Necro/Summoner: Leysie's Guide to Necromastery (For v0.11.6 and beyond)

[reef trout]

uhh xD i suggest farming the pumpkin headgear xD it's prolly like one of the BiS atm for necro based on my tests

this guide is super outdated after necro release xD better not use it atm xD

[sick cedar]

mmmk, starting as a new player to the game. so i'm still getting used to farming for proper gear :C

So lvl 10 summoner :C

[reef trout]

well uhh xD basically you just equip something that sounds better that you get xD that's the way for now since guides are outdated, necro just released like 2 days ago

you can also go check at #summoner

and get the input of other new summoner players and some inputs of other old summoner players who already advanced xD

[rancid spire]

ohhh really? hmm i need more advice o_o I just swapped to necro after sitting in swamp for the past 30 minutes LOL

it's different after playing BONK priest the entire time o-o

[reef trout]

it's very different xD

my current necro build requires 300++ apm to execute properly

https://giphy.com/gifs/boWLvNrmlq05Q4GatU

here's a gif of the main rotation (the sub rotations and supp rotations arent included yet xD)

[rancid spire]

🤯

[reef trout]

what you need advise on tho XD

[rancid spire]

IDK it's all overwhelming 😮

hahaha i'll figure it out

[reef trout]

i guess pumpkin hat is a starting point xD

[rancid spire]

just gotta sit here and read

Yes!

LOLOL

[reef trout]

get an str atk version and str matk version

you'll need both to balance your build soon

[rancid spire]

you whaaaat

with my luck it'll come out AGI

[reef trout]

i actually got like 7 perfect agi ;-;

never got the str matk one xD got one str atk tho xD

[rancid spire]

oh if i get one then it's all yours

i'm a bonker anyways

i don't need bis :x

[reef trout]

nah im good xD it's not part of my build atm xD but it's like BiS i think for 70% of the builds

there's like n amount of possible builds for necro atm that deals 4m average

so yeah... im just gonna generalize it as 70% of the builds xD

[rancid spire]

is there a lazy one where i just tell the minions to do my bidding?

[reef trout]

yeah xD i think the pumpkin hat is the perfect one for that xD

[rancid spire]

HAHA

okieeee thank you as always 😄

[reef trout]

pair it with the sanctum gloves and the gift box from tundra and you get almost invlunerable skellies xD almost xD

[rancid spire]

keyword almost

:x

[reef trout]

np xD your bonk guide also helped me xD

[rancid spire]

LOL it's very outdated even though it's only been like a month 🙁

so many changes!!!!!

[reef trout]

true.. same goes for this guide, got outdated in a day lol

[rancid spire]

LOL

well we appreciate your efforts

[reef trout]

anyways xD good luck building your necro xD it's a lot of fun, so many possibilities atm

[rancid spire]

okie dokie. appreciate you!

[steep plume]

@reef trout you think AA auto cast necro gonna be viable?

[reef trout]

there's already been some builds like that xD sorry for late reply

[lucid aurora]

I’m wouldn’t the jack-o’-lantern hat still lock us into some kind of auto attack build ?

I thought the game was going away from that

I understand there is 3 or 4 necro play styles right now ( I have no idea what’s good at what ) but hoping “ lazy summoner “ type comes along

[steep plume]

No worries mate, I'll wait for your iteration.

[steep plume]

the game needs aggressive and guard mode for summons/pets.

[lucid aurora]

Yeh it absolutely does - I dip back
In every month or so and it appears like everything always points back to auto attacking with a hat on.

It’s cool there is caster necro, spin necro. Bone necro.

But traditional summoner style necro ?

[steep plume]

The problem is that we don't have much options in base summoner. The gameplay leans towards us doing AA because there really is nothing for us to do. The CC/debuff skills we have ain't really doing much. And the pet damage isn't doing much either if we don't follow up wit Auto Attacks.

[lucid aurora]

Yeh there is a Portuguese YouTube video I found saying it’s doing 1 mil with just the necro summoners - but unsure if a mil is good or bad .

I just don’t think the dev / inner circle like traditional summoner, but I’m
Sure they don’t want us just auto attacking

[steep plume]

I think it's decent, but not much compared to other classes, i think even priest out DPS summoner, and they are both supposed to be supports.

Is priest overtuned? I really don't think so, but summoner is undertuned or lack identity.

[lucid aurora]

I think it’s more too much identity

Did necro really need 4 different play styles in the one tree ?

I’m amazed that the necro summoners top line is so few. 3 skeletons , 2 mages. Needs double that

[steep plume]

I think they took inspiration from the regular necro gameplay and GW2s necro, where you DPS using scythes.

I agree that the number of summons is cute

more of a pet master than a summoner even in base

we should even have skills that summons or conjures summons for a few secs to deal damage or do CC/debuff.

Too many skill options but majority does the same, i really think the class lacks imagination.

[lucid aurora]

Yeh I dunno, someone will work it out. It just doesn’t really hit the brief of a minion master necro summoner type

Your right it’s more gw2 necro / reaper x wit d2 necro with all the bone stuff.

Just has a lacking minion summoner side

[steep plume]

Yeah i totally agree with you, everyone picking summoner or necro is here because of summons or minions. And we don't really have much of those. The summons feels really weak aswell.

[lucid aurora]

I think there is a fair bit of gatekeeping in the necro channel - so who knows what people have discovered. But yeh it doesn’t scream minion class to me

[steep plume]

you know what, Tree of Savior implemented this really good, but we all know what happened so its eh haha

Summons needs more oompf in their skills or damage, especially the main summon. then we have the cannon fodders or meat shields, then supports

[lucid aurora]

I think that’s too traditional summoner for what this game seems to be going for

It’s just every class iv played seems to be auto attacks

Anyway, will check back into this chat in the morning - got to sleep ! Cya

[steep plume]

I think Wiz has the best implementation of build diversity where AA is not the best and only option.

[reef trout]

i think there are more than 4 builds atm (at least that i tested of), maybe around 15 builds that can hit 4m++ dp10. it's for the user to find the build that they want, minion builds are included in this xD

[lucid aurora]

Is there a lazy summoner style that hits 4m +? I noticed you mentioned in the other thread that minions don’t do much bosses.

Yeh it’s up to us to find a style w like but need help from smarter people to make it work haha

[reef trout]

i'll ping you on a relatively lazy-ish build in necro chat

[lucid aurora]

Thank you will try it - but it’s so sad sad everything is an auto attacker

[reef trout]

but you wanted a "lazy" build, almost all "lazy" build are auto attacker xD

i have a 400 apm build, it's currently the highest damage dealing bossing build, but it requires you to have 300++ apm to make it work, and it's not an auto attacker xD

if you want that, i can give you the build

[lucid aurora]

300 attaks per minute ? Like pressing skills 300 times .

I want a traditionally summoner - let’s your pets do everything , then when you get to bossing you play more actively

[reef trout]

300 actions per minute xD also chelly's build that i tagged you is like that, auto attacking minions.

well mainly the sting

so it's technically a minion build xD

[lucid aurora]

But are you auto attacking, or the minions ?

And it uses the boss sting ?

[rancid spire]

honestly, i don't even know what the minions are doing but they're doing damage LMAO

the pumpkin is dope

although the spinarooni build seems fun

[lucid aurora]

yeh you almost want 3 seperate necros, minion, spin melee, and a caster

[rancid spire]

The minions mimic abilities right?

[steep plume]

they have their own set of skills

[rancid spire]

lmao when i was wearing the pumpkin hat i thought the mages were mimicing my death coil LOL

okay so they have death coil

that probably makes more sense :x

[reef trout]

they mimic autocasts xD

or rather they autocast too xD

[uneven lion]

@reef trout Can you pin me that build. Currently using Death Nova and Turtle 🐢 but all my minions were so weak.

[rancid spire]

Having a hard time finding a build I like 😮
Can't tell if I want to do autoattack or spinarooni or the cast 😮

but I also dn't want to be back when I was playing starcraft LOL

[steep plume]

I think AA is just too convenient, really good for older people lol

[rancid spire]

oh that's me

[steep plume]

you are not alone lmao

[lucid aurora]

So with the pumpkin hat. Are we auto attacking ? As well as the minions ? Or am I missing something

[steep plume]

If you see a headgear or weapon with a chance to cast line in the build, then you are auto attacking full time.

[lucid aurora]

Thanks, lame but thanks

[reef trout]

Necro/Summoner: Leysie's Guide to Necromastery (For v0.11.6 and beyond)

Triple Hybrid Build

-# A build that mixes the 3 possible necro builds into one. Requires very high apm (actions per minute) to fully maximize. The damage output depends so much on individual's skill. Has the highest skill expression, probably, of all the necro builds; also have the highest damage potential if you can execute it.

DP10: 7.4m (Leysie's); Theoritical Maximum: 8m. All bossing gears; all self buffs.

Main Stat: STR, ATK, CritD

Headgear: Crimson Crest > Golden Crown > Night Helm > Jack-o'-lantern
Face: Tribal Mask > Runeborne Visor = Snowbun Earmuffs
Utility: Serpent Ring > Blade Standard > Daggers > Red Shell > War Banner
Armor Set: Power set
Main Weapon: Harvester of Souls
Reserve/Secondary Weapon: Iron Morningstar = Bloom of Midnight
Auxilliary Gears: Arcane Gloves, Arrowcatch wall, Night Greaves, Plasma Armor.

Artifact Set: Corporeal or Nullmark mix.

Cards Priority: All CritD. Undead Armor.

Gems Priority: Undead Gem > Shadow Release Gem > Razor Gem > Heart Gem > Reap Gem

DP10 Breakdown:
Wraith: 4.4m
Skelly bros: 1.4m
Abomination: 800k
Skelly mage: 100k-ish (insignificant)
Char: the remainder
Effective actual dp10: 5.5m approx. Can go more or lesser depends on apm and input.

[humble mountain]

@reef trout Try the builder ❤️ https://spirit-vale-builder.base44.app/Home

[reef trout]

uhh sry xD dont wanna make an account to save build, i have some issues with it xD nice work on the builder tho

[humble mountain]

Oh, sry about that. Hope u create a new email for this. xD just for helpping new players too. Thanks man! Nice build btw.

[lucid aurora]

is your attack rotation listed anywhere? says its high apm , but doesnt list what they are

[obsidian spoke]

any magiv type build?

[rough sinew]

is there still a build for current summoner levelling? stuff in this thread seems outdated

[reef trout]

im not sure if this guide is outdated because there's no changes at all since the last patch where it is made, which is 0.11.6. no massive change nor anything since then until now

[reef trout]

sry late reply, i was hospitalized, just able to reply today.. but uhh there's literally 3 skills on the build, it's kind of intuitive to debuff, combo ready, then deal the damage xD

[latent copper]

Hope you're feeling better. Btw on mobile is basically impossible to see the build. Takes over 5 minutes to scroll up to the beginning that I gave up 😂

[teal lion]

Pinned the OP, hopefully that helps since there's a pin shortcut on mobile.

[lucid aurora]

The hope your ok. 3 skills but it’s high apm lol?

[reef trout]

there's 3 main skills, but there's a lot of stuff you have to do to push the build. it's a low floor high ceiling build. the output (i believe) is almost infinite, provided you can output the apm needed. the 3 main skills are there to drop the damage, there's a lot of skills you use in between to maximize the damage hence why it had come to a point of high apm, but if you dont care about all those, the 3 skills can output around 2.5-4m already by themsleves

there's also the dodging part, hence added towards the apm

[lucid aurora]

I appreciate the e response . But you really should list the rotation in the guide. You’re proud of it and the dps and state the apm . But. An example of the best rotation would be helpful for anyone reading through guides and learning before perhaps committing to a class

[reef trout]

well that's true i guess, idk if you were here on the murder cat guide, but i like my guides to be a bit unclear, but not unclear to a point of confusion, so that players can find and understand the builds/guide instead of giving them every detail they need xD

i never stated how to play the murder cat, i just stated how to do it

i wanted people to figure out instead of giving them the info, so that they can understand the build. because imo, understanding the build is the key to play good, not when someone tells you what to do. just my opinion tho xD

im willing to answer if asked tho xD

i just like it that way because.. uhhh xD it's hard for players to play a build they dont understand the nuances, and why it is like that. and keeping the rotation away gives way more room for growth on specific players, they can also modify it to suit their playstyle to either tone down on apm or tone it up, they can freestyle it, it's there to guide how to build, not how to play (if that even makes sense xD). but yeah that's my take on this xD sry for the confusion lol

https://giphy.com/gifs/boWLvNrmlq05Q4GatU

https://giphy.com/gifs/Oyi2SKuwsO9UDOStLb

this 2 gifs shows the main rotation in action

the DM fight is a bit messy coz i was lagging hard, so i ended up just doing the main rotation and not the sub rotations, even the main rotation was hard to execute that time

[stark ferry]

guys where can i get combat knife?

[worthy kelp]

what items should i look for i just unlocked necro and need to know what stats and items to look for

[fiery temple]

Hi @reef trout great info here! question though, why the Undead card in the chest piece? I'm assuming its cause of this aura?
But it already converts your weapon to Undead, so you're already doing undead damage. Unless I'm missing something

[fiery temple]

As far as I know STR is king for necro, unless you're specifically doing something that uses MATK only so better to use INT

[mellow remnant]

the undead card in the chest converts your armor (eg yourself) to undead

[spark cove]

tried this build but too soft. always get killed by the mobs

[fiery temple]

Why do you want to be undead? The skill damage already get increased cause your weapon is undead

[reef trout]

it's coz of the necrotic presence aura, if you're undead then the damage dealt of the enemies affected by it will have -20% to undead

[reef trout]

yeah xD it's a movement heavy build, hence why i didnt find it good to have any defensive gear coz i die with or without them anyways, so maximize damage

[fiery temple]

Hi again! Sorry I keep asking questions but here's a few more:

Why dex to 80? Why not agi?

Is the tribal mask necessary? Can i use say the ventilator (for anti silence which i assume you use the artifacts for) then switch all the artifacts to corporeal?

Do we need the arcane gloves? Why not mind gloves + power gloves or obsidian ring for for critD?

Just trying to understand the build more cause im building a similar build

[reef trout]

dex for cast speed. agi is kind of useless, the flee is not worth, the aspd is kinda decent but you need too much aspd to even get to the 177 cap thing, and besides in a real scenario, you are unable to execute that max gcd dps.

tribal mask is best in slot for damage and everything else. you can change it if you like. the artifacts are whatever

arcan gloves is for ease of use, you can change it to whatever you like tbh

[fiery temple]

Thanks so much this gives me a lot more info 🙂

Didn't think we'd need cast speed since almost all the spells are at 0.5 already.

[reef trout]

hi guys, first of all, happy valentine's day i guess xD

second is that im quitting discord (only discord, not the game), so this guide will never see an update any time in the near future, tho this guide is still very relevant as of now. there's a possibility i might come back to discord if they decide to change their policies and stuff, but for now, nope, not happening.

hopefully there will become a forum for SV outside of discord, i will most likely going to frequent there if there is.

reasons being for quitting discord will be the new policies that will come next month, on top of discord going publicly-traded company.

i will still be playing the game, so you can still contact me through ingame if you have any questions xD

thank you all for the support xD

[fiery temple]

best of wishes @reef trout hope we see you in game! 🙂

[untold orchid]

is there a good minion build?

[fiery temple]

There should be a bunch, most are auto-cast or auto-attack minion builds. Check the other guides or necromancer discussion chat

[untold orchid]

by auto attack miniuon build, whos auto attacking? me or minions?

[fiery temple]

Minions mostly

Check other builds or youtube. Zdps has a decent minion build

[pale dagger]

Is the Jack-o-lantern still the best levelling headgear? I saw some comments saying that death coil got nerfed

[mellow remnant]

i would still level with it because it just gives you a large source of damage

i leveled a summoner using wolf + combat knife + jack and went into serpent maw later on with blitzcore

basically afkd all content till job change

but i think now you can go straight into serpent fang

[tawny bluff]

Is this build outdated now?

[fiery temple]

@reef trout took a break/leave from discord. Build isn't outdated its still good. Its hard to play and squishy from my experience

[past sparrow]

anyone know if this ice golem build is still good?

[lilac solstice]

Construir falso e Ruim
1.8M is the maximum damage achieved.
The build with (MATK) deals even more damage, reaching 3.5M.

Os itens são muito difíceis de obter, muito trabalhosos e, no final, são muito fracos.

[fiery temple]

1.8M for DP10? sorry i dont understand the non-english parts

[lilac solstice]

Yes, in DP10 with attributes in (int + agi) attacking correctly it reached up to 3.3M 3.5M.
However, with the stats in (str + dex), the damage dropped to 1.8M to 1.9M.

[fiery temple]

I just did 4.3M DP10 right now with a similar build.

[fiery temple]

I tried with Spider and I can get 6m

i used this build as base for my build. very similar

[lilac solstice]

The only difference between my build and the one shown is that my items are +7 instead of +10.

[fiery temple]

Can you post your items?

what pet are you using?

And does your items have the correct stats?

[lilac solstice]

The dagger is in place of the Ringa Naga, but it also gives 10% critical damage.

Okay, my damage decreased because it's +7 instead of +10.

But when I changed the attributes, the damage dropped and became less than what I was already dealing.

All the attributes of my items are:

STR +3 / ATK +2% / HP +2%
Only 2 have MP +2%

[fiery temple]

You're on the right track, getting crimson crest and weapon to +10 is a huge dps increase. The extra STR from refining your gear to +10 is also some extra more damage.
One change I did with Leysie's is that I dropped the Nullmark and Bastion and went full Corporeal artifacts.
Use cards instead if you want those immunities (and now its harder cause cards and gear only give +50%)
I wanted 100% crit chance so i didn't use Serpent Ring instead I went with the Skull Emblem + House Fly Junk Card

I don't even have savage in a lot of slots.

Oh i have Daggers on lol, i swap between that and skull for crit chance

[lilac solstice]

Sorry, I just got here, I was at a party.

But you're using Onyx bolt.
He only gives 5%.

[fiery temple]

No not skull accessory, skull utility. 20% total crit chance

[lilac solstice]

Instead of the onyx bolt?

[lilac solstice]

Do you have this build on the website?
https://spirit-vale-builder.base44.app/Builds

[fiery temple]

No sorry, but there's an endgame necro build there thats similar

[opal obsidian]

what substats do we look on gear for necro?

[stone jolt]

any potential for an update for this guide? i just got back in the game and started a summoner

[hollow parrot]

how to play with deaths mage pls help !

[peak dirge]

hi just new to the game, is this still relevant for current patch?

[humble nexus]

I used to play summ, now I'm back after a long time, can anyone recommend a build ? job level 19