#Add Status Protection to Tome of the First Hymn

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zenith rain
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Would like to request a buff to this specific item: https://spiritvale.info/equipment?search=Tome+of+the+First+Hymn

  • The caster's buffs cannot be dispelled by skills.

The reason for this buff is that bosses are fully capable of stripping buffs from players, and this completely nullifies the benefits of the Status Duration: +10s +2s per refine modifier that the item has.

This could very well be a super important piece of equipment for Full Support Acos in the future, but at the moment it's current use is overshadowed by other, much better options for Aco.

rotund forge
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specially if this game is going to have PvP in the future

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would just make Absolution useless

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also it wouldn't make for intuitive interactions with buffs like Haste and debuffs like Slow. cuz then you have both at the same time

zenith rain
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Just to check, if this extends the duration of buffs the caster is giving to other players, wouldn't this allow Absolution to be on longer for the user, and thus able to absorb a spell for much longer? I would think that would buff Absolution.

I'm sorry that I got Arcanum Ward and Absolution mixed up.

Note that this type of interaction would come with a great sacrifice to the user in terms of Aco weapons. All our other weapons provide much better results to our abilities, and at the moment the status duration buff does not make it worth it, especially as boss battles are where our buffs are the most important. If an Aco is making this choice, they would be at a much greater offensive advantage than other Aco's.

If anything, it would take short-lived buffs, and make them incredibly OP. I forgot about Arcanum Ward, and having a possible 30s buff to the upkeep of Arcanum Ward without the ability to dispell it would make Aco completely invincible, considering it would go way past it's cooldown. Also with Sacred Aegis as well.

I would say that we would need to take out Arcanum Ward and Sacred Aegis, and only keep the other buffs for balance as they are not as powerful mechanically. Would that still be a problem?

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Otherwise, the item would need to be reworked to be more useful, as even in PVP there would be no reason to extend the duration of your Benediction, Divine Grace, and Mass Haste if it's just going to be dispelled anyway.

patent owl
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YES, move Absolution to Summoners :>

zenith rain
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Make your own Suggestion hahaha. It's OURS lol.

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We will give it to you if you ask nicely.

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Sorry, I made a mistake in my understanding. I'm going to correct my response. I mixed up Arcanum Ward and Absolution. Fail on my part

rotund forge
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extending the duration of buffs is more of a QoL and it's not usually a powerful effect, it's mainly so you don't have to keep rebuffing for the shorter buffs

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and then when it's OP with things like Arcanum Ward or if there's a buff that's supposed to not have constant uptime and it can be up permanently with the item then it's OP

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I think extending buffs is not good design also

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maybe just rework the item from scratch, the idea doesnt look that promising

zenith rain
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I will say that I don't agree with the idea that extending buff is a bad design, especially at the cost of a weapon slot (this is a seriously big debuff) but I do agree with you that unless it's reworked in some way this item won't be used, even by Full Support.

rotund forge
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I think just buffing and then rebuffing is something that needs a little bit of spice, and getting our buffs dispelled is spice. It forces us to interact by forcing us to keep an eye on dispels and reapplying buffs as needed.

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the base for an MMORPG is that there's a rotation of skills you wanna use

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and then there's a context that alters the rotation

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and you adapt, and that fun

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getting dispelled is fun

zenith rain
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That we do not agree on hahaha.

In PvP, dispelling is super important, but you don't just dispell for no reason: you're usually aiming for a specific buff or target.

In PvE, it's used as a mechanic in specific circumstances to force a change in rotation, not to force you to add your buffs to your duration. i.e. Wow

At the moment, there's no PvP, and the dispel of bosses is absolutely NOT fun at the moment with the UI

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So no, trying to maintain four buffs as a battle mechanic, ❌

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I would rather focus on the positioning of healing, than that.

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But that would be a bit beyond the request though haha. Sorry for the tangent. I do agree the weapon needs to be reworked.

rotund forge
# zenith rain I will say that I don't agree with the idea that extending buff is a bad design,...

also to clarify, when I say that the idea of extending a buff is bad design, what I mean by that is that in the majority of cases there's no drawback that you can apply or no buff that would make it nice to have in the game. cuz the idea itself isn't very healthy for the balance of the game.

I don't mean that it isn't possible to balance or that it is weak/strong. I just mean that it doesn't bring more fun to the game.

rotund forge
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currently it doesn't have PvP. but adding designs that limit the possibility of having PvP for the future isn't good for the game

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and the UI problem is a UI problem, I agree that targeting isn't great rn and I've made a suggestion about it. but I don't think we should strongly consider that... cuz if it's not dealt with long term it'll hurt the game a lot one way or another.

rotund forge