Paladin Shield Throw/Bash Guide (--> Guide is pinned)

[winter copper]

how can pala tank turtle champion?

[median quarry]

check the original post, it has item recommendations. if you're on desktop in discord you can click the top right up arrow a couple times to check it out.

[agile gazelle]

What gems are u guys using now, aside from spike and bastion? Is holy still good for overall dps (st+sb) or is it better to just use your build's gem (st/sb)? If sb/st gem, what do u guys reco for the 4th? razor? TIA

[brave surge]

As SB, I still use both Sb and st gem. Idk about others tho I think they just use sb and element gem

[agile briar]

anyone know whats going on? why is my single target leech cooked now. and buffering skills feels bad

[median quarry]

looks like the bug hasn't been reported yet, just did: https://discord.com/channels/1257586742865956875/1457316176148431002

[queen reef]

shield bash hit 1 time now ? double press the skill for double hit was patched ?

[solemn tulip]

@median quarry I apologize for the ping, but would like to ask if Damage Melee/Damage Range +% benefits SB / ST? Such as conviction aura and the weapon stat?

[little hare]

yes it does

[solemn tulip]

tyvm

and is "reflect damage" modifier increases dmg more than vit / def? I'm assuming spikesteel helm is the helm that gives more dps but makes you squishier? then paladin crest is the tankier opt?

[loud zenith]

Hi guys, I liked Shield Throw better as skill, will I lsoe too much dps?

[agile briar]

You still have to use bash/taunt when you main shield throw, if you don't use them at all you lose a lot of dps.

But if you mean playing heaven's orbit instead of fortified guard wall, it's still good dps

[loud zenith]

Thanks, Yeah I tri3d fortified and I found "clunky" to jugle betwen cooldowns

[tribal cliff]

yup felt the same way thats why i stick with ST

[median quarry]

How much reflect dmg and def help you, and which one is better, depends on your current reflect dmg and def. Both affect the same algorithm and have diminishing returns. Most of the time, reflect dmg is slightly better DPS than def. Algorithm is in #⚙️game-mechanics though it changed with a recent patch, it's now ReflectDamage: (100 + DEF/2 + FlatDEF/2) * 4 * Reflect%

[median quarry]

should be fixed with the latest patch

^

[vernal sequoia]

guys how itens for this build and status?

[median quarry]

check the original post for the full guide, click the up arrow in the top right a couple times to view it

[vernal sequoia]

@median quarry how actualy you build ?

[median quarry]

does the original post, pinned, help explain the build?

[frail kernel]

Why do we need 170 attack speed? If I exceed that, can I increase the recast speed of the ST and consequently increase my DPS?

[median quarry]

170 attack speed lowers the delay between skill casts as much as possible, any further won't increase speed for skill casting, it'll only affect auto attacks.

[frail kernel]

so why we should use attack speed as card status or attributes in shoes and greaves? Just to change more points from agi to int ?

[median quarry]

yeah. extra atk speed cards shouldnt be necessary for the build, but it's an option if you are sub-170 atk speed for some reason, maybe youre still leveling etc

[primal storm]

Guys which build of pala is better to solo player, for hunt some bosses?

[solemn tulip]

Amazing stuff. Ty for disclosing the new reflect dmg formula. Is it actually possible to reach 100crit on ST with Housefly junk card or it's not worth to aim for it? Like for an instance 90%crit is already a great number to stop at?

[plush whale]

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[frail kernel]

want to know samething

[rigid arch]

are this decent stats or what stats should i look ?

[agile briar]

perfect is Vit +3, Hp +2% so youre missing 1 vit
Atk or matk doesnt matter

[rigid arch]

oh ok this is perfect ?

[rigid arch]

btw anyting i can improve ? im 68lvl idk which gear should i use

[inner ruin]

First thing I would farm next if I were you is a golden aegis shield from goblin village

[rigid arch]

ok i will

[inner ruin]

Or just grab one from a vendor since they're kind of a pain to farm if RNG is bad

[rigid arch]

Which vendor ?

[inner ruin]

You'd have to shop around, but most vendors are in wayfarer's. Look for any that are advertising paladin items

[rigid arch]

i will look anything anything else i can improve at my lvl ?

[karmic pine]

Most your next upgrades will come in Sanctum of Light. Paladin crest, Skystrider armor. And if you're doing reflect build either Brimblade from Forgotten Depths, or Doom Crescent from Swamp Wilderness

[rigid arch]

oh ok ty is there any way to fix my mana so i can keep spaming ST ?

[river gazelle]

see if you can get your hands on a bat card or eyeball mage blue card, bat lord card eventually will be best for your mana

[rigid arch]

oke

[rigid arch]

got one should i waste and add on my shity accesory ?

[river gazelle]

its not a waste, you can add and remove cards for a gold fee but you keep the card

[rigid arch]

oh thats nice ty

how to use em ?

[river gazelle]

double click and it will let you add to a piece of gear that has a free card slot

[rigid arch]

nvm fixed need to removed old frst to add

[river gazelle]

so that bat card will give you mana back when you defeat mobs and an eyeball mage blue card would give you mana back for every spell you use

so the eyeball mage blue card might help more against tougher mobs because its constantly giving back mana as opposed to only once a mob dies

you can always use both while levelling

[rigid arch]

yea will try to get also eyeball

[loud zenith]

What can we expect damage wise?

[median quarry]

around 700-800k dp10 when minmaxed without boss gems, for SB

[royal slate]

you guys used to tank with st/sb build?

i feels like im dying too easy

[little hare]

Turn off sacrifice if u want to be tanky

[frail kernel]

you can tank turtle boss and goblin king with boss gems ?

[royal basin]

Couldn't get a bastion gem 🙁 but got a bloodfang so now I can use my endurance greaves heh

[pseudo sphinx]

Healing received works on leech right?

Not sure if this is worth the 12m i spent

[tribal cliff]

it is

[median quarry]

yeah it does, and it definitely is, worth more than that.

[primal storm]

Which boss gem i need to get to this build?

[tribal cliff]

spike + bastion

[pseudo sphinx]

Any upgrades on the gems for SB? I sometimes need to swap ST gem for anchor on some maps/bosses not sure if there are better choices on what I have atm

Is ST gem even worth or should it be like heart gem or something

[tribal cliff]

go razor or elemental gems

[pseudo sphinx]

If you need knockback resist what do you swap out? Haven't found another way other than chest card which I can't use on most 1 shot bosses

[tribal cliff]

is it for warchief? use warlord emblem?

[pseudo sphinx]

Worth losing the sb shield for that? I feel like it's not tho

Imp has that banish field

and yeah warchief also

[tribal cliff]

shield or anchor is your option i think

or go bastion arti for knockback?

[pseudo sphinx]

Hmm losing the full artifact set bonus is too much I think.. I guess anchor is the only way

Thanks

[primal storm]

Sb is better than st?

[pseudo sphinx]

Should be more dps but makes you press more than 1 button on a weird rotation

[primal storm]

I was trying, but i didnt get the combo

Thats why i use st

[pseudo sphinx]

Yeah it's pretty weird and feels horrible when there's lag some people just use macro

Taunt for increased melee dmg, then spam SB -> ST 2x

Consc if needed

[median quarry]

i linked the gem math in the original post (pinned), elemental is the endgame chase right now. do not think razor is BiS for us

yeah the SB combo is clunkier than ST

it's a little higher dmg, but the difference is less now that taunt and shield bash increase ranged dmg

[weak current]

shield bros, is dis good?

[little hare]

Decent not perfect. Would need +def for more damage

[brave surge]

good

I'd actually prefer this stat just to be more comfy

-% dmg from magic kinda nice

Also since ET might come soon this month after Necromancer release, building for more survivability isn't bad

[agile briar]

I personally say its perfect (well if it was 5%) yes. I'm not sure exactly what's most value between HP, healing received, and -damagemagic%, but they're definitely the 3 best options

I don't know why but im not capping leeching near as easy as last patch, so healing received is very good again, but last patch HP was better for me tests

[royal turtle]

anyone able to link me the ST build? do i need boss gems to leech? sanctify does too much damage to me

[median quarry]

check the original msg at the top of this guide, pinned. the builds are the same except for the specific shield item and dmg ranged vs dmg melee stat

[royal turtle]

Thx

[little hare]

get leech on pants, use sanctify with sacrifice. or dont use sacrifice at all, you should be very tanky

[median quarry]

Paladin Shield Throw/Bash Guide (--> Guide is pinned)

[rigid arch]

what should i improve next ?

80lvl

[spark vapor]

Use full endurace gears for better dmg (substats vit 3 and hp2) , change your weapon to doom crescent vit3/crit/critdmg. Look for bastion,spike gems

Thats mainly almost end game gear you have to achieve

You can also look at pinned comment in this channel , @median quarry already gave tips how to build st/sb build as detail as possible

[rigid arch]

where drop endurance gear ? i dont think i can grind yet

maybe market but with good stats is expensive

[spark vapor]

You can check where drops in spiritvale.info

Its a dropped and craftable item so you can check in the website , all the information already there

[rigid arch]

yea is +120-140lvl

[spark vapor]

I think just change your weapon first , doom crescent

You can use bloodbound for early game, also bloodbound can use for late game if you dont have bloodfang gem

Acc you can use nightfang if you missing leech, but for early game you can use safety gloves and obsidian band. Both safety gloves and obsidian band are also good for endgame. Try to look the gears while lvling your chatacter so you can still enjoy the process. But if you have the gold, you can either look for endurance gears with more or less decent stats for a cheap price or just buy the perf stats

[rigid arch]

ok ty i have 2mil rn

[spark vapor]

All good brother just farm while you lvling , try to find gears that really demands rn, perfect stats can give you tons of gold to sell

[still condor]

hi guys i just got my paladin and which build is working or stronger so far?

any tips?

[rigid arch]

is doom crescent count as sword ?

[spark vapor]

No, its an axe

[rigid arch]

so why is he using spear passive ?

[woven pecan]

why does the guide put 5 points into spear passives then

[spark vapor]

Spear quicken for increasing aspd, you dont need to upgrade the passive, you can upgrade antoher skills which you found more usefull

[woven pecan]

but doesn't it count only for spears and swords?

his running doom crescent

[spark vapor]

For spear quicken is a general increase aspd

[woven pecan]

oh

weird wording then

[real crown]

its just the name of the skill, the skill itself has no requirements on weapon

if this line isnt present on a skill then ur safe to use it with w/e u want

[woven pecan]

these should be removed then xd

[real crown]

lmao, its flavor text so i guess cuz the theme of paladin is swords and spear its sticking with it 🤷‍♂️

[rigid arch]

is there any updated skill tree or is still same ?

[median quarry]

#1440558934107750410 message

[sick perch]

what stats do you want on doom crescent

[humble nexus]

guys, what can i improve

i know about the bastion gem, farming money to buy

[karmic pine]

Everything to +10

[humble nexus]

but the base set equips are these, yeah?

[inner ruin]

Nitpicky, but you have some excessive ASPD.
If you add a source of Level 5 Haste, you can lower your AGI even further, and put more points into LUK.
Then maybe less need for crit-related cards.

[spark vapor]

You better using paladin crest instead cuz you will have more survivability , the dmg is a bit lower but its not that much cuz you are using spike gem

[karmic pine]

and more HP = more sacrifice

[humble nexus]

got it

thks guys

[worthy kestrel]

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[worthy kestrel]

what's is the global choice for weapon card, warcamp farming for exemple we go for what, vs boss we take element dmg counter of the boss but in global content idk what is the choice, i took x3 poison card and wait to have the knowledge https://imgur.com/wVgpyKe

[median quarry]

i just do holy for everything that isnt a holy-resisting boss. occasionally some mobs resist holy but most dont, and the ones that do still die fast

savage or blazewheel (crit dmg or reflect dmg) are OK too, which one is better for you depends on your current stats but i would guess reflect dmg > crit dmg on wep

[worthy kestrel]

vs boss specifically the scaling is better with 2 cards +6% elem counter or 2 cards +10% dmg of the elem boss

[rocky cipher]

this is a decent plate?

[rocky cipher]

also was wondering which monster drops endurance shoes? the wiki says octopus but when i inspect the monster, endurance shoes doesnt show up

[karmic pine]

Theres multiple octopus

[worthy kestrel]

yes for dps, if u want tank HP>Def

[rocky cipher]

oh i see so it's from that location?

[karmic pine]

https://spiritvale.info/maps/sunken-depths

[rocky cipher]

thank you

[median quarry]

a little gameplay tip btw - shield bash can go through short invisible walls. things like elevation changes, tent walls, broken spots that let you go inside rocks, etc. super handy sometimes. also the elevation shift in port city where the beach starts

[autumn narwhal]

hello, just downloaded the game. does full tank build with reflect works well in the game? or should i lean towards damage build

[median quarry]

awesome welcome :D. relying solely on mobs hitting you to kill them isn't viable, but for knights there is a good build around reflect w/ Counter Stance, and for paladins they generally use a more active playstyle with shield bash or shield throw, both skills that deal reflect damage

[autumn narwhal]

okayy, ill digest bit by bit about the bash, seems interesting. thank you!

[rocky cipher]

is there a way to autocast all buffs haha getting lazy

[median quarry]

autohotkey macros are allowed within reason, as long as youre still actively playing the game and not using it to bot or do crazy shit

[queen forge]

I stopped using them, seems risky even if active because you can become inactive from distraction. I have 7 5m buff slots and macrod it to cast them all, went afk for 15 min in mosquito zone in full reflect gear and got a 24 hr ban (assuming someone reported me)

[rocky cipher]

do you have to have a delay between each buff cast when you macroed

[queen forge]

yes, i did

[median quarry]

yeah you must be actively playing at all times if you use a macro to cast skills. it sounds like you were accidentally still casting buffs while afk? argh :/

[kind cairn]

Definitely don't use a toggle to cast buffs

If you'l wind up afk

[median quarry]

definitely do not have any macro that tries to cast off cooldown if that cooldown is >= 60s, too easy to forget to turn it off

my macro constantly spams skills so it's quite clear if i'm using it or not. worst case scenario i die and shield bash upon respawn and then turn off the macro lol

[kind cairn]

Some skills get queued and even after death they auto cast themselves anyway

It's strange lol so that's fine

[karmic pine]

happens to me all the time lol, i'll have some big wizard spell queue up then respawn and cast hydro vortez or freezing field in town

[buoyant grove]

@plush whale Check DM

[median quarry]

the new SB shield icon that came with this patch is dope

[modest wraith]

guys question why is it if i hit my Shield throw i lose some HP?

do i need leech hp on my card or gear?

[inner ruin]

You likely have Sacrifice active

[modest wraith]

ow right goodness thank you

[modest wraith]

guys any good alternative gems for artifact the one in the guide is kind of expensive 😁

[karmic pine]

Shield Bash, Shield Throw, Counter Stance, Consecration are all the non boss ones

[modest wraith]

ow ok thank you

[surreal scarab]

in 1 day from zero

i can farm forge rn

guide help a lot thanks for guide

[junior holly]

any full tank guide build here guys?

[cosmic lagoon]

no benefit in atk/matk?

[onyx grove]

No only vit/def

[median quarry]

Correct, our damaging skills deal Reflect Damage, which per #⚙️game-mechanics is ReflectDamage: (100 + DEF + FlatDEF/2) * 4 * Reflect% - no atk/matk

[clever cave]

how much is shield bash per hit.
my shield toss is like 14k at max and it doesnt feel strong, is it the boss gems that makes the big difference?

[karmic pine]

You can make it stronger with element advantage

[clever cave]

oh like if i am fighting on the water maps i add lighting conversion?

got it.. and how are paladins tanking bosses? i thought this should be the tankiest build but when at level 140 i get 1-2 shotted by bosses while others can seem to stand there forever

[frail kernel]

We can increase dps using holy dmg cards?

[royal basin]

Making sure your armor is the anti element is a great way to stay alive as well as making sure you don't stand on the spells of the bosses specially the DoT ones

[royal basin]

If your weapon is holy based (archangel card) then yes holy damage would help dps

[frail kernel]

but paladin dont have a skill that converts dmg to holy?

[royal basin]

No, but we have skills that are holy damage. Just not shield bash nor shield throw

[median quarry]

you might be thinking of sanctify, which gives your defenses holy element, but not offensives. so you are resistant to holy dmg

[royal basin]

Hey guys how long does it usually take you to say solo SQ? Cause mine takes forever, I don't think I'm doing enough damage

[odd fox]

omg i GoT 0 dmg from this build

[karmic pine]

new leg card

[rocky cipher]

is there a good way to farm gold?

[karmic pine]

kill stuff fast

[rocky cipher]

is this BIS for doom cres or is vit crit cd better?

[spark vapor]

This bis if you play with shield bash shield

[rocky cipher]

if im playing shield throw?

[karmic pine]

Shield Throw wansts Crit and Crit Damage. Throw doesn't benefit from Damage Melee

[rocky cipher]

ah ok, thank you

so vit crit cd

[dawn abyss]

@plain cargo

[solemn tulip]

what's a good weapon card combo to use for general mobs? like example farming in goblin warcamp

since there's all mixed elements there (balanced distribution of elemental mobs)

unlike in other maps that has 1 elemental mob that is more than other mobs in that map

[median quarry]

I like using holy enchant + 2x holy dmg, since elemental dmg is a separate multiplier, and it works with Sacrifice too. Holy dmg helm might be extra DPS if you do this too, haven't compared it to Paladin Crest in a while though.
Only disadvantage is you do a little less damage to ~~shadow ~~ holy enemies. Not a huge issue on most maps, unless you're fighting holy bosses.

If you'd prefer not to be weaker to shadow, you can compare crit dmg (creeper) vs reflect dmg (blazewheel) on wep.

[solemn tulip]

wait why would it be weaker to shadow? isn't the counter to shadow is holy?

[median quarry]

to holy*

[solemn tulip]

ah okay i thought they changed smth or w/e

[daring cedar]

Currently level 80, and having major mana issues. Is there anything I can do to help at this level?

[median quarry]

try getting eternal blue mage card for mana leech

[daring cedar]

Where does that drop if you dont mind?

[median quarry]

i think abyss castle keep. if you check spirit vale dot info you may be able to find cheap ones for sale too

[daring cedar]

Appreciate you

[knotty jolt]

does the spear quicken buff works with axes?

cause the recommended weapon is the doom crescent axe

[karmic pine]

spear quicken has no weapon requirement, so yes it works

[karmic pine]

Also we have to aim for 177 attack speed now

[thick atlas]

good build at lvl 70ish?

[sleek viper]

What're the chase stats for endurance boots?

What're the chase stats for endurance shoes?

[spark vapor]

Vit hp magic for chest
Vit aspd mspd for boots

[karmic pine]

Red Maw debuff might be worth using in ST/SB build, one issue though is the lower crit rate on Red Maw (+2 refine vs +3 on Doom)

[sleek viper]

Is there an objective "best" skill tree for ST?

[karmic pine]

kinda? Objectively you need max points in Taunt, Shield Bash, Shield Throw and Conviction Aura.

[sleek viper]

Are there any changes to this build with new patch out?

[karmic pine]

No

[sleek viper]

Thanks!

[rigid arch]

Shielkd Throw still good ?

[warped cloud]

of course

[warped cloud]

i've question full def build or full reflect build what's better for boss hunt?