Entropy - A Very Chaotic Balatro Mod

[gleaming thistle]

well, you picked the overpowered deck, you kind of expect to get the overpowered stuff

[bronze patio]

omw to retrigger an enhanced editioned flush 5 1 trillion billion times and get 50 billion entropy so the next spectral pack has only beyonds

[cinder parcel]

in any case, let me make things clear by saying i do understand that there are quite a handful of people who don't like the design choices i'm making with pwx

but that doesn't mean i will be unfriendly to anyone who might want to reach out and ask for collaboration

[gleaming thistle]

thats nice to hear :3

[slender anvil]

yeah but trying to account for compat stuff in pwx would be a lot more work than entropy, so like we'd be expecting extra help from you

[bronze patio]

making all of the inversed consumables will probably be a huge ordeal idk if im gonna do crossmod consumables on my end like at all

[cinder parcel]

and i'd love to try and help if lord ruby wants it to be a reality at some point in the future, it's one of the main things about being in a modding community

[bronze patio]

outside of inversions there probably isnt much to be done other than adding a bunch of keys to tables anywayy

[cinder parcel]

if they reject and don't want me to help at all, that's fine, i respect that decision, not every puzzle piece can fit with another

i just don't want people to think i'm trying to be an antagonist of modding or something like that

[high thunder]

i don't think you are at all

[bronze patio]

i have a list of all the crossmod relevant tables somewhere

is this something pinworthy if i post it?

[gleaming thistle]

ur doing ur best jen

[karmic vale]

It's your thread and mod, I'll pin it if you want me to

[bronze patio]

let me add some more comments then ill post it

[karmic vale]

@me when you want something pinned

[gleaming thistle]

im jealous of yalls drive to mod complex things

my adhd + laziness wont let me ough but at least I can do spritework

either way ill check on this chat tomorrow im gonna sleep

specially if entropy needs sprites hit me up cuz I adore this mod

[wet tusk]

yeahh modding is hard

[bronze patio]

@karmic vale

[cinder parcel]

i get people initially thinking "jen will just ban a lot of stuff in entropy" or something along those lines, but the thing is that entropy is designed to be unbalanced to oblivion in a similar way how pwx is

the only difference i can see is that entropy generally leans more towards the player's side in terms of unbalance, whereas pwx tries to retain equilibrium

[bronze patio]

i generally try to increase the maximum potential without doing anything too crazy otherwise but theres exceptions

ee is a notable one

oh wait i didnt comment ascendedtags

thats just for Exousia anyway

its just a table where the keys are the original tag and the values are the upgraded versions

[plush apex]

I mean give or take they kinda work pretty similar, I wouldn't imagine you being super strict abt entropy stuff

honestly all the bans don't bother me as long as I can toggle them off

[peak vigil]

honestly i think that both mods are really good like why do we even fight

[plush apex]

I mean they can coexist and idm

if anything I would want pwx to work with the mod because I'm a huge fan of getting 10 consumable slots, you don't know how much that means to me

[bronze patio]

btw ee is nearly done i actually did most of it really quickly

only nadir phase is left to code

and conceptualise

its fully undone

[rapid narwhal]

Does Entropy mess with UI? Almanac seems not to work properly (tension/relief system) with Entropy

[slender anvil]

they are not compatible right now so there will be issues

i dont remember if there was any ui mess

maybe entropic/zenith stake?

[plush apex]

I think ee does alter the UI a bit

[slender anvil]

i spose

[bronze patio]

ee shouldnt mess with this but deck of containment will

i think even when its disabled

[gleaming thistle]

whats this ee about...

[bronze patio]

endless entropy

[slender anvil]

ahhhh

i knew there was something i forgot

[bronze patio]

there isnt really a good solution since the elements would get in the way of eachother but i looked at the code and it should be just fine if youre not on that deck

[rapid narwhal]

So it works fine but I just can't see the numbers (tension, relief)?

[bronze patio]

yes

[rapid narwhal]

ok ty

[umbral rapids]

is it possible to make polterworx and entropy to work at the same time?

[gleaming thistle]

maybe once 0.1 comes out

polterworx's cryptid version doesnt have bignum support

[primal pulsar]

its not compatible YET

[weak olive]

sah dudes, how do you use the flipside card? is it for consumables?

[slender anvil]

so far it works on Planet, Code and Spectral cards

[weak olive]

ahh alr, thanks!

[bronze patio]

cards will have a little tooltip on them if you have flipside

[gleaming thistle]

oh good

remember to select the target card before the flipside

otherwise it wont let you use it

[bronze patio]

i want to balance this effect because its cool but i think the whole concept is just busted fundamentally

[tawny cedar]

last I tried, the game crashes as soon as you reroll while in that state

[weak olive]

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-of-u-jojo-gif-27710757

[bronze patio]

one of my favourite stands tbh

[weak olive]

ong

[umbral rapids]

is this a lot for dekatria?

[bronze patio]

no lol

[umbral rapids]

how did u oil lamp it this much?

well i have this

[bronze patio]

the oil lamp is below 1

to decrease the pair requirement

[umbral rapids]

so it decreases it?

[bronze patio]

it decreases the amount of pairs needed, the operator is immutable

[umbral rapids]

this has to be a lot

[bronze patio]

it is 😭

[umbral rapids]

yay

how about this?

[slender anvil]

its alright

[umbral rapids]

well its not entropy but i think this is not normal.

[slender anvil]

it's not regular but yknow

business is business

[gleaming thistle]

you can decrease values?

[bronze patio]

yes

with a glitched/misprinted oil lamp

[gleaming thistle]

inverse oil lamp would be funny methinks

[bronze patio]

literally only useful for dekatria

theres like 0 other situations where youd want th is

[gleaming thistle]

ive had a few

[bronze patio]

its specifically only useful because you can get the requirement below 1 and the mult above one then use epitachyno to exponentially manipulate values

which makes the requirement lower and the mult larger at the same time

i wont make it an actual joker its way too niche but i will keep the dekatria interaction in the game

[slender anvil]

it's only 0 if youre not careful, if you play carefully it can be useful in close to e-308 situations

[bronze patio]

yeah but when would you want this outside of like dekatria

and maybe some other niche situations

basically what im trying to say is that this is too niche for an actual joker

[slender anvil]

yea

you can use it to uhhhh, activate sapling faster

[gleaming thistle]

here it comes...

[bronze patio]

old ee sprite

and effect

[gleaming thistle]

well yeah I havent updated today yet

[slender anvil]

w

we have

there just has not been a release

[gleaming thistle]

no yeah I just havent updated at all

I just setup that neat autoupdate script though so that will save time

[gleaming thistle]

okay I have an idea about this

what if it was https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Regenerating_Scrap

[gleaming thistle]

whenever I type chicot into pointer i get tochic

gimmie my chicot...

[bronze patio]

no chicot allowed

[gleaming thistle]

nyooo

[slender anvil]

you only get the funny chicot

[gleaming thistle]

I only need my goat

[bronze patio]

is this for ee phase 2

or something else

cause if it is the debuffing is in your favor

[gleaming thistle]

no its just my only scoring joker

oh no there it is

oopsie

[primal pulsar]

yeah this one sucks so MUCH that i just can not fathom it

[bronze patio]

:3

[gleaming thistle]

what happens if you beat endless entropy

[bronze patio]

you win balala

[gleaming thistle]

does it appear later or

[bronze patio]

no

its meant to be difficult enough where if you manage to beat it you probably deserve to steamroll all the rest of endless

[slender anvil]

this is Balatro final boss

if you beat it you win

[gleaming thistle]

yeah that makes sense

[slender anvil]

you unlock balatro true ending

[bronze patio]

i mean of course if you barely beat it youre not gonna survive for long after but i think what i mean is understandable

that there doesnt really need to be a higher challenge afterwards

[slender anvil]

EE2 on A64

[gleaming thistle]

ante 64, endless entropy 2: hyperblind boogaloo

[bronze patio]

Endlesser Entropyer

[slender anvil]

exactly

you get it

[bronze patio]

hyper ee was a really ironic idea that was barely conceptualised 1 time before when ee was being thought of

[slender anvil]

i was just making showdowns and said, what if there was an ante 16 boss that just does all showdowns

then it got moved to a32

and changed some stuff

but yeah

[bronze patio]

moving it to ante 32 allowed for a lot more shenanigans which is fun

[slender anvil]

yea i like the changes

[bronze patio]

all showdowns is funny and its a pretty cool effect but for a final boss blind i think the current iteration is cooler

which includes all showdowns anyway

[slender anvil]

yea its a bit more extra

[bronze patio]

this was really ugly before so i redid it

[slender anvil]

[]w[]

[gleaming thistle]

this dont work great

[gleaming thistle]

huh

I thought he wasnt obtainable

[primal pulsar]

he always was, he's just pointless

overpowering the blind is better anyways

[gleaming thistle]

excuse me what the fuck

erm

[primal pulsar]

yeah negatives are kinda bugged

[wet tusk]

this should be fixed

update the mod via code -> download zip

[gleaming thistle]

idk what happened

I sold a juice and it happened

[gleaming thistle]

thats the thing

I just updated all my mods some hours ago

[wet tusk]

did you update it via download zip?

or via releases

[gleaming thistle]

yes

via source

[wet tusk]

hm

thats strange

it should have been fixed

[gleaming thistle]

I sold an orange juice and it happened

I fixed it though

by getting more joker slots

is there a link to the entropy discord in this channel?

[wet tusk]

i don't know if we're allowed to link servers here, so if you want to join i can dm you the link

[gleaming thistle]

itd be appreciated

[umbral rapids]

how do u decrease it?

[primal pulsar]

misprint deck

[umbral rapids]

what happens if i buy a deck in shop?

[rapid narwhal]

how do you do that?

[tawny lotus]

Nothing happens

Counts as you did Nothing

I did for funny and I was disappointed lol

[umbral rapids]

Ok

[slender anvil]

yet

[bronze patio]

they should work rn to varying degrees ie some will do stuff and some wont

[slender anvil]

hi ruby

[bronze patio]

hi

i just woke up

[slender anvil]

hello

isnt it 1pm for you?

[bronze patio]

yea

[umbral rapids]

it works if u buy misprint deck

[bronze patio]

some decks im gonna need to hardcode workarounds for but some of the cryptid and entropy ones should work fine

anything that applies a modifier to the run or does something in a specific contect, so misprint, twisted, glowing, critical etc should all work

everything that just adds discards or hands or slots or whatever doesnt rn

[umbral rapids]

alr

[bronze patio]

same sort of thing for buying sleeves if you have cardsleeves on too

[bronze patio]

all thats left is deciding on if i should ignore decks that modify the starting deck or do something with them

[slender anvil]

i'd ignire those

theres no good way to make them work interesting

[bronze patio]

alr

things like edition and sticker decks do partially work though

existing jokers and consumables and vouchers dont get converted but everything else does

[slender anvil]

like yeah you could have it reset your whole deck on the spot but uh

well checkered would turn all your clubs into spades and all diamonds into hearts

yellow deck: nonsensr

[bronze patio]

some of them could work but having it be inconsistent is probably worse than nothing

[bronze patio]

well yellow deck just gives you 10 dollars when you buy it

[slender anvil]

wormhole: why?

[bronze patio]

wormhole is really bad here too cause since anything can show up in the place of any card it doesnt even give an exotic

you lose 2 slots and then dont get an exotic

you just get some random other card

[slender anvil]

whabbout the negative spawn rate

[bronze patio]

i think it applies but i havent actually tested

[slender anvil]

well you COULD sell Parakmi before buying the deck

[bronze patio]

true i guess

but its really funny if you dont

yet another youtuber bait

iirc code-wise the negative rate should apply but idk if it does or not ill have to test

oh yeah nostalgic deck is the only other one that doesnt work rn

but thats gonna be a fuck ton of hardcoding so idk if i even wanna attempt it

wormhole negative rate should work

[gleaming thistle]

do edition decks appear?

cuz idk how they would work with eachother

[bronze patio]

its always your current selected edition

[slender anvil]

clever

[bronze patio]

i mean that was standard behaviour tbh i didnt even have to change that

[slender anvil]

nice

[umbral rapids]

what does entropy do?

[torn wave]

Cryptid is to vanilla as Entropy is to Cryptid

[tawny lotus]

Adds stuff

That is the equivalent of what cryptid does to vanilla

That's what he meant

[bronze patio]

if you want an actual rundown of the content i shall redirect you to the wiki but if you just generally want to know what my design philosphy is im trying to increase the maximum potential of cryptid whilst keeping the baseline balance mostly the same with a few exceptions

its going to be more op since youre always going to just be able to come across op content randomly same thing happens with exotics and epics but i try my best not to disturb it too much

i want it to be a slow roll or a puzzle to figure out how to exploit the games synnergies in the best way akin to how you have to play tboi to break the game

[gleaming thistle]

where is flush

[torn wave]

No

[bronze patio]

nil suit doesnt form flushes and nil rank doesnt form Xoak

[slender anvil]

nullwark

[bronze patio]

Nulltimate Pair

[pure shuttle]

i have

multiple questions

one why are you chips red and your mult is blue

second how

third what do i ask for the third question

[viral hollow]

where is the download link

that's the third question

[gleaming thistle]

what the fuck

I didnt notice that

[pure shuttle]

where is the pinned message

button

[gleaming thistle]

maybe its cartomancer? idkk

[viral hollow]

strange

[plush apex]

Zero of a Kind

[gleaming thistle]

NONE HAND GIVE IT UP FOR NONE HAND

[plush apex]

Clusternone

[bronze patio]

its sillyseals

also this is suit deck thats how

[tiny sand]

it's only natural that a silly mod has a silly bug

[south flower]

is there a known reason for why this mod crashes on startup or should i send a bug screenshot

[bronze patio]

send screenshot

its probably known though

[south flower]

will do

found out something more specific: not playing nice with talisman

[bronze patio]

if its big_num_blacklist related its old cryptid

you can fix it by downloading from code > download zip

[south flower]

for cryptid or entropy

[bronze patio]

cryptid

[south flower]

ah, had 2 also download the main for steammodded too

but now it works. thank u :D

[umbral rapids]

i was asking what this does

[karmic vale]

to_big(time)

[odd dust]

on startup

[tawny lotus]

Did you read the deck description

[gleaming thistle]

update your cryptid from main

[umbral rapids]

i couldnt find one

[slender anvil]

it reduces your chips and increases spawn rate of Beyond

like if you have a bunch of entropy you'll get hit with ^0.95 chips at the end of scoring

also PSA:

NEWEST VERSION OF ENTROPY WILL REQUIRE DEMICOLON BRANCH OF CRYPTID

so if you werent using that already you better update

[umbral rapids]

what demicolon🙏

[karmic vale]

https://github.com/SpectralPack/Cryptid/tree/demicolon2

[gleaming thistle]

the current one?

[slender anvil]

yea, ruby just added the Fractured edition which uses demicolon functionality

[umbral rapids]

if i update it through mod manager is it okay?

[gleaming thistle]

no

well not cryptid at least

[umbral rapids]

i have 2 joker ideas

1. Printer (exotic)
   creates 1 copy of the rightmost joker that was sold
2. Clock (legendary)
   gives +1 mult per second spent in game. You can buy upgrades (like buying slots with akyros) that make the time half. 1 in 10 chance that 1 upgrade is free at end of round. Increase the cost for upgrades 10x every upgrade.

[slender anvil]

so apparently this works

1 to 100 in 0.3s

[bronze patio]

i love chaos so much

omw to open a celestial pack and get 4 meme jokers and 1 reverse spectral

[tawny lotus]

What

[strange dome]

i think that a similar concept to Clock has already been done in Astronomica, a different absurd Cryptid mod. Go check it out!

[bronze patio]

also i dont really want to inventivise waiting around for a bigger socre its kinda boring

all you do is leave the game on overnight to win instantly

[wet tusk]

wait

3 random cards

how does that work

[bronze patio]

like demicolon forcetriggering but it chooses randomly between cards in hand, consumables for stuff like observatory, jokers and played cards

[wet tusk]

i see

that's really cool

[umbral rapids]

wait there is?

oh yh theres is nvm

[wet tusk]

it has but it gives chips instead

and doesn't have the extra bells and whistles

[gleaming thistle]

weather radio from paperback can disable endless entropy

destroy it.

or is EE phase 2 just broken this update

[bronze patio]

ee2 should work just fine

[strange dome]

ooo yea

[raven helm]

Is this from a red code card?

[bronze patio]

reverse pointer

[simple terrace]

Excuse me

[bronze patio]

whats wrong

[simple terrace]

This makes me want to create my own op jokers

That's better than kosmos I'm pretty sure

[pure shuttle]

entropy more like

entroPEAK

i think

[simple terrace]

I want your thought

Should I make a config option in my addon more mario Jokers to add very op mario jokers?

[slender anvil]

yup

kosmos is kinda lazy to get working, for {50000} Dekatria you really gotta have a carefully managed setup

way more rewarding than just getting a random rare soul and spamming saggitariuses

[pure shuttle]

are entropy addons allowed

im curious

[simple terrace]

Idk seems like bit recursive

[pure shuttle]

they probably are but i wanna confirm

[simple terrace]

Can prob make cross mod with it though

[bronze patio]

yes

wont be as peak though unfortunately i am divinely ordained

the god of entropy came down to me and told me to bring her creation into the world and so i did

i get visions of chaos and entropy in my sleep because of this

[pure shuttle]

entroposting tommorow

[raven helm]

Polterworx doesn't allow addons because the chain of dependencies that would generate as a result would be too large

Are you sure it's not a problem for your mod?

[bronze patio]

idc

its simply not my problem

[raven helm]

(thanks autocorrect for turning "mod" into "kid")

[bronze patio]

i dont really mind what people do tbh

other than like stealing from me or whatever dont do that obviously

[slender anvil]

thats a lame excuse, theres other reasons

[raven helm]

That's only part of the reason from what I remember, and also my wording might distort the exact intent

Ask Jen if you want to know the exact reason (without being disrespectful obviously, and possibly without needlessly pinging him)

Or try to backscroll in the Polterworx server, as it should be somewhere in there

[slender anvil]

i know what he said on the topic

[pure shuttle]

whatd he say

[bronze patio]

my worst idea yet

[mint dome]

Are you able to define jimbo to something then use delete on everything else to guarantee what you want

[bronze patio]

yes

[slender anvil]

lemme also drop the other stuff added today

[bronze patio]

recursive sprite might be a little boring tbh (i did it so i can say that) but its funny so

[slender anvil]

if it works it works

[bronze patio]

also other various misc things like define not sucking and you can disable blind tokens now since they are kinda unstable

[karmic vale]

is the ruby joker supposed show the description in the main menu

[wet tusk]

this is really cool but the coloring of the current suit seems inconsistent to other jokers that target random suits

doesn't seem like a big problem though

[gleaming thistle]

if im getting this right

if my wheel of fortune doesnt trigger, its never going to

[simple terrace]

Just realized this has op synergy with MMJ

[slender anvil]

with what

[simple terrace]

More Mario Jokers

It's a cryptid addon that adds more mario jokers including the old ones back into cryptid
But all mario jokers basicly synergies with the amount of jokers

[gleaming thistle]

paperback's clips dont get copied by constant

in fact it gets rid of them in the original card

this might be a problem for other modification types added by mods, not just paperback

[gleaming thistle]

where do I see the decks ive bought

there's no tab in the run info

am I like, missing a setting of some kind

yes I do have the latest update

no its not the latest release

[slender anvil]

wow youre good

parried me both times

[gleaming thistle]

do I need to enable the sleeve tab, I do have that one disabled

[slender anvil]

well, idk then, ruby should wake up soon, shes recently been waking up around 1h from now, so just wait for her

[slender anvil]

try it, maybe theyre connected

[gleaming thistle]

yep+

that was it

by the way ankyros doesnt work with credit card

[slender anvil]

forwarded to rubys dms

[slender anvil]

i assume you have the sleeves mod? these tabs are kinda inseparable otherwise

oh shes awake

nice

[gleaming thistle]

yaeh

[slender anvil]

that tracks

[gleaming thistle]

run's going real nicely

evil...

[bronze patio]

do not the fractured

[gleaming thistle]

I may have made a mistake

yeah my run is done ggs

[gleaming thistle]

expanding on this, decks also cannot be bought with credit card but maybe thats for the best

[bronze patio]

deck buying is weird rn in the sense that it needs an emtpy joker slot even though they dont go to the jokers tray

[slender anvil]

make decks invisibly negative for that sake?

something something

[bronze patio]

i can fix it really easily but i didnt even know about this until recently

[slender anvil]

then remove that when bought

[bronze patio]

nah i can just override the function that checks for space like cryptid does for tenebris and such

wait wtf nvm its my fault

i literally built a joker slots check into the deck buying function

probably a leftover from when that was the intended mechanic

[slender anvil]

lmao

fair nuff

[gleaming thistle]

the one that worries me the most is this

[bronze patio]

constant is weird and clips are also probably weird so thats why

also

[simple terrace]

I like the weird jokers I see coming from this

[dim swallow]

How? Does? This? Work?

[bronze patio]

if you have 0 ascension power it acts as if you have 1 then it multiplies your ascension power

x35 power is the same as +35 ascension factor when you have 0

[tawny lotus]

Simplest way to say it is that It multiplies the ascension power

I hope you know that..

Wait there's an entropy server

Where

[dim swallow]

I was more wondering about how I detects its condition for multiplication, and wether I can make that number become disproportinately large, like what happened to the joker thisis an inverted version of.

[bronze patio]

i manually update it every so often

and im gonna nerf the numbers if it gets too large

[dim swallow]

Aww. So I can't join the server and make it become times many thousands?

[bronze patio]

well youd get banned for spamming anyway

but you can increase it very slowly

[tiny sand]

CELESTE

[wet tusk]

what does this mean

like

high card levels up twice?

[bronze patio]

yes

[wet tusk]

how does this interact with black joles

[gleaming thistle]

Last time I used it high card was absorbing all my level ups

x2

[bronze patio]

if your most played hand isnt high card it will level up high card 6 times for every level taken

wait no

thats white hole

with black hole it just levels up white hole a ton

[wet tusk]

ah

im gonna love using this joker

since i often go for high card builds anyways

[slender anvil]

oh yeah btw, as promised, ruby nerfed Weld a bit, o7 fellow welders

[mint dome]

is the newest version of this mod compatible with polterworx?

[bronze patio]

when that mod updates to 0.0.9 it will be

[pure shuttle]

can we have a new rarity called entropic 2

[bronze patio]

lil bro dont know about zenith

[pure shuttle]

entropic 2

[simple terrace]

download?

nvm foudn it

[simple terrace]

why does it remove the buttons

your mod i dont understand

[bronze patio]

what buttons

[simple terrace]

the buttons

[bronze patio]

???

[simple terrace]

gimmie a sec

[bronze patio]

mod incompat

if you have polterworx its them not updating fast enough since i already gave the solution

[simple terrace]

almanac?

[bronze patio]

yea

[simple terrace]

damn

so i cant have almanac

or polterworx

[bronze patio]

yea not until 0.9 comes out

[simple terrace]

um?

isnt it supposed to be yknow inverted?

[bronze patio]

twisted pack automatically inverts cards and inversions go both ways

[simple terrace]

Oh

[bronze patio]

so twisted packs just turn into normal consumable packs

[simple terrace]

is this entropy crash it happend when i opened a spectal back

[bronze patio]

idk why this happens the log doesnt really give any insight here

[simple terrace]

hmm

[simple terrace]

can you send me what you use it crashed again

[bronze patio]

you mean the mods i have enabled?

[simple terrace]

YEAH

[bronze patio]

gimme a sec

[simple terrace]

like exact versions

[bronze patio]

for cryptid its the latest dev build from the demicolon2 branch for entropy same but the main branch for everything else ill just screenshot it since i got them from releases

[simple terrace]

any chance you could send a zip maybe something updated

[bronze patio]

i can send everything except entropy and cryptid

since they are too big

[simple terrace]

k

[simple terrace]

its justa bug

thats all i have mod wise

[bronze patio]

huh

ill see if i can fix it

[simple terrace]

if i were to guess this si where it would be

[bronze patio]

perhaps

idk why though

[simple terrace]

xis it supposed to return create card or a table like the bottom one

[bronze patio]

cause i never encountered a crash with that

[simple terrace]

im on latest commit

[bronze patio]

prob not

[simple terrace]

just if you create a fix tell me

[bronze patio]

i got a crash too huh

beyond apparantly doesnt exist

what

[simple terrace]

huh i wonder wehy

[bronze patio]

thematic set stuff prob

try now

[simple terrace]

il try

nope

[bronze patio]

huh

it fixed a crash i was experiencing but not that

can you send me Mods/lovely/dump/card.lua

[simple terrace]

sure

[bronze patio]

alr thanks

ill see what i can do

[simple terrace]

this was code????

[bronze patio]

whatd you do to cause this

[simple terrace]

open a code pack ion show on the inverted deck

it only happends some times

[bronze patio]

i havent experienced this at all

its not something i fixed even ive just never seen it

[simple terrace]

huh

[bronze patio]

i recreated it

but idk what the issue actually is

[simple terrace]

way to recreate

Step 1 : play on twisted deck yellow sleeve

step 2: create a bunch of spectal tags or console tags

step 3: open them by skipping small blind

oh ok

[bronze patio]

its payload

which means rootkit isnt loading

try updating entropy

[slender anvil]

Katarraktis today

[sacred marten]

where's the link for this mod? sorry im not good at discord

[slender anvil]

#1355287963151368233 message

here you go

[sacred marten]

thank you so much

[slender anvil]

you have 25 mods, i cant read this

[simple terrace]

nvm want this issue

wasnt*

[fresh magnet]

This would go hard with Enhanced Steel Deck

[simple terrace]

question how did you get the number after operator to be so big

[bronze patio]

oil lamp below 1

decreases the requirement for pairs

[simple terrace]

bu ther numbe after operator

[slender anvil]

that you can normally value manip

you can value manip the number after the operator, and the requirements, but not the operator itself

[simple terrace]

how do i do one not the other

[slender anvil]

you need to get requirements lower than 1 and number after operator bigger than 1

[simple terrace]

oh huh

[slender anvil]

then you need Epitachyno to scale these both insanely hard in 2 different directions

yeah and now you need to value manip it up, wont work til you get the number after operator above 1

tho it will also increase the requirements to the point where its not achievable

[bronze patio]

btw smg have you noticed anything performancewise with entropy

[simple terrace]

not really i dont think

[bronze patio]

people report it being laggy but i think i might have fixed it so i wanna check

[karmic vale]

isnt this supposed to be fractured edition

[bronze patio]

yes

[karmic vale]

i got it from destiny spectral and it isnt editioned

[bronze patio]

destiny might be doing weird stuff tbh

ill check it out later but lmk if you see the same issue elsewhere

[karmic vale]

ok

I crashed when i used the ascended neutron star

this

[bronze patio]

hm

[karmic vale]

I used global on a linked card and it didnt apply to the linked cards

[bronze patio]

sticker application is kinda janky with linked rn ill fix that soon though

[karmic vale]

ok

also i get a crash when playing this card

[bronze patio]

seems like out of date entropy to me but idk if the issue is fixed in the newest dev build or not because line 283 of seals is just a closing bracket

[karmic vale]

I'll update it

[slender anvil]

same issue with SEED + Constant

[bronze patio]

same issue with all stickers rn i believe

but im off to bed now

[slender anvil]

nini

[sacred marten]

how can i fix this please?

[weak olive]

Is it wanted that the planetarium joker doesn't make the ascended planets free?

[lime granite]

some jokers did nothing

[bronze patio]

reverse consumables being treated as normal ones is something I need to go review on a case by case basis at some point

[karmic vale]

oh btw the code? cards don't stack with incantation

[outer latch]

what does forcetrigger mean and whats the diffrence between that and a normal retrigger

[slender anvil]

it ignores the condition, triggers unconditionally

[outer latch]

can i get an example?

[slender anvil]

for example, Queen's Gambit triggers when a Royal Flush is played, and spawns a negative Rare joker

forcetriggered Queen's Gambit would spawn a negative Rare joker every time it's forcetriggered, no matter what hand you play

[outer latch]

and when does semicolobn forcetrigger the joker

[slender anvil]

not all jokers are forcetrigger-compatible yet, but that part is in active development for the last week

[outer latch]

on blnd start/end

[slender anvil]

during joker scoring phase

when most jokers trigger

[outer latch]

ah ok

[unkempt violet]

do i need to update my smods or is this another issue

[bronze patio]

this seems like there was a deck somewhere in your run that doesnt exist anymore but idk how that would occur

so its probably not that

but its reminiscent of when that happens with other object types

[unkempt violet]

everything loaded successfully but it crashed with this before it got to the main menu

okay so i removed entropy from my folder and this error still happens so it seems like it isn’t an issue with entropy itself

idk what the issue could be

issue has bewn fixed, i think i accidentally removed a mod (not sure what mod) and it was causing the game to error out

[bronze patio]

full entropy rewrite from scratch at some point

i want to remove all the jank and fix all the lag

[unkempt violet]

played the mod a bit, really fun

[simple terrace]

ARE THEY SUPOS TO MULTIPLY

[bronze patio]

no but they are negative and infiniteuse anyway so it doesnt matter

ill fix that though

[simple terrace]

oh ok

[bronze patio]

https://discord.gg/beqqy4Bb7m

[slender anvil]

swap Code? and Blind

[bronze patio]

oh yeah

that would look better

[slender anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-gleep-glorp-hatsune-miku-alien-gif-5498891198481220587

[plush apex]

if you get 5 rankless suitless flesh cards it should be classified as a wall of flesh

[bronze patio]

lmao

[primal pulsar]

i agree

[dapper magnet]

wanted to add this mod but

[bronze patio]

update cryptid via code > download zip instead of from releases

[dapper magnet]

aight ill try ty

[bronze patio]

itll hopefully be unnecessary when the next cryptid release rolls out

to do it that way

[dapper magnet]

I guess almanac isnt up to date with cryptid in their modpack

[bronze patio]

yea

[dapper magnet]

well I did and it still, gave me the same log

[pure shuttle]

add tetrationa to entropy where its exponentia but it gains ^^0.03 mult whenever ^mult is triggered fr

[slender anvil]

meh

boring

[dapper magnet]

0.5.5b is the latest right, if so I did download it and put it in but yeah as i said

[slender anvil]

we want freaky jokers

[slender anvil]

well you might want to get 0.5.5d

[dapper magnet]

well I hope I did it right then

well it loads, but a few of the mods are now missing dependencies

[slender anvil]

progress

[dapper magnet]

i guess so

[tawny lotus]

Transcendant joker
Turns the hand transcendant
Wait what's the formula (or whatever) for transgender transcendant hands

[dapper magnet]

actually

entropy doesnt even LOAD with demicolon

it says missing dependency cryptid

[tawny lotus]

What

Well cryptid has a problem too

So maybe that's why

[dapper magnet]

yeah trying to fix it

thing is i found talisman but i cant find whatever that steamodded version is

[vivid patrol]

update: smods, cryptid, and talisman. Delete old folders before updating (hint: use these links since they're always on the latest version)

[karmic vale]

use this smods @dapper magnet

[dapper magnet]

I was told to use the demicolon one?

but sure

[bronze patio]

for cryptid use demicolon yes

[slender anvil]

nono use demicolon

[bronze patio]

for the others this tag is right though

[slender anvil]

entropy uses a bunch of demicolon functionality so you wanna get demicolon branch

[bronze patio]

well a bunch is kinda a stretch but a few things will just break the game and its easy to install anyway

[pure shuttle]

entropy and demicolon are actually dating

can you believe it guys

[slender anvil]

theyre not enemies, theyre girlfriends, kissing and squishing they boobs yknow

the classics

[pure shuttle]

Jovial Merryment

[bronze patio]

this is why anaptyxi boobs are tomorrow

obviously dr sunshine is a gender doctor cant believe you guys didnt know this

[dapper magnet]

im confused now do i use the one marble joker told me to use or demicolon????

[bronze patio]

use demicolon for cryptid

use what marble said for everything else

[pure shuttle]

scalae boobs WILL be in joseph's big naturals

[dapper magnet]

oh okay

[pure shuttle]

dont be fooled

[slender anvil]

Marble is not on top of the news with Entropy, Ms Entropy is Entropy's lead dev and knows best

[bronze patio]

i was born in the entropy they merely adopted it

but it is correct for everything other than cryptid

pretty sure

[pure shuttle]

evil tenebris

-25 joker slots

LOSE $25 at the end of the round

[slender anvil]

technically Akyros can do -25 joker slots

[pure shuttle]

EVIL crustulum

this joker LOSES 4 chips per reroll in the shop

rerolls cost $NANEINF

[slender anvil]

die

[bronze patio]

evil crustulum is ieros

lil bro never even played entropy

[pure shuttle]

but i have......................

[karmic vale]

e, E, Σ, - -

[slender anvil]

e e s

[primal pulsar]

i am quite fond of this

[chilly vortex]

kid named Astronomica

[burnt kelp]

@bronze patio Where do I download this?

[dapper magnet]

they have a server you can join

[dapper magnet]

https://discord.gg/beqqy4Bb7m

here ye go

[tawny lotus]

Peak

Instead of scales it's ||🍈 (no boob emoji 😔)||

[wet tusk]

smth similar to this is in astronomica

[bronze patio]

i will not do this for other reasons anyway

literally just exponentia with increased operators is boring

and id rather do something more interesting for exponentia++

[wet tusk]

agreed

i almost scrapped tetratia for this very reason but i thought the "anything" gimmick was interesting enough to keep it

[torn wave]

every time any operation of mult is triggered, add an equivalent value of the next operation to this Joker (itself excluded)

[bronze patio]

theres a good reason why dekatria and helios are the only entropics that are primarily scoring rn and thats because i suck at coming up with ideas

iterum++ could probably be operator manipulation of other jokers

[torn wave]

also may i propose a suggestion for Igiulaw

[bronze patio]

since having more triggers is still better which is what i wanna keep

sure

[torn wave]

All triggers give ^1.01 Mult

or maybe ^1.05

[bronze patio]

^chips prob instead of mult to keep up the reverse legendary pattern but i like it

[torn wave]

ah okie

[bronze patio]

outside of membership card all the other scoring reverse legendaries use chips instead of mult

[torn wave]

Oiraw: All triggers give X$1.05

[bronze patio]

i love x$

[torn wave]

maybe also a continuous 25% discount to shop prices

batshit insane econ time

[bronze patio]

oiraw could be stacking shop discounts (probably temporarily) but idk about that

x$ is pretty cool already

[torn wave]

Rekoj Elbisivni Ciglatson: Jokers have a 25% chance to create a Negative copy when purchased

purchased, to prevent Entropic duping outside of DOE

[bronze patio]

chance might want to be higher since nostalgic invis is really busted but i like that too

[torn wave]

maybe also add Legendaries appearing in the shop to Oiraw's thing, and maybe give Igiulaw a bonus passive effect to make them thematically similar

nerf their numbers to compensate?

[torn wave]

33%

[torn wave]

oh, i know: Increase Igiulaw's value by .03 every time an Epic or higher Joker is obtained

so Oiraw and Igiulaw synergize

[weak olive]

Does oiraw have an effect

[torn wave]

yes

[weak olive]

me when i get an idea slightly too late:🦐

[torn wave]

wouldnt be talking about synergies if it didnt

[jaunty jay]

Would Oiraw and Igiulaw have their cap/shirt colors swapped with their overalls colors? Would anyone even get that reference?

[bronze patio]

idk tbh

the other reverse legendaries outside of membership dont have unique floating sprites

[primal pulsar]

seedable or fixed?

[jaunty jay]

Fair. Might be funny to just swap the Mult red of the main 5 out to Chip blue since three of them have a Mult effect that became a Chip effect.

[slender anvil]

didnt we have this

well there were changes so now youd make a negative absolute copy

and i think a fixed 25% chance is also a nice way to flip it

[wet tusk]

PLEASE

[bronze patio]

me when i weld

[slender anvil]

straight up welding it

and by it

haha

wel

lets justr say

25% of my jokers

yeah i also suggested those a sec ago

[torn wave]

33%

[primal pulsar]

I said
Seedable or not?

[torn wave]

it's not a probability, it's a percentage

[torn wave]

may i offer an entropic idea

[bronze patio]

sure

[torn wave]

the shop now has up to Exotics available to purchase, ^0.5 shop prices

oh shit this overlaps with ieros doesnt it

[slender anvil]

yeah

like a lot

[torn wave]

lmfao i just remembered it existed

[slender anvil]

ieros already spawns exotics sometimes 😔

im sorry to tell you but...
entropy already did it

[bronze patio]

fun fact ieros can spawn entropics too

[torn wave]

hmm

• food jokers double in values every time they would decrement or be actively destroyed
• create a negative food joker every round

[bronze patio]

its a lot easier to see if you have more than 1 since they stack

[wet tusk]

yknow whats funny

this would effectively make birthday cake better than crustulum

[bronze patio]

also btw this stacks too

[wet tusk]

in ascensio

[bronze patio]

it adds 1 more option for every copy

[torn wave]

do you like

[bronze patio]

its interesting

[weak olive]

What if something made rarities behave in reverse? Commons become entropic, uncommons exotic, rare legendaries, and epics... epics

[pure shuttle]

pseudo ascensio? i guess? sure?

[weak olive]

ok dude

[pure shuttle]

im trying to

like

say what i think

im tired as shit rn so maybe thats why

[karmic vale]

can you make the cryptid card not dissolve when you go to the menu? its making me and glitch go insane, eaither leave it or lovely patch it out or something 😭😭

[north blaze]

why is the last one still m

[primal pulsar]

Baaaaaro

❤️‍🩹

[tawny lotus]

Baacryptidentropybulgoero

[slender anvil]

right, morse...

should prolly change that

[slender anvil]

trailer material?

[weak olive]

powerful

[acoustic kraken]

how can I solve this?

[slender anvil]

first of all almanac is incompatible

hasnt been updated recently

2 we just had a 0.4.1 release so get that

[acoustic kraken]

it still doesn't work.

[torn wave]

check to see if you have the right cryptid/talisman/smods

[acoustic kraken]

I've installed the newest version of cryptid,talisman and smod, and it's the same error

[slender anvil]

you have a pretty big modlist, and as far as i know not all of them are compatible with bignum blacklist

though i dont know which ones

#i-need-help would prolly know tho

[bronze patio]

you have to update cryptid via code > downoad zip anyway

instead of from releases

[slender anvil]

yeah, get the demicolon branch, 0.5.5a is old old

[acoustic kraken]

how do I get demicolon?

[acoustic kraken]

thanks, it's working now. are prism and opandoras box compatible?

[slender anvil]

no clue, im not well versed in all the mods, just the few i really love

[pure shuttle]

i debugplus'd entropic tag and when the tag took effect the game crashed before it could spawn the entropic jokers

it wasnt like

a crash

but like

Balatro is not responding.

[bronze patio]

idk whats up with that tag tbh

[pure shuttle]

it might be similar to the cryptposting mythic tag issue

[bronze patio]

probably

but its weird cause ascendant exotic tags worked from my testing

so its not just modded rarities being weird iirc

[jaunty turret]

Holy shit glitched crown

[raven helm]

Unlike a real lottery, the Expected Value of this joker is such that you end up money positive most of the time

[karmic vale]

it's bulgoe

[peak vigil]

im sorry i thought it would be funny

ill shut my yap now

[arctic rivet]

i find the next thing to completely destroy.

we go.

E

[arctic rivet]

help @bronze patio

[primal pulsar]

Are you using the Demicolon branch of Cryptid?

[dim swallow]

Do Blueprint/Brainstorm have their exotic versions already? (Asking because I have an idea if one of them doesn't.)

[wet tusk]

wrong channel

[floral osprey]

is that what i need to run the mod?

[karmic vale]

Yes

[torn wave]

🌞

[arctic rivet]

you made this emoji a joker.

aHhhhhhhHHhhH

[slender anvil]

no, i did

[floral osprey]

where do i get it?

[slender anvil]

.

[floral osprey]

thanks

[slender anvil]

@torn wave you're online, please just pin it, we get this question twice a day, unless the merge is in like 2 minutes then whatever

[floral osprey]

merge?

[torn wave]

boop

[slender anvil]

thank you <3

[floral osprey]

steammodded needs to be updated? im not good at modding stuff alot

[slender anvil]

yeah you definitely need another smods version

[floral osprey]

the latest? or is it a specific one

[slender anvil]

im not 100% sure, there was an issue but apparently its fixed in the newest version

[floral osprey]

alr

[trim pewter]

insane spectral pack

[polar burrow]

How you install entropy

[weak olive]

Pray

[trim pewter]

does deck of containment also increase gateway odds

[slender anvil]

yes

[primal pulsar]

pinned messages

Also make sure your Cryptid is on the demicolon branch

[polar burrow]

how do i see if my cryptid is in the demicolon branch?

[slender anvil]

version would be 0.5.5d

but also the branch just got merged so you can just get the main branch

[polar burrow]

My version is this

No

[slender anvil]

b?

[polar burrow]

My version is 0.5.5b

[slender anvil]

yeah, update cryptid

[polar burrow]

Howww

[slender anvil]

look at pins, just get the green button and download zip

ignore the first 2 steps

[polar burrow]

Where is the pins

Where is the green button

😦

😭

[polar burrow]

Ok, i will see

And…?

[slender anvil]

it says you need to update these 2 mods, so update these 2 mods

[polar burrow]

How?😭😭😭😖

[slender anvil]

the same way

[polar burrow]

Ohhh gosh

[polar burrow]

.

[polar burrow]

.?

[slender anvil]

get on the github page of a given mod and download tthe current version through green button

i gtg so go to #i-need-help if you need more

[polar burrow]

Ok friend

[polar burrow]

WORKS

OHHHHH THANKS BRUH

[gleaming thistle]

demicolon branch is deprecated now so its time to change the image

[visual estuary]

how do i solve the crash?

[gleaming thistle]

get the latest cryptid

no, not the release

the latest main cryptid

[exotic fern]

what does this mean?

[vocal imp]

elite ball knowledge

[primal pulsar]

bingus cube

[chilly ingot]

Anaptyxi + scalae is op af

[wet tusk]

true

[gleaming thistle]

why is bingus a cube..

[wet tusk]

my fucking god i only just now got the reference

on deviled suns

[primal pulsar]

i didn't

i'm just loling at bingus cube

[main shuttle]

is that a mother fucking geometry dash reference

[visual estuary]

happens when oppening a code? pack

cant even continue the run bcs when i continue it just starts opening again and ccrashes

[arctic rivet]

egg

[strong berry]

uhh

edit: updated cryptid and it works

[slender anvil]

i was confused abt why the suns were blacked out like that, but now i learned abt devil vortex

[hollow ocean]

wheres the download link for this?

[karmic vale]

Pins

[arctic rivet]

hi @bronze patio

[bronze patio]

hello

[pure shuttle]

heres to the entropies that already did it

[chilly ingot]

Is there shader edits for android to work?

[burnt kelp]

I got the newst version of Entropy but it crashes now.

[glacial zodiac]

@bronze patio hello myster- uhhh- it borked.

just trying to get it downloaded into it borked

[peak vigil]

update cryptid

download it from code > download .zip instead of releases

also update steamodded and talisman too

i think you also need to do that

[wraith umbra]

eae

@bronze patio

[wraith umbra]

ama gona explode

[bronze patio]

idk what causes this tbh

i would try doing a fresh install of everything

[wraith umbra]

well fu-

im cooked

im just gonna play without entropy cuz im way too tired to start reinstalling everything

[chilly ingot]

thoughts on making dekatria immutable?

[chilly ingot]

having to play 2000 pairs to go from =13 to +13 mult is fun

[shut barn]

🌞

[primal pulsar]

playing 3oak/4oak/5oak+ scales it faster

[chilly ingot]

xekanos too strong i think, blind got too small

[simple terrace]

How are you getting it to work with polterworx

[chilly ingot]

Idk, didn't do anything special except install latest version

[simple terrace]

Huh

[bronze patio]

see i would but mutable dekatria makes entropy more powerful than pwx so i cant

im very spiteful

[bronze patio]

868 misc functions crash was something i was getting when testing pwx with entropy and its related to modulate sound

my fix was to manually edit the patches for the mod to not be doing weird stuff for no reason

i would prob wait to see what happens in 0.9 cause this seems like something jen could easily fix especially since they are meant to be compatible then

[pure shuttle]

i entropía to ékane ídi
^^1 mult for every joker you have a copy of

[gentle bluff]

Things are breaking...

[slender anvil]

intended behaviour™️

[arctic schooner]

yo just checking where is the demicolon?

trying to get POLTERWORKX & Entorpy to work together

[slender anvil]

💀

demicolon has been merged to Main now, so you dont have to bother with that

[arctic schooner]

ah

[slender anvil]

tho making it work with pwx will take a bit more work than that, which i dont know how it works

[arctic schooner]

the only thing i get is whitelist problems

[arctic schooner]

so how do i fix that?

[slender anvil]

i have no idea

[arctic schooner]

*Cryptid.mod_whitelist["Entropy"] = false
if not Cryptid.mod_gameset_whitelist then Cryptid.mod_gameset_whitelist = {} end
Cryptid.mod_gameset_whitelist["entr"] = false
Cryptid.mod_gameset_whitelist["Entropy"] = false

Cryptid.pointerblistifytype("rarity", "entr_entropic")
Cryptid.pointerblistifytype("rarity", "entr_zenith")
Cryptid.pointerblistify("c_entr_define")
for i, v in pairs(G.P_BLINDS) do
Cryptid.pointerblistify(i)
end

for i, v in pairs(SMODS.Blind.obj_table) do
Cryptid.pointerblistify(i)

end*

it was originally true but i turned it to false and didn't work

[plush apex]

polterworx hasn't been made usable for entropy yet

wait a week approximately imo

[outer latch]

in the mean time use this guide

[vale mural]

i know i probably have too many mods to diagnose but this crash started appearing randomly when i go into a shop, after i downloaded the newest version of entropy
this also shows up randomly when starting a blindd

[chilly ingot]

Beyond doesn't banish jokers anymore?

[slender anvil]

yeah there are some changes underway

theres been discussions about harsh punishments for using Gateway/Beyond heavily discouraging their use

[chilly ingot]

Hmmm, maybe. But can't you just sell jokers before using beyond? imo entropic jokers outweigh the banish effect

[slender anvil]

the argument is it halts the run's momentum

like if you're on a high ante, and the beyond doesnt give you a scoring joker but an utility one... then it just instantly kills you

there will be a price for taking the consumables, it just will be different

[glad crown]

how do you pass nameless nadir?

i tried losing and that doesnt work either

[tawny lotus]

You need to lose to win

Wait what

Huh

How does that not work
Isn't that the point

[glad crown]

when i lose i just lose

[bronze patio]

nameless nadir is janky rn and im gonna fix it

but you are meant to lose on purpose

[midnight wraith]

truthnuke.gif

[scenic sluice]

Actually, no! beyond disabled all sell/use buttons while it's on screen

[bronze patio]

also it doesnt even banish anymore

and im testing out an alternative downside

[brazen timber]

wheres the download

nvm