Ascēnsiō v.0.1.1

[worn loom]

if its relevant ridiculus absens is directly inspired by tbois tmtrainer but i do like this effect

btw also apeirostemma is gonna get a rework in entropy itself at some point so thats probably something ill do on my end

idk if it will be like the proposed idea or not, hard to say, i want to keep it faithful to glitched crown but doing an effect like that is super janky

also an epic adding prismatic cards might be a little ridiculous

also also are reverse legendary ascensions intended to be exotic power level or entropic

[opal hazel]

oh uh I figured the reverse legendaries would become reverse exotics and I thought the power level for those was a bit higher (also the base legendary exotics are crazy powerful, Exotic Perkeo literally spawns pointers)

[worn loom]

well yeah but reverse exotic is entropic

thats like what entropic is designed to be (mostly although it technically is different)

[opal hazel]

I thought they were moreso exotic exotics

(if that makes sense)

[worn loom]

Transcend

[outer inlet]

transcend more like trans rights

[opal hazel]

oh also what are your thoughts on my chocolate die looking-ass Aepirostemma rework

[worn loom]

its nice but i have other ideas for apeirostemma when it gets readded to entropy itself

which is planned

it being something where you can choose between the effects is nice

but some of them effects could prob be different

i really really wanna get the glitched crown esque effect to work but i fear that its not possible without a lot of lag

[opal hazel]

true, some of them are kinda random like the crooked penny one or the budget all sixes one idk I kinda came up with them on the spot

[river sluice]

idk if it should be similar to beyond's color palettes but I guess ascension is the same way so whatever

i just think the red/blue/green/yellow should look different imo

[opal hazel]

I nerfed Doctor development, it still adds prismatic cards but even less frequently, and they now no longer work for anything other than high cards without some sort of rank/suit manip. tbh it still might not be balanced but personally I think it's little more balanced than some of the stronger epics (only issue would be with retrigger jokers ah well just pretend the first part isn't retriggerable)

[fervent sierra]

first thought was cymk but it kinda stopped making sense after i thought about it

cause it stands for cyan magenta yellow key

[agile flint]

(WIP) Ok, now this is what we call enough, time to move to other element (that will surely not kill me because my ambition for this one particular joker)

[steep flame]

holy shit

this is awesome

we love eldritch demicolon

[agile flint]

Gotta love force triggering joker out of sheer eldritch aura

[steep flame]

LOL

all the cards are too scared to be picky about their trigger conditions

This is canon

[river sluice]

well I think the key part could work imo

just make the key part space-like with stars and other miscellaneous cosmic things to make it fit

[outer inlet]

peak once again

[opal hazel]

what do we think about naming Wario/waluigi after obscure greek gods (Momus & Ponos)?

[fervent sierra]

true

[safe sapphire]

Added Blueprint's Exotic: Hyacintho Progressus to the Github! Get it from the Itemized branch! Next I will try and set up the foundation for other mods support so people can start adding to that if they want to. Also, I will be merging the itemized branch into main at the end of the week.

[steep flame]

peak

exotic facsimile (Coccineum Progressus) will probably be pretty easy

if the effect is similar to blueprint that is

[agile flint]

Ok, I'm glad I use #2b2b2b as my darkest black there else it probably gonna looks so dark

[worn kindle]

idea for tickster's exo name: fraus (fraud)

[river sluice]

Just went through and made Cut actually a crazy Exotic

Made it so that you gain a nerfed version of the destroyed Code card's effects (like Payload gives +$1 to all interest, Hook giving a random demicolon compatible forcetrigger to a Joker from its left adjacent neighbor)

a lot of them are really kinda out there but honestly since its an ascended card I felt like going all out with new effects and slightly broken ones

[safe sapphire]

Very interesting!

[agile flint]

I really want to setup demicolon exotic animation to have a wind up animation instead of directly spinning when scoring because it'll looks so jagged, but idk if its even possible to setup it from idle state to that with a wind up animation, ngl I might need to gave up that idea, and just let demicolon spin all the time regardless of state

[steep flame]

yeah both seem extremely complicated

[agile flint]

Prolly easier set of state based animation for me is just to let the eyes close when idle then open when hand abt to score and when it is scoring, I think it will still looks pretty neat and less taxing of a animation flowchart I need to care abt

[steep flame]

yeahh

[worn kindle]

first draft of aeon i just rushed out before bed.

[steep flame]

woah

[worn kindle]

the hours stop for nobody, no matter how hard the minutes try to fight back

[steep flame]

that's peak

[worn kindle]

tyty

ima finish this tmrw afterschool (wehhh...)

[safe sapphire]

Very cool!

[worn kindle]

thank you and im gonna bed now. good night.

[river sluice]

oh man this is awesome

[worn kindle]

nobody wished me goodnight :(( but uh yeah i dunno how to improve this

[nocturne ridge]

I'm getting this crash when the Oops! All 6s exotic shows on the screen at all:

[safe sapphire]

Is it just oops all 6s or also the other animated Jokers? Also, what version of cryptid and smods are you using?

[nocturne ridge]

I think it's only oops, the latest dev versions.

[safe sapphire]

On main or itemized for ascensio?

[nocturne ridge]

Itemized.

[safe sapphire]

I think I figured out the problem. I moved the joker specific atlases to their respective joker file and forgot to change oops apparently. It should now be fixed. Thanks for your help!

[opal hazel]

I think hyacintho goofed (itemized branch)

(also the game crashes when I go to page 11)

[safe sapphire]

I belive I fixed both issues

[worn kindle]

i am the cookering rn

[worn kindle]

heres a lil wip

bigger ver

[hollow nymph]

Brainstorm’s Exotic will be similar?

[safe sapphire]

Yes

@agile flint Is it ok to test my mod compat system if I alter your blueprint art to make it red and horizontally flipped?

[gleaming drift]

Does making the Exotic Brainstorm negative make the created copy negative?

[safe sapphire]

That wasnt the plan for the moment. My thought was if you needed joker slots, you could fish for one that give you some like motebook or negative joker

[worn kindle]

and higher...

added corners. very happy with where it is. does anyone have any constructive criticism/things its missing? i want it to feel on par with other exotics.

[safe sapphire]

I think the watch could be centered a little more. I also think a few more frames on the arms spinning would amplify the piece

I do really love what you have so far though!

[opal plank]

you gotta add a second hand

as in like

a third hand for seconds

[agile flint]

Sure, sure, have fun with it :)

Gotta love crashing my run after particle accelerator oil lamp powered with exotic blueprint (a simple run to look on how the joker looks and works, I can say I'm having fun) :)

[safe sapphire]

Added our first cross mod joker! Meet Astronomica's facsimile's ascension: Coccineum Progressus! While it is a simple alteration of the blueprint exotic, it comes with the framework for additional cross-mod content. On the itemized branch now!

[opal plank]

PEAM 🔥

[steep flame]

yooo

[opal plank]

unironically, cross-mod with ascensio likely shouldn't be the primary focus of cryptposting's development until we get our boots off the ground with 1.0.0

[safe sapphire]

Thats fair

[worn kindle]

recentered the watch. still need to add the inbetween frames but i gotta do schoolwork first (wehh just let me be DONE FOR ONCE WAHHH)

also i love using a 20 dollar pixel art program for schoolwork disguised shitposting. this is gonna be in one of my final assignments lol (IHNMAIMS = i have no mouth and i must scream)

[worn kindle]

damnit im procrastinating my schoolwork by doing this mod why must i be committed to peak

[worn kindle]

i finished the hour hand midframes now time to do the minutes

YIPPIE

i dunno why i made the minute hand slow every cycle i just think its like its catching its breath. anyways, peak update.

[agile flint]

Ngl it feels better because it give some impact than letting it only spin with the same rate all the time :)

[worn kindle]

yeah also the opposite spinning directions is a mistake too but neither shall impede on my ability to make peak.

and i just noticed a mistake... hhhhhhhhh fffFU-

[agile flint]

I mean you could just say the hand rotating opposite way is "time manipulation shenanigan or stuff*

[worn kindle]

and also kinda ties into this

anyways im proud of my peak and unless ppl have any major criticism i think the peak is finished.

[agile flint]

I would personally prolly just tune overall render and refining the shape, since the animation alr well defined of

[safe sapphire]

The only very minor thing I would suggest is making the borders a bit bigger

[worn kindle]

border or corners? whatever it is, i will do that when i can tmrw. time to sleepy. just know i made it more peam

[safe sapphire]

Corners is what I ment

[safe sapphire]

One more update tonight. I added Brainstorm's Exotic: Magnum Opus to itemize! I decided it can spawn any rarity given how both speculo can do that and it requires room to do so unlike speculo.

Also, I think I'm gonna make a consumable to temporarily turn a card into its exotic version for like a turn or 2.

[karmic bough]

Is it spelled rarity or rareity

[opal plank]

rarity
-# reply ping intentional

[safe sapphire]

fixed

[velvet widget]

Mods, point and laugh at this man

https://tenor.com/view/tata-mpo-gif-15942038246373310601

[agile flint]

The glass looked so slick :)

[river sluice]

And if you do stick with the clock motif on the corners, what if each corner was pointing to a different time

Like 2, 4:30, 7:30 then 10

[karmic bough]

did someone ping

[worn kindle]

final peak update with the sprite sheet (i am very happy with where it is.) the loss is hgidden

[worn kindle]

yeah mb i didnt scroll down when looking at thixs

but anyways now you can observe peam

[karmic bough]

i have observed peam

[river sluice]

All this from an idea I suggested n everything

true peam in my eyes 🥹

[tribal moth]

I had an idea for a compact but specialized status system for the brainstorming doc; my concern with the current system is that it's too "linear"; it only represents one state at a time, when a Joker has multiple parts that can be developed independently from one another. It's also not really good communication-wise; I think there's been a few cases where people have worked on art for a Joker not knowing art has already been made for it, so separating these states will greatly help with dev organization

this format still uses a dropdown, just styled different (specifically it's from the older days of Sheets) so that the layout is more compact, and what the symbols represent are shown when opening the dropdown

(regarding "styled different", to be more specific this uses data validation instead of dropdown chips - nothing to fret about tho, this can easily be copy-pasted into the sheet)

[agile flint]

Now this is peak

[safe sapphire]

The spreadsheet could definitely use a revamp. Totally up for implementing this system.

[tribal moth]

oh wait dropdown chips has this style too

i'll try to get it onto the sheets asap but i wanna figure out better symbols and colors that are a bit less ass on the eyes

no wait, dropdown chips are data validation 🤦‍♂️

(oh yeah btw this is on a copy of the sheet, hence why this stuff is actually not on there yet)

I think what I'll do is create a separate temporary sheet ("Add Sheet") where the statuses can be evaluated; I'm trying to do so before copy-pasting the new system onto the main sheet, but I'm having a lot of trouble evaluating the separate statuses

like for example, yeah Silentium has art, but was the name or effect actually approved? I don't remember, because I made the art for it regardless of those states

[safe sapphire]

I think silentium was approved. The labels are ordered putting aproved above art so I would default to saying not aproved on those.

All effects could use another look over anyway

[steep flame]

yeah, stuff like exotic perkeo's effect i heavily disagree with

[tribal moth]

Should I just assume that all "Agreed" is just name agreement, and leave effect status on pending?

[safe sapphire]

Lets go with that

I might spend an evening looking over all of them again

Would also give people the oppurtunity to voice their opinions on effects like Riley has

[tribal moth]

I'm noticing that some of these have "Issue", like Turtle Bean X, Juggler X, and Troubador X - I don't know how to evaluate these ones, are they actually implemented but have a bug/glitch?

and what's "Ready" for?

[steep flame]

I think it just means the suggested effect needs to be changed

right?

[safe sapphire]

No, those are effects that need to be either reworked or completely redone. No code has been done for those yet. Ready is for when every feature is done, and it only needs to be put together.

[outer inlet]

i had an idea for joker of all trades exotic

X15 Mult, X15 Chips, earn $30 at end of round, +3 Hands, +3 Discards

and it just keeps going from that

[river sluice]

yeah I did offer some comments for them but idk

[safe sapphire]

Like it keeps adding those values to itself at the end of round?

[outer inlet]

no it just does

a lot of stuff

[steep flame]

seems like a better supercell

[tribal moth]

ah

[outer inlet]

yeah and supercell's epic

[steep flame]

i do like supercell

[outer inlet]

i want joatexotic

to have like

idk

8 abilities?

7?

+5 hand size

+3 card selection limit

[tribal moth]

So what have:

• Issue -> Approved name, Re-proposed effect, Pending <art, code>
• Pending -> Pending <all>
• Has Art -> Approved name, Completed (not implmented) art, Pending <effect, code>
• Has Code -> (nothing, this hasnt been used)
• Agreed -> Approved name, Approved effect, Pending <art, code>
• Ready -> Approved name, Approved effect, Implemented art, Pending code
• Implemented -> Approved name, Approved effect, Implemented art, Implemented code

(also this is on a tab on the sheets rn)

[worn kindle]

im gonna attempt to make dionysus code because i am bored and the tism is screaming for a task to do

woa im purple now

holy shit

also the sheet needs claims for code as well as art. || @tribal moth just letting you know. ||

[tribal moth]

artwork already has claims, i'll add for code

Done

[worn kindle]

tyty

arent the legendary effects agreed?

[safe sapphire]

Pretty much everything is getting a rework. Dionysus especially might get a rework. A potential solution I saw someone suggest (will search for who) was that it instead makes a negative copy of every nonnegative consumable held.

[worn kindle]

ah, neat. im gonna still make code for the current effect on the sheet because im bored, even though its likely not gonna stay that effect.

basically saying im just passion projecting it

[tribal moth]

gonna go ahead and move the new status system to the main sheet

[worn kindle]

neat.

[tribal moth]

alright here we go

[safe sapphire]

Amazing work! Hopefully, this will streamline things moving forward! A thousand thanks!

[worn kindle]

why is superpos' effect set to reproposal

[safe sapphire]

There was an issue with it

[worn kindle]

what issue

[opal plank]

it

idk

i think it's just generally underpowered

[safe sapphire]

Added Astronomica's Stopwatch's Ascension: Aeon. Right now, it checks for vanilla, cryptid, and a few other modded decks. Will need to expand the list with time.

Also, there is seemingly a small issue when it comes to using multiple mod badges. It doesn't seem to care about order. Will need to come up with a fix.

[tribal moth]

I've gone ahead and claimed Contra Logos (LATH X)

[worn kindle]

LET FUCKEN GO IM IN THE GAME!

MY PEAM IS PEAM

[steep flame]

just so you know, i recently learned that someone who played my mod LITERALLY left their game on overnight to take advantage of stopwatch, and I don't agree with that kind of game mechanic, so i may rework it, just letting you know, if it does get reworked it won't happen for a bit though

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha. I perfectly understand that reasoning. Thanks for the heads up!

[steep flame]

Ofc

Stopwatch was originally a semi-meme joker, it wasn't intended to be exploited in such a way, just an interesting chip scaler

(who knows though, after i rework it i may reintroduce it as a "nostalgic stopwatch", and make it epic, lmao)

[safe sapphire]

I think it should be a config, but when you enable it the config menu gives you a judgmental expression

[steep flame]

LOL

[safe sapphire]

Also found the fix to this. Apparently it just depends on the order the files are loaded in.

[agile flint]

Prolly could rework it in reverse like cookie clicker with a set number (which is not an insta win number) that goes down after blind is selected (min at 1x) so in a sense the joker works like the clock boss blind (or you can make it memeable that have min at 0x which literally kills you if you take so long) 🤔

[worn kindle]

just downloaded astronomica to observe my peak. :3

[steep flame]

i desperately need to push the latest update 😭 😭 😭

so much is severely outdated

[steep flame]

Perhaps i could have it go down when idle

so

if you haven't clicked in like

1 minute

it decreases

[worn kindle]

good luck

on getting the update

[steep flame]

ty

it'll be out before the end of the week

[safe sapphire]

You know that's not gonna stop the most determined. I guarantee someone will set up an autoclicker for this just because.

[steep flame]

Honestly at that point I'm not even gonna stop them

If you're that determined to scale an ADDITIVE scaler for hours at a time, there's nothing i can do to stop that anyways

[agile flint]

oh its an additive, yeah that can work, the decrease rate prolly need to be percentage to mitigate oil lamp/ smoothie/ and gemini shenanigan (unless it is gonna be immutable that is)

[steep flame]

nah, it'll be mutable

it's only uncommon after all

I only have one immutable joker, asgard

and that's only immutable because i think itll be really buggy if its mutable

due to the nature of how it scales

[safe sapphire]

You may want to redownload that Joker file. I realized there was an issue where it only starts adding the gold stake multiplier after pick up. This has been fixed.

[worn kindle]

kk

going thru the things so little jokers have ability approved

holyy\

[worn kindle]

wip 4 fingers exo. i dunno what to add tbh other than some highlighting

also i do think that the ability is good and could maybe be approved.

probably gonna make the corners bigger and add some things like in the original bg

[opal plank]

not to be mean, but that is a fat ass hand

it’s very funky and very funny

but i don’t really think it looks much like a hand rn

palm is too small and fingers are too wide

[safe sapphire]

To be fair, the exotic is supposed to be a stub

[safe sapphire]

Doing mystic summit next. Right now the gain is ^0.5 per round, which I think is ridiculous since it's basically free ^mult. Should it be ^0.1 or ^0.25?

[opal plank]

definitely 0.25

honestly

0.3 might be good

considering how fast stella mortis scales for a relatively easy condition as well

[tribal moth]

ok this mfer is tricker than i thought

[safe sapphire]

Added Mystic's Summit Ascension: Fabulosa Radices. Now on Itemized!

[wintry owl]

im ngl this looks like a entropic

[opal plank]

[tribal moth]

current progress on LATH X, w/o and w/ lance (which will be the soul for the joker)

will need to tweak some colors but ye

im a bit worried with how the area around the lance looks, i.e. noisy and illegible details, but considering that this joker will more often than not be seen in-game moving and juicing up than still, i'll try not to worry about it too much

(which i usually do; i try to design these jokers for both still viewing and in-game viewing)

[opal plank]

really like this other than the bg color

[safe sapphire]

Looks pretty amazing thus far. Wow!

[tribal moth]

second quick update

[opal plank]

i like that a lot better

i was mainly referring to how damn light the bg is though

it's a lot darker in-game

and while you dont necessarily have to match that color (it is rather dark), i still don't think it should be so bright

[indigo helm]

maybe put falling stars and make it like there's a beam going through the background

[opal plank]

that's js my two cents though

[indigo helm]

since there's 2 Earthmovers

[opal plank]

this would be cool as well

though, the second beam could be confusing if not implemented well

[indigo helm]

right

[tribal moth]

the art is meant to be based on the album art for war without reason (like how hasu did it); i am going significantly overboard and beyond it tho, maybe i should pivot the palette to what it's like in-game?

[opal plank]

hmmm, i feel like it's leaning much more towards in-game as it stands imo

[tribal moth]

yeah ik

[indigo helm]

makes sense

since EM itself is dark colored

it would unintentionally blend

[tribal moth]

i kinda prefer this bg color tho, makes for strong contrast

i'll think more on it tomorrow tho

[opal plank]

i do agree, but at the very least it should be more blood-red like in-game

[tribal moth]

ykw i'll try using the in-game sky rn while im still on my pc

[opal plank]

alr

[tribal moth]

hmm

[opal plank]

i really like this

maybe a little lighter, but honestly i dunno

[indigo helm]

make it pink

[opal plank]

that is in fact peak

[tribal moth]

ye

ok, some last tweaks before i sleep on this

[spring grove]

LMAO

[old drum]

mannnn

give me fortrigger..

[coarse blade]

holy fuck it's peak o clock

[safe sapphire]

Yeah, still need to add demicolon support to all jokers. Probably will do that when we add the demicolon exotic.

[opal hazel]

Should I highlight entire rows green to distinguish fully implemented jokers or is that pointless?

[agile flint]

Could prolly do that to distinguish it more efficiently so ppl can skip the one that alr done and unecessary to notice

[opal hazel]

done 👍

[opal hazel]

also @worn loom I made a few exotics and some Entropics on the sheet what do you think (personally I like Choros-Katagma the most)

[worn loom]

x4 asc power for an exotic is definitely not enough

all the legendaries are cool

[opal hazel]

(solis wasn't mine : P)

[river sluice]

quadratic scaling ascension power

[worn loom]

^asc could work

its op as shit but just make the scaling super slow

or you can do Xasc scaling thats fast

choros katagma is fun but holy event queue spam

canvas 2.0 for the calc screen

[grizzled tiger]

bro thats technically tetration

[opal hazel]

yeah rip the event queue also I have kinda thought isn't this just *exotic demicolon on crack (also should probably specify it doesn't trigger other fractured cards because at that poinnt you'd be there for 1 entropillion years)

[worn loom]

this is why i say scaling xasc

because ^asc is insane

[grizzled tiger]

that works

[worn loom]

aenos is cool too

i think the name could prob lean more into being related to fractals since the inspiration behind recursive was this image: but i do like it

[opal plank]

i could do this fairly easily later today

[opal hazel]

Do you think Anadromi (G: Recursion) would be a good replacement for the name?

[worn loom]

its nice

[safe sapphire]

Would greatly apperciate it!

[opal plank]

this is so funny

[opal hazel]

Also do you think the moon berry a fitting reference for the exotic celeste refere- I mean Strawberry Pie Exotic

[worn loom]

yes

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/entropy-volatility-trading-spread-of-returns-variance-gif-25186416

most entropious

(idk what the gif is)

[opal hazel]

oh and before I go do stuff ruby do you have any thought on annything else i've pitched in the sheet? (eg: Monkey/Unjust/Pirate dagger/Sine Fine Venari [exotic hunting season] )

[worn loom]

idk

[thorn prawn]

Exotic Red Card

[tribal moth]

Thoughts for self, will be busy today cant work on it atm:

• goofy ahh glow shading, need to redo entirely
• gray bits on EM need to be changed to that yellow-ish outline-ish color
• on that note, wonder if I should change the yellow-ish outline-ish color to a different hue - i chose yellow bc it complements red and contrasts blue but idk
• City lights brighter?
• would be cool to animate the lightning but I've never animated, let alone lightning so that's out of the question

[opal hazel]

Glitchkat do you mind if I change the name of Rex (X baron) to Imperator (emperor)?

[opal plank]

sure

[agile flint]

Would love the thing have animated lightning, I could prolly try to supply you later with it if you need it :)

[agile flint]

Ok this is all I have for the animation for now, it ain't much but it'll do for now

[worn kindle]

spog of approval

[worn kindle]

btw this is my (not sure if wtill wip or not) rendition of the 4 fing exotic

[thorn prawn]

Avaritia type beat

[safe sapphire]

That is indeed a stump hand, but I feel it's missing something. Maybe if you had etheral fingers (maybe representing the ghost sensation people feel at first when losing their limbs) or actually have a stump (tree stump) as a hand.

Right now I dont think the art captures the otherworldly energy exotics are suppose to have

[opal plank]

oh right i was gonna implement force-triggering

i’ll do that

soon

[worn kindle]

love the idea for ethereal fingers.

[river sluice]

Oh I forgot to say

https://tenor.com/view/gary-there-i-am-spongebob-spongebob-commerical-gif-22318667

got myself credited in a mod yippie (seeing "idea: CapitalChirp" was awesome)

[opal plank]

working on force-triggering compat rn

[worn kindle]

boomf

[safe sapphire]

When you are done, let me know what you think of itemized. If you dont think there are any issues I'll merge into main

[safe sapphire]

I would make the fingers another color so it doesn't blend so much into the background. Maybe grab the red from the border?

I would also have the fingers curl the other way to match four fingers

[opal plank]

oops

accidentally commited a fix on main; didn't realize that itemized is now the most updated

eh whatever

erm

vs code can't clone the branch for some reason

trying a workaround

[worn kindle]

still not exactly the same direction as the orig but i still love it

[tribal moth]

actually, that reminds me, there's a way to automate this, one second

[opal plank]

k found out how to clone the branch

working on force-trigger compat now

[worn kindle]

ctrl + v mode

[safe sapphire]

I apologize for being critical. One more suggestion, what if we did something with the base of the hand as well? Maybe we do something like what Rex Midas has done, and we have cracks on it with pieces floating around losely connected by the red energy?

[steep flame]

I like it a lot, makes it look like the hand is being dipped into something

[worn kindle]

of the hand material?

[safe sapphire]

right

[worn kindle]

hollup gotta implement that peam.

[worn kindle]

dipping into the ghost realm to get back they damn (chicken) fingies

[opal plank]

question: what does the clock thingy do

from astronomica

as in: the stopwatch exotic

[safe sapphire]

It adds a chip for each second the game has been open. The amount of chips per second is the number of gold stake wins.

[opal plank]

i guess force-triggering it could make the amount of gold stake things it has go up by one, and it scales up by one second (second part isn't useful but is accurate so)

since i'm like 99% sure demicolon scales scaling jokers

[tribal moth]

Conditional format with custom rule formula =IF(COUNTA(SPLIT(CONCATENATE("Q",$A1,$B1,$C1,$D1),"✔️"))-1=4,TRUE,FALSE)

[worn kindle]

making the pink bg lines transparent because i think its taking too much room

[agile flint]

If function my beloved

[tribal moth]

google sheets formulae my beloathed ❤️

[agile flint]

So real

[opal plank]

wait there's no way this works for high five force-trigger

maybe

[worn kindle]

im the peam machime

[tribal moth]

this does not work properly >:/

[opal plank]

it doesn't 🔥

[worn kindle]

yeah makes sense

[opal plank]

wait wait

[safe sapphire]

A little clean up and some extra parts around the fingers and it should be good! If you would be fine with it, can you upload what you have so I can try to make an edit?

[worn kindle]

of course, after i add a few things to fill room at the top, have at it. (second time ive typed ass at first instead of add... sigh, the agonies increase tenfold..)

[opal plank]

sooooooo

i have to go to urgent care right now for my pneumonia

(there were no other times)

i'll commit my progress (shouldn't break anything) and continue working on it in like an hour

[outer inlet]

alright

also hi guys :3

[worn kindle]

oh shit oh damn yeah go do that. dont die! /positive

[worn kindle]

the peak is in your control, mario

(current version for the rest of yall)

[gaunt crypt]

I have a feeling that this check can be automated to check every deck

[opal plank]

i’ll be fine

same exact thing happened in august so

[worn kindle]

probably.

[safe sapphire]

I dont use aesprite, can you send it in the three image format?

[tribal moth]

nvm i have no clue, my initial idea doesnt work because of emoji weirdness

[worn kindle]

just now realized the bg is bisexual

2x

[safe sapphire]

Thanks a thousand!

[worn kindle]

your welcome 1002

[opal plank]

1027

[worn kindle]

1776

[opal plank]

2798

(don’t look at the mod priority for cryptposting)

[worn kindle]

(aaron burr, sir is now playing in my head fuck)

283

[opal plank]

coming back home soon; turns out it’s bronchitis

[worn kindle]

w

well not really w but uhhmm

[opal plank]

better than pneumonia

[worn kindle]

yeah, thAT

[opal plank]

will start coding force-trigger compat again in like

30 mins or so

[worn kindle]

good!

[worn kindle]

how is the artering goping?

[safe sapphire]

Almost finished with my alterations, will present soon

[grizzled tiger]

comes back from hospital
immediately starts coding force-trigger compat

chat what is this grindset called

[opal plank]

it’s called being out of school

[grizzled tiger]

quick someone break my leg so i dont have to work and i can grind oblivion

[opal plank]

“break a leg!” but they aren’t joking

[karmic bough]

"Break a leg!" they said as they send me inside the femurbreaker

[worn kindle]

good reference

[safe sapphire]

@worn kindle Here are my alterations to four fingers. What do you think?

[worn kindle]

HOLY SHIT HOW THE HELL

PERFECTION

yeah thats so much better than mine (although mine was still peak, this one is insane)

[safe sapphire]

If you have no problems with the changes, we will use this as the art (unless anyone else wants to give their two cents)

[worn kindle]

i think its perfect, go for it. also, if youre okayn with the current effect for 4 fingers, i might try to make code for it (im kinda new still to coding but ima do it for practice)

the current effect is "played straights and flushes can be made with 2 cards" btw

[safe sapphire]

If you want to go ahead and try to code it, feel free! Also, here is the full image if you also want to try and add it to the vanilla atlas

[worn kindle]

updated the sheet btw, will do that shortly.

gonna integrate it with the itemized sheet, tell me if i should do the main aswell

[safe sapphire]

Dont worry about main, just gonna merge it with itemized tonight

[opal plank]

guys i'm like 99% certain credit card exotic is giving +chips rn

if (context.joker_main) or context.forcetrigger then
    if (to_big(card.ability.extra.chips) > to_big(1)) then
        return {
            chip_mod = math.min(card.ability.extra.chips, Global_Cap),
            message = localize { type = "variable", key = "a_xchips", vars = { math.min(card.ability.extra.chips, Global_Cap) } }
        }
    end
end

[worn kindle]

i dunno how to github so im just gonna send the sheet here.

[opal plank]

i'll do it

in the next commit

[worn kindle]

also that entirely is doing that, i think

[opal plank]

yea changed it just now

again, ready in next commit

[opal plank]

btw four fingers and seemingly driver's license's atlas positions were 1 pixel too high

fixed but yea

i don't think this code would function with the parenthese in the middle of the thing

...and not (context.blueprint_card or card).getting_sliced then
...

[gaunt crypt]

does aeon checks for sleevs too

[opal plank]

no

pushed a small commit to itemized branch with a buncho stuff, finishing up the rest of the force-trigger compat in like 5 mins

(i had to restart my computer cuz it’s been on for like three days and is acting up)

[safe sapphire]

Tested it and you're right. I don't know how that got past me. Whoops.

[worn kindle]

how the hell does 4 finkers work

[opal plank]

i have zero clue

[worn kindle]

yeah uhmm i am confused even more than i already was im gonna not.

also aside from photograph, there are no jokers with approved effects.

in vanilla*

[opal plank]

mario hasn't really gotten around to the sheet yet

[safe sapphire]

The four fingers code seems to be in the misc_functions section

Will take some time to look at the sheet soon

I think for the effect we might have to lovely patch into the file

or hook

I honestly dont really understand the difference between the two yet

[opal plank]

yeah me neither

[worn kindle]

im just gonna take the functions from the lovely file and modify it for fingerless

because its based around four fingers

damn i am not finding anything that could help me do this, wth

[safe sapphire]

That's the annoying part about this. There are no functions here. It is simply hardcoded into the hands themselves.

[worn kindle]

yeah.

also, this is gonna have to be done with the modded hand xmult jokers, assuming their effects are staying.

safe to say i am not gonna do this, im too new

that and also i gotta do sumn for my final.

[opal plank]

tbh i have no idea if the effect is even feasible without the help of a coder like jevonn or dragokill

[opal plank]

uhh big gigantic commit just pushed

please tell me if there are any bugs regarding force-triggering

[opal plank]

@safe sapphire is this peam (🔥)

[safe sapphire]

I think I will now merge itemized into main

[opal plank]

okay peam

[safe sapphire]

Everything is on main now

[opal plank]

yippee

[tribal moth]

tweaks, if it's good in-game i'll ask tattered abt the lightning, otherwise will continue tweaking colors

[hollow nymph]

Bug 1: Rex Midas' "Gold cards held in hand give ^1.1 Mult" does nothing
Bug 2: Game crash every time at the end of the round with Purus Aurum

Add BigNum support to All Ascensio Jokers that increase Chips or Mult on any method (+,x,^, or higher)

[opal hazel]

I would like to change Sine Fine Venari's art to completed:

Ok but on a less cocky note, this is my submission for Sine Fine Venari and uh yeah hope this gets accepted (side note: the targets are supposed to alternate between white and green sprites every second or so but ifmaybe someone like tattered wants to reanimate it or something then go ahead)

(2x overlaid version + 2x sprite version)

[hollow nymph]

16 of the exact jokers give me ee6 (Double Wormhole)

4^1.2^80

20 copies, 100 triggers

random image (basically copying the same but exotic abstract)

just 10, and ee6 already (e1.301e6, I forgot to screenshot)

[indigo helm]

👀

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire not sure if I ping you to let you know about submitted art sorry if i'm not supposed to but uh yeah I did an art

[safe sapphire]

Sorry for the late reply. I think it's fantastic! Defiantly worth adding. Amazing stuff!

[agile flint]

This looks fire holy, I could animate the crosshair but I dont think it need to beside just translational animation

[hollow nymph]

@safe sapphire

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-dance-groove-garn-gif-16779224587692181091

[hollow nymph]

possible soflock with double wormhole deck/sleeve

[opal hazel]

if you could do that that'd be great! sorry I can't animate with the pixels also ty for the complemn''ment!

[agile flint]

yeah I could do that, it prolly will just similar like how I animate the eyes for exotic demicolon I'm working on rn

[safe sapphire]

I think you are fine in this scenario. You should be able to clear the first ante

[hollow nymph]

no, Mult X0

[opal hazel]

I'm pretty sure unintentional mult below 0 is ignored but maybe (unlikely) since it's a modded joker it mighht noot

[hollow nymph]

0.75

wee-sized requirement vs wee-sized playing card

[agile flint]

"I'm really so cooked chat". anyways, this is still wip, but this is how it goes so far

Oh I export it in 1x, bruh, whatever it is still wip anyways

[wintry owl]

needs more colons

but yeah it goes hard

[agile flint]

Nah it doesnt, it'll be too noisy of information to do omnicolon on top of all others alr there

[grizzled tiger]

the demicolon watches

[safe sapphire]

Just a thought, what are your opinions on the gun being on the second layer?

[steep flame]

yooooo

[opal hazel]

Sure, go for it! only thing is in my drawing it's hard to tell where the gun's being held (since it's the roughest part of the drawing in my opinion), you might want to redraw it slightly?

(Also yeah the gun on the second layer being held might look slightly odd if the arm extends over the sides a bit just keep that in mind)

(I know the second layer doesn't move as much just a thing to keep in mind ig)

[safe sapphire]

It may be a bit thought since I can't use my computer at the moment

[opal hazel]

just will the pixels into doing what you want (*not my art)

[opal plank]

i will fix these like now

[opal plank]

this is intentional, there is a global cap on all items at i believe 10 million

though, i am slightly against it

[opal plank]

this doesn’t softlock, as any “X0 Mult” in pretty much any mod is ignored

[safe sapphire]

Global cap should probably be removed or at least extended to cryptid standards. It was just there as a means of avoiding naninf

[opal plank]

i could code in bignum compatibility if you wanted

it would likely take like 30 mins to an hour due to me having to put lenient_bignum() EVERYWHERE

yea i'll just start working on it now

@safe sapphire can i ask: why is card in the loc_vars of a ton of jokers for seemingly no reason?

e.g. garden of forking paths' loc_vars lists card and card.ability.extra.money

[silent forge]

Question, does this mod only exotifies balatro jokers or also cryptid jokers?

[opal plank]

both

or at least plans to

[opal hazel]

it exotifies both and there's even 2 crossmod jokers with astronomica, you can even pitch exoctified versions of jokers here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CzgAkELf1Jv1bqPsgVdEh_bjD4VXXSh03VPYKUxAJ0E/edit?usp=sharing (and if a row is filled for a joker you wanted to make exotic just leave it in a comment since those are checked)

[opal plank]

well fuck

i was just about to push the giant bingum everything commit but can't because itemized no longer exists and vs code still thinks it does

chatgpt save me

SAVED

BIGNUM EVERYTHING NOW YIPPEE

[safe sapphire]

I just did it because. I have no real explanation other than I saw other jokers do that.

Also thanks a thousand for your big num support code!

[opal plank]

ah i see

i'm probably not gonna change it then cuz if it ain't broke don't fix it

[agile flint]

I'm done with demicolon exotic art and uploading it shortly, but man, look at this layer and frame count, how the hell I survive this /hj

[steep flame]

holy fuck

not quite finished coding it so I'll lock in on that when I'm home

[opal plank]

-# you gotta do some more art for cryptposting soon

[agile flint]

Ok, I finally finish this guy rendition ("Vis Felis" a.k.a. Exotic Demicolon) and I make it two state of animation, so the first one (the one labeled State 1) is for when hand about to score and in a process of scoring, and then the second one (labeled State 2) is for idle state animation, idk how hard it is to implement two set of atlas for the joker, but yeah

[steep flame]

absolute peak

Also, i think implementing two atlases should be fine

after all, animating jokers is basically just changing the xpos and ypos every frame

[agile flint]

Oh also, for the art credit if this gonna be implemented, I prolly also want riley to be also credited there since I just refine their alr drawn out ideas for this one :)

Oh god why its alr 3 a.m. I am out peeps

[opal plank]

lol

[opal plank]

imma be honest, this looks completely different than riley's art

[agile flint]

It is, but the idea I pitch is still derived from them

[opal plank]

mmmm fair

[agile flint]

Now I look at the animation of center part for demicolon exotic for a bit, it is quite hypnotizing to look at over and over

[safe sapphire]

I sincerely apologize gang, I think my main laptop may be out of commission for a few days. As such, progress will be limited on my end.

[opal plank]

that's alright

since school's out for me now, i can work more heavily on balatro mods (like ascensio)

oh, and i wanted to ask: is it okay if i look through the spreadsheet and provide pseudo-verdicts on jokers for whether or not they are agreed upon? you can veto any opinions that i have, but i feel like, as of now, there aren't many agreed upon effects for jokers

[steep flame]

I'll be out of school in about two weeks too

[safe sapphire]

Sure, feel free.

[agile flint]

Oh also I just notice this, I could do as refresher, I am abt to finish the Horse on my pc back then and well it give up on me which kills my mood quite a bit, I prolly touch it soon to give me breather before I go back subjecting myself to hard stuff, idk which one to do though, and I am not avid memer for it

[opal plank]

realistically do literally anything that's a placeholder rn

the only thing holding cryptposting back from its first release is art so

you would greatly help

[opal hazel]

sorry if I'm interrupting anything but I wanted to quickly clarify the "Bonus ^chips" from Sine Fine Venari is basically like making the cards exponentiate chips when scored, and not just a simple +chips (sorry if I had already conveyed this clearly enough in the sheet) idk

[agile flint]

Will do, prolly tomorrow after I got my sleep (more like later because its alr 4 am, but anyways)

[grizzled tiger]

based and eldritchpilled

[opal hazel]

how it feels to go to sleep knowing what you've created exists and is seen and enjoyed by others:

https://tenor.com/view/garn37-car-wahue-sleep-garn-gif-17567048414826699789

[agile flint]

Problem is, my sleep schedule is such a wreck I don't even know when to sleep or awake, and now I can't even sleep although I haven't have one for the night

[worn kindle]

we should probably make effects for hand size jokers (theyre currently directly powerscaled by effarcire)

[worn loom]

make them do stuff with selection limit maybe?

[opal plank]

yeah, i commented this on all of em

somebody had an idea for one of them i forgot which one

[worn kindle]

ikik i read

[opal plank]

yeah for troubadour, somebody suggested this:
Gain +1 Hand for every 4 cards present in your first hand.

which i think is kinda cool

[worn loom]

its cool i guess, its pretty interesting but +hands will like not really ever be exotic tier, infinite hands wont save you past a certain point and the econ is kinda cool but its not that good

[opal plank]

yeah

[worn loom]

selection limit maybe but having them all be selection limit might be a little redundant and/or boring

[worn kindle]

besides it entirely ditches the hand size instead of adding onto it

[worn loom]

selection limit actually benefits with more hand size which i think makes it nice

and its powerful with the ability to level up more later

cause of sol and stuff

[worn kindle]

Idea for pot of greed exo, have it increase hand size by 1 each round, 1 in 2 chance to increase selection limit, 1 in 10 chance to raise the increase by 1.

uhm thats not mystic summit

[agile flint]

Huh

Mystic summit do looks a little handy

[worn kindle]

emphasis on a little, very much NOT handy

[agile flint]

Well because it is a stump hand ofc

(/j)

[hollow nymph]

X0 doesn’t do nothing

[hollow nymph]

maybe buff this joker to each hand played

[opal plank]

x0 in pretty much every case of every mod is ignored

you are literally wrong; though, it isn’t ignored specifically on joker stencil

[worn loom]

btw this is a question only out of my own curiosity but how does ascensio exactly handle animated floating sprites (are there even any ingame yet?)

cause theres a few ways to do it and some are worse than others

i already have an implementation so i dont need help with that

im just wondering

[agile flint]

Idk how it handles it but afaik some animated jokers alr implemented (idk how to even code though so I am in the blank abt the implementation) 🤔

[worn loom]

ah :set_sprite_pos nice

thats how im doing it

[hollow nymph]

stopwatch crash the game when viewing

[opal plank]

please provide the crash

[worn kindle]

im gonna update the sheet because the effect for brainstorm is not updated

and not set as implemented

[opal plank]

yea

[worn kindle]

done

[safe sapphire]

Odd, it was working the other day. I wonder if it has something to do with demicolon compat?

[steep flame]

nah i think its my fault

i changed stopwatch yesterday

[safe sapphire]

That might do it

We need to update on our end though to accommodate it.

[steep flame]

ah 😭

sorry

[safe sapphire]

All good! You gave your warning this might happen!

[steep flame]

yeahh

i wouldn't copy my anticheat just yet though, it has a strange bug where it stays at 0 if it ever reaches 0

[worn kindle]

hey i made seal the deal exo art. the stuff on the desk is stuff to melt wax for wax seals.

the crayons are in the seal colors

and the corners are the vanilla ones

this is mostly just a doodle and not meant for the mod (unless enough of yall think its peak enough to be in game, either that or mariofan) so yeah

also i put loss in here 3 times

[opal plank]

this reminds me of

uh one sec

and

[blissful finch]

Where is my one?

[opal plank]

your…?

[blissful finch]

Card that looks similar

Nvm

[hollow nymph]

There are 2 versions of Fake Infinity need to be discussed.
Optimus I changed it from X1.71 to X1.7 (not a lot, hopefully) because 171 is not prime

[karmic bough]

Literally a better LUTN

[worn kindle]

?

[karmic bough]

Light up the night

[opal hazel]

@worn loom I made some more entropics uh

[grizzled tiger]

maybe make optimus epic

[worn kindle]

no, what is a better lutn

[opal plank]

here’s the thing:

please stop directly editing other people’s suggestions

i did not want you to “help” me with my suggestion on fake infinity, as mario already agreed on it

[worn kindle]

yeah, dont do that

[opal plank]

so please for the love of god stop editing things like this

[grizzled tiger]

optimus, it encompasses both 7s and 2s and gives more mult while still being rare

as well as 3 other ranks

[karmic bough]

beat me to it

[worn kindle]

ah, yeah. makes sense

[opal plank]

to be fair it doesn’t give mult on score

[grizzled tiger]

mf

[opal plank]

which is pretty much the only difference outside of the scaling and the emult

[opal plank]

i’m talking about primus

[grizzled tiger]

i was talking about optimus

[opal plank]

misunderstood

[grizzled tiger]

oki

so yeah

bump optimus up to epic, make it X1.9 to compensate for rarity increase

[opal plank]

fair

i’ll do that now

[worn kindle]

also uhm just wondering is my document exo good to be used in the mod? no one gave much input

[opal plank]

again, my dumb exotic could be used instead for it

i’m not really the deciding factor here though

[worn kindle]

i cant stop winning (happy house exo) why do i keep doodling out these jokersss

i like doodling these (and dont like how theyre doodles and not fully done because i want to baller but i cant because my brain is silly :(( )

[agile flint]

Ngl, I have an idea for happy house just an Inflatable bouncy house, because thats basically what it is

[safe sapphire]

For happy houses art, I think we have a chance to do something special with it. Happy house is suppose to represents the artisic communiy of cryptid, right? What if we cut it up into pieces and let multiple people take a shot at filing in those sections?

We would need an outline first of course, but I think it would be a very promising idea

[tribal moth]

thats the first time ive heard of that notion; looking at chat history happy house seems to be introduced as a "troll joker"

[agile flint]

That could be great in paper ngl, but idk how we will reserve the area for it since 71 x 95 alr limited area to work with, but hey there's saying limitation breed creativity, but still, imo if we get more than 10 doing that, its prolly gonna hard to showcase each one style alr 🤔

[opal hazel]

wait what if it was animated into several frames (oh god the workload increase)

like it fades into different frames of many drawn sections

[tribal moth]

That would be too noisy I think, and hard to look at

[agile flint]

Well, that could be a way, I could do transition setup, but I feel it's not gonna showcase it as well as a mozaic piece

[grizzled tiger]

changes art every round?

[opal hazel]

no like we have 2 (or more) fully collaborated drawn frames then it slowly fades the ones from the previous slide into the next one from left to right

[opal hazel]

or maybe something like this is more achievable idk

[safe sapphire]

Every round would be the easiest option

[grizzled tiger]

i'd be willing to pitch one in

[agile flint]

yeah, it'll be similar to primus resprite

that could work

[opal hazel]

primus resprite? (sorry i'm uniformed)

[agile flint]

its kinda old tbh, and afaik its not implemented yet, so you're not really missing smth, but it transform into the autobot prime from a truck when scoring (which is similar in context of how it works imo)

and it basically how I pitched the idea of state based animation for joker in which I applied in for exotic demicolon

[opal hazel]

huh, did not know that! maybe I would actually remember it exists over some of the other exotics if it did that (/j)

[agile flint]

yeah, its not much talked abt really which is a shame, it actually pretty cool to look at ngl

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[agile flint]

well atleast primus doesnt have the same fate as Non-Verisimile and ends up not even implemented

[opal hazel]

yeah I saw that on the wiki, but yeah the effect needed a buff it was just worse duplicare otherwise

[opal hazel]

also sorry to keep bothering you but were you able to make some translational animation for Sine Fine Venari in between posting demipeak?

(or did I screw up the img size again fdsgd)

[agile flint]

I could, but prolly the day after tomorrow (more like later since it alr past 12 midnight) since I am busy tomorrow and prolly the next day too, but I could prolly kill my free time inbetween, if it exists that is, I have downloaded the atlas, I just havent touch it yet

[opal hazel]

oh uh sorry I don't/didn't want to eat into your free time, sorry if I selfishly pressured you into doing what I wanted, but uh yeah I'm also off to bed, see you around

[tribal moth]

tested LATH X in game and the colors still work excellently

[opal plank]

peak asl

[agile flint]

Reducing the reds saturation a bit might be work since it looks a bit sharp on the eye well atleast on my phone, but it is fire already

[worn loom]

i could definietly do one for it

[safe sapphire]

If we do go this way for happy house, the small text should also describe the card as "The happy house we built together"

[grizzled tiger]

fucking real

[void tapir]

thas incredible…

[tribal moth]

also i'll do lightning animation myself, i don't wanna bother tattered too much, and it might be a nice learning experience for me

here's what i have so far, sorry for super tiny

(used this https://saint11.art/blog/pixel-art-tutorials/ for reference)

[opal plank]

i feel like it should be slower

and more "zzzzzzzzmzmzmzmzmzmzmm," not "zapzapzapzapzap" if that makes sense

[tribal moth]

speed will ultimately depend on how animated sprites work in-game, which i have no idea how

i.e. how is speed set, etc

[tribal moth]

i'll try to look into this; rn i have this tho

[opal plank]

this is better

[opal plank]

you can draw out frames

[tribal moth]

i mean like i dont know how what the fps of sprites are in-game

oh wait, 10 fps, 0.1spf

[tribal moth]

tried to make things go slower, but i can't figure out a way to slow down the animation without compromising the fact that lightning and electricity is supposed to be fast

[tribal moth]

mock-up of animation, not sure how to test in-game

[agile flint]

Is it possible to do the blue lighting on the guy flicker a bit? But on second thought, it might hurt the eyes 🤔

[tribal moth]

Possibly but honestly I don't want to

I think 10 frames is enough

it's totally not bc I'm lazy and sticking on this Joker any longer will make me wear out very quickly

Also did itemized get merged to main?

[opal plank]

yes

[tribal moth]

Nice

[agile flint]

This is so valid, tbh if not because I found a way to automate some of mine I prolly won't bother either

[tribal moth]

looking through code for animating jokers, im just htinking, surely there's gotta be a better and more general way of doing it lol

[agile flint]

Probably, I am in the blank of how code works, but if theres an option for dynamic frame timing, that'll be great asset since it can make the spritsheet smaller by merging some of duplicate frames or just to make certain effect possible 🤔

[tribal moth]

i was thinking that too

like jokers could have an "animation" property that goes

{
  {x=1,y=1,f=2},
  {x=1,y=2,f=1},
  {x=1,y=3,f=1},
  {x=1,y=4,f=1},
  {x=2,y=1,f=2},
  {x=1,y=2,f=1},
...
}

where a frame lasts for 0.1f seconds (assuming animation is at 0.1 seconds per frame)

but to prevent tediousness, there can also be "macros" that automatically generate this kind of table depending on the atlas

I could probably try coding this, might be useful for the entire modding community too lol

[agile flint]

Interesting, ngl I wonder if there's way to implement exported .json files from certain animated format (which contain all the necessary animation data including variable frame timing and count) because then I could just upload small sprite sheet along with .json file, but I kinda think it wouldnt work since the game in .lua, but idek abt code man

[tribal moth]

lua tables are pretty similar to jsons except for the fact that json sucks balls (says the guy who regularly uses json for everything)

like god dammit let me use 0-bit undefineds PLEASE

[agile flint]

Lmao, but yeah I kinda wonder if there's some way to implement that file into the game because that'll automate and translate the animation better and quicker (probably)

[tribal moth]

lua sucks I HATE 1-INDEX I HATE 1-INDEX I HAT-

i wasted 20 minutes debugging a problem caused by 1-indexing

(needed to set up my own test mod to test sprite animation)

[safe sapphire]

Have you tried to copy what is done to currently animate jokers atm?

[tribal moth]

i did

and erased most of it

sorry had to reupload this bc sudden moment of clarity realized i made a stupid caption for this

[safe sapphire]

Good news! While my main computer is still being repaired, I was able to get balatro up and running on an old laptop in the mean time! While it will still be slower than normal, I believe I will be able to program some of the jokers during this period.

[livid dove]

As much as I'd love to play Balatro, i've been really into Doom at the moment. I've got so many campaigns to try. But I definitely come back eventually! The content here is absolutely fantastic!

[safe sapphire]

Right now there is an issue with the drivers license exotic and blueprint, trying to fix now

[south monolith]

a

[agile flint]

Nah, its b

[tribal moth]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-b-that-this-man-big-chungus-reddit-gif-16394899

[thorn prawn]

iterum devolution: iter
um. retriggers one random jorker and one random cared

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire sorry to bother you but before I commit to doing a sprite do you approve of my name/effect idea for exotic Waluigi? (Momus, a minor greek god of satire/mockery who's only notable appearance in modern media is a weapon aspect based off him in Hades 2, seen below) [also have you been able to work on Sine Fine Venari ok shut up Grahkon you're being selfish demanding so much from a guy who does this for fun]

[worn kindle]

uhh bonk idea: all joker give x6 chips. increase by 1 when a pair is played. doubles for each jolly joker owned. (should note that it doubles both values)

[safe sapphire]

While I love the idea, I think I we need to be mindful of the more mario jokers mod. Is there enough minor greek gods to cover their jokers?

If not, I think it will be fine. Might just need to swap textures if we add compat and it is installed

Also, will try and work on sine

[opal hazel]

"enough greek gods"?

(ok I can't find an image large enough but like seiously there are so many minor greek gods it's comically absurd, Zeus alone is the father of like 50)

and hell some of the moremariojokers probably deserve some important greek gods

donkey kong ares

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha. In that case It should be fine. I thought about all gods sharing the same frame like legendary jokers (minus the skull of course), but I'll leave it up to you

[opal hazel]

(i'm assuming you're reffering to the legendary text boxes like what was done for thanatos & what will be for dionysus)

[safe sapphire]

Right

[opal hazel]

(and similar backgrounds i'm also assuming)

[safe sapphire]

I thought it would be cool, but if you think it will be too constricting, feel free to change it

[opal hazel]

nope, if anything there's already enough variation in the backgrounds between dio and thanatos for a wide range of legendary-color-ish backgrounds (my plan is a spiral-ly to repesent the snake motifs? I guess)

[opal hazel]

(also one last thing before I get outta your hair, should I mark Momus/Ponos* ' names as approved? i'll also be changing art to claimed for Momus if that's the case) *also Ponos might not be the final name if i find a less obscure god to fit wario

[safe sapphire]

Waluigi's name is good. I think Waluigi's effect might need another look over but that's another issue. Why is Wario Ponos?

[opal hazel]

Greedy genshin impact company refernce uh no seriously not that I just searched for a god loosely related family-wise to Momus since Momus only has a sister in greek mythology, and I figured a god of toil and stress might fit wario since I couldn't really find one for greed, and I can't exactly make him midas so uh yeah just a random obscure god?

also zeus offspring list jumpscare (THIS ISN'T EVEN THE FULL LIST WHY ARE THERE SO MANY)

[safe sapphire]

I'll see if I can find a better one for wario, but for now I agree with waluigi's pick. Feel free to create art if you desire

[tribal moth]

"why are there so many" do you have any idea what zeus is like

[opal hazel]

I know he's freaky on a cosmic level but I don't think there is a single year in the greek empire he wasn't having another kid it's hilarious

[tribal moth]

yeah lmao

[safe sapphire]

A possible candate for wario might be Pseudologoi, the personifications of lies. Another is Ploutos, the god of wealth

[outer inlet]

ploutous cause like i think wario likes money

[outer inlet]

also why did you leave the cryptposting server what the fucking 😔

[opal hazel]

Also [will respond to new msg in one sec] Momus' effect is intended to be a 'satire' of sorts to the other exotics since most of them end up creating absurd amounts of jokers, even at 6 other jokers the effect is already reduced to ~3x mult per joker (maybe Momus' effect might need to be decreasing by a quarter instead of halving lol, it could probably use a rework tho)

[opal hazel]

I did look up Ploutos, my only thought is he might conflate with pluto/hades too much since he's also a god of wealth

[tribal moth]

I'm not doing anything for the mod, also I'm trying to dissociate with Cryptid addon servers

[worn kindle]

@safe sapphire opinion on my bonk exo idea?

[worn kindle]

bump

[opal hazel]

The effect feels a bit odd and i'm not sure what is doubling (but that's my opinion)

[worn kindle]

both. the increase and the actual number is doubling (x6 base, +1/pair goes to 12X base, +2/pair with 1 jolly joker)

[opal hazel]

hm, interesting... I still feel like could have something else like uhhhh idk making jolly jokers appear more often?? idk I can't think of anything else at the moment

[opal hazel]

and so, work begins

[safe sapphire]

From what I see the effect is fine. Pretty much a simple stat increase, but should be fine. Maybe it could play on pairs more?

[tribal moth]

actually im curious, what do these jsons look like? do you have an example of such a json

[agile flint]

I'll try export it now since aseprite have native export method for that, then you can dissect it, wait a second

[agile flint]

So, the sprite sheet gonna be this small, because the json file should dictate the frame count, duration, slices, etc, but am not sure how it really works since I never works directly with json files for animation stuffs

[tribal moth]

alright, thank you

[agile flint]

Np 👍

[tribal moth]

oh wait shit i should probably submit lath x sprite before i lock in on this sprite animation rework lol

Contra Logos; 1x and 2x respectively. top-left is BG, bottom-left is soul extra, animated is soul. Animation goes as follows:

/ 1 2 3 4
/ 5 6 7 8

and scaled composite for viewing purposes

[river sluice]

does ascensio need a new astronomica version to work

[steep flame]

im just gonna get to the bottom of this right now, what context are you getting this?

[river sluice]

when it shows up anywhere

my profile does have one deck completed on gold stake so that might have something to do with it

[steep flame]

no its my fault

i tried implementing a system to prevent people from afking and it broke things

reverting it rn

@river sluice update astronomica and tell me if it still crashes

[river sluice]

yeah I'll do that tomorrow, a little tired rn

[steep flame]

ah

[safe sapphire]

I can check

With this reversion, I think the crash has been avoided

[steep flame]

alrighty

[safe sapphire]

At this point, I should just create a wheel for the jokers that have art to decide which one I should do next.

After sine

Since I said I would do that one

[south monolith]

c

[agile flint]

@safe sapphire , sorry for bothering you, if you gonna work on Sine Fine Venari and haven't touch the atlas yet, let me provide one that animated since Grahkon wishes for the crosshair to be animated and I just have time to do it just yet

I decided to not separate the rifle from the guy since I think it'll looks like it floats when it is ported in game

[karmic bough]

holy peam

[nocturne ridge]

Why does midas mask check the effect instead of using SMODS.has_enhancement?

Also Drivers license doesn't do anything with enhancements?

[opal hazel]

holy hell this is way cooler then I could've even imagined you have made some real

[safe sapphire]

That works

[nocturne ridge]

I was looking through the commits and it seems to have worked before but someone changed it?

This commit specifically: https://github.com/MarioFan597/Ascensio/commit/baf267e6774ad248ecb67a36b2b234dddb275095

[safe sapphire]

I'll check on it

[steep flame]

Heya, just reminding about insanity mode, incase you forgot

[safe sapphire]

I thought I fixed it. Is it still having issues?

[steep flame]

Yeah, it seems to be nonfunctional, on the latest commit

main cryptid branch

[safe sapphire]

They must have changed gateway again. Will look into it

[karmic bough]

apparently Rex Midas isn't doing the ^1,1 mult for each gold card held in hand

[nocturne ridge]

It's because it says Emult instead of e_mult which was changed in the exact same commit as before.

Also if you put a blueprint on the drivers license exotic it triggers every time something calculates, also caused in that commit.

Also it's always 2x mult.

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire (as always, apologies for the ping) should Momus keep the legendary border shadow thingy or would it not fit with the existing legendary exotic(s)

[opal hazel]

(also here's a funny timeline of progression)

(bottom one is a scrapped design since it was too vibrant for this type of bg)

[safe sapphire]

Apologies, working on this old system of mine has been difficult. Will try and fix it.

[safe sapphire]

That should be fine

[karmic bough]

Hey, no probs man, keep doing what you're doing

[opal hazel]

And so, progress continues...

[rocky osprey]

Does Momus have an effect yet

[opal hazel]

not an agreed effect, feel free to come up with one over my very rough idea for one: (all jokers give 250x mult, but halve this for every other joker you have, cant drop below 2.5x)

[rocky osprey]

4x mult for each joker and consumable owned
Create a random negative uncommon-epic joker and a negative spectral card when blind selected

[opal hazel]

[btw since Momus is god of satire/mockery I tried making an effect that 'mocks' other exotics and how they create 1290378 jokers]

[rocky osprey]

That's intresting

[opal hazel]

unfortunantly in retrospect my idea was a bit wack since with like 10 jokers it'd be weaker than the legendary

[rocky osprey]

This maybe tho? Ik it just contradicted on what you said but it's an interesting idea

[opal hazel]

I can't respond since I gtg, but I like the idea for an exotic waluigi, but idk if it ould fit with the 'Momus' theme

[rocky osprey]

Yea

Wario:
All owned jokers give 5$ and all jokers give 15$ when triggered
Increase by 1$ when X$ gained from this joker
X is the amount owned jokers give multiplied by the amount all jokers give when triggered

This is really convoluted and bad but it's a semi-alright starting point for other ideas

[nocturne ridge]

Why is to the moons exotic commented out?

[safe sapphire]

I tried to implement it but I had trouble with events. Right now what I have is included, but doesn't load thanks to that comment.

[worn kindle]

rough gem doodle. did i balled?

[tribal moth]

ooh, very balled

I feel like there could be some things that could be tweaked, but I don't really know how to articulate it in words

[agile flint]

I actually have very similar idea to that though instead of sweeping light it'll be a slight refraction shift for the gem's texture (now I can automate animated perlin noise within aseprite, it is an absolute weapon for me ), I'll prolly gonna do it for blue and green joker

[tribal moth]

i got a prototype working but it feels, uh, hella scuffled lmao

i put the override inside an event function; i don't know a whole lot about the event system and game update function, but i'm fairly certain this is like performing brain surgery on yourself

but it works i guess?

(also this thing is wrapped in an event bc i dont actually know how to make this thing load only after the initial loading is done)

[nocturne ridge]

?

[grizzled tiger]

who made that change

j_gluttenous_joker is gluttonous joker's key

[safe sapphire]

I should have been more scrutous on glitchkats work

[opal hazel]

wip for 2nd layer of momus (le snek) :

[rocky osprey]

sna nsnan kaeknae

what if instead of scalae it was snakae and it opened up a game of snake that you needed to win for ^5mult

[opal hazel]

*^5 scaling

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-meow-meow-meow-snake-gif-13922759738366932600

[rocky osprey]

^5 for every apple eaten

[opal hazel]

:true: also would you believe me if I told you the snek is for the waluigi exotic

[rocky osprey]

I'd know

cause i know momus is for waluigi

should krustys exotic name be the fact that hes copyrighted or about krusty himself

[opal hazel]

stupid idea but what if the joker is called Julius Caesar and the background is a big throne but who's on it is covered by a big stone copyright symbol like we can't actually get Julius Caesar in here

[rocky osprey]

Fire

absolutely peak

[opal hazel]

(also when making the *background there could be a shitpost on the throne obscured by the copyright)

[rocky osprey]

loss

no way is that loss

[opal hazel]

also fun fact the colour that negative Waluigi has is the same one used for the upcoming background of Momus!

[rocky osprey]

wait i see it

[opal hazel]

(no it isn't it was a joke)(r) it is a nice coincidence that the original sourcce for momus' colour scheme (the staff with the god's name seen below:) has a sorta similar colour scheme to negative waluigi

[rocky osprey]

AWE...SOme!

[opal hazel]

i'm straight up snekking 'it', and by 'it', heh, lest justr say. My Momus

[rocky osprey]

What if double scale had no ascensio exotic and the exotic was just scalae

[opal hazel]

yeah I'm surprised this wasn't proposed

[rocky osprey]

Cause like scalae basically is just double scale but exotic

[opal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-helpmann-true-feel-that-thats-true-morgan-freeman-true-gif-15273165990450333551

[rocky osprey]

Hold on

Statera Perpetua
Scaling Jokers scale quartically and will always scale at the end of a hand 2 times.

Wording could be better as long as the value stays

[opal hazel]

while this doesn't yet feel distinct enough from scalae, I like the idea of an exotic (not necessarily but inclusive of that one) force-scaling jokers

[rocky osprey]

Worlds most impossible joker to exoticify

[opal hazel]

no the worlds most impossible joker to exotify is clearly effarciere s h

[rocky osprey]

Eh
Actually yeah sure

Double scale is 2nd most

I'd say

Maybe

[opal hazel]

"Powercrept by effarciere" - seen under every hand size exotified joker

[opal hazel]

here's a re-proposal for exotic superposition if anyone's interested:

[steel lantern]

this mod is great

[tribal moth]

why is someone working on these when the effects arent even approved yet

actually nvm, why are a bunch of jokers with pending effects being implemented

...actually tbf effects havent been reviewed by anyone really, i see the point

[safe sapphire]

Apologies. Have been busy with college and dealing with computer problems. Will spend some serious time tomorrow catching up on this project. I might ask glitchkat's help with approving suggestions.

[velvet widget]

Don't apologize big man, you're the boss

We're just happy to have such a cool mod, even in early stages

[river fjord]

exotic dropshot proposal:

Perpetua Gutta

This Joker gains ^0.2 Mult for every played, non-scoring [suit] card, suit changes at end of round

At end of round, turn every card in held in hand into an enhanced [suit]

and exotic booster joker:

Nundinae

Booster packs have triple the amount of items and choices, +3 Booster slots

Buffoon Packs can generate Legendary and Exotic jokers (2% and 1% respectively)

For every 5 Booster packs opened, create an Overstock (0/5)

[hollow nymph]

Very angry about Fake Infinity’s effect being approved. (through rebalance is allowed)

my second proposal is to make -Joker slot from $ apply logarithmically (base 4 I think) instead of linearly, that is way too much and basically typecast challenge in Ante 5 onward.

kierkat10 forgot about playability

the joker should have rated Common not Epic with -1/$ rather than -1/4x$

[zinc lodge]

does diet cola need a new ascended version
like energia already exists

[safe sapphire]

If possible, I would like each card to have their own ascension. Some I will concede on like Scalia and double scale, but I think there could be enough of a difference between cola an energia to warrent a separate exotic.

[zinc lodge]

ah

[safe sapphire]

I think you may have a point. Could you write out your suggestion in the form of a full joker idea here? It would be greatly appreciated to more easily compare the two.

[safe sapphire]

Also, glitchkat wanted to say, "Fake infinity's effect doesn't decrease your joker slots if you have over $10"

[worn kindle]

since oinite couldnt words how to improve this, can someone else? also one that i can point out is some stray pixels used for the dithering tool and it not beiong rough enough. dont know how to make the texture better because bleh so someone else can do that.

[safe sapphire]

Looking at comments on hanging chads exotic, if possible, I might also make it redirect all retriggers to the first played card.

I also plan on eventually changing dna's exotic to only destroy cards that are not the same as the first played card

While I am laying out plans, I will reiterate my desire to make the sum cards also change the remaining cards in hand to match rank or suit of the played card depending on the hand type

[agile flint]

Ngl from the meaning of the name itself, I feel like you dont have to make the gem itself rough, but everything else is, because it is "diamond on the rough", not "rough diamond " imo, but you can make argument on doing so because it is "on the rough", so, apart from just refining the texture (which is just minor nitpick of mine) I think you alr did pretty good job

[silent forge]

inanis (stencil) doesn't seem to work properly (no extra joker slots

[hollow nymph]

not written in effect make me thought it was basically a 'typecast' with high money

[rocky osprey]

so scalae wont have a ascensio mortal version, and double scale wont have an ascensio exotic?

[hollow nymph]

updated on spreadsheet

[rocky osprey]

eternal flame proposition
Gains ^0.25 Mult for each card sold.
When a Joker is sold, add double its sell value to this Joker’s XMult.
(Currently: ^1 Mult and X1 Mult)

[safe sapphire]

They will be each other's

[rocky osprey]

ye that

[opal hazel]

@safe sapphire Momus Reproposal: all Jokers score +0.5x Mult per Joker Slot (or ^0.05 idk), but slots created by negative jokers aren't counted. when a negative Joker is obtained, there is a 50% chance for it's edition to be downgraded to foil, but you gain an Eternal Antimatter Voucher. (or just +1 permanent joker slot)

[rocky osprey]

wouldnt that fit more as abstracts joker exotic

[opal hazel]

abstract already exists and that only has ^Mult coming from itself, Momus would make every joker increase mult by X [slotnumber] (or ^ [slotnumber])

(if that makes any sense)

[tribal moth]

@safe sapphire Does the mod have a global table (like Cryptid for Cryptid)?

[safe sapphire]

Probably not

[tribal moth]

gotcha

I'm asking b/c I forked the repo so I can test the card animation system I wrote up; it uses a global table to store stuff for reference

[velvet widget]

we need a fear and hunger ref somewhere

[opal hazel]

more progress on Momus 2nd layer (dw the white pixels look better on the background)

(note: the (X) is where the snake goes from layer 2 to layer 3)

[tribal moth]

i should probably explain why i'm trying to write a better animation system: (wall of text)

The way the current "system" is written involves repeatedly overwriting Game:update and, for each animated card, iterating through all cards on-screen (a "skim" that might not even grab that many target cards each time). This is fine right now, but if we're gonna keep making more animated cards, this may potentially hamper game performance, for normal gameplay and especially for many-card gameplay.
Additionally, the current way animations are being written is a bit tedious, involving writing a long chain of if-elses. It works, but isn't really dynamic, and limits more complex (and optimized) animation sequences, and asynchronous sequences between the different layers of a card.
Furthermore, on the topic of optimization, because of the way animations are being written, frames only stick around for "1 frame", or 0.1 seconds per frame (spf); this results in duplicate frames being needed to "sustain" a frame for periods longer than 0.1 spf.

The animation system I'm writing should resolve these issues; all animations will be handled by a single function that iterates through every card on screen and targets all cards that are known to be animated (instead of only targetting one card each "skim").
Animations are now defined within the Joker/card/whatever object itself using a sequence of coordinates similar to that for pos and soul_pos; alternatively, "macros" can be used to automatically generate this sequence with little hassle, e.g. go through all cards in one row, then move to the next row, etc., or even just import an Aseprite animation JSON directly (or even other formats?)

(I'll write documentation for this dw)

tl;dr make animation easier

[agile flint]

Holy, this is such a gods work (I dont understand anything abt the codes, but I can see the premises of this improvement, also this will alleviate my fear of possibly using absurd amount of frames for just one card that end up tanking the overall game performance)

This prolly meant I have to redone the sprite sheet of my jokers (can't do the one in my old pc yet though sadly), but that's gonna be fine for me

[tribal moth]

honestly the only performance worry in the old system is the fact that every card on screen is being iterated over for each animated card

when more animated cards are being added, and the player has more cards because of OP shenanigans, the game's performance will degrade because this stuff has to be calculated within an update cycle (i.e. each tick or smth)

[opal hazel]

(I can't make heads or tails of this but I can tell this is gonna be really useful for game performance, stellar job Ointe!)

[agile flint]

Yeah, my main concern since back then is definitely when you have like multiple amount of cards that have considerable amount of frame gonna hurt faster than not animated at all, in which gonna set a limit for me on how many frames max I do per card that I assume it'll be fine, because I practically don't know how to test the perf degradation relation to frame count, thats why I tried to go below 100 as much as possible rn

[worn kindle]

the right accent on the name card is lower than it should be

im gonna explode

[tribal moth]

@ grahkon ok so what you do next is you raise that accent up, but then lower the other one, take a screenshot of it, and post it here for the funy

[worn kindle]

fuck you (/j)

[tribal moth]

oh yeah and add a pixel to one of the M's

[worn kindle]

i want to finish the dio WIP i have but i suck at drawing faces... (agonizing scream)

ughh how do i draw joker from joker poker balala...

[worn kindle]

i made the neck collar thing

wait...

[safe sapphire]

Please let me know of any updates you have on this! I think it could be a boon not only to this project, but the entire balatro modding community as a whole!

[worn kindle]

uhm i forgot to update but i need someone to finish the face (i balled so hard every where else tho, very happy that i came back to this) ((also its no longer atheist ig))

everything but the face is baller and a half, i just suck at drawing faces

also feel free to touch up on stuff elsewhere, all the help is appreciated

[safe sapphire]

In addition to that, I think it could use another boarder at the top. Also is this based on specific depiction of the god?

[worn kindle]

the body is based on perkeo, the hair being green is based on some depictions of dio with leaf hair, and the purple lips (from wine residue) and vine halo are for funzies.

basically, the brainchild of perkeo and google search's results

[safe sapphire]

Gotcha. Nice work so far!

[worn kindle]

tyty. ive gotten this done most of the way, i shall leave it to you to complete the peak.

[safe sapphire]

I should be able to at least get this done tonight. I still need to get hunting season done after I figure out how to patch ^chips on playing cards. Luckily, I believe I should have my primary system back at the end of the week so full work should be able to resume next week.

[worn kindle]

awesome. going to go ahead and put you on the credits for it and set it to claimed, cant wait.

also i feel like the colors for the body are kinda dissonant from other jokers, and the shading too. mostly just my style being different from other ones used, but just pointing that out.

[safe sapphire]

Yeah, this strays far from balatro black at points. Should be a realtively easy fix though

[worn kindle]

yeah, fair. the pains of using vibrant colors in my art

[tribal moth]

https://github.com/Oinite12/Ascensio-anim Here's what I've got so far - animated jokers already using animation object, most of the important code is within the "lib" folder; will write documentation for this soon

[velvet widget]

Eaten

Hear me out

What if it the left (our right) eye twitched

actually nvm idk how it's be doable

[safe sapphire]

It should be possible

[worn kindle]

hopefully witht the help of the anim fork

[celest wraith]

Since there is already an exotic joker that converts cards into gold cards (rex midas) for exponential mult, what about jokers like Steel Joker or Glass Joker?
Do they work similarly or differently

[safe sapphire]

While that can very much be on the table as part of the effect, Rex Midas specifically has that trait because it's mortal counterpart Midas Mask involved transforming cards into gold cards. The exponential mult was given as an even greater incentive to turn your cards gold as otherwise they wouldn't be worth having by the time you get an exotic. More than likely, the exodic enhancment jokers will do something in relation to their respective cards, so its reasonable to expect steel joker to have a similar effect.

[safe sapphire]

Also, still work in progress but this is what I currently have in my alterations of Dio

[silent forge]

Oh even legendary cards will be exotified?

That's cool

[safe sapphire]

Yes, even if it isn't that much of an increase in their effect it feels wrong not to do them to me

[silent forge]

Is that perkeo then?

[safe sapphire]

Yes

[silent forge]

Perkeo is already broken, how much more will it be?

[safe sapphire]

Right now on the doc we have it as create a pointer, but more than likely we are changing to making a negative copy of all non negative consumables held.

[grizzled tiger]

thats actually worse than perkeo

perkeo's main strength is copying the duplicates he creates

what i would do is i would have him duplicate the consumables when selecting blind and when ending round, and making the ultra-rare for each consumable type you have in your slots at the end of shops (not counting the ultra-rares themselves as spectrals)

e.g. you have a pluto:

start round: +1 negative pluto
end round: +1 negative pluto
end shop: +1 black hole and white hole

[safe sapphire]

Thats interesting

[grizzled tiger]

this means potentially infinite gateways if you have a spectral card up there

again not counting the ultra rares

[steep flame]

pretty interesting, yeah i was definitely the biggest critic of the pointer idea, but i didn't exactly have a better idea

[grizzled tiger]

this still retains the pointer idea too

because you get a pointer if you have a code card up there