i thought i fixed that

are you updated

[spring galleon]

I don't know, will see tomorrow

[loud spire]

also, I'm considering buffing factoria in an interesting way

after every upgrade, increase factorial arrows
for example it'd scale by:
3+2+1 to 3x2x1 to 3^2^1 to 3^^2^^1 etc

but I might not do that

factoria is already absurdly OP

[loud spire]

tee hee

[loud spire]

this is an absolute pain in the ass to code

I have to literally manually code the effect here for every single boss blind

vanilla and cryptid

[loud spire]

new demonstration

[swift hedge]

Prohibition sign looking goofy

[loud spire]

its supposed to be a stylized version of the inversion symbol anyways

its mostly a placeholder for right now

until i learn how to use atlases from vanilla and other mods

Blinds done: The Clock, The Shard, The Manacle, The Wall

[solar bobcat]

can we have a fallback blind of sorts if a modded one appears

[loud spire]

thats what im currently trying to code

it is frustratingly difficult

[solar bobcat]

ah

[loud spire]

me when i spend so much time coding i end up visibly shaking from hunger

you have absolutely no idea how LONG this took me

[shut ocean]

context.setting_blind is right there

[loud spire]

it did not work lmao

this works now though

[loud spire]

lmao

[shut ocean]

peak

also consider: making the description specify compatible blinds

[loud spire]

probably will yeah, incompatible blinds get turned into a fallback "empty" boss blind that does nothing

though some boss blinds will be blacklisted entirely (like ee in entropy)

[shut ocean]

eentropy

[loud spire]

im currently trying to figure out how to

[shut ocean]

more like e1#2ntropy

[loud spire]

make each reversed blind use the same atlas as its base equivalent

except with a color inversion shader applied

without crashing the game if the mod isnt present

so like

[loud spire]

since each blind background color is a color inverted version of the original anyways

[shut ocean]

antimatter voucher

[loud spire]

huh

[loud spire]

the plant haters rejoice

[shut ocean]

cinema

[loud spire]

blinds implemented so far: the clock, the shard, the manacle, the wall, the serpent, the goad, the head, the club, the window, the plant

[brave anvil]

Positive eye
Retrigger all playing cards if hand is a repeated hand type

[loud spire]

if anyone knows if it's possible to use atlases from other mods without crashing the game if said mod isn't present, it would be very appreciated

I want inverted boss blinds to still have the same token as their original counterparts

[tall ivy]

Very nice work so far!

[loud spire]

thank you! working very hard

[terse storm]

G.ASSET_ATLAS[key] or G.ASSET_ATLAS[placeholderkey] or if youre just passing in a string ModCheck and ModAtlasKey or PlaceholderKey

[dull laurel]

Violet Vessel getting its goal reduced to 5 Chips:

https://tenor.com/view/wine-glass-wine-broken-glass-shattered-glass-red-wine-gif-19323789

[solar bobcat]

liked

[loud spire]

this but unironically

[swift hedge]

I'll make flipped "debuffed" versions of blinds

Because I have the right way to do so

Actually nvm

Bucket tool is so ass which makes the process much slower

Next time when I can use my pc

[loud spire]

they don't have unique blind icons

also debuffing blinds will retrigger instead

[swift hedge]

I meant

[loud spire]

wdym

[swift hedge]

The flipped blinds would look like this
I used ox as an example

Or is this too much

[loud spire]

i already made the inverted blind icons, they're just color inverted versions of the regular icons

[swift hedge]

o

[loud spire]

i would show an example but im at school rn

[swift hedge]

I thought you didn't omg

I was about to waste an hour

Due to how bucket tool works (it can't recolor all pixels, just the ones connected)

[loud spire]

i don't

oh whoops

i misunderstood

[swift hedge]

m

[loud spire]

if you're using aseprite you can just replace color

[swift hedge]

I don...

I'm on mobile too

It does have replace color but it's a filter and I can only use hue saturation lightness instead of the actual color

[loud spire]

ah

upon release, inverted blinds will have support for:
all vanilla blinds
all cryptid blinds
all astronomica blinds
all entropy blinds (with the exception of ||ee and it's phases||)

what other mods should i include?

polterworx support is planned for the future but it will exclude epic blinds

[swift hedge]

Hmm

I love the idea of these

[shut ocean]

pwx descending -> makes chips + mult become chips ^ mult instead

[loud spire]

I'm very excited for that one

[loud spire]

work in progress

theres one for chips too

[swift hedge]

Actually thi will be an upcoming blind in cryptid (it's an approved suggestion) called the cube

I made art for it

[loud spire]

damn

[swift hedge]

But the inferno isn't

[loud spire]

perhaps I can pr this into cryptid then lmao

[swift hedge]

So you can work on that

[loud spire]

can you show me where this is confirmed?

[swift hedge]

https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1364792242279026728

[loud spire]

damn alr

will pr it into cryptid then maybe

[loud spire]

the torrent is now scrapped, a boss blind that has the same effect, the cube, (which i just made a pull request for!), is gonna be in the next cryptid update

[swift hedge]

Inferno idea (I just took a random old blind of mine)

[loud spire]

unsure if ill keep inferno

depends on if the cube in regular cryptid gets reworked or not

[swift hedge]

Wdym

[loud spire]

cube might have a different effect

[loud spire]

i think ill get a small update out to yall just so you can have some new content

Blind inversion will be beta though

only a few blinds are supported rn

i also need to make a sprite and name for it

[loud spire]

new joker for next update (what rarity should this be?)

for clarification, when you beat a blind, each point you score that is above the blind requirement is added to this joker, and applied to the first hand of the next blind, it then resets to zero after your first hand is played

i still desperately need help with sprite art

[tall ivy]

I think it might be an epic.

[loud spire]

maybe

tbf its not blueprint compatible

[shut ocean]

https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1364594585044652102

welcome back

[loud spire]

is this actually what situla does

[shut ocean]

yes

[loud spire]

because i literally asked someone what situla does before

and they didnt tell me

[shut ocean]

well its slightly stronger

[shut ocean]

its this, but it's +chips, does all score and not just surplus

[loud spire]

ah

[shut ocean]

and is permanent and not just "for the next round"

like a regular scaling joker

[loud spire]

alright ill make it epic then

[shut ocean]

i put little effort into it

it power scales every card in cryptid

[loud spire]

thats crazy

[shut ocean]

and most cards in almanac that don't go above ^^^2

[loud spire]

mhm

when i finish Exadversum's art im gonna push a new release

[shut ocean]

o7

[loud spire]

though to note

its only compatible with a few blinds rn

but ill update as i make them

also blackleg isnt blueprint compatible

[tall ivy]

Maybe if it reset at the beginning of each round?

[loud spire]

it does!

it resets after first hand played

basically just adds excess winning score to your next blind

[tall ivy]

Right, but what if you win on your first hand?

[loud spire]

Then you get to keep the difference

but it's quite difficult to maintain your momentum

[loud spire]

im gonna keep torrent and inferno for now

but

if the cube retains its originally concepted effect

im removing torrent and inferno

[loud spire]

What do you guys think of this sprite?

[tribal cave]

i am the culprit

[loud spire]

lmao

[tall ivy]

I like it! I am a bit confused on the imagry though. Why a cage?

[loud spire]

i was really struggling to come up with ideas for the soul sprite but my reasoning was that it "imprisoned" negative boss blinds, replacing them with better counterparts

super weak but

i dont beat myself up over card design too much

or else id never get anything done

most of the art in this mod will be replaced anyways at some point

i just need to find someone who could help with it

[tall ivy]

I was just curious. It still looks really nice! I could help with a few sprites at a later point if you want.

[loud spire]

perhaps!

ty though!

anyways, i do believe i'm ready for the next release

https://github.com/NaoRiley/Astronomica/releases/tag/v0.1.0

New update is out

Exadversum is currently in BETA, but it should still be fully playable

Does not support every boss blind yet

god damn all this art is atrocious

[tribal cave]

that purple exotic art looks like non-versimile lol

[loud spire]

i took inspiration from it lol

the effect is unrelated to non verisimile though

[tribal cave]

lmao

yea

[loud spire]

this is what it does ingame

[loud spire]

lmao

also forgot to mention but this art is placeholder

[solar bobcat]

legendary imo

[loud spire]

perhaps

[solar bobcat]

it's really busted if you know how to use it well

[loud spire]

playing a run with it

its crazy busted

[solar bobcat]

I would have said Exotic if it wouldn't be by the fact that it still needs support from other scoring jokers
Besides, on antes 10+ it becomes rather insignificant as you'll likely have a good scaling scoring combo to last you a while

[loud spire]

yeah

might have broken inverted clock

no idea how this happened

is this the lowest blind requirement ever

[shut ocean]

yes, possibly

[tribal cave]

oopsie

[loud spire]

do yall like econ boss blinds?

[shut ocean]

peak

[loud spire]

still trying to make the flint but its fucking impossible to code

[terse storm]

you should make it per scored card so you can retrigger a shit ton to get money

[loud spire]

pretty sure it is

[terse storm]

oh nice

[loud spire]

easiest blind to code so far btw

fucking HATE the flint

[slow pilot]

reverse ox divides your money by zero

[loud spire]

reverse ox will probably double your money or something

[nimble cosmos]

why the name change on the tier above exotic

?

[loud spire]

just a creative descision

[loud spire]

watching my friend play my mod and i see this on their screen 😭

[shut ocean]

peak

[loud spire]

this is now the list of boss blinds currently supported by Exadversum

[tribal cave]

i could maybe give some ideas

[loud spire]

id like to hear them

what's your ideas?

[tribal cave]

this is dumb but could you like list out the incomplete vanilla blinds

i’m on mobile rn so hopping from mobile balatro to discord to check if a blind has been completed or not may be hard

[loud spire]

hook, ox, house, wheel, fish, psychic, water, eye, mouth, needle, mark, amber acorn, verdant leaf, violet vessel, crimson heart, cerulean bell

and of course every cryptid blind except the clock

the ideas I'm having the most trouble coming up with stuff for is the ones that flip cards face fown

[tribal cave]

hook - draw cards up to your maximum hand size before scoring your hand (so, for example, if my hand size is 8 and i play a 5 card flush, i would draw 5 cards before my hand starts scoring. is this feasible to code? …probably not.)

ox - doubles money if the only played hand this blind is your most played hand (there is no cap for how much money this can give; though, maybe there should be?)

[loud spire]

i like that idea so ill make it feasible for hook

ox was actually my exact idea in my head

yeah I'm not capping it

exadversum is exotic, it deserves to be a little broken

the finisher blinds i plan on having extremely wacky effects for

I just don't know yet

[tribal cave]

psychic - if played hand contains exactly 5 cards, the values on those cards are doubled (this is a bit of a reach, but still quite cool of an effect, methinks)

[loud spire]

the effects can be creative!

I like it

I was having trouble with psychic

maybe doubled is too weak though

maybe ^2 or something

[tribal cave]

water - two ideas:

1. permanently gain +1 discard per round when blind selected
2. unlimited discards this blind
   needle - permanently gain +1 hand per round when blind selected

[tribal cave]

that’s an interesting idea

[loud spire]

i think for water and needle im gonna have it to where

discarding gives a discard instead of taking it

and playing a hand gives a hand instead of taking it

[tribal cave]

…unlimited discards/hands

i assume it’s just for that blind?

[loud spire]

Yeah

It might be slightly broken but

[tribal cave]

i like that

[loud spire]

I'll playtest it and balance for when i implement it

[tribal cave]

more interesting than just “infinite discards/hands”

at least visually

[loud spire]

agreed

i actually have a pretty neat idea for verdant leaf

all cards retriggered, permanently double all joker's sell value, add 1 retrigger per joker sold

[tribal cave]

mouth - if only one hand is used to defeat this blind, x1.5 level of played poker hand (this might need to be nerfed)

[loud spire]

oh i love that actually

1.5x is completely fine because universum just gives 2x

[tribal cave]

yea fair

[loud spire]

so it doesn't powerscale that much

[tribal cave]

amber acorn - all jokers are flipped and shuffled, ^2 final score of round (this sucks tbh, but it might be kinda interesting)

actually yea lemme change this 😭

[loud spire]

im pretty sure amber acorn is the only boss blind that can apply it's effect after being replaced with the generic boss blind with exadversum

[tribal cave]

oh god i just had an interesting idea

[loud spire]

so I'll probably have to manually unflip the jokers in the code

or patch acorn to check if exadversum is present and not apply it's effect

[tribal cave]

amber acorn - when a joker is triggered, permanently flip it and exponentiate its values by ^2 (good lord)

[loud spire]

omg

very interesting

[tribal cave]

yea idk

[loud spire]

that seems like it'd really annoy me though

[tribal cave]

yeah, that’s the main issue

i was originally thinking of allowing you to toggle its ability, but, honestly, that’s just not fun

oh cerulean bell is easy

cerulean bell - gain +1 card selection limit for the round when card is selected (to go along with the the theme of the water and the needle)

[loud spire]

yess

definitely

crimson heart will probably create a negative copy of a random joker per hand played

[tribal cave]

yeah

okay i have an idea

what if

[loud spire]

I wanted to come up with a unique effect for violet vessel that isn't just very small blind

[tribal cave]

violet vessel - blind size is 1

[loud spire]

LOL

[tribal cave]

right as you say that

[loud spire]

would be very easy to code

[tribal cave]

very bland

but funny!

yeah

[loud spire]

mhm

[tribal cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274103559113150629/1336183109145596055/no.gif

better effect

hm

[loud spire]

i was thinking maybe it'd be extremely small but also give some sort of benefit pertaining to how much you overkill the blind requirement

maybe it could give some sort of chips/mult/score benefit permanently for the rest of the run

[tribal cave]

violet vessel - x0.5 base, for every double of base scored above blind requirement, -1 ante
(what i mean by “double” is essentially:
i score x0.5 base? nothing special
x1 base: -1 ante
x2 base: -2 ante
x4 base: -3 ante
x8 base: -4 ante
x16 base: -5 ante
this might be too broken)

[loud spire]

oooooo

i actually love this

[tribal cave]

wait what if it was instead ^2

so like

oh wait it starts at 0.5 lmao

well ignoring that and 1

[loud spire]

I'll balance the values when i code it lmao

also

[tribal cave]

it would go
1x: -1 ante
2x: -2 ante
4x: -3 ante
16x: -4 ante
256: -5 ante
…

maybe more balanced but wow the scaling is insane

[loud spire]

for facedown card blinds, what if i made face down cards count as every rank and suit?

[tribal cave]

ok wait i have a really interesting idea for face down blinds

i’ll give an example on the mark, but this effect would basically apply to all of them

[loud spire]

I like this idea though, would be kinda hard to code but I'm up for the challenge

[tribal cave]

the mark - drawn face cards are given a random modification for every one they don’t have

this is really, really hard to phrase (might have to phrase it better later), but, basically, imagine you have a king of spades with a red seal. when you draw it, it gains a random edition and enhancement, but not a random seal because it already has one. if i draw an unmodified queen of diamonds, it gains an edition, enhancement, and seal. if i draw an astral lucky jack with a purple seal, nothing changes on the card

i might be able to help code this

[loud spire]

i see, i will definitely implement this

Help coding it would be cool, when i get around to it I'll notify you

[tribal cave]

btw you don’t have to implement these if you don’t like them

[loud spire]

i know that!

i do like it though

[tribal cave]

yea, i’ve never done coding for a blind before, but i’ve coded a joker for both ascensio and glitch’s backlog that was able to detect modifications on cards, and this probably wouldn’t be too difficult to code after being able to detect the modification

[loud spire]

coding for blinds has a lot of interesting ways to implement things (you can check the exadversum.lua in my mod's files), but for the most part you can just use calculate = function(self, blind, context) and it works just like a joker

[tribal cave]

yea, i see

[loud spire]

for temporary effects though like the manacle you need a set_blind function, a defeat function, and a disable function

that way you don't have modified hand size forever

but yeah, tysm for the ideas!

you've helped a lot

[south iron]

hello?

@loud spire something something. adding your mod causes boom. bbut no otherm od.

i just barely got it from github

unless itwrong?

[loud spire]

try updating cryptid

[south iron]

again? aite.

[loud spire]

make sure to get it from code > download zip

[south iron]

nope

[loud spire]

ill have to look more into it later when i get home, not sure how this is happening

it should work if you have the latest version of cryptid and astronomica

[south iron]

i have a giant modpack lol.

[loud spire]

ah

still I don't think that should impact it much, at least in this specific way

also i love your pfp

[south iron]

thanks <3

[swift hedge]

I hav idea for wheel

1 in [chance] to apply an enhancement, edition and/or seal to drawn card

Mark is complicated
It's plant but drawn face down

Debuffing's counterpart is retrigger

So what would face down be

[loud spire]

probably giving a random modification

or perhaps increasing their values

my original idea was making them count as every rank and suit but idk

[tribal cave]

i was thinking just this effect would go for every one of the flip blinds

so drawn cards have a 1 in 7 chance to be given a random modification for every on they don’t have

[loud spire]

yeahh

[swift hedge]

Wait

Did I just predict what wheel is supposed to be

this would go for every flip blind

[loud spire]

i really need help with ideas for amber acorn though

[swift hedge]

It's a flip blind

So more values it i-

That's one of the hardest, the other is bell

[loud spire]

cerulean bell ive already come up with

increases card selection limit

but amber acorn is hard

[tribal cave]

let me cook

[loud spire]

fixed negative score blackleg bug hopefully

[tribal cave]

(i totally didn’t forget, i’m just cooking that hard)

[loud spire]

LOL

[south iron]

Doubles joker effects?

[loud spire]

maybe

[lean trench]

i just read through like

all of this

holy peak 🔥

[loud spire]

tyyy

[lean trench]

like fr

this is the kinda stuff that makes ME wanna learn coding

and that says a lot because ive tried for literal years and can just never seem to get it off the ground

[tribal cave]

yea

me do good idea 👍 👍 👍 👍

[loud spire]

honestly same

ive tried coding so much

balatro is what finally clicked for me

i only have about a month of coding experience, balatro started it

[lean trench]

nice

maybe i should try sometime too

once a very stupid idea pops into my head

its really weird for me

[loud spire]

i wish you good luck if you do

[lean trench]

like sometimes i get 0 ideas for weeks on end and then a tsunami of ideas just spawns

and i never have the time to act on them before the wave disappears 😦

[loud spire]

yeahh

[lean trench]

and whats even worse

i only have ideas and draw at school

because the moment i get home, my gaming addiction takes over

perseverance will do it i guess

[tribal cave]

you gotta write it down

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZP4vOMlboFstX5HTBy8X2fM-A0TSEn5rsoxzuKr6OgQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

this is my doc of stuff

it’s like

a lot of pages idk how many

write your shit down 🔥

[lean trench]

gimme a sec

i wanna show you smth

so i was bored at school once

and that tsunami came and so i started drawing and came up with these

[tribal cave]

sick

[solar bobcat]

-# dont say it crabus

-# dont say it

[lean trench]

-# dont say what

[solar bobcat]

E.... ent....entro....

gulp

entropy already did this (only the shattered edition tho)

[lean trench]

these are all supposed to be card enhancements AND i couldn't figure out what my shattered would do anyways so it doesnt matter

[solar bobcat]

oh

shattered is a edition anyways

you get to live

[lean trench]

shattered shattered card

i also had an idea for like a 'spiked' card that destroys the cards next to it in the played hand and adds their chips to itself

[solar bobcat]

subsuming card

[loud spire]

Astronomica (art help needed!)

i am desperate 😭

i suck ass at art

[lean trench]

if you got an idea dump i could try to make some coarse concept art that can be pixelized later

[loud spire]

ill organize a real concepting sheet later

i have a few stuff scattered around but it's disorganised

[tribal cave]

yea

if you want, you can take from ascensio’s sheet maybe

it’s like organized kinda well

[loud spire]

mhm

[lean trench]

idk

i cant do digital art by the way, ive tried it a couple times and i suck at it :c

[loud spire]

new editions soon

[loud spire]

abomination

[tall ivy]

Slolly Joker

[shut ocean]

goofy

[loud spire]

im making score variants of all the "If played hand contains a (whatever)" jokers

[shut ocean]

peak

imo lipstick should be purple or something

i had idea

[loud spire]

mhm

it will be

[shut ocean]

what if: yellow lipstick, "if played hand is an ascended X"

[loud spire]

lmao

[shut ocean]

for applicable hands*

[loud spire]

sounds fun

i forgot to color the singular pixel purple

[shut ocean]

m

[loud spire]

we gettin there

[shut ocean]

peak

[tribal cave]

what do these joker add to your score

[loud spire]

havent decided yet

[tribal cave]

i see

[shut ocean]

what if

[loud spire]

itll be more than chips though

[tribal cave]

what if it just added end score

[shut ocean]

the chips bonus plus the mult bonus on top of the default hand value, then divided by 2 for balance (or not)

combined

so pair iirc is 10/2, jolly is 8 and sly is 50

[loud spire]

since the progress of the base jokers go
Joker: 4 Mult
Jester: 40 Chips
Trickster: 400 Score

[shut ocean]

300 score

from the pair one

maybe not the half then

then its 600

[loud spire]

yeahh

[shut ocean]

high card becomes like 25/5 i think

[loud spire]

where exactly are you getting the numbers from

[shut ocean]

memory

[loud spire]

i mean like

what are the inputs

[shut ocean]

default hand values (10/2 for pair), plus the bonus from the +chips and +mult joker (+50 and +8 from sly/jolly)

then put together

[loud spire]

ah

defaul hand value is like

[shut ocean]

it's quite good which is why i originally considered the half

[loud spire]

the base stats right

[shut ocean]

yeah

[loud spire]

alr

yknow what we should have

chips versions of the hand type xmult jokers

[shut ocean]

mayb in your mod

i dont think they'd get into cryptid

[loud spire]

ill def consider it

i like the uhh

i like parity

yknow

everything having its own thing

[shut ocean]

the placeholder, 1x chips if hand contains a high card

[loud spire]

LOL

also this is gonna be the new default sprite for trickster

[shut ocean]

cool

[loud spire]

to have better parity with joker and jester

every score joker (if using the regular joker outline) should have its hat facing left instead of right

at least thats the design language im using myself

[shut ocean]

yeah

[shut ocean]

should lipstick be purple for this too?

[loud spire]

nah

its red on jester

meaning that for the base jokers, theyre all red

[shut ocean]

ic

[tall ivy]

It does vary from joker to joker, but some jokers that give chips do have blue lipstick.

Take blue joker

[shut ocean]

the type chips ones all have blue

and type mult have red

from memory*

[loud spire]

yes

can confirm as ive been staring at them for the past hour

i work very slowly

[shut ocean]

real

[loud spire]

its gonna be fun coming up with names for all these jokers

lmao

[tall ivy]

It's all good. I think Odd Todd and Blue Joker are the only chip giving jokers outside of the type chips to have blue lipstick

[loud spire]

yep

[tall ivy]

As for names, they could play on the fact that they activate after every other joker

[loud spire]

oo true

also

should i take ownership of kidnapping and add type score to it

lmao

[shut ocean]

could lovely patch it in

[loud spire]

can you lovely patch other mods?

[shut ocean]

yeah

[loud spire]

damn

ill do that then

[loud spire]

did i miss any?

[shut ocean]

i don't think so

might want to do ones for tefd/none but they don't have official/approved designs yet

[loud spire]

im gonna wait for tefd and none i think

i am gonna do chips and score versions of the type xmult cards though

theyll have semi placeholder art though

this kinda thing basically

some of them will be really hard to distinguish from the original but i think thats fine since this isnt final

also hear me out chat

exponential type jokers

is that too much?

@shut ocean what is this parameter for, is it for kidnapping?

[shut ocean]

likel

[loud spire]

ah

[shut ocean]

lovely patch into there

[loud spire]

that makes it way easier to lovely patch

[shut ocean]

or just use the boost kidnapping effect

[loud spire]

also

do type xmult cards count as type mult

[shut ocean]

doesnt look like it

checked, doesnt

[loud spire]

alright

i have a feeling context.after is gonna fuck me over again

can this even happen properly

ok yeah this doesnt work

fuck

i need to set up a delay

ok bad news

i set up a delay

(20 is a placeholder)

and

the game refuses to multiply the chips by mult until after the score is added

help?

[shut ocean]

don't use 20 as a delay

[loud spire]

I'm trying to see if i can check if the most recently played poker hand is a pair, rather than the current one

[loud spire]

it doesn't change no matter what delay i use, 20 was only a test to confirm it wasn't doing anything

im just gonna set up a flag

[loud spire]

IT WORKS

this motherfucker was a pain in the ass to code

chat

[shut ocean]

peak

[loud spire]

we got this fucker now too

[shut ocean]

m

[solar bobcat]

Unironically a better joker than the Mult/Chips one

[loud spire]

additive score jokers are much better early game but kinda suck later game

whereas multiplicative score jokers are overpowered the whole way through

[tribal cave]

peak

[dull laurel]

Familiar has 'em, but only for the vanilla hand Jokers.

[loud spire]

i see, I'll still probably make them along with xscore versions if i can get someone to help with art

[dull laurel]

Fair. The Familiar versions change the colors rather than designs of the backgrounds so it might be for the best TBH.

[loud spire]

yeahh

the background designs are the same color as the jokers anyways

so you can't really just change the colors

[dull laurel]

Yeah, I don't think they realized that when they did the designs. Honestly might've been better if they just slapped blue on only the parts that had red like you did with purple (and I think maybe also mirrored the backgrounds?).

[loud spire]

i was considering mirroring the backgrounds yeah

my issue is that if you just change the color of the cards some of them are basically indistinguishable

[dull laurel]

Fair. Maybe since Mult has lightning we could have Score have fire and Chips have ice?

[loud spire]

ooo perhaps

[forest fog]

I just found this earlier and it seems really neat! I love when people make addition mods with just stuff they like or think is cool

[tribal cave]

yea

[loud spire]

mhm!

thanks!

im quite passionate and ambitious

[forest fog]

Yee I can tell

If you still need help with art I'd be more than happy to help too!

[loud spire]

that would be very appreciated, thank you!

[tribal cave]

yeah i think art is one of the biggest limiting factors in modding, at least for me

[forest fog]

Yww, I've been wanting to draw more lately but haven't really had the motivation, something like this could really help with that I think

[tribal cave]

-# https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1363621735894749274

[loud spire]

yeahh

[tribal cave]

-# (i have said this mod will release "tomorrow" when we get more art but uh )

anyway yeah i'm glad this mod is getting more support and stuff

[forest fog]

Wait are you planning to add a yippie joker?

[loud spire]

I haven't really thought about it

but perhaps

[tribal cave]

and i totally didn't forget to work on amber acorn's effect again

[forest fog]

If you need help with art for yours too, I can help with that too!

[tribal cave]

yea

this mod is probably better to work on for now though

[loud spire]

i think the jokers I'm struggling most for art wise is blackleg and the Xchips and Xscore tribe card background designs

blackleg right now is just poorly edited photograph

[forest fog]

Do you have a document for like things that are in progress? I looked through the thread but didn't see one

[loud spire]

my original idea was to have a joker raking in a pile of poker chips but I wasn't able to execute that well

[loud spire]

I'm working on one, I'll probably have it done later today

[forest fog]

Alrighty!

[loud spire]

tysmm

it's really cool that people are actually showing interest in this project

[coral finch]

cryptposting will be massive once it releases trust

[loud spire]

hi chat

it works chat

hell yeah first try

[shut ocean]

hell yeah

[mellow bolt]

hell yeah

[loud spire]

chat

theyre done

[shut ocean]

wao

[loud spire]

really hoping for a tefd type joker in cryptid so i can have an excuse to make a common joker with +score in the e's

[shut ocean]

tefd type is coming

none type is prob about 80-90% coming

[loud spire]

peak

to this day i still dont know how to make an ultimate pair

[shut ocean]

2 flush 2 pair

[loud spire]

i see

update is out now

every type score joker

and also type score added to kidnapping

[loud spire]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZEPi7OfVrizOMeax8v5ryXdky2DX6uYub6ZS_bjSQac/edit?gid=0#gid=0

mods pin this please

[loud spire]

ty

anyone can edit so plz be civil

youre allowed to write directly on it and add your own suggestions

[tall ivy]

Spreedsheet is looking clean!

[loud spire]

ty! i spent a lot of time on it

[dull laurel]

I've made art for 'em if you want a head start on it.

[loud spire]

yes please, i'd like that!

[loud spire]

my god

[shut ocean]

cryptid is doing them already

[dull laurel]

Not sure what color scheme the cards on the Score version would use. On the Mult version it's low contrast but with Mult Red on the Hearts cards and on the Chips version it's high contrast but with Chip Blue on the Clubs cards.

[dull laurel]

Yeah we know. I think they're even using my art for it. We're discussing potential TEFD Score Jokers.

[loud spire]

yeah no idea

ill figure it out though

[dull laurel]

If only there was a-- oh! We could do the Cardsauce suit colors but with Score Purple on the Spades cards!

[loud spire]

!!!

[dull laurel]

How's this look?

I took the color from the stems of the Vineshrooms on the Aces since Score Purple fit in more with those colors than the pale ones on the main pips.

[loud spire]

i like it a lot

it will be added as soon as the type chips and mult tefd jokers are added to cryptid

[dull laurel]

Fair. I hear rumors they might be a fair bit different from traditional Jokers of their tier due to the fact that TEFD scores so high that additive Chips and Mult would do basically nothing.

Found the post I heard of it from.

[loud spire]

yeahh, the formula for the +score values on type score jokers is basically (base hand chips + type chip joker counterpart bonus) * (base hand mult + type mult joker counterpart bonus)

[dull laurel]

So it'd be smth like X208,000,000 Score then?

(If these are the real Joker effects, obviously)

[loud spire]

Wdym

[dull laurel]

Oh wait, forgor the base hand chips and base hand mult. Hold on.

X1.4491203227046505e+87 (stupid calculator and its imprecision)

[loud spire]

Technically + instead of X

Unless tefd is X

[dull laurel]

Yeah. Just going off the premise of those being the Joker effects (though then I guess they'd be multiplied together instead of added since adding 52 million is basically like adding zero).

[loud spire]

Yeah

[dull laurel]

So I was going to send an attempt at drawing flames for the Type XScore Jokers' background, but my computer decided to be a POS and not connect to wifi and I had to restart it and I lost the image in the process. Whatever, my art skills suck anyway.

[loud spire]

ah, damn

Probably not worse than me though

[tall ivy]

Can definitely use more work, but here is an idea for the art of Turron

[loud spire]

yooooooo peak!!!

i love this

[loud spire]

Gonna make an organized system to handle art i think so stuff doesn't get buried

probably tomorrow though

[forest fog]

Turrōn turrōn turrōn turrōn

[loud spire]

oh heya! was it you who asked about the concepting sheet the other day?

because we have one now

in pins

Oh yeah also

in the concepting sheet

Some jokers have multiple rarities listed in attributes

this is just for if you can't decide on a rarity you can put multiple (or none at all!)

[loud spire]

also, may i suggest flipping the E in joker, to reference how ENA is spelled with a flipped E?

[swift hedge]

be me
See doc
Want to add blind
Place only for jokers

[loud spire]

in the attributes dropdowns there are blinds

[swift hedge]

o

Ok so I added a blind that I already have art for

[forest fog]

Yee I saw you put a doc here!

Sorry, I completely passed out after sending that message

[sick scaffold]

WHOAAAAAAA TURRON

[mellow bolt]

turron?

[loud spire]

turrón!!!

[loud spire]

do yall think I should make a server for astronomica or should i keep it in the thread for now until it gains more traction

[solar bobcat]

maybe if we get more people then we could consider a server for it

for now id stick to the thread

[loud spire]

yea that's what i was thinking

[loud spire]

trying to code +values with genie joker and turron

i dont understand this at ALL

how does this work 😭

[loud spire]

chat it works

no fucking way

my ideas for the art is either the genie from Aladdin or Theodora the genie from ENA, probably Aladdin though since he's more recognizable

[loud spire]

sliiiiight issue...

[forest fog]

wait what's up with it there?

[forest fog]

Genie from aladdin would definitely be more recognizable, but I do think theodora would be cooler

[loud spire]

for vanilla Joker's it's adding as intended, but for modded ones it's multiplying

[forest fog]

huh

that's really odd

wait does it work on a copy of itself?

[forest fog]

it could also just be a generic genie/lamp design with jimbo instead

[loud spire]

Yeah, it's mutable, so you can stack them like oil lamp

[forest fog]

ooh cool

[forest fog]

kinda needed to draw sommin so I tried at the stopwatch joker in the doc, any thoughts?

I know the shadow is a lil jank, still trying to get it to look right

[loud spire]

ooo!!!

this is awesome

[forest fog]

tyy

[loud spire]

this is MUCH better than what i had before

my placeholder sprite ive been using is really poorly made

unfortunately a youtuber already showed the placeholder sprite as the focal point of a thumbnail 😭 😭 😭

[forest fog]

that do be how it be sometimess

also what video? I wanna see now

[loud spire]

it's alright though

[loud spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGq9svN_dUk

you can see my other joker, facsimile on the left too lmao

[forest fog]

yee

honestly I kinda like it, it's nice n simple but still pleasant looking

[loud spire]

it bothered me because it was off center, even though that's not something you'd notice unless you looked for it, i MADE the thing so

yeahh

[forest fog]

yeaa

the balatro cards are a weird resolution, being an odd number of pixels wide makes it so a lot of stuff is just off center

[loud spire]

tbh i prefer it being that way a LOT

i just wish it was more consistent

blinds for example have an even amount of pixels

[forest fog]

at least a lot of the stuff uses a similar texture size, pretty sure playing cards, jokers, spectral cards, celestial cards and tarots all have the same resolution

[loud spire]

Yeah

They're visually thinner though

But still 71x95

[forest fog]

yee

[loud spire]

also, speaking of, something serious wrong is with my new spectral card, anomaly

lmao

It's supposed to only appear after ante 8

and be extremely rare

but it is neither of those things

I found 3 in a single spectral earlier today in ante 2

the code is also jank as shit and doesn't work properly which i need to fix

coding consumables where you have to highlight cards is really annoying

[forest fog]

jank code is fun sometimes, up until you get random crashes

[loud spire]

or unfun bugs

[forest fog]

hopefully you can figure it out though

[loud spire]

tyy

[forest fog]

or unfun bugs

[loud spire]

this mod has been an absolute joy to make

it's like I've finally found something I'm semi good at after years of looking for a creative outlet to no avail

I've tried everything, music, art, writing

but was never good at them

but I've had so much fun with this mod so far

It's really liberating to be able to just think of a good idea and actually make it

no having to suggest it to someone else or have it screened or anything

just make what i want

i love it

[forest fog]

yee

balatro has actually been amazing for me as a creative outlet

[loud spire]

this community is so insanely supportive too

[forest fog]

realll

[loud spire]

i can ask completely stupid questions and someone will help me through it without insulting me (like some other fandoms)

[forest fog]

I mostly try and stay away from fandoms because of how toxic a lot of them end up being, but yea the balatro community is incredible

[loud spire]

yeahh

[forest fog]

only reason I got back into programming (which I still suck at) and art (which I'm still not amazing at) was because of balatro, just working on goofy stuff in my free time

[loud spire]

balatro is what got me into coding

i only have about a month experience of coding

though I've tried and tried to code with great effort for years

I was never able to actually begin learning until balatro

and now I'm an overambitious workaholic who sucks at coding but still manages to somehow sleepwalk her way through making a half decent experience

art is a massive bottleneck though

I'm abysmal at it

[forest fog]

in most regards I'm pretty bad at art I'd say, I do a lot better when I've got a lot of restrictions though on what I can do

like a low resolution or limited color palette

[loud spire]

yeah

[forest fog]

so balatro has definitely made me feel comfortable with my art, where I'm doing decent and where I can improve and all

even started practising legit animation lately, never thought I'd do that

[loud spire]

i feel like ive been blazing through coding

[forest fog]

yee I can imagine

if you only started a month ago and you've got a whole modpack in the works that's pretty incredible

[loud spire]

yeahh

i never thought i could actually be good at something like this

lmao

to be fair i get a lot of help

but every question i get answered becomes something i know how to do now

[forest fog]

yee

also I saw the take two joker in the docs, is that name set in stone?

I think it'd be funny to name it something like advantage, (in some dice based games rolling advantage just means you roll twice and take the higher of the two rolls)

[little abyss]

Astronomica reference

[loud spire]

why is it green 😭

[loud spire]

I see, perhaps

[loud spire]

been thinking of a new idea for an exotic joker and ive decided to confirm it, but i want y'all's thoughts

it's called Aeternus, or Sempiternus (i haven't decided on the name yet)

and it basically applies all scoring effects directly to your played hand

for example if you play a flush, and you have a Cavendish, the chips from each played card are applied directly to flush, and the X3 mult is also applied to the hand

(note that this won't work for any +score/xscore jokers)

[tall ivy]

Busted. Simply busted. This has to be an entropic Joker at least.

[loud spire]

lmao

I'll probably put it in the same rarity as factoria then

Which i might need to rename for a second time

and also actually come up with a naming scheme for

since latin and greek are both taken lmao

if anyone has any ideas for the naming scheme that would be awesome

[tall ivy]

I highly doubt that Balatro would support the characters, but it would be funny if Factoria Jokers were all written in ancient Sumerian.

[loud spire]

factoria rn is the only joker in the rarity, the rarity is currently called worldbending, but I'm thinking of changing it to mythic

it was originally called ascendant but i changed it to worldbending

but i don't like that name either

also, that would be very funny

I know aikoshen managed to get Japanese characters ingame

but idk

[terse storm]

change it to Astronomical / Cosmic real

🗣️

[loud spire]

LOL

that's not a bad idea

[terse storm]

Nebulaic rarity when

you could prob do something space themed tbh

[loud spire]

yeahh

what about "celestial"

[terse storm]

celestial is nice

[loud spire]

I'll have to think about the naming scheme though

too bad the romans never conquered space and made their own language there

honestly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proper_names_of_exoplanets

[swift hedge]

Astronomically ascended

[loud spire]

could work

there's some cool names here

just name them after exoplanets

hm idk if i like that though

i wonder if i could use like

Old norse or something idk

[forest fog]

could use elder futhark

it's all phonetically based, so you can transcribe english to furthark very easily just based on pronunciation

also I've got a full set of runes and characters in the Balatro style from a project I was working on awhile back

could probably turn it into a font without too much trouble

[loud spire]

ooo

i like the idea a lot

would be impossible to refer to jokers in conversation though lmao

also

[spring galleon]

Dos questions

1. Would this mod be compatible with Entropy?
2. If so, would this new rarity be above, below or parallel to it?

[forest fog]

could have a plain text translation under it as well as the main name

and since furthark is just phonetically based you don't really have to worry about spelling too much, as long as the pronunciation is listed and all

it's a lil weird, but kinda fun imo

[loud spire]

ohh true

[loud spire]

1: this mod is fully compatible with entropy
2: the new rarity is seperate from entropic, so whether it's better, worse, or equal is somewhat up to the user

though

[spring galleon]

So its kinda parallel?

[loud spire]

seeing as i have very little self control it's likely that there will be a few jokers that directly powerscale entropics

[spring galleon]

powerful

[spring galleon]

if i can, id like to suggest "Stellar"

Or Cosmic

[loud spire]

is there a way to translate anywhere?

[forest fog]

there's a translator ye, lemme find it

https://valhyr.com/pages/rune-converter

[loud spire]

is there a way to convert the runes to plain text too

[forest fog]

I mean back to plain text it would just be whatever you put in for the most part

a few letters would be different but almost all of them have an analogue

[terse storm]

nothing outside of something absolutely insane will powercreep ieros though

[loud spire]

ohhh

[terse storm]

since other than zenith ieros can generate all other jokers (assuming crossmod is done properly)

[loud spire]

perhaps

[terse storm]

so its kinda parallel in the sense that entropics can just give the the higher forms

[loud spire]

ieros is peak

[terse storm]

especially if theres ascendant tag support

exousia is so neglected 💔

i think the main things for crossmod will be an ascendant [rarity] tag and ieros support

[loud spire]

yeah

alrighty @forest fog once the font is finished ill implement it, ty for the idea, its unique and really cool

really excited to implement it

I'll need to figure out how to

add a subtext to the name though

if it works how im hoping it does itll be super easy

if not its gonna be annoying

[loud spire]

yeah i need to do hacky stuff for it

ughhh

[tall ivy]

Here is that flipped E version of Turron

[loud spire]

peak

will be implemented as soon as i figure out why tf additive value manip only works on vanilla jokers

(nobody can help me figure it out 😭)

[tall ivy]

If it helps you feel better, I was also facing issues with gemini's mortal form

[loud spire]

ohh, did you find a solution?

ive brought it up in #other-mods-dev like 3 times and nothing 😭

[tall ivy]

Not yet. Ruby said that they had something working for that, but it caused weird issues for me. Sorry to disappoint.

[loud spire]

ah, its fine

ill bring it up with nova next time i see them

[forest fog]

it could also just be on the texture of the card itself, that'd probably be more easy

[loud spire]

peak

i figured it out

[forest fog]

I know there's at least one mod out there that lets you change the default font Balatro uses though, I could just add the furthark characters to the m6x11 font

oop

nice!

[loud spire]

I'm gonna need to wait for a certain pr to be merged to smods but apart from that it's ready

so i can actually use the font ingame

[forest fog]

font done

[loud spire]

yoooo

alr is this the file i have to use or is there some font file

ive literally never worked with fonts

in my life

[forest fog]

I've got the font file here, one sec

darn I misspelled it again

[loud spire]

tytyty

[forest fog]

found out that runes just kinda exist as a font standard already so it just replaces those

these ones specifically

[loud spire]

ah

[forest fog]

so you might have to do a bit of copy/pasting to have it work

ᚢ ᚦ ᚫ ᚱ ᚲ ᚷ ᚹ ᚺ ᚾ ᛁ ᛃ ᛇ ᛈ ᛉ ᛊ ᛏ ᛒ ᛓ ᛖ ᛗ ᛚ ᛝ ᛞ ᛟ

those are the characters

[loud spire]

alrighty

i definetely broke it

ok im a bit stuck @forest fog

how exactly do i type with it

copying and pasting the letters do not work

[forest fog]

Hmm

[loud spire]

might be something im missing though

[forest fog]

I might have to change the characters to apply to just normal text, might be a bit tho before I can but I'll send you it as soon as I've got it

[loud spire]

Yeah, prob

balatro does NOT seem to enjoy this

i'd need to then figure out how to actually apply that font to the regular text though

and that might be hard

i genuinely do not understand how fonts work

[tribal cave]

yeah no balatro does NOT allow that shit

you need to somehow allow it to use a different font in the name

[forest fog]

m working on that now, when I'm done you should just be able to type the name in english and have it appear in futhark

[loud spire]

well yeah but id also need to figure out how to tell balatro to use the other font

[forest fog]

yeaa

[loud spire]

i can prob just look through aikoshen

since they have a joker that does this

[tribal cave]

yea

[forest fog]

got it working with standard english alphabet

[loud spire]

good to have

not entirely sure if its necessary though

[forest fog]

probably not, but it'll make stuff more simple

plus I can use it for my own stuff if I want later

[loud spire]

this is how aiko's joker does it

and im trying to replicate it for mine

this doesnt seem to work though

[tribal cave]

balatro font might natively support japanese

might

[forest fog]

the m6x11 font doesn't, but Balatro probably has a fallback font for characters that aren't in that font

so that's probably what its doing, and why the font looks different

there is a mod that lets you change the font globally though, mebbe you can find something useful in that

[loud spire]

doubtful

here's how it looks ingame

broken info queue

no title

[tribal cave]

balatro does not have a fallback

[forest fog]

huh, weird

[loud spire]

im asking aiko directly

[tribal cave]

i know this personally because i used to have a joker with the pi symbol in it, and it just didn’t show up