Pre Season 2 - Spider Mount update?

[whole edge]

Recent comments on dev stream make it sound like there may or may not be an update to spider mount. I genuinely want this game to be successful and felt the need to give feedback here. If we’re going to move forward with a seasonal game (regardless of us being in EA), there NEEDS to be something for players to earn/achieve each season and the pinnacle in PS1 was the spider mount.

If we hope to get players back with the reset and the ability to play two new heroes alone but there’s no additional reason to keep playing I fear player base will fall quickly. We saw people drop off after spider anyways, and that’s an issue. But if spider wasn’t there… we would’ve lost them even sooner.

P.S. please don’t start bombing this saying that since we’re in EA they don’t need to give us rewards/reasons to keep playing their game cause that’s just patently dumb.

There needs to be a unique reward tied to achieving the top whatever achievement after each reset. End of discussion.

[fringe moon]

Since this isn't a new season but a pre-season, it isn't representative of what will be happening in real seasons.

[whole edge]

Kind of the exact point I made at the end of my post.

“Keep playing our game in spite of rewards/reasons to do so.”

How’s that been working for them so far?

[fringe moon]

Your post is also the exact point at least 10 people already made multiple times, some of them even already had answers from Hamish.

So thanks for your feedback I guess. I also think we kinda all agree with you, who wouldn't want a new reward ?

But really, what's the point ?

[whole edge]

Go ahead and search for similar posts with the name “spider” and report back. As a logical person I did the same under the feedback section and there was no discussion in the topic.

The point is if they can give us 3 mounts for the winter event they can recolor the spider mount.

I see you and others in #💬fellowship-discussion all day every day. Some of us can’t do that and search the feedback section for topics pertaining to ours before posting, which I did. Thanks for you contribution to this thread lol

[kind burrow]

OP is right though, EA or not, they need to keep people interested....a clean reset with just 2 heros (most people play DPS, so wont even be interested in a new tank or healer)

[fringe moon]

Your both right, they need to keep people interested and they could provide a recolor.

First, I don't care at all about a recolor. The mount is hideous to being with imo. I will play next season because the game is fun, not to have a mount reward.

So there's no certitude that just a recolor will be considered enough.

Second, Hamish clearly stated that they will change the 10k reward **if they have the time **. And I agree with CR priorities on this, there are more important thing to do than changing the 10k reward.

Both my points doesn't mean your feedback is wrong. But you very well know that others have already given the same feedback, and I am sure you also know Hamish responded to it.

So I'll ask again, what's the point of your feedback ?

CR position is clear on the topic.

[whole edge]

Where has that feedback been given in a structured place for people to discuss?

The general discussion thread? On a live stream?

[fringe moon]

What is there to discuss?

You know that CR will do it if they have time, is there something else to add ?

[whole edge]

Per my post we are discussing our concerns around a progress reset / seasonal game without rewards lol

That’s great that you heard “if we have time” and said OK great to yourself. I don’t think two new heroes and a progress reset alone is enough to save fellowship.. and it does need saving.

Games die in EA all the time. People really need to stop making that point like it’s a trump card.

[fringe moon]

And all I am saying is that CR is already aware.

[whole edge]

That’s great that you feel qualified to determine what is and isn’t a worthy feedback post. Clearly you don’t think the 10k reward is a big deal. I completely disagree and think it should be prioritized.

[honest wind]

I had a brief exchange with Hamish about more rewards after 10k etc. Apparently, the metrics are already good there, so it's not a priority. #💬fellowship-discussion message

Spider replacement is also phrased under "if we have time." Also not a priority.......

I've an issue with their phrasing, not that if they commit to a replacement or decide to stay with the spider.

New mount would be better for their metrics.

[hot cape]

That makes no sense, that'd be saying playing the game and liking it penalizes you.

[kind burrow]

Playtime might be "good" after 10k. But player retention is abysmal still.

[fringe moon]

Player retention is on par with every other seasonal games if we are honest.

The absolute number is very low because it's a niche game .

[whole edge]

Show me another seasonal game that’s “successful” with less than 500 concurrent players at a time.

I love fellowship but there’s this blind folly that some of you have that insist it’s doing well when it’s not.

You don’t get to be a great game by just rejecting what’s going wrong and saying “this is normal everyone else is wrong”.

How about we be introspective instead on how it’s falling behind and identify where we’re going to do better? And stop saying “it’s EA” / “it’s seasonal” like that’s some kind of magic patch that fixes every single piece of criticism.

[honest wind]

additional rewards at the top end is such a cheap way to boost engagement. I don't know why they don't do it.

Some times people play alts too, and that helps other queue brackets rather than just eternal.

[finite bolt]

haha it's so remarkably lower than any other seasonal content game. what a ridiculous comment. this game is effectively dead and has been for months

[fringe moon]

how is it lower ?

I am not talking absolute numbers, but player retention (the percentage of people that stopped compared to peak).

PoE2 has lost way more people relatively to peak for example

[finite bolt]

less than 1000 people globally play this game at any point in time. an arbitrary percentage for a game taht was hyped up as the best game of all time and then ended up being a regular PoE is irrelevan.t youre on some serious copium

[fringe moon]

I said myself that the absolute numbers is really low and that it is a problem....

But given the player peak at EA release, the numbers are on par with other seasonal games.

Both statements can be true 😉

[whole edge]

This isn’t a niche game. There’s a huge tranche of people who play games with this same content, just cause they don’t have leveling and open world content doesn’t make it niche.

Trying to draw a parallel that it lost the same percentage of players as other games isn’t fair either. Games need a certain number of players to survive and sub 1k globally ain’t it, regardless of numbers at peak.

It also bled players like crazy in the first week almost instantaneously, which they’re trying to fix but the whole point is trying to defend the current state of the game by comparing it to Diablo / PoE etc is wild when those have decades of staying power and infinitely more players at any given time.

Fanboy it all you want but if we follow the money and ask the investors at the top “hey are you ok with 600 players at a time? After all it’s a niche, seasonal game and as a percentage of total players lost it’s similar to these other triple A titles?” They would laugh at you and say “absolutely not.”

[fringe moon]

Ok 👍

[whole edge]

I have a large group of friends who almost exclusively play games just like this and despite me having bought 5 COPIES OF FELLOWSHIP NOW FOR OTHER PEOPLE, still struggle to get them to even play it.

So until some of you drop $125 trying to get others involved let’s stop the fanboying and be real here. There’s fixing that needs to happen.

[fringe moon]

That's 157$ right there... can I talk now ?

[sinful smelt]

no

[fringe moon]

[whole edge]

I have respect for that. If we’re talking personal copy plus cosmetic pack I’m at $170, but nah. I don’t really want to hear anyone who’s saying this game is fine at its current numbers cause they’re literally not helping. I’m not trying to see this game turn into AoC cause there’s a bunch of people who don’t want to be honest with themselves lol

[fringe moon]

I never said that 😉

The game is definitely not fine right now

[whole edge]

Saying as a percentage it’s in line with other seasonal games is saying that.

[fringe moon]

but the issue is not the number we are at right now

the issue is the peak number

the issue is the lack of communication

[whole edge]

Its hype at launch is a bullish indicator of the demographic, its immediate loss of player base is shocking and its long term sub 1k player base is depressing AF.

[fringe moon]

the issue is that nothing is planned marketing wise for the 19 Feb (confirmed by Hamish yesterday)

[fringe moon]

There was no "immediate loss of players" the loss of player is 100% explainable and normal and on par with any other seasonal game

The real issue is the the highest peak was way too low

and that nothing was done since then to inflate the number of player to have a higher peak for the reset

the winter event should have brought back people, but it didn't

[whole edge]

50% drop of players within 1 month lol

[fringe moon]

PoE 2 lose more than that after each new season

[whole edge]

87% drop within two months

[fringe moon]

it's perfectly normal

[whole edge]

My man.

There’s 350k peak

For a decade long game

[fringe moon]

PoE2 is not a decade long game tho

[whole edge]

Path is

[fringe moon]

and yes, peak numbers for Fellowship are the real issues

[whole edge]

CR might say outwardly they OK with what’s happening to keep face but there is no shot internal discussions with the money is ok with current sales or player count

I haven’t wanted a game to succeed this much… ever. And just watching AoC implode and seeing people chant “this is fine” with fire surrounding fellowship makes me legit sad.

[fringe moon]

and what is also really concerning is the fact that there was no discernable uptick for the winter event

[whole edge]

The skins were pretty meh and the best mount was basically free

I really like the mini bosses and thought that was great.

But their boom at launch was hype and $20 barrier to entry

Players not coming back for events is cause people who didn’t get far enough weren’t impressed

I have so many friends who should love this game but they just won’t give it the time and now with player count I can’t sell it

[honest wind]

I didn't like the winter event because it was just more grind. There was nothing that required more skill than spider. So I decided not to even play.

[fringe moon]

Hey bunny, since you're talking about skills, you never answered me, do you know the tech for the water elementals ?

[hot cape]

PoE2, as you have given as an exemple, is an ARPG. MMOs are also seasonal game in this day and age. I would argue Fellowship's gameplay has more similarities with the later than the former, and in those sort of seasonal game, the drop off through a season is much less significant. A key thing about both is their group centric focus, which requires higher retention to thrive.

[fringe moon]

are they really less significant tho ?

Maybe a bit I guess 🙂

[hot cape]

A) that's m+ only
B) still less

[whole edge]

lol

[gentle prawn]

As a player that attempted to return during the winter event... I have never seen such an anti casual/returning player holiday event (and it clearly wasn't for the more hardcore either since they complained about it too). Devs decided to double down on the terrible event and I just lost faith in the devs after that. Haven't played since and don't think the game is even installed anymore.

Yes, I still occasionally lurk in here because damn... what an airball.

[idle basalt]

The thing is that even if you were to compare it to other games with seasons and accept the premise that the pattern is the same without further scrutiny, the key difference is that this game is effectively unplayable for the majority of people when the playerbase is low