Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[silent mirage]

yapper

[tribal moth]

Ok I had an idea regarding cardanim and stuff abt it that's been bothering me for a while

I'm gonna rewrite the file so that it only targets cards implemented by the mod that it's inside

and I'll put the file on a repository where I'll put other files that are similar in that they can just be dropped into a mod's source code for functionality (since they are too simple to warrant entire mods - and thus dependencies - for them)

I recently developed JTML (alternate UI syntax that "compiles" to UIBox definitions) and I wanted to share it, and I figured that this "microdependency" thing could be a perfect way to develop cardanim

[safe sapphire]

Cool!

Doubled the stats of Accomplice. Might lower it back down for modest depending on what people think.

[silent mirage]

yeah we are developing a html renderer in balatro next year trust /j

[tribal moth]

im not saying im doing a ui overhaul 💔

im just writing something to make UI stuff more tolerable from a coding perspective

[silent mirage]

me giving myself a lobotomy

im in a feature creep hole rn

[dense escarp]

Maybe the -$3 downside only appears outside of Madness.

[opal hazel]

Sorry but I strongly disagree (tho maybe it could be -$1), even if the sell value was reduced to 0, Circuitus would just massively outclass Speculo since you can exclusively duplicate the jokers you want while keeping their editions intact (including Circuitus!). Ironically it's still kinda overpowered with just a bit of stable econ or even better, gift card. Uh yeah idk that's what I think

It just puts some sort of limit in place

[river fjord]

maybe the copies halve your money when sold

[agile flint]

15 min sketch on phone for probably the idea I'm gonna pitch for the hand flat mult x joker

[worn kindle]

tht looks fucken awesome

[silent mirage]

aight ill return to ascensio cuz i got the damn crap out xd

[worn kindle]

just thought of an idea for business card x name: lucrum (~profits, income, etc.)

[dense escarp]

Now, as for Holos Scriptum (Hologram X), perhaps the card retrigger could be an immutable one on Modest, but instead go up by 1 per Boss defeated on Mainline and 1 per blind defeated/tag earned on Madness.

[safe sapphire]

Currently working on sinful reworks

[safe sapphire]

I tried to get it to update the ^mult when it destroys a card, but the way I was doing it makes the destruction happen after the ^mult is calculated. Need to figure out another way to do it. This iteration would still work however.

[grizzled tiger]

yooo

[agile flint]

Wip for Jolly Joker X (I planned to use unique bg pattern for this one than other hand flat mult joker, because well, )

Also realized I use wrong color because my colorblind crippling me always

[river fjord]

oh DAMN

i dont rlly see how it fits into the whole demonic theme of the type mults tho

[agile flint]

sort of like this

[river fjord]

ohhh ok

[agile flint]

There could be more to add, but my mind kinda stalled to think to add more to this

though I planned to make the eye color flipped for other flat mult one, jolly joker x kinda an exception I want to make just because its history here

I prolly only have jolly joker x for now, other one I'll do later

[safe sapphire]

That's interesting. At first I was oppose to the swapping of wings, but I like the kind of Ying-Yang thing we have going on here. In good there is evil and in evil there is good. It defiantly makes the designs more interesting than what I was originally thinking.

[silent mirage]

i am going crazy

[agile flint]

tbf, if we want to I could change entirety of the wing to make each more readable "good-evil" because I use only few layer for the mid layer for either chip and mult so it shouldn't take that long to make a design swap, but yes, the slight off track of the flat chip one made me thought to experiment this mix to the flat mult too

[silent mirage]

hmm... what if those jokers were... fraudulent?

[agile flint]

that is one point I made when trying to leverage those design that they are a "joke" or a "fraud" because they have both good and bad so they aren't really "that" powerful (though I mean they are still exotic)

[safe sapphire]

Having trouble with Lusty Joker's second effect. For those not aware, it's, "Played hearts have a chance to retrigger adjacent hearts.". I have been trying to figure out how to do it, but even when looking at similar examples like entropy's crimson seals and Paperback's bandaged cards, I am still having trouble. Will move on to another sin for the moment, but if anyone has a clue how to do this, let me know.

[indigo helm]

how about Bunco's Copper card?

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for pointing that out. I think the kite Joker could be of help here.

[nocturne ridge]

if context.repetition and (context.cardarea == G.play or context.cardarea == 'unscored') then
    local hearts = {}
    local my_pos
    for i, v in ipairs(context.full_hand) do
        if v == context.other_card then
            my_pos = i
        end
        if v:is_suit('Hearts') then
            hearts[i] = v
        end
    end
    if table.contains(hearts, context.other_card) and (hearts[my_pos+1] or hearts[my_pos-1]) and SMODS.pseudorandom_probability(...) then
        return {repetitions = (hearts[my_pos+1] and 1 or 0) + (hearts[my_pos-1] and 1 or 0)}
    end
end
```?

[safe sapphire]

Thanks! This is roughly what I was aiming for. Apperciate it Seals.

[nocturne ridge]

You have to define table.contains if you haven't already.

[safe sapphire]

That makes sense

[bold thistle]

-# Jimball should be a Hyperbolic sphere.

[silent mirage]

Hologram Ascended - Nebulosa Imago

Whenever a card is scored, create 1 duplicate of it and add them to deck, then destroy it.
Whenever a card is added to deck or destroyed, gains ^0.05 mult.

[silent mirage]

fuck why does the little shit keep getting stack overflow

im changing the effect temporarily

god it finally works

@safe sapphire (i used a few tropical smoothie there so the numbers are a bit crazy)

(for now it basically only create polychrome steel king)

[silent mirage]

Forgot to update the localization file when I move the mod over

[silent mirage]

But yeah I'd have to invent a new way to serialize playing cards

[silent mirage]

Trifold

[silent mirage]

great, trying to reimplement it and i got another stack overflow

[safe sapphire]

Interesting! Nice work!

[silent mirage]

Okay this is not working for me man

For some reason the game keep fucking itself

Tried a bazillion methods

The data either doesn't update or completely break balatro

[agile flint]

I kinda want to do hologram, but at the same time I dont really want to because I kinda intend it to be animated (like the og)

[silent mirage]

Oh the original isn't exactly animated iirc

It's shaded

[agile flint]

Wait huh? Did I remember ther wrong one?

[silent mirage]

I mean it looks like it's animated but apparently it uses a custom shader

[agile flint]

Hmm, I wonder if that custom shader executed in game or it is pre-rendered footage strap on a joker card base, since I saw wiki have it have animated with 120 frames on it

[safe sapphire]

I'm curious to see what you have tried. At least on the surface, the first effect seems simple. Just record each card scored as "card" or something when scored, and make a new one of what ever "card" ends up being.

[silent mirage]

Yeah I think it's because my condition isn't good I guess?

https://github.com/Rhelvetican/Ascensio-Fmt

Tried fixing it a bit back but haven't pushed the changes

At least in that state the effect works and it creates the card

But...

Well when I try fixing it it gets into a freakshow

Hold on I'll try pushing the changes

Pushed

[safe sapphire]

Thanks. Might take a look at it later here.

[silent mirage]

For now I am going to bed to type on my phone

[safe sapphire]

Sounds good.

[silent mirage]

j_asc_hologram = {
                name = "Nebulosa Imago",
                text = {
                    {
                        "At the start of turn, create {C:attention}#1#{} card",
                        "with the same {C:attention}rank{}, {C:attention}edition{}, {C:attention}enhancement{} and {C:attention}seal{}",
                        "{C:inactive}(Maximum{} {C:attention}40{} {C:inactive}card created at once){}",
                    },
                    {
                        "Whenever a {C:attention}card{} is",
                        "{C:attention}added to deck{} or {C:attention}destroyed{}",
                        "gains {X:dark_edition,C:white}^#2#{} Mult",
                        "{C:inactive}(Currently{} {X:dark_edition,C:white}^#3#{} {C:inactive}Mult){}",
                    },
                },
            }

Oh yeah I have to append some text to clarify that the card being copied is the last scoring card

[river fjord]

id like to start on the calamities soon but we need some sort of motif for em

[silent mirage]

There's no turning back
Tonight we will rise
The fire that is within, it never dies
A change in the tide
You can't run you can't hide

[river fjord]

shouldve expected that

[silent mirage]

Here have some hot chocolate bro cuz ur cool

[river fjord]

yummers

[silent mirage]

Watch the video for some music to go along

My new favorite

It's too bad the full version is coming in 2 days

(which is not now)

[river fjord]

peak

[silent mirage]

The visuals are peak too

[river fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[silent mirage]

Time to make satellite joker

[river fjord]

have fun ig

[silent mirage]

Jk the hologram Ascended is fucking me in the ass 🥀🥀🥀

[safe sapphire]

I suggested chains previously. You got any other ideas for them?

[river fjord]

that could definitely work

[silent mirage]

Bouquet

[river sluice]

Ascensio apparently does not work with the newest version of cryptid. I downloaded from the most recent release for cryptid and I downloaded directly from code in ascensio

here have a crash log I'm not sure about anything (I hovered over a single mod in the mods menu)

I attempted to change the dependencies thing so thats why it says 0.5.11 there but it said 0.5.10

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for reporting this. Will try to get a fix out soon.

[river sluice]

okay I might be a moron I thought I had cryptid in there

so disregard when there's nothing actually wrong

[silent mirage]

Mm

[silent mirage]

Xekundas

[silent mirage]

@safe sapphire I FIXED THE FUCKING HOLOGRAM

[agile flint]

Crashed my attempt on doing Holo X rendition, now I supposed to remake it all over again huh, fml

[silent mirage]

oh man i feel u bro

it cooked me too

finally "fixed" the crashing problem

[agile flint]

I would probably still calm if sh8 is not animated

[silent mirage]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOTPAVg8oto||
also try this video i calmed down

well the major problem is solved(?)

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/29

[agile flint]

Hologram X rendition, good god the application can't handle amount of frame meanwhile it handle my rendition of Demicolon X back then just fine smh

[river fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-its-peak-omni-man-peak-gif-13128163821234406100

[silent mirage]

I'm sobbing man ur so goated

[river fjord]

heres what ive got for exotic joker in yellow, i went for the chain motif as suggested (i couldnt rlly think of anything else) and it works rlly well

i might add some more to the top layer but for now i think this is good

[silent mirage]

how do i add animations to jerker again?

uhh this sucks

nvm

[silent mirage]

i want to fucking lobotomize myself

good

[blissful finch]

The yorick X should relate to 23 as yorick from hamlet died at 23 which is why the legendary is called yorick and gains Xmult every 23 cards discarded from what I know

[agile flint]

Ok, I finished the flat hand mult set other than Jolly which I alr did back then, Here's for Zany X

Mad X

Crazy X

And lastly, Droll X

[silent mirage]

idk why but those wings reminds of ultrakill

[agile flint]

who? gabriel's?

[silent mirage]

yeah, a bit of providence/virtue

too

[agile flint]

ngl I only know gabriel there and that also because the guy getting memed a lot

[silent mirage]

its because his va is funny as fuck

[agile flint]

that also true

gianni the goat

[thin heron]

gains x23 mult for every discarded card /j

[silent mirage]

hakiter is also based

also new chainsaw man chapter is crazy

[main epoch]

Random idea I had for the exotic version of Chad (retriggers leftmost joker 2 times) and thought I might put it here

Placeholder name
Creates a copy of leftmost joker multiples copys values by 5x(when possible) then triggers it 2 times (blueprint copyable)

[silent mirage]

isnt this just a copy of some joker effect

kinda hodgepodge

[main epoch]

Yea I was trying to stick with the chads original effect, maybe a bit too much

[grizzled tiger]

exotic chad needs to be named latin for Man Face

[silent mirage]

Oh yeah it's effect should be +1 jonklers slot (not joker slot) at the end of shop and retrigger leftmost and rightmost jokers for every empty jonklers slot

[agile flint]

This probably last for today, rendition for Vagabond X, I'm just feeling drawing a Ronin since it is basically a Vagabond but japan

[silent mirage]

Ato vibe

I'd love to name it a Japanese styled name

[agile flint]

I would love it too, but two japanese themed joker before this still have latin name so that one prolly still have to

[silent mirage]

Just name it Ronin

[agile flint]

Bruv

[silent mirage]

But Battleplan Arclight is really refreshing

Idk why but I feel like drinking lemonade

Whenever I hear it

[agile flint]

lemonade is indeed refreshing though every single time

[safe sapphire]

Amazing work! Thanks for your efforts, Omega and Tattered! Great stuff!

[agile flint]

anytime

[silent mirage]

vagus laceratus - tattered wanderer
Whenever you play a hand with 1024$ or less, create a random negative consumable. Substantially increased the chance for rare consumables to appear

[silent mirage]

Oh yeah apparently Nebulosa Imago may create random cards sometimes

Idk why

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/29

Merge please

I should think of making some mortal version of jokers

[silent mirage]

@safe sapphire I'm thinking of adding an epithet to all exotic ascensio jokers (like those empyrean jokers)

What do you think

[safe sapphire]

Is this a generic higher tier, or is it for another mod?

[river fjord]

i have an idea for another way to obtain exotics

basically theres a low chance there's an alternate boss blind called an ascended blind that exists as another route you can take

its much harder and more punishing and rewards you with an exotic when defeated

each blind would have its own pool of exotics

[grizzled tiger]

Linea Maxillae Fulgens - "Shining Jawline"
^ name suggestion for chad X

the art should be obvious

• Force-trigger up to 3 leftward Jokers twice per time the rightmost Joker triggers

or would that be stepping on Demicolon X

[safe sapphire]

The idea of alt paths is interesting. Total wishful thinking here, but it would be neat if we could have a choice of multiple "paths" after each boss blind, each having their own multiplier on ante size with some additional cost/benefit. Example: One path consists of 4 blinds at x0.75 blind size, but they all give no income. Another consists of only two blinds at x1.5 ante size, but gives a free rare joker tag. In that vain, we could have one that functions like Flesh Panopticon with some ridiculous x-blind requirement but a free exotic as a reward.

[safe sapphire]

More Jokers should use that mechanic. I think there might be enough of a distiction it could work.

[grizzled tiger]

speaking of whom, do we have a Flesh Panopticon X yet

[coarse blade]

not really no

[safe sapphire]

Not made, but we do have an effect from Riley:
"X50 Boss Blind size, double modifier per boss blind defeated, When entering boss blind, ascend a random viable joker, if no viable jokers are present, create a Gateway"

[grizzled tiger]

if we don't:
hmm

i have a much better idea

Exspecta Mundi (Wait [of] the World)

• X40 Boss Blind size, ascend and duplicate every Joker in possession after Boss Blind, then self-destructs

[silent mirage]

No? It's like a small subtext below the jokers name explaining what does it mean

[silent mirage]

Why not make it ^10 (extra challenge)

[silent mirage]

Tbh I think it should just be 2 words long

[grizzled tiger]

nothing says there cant be 3

[silent mirage]

Aesthetic

[grizzled tiger]

a fair few names already have it

:|

[safe sapphire]

One issue I have with this is that it will just kill you if you get it from a gateway.

[grizzled tiger]

fair

what about an activated ability

or idk

[safe sapphire]

That could work.

[silent mirage]

vir hominis

Man of man

[river fjord]

my idea is
x1.5^(ante) Blind Size
Creates 1 Exotic Joker when sold or destroyed, fixed 20% chance to increase amount by 1 after defeating a Boss Blind (must have room)

[silent mirage]

Found a trousers

[silent mirage]

Also do you draw with a mouse

[river fjord]

ye

[silent mirage]

Figured, your arts are a bit more "unrefined"

[river fjord]

yea ngl

[river fjord]

if we could have something like this, i have a few ascended blind ideas

i think they'd be ^base instead of xbase too

[tribal moth]

I feel like the name should be a translation of "Weight of the World" instead of "Wait [of] the World" to tie more closely to mythological references (specifically Atlas and Sisyphus - even tho they're both Greek not Latin :V)

[safe sapphire]

Made some minor changes to the hologram exotic. Will upload it once I finish the remaining sinful Jokers.

[silent mirage]

OmegaAscension

[silent mirage]

Decrementia

[safe sapphire]

Noticed a potential problem with Thanatos. For some reason, I don't think it's functioning at the moment. Trying to make a fix for this. Also, will soon commit what I have to GitHub. Wanted to upload all the sinfuls at once, but I don't want to get too separated from the GitHub build.

[safe sapphire]

Also, I'm updating the mod description. I think in the future it should be a separate tab with more details on what each person has done, but this should work for now. What colors do you want your names to have?

[peak escarp]

Lavender!

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha. Gotta specific hex in mind?

[peak escarp]

Any! I'll try and find the one that i use in the entropy server...

[safe sapphire]

Coolio

[peak escarp]

Try #cc99ff.

[nocturne ridge]

?

[safe sapphire]

Yes, something like that. Trying to find the easiest way to define a colour.

[nocturne ridge]

No, I'm wondering why I'm being referred to as Seals on Every in the credits.

[safe sapphire]

Where?

[nocturne ridge]

In Lusty Jokers exotic.

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, should I go with Somethingcom515 then?

[nocturne ridge]

Yes.

[safe sapphire]

OK

Fixed. Apologies for that.

@nocturne ridge You have a desired HEX for your credit?

[nocturne ridge]

#E8463D

[coarse blade]

dibs on #51c1ffff

[safe sapphire]

Just need Tattered and Omega's colors

[coarse blade]

yayyy

thanks man

[safe sapphire]

Also, we finally reached 60 vanilla and cryptid ascensions/mortals!

[coarse blade]

wasn't expecting my brainstorm sheet to be so helpful lol

[silent mirage]

Oh yeah my favorite color is turquoise

Or mint cream

Because I love chocolate mint ice cream

Let me get the hex

#f5fffa

[agile flint]

Just make mine bright blue, doesnt need to be exact hexadecimals since I am colorblind anyway

[silent mirage]

Then a slightly desaturated one

Looks nicer than just harsh blue

[safe sapphire]

I probably did this in an unnecessarily complex way using just the loc file, but I think its looking pretty nice!

[silent mirage]

Indeed, really nice g

[silent mirage]

Though I'd appreciate it if you rename me OmegaLife there

The O and L are capitalized

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha

Final screen for now:

[safe sapphire]

Definitely gonna expand this by first relase to get other notable names like oinite and hex on there.

[silent mirage]

uh, new crash

[silent mirage]

gG

[safe sapphire]

Tried downloading the current GitHub build and didnt get it. Can you show the crash screen?

[silent mirage]

Oh yeah turned out entropy started to use smods v0808a

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha

Fixed DNA and Canio

[silent mirage]

Caino

[safe sapphire]

Not according to the files

Also made wrathful use SMODS destroy card context so caino can benefit

[silent mirage]

Time to work on ideas

[grizzled tiger]

WRATHFUL? is this an... ULTRAKILL REFERENCE???? 🤯

[silent mirage]

MORE ULTRAKILL JONKLERS WHEN

[grizzled tiger]

not in main cryptid

i did the violence ones purely because of 7s

[silent mirage]

But what if fraud

[grizzled tiger]

8s have something

7s did not

[silent mirage]

😭

Cnuuy

[grizzled tiger]

literally its only because of 7s

[silent mirage]

What about 6es

Iirc there's only 6th sense

Which arguably suck ass

[grizzled tiger]

its still something

[silent mirage]

Oh well, time to invent more jonklers

[grizzled tiger]

id rather you not

[silent mirage]

Heresy only has 2 levels

[grizzled tiger]

they were a one-off and im not doing more

[silent mirage]

Fine

It's not like we can't just use an extension mod

[grizzled tiger]

yeah exactly

i think theres actually already one

[silent mirage]

hiker 2 - iter sanctum

All cards scored permanently gains X2 chips. When the effect reached X100 chips, reset the effect and change to gain ^0.1 chips instead.

Copied Asgard

[safe sapphire]

Oh Hexa, what Hex color is your favorite?

[grizzled tiger]

i know my sona's fur color's exact hex code by heart: #52c5ff

[safe sapphire]

Coolio

[safe sapphire]

@tribal moth What's your favorite HEX color?

[tribal moth]

#333333

[safe sapphire]

Any chance you could choose a lighter shade?

[wintry owl]

out of curiosity, what are the hex colors going to be used for?

[grizzled tiger]

credits

[safe sapphire]

Current Description:

[grizzled tiger]

there is no e

my current server nickname is just a leftover from none

[safe sapphire]

Ok

[tribal moth]

let's change it to #dc143c then

also how did you format the text like that?

[safe sapphire]

What aspect?

[tribal moth]

The two-column list

[safe sapphire]

Through nightmares

[tribal moth]

i was gonna say "please dont say you added spaces between the text" sobbing rn

and i say that bc thats what i would have done too and i was wondering if there was any other way 😭

[safe sapphire]

It's bad practice, but the window stays constant even when resized so it doesnt really matter.

[tribal moth]

i suppose, yeah

[safe sapphire]

Figured out how to properly set up the config. It even tells you what the setting actually does! Crazy!

Can probably use this to properly do the credits

[safe sapphire]

Will make it more expandable once we get more configs, but for now I think this is a func config menu

[silent mirage]

hmmmm

i think new smods is kinda weird now

i dont see exponential and tetration and crap working anymore

[safe sapphire]

Are you one the newest smods you mentioned?

[silent mirage]

yeah using it rn

Debug Deck

[agile flint]

A bit simpler one (not really) rendition for Chad X, idea courtesy of Hexa

[peak escarp]

Reminds me of that one trailer...

[agile flint]

which one I wonder

[peak escarp]

It's a mystery......................
-# (In all seriousness, it's the one where he deep throats a banana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b_IQsAdABU)

[agile flint]

ah

that one, yeah it does looks similar

though mine have better death stare /j

[silent mirage]

this reminds me of dr house

[agile flint]

I don't really know who/what that is because I'm not really well versed into various medias

[silent mirage]

House MD

basically a medical drama center around a doctor named Gregory House

uu just got Risk 645 on CCB3 yesterday

[agile flint]

Wait, I probably heard of that now you describe it, though it still hazy in my head

[silent mirage]

Aye bros emult and shit fixed

[silent mirage]

odd, why does galdur lags like the bajeevil

[silent mirage]

<'a>

[silent mirage]

ok so it's effect is
retrigger all jokers once for each empty joker slot (excluding itself). Cannot be force triggered.
+1 Joker slot at the end of shop.

[grizzled tiger]

fucking incredible

[safe sapphire]

Nice work as always!

[silent mirage]

Or avatar card

[river sluice]

tbh there are other places to do that

[safe sapphire]

I was gonna say that would probably be better as a separate mod. If it is, it could then get cross mod support

[river sluice]

there's probably https://discord.com/channels/1264429948970733782/1388263825198944458 but idk how the progress is going on it cuz I hardly keep up with it

I just know it's got a lot of suggestions through OCs and whatnot but idk

[safe sapphire]

Thats a neat mod.

[safe sapphire]

Actually speaking of that, I have seen a couple of attempts to turn people into jokers, but has there been one turning people into consumables?

[river sluice]

don't think so

[silent mirage]

:shrugs:

I guess we are strictly joker only then

Except for the consumables concepts earlier

[safe sapphire]

The last thing I want to do is succumb to feature creep. The project is already majorly ambitious as it is. Once we get the jokers and new consumables finished, then we can consider possible additions.

The only real exception to this is if a Joker's effect would require the creation of something to make it work.

[safe sapphire]

I think this is the extra effect I will go with for Avarus.

I also decided I want to try to make those second effects pair well with their respective stones. Wrathful works as it makes it easier to use arrowhead, and lusty works as it gives bloodstone more opportunities to activate.

[safe sapphire]

I am thinking for gluttonous that remaining clubs in hand are also added to the scoring hand, but I am having trouble figuring out how to do that.

Might just go with the all clubs held in hand also get ^1.2 mult

[safe sapphire]

Thanks Somethingcom515 for help with the second effect

Nothing more gluttonous than not being satisfied with what's presented to them

[nocturne ridge]

Why does Sock and Buskins exotic loop over the scored hand to check if the card is in the scoring hand?

context.cardarea == G.play is only true when the card is played and scoring.

[safe sapphire]

I think that was a leftover from when both effects were tried to fit in the same context

[safe sapphire]

Gonna push Gula's changes but I fear it might still be a bit weak. Let me know what you think

[silent mirage]

Fatebreak

@safe sapphire you made a typo: It's Cardiac Arrest not Cardiac Arest

[silent mirage]

reclamation algorithm

[silent mirage]

jonkling

im making the pr

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/30

[silent mirage]

Spectral Soul

[silent mirage]

Religner

[silent mirage]

i am fucking insane

@safe sapphire hi can we review chad

[safe sapphire]

Yes, I pulled it. Making minor changes to make it more consistant with other jokers

[silent mirage]

*consistent but thanks

Hope ur having a wonderful day today

(I'm going to bed in maybe a while later)

[safe sapphire]

The changes in question:

[silent mirage]

You crazy sonnovabitch I'm in.

[grizzled tiger]

does it start at 2 initially

[safe sapphire]

That's the default value, but quickly changes to the number of empty slots

[grizzled tiger]

i think it should start at 2 initially

2 + number of empty slots

[safe sapphire]

You are probably right about that. Will do.

[silent mirage]

So

Twice and once per empty jonklers slot

[safe sapphire]

Right

[silent mirage]

My phone autocorrect joker to jonkler

Also we need entropic chad

Alfa Arseniko
Retrigger all jokers 5 times. Decrease by 1 for every joker sold. Increase by 1 for every joker bought.

Is it too broken

[safe sapphire]

Not really, especially since it is limited to slots, unlike the exotic

[silent mirage]

Hmmm, might as well make something about it

[honest stirrup]

ehehe

i open up the channel to see what its looking like rn and just get jumpscared by gigachad bro

[wintry owl]

oh my god this joker is GOLD

[safe sapphire]

This card might be a bit too strong. Might need to brainstorm some way to nerf it

[silent mirage]

How about this:
Every retrigger halves the joker slot gain

[river fjord]

make the joker slot gain be once per ante maybe

[silent mirage]

Actually I should make ridiculous jokers that ^2 joker slots

[river fjord]

i had some ideas for exotics which give x joker slots

exponential joker slots would go nuts

[silent mirage]

Hyper operator jonklers slot

[river fjord]

operator scaler joker slots

[silent mirage]

Beaf scaling jonklers slot

[river fjord]

uh oh

this feels like something that wouldve been in polterworx

i know there was a joker that just gave +1e300 joker slots flat

[silent mirage]

X jonklers slot is too broken for exotic btw

[silent mirage]

Jen's almanac

Iirc

[river fjord]

yea lemme get it

[silent mirage]

There was this king of regicide or something

[river fjord]

its +1e100 but still

[silent mirage]

Polychrome

Speaking of which...
I gotta start making ascension of edition jokers

Expect slop tomorrow

[river fjord]

i have some effect and name ideas:

Meteor Shower: Ardenti Caelo (Burning Sky)

Other Foil cards give ^1.25 Chips
Retrigger all Foil cards
Apply Foil to all cards scored on first hand of round

Exoplanet: Desolata Planeta (Desolate Planet)

Other Holographic cards give ^1.4 Mult
Create a Holographic copy of the first 3 discarded cards each round
Increases by ^0.02 Mult for every other Holographic card owned

Stardust: Galaxia Pulvis (Galactic Dust)

Other Polychrome cards give ^1.3 Mult
Turn a random card held in hand Polychrome before scoring
1 in 3 chance for Polychrome cards held in hand to apply Polychrome to adjacent base-edition cards

Universe: Cosmicam Telam (Cosmic Web)

Other Astral cards give ^1.8 Mult
Retrigger the first Astral card scored this round 3 times
Add a random Astral card to deck when blind is selected

oops

posted too early

there we go

might as well do the entropy ones too

Garden of Eden: Lignum Scientiae (Tree of Knowledge)

Other Sunny cards give ^1.1 Ascension Power
Increase this amount by ^0.2 for every held Joker that boosts Ascension Power
Playing an Ascended Hand turns the first scored card Sunny

Solar Flare: Sidus Fudore (Star Fury)

Other Solar cards give ^1.6 Ascension Power
If first hand of round contains 1 card, destroy it and add 2 Solar cards to deck

oops

too early AGAIN

[tacit comet]

Trigger the first played card for every card in your deck

[safe sapphire]

Attempt at a duplicare mortal form.

Maybe we will call him "Dubious Duane" or something

[safe sapphire]

Arrows are a bit weird

[safe sapphire]

Art could use some more work, but the code is finished.

[tacit comet]

what's different between scored and triggered

scored is just add chips mult xmult or ^mult ?

[hearty adder]

frankly absurd amount of +mult

even by cryptid standards

gaining +20 mult PER HAND is ridiculous

assuming all your jokers are scoring

[tacit comet]

I mean ... that's a rare

and it's just +mult

[hearty adder]

the only other +mult joker that scales close to this is weebonacci, which needs you to draw the right cards for +3 mult each

this thing just scales guaranteed on every hand

[safe sapphire]

So it should be changed to +2?

[hearty adder]

that would probably be more fair

[safe sapphire]

Pushed to GitHub

Also, for those who have completed code for Jokers currently not on the GitHub, please let me know what you have. Would like to know since some of the sheet has been marked as complete but I haven't seen the code. I especially want to know for the type mults and chips as the completion of them could help push us over the desired threshold.

Refrencing this btw since it wasn't pinned

[silent mirage]

A bit too broken, +2 would be more balanced

[silent mirage]

Oh

Should we have a placeholder atlas

[safe sapphire]

I'll compromise and add a comical red "PLACEHOLDER" stamp on it

[silent mirage]

Deal 🤝

Just pull the placeholder in the vanilla atlas

(actually I have a funny idea)

[silent mirage]

Stylua

[agile flint]

I could probably do smth with the art later, might stray much from original of both that one and duplicare, but I kinda want to do some experiment

[safe sapphire]

Sure, if you want! No pressure either way

[silent mirage]

Tattered

[silent mirage]

EctoEmpyrean

[nocturne ridge]

I have added Jolly Jokers exotic and Zany Jokers exotic to my fork.

[silent mirage]

add your github to your profile pls

[nocturne ridge]

Done.

[silent mirage]

John Cruelty

hmm

Sync Catalyst -> Fusio Nuclearis
When round starts, balance hands with this Joker's ^chip and discard with this Joker's ^mult. Balance chip and mult.

[silent mirage]

my brain is on fire rn

[agile flint]

Might just use tokamak for the art of this

[silent mirage]

(my balatro mods directory is screwed 😭 )

so im doing this instead

[agile flint]

this thing I mean, idk why I even know abt this thing, tbh I thought abt particle accelerator for sync catalyst, but this probably fit better

[silent mirage]

yeah i know what a tokamak is

[silent mirage]

my visualization
basically a donut-like reactor with a crack that leaks glowy plasma

[agile flint]

glowy plasma, now thats an idea, might animate that part

[agile flint]

My rendition for mortal duplicare, it looks dubious, which probably fitting for the proposed name

might do other thing tomorrow since my hand prolly gonna be full for a bit

[silent mirage]

(ngl if you made the joker itself float its better than the actual duplicare)

but i recommend to make the joker text overlaid over the image

[agile flint]

Its done, ngl I was abt to make experimental joker text for it, but it doesnt looks good I scrapped it

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/31

[safe sapphire]

This is definitely awesome. Kinda makes me wish Duplicare also looks like this.

[silent mirage]

Saem

[silent mirage]

mariofan can you send me your mods (specifically your current cryptid, entropy, astronomica, talisman etc)
accidentally fucked up my entire mods dir

now everything in disarray lol

(we really need a lockfile)

[safe sapphire]

Yeah, I'll dm you

[wintry owl]

may we get more crossmod shenanigans if thats ok

[safe sapphire]

Fully want to do that. Apologies, I have been aiming for the threshold mentioned. Maybe today would be a good time to do some of those.

[opal hazel]

As the guy who submitted the proposed name, this is peak

[safe sapphire]

I'm gonna wait on more entropy cross-mod till the next SMODS release, as it will introduce a new function that will allow the use of entropy in Joker effects.

[silent mirage]

God I can't wait for smods to update so I can use crazy context

[zinc lodge]

this feels like it would be a rare even if it was +1

[safe sapphire]

I should have been clearer with what I said. I meant for those Jokers with entropy-based effects. Other Jokers without those can still be made of course. For example:

You might be able to guess what this is for: Chuckle Soda
The design reads as a clear homage to Chuckola Soda from the Mario and Luigi games. It makes sense then that the exotic would be the Chuckolator boss. The design was altered to match the color scheme of the Chuckle soda as well as to imitade the bottle it was in as opposed to the barrel the Chuckola reserve was in.

Still need to see how it looks in-game. Might need some alterations.

[potent anchor]

How updated is this on github

[safe sapphire]

What do you mean?

[safe sapphire]

I think the art could use a hint more contrast

[safe sapphire]

Pushing to GitHub, this will be the final form for now

This was after it was used a bit of course

[safe sapphire]

Also, for fun, I tried to edit Tattered "Dubious Duane" as Duplicare to see what it would look like.

[silent mirage]

It looks... Weird, tbh

[safe sapphire]

Too much?

[silent mirage]

A bit, yeah

[safe sapphire]

The design would probably require a new background to match

[safe sapphire]

I'll stop messing around, but this might be a bit better.

[agile flint]

that looks nice actually, I love those 3d effect arrows 🔥

[grizzled tiger]

[agile flint]

actually that yeah

[agile flint]

Sync Catalyst X rendition since we just talked abt it recently

[peak escarp]

How in the world do you manage to pull off this shit?? It's amazin'!!!

[agile flint]

tbh, what I do mostly is just heeding references I have, but pixel art can't be executed 1 to 1 to reference because pixel density differences so naturally it'll come differently in the end (which is fortunate in this case), + color adjustment is very easy to do, so, most of the time if I have complex stuff I just do it BnW then just slap a layer with color blending mode on top of it

[peak escarp]

The animation! Talking about the animation!!! (And how in the world do you turn it into an atlas???)
-# (I myself don't do the monochrome dealio. I like seeing the vibes that the colors elicit during the process, and i'm not good terribly good at applying color to the monochrome afterwards... )

[agile flint]

Yeah the anim is the same ||(references, though it is with very brutal trial and error sometimes, since there's frame count and you want to adhere to that for all animated layers so it'll loop flawlessly)|| as for how I turn the anim instantly into atlas, there's method I just learn after some personal digging and tuning in aseprite that let me do that almost instantly, it alr have built in animation sprite export tool, ||(though the default setting is too unrefined for balatro animated stuff)||, for that animation specifically, it just animated fractal noise ||(which I got plugin for aseprite a while back, which kinda solve all my animation workflow which mostly just fx's, I usually use after effects back then but it have such jank workaround I am done with it for this case lol)||, oh god this is such a long text

[peak escarp]

Fractal noise and stuff, that's interesting!
My art program krita's open source, so there's probably a bunch of plugins that I'm missing out on... Why have I never considered plugins?

[agile flint]

yeah, considering krita have like so many mods (idk what it called) afaik, you should try some, its like me when I realize aseprite have extension I went into downloading spree for it lol

[peak escarp]

I'll go ahead and take a look...

Yeah, It doesn't exactly look like there's much for the cool stuff you're doing there. Maybe I should check out aseprite sometime, nab some cool plugins off the bat, and mess around with it?

[agile flint]

You could probably, I heard we could just compile aseprite ourselves for free so you dont have to pay for it, but idk how hard thats gonna be

[silent mirage]

hmm

is there a way to give both ^chip and ^mult

[frail totem]

just return both of them or am i missing something

[silent mirage]

ah thanks, now how do i access hands and discards

[frail totem]

current or max

[silent mirage]

(max)

i mean only at start of round

so current

[frail totem]

G.GAME.round_resets.hands & G.GAME.round_resets.discards

[silent mirage]

thanks sis

[frail totem]

mreow

[silent mirage]

sync catalyst

[silent mirage]

like this?

[frail totem]

yah

[silent mirage]

what is the sound that is played when plasma deck balances chip and mult sis

[frail totem]

'gong'

wait no

thats a different thing i believe

nvm it is gong, but it plays it twice at once with different pitches, which is why it sounds like that

i've no clue if theres a way to play 2 sounds at once with a sound return

[silent mirage]

monocraft?

[frail totem]

yeah

[silent mirage]

alright this should be it, now time to implement the balancing effects

[frail totem]

note that this will play the sound as soon as the calculation is ran, not when the event for it actually happens

if you want it to play when it actually happens you should probably add it as a function in the return table

[silent mirage]

so func = balance_sound ?

[frail totem]

yeah should work

but also just try it and see

[silent mirage]

ignore my typo

is this balanced?

[frail totem]

are we sailing the seven seas

i think this is pushing it on how interesting you can be with a scoring exotic

there is not really a lot of design space for scoring exotics because its just echips or emult

[silent mirage]

pushing down i guess, atp im so cooked arent i

[frail totem]

i mean i think its pretty interesting

[silent mirage]

ok there is defo something wrong

i got like e13 chips then suddenly everything is only 8.5 x 8.5

[peak escarp]

Weird sound(s) inspired by this. When put on a cat tag, it sounds a little like a pinball machine part (which, I guess is the point.) but that might just be how cat tags handle sound.
All in all, kinda pointless.

[silent mirage]

🙂

aight ill try to fix the balancing shit later

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/32

[silent mirage]

fixed the balancing

(hacky fix with experimental smods api)

(should i add +hands and +discards)

anyway i add the (presumably) backward compatible fix

Ascensio stats!

[agile flint]

thats alotta lines

[peak escarp]

Hatching moment
-# (Art hatching)

[silent mirage]

Reda

[agile flint]

Crossmod? nah, we're crosshatching /j

[silent mirage]

@safe sapphire hi can you review fusio nuclearis

[safe sapphire]

Sure

[silent mirage]

special thanks to tatteredlurker

the balancing itself is pretty hacky though

[safe sapphire]

I'll check it out. Worst-case scenario, we see what the actual catalyst did and go from there

[silent mirage]

oh yeah it's simply

return {
  balance = true
}

i guess the new api didnt works well so i had to do something else

[safe sapphire]

I'm nerfing sync catalyst. It's gonna reset each round.

[bold thistle]

Does it permanently balance the hands & discards with the chips and mult or do the hands and discards go back to normal after each round?

[silent mirage]

Eh it's not even that strong still

[silent mirage]

The latter yeah, what you described was it's original effect before I decided to buff it

[safe sapphire]

Its definitely strong. As strong as Circulus Pistoris, but even stronger. The way it is currently set up, it will be above that threshold in only a few rounds and not limited to a single hand. It completely outclases it. Not to mention it still balances. Nerf.

[silent mirage]

Eh, I guess so, but then I need to clean up my own mess

[safe sapphire]

Working on it

[silent mirage]

I think it should balance with the max hands and max discards

So it drains your hands

And discards

[silent mirage]

Actually should we give this a +hands and +discards

[tribal moth]

More concise description for the top box could be:

At the start of round,
uses half of hands as ^Chips (^0)
and half of discards as ^Mult (^0)
(Resets each round)

[silent mirage]

Using the word balance make it more consistent

Also Mario did you reduced the initial value of it down to 0

[tribal moth]

I guess, but the involved values here are very one-sided - hands have some value, while starting ^Chips is 0; i feel like it's more understandable to show that the Joker is taking some numbers from you and stuff

[silent mirage]

Yeah I am thinking of revising it a bit

Make it take maximum hands instead and make it resets every round

[safe sapphire]

Apologies for the change. I did it because by default it would have ^2 Chips and ^1.5 mult. If it started at 1, you would instead get ^2.5 chips and ^2 mult. I think starting at 0 is fair as unlike pirorus, there are things you can do to make it grow like purchase vouchers.

[silent mirage]

Yeah but there are jokers that manipulate other jokers values, albeit rare

Also there would be cases where you only have one hand for some reason, such as very fair deck

Which would actually make this joker detrimental.

While I understand that this is for balancing, I believe that 1 is not a bad starting number.

[safe sapphire]

I agree its weird. There is no good answer here. I just think its better to stick on the lower side given how it can be increased unlike piorusus (with the exception of the oversatured easter egg). Also, even though I don't think we should be balancing around the fair deck, in the case were you only start with one hand, you could still play as it would leave you with 0.5 hands

[silent mirage]

With ^0.5 chips, duh

In math that's a square root

[safe sapphire]

It doesnt score when its under 1

[silent mirage]

Just give it a clamp

[silent mirage]

Under the iron skies

[silent mirage]

yeah it broke in newer smods

ill roll my own fixes and some comments

[silent mirage]

anyway

🙂

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/33 :3

ok so mario i have to clarify that the sync catalyst fix is only temporary.

[silent mirage]

Cockroach

[silent mirage]

my might knows no bound

also fabulosa radices should receive some changes

instead of only gaining ^0.25 mult if no discard lefts, it should gains ^0.05 mult whenever a discard is used

I have big plans for ascensio

No more silly lenient_bignum !

Embrace the talisman!

Brahahhahahahahaha

guys please pretend I'm laughing like a maniac and oinite12 is calling the local asylum

[silent mirage]

#Sequentia

[silent mirage]

I think some rewording are needed

[silent mirage]

also im thinking of tweaking the pecunda dominus a bit

maybe making it compatible with value manipulating jokers

[safe sapphire]

Thanks so much for your help Omega!

[silent mirage]

Np

Although the cunae goes a lil crazy though, but I'm not able to fix it for now

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/33

[silent mirage]

@safe sapphire review ^

Also yeah cunae need some tweaks

[safe sapphire]

Looking over it, I agree. Gonna see if there is a way to have a seperate buy and sell price.

[rich merlin]

(card.lua)

[silent mirage]

I mean the Xmult is fine but the money is insane

@safe sapphire also I'm looking into revising to the moon ascension to make it compatible with jokers that manipulate values

[safe sapphire]

You can try, but I believe it's a matter of how it works. It creates an event so any change of value would need to be detected to both end and create a new event.

[silent mirage]

Actually I'm thinking of just using it to register a new ease dollar instead

[safe sapphire]

Actually, nevermind. You can easily switch it for another value

[silent mirage]

Hmmm

Actually

Why not just use a global variables that are initial set to 1

Whenever an ttm ascension is added to deck

We multiply it by it's value

Hmmm scratch that, I forgot that wouldn't work

[safe sapphire]

I have an idea. I will see if something like what was done for Greedy can work here.

[silent mirage]

69

[safe sapphire]

nice

[silent mirage]

Oh wait! What if when we use ease dollar we hook the amount into an iterator that iterates through every to the moon ascension we have and accumulates its value

[safe sapphire]

That could work

[silent mirage]

I'll rework some other jokers too while I'm at it, how many more do we need to meet the goal?

[safe sapphire]

Goal is 72, we are at 64

Only 8 more needed

[silent mirage]

Hmmm

[river fjord]

tatteredlurker did finish their revamps of type mult and type chips so

if those can get in we can hit the goal

[safe sapphire]

Something did finish Jolly. Should be easy to modify it for the other type mults and chips

[silent mirage]

Tremendous

Ok chat we should pull all the available art here

[safe sapphire]

It would be better on the art doc. That thing is majorly outdated

[silent mirage]

Would be nice if you can update the doc xd

I'm going to bed, bye folks

Expect ascensio_un

[dusk stirrup]

Why is the ascension spectral card unusable? I've tried it with jokers that have an ascended version

Ah I need the joker selected mb

[safe sapphire]

Apologies. Really should make viable Jokers juice up when you have it.

I was wondering what Zooble's exotic art would be, but thankfully, the newest episode gave a pretty clear picture of what it should be. There might be something else that pops up later, but for now, I think this would work as the art. It's a bit busy, though. Might need a hint of refinement.

[rich merlin]

could also do something like entropy does with its flipside indicator

[potent anchor]

Does this require any specific forms of cryptid to work

[safe sapphire]

I set the requirement to 5.10. It might be fine on earlier version though so if you want to remove and try it might work.

[safe sapphire]

That is an option. I might end up doing something like that will also adding an icon to the name so you can still see if it can or not even without the card.

[potent anchor]

Id that the most recent version?

[safe sapphire]

0.5.11 is the most recent

[grizzled tiger]

wait isnt there that ascension indicator

[x] can reach a higher form

[potent anchor]

@safe sapphire i swear i might be blind but what do i click on to download

i dont see any releases or a zip file or anything

[blazing tendon]

click on the green button

[potent anchor]

oh

oops

thanks

[dawn sun]

should be “manus superior,” the idiom translates well into Latin but I think you used the wrong form of the word

[potent anchor]

is this a new steammodded release

[blazing tendon]

most likely

[potent anchor]

bc i downloaded smods like

2 weeks ago ish

[dawn sun]

the speed at which this scales is horrific

[potent anchor]

ok so i updated smods

and that worked

and now i got the scoring 5 turns all cards to astral 5s

and game crashed

[dawn sun]

idea: At the end of round, sell value gets 10% closer to $3000

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for sharing. Will look into it.

[safe sapphire]

What hand did you play to get this?

[potent anchor]

a straight

5 6 7 8 9

idk suits

id recreate it but i turned off cryptid and ascensio and now whenever i select any cards my game crashes with no crash report

i went back to my old smods version and it still does that

if it helps i disabled multiplayer and too many jokers and then replayed the same hand

and it lagged for a while

and then worked

(too many jokers does not add jokers, only reorganizes joker screen kinda)

[safe sapphire]

Odd. I am having trouble recreating it. I think it might be another mod causing the issue? Best guess is you got a too recent version of SMODS as it is currently causing cryptid trouble.

[dawn sun]

exotic blueprint idea: copy the effect of the joker to the right as well as the effect of any scaling
exotic brainstorm idea: have the affect of what your first and last jokers were at start of round

[silent mirage]

Install git

Then type git clone https://www.github.com/MarioFan597/Ascension.git in your balatro mod directory

[silent mirage]

Uninteresting

[silent mirage]

Oh wait what if cunae get permanent eternal lol, buck

[safe sapphire]

That could work, but that feels antithetical to the original Joker. I say we limit it to a x2 money multiplier or a set value like $20. Even if it does scale like crazy, you are out of an exotic to collect it unless you are on a specific deck

Speaking of Money exotics, I should get to work on those nerfs I mentioned

[potent anchor]

i got the smods that the mod wanted dependency wise and when i turned off the mod i went to my old smods file

[safe sapphire]

Did you update lovely recently?

[dusk stirrup]

This is sick

[safe sapphire]

Smeared is suddenly giving trouble when destroying cards

The ids_op_ref function is having trouble

I think the formatting that was done to it caused a problem

Never mind, it is still happening. Don't know how to properly correct it.

@silent mirage When you get a chance, can you let me know if smeared is causing you problems as well? Thanks in advance.

[potent anchor]

no, but also it was working immediately before all of that

[nocturne ridge]

What's the issue?

[safe sapphire]

Happens when trying to destroy a card, even when smeared isnt there

[nocturne ridge]

context doesn't seem to be referred to at all in that file?

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, I don't think it's smeared. I tried to disable it, and a similar issue still occurred with cryptid and ids_op.

Its acting like ids_op doesnt exist

[safe sapphire]

Sorry, that was my attempt to fix it. This is the current error

[nocturne ridge]

It seems to be that the patch that patches all the mods to use ids_op failed and it made card not exist or a mod tried to do Card:get_id() on something that doesn't exist.

[safe sapphire]

I see. That makes sense. Apologies for the hassle. I think I know what the problem is. Appreciate your help.

Love errors that don't tell you what the real problem is

Fixed

[safe sapphire]

Getting off for the night, but this is what I was thinking as a possible rework. (Don't take the x7 as a serious change) My issue, though, is that if we do go with it, it would go against the playstyle of the original. Another option is to either limit the max amount per hand or do a flat number and have it gain like $7 after some condition like playing 7 aces or sevens.

[silent mirage]

What about ^1.005

[silent mirage]

Each ace or 7 has a 1 in 7 chance to give X7 total money (lol)

[dawn sun]

this is a ridiculously fast infinite money generator

unless I’m misreading it

[silent mirage]

You haven't seen Cunae and it's crazy shit

[frail totem]

insane synergy with dna

[silent mirage]

And it's ascension, yes

Oh yeah you guys can try my ascensio - zero-balancing branch coming real soon

[dawn sun]

you told me that my proposed cunae rebalance (sell value gets 10% closer to $3000 every round) was uninteresting

(btw i assumed that cunae was exotic egg, is that wrong?)

[silent mirage]

Yeah instead of cool exponential growth we get boring approaching constant growth

[opal hazel]

-# (cunae is exotic egg yes)

[silent mirage]

@nocturne ridge oh yeah i "fixed" the dominus pecunda thing for u

yeah, it is multiplied!

[silent mirage]

something something...

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/35

Also I think the purus aurum art needs a little rework

[blissful finch]

What is that?

[silent mirage]

golden joker art

the original balatro effect and stuffs too

+44.444 mult is super duper boring

maybe it creates a negative Joker at the end of round and for each of them it gains X4 mult or something

[opal hazel]

Actually I think that og Balatro just being +44444 Mult is the best effect it could have; it sets a standard for the level of power Exotic Jokers should have (on it's own it's capable of gamewinning, but not comically so) and is also by far the simplest effect (because some of the recent jokers are kinda ridiculous atm with how much stuff they do). I honestly think it should be left as is to be the 'tutorial' exotic, like how normal jimbo is literally the tutorial joker

but anyway silksong release date is real

[silent mirage]

I guess

[tribal moth]

There was an idea that the +mult gains an extra 4 (digit) per Joker held, not sure if that's still being regarded

[dawn sun]

exponential growth is fine for everything except money. infinite money means infinite shop rerolls, and that’s no fun

also I just noticed many more inaccurate translations, you might want to change what translation service you use, because pecunia dominus and contra homo are also ungrammatical.

cunae also means nest rather than egg, is that intentional?

[safe sapphire]

I personally have been using a mix of Google translate and wikitionary to try and get accurate translations. If you think you can provide better ones, I would greatly apperciate the help with it.

[dawn sun]

i think that when you're using wiktionary you're just using the base form of some words when you might need to use a different form, leading to ungrammatical expressions. Google translate isn't that bad, but you might need to help it along by giving it phrases that are easier to translate (for example, asking it to translate "Chuckle Soda" will result in it getting confused; asking it to translate "Soda causing laughing" will result in the correct translation being given).

If you want me to check any translations, I can definitely do that.

[safe sapphire]

Thanks for the tip. I definitely need to practice up on my cases. If you could point out which translations need revisions, it would help immensely. Bonus points if you can provide an accurate translation with it.

[dawn sun]

currently I'm not so sure what the correct English is supposed to be for each Latin joker so I can't tell you which translations need revisions

[safe sapphire]

With the exception of the soda Joker, proper name meanings are given on this sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzgAkELf1Jv1bqPsgVdEh_bjD4VXXSh03VPYKUxAJ0E/edit?gid=780996915#gid=780996915

[dawn sun]

thanks

[silent mirage]

I mean I just pull up Google Translate

[silent mirage]

INFINITE SHOP REROLL 🤤

[dawn sun]

eater of jollity: exedens festivitates (there may be a better translation but this is the best I could find)
house of joy is correct
lightly thrown (dropshot): leviter iactus
oil painting: pictura olei
triple rhythm: triplus rhythmus
(idk what to do for hypercube honestly)
(the translation for building blocks is wrong, but why not just go with saxa (stones) as those are buiding blocks)... i can go over some more later

[safe sapphire]

Thanks!

[silent mirage]

@peak escarp hey iirc you did the Space Joker Ascended art, no? I plan to implement it tomorrow along with un-wheelchairing some jokers

[peak escarp]

Coolio! Are you asking for the art or

[silent mirage]

Yeah the art, if you are willing to name it too, great

Cuz I absolutely cannot be bothered to name something in 12:34AM

[peak escarp]

Solutus (untethered, loose)

[karmic bough]

Holy peam

[silent mirage]

Poggers

Ok guys so y'all familiar with gacha pity?

Solutus here shall be the joker with pity

[safe sapphire]

Thank you Something for pushing Jolly and Zany. Will crank out the rest of the vanilla type mults and chips.

[safe sapphire]

To the moon is causing errors. Looking into it.

[nocturne ridge]

Yes, it's not using to_big() when comparing mod

[river fjord]

holy peak

some of this art is making me pretty jealous ngl

how are yall so good at this???

[peak escarp]

Lifetime of expertise. Deft hands. Free time. Staying up for a long time.

[safe sapphire]

For the type chips, I am thinking maybe we should have it be the opposite of the type mults, where it levels up more for the lower the rank of each card. So like it starts at 13 levels, but subtracts the rank to determine the level. This will either be mutiple be mutable or have some way of determining the highest rank available.

Then the type scores would be if the closest to the median rank value.

[safe sapphire]

The issue is that the effect is objectively more powerful than it's counterpart

[safe sapphire]

What if we instead had type mults add the rank to mult and type chips add 4 * rank to chips?

[safe sapphire]

I'm gonna upload the type mults and chips as they are, then possibly think of a way to make them stand out soon. Also, had this deck done a while ago, but since we met the threshold, it's actually usable now, so I'm enabling it. Art is kinda placeholder. If anyone wants to take a shot at a replacement feel free.

It's just wormhole deck but you can choose what exotic you want instead of reset spamming.

[silent mirage]

Hmmm

Should I use :is_negative()

[safe sapphire]

I fixed the issue. No worries

[silent mirage]

Aight

[nocturne ridge]

No, it should be to_big(mod) > to_big(0)

[safe sapphire]

I see. I did try the to_big(mod) like you suggested, but I only did that part. I didn't realize the 0 also had to be given the to_big treatment.

[nocturne ridge]

Also most of the Type Mult and Type Chips jokers are missing localization.

[safe sapphire]

I guess I skipped that file in the mess of files I was uploading. Thanks for pointing that out.

[nocturne ridge]

Also Crafty Joker is using Clever Jokers sprite.

[safe sapphire]

At this point, I am going to be trying to polish out bugs to try and get ready for the 0.1.0 release. I'm probably gonna ask people to playtest it soon. I also need to figure out an issue with insanity mode.

[silent mirage]

Guys imma be real with y'all

My effects are either broken as fuck or weak as hell 😭

[silent mirage]

hmm

[safe sapphire]

Fixed Insanity Mode. Also made sure it works with Astronmica's latest release. Might need to double check if it works with entropy.

[silent mirage]

how does increase hands level by 1 for every hand played

reset every ante

sounds powerful enough

[safe sapphire]

So with 4 hands, that means a max of 12 levels and a total of 78 levels per ante

[silent mirage]

Is it too broken?

[safe sapphire]

Right now, the type mults and chips give at most 14 levels per hand, which means 42 levels per ante. They also have an additional effect on top of that. I think, balance-wise, it might be fine if it is the only effect.

That being said, your original gatcha idea sounds interesting to me. It would be fun if you could have a chance of getting a different number of levels each hand with a wheel spin. Depending on the numbers, it could be equally viable.

[silent mirage]

Yeah but those also give additional effects

[safe sapphire]

Right, which is why I said 78 wouldn't be too busted in comparison

[silent mirage]

Yeah it's probably the only effect

[safe sapphire]

I think if we have that effect and an additional effect of it turning total levels to xmult, it could work.

[silent mirage]

My initial idea was kinda ^ hand levels

But I find it kinda crazy

Considering the probability

And it's pity system

[safe sapphire]

We might need some experimenting, but unlike money I don't think there would be too many consequences for exponential hand levels provided we get the right base number.

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/36

aight resolved the fragmentation

@safe sapphire i forgot to push a last minute hotfix

[safe sapphire]

Ok

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/37

🙂

[safe sapphire]

Coolio. Will mess with it a bit tomorrow, but I think it might be fine. I want to get a release version out soon, so if possible, can you mess with the mod a bit to see if there are any bugs that need to be taken care of? Will ask others to play through it tomorrow to see if we can get them to help with that task.

Hunting season still needs fixed, but I think the new type mults and chips could fix it.

[silent mirage]

yeah about that...

can you merge one last pr

[safe sapphire]

Ok

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/38

should've tested

but i think this should be good

[safe sapphire]

It's fine. Thanks so much for your help. It is beyond appreciated.

[agile flint]

My rendition for the starlight deck, and the deck sleeve because why not

[silent mirage]

thanks, ill add the sleeve

after i cleanup the dishes

or maybe mario can beat me to the punch idk

[safe sapphire]

Nope, heading to bed. Will get it in the morning if you dont finish it though.

[safe sapphire]

Amazing work! Love the detailing on it!

[silent mirage]

aight gn

hm

do i just use the deck atlas or register a new atlas

[silent mirage]

ehe

[silent mirage]

hi

alright folks

Oh yeah I'm thinking of ascended Genie Joker (from astronomica)

[silent mirage]

Man I can assure y'all the result is absolutely insane

[silent mirage]

Yeah the reset text can be omitted

[silent mirage]

Halt

[river fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-26360213

[silent mirage]

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/39

[hollow nymph]

Bug: When Solutus attempt to level up poker hand, it always add base Mult only once

[silent mirage]

Huh...

Doesn't happen here

Smods?

[hollow nymph]

I use July 11 smods, this is the latest stable version

[silent mirage]

Huh

Well level up is supposed to level up your hands level

This is just smods bug? Plus I don't really get what the big is

[hollow nymph]

yeah, but no matter how many levels is increased, it always increase the Mult only 1 times the value.

[silent mirage]

Can you show it to me

[hollow nymph]

Sure

[silent mirage]

Idk but I'm on the bed rn

Can you ask others to try and report if it is reproducible

Cuz this is supposed to uh, be smods issues tho

[hollow nymph]

I also going to the bed

[safe sapphire]

I'll look into it

I think I fixed it

@here
Howdy! Ascensio is getting ready for its first release, and we can use your help! We would greatly appreciate it if people could try to find as many bugs as they can in the current GitHub build as possible. I'm sure there are a dozen or so we have missed so far. If you have any time in the next 24 hours, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who decides to help out!

[agile flint]

Idk, an attempt at Seance X, I tried to just use spectral card color for it since its function related to spectral cards, but I think I just washed rn because it looks not too good just yet, this probably what I have for now since I'm gonna have to catch a flight tmr

[safe sapphire]

Very cool!

[silent mirage]

Bro 🥀

[silent mirage]

Okay so

If poker hand is a (randomized poker hand type), create a pointer

Boring effect I guess

[novel ledge]

maybe a rare spectral like soul, black hole, white hole or pointer?

same idea just more variety

[peak escarp]

Play a [ ] That has a [ ] in it?
Or maybe it has to contain two kinds of hands?

[coarse blade]

tefd is off the table for sure

[novel ledge]

maybe royal flush instead of straight flush but that might be a bit boring

[coarse blade]

not to mention way more frustrating

[silent mirage]

Ok
Whenever a (hand type) is played, create a random rare consumable. Gateway (and Beyond) no longer have a downside.

[silent mirage]

I mean a pointer could be anything

It could be a pointer

Now imagine Peter Griffin said that

[peak escarp]

Isn't Perkeo X supposed to also make pointers, just way better?
...Granted, it's kinda that way in vanilla too...

[silent mirage]

Perkeo Ascended isn't here yet

Plus I'm going to unleash insanity

[safe sapphire]

I want to test something. Could multi-use work on cards other than code cards?

It does! That could be another option

Maybe the effect could be it creates a spectral card when any hand is played, but creates one with x multiuses when a straight flush is played.

[silent mirage]

Yeah but random spectral are quite boring unfortunately

[silent mirage]

praesagium

[river fjord]

exotic stardust, i might add some rainbow effects to the top layers so it doesnt look too weird with polychrome but idk

propsed name and effect too:

Cosmicam Pulvis (Cosmic Dust)

Other Polychrome Cards give ^1.5 Mult when scored
Turn every card scored on the final hand of the round into Polychrome

[river fjord]

heres the rainbow version, kinda undecided on it rn tho

[safe sapphire]

Fibonacci_X and Chad_X is a terrifing combo

[river fjord]

yea actually i don't really like this one

the rainbow really doesnt work

[agile flint]

This is such a Talisman skip animation route /j

[silent mirage]

Plchldr

[peak escarp]

(Interesting styling after making a mistake with the selection. Just wanted to share.)

(Prophecy lookin' ass)

[hollow nymph]

It's still buggy, (I have 7 of them, played 10 hands, should have levelled up 70 times and is at Level 386, Chips work fine but not for mult)

[silent mirage]

I think your smods is the issue

[hollow nymph]

the problem is there is no confirmation of "crash with cryptid" being fixed

[silent mirage]

Smods Development version?

No idea, I don't get crash but everything just kinda break a little bit

[hollow nymph]

Exotic Space Joker never got retriggered

[hollow nymph]

Instance of +1 Base Mult on Level Up is bugged

[safe sapphire]

I agree it's odd. I do think it's an SMODS issue, as it is using the dedicated smart level-up function. The possible fix until that happens is instead to level it up one level at a time to make sure it works.

[hollow nymph]

what about the retriggering bug with the same joker?

[safe sapphire]

I didn't realize there was one. It is still related to the same issue of less mult than expected, right?

[hollow nymph]

not quite

[safe sapphire]

Please ellaborate

[silent mirage]

Frico

[hollow nymph]

Click Cunae in Joker Slot Crash the game

[silent mirage]

what

dude you cant just say that and dont send any logs

[silent mirage]

saccarine

[silent mirage]

Strike 3

[agile flint]

I wonder if we can force spectral card shader on it without any effect, but that'll prolly gonna clash with the card editions huh

[silent mirage]

probably

fuck this im developing a small interface between talisman and normal numbers

[silent mirage]

@hollow nymph nope, your solutus problem is not reproducible here

skibidi

[silent mirage]

witheld

[silent mirage]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[silent mirage]

ill let mario sort praesagium later

should i give praesagium a "buff"

[silent mirage]

atrophy

[silent mirage]

Cunae will receive a rework. Tomorrow though.

[safe sapphire]

Let me first make a release before we add any more Jokers. I know we had the issues of spaceman, but I have had difficulties reproducing them.

[silent mirage]

I can't reproduce it either man

Also we should make a discord server

[safe sapphire]

Yes, I will fulfill my end of the bargain and get it up. Let me make sure there aren't any last-minute things that need to be changed before I post the link.

[silent mirage]

Just make sure it has the basics

Draft some rules

https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/pull/40

Oh yeah I forgot

[river fjord]

lets gooooo

[safe sapphire]

Ascēnsiō v.0.1.0

[worn kindle]

lets fucking go

its happening

[rich merlin]

10,000 messages without its own server is crazy

[silent mirage]

I made the damn seance Ascension pr this afternoon and still not merged before 0.1

This is bs

[worn kindle]

ITS UP!!!

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, can redo it if you want. I just figured that it would be better to wait since we haven't had a chance to test it out yet. I also mentioned that we would be primarily bugfixing yesterday. I didn't want new content to possibly cause a crash.

[silent mirage]

Oh I tested it this time

Trust me bro

Sausage fingers 🥀

[safe sapphire]

Ok, I will take your world for it, let me redo it

[worn kindle]

still says 0.0.1

[safe sapphire]

Woops

[worn kindle]

glad i caught it early

even tho its minor

[safe sapphire]

There, the actual first release is up.

[worn kindle]

PEAK!

[safe sapphire]

GIve me till tommorow at the latest to post a link to the discord.

[rich merlin]

i am watching

[silent mirage]

First time it crashed because I pushed nil into the pools

Turned out I need to push v.key

Then it creates random spectrals

Then it creates rare ones now

Working as intended

Now I should maybe think of adding tertiary effects

Like a gateway or beyond is used it'll block the destruction of jokers and lose durability

[safe sapphire]

Should be easy. Just need to mod the lovely patch to account for it.

The same one insanity mode uses.

[silent mirage]

Probably I'll use the safe gateway trick and check if the consumables being used is a gateway

Then reduce it's durability

When it's 0 we simply self destruct

[safe sapphire]

That's probably simpler. Should probably familiarize myself with how safe gateway works.

[silent mirage]

Huh... Only saw it in astronomica

[silent mirage]

Oh so astronomica take ownership of gateway

Then override it

Gamma

Hmmm... Can cardanim works on consumables?

[safe sapphire]

One of the hurdles currently facing the Discord server is the lack of a mod team. Would anyone be willing to help fill that position? Ruleset is basically Cryptid's rules

[grizzled tiger]

ASCENSIO TODAY

[tribal moth]

ykw, maybe i'll help out, but only if maybe 1 or 2 other moderators are present

[worn kindle]

probably wouldnt be a major role because i have school and also forget shit, but i could still help as like a moderator or sumn else.

could help with dedicated playtesting

[tribal moth]

oh yeah, congrats on release!! excited to see where things go from here

[worn kindle]

its actual peak

[river fjord]

i might help but undecided rn