Paladin Shield Throw/Bash Guide (--> Guide is pinned) | SpiritVale | Page 2

brave surge Dec 18, 2025, 10:44 AM

#

fine!! Where your vend at

#

gime for 10mil!

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 10:45 AM

#

Sea server

brave surge Dec 18, 2025, 10:45 AM

#

i mean which spot haha

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 10:45 AM

#

Near teleport

#

In the fountain area

#

There’s vending calles weapon,shoes bis if im not mistaken

#

Im not online rn so I couldn’t check for you

brave surge Dec 18, 2025, 10:46 AM

#

kk

cerulean bane Dec 18, 2025, 11:11 AM

#

what's the difference between shield bash/throw and the typical paladin build?

#

is there a large dps difference?

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 11:27 AM

#

Yes, shield bash>shield throw with new shield

#

The calculation already did by @median quarry you ccan check the details above or yoyu can ask him

cerulean bane Dec 18, 2025, 11:28 AM

#

i mean, what's the difference between this guide and the caster build

#

like does one do more dmg than the other? survivability? easy of play?

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 11:35 AM

#

I played both of caster and SB/ST build, in my opinion for survivability against bosses caster is better, but for dmgs i prefer st/sb build especially against holy enemies. But these 2 builds are pretty decent depending how you play, just find your builds that you fun to play. In the end paladin is very good class beside weaver rn.

For mobbing caster definetely good in huge mob like at nexus but back again just play whaterever build you find fun for you to play

cerulean bane Dec 18, 2025, 11:36 AM

#

hard part is, you don't really know how either plays until you invested gold into the build and trying it yourself lol

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 11:37 AM

#

Already tried bossing against SQ, i prefer sb/st for faster kill but i have to moving a lot rather than when im using caster build

#

For grinding i prefer caster build to gather mats, equip to sell. Like for example, i can gather 35-40 mobs at once in nexus to farm and thats pretty fast to gather the mats rather than when im using st/sb

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 12:02 PM

#

With this build against Queen Worm, I hit 28k~ish for ST and 104k~ish for SB without priest buff

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 12:49 PM

#

With this build against Death Mage, I hit 24k~ish for ST and 91k~ish for SB without priest buff

drifting tendon Dec 18, 2025, 1:32 PM

#

spark vapor With this build against Death Mage, I hit 24k~ish for ST and 91k~ish for SB with...

i wanna test but i'm to poor to get all this gems

spark vapor Dec 18, 2025, 1:35 PM

#

All good brother, just take your time, better using caster build to farm eq or mats to sell and then buy those gems, its pretty much cheap rn. I got my spike gem for only 29m today

median quarry Dec 18, 2025, 7:53 PM

#

don't put extra points into spear mastery. do use spear quicken though, it gives atk spd which makes it easier to hit 170 atk spd cap for ST

stiff sedge Dec 18, 2025, 9:23 PM

#

if anyone wants to buy #1449935778531643452 message

#

Good Doom crescent

river gazelle Dec 18, 2025, 9:29 PM

#

median quarry don't put extra points into spear mastery. do use spear quicken though, it gives...

ah but i thought spear quicken says only works for sword or spear and doom crescent is axe

karmic pine Dec 18, 2025, 9:37 PM

#

The flavor text on spear quicken is kinda irrelevant. The skill itself is just a buff and has no weapon restriction to use

river gazelle Dec 18, 2025, 10:16 PM

#

oh ok thank you

#

and i guess at least spear mastery gives +hp per rank

drifting tendon Dec 18, 2025, 11:02 PM

#

spark vapor With this build against Death Mage, I hit 24k~ish for ST and 91k~ish for SB with...

can u share your skill tree and status ?

hoary stag Dec 19, 2025, 1:34 AM

#

gc/jb build has been nerfed a little on the new patch

#

man mana leech and hp leech feels very good right now

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:37 AM

#

GC/JB should be stronger no? Just can't run sacrifice but the damage on ability should be stronger

hoary stag Dec 19, 2025, 1:37 AM

#

im regening more now than the on hit ones before

zealous granite Dec 19, 2025, 1:43 AM

#

Hey guys, have you checked out the new patch? Do you think it affects our build a lot?

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 1:46 AM

#

not much

#

it might be harder to maintain Sacrifice with this build, it already was kinda hard

#

tankiness and mana sustain might change slightly but i haven't felt it out enough to determine if it's better or worse

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:52 AM

#

#

I'm fully using sacrifice with just this

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 1:53 AM

#

leech works better with more hits per second so SB may need more leech than ST

#

i think? 🤔

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:53 AM

#

maybe but leech caps at a point, so as long as you keep hitting you should be at your leech cap of 20% max hp

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

#

i put +8 bloodbound and 2x nightfangs on, no bloodfang, and proceeded to kill myself at the dummy relatively fast

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

#

sanctify?

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

#

errr no Facepalm i forget how to play sanc because i never do, 1sec

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

#

i die without it, it should be enough

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 1:56 AM

#

yeah lol sanc+bloodbound is enough to sustain sac, nice. feels like less gear req than pre-patch, is that right? it is a bit sketchier vs mobs but if you dont pull too large you proly wont die, just like without sanc

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 1:57 AM

#

I was using my build through Turtle nexus and has 0 issues

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 2:04 AM

#

I think I'd officially recommend using sacrifice now

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 2:05 AM

#

ya i gotta fix my guide lol

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 2:06 AM

#

Full skills with 5 points to spare for w/e. We use sacrifice+sanctify now, with bloodbound or bloodfang for leech. Can turn it off if mobs are kicking your ass.

Toggleable Buffs: Sacrifice (dmg at cost of health), Conviction/Defiance Aura (pick dmg or def aura)
Duration Buffs: Sanctify (for sacrifice sustain), Endure, Fortify, Holy Shield, Spear Quicken, Reflect Shield, Haste (1m duration 25% move speed)

#

You can sustain sacrifice even if you holy enchant your wep like I have done. Though if you have holy gem and holy helm as well, you might not be able to sustain easily with just bloodbound+sanctify.

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 2:08 AM

#

Vitality aura might be good, not sure if the increased hp with sacrifice is better damage output than defiance aura, but it does have slight regen

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 2:10 AM

#

yeah worth testing

#

if you have 50k health, vitality aura adds 10k which is 200 more heals per second from cons

#

worth testing full plasma to see if it lets us tank endgame bosses as well

tardy halo Dec 19, 2025, 2:17 AM

#

Do we know which mob drops throw gem now? Tried looking it up in wiki but no luck

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 2:18 AM

#

should be in Sunken Temple

#

tardy halo Dec 19, 2025, 2:19 AM

#

Sweet hopefully I can get a decent guardwall at the same time

zealous granite Dec 19, 2025, 2:22 AM

#

median quarry not much

Thanks for the insight! I’ll check it myself—logging in now.

#

@median quarry it’s harder to sustain MP now; on the other hand, HP is easier to maintain.

#

this is during a boss fight against Spider Queen

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 2:42 AM

#

Shield bash gonna be op rn, 400%dmgs

zealous granite Dec 19, 2025, 2:47 AM

#

spark vapor Shield bash gonna be op rn, 400%dmgs

What is the previous dmg%?

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 2:48 AM

#

350%

#

I haven’t test yet so i think its higher rn

#

Oh wait

#

Shield bass and bash are different?

#

Nvm we dont have any changes in dmgs then haha

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 2:49 AM

#

no changes to SB/ST numbers, just JB/GC/DP

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 2:58 AM

#

it feels so nice now with leech change

#

is it just me

#

like I'm sustaining better

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 2:59 AM

#

Yeah cuz of 100% chance leech i guess

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 3:00 AM

#

my warrior on the other hand is on the RIP side

#

gonna wait for advanced class there lmao

#

also mana leech is crazy rn

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 3:02 AM

#

Mana leech is just drooping bat for us? Or other stuff now post update i haven't logged in

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 3:04 AM

#

I use eyeball mage on ST build, seems to be enough

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 3:04 AM

#

I use batlord

#

actually can have sacrifice perma on rn

#

maybe not on boss will see

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 3:20 AM

#

since we know we only need 170 atk spd, we can put enough points into int to get more mana sustain, so only 1x batlord/blue mage card is necessary

#

that was prepatch. i have heard mana sustain is harder postpatch. need to test more

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 3:22 AM

#

Having no mana issues rn

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 3:22 AM

#

I dont have any mana issues actually even from before patch

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 3:22 AM

#

in a pack of mobs u get like 121 mana per tick so

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 3:23 AM

#

And im not using soulfang

brave surge Dec 19, 2025, 3:24 AM

#

does leech depend on dmg now

#

i mean mana leech

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 3:29 AM

#

yes

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 3:29 AM

#

brave surge i mean mana leech

3% of dmg cool_doge

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 3:31 AM

#

Sweet i have more health leech now even that before the patch

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 3:32 AM

#

oh huh he buffed it

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 3:39 AM

#

no more on hit affects, it had to be changed

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 4:24 AM

#

Holyy, my SB hit 109k~ish with taunt, pala buff + sac to DM

#

and my ST hit 29k~ish

#

I dont have any mana issues

#

Only holy res 15% from leg

#

Just use your obsidian band imo cuz of new patch for leech

spare tartan Dec 19, 2025, 5:26 AM

#

spark vapor Just use your obsidian band imo cuz of new patch for leech

whats new patch with leech?

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 5:29 AM

#

spare tartan whats new patch with leech?

#🎮development message

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 5:34 AM

#

My SB hit 104k with taunt against SQ

spare tartan Dec 19, 2025, 5:42 AM

#

ah ok, are we goign to have to make new characters once the game releases?

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 5:44 AM

#

yes, #❓faq #🗺️roadmap

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 6:38 AM

#

any new tech?

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 6:39 AM

#

not new but its easy to use sacrifice now

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 6:42 AM

#

nice

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 6:50 AM

#

stiff sedge any new tech?

the holding down SB/ST strat may help you consistently hit optimal dps

cast Shield Bash (use whenever it's off cooldown)

Hold down Shield Throw key to cast ~2x Shield Throw quickly inbetween Shield Bashes
Small SB tip: At step 4, it should be more optimal if you hold down ST, and briefly stop holding it down when SB goes off cooldown, then go back to holding down ST once you cast SB.

#

you can actually briefly hold both SB+ST and then let go of ST, and go back to holding ST once SB casts. it's a little funky, and i personally macro it, but it's relatively optimal

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 6:53 AM

#

is there a reason why 170 aspd in the goal?

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 6:55 AM

#

at 170 aspd you cast shield throw at the same rate as the global cooldown essentially

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 7:01 AM

#

median quarry at 170 aspd you cast shield throw at the same rate as the global cooldown essent...

New mana leech is fantastic, dont have any mana issues anymore

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 7:02 AM

#

nice glad to hear it, same ive been happy with it. it might be too strong even

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 7:04 AM

#

Anyone got an extra shield throw gem they wanna sell? 😄
Gem isn't on the wiki yet

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 7:05 AM

#

its in Sunken Depths

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 7:05 AM

#

karmic pine its in Sunken Depths

oh... i thought it was the goblin warcamp T_T

#

been there past 2 hrs D:

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 7:06 AM

#

also people probably sold off their extra Shield Throw gems for mad profit during the week it was removed from the drop table lol

#

you can check drop tables from the map screen lol

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 7:06 AM

#

karmic pine you can check drop tables from the map screen lol

150+ hrs and i just found out.

#

bruh.

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 7:07 AM

#

so we no longer need bat lord card?

#

havent tested anything

cerulean bane Dec 19, 2025, 7:09 AM

#

man.. pali is so fking dumb. lvl 98 w/ +6 gear and i can out farm my lv150 scout full +10 gear

#

and this was after multiple nerfs.

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 7:10 AM

#

its still useful, not sure if 50+ int is enough to natural regen through Shield Throw Spam

#

tbf Scout is still base class

#

its something that keeps being brought up, don't compare base classes to advance. We'll see in a week (hopefully) once GS is out

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 7:38 AM

#

Best using nightfang against SQ, SB hit 100k+ so as long you avoid the dissonance well you will kill the SQ

#

I found my dmgs went up after the patch so bossing using SB took faster time than before

little hare Dec 19, 2025, 8:04 AM

#

Do you use plasma/night greaves for SQ

spark vapor Dec 19, 2025, 8:13 AM

#

I used endurance greaves for dmg boosting but for survivability i think night greaves is better cuz of resistance but im not sure, haven’t try it yet

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 7:45 PM

#

I think I'm missing something, even if I take off my holy damage cards and stand in consecration, I die from sacrifice against training dummy. +9 bloodbound with leech roll, chest has healing roll. Do I just need bloodfang to use sac?

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 7:59 PM

#

Are you using any Holy Resistance and Sanctify to reduce sacrifice damage?

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 8:01 PM

#

OOOOOOOOO sanctify, I will try again

#

Lol ok now I agree yes it's easy to sustain sacrifice now, thank you

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 8:04 PM

#

I can go like this ? i cant pay for bloodfang yet

#

and don't find Insect Carapace to buy

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 8:12 PM

#

the lack of cards anywhere makes me sad

#

but yes bloodbound is enough to use sacrifice with as long as you're running Sanctify

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 8:13 PM

#

i dont know what cards i should use yet

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 8:15 PM

#

You need at least one mana sustain card like eyeball mage blue or bat lord, and you'll need at least one crit rate card like housefly junk or nom (until you level up more to max luk)

#

Besides those specifically just pick from here #1440558934107750410 message

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 8:17 PM

#

#

Now i just need to know how to spend my skill points

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 8:18 PM

#

10 shield bash, 10 shield throw

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 8:18 PM

#

Scroll up just a little bit, Sakaiyo put their skill tree

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 8:22 PM

#

i'm gonna try now thanks guys

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 8:31 PM

#

Sanctify and one source of health leech is all you need for sacrifice now, but I also swapped holy res onto pants to improve sustain vs mobs. Haunt card. Move a few points from int to agi to keep 170 atk spd. As long as int is >= 50 you're fine (Assuming there's still a hidden 50 int mana sustain bonus, I'm trying to confirm)

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 9:13 PM

#

median quarry Sanctify and one source of health leech is all you need for sacrifice now, but I...

so if i change from bloodhound to endurance pants i should have no problems to sustain my life ?

#

i gonna test

karmic pine Dec 19, 2025, 9:14 PM

#

Assuming you leech enough damage with just nightfang... Sure

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 9:18 PM

#

drifting tendon so if i change from bloodhound to endurance pants i should have no problems to s...

maybe. im fine with +8 bloodbound at 13% leech. nightfang is 5%.

#

there's also a decent chance the obsi band 10% reflect dmg is better than the 10 vit you get from endurance pants, so even if nightfang works it's not the optimal choice

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 9:29 PM

#

Is there anything else we could more easily swap for Crit rate if we dropped a weapon crit roll for the new 5% hp leech? or it seems every source of Crit we could trade for would be even more dmg loss

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 9:33 PM

#

agile briar Is there anything else we could more easily swap for Crit rate if we dropped a w...

you using 15% crit rate headgear card?

#

it's needed if you're following the recommended gear stats but using a wep without crit

agile briar Dec 19, 2025, 9:35 PM

#

No but that is an option, idk how 10% def card vs endurance pants would be

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 9:36 PM

#

1.3m dp10 with holy element + white bishop

pseudo sphinx Dec 19, 2025, 9:48 PM

#

Hey guys where do we craft ironshade helm? ty in advance

plush whale Dec 19, 2025, 10:17 PM

#

the build is the same?

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 10:25 PM

#

pseudo sphinx Hey guys where do we craft ironshade helm? ty in advance

Demon's maw

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 10:26 PM

#

spark vapor My SB hit 104k with taunt against SQ

111k shield bash on death mage

stiff sedge Dec 19, 2025, 10:52 PM

#

no holy gem

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 11:54 PM

#

median quarry maybe. im fine with +8 bloodbound at 13% leech. nightfang is 5%.

i'm trying to get the obsidian, it's very hard kk

median quarry Dec 19, 2025, 11:57 PM

#

3vit2hp obsidian is definitely hard to find

drifting tendon Dec 19, 2025, 11:59 PM

#

i tryind to buy and farm at same, but no sucess

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 12:00 AM

#

a less optimal obsidian band, or a vit safety gauntlet, may be a decent alternative for now

pseudo sphinx Dec 20, 2025, 12:01 AM

#

First time trying out SB, can I have some advice on upgrades? Also for stats is it vit>def>hp>crit?

#

drifting tendon Dec 20, 2025, 12:02 AM

#

median quarry a less optimal obsidian band, or a vit safety gauntlet, may be a decent alternat...

#

find a good one

#

payed 4m, not that expensive

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 12:05 AM

#

4m not bad yeah since it's rare and no one farms them

drifting tendon Dec 20, 2025, 12:05 AM

#

and i already spent 6h in demon maw kk

stiff sedge Dec 20, 2025, 12:05 AM

#

yw

#

🙂

drifting tendon Dec 20, 2025, 12:08 AM

#

plush whale Dec 20, 2025, 2:14 AM

#

how to increase more damage? i can solo all maps but not bosses(around 700k on dummies)

spare tartan Dec 20, 2025, 2:19 AM

#

so close to being perfect 🙁 I think im still gonna use it

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 2:20 AM

#

https://youtu.be/D-yFKubKF6g

YouTube

Bibe

We almost hit a million! SB/ST Paladin Showcase | SpiritVale

#spiritvale #ragnarok #bibeisthename #gaming #streamer

So our build is safe and even better after the patch!

Not really beginner friendly cause you need 3 gems as seen on the video.

This is not a max dps build, just my daily use for farming and some low lvl bossing.

Hope you enjoy and see you in the game!

Build in action from last VOD
ht...

▶ Play video

#

967k not bad

#

@median quarry thanks for the guide!

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 2:34 AM

#

plush whale how to increase more damage? i can solo all maps but not bosses(around 700k on d...

with shield throw? correct me if im wrong but i don't think youre doing holy damage besides sacrifice but you have holy % cards/helm

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 2:38 AM

#

plush whale how to increase more damage? i can solo all maps but not bosses(around 700k on d...

switch to shield bash shield if you dont mind the playstyle and want more dps.
if you wanna swap tanky gear to dps, safety gauntlets -> obsidian band, plasma boots -> endurance boots
you need to holy enchant your wep if you want SB/ST to benefit from holy dmg.
make sure youre using sacrifice and sanctify

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 3:28 AM

#

patch says increase range on chain effects.. trying to determine if ST was included

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 3:43 AM

#

it has to, this chain looks crazy compared to before

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 3:45 AM

#

yea confirmed, love it

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 3:51 AM

#

will feel even more fun that way

inner ruin Dec 20, 2025, 4:36 AM

#

ST players are rejoicing

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 5:23 AM

#

stiff sedge 111k shield bash on death mage

I got 123k without buff priest and 131k with buff priest, this patch really boost my dmgs lol

zealous granite Dec 20, 2025, 5:34 AM

#

spare tartan so close to being perfect 🙁 I think im still gonna use it

waa,. should be vit

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 5:38 AM

#

spare tartan so close to being perfect 🙁 I think im still gonna use it

I have +10 vit3/healing8/dmgmelee4 if you interested

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 6:13 AM

#

Against DM, with pala buff only. My dmgs got reduced a lil bit because of the patch earlier buut still doable.

inner ruin Dec 20, 2025, 6:28 AM

#

@median quarry Verrry small correction to the OP, but Safety Gauntlets > Safety Gloves.
Just so it's clearer that the Gloves can be warn alongside Endurance Gauntlets.

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 6:30 AM

#

inner ruin <@99320464593158144> Verrry small correction to the OP, but Safety Gauntlets > S...

👍 updated

hoary stag Dec 20, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

spark vapor I have +10 vit3/healing8/dmgmelee4 if you interested

does ST count as melee damage or this is for SB?

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

SB count for melee

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

ST is ranged

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

ST coount for ranged damage

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

but not worth replacing def/reflect gears with ranged dmg

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 8:41 AM

#

yep

hoary stag Dec 20, 2025, 8:41 AM

#

i see. thanks a lot

plush whale Dec 20, 2025, 12:28 PM

#

holy drop

brave surge Dec 20, 2025, 4:10 PM

#

plush whale holy drop

I see this ss and I started farming but...

#

5k weight and I still didn't get a single guardwall

#

😮‍💨

plush whale Dec 20, 2025, 4:17 PM

#

brave surge I see this ss and I started farming but...

i'm farming like 5 hours. i got these

#

still farming for endurance gauntles with hp

#

but i don't know how you guys are hitting 100k dmg with SB

brave surge Dec 20, 2025, 4:25 PM

#

Dw, I don't hit 100k too

#

I still need insect carapaceeeee

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 4:27 PM

#

Selling this if you guuys interested lmk

tall glacier Dec 20, 2025, 5:09 PM

#

cerulean bane man.. pali is so fking dumb. lvl 98 w/ +6 gear and i can out farm my lv150 scout...

id hate to see your scout build then cuz pala sux haha

spark vapor Dec 20, 2025, 7:33 PM

#

SB build is the new weaver in the game lol, under 1 min only use holy res on leg and anti curse

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 8:03 PM

#

finally something

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 8:06 PM

#

nice, worth +ing

#

i found this really early but havent found anything better yet. i'm aiming for vit/heal rec/hp. theory is maybe the extra hp will help cons tank higher lvl bosses without having to wear as much actual tanky gear like plasma/night

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 8:07 PM

#

ya same, vit/hp %/hp receiv is the perfect roll

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 8:39 PM

#

I don't know if healing received is good anymore (except consecrate) , it doesn't seem to increase the leech cap and we already hit the cap kinda ez

#

I think vit/def/hp or -magic% is best rolls for chest and shield now

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 8:45 PM

#

it should work for getting to cap faster

#

which is good for bossing

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 8:46 PM

#

Against bosses aren't you always getting the max leech or when you dodge is it falling off

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 8:46 PM

#

from what i can tell, going from 10->18 healing rec is +4-5% health received from leech and +6% health receiving from cons

#

max leech is going to be around 20% base + 10-15% from gear leech = 30-35% of your max health, paladin is around 50k so 15k/sec

#

i imagine youre still below 15k/sec most of the time as paladin, is that right? so healing rec is still fully beneficial

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 8:54 PM

#

its ultimately preference, +def for a bit more damage, -magic for some bosses.

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 8:55 PM

#

Hm youre right I'm still below the cap but I thought I was capping. But 1% leech is .5% hp cap, but thats a small difference should be near 13k cap still

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 8:56 PM

#

i need to double check dmg gain from +def but i think -magic or +hp is proly worth more

#

esp since reflect algorithm now halves def

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 8:56 PM

#

it'd be very marginal, whats the max roll on +def? like 4 or 5?

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 8:56 PM

#

yeah

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 8:56 PM

#

5 yea

#

I was just under the impression healing received was a deal roll now but I'll revisit it

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 8:57 PM

#

ReflectDamage: (100 + DEF/2 + FlatDEF/2) * 4 * Reflect%

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:01 PM

#

https://youtube.com/shorts/P281zOQCvVc?feature=share

YouTube

Bibe

1st time + unprepared solo SQ | #bibeisthename on #Twitch

#shorts #spiritvale

https://www.twitch.tv/bibeisthename

▶ Play video

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:12 PM

#

(100 + DEF/2 + FlatDEF/2) * 4 * Reflect
for me:
DEF=348
FlatDEF=512
Reflect=163

so +5 def is 0.47% more dmg

#

hp or heal rec seems more worth over 0.47% dmg

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 9:13 PM

#

0.47%...... ima just take that as a win because I already upgraded my def pieces LOL

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:14 PM

#

that's 235 more dmg per hit if you do 50k with SB, 470 if you do 100k, if that helps frame it better

formal sequoia Dec 20, 2025, 9:17 PM

#

for sacrifice i need to enchant holy on weapon ? ST build

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:19 PM

#

formal sequoia for sacrifice i need to enchant holy on weapon ? ST build

no, should be unrelated to eachother. if you enchant holy i think sacrifice will hurt you more because your own holy damage increases sacrifice's dmg vs yourself.

formal sequoia Dec 20, 2025, 9:20 PM

#

so... why people use it on st ? xD im lost

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:21 PM

#

because you can still sustain sacrifice despite it, and elemental dmg (holy or otherwise) should be multiplicative with other dmg types

#

and lotsa high lvl mobs are shadow and have elemental weakness vs holy

formal sequoia Dec 20, 2025, 9:21 PM

#

ahhhh, now i get it

#

its benefits the agains property basically

#

i was thinking that we gain extra damage with sacrifice on holy weapon

#

but it is agains mobs that are weak to holy

#

perfect ❤️ thx

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:22 PM

#

if you want high sacri dmg you need holy dmg +

#

so to maximize that you turn your ST/SB to holy tooo

#

and i think 9% sacri dmg is fixed

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:23 PM

#

yeah im not sure if holy dmg % affects sac, i'd be surprised cuz thatd be really strong, worth checking

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:24 PM

#

it does just tested, even better than carapace lol

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:24 PM

#

ooo nice

formal sequoia Dec 20, 2025, 9:24 PM

#

so... i do need to enchant weaponm with holy ?

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:24 PM

#

so if you dont have a strong need for one specific element, use holy i guess

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:25 PM

#

yeah

#

rn im just farming at the forge

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:25 PM

#

tribal cliff https://youtube.com/shorts/P281zOQCvVc?feature=share

then the boss spawned

#

still live rn

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 9:26 PM

#

holy weapon element doesn't increase Sacrifice damage. +Holy damage does

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:27 PM

#

yeah im assuming anyone talking about enchanting wep is also adding element dmg % to the wep

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:27 PM

#

karmic pine holy weapon element doesn't increase Sacrifice damage. +Holy damage does

yeah this

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:27 PM

#

that makes holy bishop even more bis 🤔

#

make sure you have one of these if you dont yet

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

#

paladin crest imo

#

get vit for hp and def+mdef

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

#

need to test the 2

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

#

if you're trying to max holy damage yea, I still prefer crest for overall use

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:29 PM

#

paladin crest def more tankiness, but for dps i needa confirm how much of an upgrade white bishop is

tribal cliff Dec 20, 2025, 9:32 PM

#

if any1 is on and have at least +9 vit3 hp2 i can try

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:37 PM

#

give me a few mins to test

#

14.7% more dmg from sacrifice though, so if you did a lot of really small numbers of dmg per hit for some reason, bishop might be better than. not expecting so given crest gives much more dmg to SB+ST

karmic pine Dec 20, 2025, 9:42 PM

#

prob cause Vit scaling on bash is 3%

#

and the additional def

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 9:43 PM

#

yeah if you were playing full ST itd be less stark of a difference

agile briar Dec 20, 2025, 9:52 PM

#

My highest on dummy is still bishop hood + archangel + 2skele card (a little higher than same cards + crest or creeper cards + crest). But kinda obvious if you're investing full in an element, the element hat is good

median quarry Dec 20, 2025, 10:00 PM

#

hold on let me redo that test i had some incorrect cards

#

Holy Bishop +8 vs Crest +8, w/ sacrifice & 16% holy dmg enchanted wep (no holy gem):
SB+sacrifice: Holy Bishop is 6.30% more damage
ST+sacrifice: Holy Bishop is 7.37% more damage
Sacrifice: Holy Bishop is 14.7% more dmg (specifically for sacrifice)

#

Would be slightly less % difference if both are +10 (as vit should scale better than holy dmg especially for SB), and would be slightly less % if you have holy gem (due to diminishing returns)

clear mason Dec 20, 2025, 10:10 PM

#

may I have some?

formal sequoia Dec 20, 2025, 10:12 PM

#

clear mason may I have some?

i give all, come weaver

clear mason Dec 20, 2025, 10:13 PM

#

wayfarer?

#

I'm by the resetter

#

😄

#

Man, going through this build change is rough, hahaha

drifting tendon Dec 20, 2025, 10:52 PM

#

I get a nice drop, now i need to sell it, so i can buy bastion and spike :v

clear mason Dec 21, 2025, 1:40 AM

#

What stats does this build need?

tribal cliff Dec 21, 2025, 1:42 AM

#

vit luk agi

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 1:48 AM

#

def ref ranged(st), melee(sb) crit critdam

plush citrus Dec 21, 2025, 2:36 AM

#

where can we get spiked helm?

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 2:36 AM

#

my health is still getting melted, even with bloodbound + holy resist on legs + sanctify. For bosses you are almost invincible with the right resist cards and NOT using Sac. The only way i see to use sac against high end bosses is sacrificing damage to put more holy resist card on shield or chest plasma suit. I don't know if someone is getting sucess using sac on bosses without making some changes

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 2:39 AM

#

plush citrus where can we get spiked helm?

demons maw

clear mason Dec 21, 2025, 2:39 AM

#

Where do I get ironshade helm?

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 2:43 AM

#

goblin village

#

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mtUGW3HlLo9Ht8I9fn9CgnXvAUDH6AHRkMkeAGC7DrM/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Google Docs

craftable items search

spare tartan Dec 21, 2025, 2:52 AM

#

is ST better than SB now?

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 2:54 AM

#

Shouldn't the question be the other way around? ST was the better build, Bash just got a shield

spare tartan Dec 21, 2025, 3:00 AM

#

idk i just started playing 2 days ago

spare tartan Dec 21, 2025, 3:26 AM

#

anyone have a ironshade helm 3vit/2hp for sale?

drifting tendon Dec 21, 2025, 3:33 AM

#

#

Close to finish :v

spare tartan Dec 21, 2025, 3:36 AM

#

the ironshade farm is killing me

drifting tendon Dec 21, 2025, 3:37 AM

#

spare tartan the ironshade farm is killing me

i took me 10h

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 3:37 AM

#

spare tartan is ST better than SB now?

SB > ST

broken horizon Dec 21, 2025, 3:45 AM

#

im struggling a bit to find what is the better overall equips

#

still leveling tho just became pala

kind cairn Dec 21, 2025, 3:52 AM

#

Damn wtf this thread has SO many comments s

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 4:04 AM

#

We always be theory crafting in here

tribal cliff Dec 21, 2025, 4:23 AM

#

plush whale my health is still getting melted, even with bloodbound + holy resist on legs + ...

check the clip i shared above. the goal is to increase your dmg so you can leech the dmg done to you by sacri + some. sacrificing your dmg is a no no based from my testing earlier

brave surge Dec 21, 2025, 6:09 AM

#

kind cairn Damn wtf this thread has SO many comments s

it's the guide + theory craft thread 😌

spare tartan Dec 21, 2025, 6:42 AM

#

should I use?

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 6:48 AM

#

Yeh its pretty good for dmg

brave surge Dec 21, 2025, 7:19 AM

#

spare tartan should I use?

if you're doing shield bash yes

#

very good shield

astral lantern Dec 21, 2025, 7:40 AM

#

Is there any summary on how to swap gear at current patch? Or do i just have to swap shield ?

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 8:07 AM

#

Difference between ST and SB build is pretty much just the shield. Though you could also have Melee Damage on Doom Crescent if going Bash

pseudo sphinx Dec 21, 2025, 9:46 AM

#

Pre-blood fang, is the new axe (on the right) worth to +10?

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 10:02 AM

#

pseudo sphinx Pre-blood fang, is the new axe (on the right) worth to +10?

nah health leech not a great stat on wep imo

#

better stick to bloodbound or bloodfang, that should be enough leech for SB, then you can pick up more DPS stats

pseudo sphinx Dec 21, 2025, 10:50 AM

#

Yeah I guess the weapon stat is too high to just pass aside

#

Ok I'll look for critdmg + melee dmg

elder loom Dec 21, 2025, 12:40 PM

#

which artifact is BIS for SB/ST?

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 12:48 PM

#

Titan

elder loom Dec 21, 2025, 12:48 PM

#

thank you

sand shuttle Dec 21, 2025, 3:33 PM

#

warlord emblem or golden aegis for ST?

low aurora Dec 21, 2025, 4:19 PM

#

Dps wise what is better atm. SB or ST?

prisma spruce Dec 21, 2025, 5:08 PM

#

SB is more damage

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 6:24 PM

#

median quarry `ReflectDamage: (100 + DEF/2 + FlatDEF/2) * 4 * Reflect%`

do you have more leach or more resist? i can't solo. against this boss its like i have 0 life steal using sac

#

#

#

using lightproof + vitality aura to healing

#

even if use more shadow resist, i just kill myself with sac against her

#

without sac i have infinite sustain but super low dmg. the only way i can think of its having a bloodfang wich i can't aford and tried multiple scrolls but 0 sucess. Or sacrifice even more damage to roly resist

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 6:33 PM

#

Spider Queen? You want neutral resist, I don't think she does any shadow damage

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 6:33 PM

#

karmic pine Spider Queen? You want neutral resist, I don't think she does any shadow damage

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 6:33 PM

#

That's her defensive element yes

#

Not what she attacks with. All physical hits are neutral

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 6:34 PM

#

so i need to go back to plasma suit and sacrifice even more damage 😭

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 6:39 PM

#

karmic pine That's her defensive element yes

tried this combo. i died easily anyway

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 6:51 PM

#

without knowing whats killing you i can't say. Put Archangel card in your weapon, that should help with the damage without needing to sacrifice

tribal cliff Dec 21, 2025, 6:54 PM

#

try putting life leech on acce card and mana leech on face

#

on armore try reflect card to increase your dmg

#

why do you have assassin btw

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 7:02 PM

#

karmic pine without knowing whats killing you i can't say. Put Archangel card in your weapon...

i tested plasma, other cards/builds with antivenom, shadow element on armor, neutral resist and more leech. not seems good. i'll try to drop the bloodfang, 99% of solo bosses are using this and i think it will help a lot

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 7:04 PM

#

sand shuttle warlord emblem or golden aegis for ST?

heaven's orbit for shield throw, fortified guardwall for shield bash

#

if you are viewing this guide discussion and haven't seen the original post recently, you can click the top right up arrow to go right back to it without scrolling through 1300 messages.
it has all the gear/stat/etc recommendations
#1440558934107750410 message might work too

sand shuttle Dec 21, 2025, 7:05 PM

#

Question does putting element on my weapon make fhe shield throw that element?

tribal cliff Dec 21, 2025, 7:09 PM

#

yes

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 8:25 PM

#

plush whale i tested plasma, other cards/builds with antivenom, shadow element on armor, neu...

okay so I think I know the big thing thats hurting. While her basic attack and dissonance well do neutral damage, she does cast Shadow Release which wil do big damage if you're Holy Element from Santify

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 8:27 PM

#

karmic pine okay so I think I know the big thing thats hurting. While her basic attack and d...

If i'm not using Sac, i tank a lot with the right cards but it will take like 15min to kill.

#

i'm trying to evade SR and other skills too

#

i don't know if there is a hidden debuff to reduce healing wich is not showing up. I was killing werewolf(lvl 30 boss) and i can't use sac without dying because he debuff me reducing something like 75% heal effect

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 8:30 PM

#

he does bleed which might stop leech

#

i need to find the list of status effects, i know someone made one

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 8:31 PM

#

karmic pine he does bleed which might stop leech

in normal cincustances my leech is fine bc i'm never below 98% hp, while spamming skills on dummy

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 9:18 PM

#

Where's your arc angel card?

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:35 PM

#

little hare Where's your arc angel card?

i need that? didn't sac already converts my damage in holy?

tribal cliff Dec 21, 2025, 9:36 PM

#

only sac is holy, you need the card to convert all your dmg to holy

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 9:36 PM

#

Nope it doesn't

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:36 PM

#

omg

#

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jesse-pinkman-aaron-paul-thirsty-drinking-water-gif-17731695

Tenor

#

i tested but no damage increased

#

on dummy

agile briar Dec 21, 2025, 9:38 PM

#

Pure double sanctified should be way more damage

#

Even on dummy but especially on boss

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:39 PM

#

#

i think it increased like 2k more on SB

#

around 50k dps on 10s dummy. nice. but still far from the guys hitting 110k per SB

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 9:42 PM

#

Use bishop hood

agile briar Dec 21, 2025, 9:43 PM

#

So your dp10 is 500k with sacrifice? Should be near double that, assuming all your stuff is 3vit as well

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:43 PM

#

oh i see. i was using bishop before, but i didn't notice the difference because my weapon wasn't on holly

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:43 PM

#

agile briar So your dp10 is 500k with sacrifice? Should be near double that, assuming all yo...

800k

little hare Dec 21, 2025, 9:44 PM

#

If you changed to shadow for the dummy you'll be over 1mil

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:44 PM

#

i'll try those changes and see

#

920k with hoodie. it sucks that i have str on the hoodie

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 9:46 PM

#

shadow vs dummy is just cheating dp10 😛

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:46 PM

#

dps/10 numbers can be deceiving this way, people showing them off usually do it with the right element

#

and sometimes non pratical builds

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:47 PM

#

but if i change to shadow, i will replace holy element and lose dps, no?

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 9:47 PM

#

dummy is weak vs shadow element

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:47 PM

#

You use shadow because thats what the dummy is weak to, and the hood wouldn't help that

#

better off with paladin crest in that test

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 9:48 PM

#

holy bishop is more ~7% more dps over crest for SB, if you are holy wep enchanted and using sac

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:48 PM

#

i know he is weak against shadown/poison. but how can i change to shadow without losing the holy element

#

just to test

agile briar Dec 21, 2025, 9:48 PM

#

You don't lol just forget about shadow for now since we're trying to optimize holy damage for spiderman fight

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:48 PM

#

you can't, thats why DPS/10 is unrelaible

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

#

ok. thanks

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

#

you'll also just natural do more damage against SQ because of Faith

median quarry Dec 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

#

can calculate boss resistances after you know your non-shadow dp10

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

#

i think with the blood gem this will slaps queen spider. But without this its just dark souls 4

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:50 PM

#

you do have to dodge stuff in boss fights, thats just how it is.

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:50 PM

#

karmic pine you do have to dodge stuff in boss fights, thats just how it is.

i'm not dying for the spells

#

my leech somehow not work properly and i'm killing myself with sac against her

#

everytime i see the debuffs, there is nothing saying about reducing healing, so IDK. some other bosses are easy

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:52 PM

#

of course other bosses are easy lol, CE, SQ, and Warchief are like the big 3 right now

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:53 PM

#

i was asking some priests. with blood gem they just stand and kill without moving.

karmic pine Dec 21, 2025, 9:53 PM

#

and that will likely be nerfed

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 9:54 PM

#

yeah. it was not intendend to solo this shit 😂

#

i really wanted to test. spent all of my money on summon scrolls and didn't get anything. classic

#

Lol '-' it was the holy element. now the leech works properly and i can solo the spider standing

#

https://tenor.com/view/fcblondedgif-gif-6473137128583678578

Tenor

#

thanks guys

#

WE DID

#

DAM

#

formal sequoia Dec 21, 2025, 11:07 PM

#

plush whale https://tenor.com/view/fcblondedgif-gif-6473137128583678578

FAZ O L

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 11:11 PM

#

formal sequoia FAZ O L

kkkkkkkkk

formal sequoia Dec 21, 2025, 11:12 PM

#

solou ela foi ?

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 11:12 PM

#

sim

formal sequoia Dec 21, 2025, 11:12 PM

#

boaa

drifting tendon Dec 21, 2025, 11:18 PM

#

@plush whale faz igual eu e mata sem o sacrificio e não esquece de desviar da poça

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

drifting tendon <@283207867383808001> faz igual eu e mata sem o sacrificio e não esquece de desv...

agr da pra mata com sac. era so converter pra holy msm

stiff sedge Dec 21, 2025, 11:21 PM

#

thats not english

plush whale Dec 21, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

stiff sedge thats not english

sry

#

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-dog-eyes-sad-saint-innocent-shrek-gif-5691457178792707091

Tenor

drifting tendon Dec 22, 2025, 1:02 AM

#

stiff sedge thats not english

kkkkk sry

midnight pawn Dec 22, 2025, 4:55 AM

#

median quarry if you are viewing this guide discussion and haven't seen the original post rece...

You have mentioned that you're unable to update the main post, is that still the case? I'm asking as I'm not sure whether I should scroll through and read 1000+ msgs or the post is accurate?

Also the int at 50 giving mana leech is that still the case?

karmic pine Dec 22, 2025, 5:00 AM

#

they've updated the main post I believe.
But probably needs to update that part. Its supposed to be every 50 Int improves mana on hit (which you need a card for)
But mana on hit was rolled into mana leech

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 5:29 AM

#

midnight pawn You have mentioned that you're unable to update the main post, is that still the...

It's been updated yeah, I had to rewrite it to get it to stop complaining about whatever combination of words.

#

How does the 50 int bonus work now? I thought before 50 int was +3 mana on hit for free.

midnight pawn Dec 22, 2025, 6:01 AM

#

karmic pine they've updated the main post I believe. But probably needs to update that part...

The batlord? So that doesn't give me any leech unless I have 50 int?

karmic pine Dec 22, 2025, 6:09 AM

#

median quarry How does the 50 int bonus work now? I thought before 50 int was +3 mana on hit f...

no it increased mana on hit before. It should still help natural mp regen and some aspects of mana leech

karmic pine Dec 22, 2025, 6:09 AM

#

midnight pawn The batlord? So that doesn't give me any leech unless I have 50 int?

what no. If you have the card you mana leech.

midnight pawn Dec 22, 2025, 6:14 AM

#

Ah okay

#

Shall buy that once I have the gold then, not strong enough to fight bosses

craggy jungle Dec 22, 2025, 1:45 PM

#

been having fun with pally

#

still need to fix a lot of gear tho

humble nexus Dec 22, 2025, 2:02 PM

#

Guys which stats are BIS for dooms crescent?

craggy jungle Dec 22, 2025, 2:30 PM

#

humble nexus Guys which stats are BIS for dooms crescent?

i would assume this

humble nexus Dec 22, 2025, 2:36 PM

#

thanks

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 3:48 PM

#

If you have enough crit, yes if not the standard is vit crit crit damage.

inner ruin Dec 22, 2025, 7:46 PM

#

humble nexus thanks

Depends on your specific build though, FYI.

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:15 PM

#

craggy jungle i would assume this

for SB build its better to you this cuz SB scale with meleedmg, but for ST you better look for vit/crit/critdmg

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:22 PM

#

spark vapor for SB build its better to you this cuz SB scale with meleedmg, but for ST you b...

how are you solving crit

#

without +10 on weapon

#

coz i'd be at 93% crit if i take off the crit on my doom

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:32 PM

#

you replace headgear 10def with headgear 15 crit

#

i believe 10 dmg melee scales better than 10 def + 10 crit dmg for SB

#

very minmaxing though 🙂

#

it'd be best to confirm by comparing two +10 weps though, since you want all the crit rate from refining doom crescent

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:34 PM

#

I have both perfect weapons

#

just need to put the card in helm and see

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:34 PM

#

nice. we need to compare:

doom crescent with dmg melee + crit dmg, crit rate card
doom crescent with dmg melee + crit dmg, def card
doom crescent with crit + crit dmg, def card

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:35 PM

#

need the crit card in helm if ur gonna drop crit on weapon

#

to be 100%

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:35 PM

#

it might be too close to tell due to crit rate rng differences, so just the shield bash and shield throw dmg numbers and crit rate + crit dmg stat numbers would be enough to math it out

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:36 PM

#

stiff sedge to be 100%

yeah the question is if 7% crit rate is worth it for 10% def.
10% def is ~3% dps, need to double check that though
7% crit rate is basically your crit dmg times 0.07 so 1.6*0.07 = 1.12% dps

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:37 PM

#

could be more tho

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:37 PM

#

I'm using vit3/meleedmg10/critdmg9 and my crit rn 93 with 100 luk and i foung its not much difference cuz the scale for luck is crit chance so after testing it doesnt really matter actually

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:37 PM

#

coz you can miss with not crit capped

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:37 PM

#

cuz im sb build

#

And i dont miss with every bosses

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:38 PM

#

good point you can miss... hmm

#

93 crit rate should be affected by hit rate 7% of the time. what's your hit rate luciel

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:38 PM

#

and I didnt experience that

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:38 PM

#

maybe only auto attacks miss?

#

im not sure

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:38 PM

#

#

hit chance 19%

#

we dont use auto attack?

#

im just fully using skill

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:39 PM

#

you should be missing 0.07 * (1-0.19) = 5.67% of the time with SB/ST, but never with cons (it's magic)

#

i thought melee/ranged skill was affected by hit rate but maybe not? 🤔

stiff sedge Dec 22, 2025, 8:40 PM

#

ye idk thats what i was wondering

#

if you can't miss then the def will be > crit , theoretically but will have to test to see if you can miss or not

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:41 PM

#

Blind from bosses gives you crit-25 -25hit -25 flee

#

Thats why im using cure skill

#

To dissarm the blind skill

#

But until now i rarely miss

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:46 PM

#

ok someone in chat confirmed you can miss with SB/ST, that's what i thought.

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:46 PM

#

And after i changed to melee dmg, my dmg went up to 10k differences

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:47 PM

#

melee dmg is definitely better than crit dmg just because less diminishing returns

#

the question is if dropping the 10 def for the crit rate is worth. i think so.

spare tartan Dec 22, 2025, 8:50 PM

#

ATK stat doesnt do anything correct?

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 8:50 PM

#

correct

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 8:54 PM

#

median quarry the question is if dropping the 10 def for the crit rate is worth. i think so.

Hmm interesting let me try using crit rate

#

I changed my def card to crit chance
My crit went up from 93 to 107 but my SB went from 74328 to 71307 (-3k) , ST 20966 to 20099 (-867)

median quarry Dec 22, 2025, 9:07 PM

#

yeah it would lower your dmg a little, 10% def is 4.3% more SB dmg. the question is if 4.3% more dmg is worth 5.67% missed hits and 7% non-critical hits

#

i would assume the crit rate is more valuable

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 9:23 PM

#

Yeah i think so

drifting tendon Dec 22, 2025, 9:27 PM

#

median quarry nice. we need to compare: 1. doom crescent with dmg melee + crit dmg, crit rate ...

I really enjoy this

spark vapor Dec 22, 2025, 9:35 PM

#

Based on my experience bossing with 93 crit, i found that i dont really see the differences with miss, and faster to kill with def card rather than crit chance, but it depends on your references with sb/st build. Just use the build that really suits and comfortable for you guys to play. Everything works with this build as a solo player for bossing.

tardy halo Dec 22, 2025, 11:15 PM

#

are endurance shoes BiS? running these right now but contemplating grinding for endurance since getting slow is annoying

plush whale Dec 22, 2025, 11:17 PM

#

tardy halo are endurance shoes BiS? running these right now but contemplating grinding for ...

vit per refine + card slot > all. Can use immune to slow card or 20% move speed

tardy halo Dec 22, 2025, 11:18 PM

#

ahh makes sense, just got these, but no atk spd... sigh

plush whale Dec 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

you can craft too in the same map

round whale Dec 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

anyone can pass skill three of SB/ST PLS

agile briar Dec 22, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

tardy halo ahh makes sense, just got these, but no atk spd... sigh

just add a little more agi until you get better ones, especially since we dont need int as much now IMO. only need that 170 atk speed mark

tardy halo Dec 22, 2025, 11:23 PM

#

gotcha, thanks guys

karmic pine Dec 22, 2025, 11:44 PM

#

round whale anyone can pass skill three of SB/ST PLS

Max out- Taunt, Endure, Fortify, Shield Reflect, Shield Bash, Shield Throw. Everything else you can figure it out

round whale Dec 23, 2025, 2:29 AM

#

tardy halo gotcha, thanks guys

ty bro!!!

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 3:56 AM

#

spark vapor for SB build its better to you this cuz SB scale with meleedmg, but for ST you b...

Damn now i gotta farm a better Doom 🥲

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 5:18 AM

#

my dmg still wack af only 10K dmg with shield throw

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 5:25 AM

#

craggy jungle my dmg still wack af only 10K dmg with shield throw

full buff pala?

little hare Dec 23, 2025, 6:24 AM

#

show gear/stats

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 8:27 AM

#

spark vapor full buff pala?

Yea

#

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 8:43 AM

#

Your stats have to mainly vit+3 if possible cuz vit is mandatory

#

Cuz st/sb dmg is scaling from vit

#

And try to reach 100 crit first and aspd 170 after buff

#

Then full vit and rest int for the stats

#

Use def 3 card per refine in your shield for dmg boost

#

For doom look fot vit/crit/crtdmg since you play st

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 9:00 AM

#

spark vapor And try to reach 100 crit first and aspd 170 after buff

Crit is just missing 1 lvl

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 9:07 AM

#

Look for crit 8 or 9 minimum on your doom it should be reach 100

#

But the alternative is you can also use crit chance card on headgear

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 9:31 AM

#

so i have to sell my weapon and grind another one

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 9:33 AM

#

What is your weapon stat?

little hare Dec 23, 2025, 10:04 AM

#

Def or ref card on shield. Enchant your weapon then use ele buff cards

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 10:08 AM

#

spark vapor What is your weapon stat?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 10:12 AM

#

craggy jungle

This is good for sb build , im using vit3+meleedmg10+critdmg10

#

Because sb is a melee type so its good for sb build

#

St is a ranged type

#

So you can either look for crit or ranged damaged instead of meleedmg

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 10:16 AM

#

farming the weapon gonna take a while

#

shouldin't i focus on the rest of the gear coz most of it r not Vit

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 10:21 AM

#

Yeah better focus on the rest of gear first

#

Aim vit3 and hp2%

#

All of your gears

#

Even the artifact also nned to be vit3/hp2%

#

If you have another plus for your gold after gather all the vit3 stuff, you can change your crown of spike to insect carapace for better def and bosst dmg (its like endgame things)

#

But if i were you i probably change to sb build, cuz your weapon is already decent

#

So ill change my shield to shield sb

#

But its up to you, just play whatever you find fun to play with , either sb or st

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 10:32 AM

#

@spark vapor i just want to kill mobs in every area

#

Fast

#

idc if its sb or st

#

Do i have to change a lot of stuff for Sb?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 10:37 AM

#

If you mean by fast i suggest you change to sb , cuz high dmg

#

Not really , sb and st have pretty much same set up gear

#

All vit

#

Just change the shield

#

And you ready to go

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 10:39 AM

#

ic

#

when i get back from work i will change

#

coz i can farm lvl 90-110 mobs

#

but i cant farm higher

#

and from 90-110 i kill them slowly

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 10:45 AM

#

Sure2 , im not sure about lvl ing cuz im a caster before when lvl ing up my paladin so you have try it yourself what suits you the best, have fun brother

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 11:15 AM

#

im lvl 102 rn with pally

little hare Dec 23, 2025, 11:16 AM

#

Put on arc Angel and farm in abyss. Easy levels

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 11:45 AM

#

little hare Put on arc Angel and farm in abyss. Easy levels

Archangel gem?

little hare Dec 23, 2025, 11:46 AM

#

card- gives holy ele

distant musk Dec 23, 2025, 12:05 PM

#

guys,

Fortified Guardwall Vs Heaven's Orbit ?

little hare Dec 23, 2025, 12:05 PM

#

shield bash is slightly more damage

distant musk Dec 23, 2025, 12:07 PM

#

tyy

elder loom Dec 23, 2025, 12:24 PM

#

How much aspd is good enough for pally sb build?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:26 PM

#

170 after buff is enough

elder loom Dec 23, 2025, 12:26 PM

#

Thanks boss!

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:38 PM

#

@spark vapor

#

#

#

#

#

#

#

#

my gear

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:39 PM

#

try to find all the stats vit+3

#

and hp+2

#

it doesnt matter atk or matk

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:40 PM

#

my dmg

elder loom Dec 23, 2025, 12:40 PM

#

@spark vapor may i ask what cards are u using on weap? Im lacking 4 crit stats and already used 1 hgear slot for crit rate+15.

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:41 PM

#

i enjoy shield throw more coz its faster cd

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:41 PM

#

Im using element cconvert and damage against type of element for bossing

#

i never used crit card dmg for weap

elder loom Dec 23, 2025, 12:42 PM

#

spark vapor Im using element cconvert and damage against type of element for bossing

How do u maintain 100 crit lol. My mind is not coping with this.

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:42 PM

#

you can just use crit change card on your headger

#

it will make your crit goes to 107

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:42 PM

#

this is the other shoes i got

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:42 PM

#

but for me i dont find any trouble with 93 crit

#

actually better use endurance shoes for dmg boost and def cuz of vit, but yours is int stat so try to find vit

elder loom Dec 23, 2025, 12:43 PM

#

Aha! Aight. If 93 is good enough for you that would mean ive been racking my brains for nothing lol. Thought we have to keep it at 100.

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:43 PM

#

but if you want to use plasma thats also fine, cuz of the hp you got

#

but sometimes i do miss but it doesnt make any problem for me still do tons of dmg

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:44 PM

#

hey luc can you send me ur current gears for SB/ST?

#

thanks!

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:45 PM

#

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:46 PM

#

guardwall is for SB spam right

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:46 PM

#

yup

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:47 PM

#

is there anything else u aiming to improve in this setup?

#

titan plate is bis?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:47 PM

#

With these gears you should more or less got 145k ish SB against SQ but still have to becarefull cuz only have 9% leach for me

#

Hmm its already endgame gear for me, when im facing cosmic or warchief im using plasma suit and night greaves and i can tanking all their skills

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:49 PM

#

i see. im planning to run this with another pally friend of mine to farm SQ. stacking 2 auras and consec maybe we can facetank it

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:49 PM

#

titan plate vit3/hp2/atk2 all of them

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:49 PM

#

that makes sense. i might go for plasma suit then

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:49 PM

#

Yeah already try with warchief and i can tank the earthquake

#

but kinda annoying from the knockback only

#

but afterall its good to go against any boss imo with this build

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

#

spark vapor Yeah already try with warchief and i can tank the earthquake

which gear should i farm first

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

#

all of your gears should be stats with vit 3

#

so you might try to change all of them to vit 3

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

#

hmm are u able to cap your leech with this setup?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

#

the one with vit3 you can keep it

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

#

this i don't switch right

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:51 PM

#

my leech only 9%

#

also have bloodfang gem for different kind of bosses

#

so yeah i just adjust one or two gears to adapt

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 12:51 PM

#

oh it's only 5,300 hp per tick about 10,600 per sec cap on leech w/o leech items

#

at 53k hp

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:52 PM

#

craggy jungle this i don't switch right

yyup still decent gear, i also sometimes use this if im too lazy to move around against sq

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:53 PM

#

the problem i got so many stuff in my storage if only i could sell so i can buy gear

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:53 PM

#

just farm it bro, sometimes you get another gear that you dont use buy you can sell

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:54 PM

#

where do i farm ironshade if u dont mind me asking

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:55 PM

#

goblin village

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:55 PM

#

hate that area

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:56 PM

#

gather the mats and craft at the npc in goblin village

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 12:56 PM

#

too many mobs spreaded around

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 12:57 PM

#

Yeah

tribal cliff Dec 23, 2025, 12:59 PM

#

https://discord.com/channels/1257586742865956875/1453008772581560476

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 1:57 PM

#

spark vapor Yeah

is Death Grin Vit 3 Hp 2 good?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 2:00 PM

#

Good but better use ironshade

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 2:02 PM

#

Vit 3 + Hp 2

#

right

#

@spark vapor

#

do i need better than that?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 2:13 PM

#

its good for st

craggy jungle Dec 23, 2025, 2:13 PM

#

better than mine?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 2:24 PM

#

both are decent, one for sb and the other for st

sick belfry Dec 23, 2025, 2:53 PM

#

spark vapor both are decent, one for sb and the other for st

do you still use sacri?

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 3:15 PM

#

Yes

spark vapor Dec 23, 2025, 6:39 PM

#

@median quarry I think i solved the problem with my 93 crit, i try to get dex for hit chance rate 100% and rest vit, so that my dmg still high and not get miss

#

And only using bat lord still can maintain my mana

median quarry Dec 23, 2025, 6:53 PM

#

spark vapor <@99320464593158144> I think i solved the problem with my 93 crit, i try to get ...

nice! what'd your stats end up at?

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 1:27 AM

#

How's this

#

Sad I didn't get def 5

#

=/

radiant kettle Dec 24, 2025, 1:38 AM

#

Is triple Creeper a good card for weap on ST build

median quarry Dec 24, 2025, 1:41 AM

#

radiant kettle Is triple Creeper a good card for weap on ST build

yeah it's pretty good. elemental dmg should be BiS as long as the enemy isn't resistant

radiant kettle Dec 24, 2025, 1:43 AM

#

Lvl 90 and this is what I got so far, slowly building up for Endurance set.

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 1:57 AM

#

5 def even make that big of a difference?

#

Or should I just keep that shield

radiant kettle Dec 24, 2025, 1:57 AM

#

OMG why did I have to get a good oathbreaker weapon

#

Should I switch. LMAO

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 1:58 AM

#

clear mason Or should I just keep that shield

i personally prefer what you have, got the same one

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 2:02 AM

#

=0

#

Nice

#

Okay, I'll keep it then, thanks!

karmic pine Dec 24, 2025, 2:13 AM

#

That's an awful oath breaker lol. You don't need leech or crit

radiant kettle Dec 24, 2025, 2:26 AM

#

karmic pine That's an awful oath breaker lol. You don't need leech or crit

OH! I thought oathbreakers need Crit

karmic pine Dec 24, 2025, 2:26 AM

#

magic skills do not crit

#

unless stated otherwise (smite?)

spare tartan Dec 24, 2025, 2:49 AM

#

what class does impale build?

karmic pine Dec 24, 2025, 3:04 AM

#

Knight/Paladin/Weaver/Summoner

spare tartan Dec 24, 2025, 3:06 AM

#

is there a pala auto attack build?

karmic pine Dec 24, 2025, 3:07 AM

#

Impale?

#

Also this is Shield Bash/Throw guide not #paladin

inner ruin Dec 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

#

I'm going to try something

#

Okay never mind, unpinning that (didn't improve anything).
There's so many messages in this thread that the "jump to top" button doesn't behave as well as it should.

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 6:55 AM

#

how does shield bash work

#

coz the 0.9cd is annoying ngl

#

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 6:58 AM

#

The rotation is SB->ST->ST->SB , you cant just spammed SB, its not how it works

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 6:59 AM

#

so ST is easier it seems

#

coz just spam ST while SB is off cd

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 7:03 AM

#

Yep

median quarry Dec 24, 2025, 7:09 AM

#

yeah you have to jump to top and then scroll up for 2 seconds, for whatever reason

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 7:15 AM

#

just got this

#

so far that what im missing

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 7:29 AM

#

craggy jungle just got this

hare card on it?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 7:37 AM

#

card on shoes doesnt really matter, you can go for immun slow or spd

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 7:46 AM

#

It hurts to look at

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 7:49 AM

#

good?

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 7:50 AM

#

craggy jungle good?

That's what I ahve

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 7:51 AM

#

clear mason It hurts to look at

if only this was Vit

#

i would have came to ur house while u r asleep and traded it to my self 🤣

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 7:56 AM

#

clear mason It hurts to look at

Hahaha unlucky

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 7:56 AM

#

craggy jungle good?

Good

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 8:14 AM

#

What's better 10% HP or 3 Vit?

median quarry Dec 24, 2025, 8:16 AM

#

clear mason What's better 10% HP or 3 Vit?

3vit is more dps, 10%hp is more tankiness and tiny bit more healing

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 8:17 AM

#

I'll probably wear this for now till I get a better one

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 8:31 AM

#

so close

#

4 more items left to work on

#

12K dmg rn

#

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 8:39 AM

#

=0

#

Didn't know you could do multiple of the same gem

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 8:39 AM

#

You cant

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

So only 1 work?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 8:41 AM

#

yup

clear mason Dec 24, 2025, 8:41 AM

#

Shit would've been so busted

#

lmao

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 8:42 AM

#

dam why did i refine the 2nd one then

#

im dumb

#

thank god i didnt buy the 2nd one tho it dropped for me

#

the witcher cosplay

royal basin Dec 24, 2025, 9:27 AM

#

would you use 2 obsidian bands vs 1 endurance gloves for batlord card and haste 5 card?

agile briar Dec 24, 2025, 10:51 AM

#

royal basin would you use 2 obsidian bands vs 1 endurance gloves for batlord card and haste ...

Eventually you can drop haste card with enough points in agi to get 170 atk spd buffed

#

So endurance gloves is good even with no card slot

royal basin Dec 24, 2025, 10:55 AM

#

170 is the goal for agi then rest int then? with the new shield is it more viable still to st rather than sb?

tardy halo Dec 24, 2025, 11:07 AM

#

what's bis stats for endurance greaves? health leech + HP regen?

royal basin Dec 24, 2025, 11:51 AM

#

vit3 health leech 5 i guess

craggy jungle Dec 24, 2025, 12:44 PM

#

paladin crest or spikesteel helm or white bishop hood

little hare Dec 24, 2025, 12:47 PM

#

Bishop against shadow mobs obviously. The other 2 test yourself, depends how much def u have

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 12:54 PM

#

Better just use paladin for more survivability and get more def mdef

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 3:43 PM

#

is possible for ST/SB pala to kill spider queen?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 3:44 PM

#

Yes

#

Im farming sq everyday

#

2 and half min more or less

#

For me to kill

#

Already try kill all the boss except the nexus boss

#

And its doable

#

It took 5 mins for me to kill warchief and cosmic also

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 3:46 PM

#

how much damage u deal to dummies

#

u usin titan arti or corp?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 3:56 PM

#

For st/sb use titan the best

#

I dont really look my dmg against dummies cuz they are neutral and sometimes i have to change my gear and ele but if im not mistaken around 77-80k for my sb and st just 20-25k ish?

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 4:11 PM

#

spark vapor For st/sb use titan the best

what gems are you using?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:12 PM

#

Holy, bastion , spike, sb , bloodfang just mix match these 5 depending on the monster

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 4:13 PM

#

thanks! do you also have razor?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:14 PM

#

No i dont 😢

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 4:15 PM

#

still got motivation to farm then haha

#

should replace bastion right?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:17 PM

#

Yep if you have razor

#

I need that gem but im too broke to buy and not good with my luck 😢

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 4:19 PM

#

it will drop just trust🙏

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:24 PM

#

tribal cliff it will drop just trust🙏

Hopefully Christmas gift 🫣

tribal cliff Dec 24, 2025, 4:25 PM

#

someone got his at #chat

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

spark vapor Holy, bastion , spike, sb , bloodfang just mix match these 5 depending on the mo...

u don't use ST gem?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

Yeah how lucky he is

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

weak current u don't use ST gem?

No i dont, im sb build

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 4:39 PM

#

u dont run out of mana tho?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 4:42 PM

#

No, im using batlord against higher boss

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 5:24 PM

#

is dis enough for now?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 5:26 PM

#

decent but better look for vit, hp, magic/healing

weak current Dec 24, 2025, 5:28 PM

#

dis seems pretty decent too, no?

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 5:29 PM

#

For sb yes

royal basin Dec 24, 2025, 6:07 PM

#

@spark vapor when you say SB build do you mean you don't use ST at all? 😮

spark vapor Dec 24, 2025, 6:08 PM

#

Im still using ST, but my rotation for attacking are SB->ST->ST->SB

#

And im uusing SB shield

royal basin Dec 24, 2025, 6:17 PM

#

Copy idol thanks!

sick belfry Dec 24, 2025, 9:50 PM

#

my dmg seems low rn

#

#

nvm its good dmg.

drifting tendon Dec 24, 2025, 10:24 PM

#

I need a better insect carapace :v

sick belfry Dec 24, 2025, 10:46 PM

#

might drop leech stuff. im pretty sure i dont cap my leech

spare tartan Dec 24, 2025, 11:12 PM

#

selling if anyone needs

eternal vigil Dec 25, 2025, 12:02 AM

#

have this but with mp%... nice item

clear mason Dec 25, 2025, 12:02 AM

#

Mine's 1% atk

eternal vigil Dec 25, 2025, 12:03 AM

#

im def jealous - that HP is niiiiice

eternal vigil Dec 25, 2025, 3:05 AM

#

for sale!

inner ruin Dec 25, 2025, 3:30 AM

#

#trade 😭
-# this guide is congested enough as it is

spare tartan Dec 25, 2025, 3:44 AM

#

Atk% does nothing for SB/ST build right?

little hare Dec 25, 2025, 3:59 AM

#

Vit def refl crit dam and ele dam

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 7:45 AM

#

anyone have forti shield for sale?

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 8:00 AM

#

I have this if you interested @weak current

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 9:33 AM

#

spark vapor I have this if you interested <@502041596213067796>

mi confused men

#

mi not kno if SB > ST

median quarry Dec 25, 2025, 9:45 AM

#

SB is 10-20% higher dmg on average last I checked

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 10:00 AM

#

median quarry SB is 10-20% higher dmg on average last I checked

2 obsidian band better than 1 endu gaunlet and 1 obsidian?

#

for ST i mean

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:04 AM

#

1 endu 1 obsi better for me, but you can test it by yourself for comparison

median quarry Dec 25, 2025, 10:08 AM

#

for SB, 1 endur gauntlet. for ST, you'd have to compare 2 obsi vs 1 endur+1obsi, because the vit from endur gauntlet doesn't scale as well.

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:13 AM

#

median quarry for SB, 1 endur gauntlet. for ST, you'd have to compare 2 obsi vs 1 endur+1obsi,...

Yupp

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 10:16 AM

#

so BIS for Doom Crescent ST is Vit/Damage Range/Crit damage

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 10:18 AM

#

obsidian > safety gloves?

#

for sb atkspd doesnt matter right cause you still wait for 1sec cd

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:19 AM

#

weak current so BIS for Doom Crescent ST is Vit/Damage Range/Crit damage

Yes, but if ranged damage is hard to obtain for doom, i never encounter once since i played, better vit/Crit/Critdmg if you can for starter

#

Aspd just 170 after buffs

#

thats already enough

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 10:19 AM

#

i see.

#

so u still use bat card? or do you think immune to poison card is enough

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:20 AM

#

Yyep obsidian>safety gloves, already tested the dmg still higher with obsidian rather than safety

#

yep im still using it

#

just use cure skills

#

no need to use poison card

#

cure skill doesnt need cd

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 10:21 AM

#

that can work

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:21 AM

#

so you can put def card on headger for dmg boost and def

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 10:21 AM

#

imma try obsi then i was thinking you get more out of safety cause more hp and defenses to tank dmg but i guess were tanky enough

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 10:29 AM

#

https://tenor.com/view/disgust-ew-seriously-eyeroll-gif-8081658

Tenor

#

spark vapor Dec 25, 2025, 10:36 AM

#

I have these if you interested

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 10:46 AM

#

da one wid def gives more damage. no?

#

i think there's no damage range on Doom Crescent

tardy halo Dec 25, 2025, 11:08 AM

#

are bastion gems and spike gems similar value? i just got a second bastion

spare tartan Dec 25, 2025, 4:19 PM

#

tardy halo are bastion gems and spike gems similar value? i just got a second bastion

your greed sickens me

twin mortar Dec 25, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

bruh

tardy halo Dec 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

#

spare tartan your greed sickens me

I’m just lookin to get a spike gem

weak current Dec 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

#

what's the maximum damage ST can deal atm?

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

#

weak current what's the maximum damage ST can deal atm?

prolly 40k

spare tartan Dec 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

#

is there a way to make sacrifice not kill you lmao

twin mortar Dec 25, 2025, 6:35 PM

#

get more holy resistance

karmic pine Dec 25, 2025, 6:54 PM

#

Resistance + Santify + Leech

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 8:19 PM

#

spare tartan is there a way to make sacrifice not kill you lmao

get more dmg/defenses/plasma chest

#

i suggest sticking to SB instead of ST, st dmg feels lacking

tight shuttle Dec 25, 2025, 8:20 PM

#

I swap out to death's grin and bloodfang for bossing

#

a little slower, but you can easily just stand there and oversustain spider

#

gotta move out of dissonance well though

sick belfry Dec 25, 2025, 8:22 PM

#

i removed my spiderfang for safety gloves. with plasma chest and enough def/mdef SQ dont deal enough dmg to get you below 90%. also at like 50k+ hp its hard to cap leech on single target

#

im using neutral resist on pants for extra resists on shadow release, does like 50% of my max hp when he does the skill

median quarry Dec 25, 2025, 9:28 PM

#

I calculated safety is ~1.5-2% less DPS than obsi band for SB, but you get a little tankiness

#

plasma chest is insanely strong for tankiness if you are struggling, all resis is powerful, surprised if it doesnt get nerfed

#

for sacrifice on SB you should only need sanctify + bloodbound or bloodfang for leech, you'd only need more tankiness if fighting a high lvl boss

#

you can also put holy resis on pants since that's just replacing an unnecessary move/atk speed card

weak current Dec 26, 2025, 11:39 AM

#

is it fine to only have 98 crit?

spark vapor Dec 26, 2025, 11:40 AM

#

If you are ST main you better have 100 crit

weak current Dec 26, 2025, 11:41 AM

#

but for SB?

spark vapor Dec 26, 2025, 11:42 AM

#

I'm currently only 93 crit, and it doesnt trouble me

#

Sometimes i do miss for my ST but i have high dmg for my SB

#

So its like win win for me

#

I can just change my card on headgear for another crit chan so it doesnt matter for me

weak current Dec 26, 2025, 11:44 AM

#

93 crit is capped for +10 d.crescent?

spark vapor Dec 26, 2025, 11:47 AM

#

yup

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 2:55 PM

#

what are yall asking santa for if ur here? im thinking endu plate or crescent 3/10/10 since its harder to roll those than 3/2/2s

royal basin Dec 26, 2025, 2:56 PM

#

crescent 3 10 10 for me going for crit damage and melee damage XD

sick belfry Dec 26, 2025, 2:59 PM

#

plasma > endu. plasma 3 vit 10 hp -5magic dmg is a must

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 2:59 PM

#

think theyll make me a ranged damage crescent LOL

sick belfry Dec 26, 2025, 3:00 PM

#

i find it easier to farm doom crescents compared to farming fortified guardwall shield

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 3:04 PM

#

yeah i think the same, im just still hesistant to switch to SB build its janky xD

sick belfry Dec 26, 2025, 3:05 PM

#

true it'll take sometime to adapt specially in bossing

#

but its way better than shield throw

#

doign 160k SB vs SQ rn

royal basin Dec 26, 2025, 3:25 PM

#

What would be BIS for fortified shield?

#

Or what about an insect Carapace? 😄

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 3:35 PM

#

ppl say Vit/HP/-Magic% for shield but now i'm a healing received/-magic% believer tbh. but thats based on vibes not math, could be wrong

royal basin Dec 26, 2025, 3:37 PM

#

Fortified Guardwall +3 vit +10HP +10Healing Received then? XD

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 3:42 PM

#

im gonna go 3vit +10healing -5magic%, my logic is i have enough health pool already to take any hit, but taking less damage per hit and healing more = sustain it back easier

sick belfry Dec 26, 2025, 3:48 PM

#

yeah its to mitigate damage

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:44 PM

#

anyone have a vid mobbing with SB? torn between wanna ST/SB shield since ive only been playing ST

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:48 PM

#

only diff is you SB often

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:49 PM

#

whats the diff in dps? SB miles better than ST?

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:51 PM

#

hard to test on dummy, rotation is really clunky. but if you want burst dmg go SB

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:51 PM

#

wait, i think i just saw your vid soloing spider

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:51 PM

#

like 2 SB and the mob is gone

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:51 PM

#

timber coral wait, i think i just saw your vid soloing spider

that could be me, with lvl 6 ST hahahaha

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:51 PM

#

you using ST i think

#

yessss

#

yeah after watching you vid makes me torn cause been playing ST all this while hahaha

#

yolo SB i guess

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:53 PM

#

hard to drop my free leech on wandering mobs while killing the boss haha

#

if you have the shield you can try and see if you like the gameplay better

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:54 PM

#

but queueing at the moment for the santa

tribal cliff Dec 26, 2025, 4:55 PM

#

you gonna wish for SB shield?

timber coral Dec 26, 2025, 4:59 PM

#

think so. still torn HAHAH

sick belfry Dec 26, 2025, 5:52 PM

#

i got sb shield with -5 magic resist and crafted a plasma chest with -4 10hp and 3 vit

#

really good against SQ you can just stand in dissonance

median quarry Dec 26, 2025, 8:55 PM

#

royal basin What would be BIS for fortified shield?

check the top of the post, there are some stat recommendations. can click the top right arrow if youre on desktop
heal received > -magic, since we can leech a ton due to high health and have multiple other options for resis.
def is highest dps
HP is better for tankiness

#

chest: plasma > endur if youre dying, plasma's all resis is crazy strong and I wouldn't be surprised if it was nerfed. if youre not dying, endur for more DPS

queen reef Dec 26, 2025, 10:23 PM

#

this build work or full nerf ?

agile briar Dec 26, 2025, 10:29 PM

#

queen reef this build work or full nerf ?

still one of top builds

queen reef Dec 26, 2025, 10:32 PM

#

oh !

candid python Dec 27, 2025, 8:11 AM

#

anyone got a decent JB build?

weak current Dec 27, 2025, 2:31 PM

#

is safety glove good?

craggy jungle Dec 27, 2025, 2:47 PM

#

weak current is safety glove good?

yea u r more tanky with it

halcyon mango Dec 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

#

candid python anyone got a decent JB build?

Ask here https://discord.com/channels/1257586742865956875/1416162646234759340. This thread is for st/sb build.

candid python Dec 27, 2025, 8:35 PM

#

i see that i was in the ST/SB thread thats my bad @halcyon mango

queen reef Dec 28, 2025, 8:53 AM

#

have a question, i have 0 life leech, +5% leech on bloodbound and 4% on doom crescent + gem consecration

#

i got detroyed all time

little hare Dec 28, 2025, 9:07 AM

#

are you using Sacrifice without using Sanctify

queen reef Dec 28, 2025, 9:08 AM

#

yes

median quarry Dec 28, 2025, 7:07 PM

#

queen reef yes

try using sacrifice with sanctify

#

you can use a card to put holy resistance on pants as well

queen reef Dec 28, 2025, 7:35 PM

#

median quarry try using sacrifice with sanctify

yeah, its ok now, i spent 4more pts on sanctify for 5min buff ^^

queen reef Dec 29, 2025, 1:20 PM

#

its a good doom or leech was better ?

spark vapor Dec 29, 2025, 1:26 PM

#

queen reef its a good doom or leech was better ?

Good if you play shield throw, better this one than leech

queen reef Dec 29, 2025, 1:27 PM

#

spark vapor Good if you play shield throw, better this one than leech

i use st and sb

#

rocky cipher Dec 29, 2025, 3:57 PM

#

i just go to paladin, need some help with what should i start farming for now. doing shield throw

pseudo sphinx Dec 29, 2025, 6:34 PM

#

How much would u buy it for?

karmic pine Dec 29, 2025, 7:41 PM

#

rocky cipher i just go to paladin, need some help with what should i start farming for now. d...

level till you can farm in Sanctum. Skystrider armor is good, craft Paladin Crest

median quarry Dec 29, 2025, 7:57 PM

#

pseudo sphinx How much would u buy it for?

you want heal received ideally, for more leech strength

queen reef Dec 29, 2025, 8:15 PM

#

vit hp leech bis stats ?

median quarry Dec 29, 2025, 9:24 PM

#

queen reef vit hp leech bis stats ?

BiS stats are under Recommended gear stats in OP: #1440558934107750410 message

health leech isn't BiS. you only need one source to sustain pretty much everything, so either bloodbound pants or bloodfang gem.

zealous granite Dec 30, 2025, 11:04 AM

#

Switching from Shield Throw to elemental gems makes a huge difference in DPS 😊

left bridge Dec 30, 2025, 11:46 AM

#

Hey guys ! Did the first guide is updated ? Like Bloodbound still the best if don't have Bloodfang gem ?

rocky cipher Dec 30, 2025, 4:25 PM

#

karmic pine level till you can farm in Sanctum. Skystrider armor is good, craft Paladin Cres...

ok

karmic pine Dec 30, 2025, 5:38 PM

#

not sure if these made teh patch notes

brave surge Dec 30, 2025, 5:43 PM

#

😤

#

I can't pull a whole room now?

#

😭

karmic pine Dec 30, 2025, 5:44 PM

#

why not?

spare tartan Dec 30, 2025, 5:48 PM

#

lmao priest and summoner channels in shambles

#

such a shame , i JUST finished my summoner too T.T

brave surge Dec 30, 2025, 5:53 PM

#

karmic pine why not?

Taunt duration don't scale anymore

#

And they get slowed....

#

I can't run around spam taunt 🥺

agile briar Dec 30, 2025, 5:54 PM

#

big hit for SB mobbing, ST stocks back up

brave surge Dec 30, 2025, 5:54 PM

#

Also kinda bummer for sb u gotta taunt every 4s now unlike before was like every 15s I think

tribal cliff Dec 30, 2025, 5:56 PM

#

karmic pine not sure if these made teh patch notes

can skill changes like these be included in the patch notes 🥺

karmic pine Dec 30, 2025, 5:58 PM

#

I think Phil just forgot, was a lot of changes

#

Taunt still says Duration: 5+ 2 per level?

spark vapor Dec 30, 2025, 6:39 PM

#

SB/ST still fine, but need adjust against warchief, cant tank earthquake anymore

frail kernel Dec 30, 2025, 8:07 PM

#

How sb st heals works? I moved today from Knight and i was using heal leech on artifacts to maintain sustain, i can change it to titan and still heal a lot ?

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 8:11 PM

#

Bloodbound pants with leech roll I believe should be good

#

With healing received on chest and shield to up the leech numbers

#

Or if you got money, get a bloodfang gem

frail kernel Dec 30, 2025, 8:13 PM

#

tardy halo Or if you got money, get a bloodfang gem

How much it costs

#

In avarege

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 8:14 PM

#

frail kernel How much it costs

Recent sales put it at 45-55m, you can see vending history on spiritvale.info

#

Somebody might do the trade for 40m tho

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 9:14 PM

#

im at 77% crit rate (+8 doom crescent with no crit stat line) and still doing nearly the same dp10 as before (5-8% dp10 nerf without changing gear). you almost definitely wanna use a housefly junk card now. will have to do more comparisons of crit rate vs def/dmg trade off on gear, but likely def and melee dmg wins out.

#

showcasing dmg melee / crit dmg should be your best option for SB.
assuming 150% crit dmg / 83% crit rate with +10 doom crescent, comparing wep stat lines:
10 crit dmg vs 10 crit: 10 crit dmg wins by 2.25%
(1*.17+1.6*0.83)/(1*.07+1.5*0.93) = 2.25%

10 dmg melee vs 10 crit: 10 dmg melee wins by 5.76%
(1.1*.17+(1.1*1.6*0.83))/(1*.07+1.6*0.93) = 5.76%

#

post-patch, move a few points from int to dex, to make sure you get your hit rate to 100%, given SB/ST can miss if it's not a crit.

karmic pine Dec 30, 2025, 9:34 PM

#

Have you looked at Taunt/Stagger now affecting ranged damage? Should help ST builds a bit

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 9:35 PM

#

karmic pine Have you looked at Taunt/Stagger now affecting ranged damage? Should help ST bui...

should bring DP10 closer to SB, SB should still outshine it but might be by <10%

#

but for an easier rotation and more kitability, might be worth to some people that don't wanna heavily minmax dps

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 10:46 PM

#

I need 4% crit

#

Any ideas?

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 10:47 PM

#

Weapon crit rate card, forgot the name of it

#

Housefly nom I think

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 10:48 PM

#

hmm thats +10

#

i can take some LUK out i guess

#

can't even redistribute my attributes better either..

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 10:51 PM

#

Or housefly icky on acc, and replace vocal with eyeball blue for mana

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 10:51 PM

#

Ill need a headslot open vor stun immune

#

atleast

#

so can't fuck with head slot sadly

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 10:51 PM

#

But lose silence yeah

#

Doom nerfs :/

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 10:52 PM

#

96% might be ok ish idk

#

i go to 107% with +10 crit card

#

lol

#

and i can't lower my crit either

#

no other useful attribute stat to take

tardy halo Dec 30, 2025, 10:56 PM

#

Yeah I think that’s probably best, I’m not sure if the missing 4% would affect SB build too much

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:18 PM

#

stiff sedge 96% might be ok ish idk

yeah this, we have to be OK with not hitting 100% crit rate. 10 def is very likely better than 4% crit rate

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

no no

#

im 83% without housefly junk

#

so i need that housefly junk card

#

unless i sit at 95% with a nom card

#

def vs crit dmg

zealous granite Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

median quarry yeah this, we have to be OK with not hitting 100% crit rate. 10 def is very like...

Should the hit rate be 100%?

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

zealous granite Should the hit rate be 100%?

yes, move a few points from int to dex

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

int doesnt increase leech anymore right?

#

it used to increase the on hit effects each 50 points

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

i have been asking if there is a new 50 int effect but have not gotten an answer yet

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:21 PM

#

yeah coz if there isnt int is kinda ass other than mdef

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:21 PM

#

yeah, it's mostly just a stat to dump points into when nothing else useful can be increased

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:21 PM

#

which could be dex instead for hit rate so i wont have to think about the crit rate hahaha

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

yeah i needed <5 points into dex to get 100% hit rate haha

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

yeah its silly we have no real other useful attributes rly

median quarry Dec 30, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

paladin buffs are strong and ST scales really simply

stiff sedge Dec 30, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

yea

stiff sedge Dec 31, 2025, 5:53 AM

#

ST doesnt proc Sac anymore now?

#

I take damage but no damage number on dummy?

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 5:53 AM

#

U guys think Housefly nom>Housefly Junk?
Lose Cdmg 7% than 10% def?

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 5:53 AM

#

stiff sedge I take damage but no damage number on dummy?

true

stiff sedge Dec 31, 2025, 5:54 AM

#

seems like a bug maybe

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 5:55 AM

#

My SB hits 2 times too

#

stiff sedge Dec 31, 2025, 5:55 AM

#

lol wait what

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 5:55 AM

#

isit lag

#

must be lag

#

moon server things

#

but yea I think sacri right now isn't working

karmic pine Dec 31, 2025, 5:58 AM

#

Its a bug i think, Phil is aware of it

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 5:59 AM

#

Wait I really think shield bash ticks twice rn is it just me

stiff sedge Dec 31, 2025, 6:00 AM

#

it does hit twice ye

#

im sure its a bug haha

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 6:00 AM

#

yea when u hold on it

#

anyway

#

what do u guys think

brave surge Dec 31, 2025, 6:02 AM

#

brave surge U guys think Housefly nom>Housefly Junk? Lose Cdmg 7% than 10% def?

^

#

my test so far

#

and I get more def

#

94% crit only tho

karmic pine Dec 31, 2025, 6:38 AM

#

Sacricie should work properly now

royal basin Dec 31, 2025, 12:53 PM

#

How much would bastion gems usually go for?

drifting tendon Dec 31, 2025, 11:52 PM

#

royal basin How much would bastion gems usually go for?

https://spiritvale.info/gems/bastion-gem

Bastion Gem - SpiritVale Info

A gem infused with ancient essence. When embedded into an Artifact, it awakens hidden strength within its bearer. | Def: +2% per refine

#

there is one in moon for 38.5m

subtle cloak Jan 1, 2026, 4:17 PM

#

can someone link their skill build for SB/ST

craggy jungle Jan 1, 2026, 4:22 PM

#

subtle cloak can someone link their skill build for SB/ST

median quarry Jan 1, 2026, 8:34 PM

#

Another skill tree #1440558934107750410 message

#

Would recommend 4 points into Aegis of Light, it's really good for popping as an oh shit button or at the start of a massive pull that'd otherwise kill you

agile briar Jan 2, 2026, 12:34 AM

#

Also vitality aura is quite good now that we perma sacrifice. It increases your leech and damage by a good bit (on top of obviously more health)

plain stump Jan 2, 2026, 9:08 AM

#

Hey Sakaiyo! First of all, congrats again on your dedication to this guide, I think at this point you're the ST paragon 🤣
A few questions, if you don't mind, as I only read the initial post:
1 - do st paladins not run sac? And if they do, is there any common compromises you do for holy res?
2 - if you dont run sac, have you combined with aa?

spark vapor Jan 2, 2026, 9:12 AM

#

plain stump Hey Sakaiyo! First of all, congrats again on your dedication to this guide, I th...

Im still running sac against bosses, only have 1 holy rest on leg and already enough

plain stump Jan 2, 2026, 9:12 AM

#

spark vapor Im still running sac against bosses, only have 1 holy rest on leg and already en...

no plasma suit? I take it you use sanctify as well?

tribal cliff Jan 2, 2026, 9:34 AM

#

plain stump no plasma suit? I take it you use sanctify as well?

no plasma and sanctify is a must. got a vid posted too, havent tried soloing now since last time sacri didnt proc with ST/SB but should be fixed now.

karmic pine Jan 2, 2026, 9:37 AM

#

SB/ST paladin can pretty much get away with using Sacrifice with only sanctify (and some resistance from holy shield) with current leech system is easy to Regen more than damage

brave surge Jan 2, 2026, 9:38 AM

#

pretty smooth spider queen even with sac and just pants holy resist +sanctify

spark vapor Jan 2, 2026, 9:48 AM

#

plain stump no plasma suit? I take it you use sanctify as well?

Im still using plasma against cosmic, but for sq its kinda hard if you not using plasma cuz of its point blank skill , but still barely survive, so better use plasma for survivability

#

For warchief you should definitely using plasma

#

Earthquake can one shot you now

royal basin Jan 2, 2026, 2:38 PM

#

Are you guys using macros for sb st spam?

spark vapor Jan 2, 2026, 2:43 PM

#

No

agile briar Jan 2, 2026, 2:50 PM

#

Its pretty easy to do manually since you have the whole duration of either attack to let go of one and start buffering the other

royal basin Jan 2, 2026, 2:55 PM

#

Gotcha so just hold down sb then st then sb again once cd is done even on SB build right?

#

Also Plasma>eduplate?

spark vapor Jan 2, 2026, 3:00 PM

#

SB->ST->ST->SB

#

It depends, if you against bosses (sq,cosmic,warchief) better use plasma for survivability but if you just farming just use enduplate

median quarry Jan 2, 2026, 7:19 PM

#

plain stump Hey Sakaiyo! First of all, congrats again on your dedication to this guide, I th...

what Luciel said, run sacrifice it's basically free, just use sanctify. holy res on legs helps a little given there isn't a much better leg card.

plasma suit was nerfed, it's 10% all res instead of 20, still quite powerful. if you're dying, use it. if not, use endurance plate for more dmg. similar to how you can use night greaves instead of endurance greaves if you have bloodfang gem and want more tankiness

I use a macro but most people don't. You are basically rocking back and forth between holding SB and ST. Hold ST to get it to cast as fast as possible, then when SB comes off cooldown hold that key until it casts once, then go back to holding ST. You can quickly press the keys instead of holding but I find holding the keys casts more reliably.
And cast taunt to keep up the dmg debuff on enemies, to stay healed use consecration off cooldown

inner ruin Jan 2, 2026, 8:24 PM

#

royal basin Are you guys using macros for sb st spam?

I do if for no other reason than getting some skills re-bound to my mouse, since the game doesn't currently offer that keybind functionality natively.

plush whale Jan 3, 2026, 12:09 AM

#

i don't know what happened but now i can't hold the SB button before the CD is up, to snap cast the skill. My leech its not working properly too. i'm killing myself to dummys. Yesterday this was impossible

orchid flare Jan 3, 2026, 2:34 PM

#

Hello im New just played yesterday. What items should i equip for ST SB. Currently using JB GC build. Wanna switch

#Paladin Shield Throw/Bash Guide (--> Guide is pinned)