The problem with the bond in party is kinda useless. First u want to put deff bond in tanker that already can tank anything or a bond that increase aspd to the dmg dealer thats max out aspd alrrady. See the dilema here?
#Summoner Incident
knotty idol
brisk moth
Are you assuming something we can't know, what if you release the necro and the build is much better than the cat?
indigo wedge
Are you assuming something we can't know, what if you release the necro and the ...
so then there is even more rage? cause you went from already really strong to even stronger? do you not see how thats a problem lol
indigo wedge
The problem with the bond in party is kinda useless. First u want to put deff bo...
block got nerfed, so actually knights cant hit block cap without bond, with bond they can hit block cap and be extremely extra tanky. so nah ill always take a bond, literally feels great as a knight player
knotty idol
block got nerfed, so actually knights cant hit block cap without bond, with bond...
Lol for what even without that max block. That class can tank without an issue. This class can tank bosses without healer too no problem.
rare seal
block got nerfed, so actually knights cant hit block cap without bond, with bond...
have u heared of little knife called parry knife?
indigo wedge
have u heared of little knife called parry knife?
Yes, its a meme, you still cant cap block with it, you are 70% with a +10 item that turns off all your skills but taunt lol guard blade does it so much smarter cause you can actually still use skills so you can weaken enemies with air cutter
knotty idol
Yes, its a meme, you still cant cap block with it, you are 70% with a +10 item t...
Soooo what is thr purpose of bond? In party play? Useless right
fiery plank
you can drop aspd for damage for exemple
or you can drop block for other tank stats?
indigo wedge
no? block is more value for every point closer to cap, going from 70% to 75% is gaining a decent chunk of survability believe it or not even if you go parry knife memes
knotty idol
you can drop aspd for damage for exemple
So u want make an extra set equipment just in case there is summoner in the party?
Im sorry this disccussion clearly bias or pure hate to the class
fiery plank
i already have multiple sets of everything just testing things, so ya i would
mossy oxide
yeah no one does that
fiery plank
? how is that hate
mossy oxide
for the classes that go aspd, they will get 193 aspd by themselves when they solo play. And you cant expect them to go reset stats and minmax when a summoner joins
plus if the summoner forgets to rebuff your dps goes to shit
fiery plank
its littearly 1 piece changed
indigo wedge
Im sorry this disccussion clearly bias or pure hate to the class
its my second main lol, Its just a shame I dont use it for anything other then soloing bosses because it feels hamstrung into that role.
I would like a world where I can build into an aoe well support build, but right now too much power is focused onto the pet and not enough into the actual spells the summoner has
fiery plank
for example on my rogue i would just switch off 1 knights glory to a piercier
indigo wedge
for the classes that go aspd, they will get 193 aspd by themselves when they sol...
Yeah I agree with this for furybond tbh, guardian bond is literally never bad tho imo
even if you are duoing with say a scout, letting them suddenly take 25% less hits is massive for their ability to survive. as well as all the %def bonuses
knotty idol
even if you are duoing with say a scout, letting them suddenly take 25% less hit...
First if there is a tank in party that activly taunting. There isss nooo wayy the agroo will changee
Praticly useless bondd too
fiery plank
what if u dont have a knight is what he is saying
indigo wedge
Yeah if you think guardian bond is useless your crazy, I will gladly take that shit on any character any day if a summoner gives it to me, its so much defense. its amazing
knotty idol
Yeah if you think guardian bond is useless your crazy, I will gladly take that s...
Im poiting out summoner in team play. Its sucks i just tell you why it sucks.
fiery plank
team play just sucks right now cause no one needs heals or buffs to do shit
indigo wedge
And dont get it wrong, summoner needs nerfs and buffs. it needs power shifted out of auto proc pet, and into its wells and aoe spells.
knotty idol
Just think like u can do bosses with 3 people why add 4th player. Spliting loot with 4 people is worsee then 3 people
indigo wedge
its not just a "nerf summoner fuck them" its a shift of power so they can contribute to teams and be a more fluid experience to play that isnt "suffer until soulbinder and pet runs over game"
knotty idol
its not just a "nerf summoner fuck them" its a shift of power so they *can* cont...
From ur prespetive clearly summoner needs majof rework than buff or nerf. And as u know its a massive work to do for developer
Its probbly not gonna happeb
fiery plank
i wouldnt call shifting power around existing abilities a "major rework"
indigo wedge
Well if all goes as planned, Necromancer is fairly early in the pipeline for advanced classes, I dont think phil can launch advanced classes if the base class is this out of whack currently.
But thats jut my opinion obviously.
knotty idol
Well if all goes as planned, Necromancer is fairly early in the pipeline for adv...
Well from the roadmap it still longway till necro shit happen
indigo wedge
from what is stated its the order of the advanced class channels, so its wizard->shinobi->paladin->necromancer, so if in a few days shinobi drops, it honestly wont be that long.
buoyant copper
Oww Paladin? Maybe ill touch Knight for the first time.
fluid scarab
solar sage
been lurking in this thread for a while, you have the most sensible take of the game right now.. let the game mature, people will realize the problem when all base jobs have 2nd classes.. I've played enough high-rate servers to tell what kind of sh* it'll do to the game 
autumn delta
This thread is funny 😅. I can literally make summoners useless tomorrow with one number.
Things will change as we go, you can stop the arguing 🙏
buoyant copper
@autumn delta Are you threating us?! 😄 (Summoner players)
solar sage
my honest take on this, there's no point balancing it now until we get all 2nd classes drop because it's easier to figure out the issue.. I'll just enjoy the game as is and only whine on mechanics that affect all jobs. (block, flee, etc.)
buoyant copper
For me the more im getting to late game with other classes the more i am thinking that summoner isnt THAT OP in term of PVE<->BOSSING togheter.
autumn delta
I'm just a little tired of the complaining about balance/the vision/"is this even an MMO"?
I can't push advanced classes/content/features/balance at the same time, im one person. Doesn't mean I don't intend to
Currently still pushing Shinobi, will do a bit of summoner tweaking next. (Outlined somewhere above)
Just give me time