Queue system is killing the game FIX ASAP PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[stable smelt]

Queue system has made the game unplayable above 40, please fix, the lfg is basically dead because of the queue system and its impossible to find a group that doesnt instantly disband because we dont have a mutual dungeon we can agree on

Before the queue system it would take me 30 minutes or so to find a group on either my tank(42) or healer(45). Right now it is taking significantly longer because of dodges, this is also me swapping in between EU and NA because the people who dodge instantly requeue and you get them again over and over for 10 minutes until I either swap servers or just take a 20 minute break

At this point just remove the queue system so I can play the game again, if I take a 2 week break to wait for fixes im likely not going to come back to the game despite how great the game is and im sure the feeling is mutual for others. This current system is just a game killer

Please for the love of god just make it so it gives people a list of 4 dungeons that would give the party the maximal amount of rating, for example, I queue with a party that is at 48, 44, 42, and 41.

Give us 4 dungeons which every person in the party needs, and all at different ranks, for example it would give us storm watch 41, quarry 40, cithrels 37, and tuzari 38 because these would be the optimal dungeons to do for rating for the party or something like this, obviously this system would be hard to implement but I could give 100 more examples of better ways to do it than "self organization" which doesnt work it just doesnt work im so sorry to say but everybody is racing to the top and or doesnt want to do something that is not going to give any rewards at all.

[vestal rock]

have you considered not using the queue system and going back to looking for groups the way you used to?

[stable smelt]

You cant anymore, the LFG is effectively halved if not less in terms of players looking in there

the lfg died when queues came out

[vestal rock]

if its such an issue at 40+ then surely you can find a group in #1436360457538506863 ?

[stable smelt]

obviously there are still people looking but its so much lower

what im saying is that the lfg playerbase is much lower than before

[vestal rock]

it sounds like the queue system worked then?

[stable smelt]

No people are just sitting in this garbage system or not playing anymore

[tulip crow]

yeah, so either those people are using the queue, so you should find them, or they left the game and the queues aren't the issue

[dull valve]

Nono, you don't understand. It works so well that he'd rather not play than picking the faster alternative.

We all knew these rants would pop up the second they introduced eternal queues, and when/if they introduce specific dungeon queues we'll see rants about "muh no one wants to play the dungeon I NEED", not to mention leavers will still leave specific if the group isn't to their standard.

[stable smelt]

Obviously the developers are trying there hardest but I cant see anything more worth their time than to fix the eternal queues, and im just hoping it gets changed/hotfixed in the coming days

[vestal rock]

changed to what

im reading your post but tbh im not sure i understand

[dull valve]

New feature box that says "I want to be carried"

[stable smelt]

brother looking at your discord posts in this channel you have never even looked for ag roup

[vestal rock]

if you want to do something optimally dont queue for it

[stable smelt]

have you experienced looking at 40+?

[vestal rock]

find a group so that you can do exactly the dungeons you want

thats optimal

[stable smelt]

No bro its not about optimal for me

[dull valve]

I have friends that I play with, don't need to look for randoms.

[tulip crow]

I am sorry to say, but people looking for Eternal 45+ are a really small minority.

The game has way more pressing issues than catering to your needs...

[stable smelt]

so then try queuing 40+ and tell me how it goes

I mean I understand its a niche but the competitive level keeps the game alive in every game

And its not about being optimal in my rating climb

its about finding 4 people willing to do the same dungeon

with the affixes in place people are only willing to do 1/2 from the 40-42 range because of the affixes and nobody above 42 is willing to do them

[tulip crow]

newcomers are leaving and asking for refunds because QP is a s**tshow... you don't need to cater to tryharder who will stay not matter how loud they complain...

You aren't paying a subscription anyhow, what this game needs is a influx of new players 😛

[stable smelt]

So its legit just endless queuing, and you cant even requeue because you'll get the same people over and over

[dull valve]

Why queue with randoms in eternal when I can just dm my buddies and we get a group together?

I've also accumulated people that added me on friends when I did queue with randoms throughout contender->paragon

[stable smelt]

Ok I understand having 4 people to consistently play with is amazing, and a luxury, but as someone who is solo queuing this game the system is unplayable

idk even how you can have an opinion if you dont use the system im sorry

[tulip crow]

If you get the same people, it means that there aren't a lot of people in the queues ... meaning that if you add more tiers, you won't match with anyone 🙂

[stable smelt]

Its not even tryhard at this point to be at 40 and you legit need the dedicated players to keep the game alive, this goes for every single game that has a rating system, nobody would care to climb in any game if there wasnt a dedicated group of skilled players to aspire to compete agaisnt

[stable smelt]

Im not asking for more tiers

im asking for a new way of collecting players together

It shouldnt be possible to get 4 players queued together that literally do not have a completeable dungeon together that is worth rating for everyone

and there is no incentive to play if you dont get any rating

[tulip crow]

actually, you need people that will use the cosmetic shop and people that will buy the game... since Fellowship has no subscription, you don't need tryhards at all for the game to be alive

[stable smelt]

You need tryhards im sorry this is not true

[vestal rock]

its rating for at least one person in the group

[stable smelt]

yes sure and if the 4 people are all friends its great to get your buddy rating even if it costs you 20-30 minutes of your time, but nobody is queuing soloq to get another person rating that isnt a thing

they would just rather not play

[tulip crow]

what do you bring to the game ?

Do you plan on buying cosmetics ?

Are you helping other people get to your level by tagging in lower tiers ?

If you are just here complaining that you can't play how you want to play, I am sorry to tell, but you bring nothing to the table 🤷‍♂️

[vestal rock]

i know that my guy but thats the trade off with a convenient system like a queue

otherwise make your own group

most people prefer having this tradeoff

do you expect to get any higher by queueing?

[stable smelt]

Insanely tangential, I am only arguing to be able to continue to play the game at all lmao

[tulip crow]

play with the guys, make friends, ask them to do a dungeon for you after you helped them with theirs... that's being a good humain being 🙂

[stable smelt]

This is infinitely harder after the system

[stable smelt]

there is no positive trade off in the current system

[tulip crow]

you can play the game, you can tag in lower tiers helping people get to 40+, you can accept to do a dungeon that brings you no rating, you can play another hero

[vestal rock]

the positive tradeoff is i dont have to spam some discord channel every minute

and obviously its not harder, more people are playing the game at eternal now than before the queue

[dull valve]

Because I approach the game in a social manner, I don't just join and gtfo all the time. If I end up with people I enjoy playing with, who are also vocal and enjoyed playing with me, we usually play more than one dungeon and end up on eachothers friendlist. Maybe, and I'm not trying to be patronizing here, have you tried doing these "lower" tiers with the people you end up with and see if you find people you can continue playing with?

[stable smelt]

This is not at all what im saying lmao I have queued with lower people to help them out, but this is completely unrelated to what im saying

[tulip crow]

I spent the whole evening doing difficulties I do not need to progress... Ok I gain a few rating points by increasing 1 dungeon level, but I didn't progress a tier. It was a fun evening; i talked to people... you can do the same 🙂

[stable smelt]

I have played 3 heros so far to 40

[tulip crow]

" I am only arguing to be able to continue to play the game at all lmao" ... this is exactly what you are saying, you are implying that you cannot play the game anymore

[stable smelt]

Yes, but players do not play for more than a few dungeons at a time, and I do have people I enjoy playing with but they are not on all the time, and the entire point of the system is to be able to log on and jump into a game, im not opposed to finding people to play with but the lfg is diminished and the queue system doesnt work

[stable smelt]

Sure but im not only playing the game for the social aspect and I enjoy the difficulty increase and the challenge, so I should just sit in the 1-10 range and chill out and have fun is your solution?

[stable smelt]

I cannot play the game to progress yes, which is what I and others enjoy

[tulip crow]

no, find people on discord, ask people you already played with to push with you... you have a handful of options, you just don't want to use them

and you are contradicting yourself... if everyone left discord to use the queue, you wouldn't always be matched with the same people

[stable smelt]

Ok amazing, im talking about the queue system not working to do this for me which is why it was created

[stable smelt]

dude just queue the system and you will see

You get the same people over and over and have to take a break for 5-10 minutes until they stop queuing or find a group

or swap servers

[tulip crow]

You are the one that said that you were always matched with the same people... meaning that there aren't a lot of people in the queues, meaning that the people that left discord aren't in the queuese

[stable smelt]

So they quit because of the system or like what are you saying

[tulip crow]

I am not really saying anything except that your complaint doesn't make a lot of sense

[stable smelt]

So you are not sayign anything got it

the system is broken and ive laid out reasons why

if you arent saying anything then ok got it

not sure what to say

1. The queues have to be based on rating instead of tier
2. Your party should be given a list of dungeons sorted to show which dungeons will give your party the most amount of rating
3. You shouldnt be able to queue into the same players if they dodge the group for a minimum amount of time (5-10 minutes)

This is what im advocating for at the minimum

[tulip crow]

the system isn't broken, the system doesn't work for you.

However, I don't think you really understand why it doesn't work for you.

Also, I upvoted any thread that asked for new tiers up until 20 so everyone can have their own little bucket.

But you know what will happen when they do that ? Your queue will be really long, and you will complain about that

1. No, that's the worst idea, because of the way the rating works, this wouldn't work at all
2. This won't really work either, because the dungeon that gives the more rating to the team as a whole might give you no rating at all, thus not really solving the leaver issue, also this is more or less what is already happening, the system proposes the highest dungeon possible
3. If you are matched with the same player, it means that there aren't anyone else in the queue, so the only thing that your idea will do is increase queue time for everyone without any reasons.

You have a social issue... no technical solution will solve that.

Speak with the people you are matched with

[stable smelt]

1. Why would 1. not work at all? should a new difficulty not be able to be unlocked by rating rather than highest complete?
2. You shouldnt be able to be paired with people that dont have a mutual dungeon to complete or what is even the point of pairing you together?
3. If people dont want to play together they shouldnt have to wait until the other person stops queuing to find others

I do talk to everybody that I queue with but unless you've experienced it you maybe wouldnt get it idk? It is just queue find people they dont say anything and then instantly leave before you can even type, how is this a social issue? but nice person attack I guess?

I do.

I am not trying to argue with anybody here im just trying to advocate for the game that has trapped me for 4-8 hours a day since its release that I love playing and I am not sure how else to voice my concerns over the system, I really dont want to have to take a break from the game but its simply much harder to be able to play at the moment

Thanks to the people here for discussing with me!

[tulip crow]

1. would not work because ratings and dungeon difficulty are all over the place. What is the "correct" rating to unlock a difficulty ? My own rating is pretty low because I raised "quickly" through the ranks, should I be force to time every dungeon at a difficulty to be able to progress further ?

Forcing a rating will slow good players by a lot.

2. the population queuing in the higher tiers is already really low, if you only pair with people that all benefit from the same dungeons, you will increase queue time even more. Also, you might not want to do the dungeon increasing your rating the most. It's a delicate balance between queue time and matching you with people having the same "interests".

I think the real idea is to help eahc other out "I do one for you, then we do one for me"

3. I kinda agree with you, there's no point in always matching the same people together if they just left, but if it happens, it means that there aren't really other people on the queue... what's the solution ? increasing queue time artificially ?

What I meant by social issue is not that you had social issues yourself, but rather that there is no "technical solution" to this problem. People need to communicate together and help each other out. You cannot be selfish.

As an example, read https://discord.com/channels/1254866410258038845/1446420003841769584 the guy has around 50 people that want to do the same difficulty as him... a queue will never work for him. And you are pretty near that level also.

You either need to make friends that are on the same level as you, or help people that are lower to get to your level, that's what I meant by "social issue"... a queue is only as good as the number of people that are in it.

[stable smelt]

I dont quite get why when climbing through adept-paragon you get a choice between levels of dungeon but once you get to eternal you need to unlock the next tier, why cant it be that once you get to a new bracket, lets say 20-25, you can do any of the difficulties until you've hit a certain rating and then you can progress to the next tier. Idk im not the one making the system of course but the current one is unusable and im sure CR will make a system that is great eventually.

Seems that the only solution at the moment is to quit until the system is changed which is likely what ill be doing. If there are no players to play with as the post suggests ill just have to wait until next wipe.

[tulip crow]

That's a valid point, but it's only partially related to the queue... this was already causing issues before the queues were introduced

[queen jungle]

If you’re getting reque’d with the same queue dodgers over and over, one thing I’ve done is just run a quick QP (something you need to do anyway) and by the time I’m done I can queue eternal and have a different group since the first queue dodgers have found something else out (I agree with there being issues with the system, this is just something I’ve found that works for me in the current version of the game)

[stable smelt]

Yea another thing you can try is swapping between NA and EU to find new players, or just waiting 5-10 minutes in between queues like you've said and do a quickplay or something

[trail mauve]

Like i had said when this was announced. Doesnt matter if people want it, once they get it they will find a problem with it.

Was never going to be perfect, and it likely will never be perfect for everyone

At some point you have to actually make the decision to find a group of friends to play with, or like TK said, help others get to the same level you are and run with them

[fleet pond]

+1, unplayable on higher eternal, when I queue for 40+ the max that we can play is almost never something that will give me score so I just leave. This tier stuff in general is stupid, I dont want to queue into a random dungeon in E40-44, I want to queue into one that will give me score

[tulip crow]

It's really funny how when people were asking for queues the ones that were trying to say that queue wouldn't really fix some issues where ridiculed, and now the exact same thing we said will cause issues is happening

I predict that the next complain will be : "the queues are too long please fix or the game will die"

[dull valve]

#1436360457538506863

If there's anything wrong with the queue system, it's people with your attitude. Look for a premade in discord to boost your rating and stop plaguing the game for the rest.

[fleet pond]

What attitude? There is nothing in this game currently above 10k except rating. Fairly normal to play only for that.

I assume you don't value your time and are okay with playing for nothing?

[dull valve]

"MY NEEDS>everyone elses! pLeAsE fIx!"

I play the game because I find it fun to play, I do dungeons that doesn't give me rating to help out others and build connections, not to mention that low chance to get an essence bonus dropped.
If your only drive in this game is personal gain (in rating), head over to #1436360457538506863 and find someone to boost you every step on the way, because something tells me you'd find a premade and leave when they want to do a dungeon someone else needs, but not you.

[tulip crow]

I think he was referring to the "I leave" part...

[fleet pond]

System should work in a way that will group players with the same goal. I dont want to be carried or boosted, but I dont want to carry or boost either. I want to be matched with equal people that need the same as I do

[fleet pond]

What am I supposed to do then? I dont want to WASTE time doing stuff that gives me nothing.

[dull valve]

You can't have "the same goal" when your stated goal is to improve YOUR rating and not others. Get real

[fleet pond]

Are you retar ded?

[tulip crow]

Use discord 🤷‍♂️

[dull valve]

Are you?

[fleet pond]

If I am at E46 and I get matched with people also needing E46 then their goal is the same as mine

[dull valve]

Not if they need a dungeon you don't, because then you'll leave the group as you said.

[tulip crow]

Someone else made a thread stating that there are around 50 people worldwide at the 50+ level...

How can you imagine a queue working with such a limited population?

[fleet pond]

Yeah and I expect vice versa. Well designed system will match people for a dungeon that everyone needs

[tulip crow]

I am pretty sure that the number of people that need exactly the same dungeons as you to gain score can be counted on one hand

You need to accept to help others so they will help you in return, hopefully

[fleet pond]

so we should agree to a half assed system just because the current population is low?

[dull valve]

#1436360457538506863

[tulip crow]

You misunderstand, the system is not half assed, it cannot work, except if you're ready to wait multiple hours in queue

The system cannot conjure people from thin air to play with you

[dull valve]

And it doesn't even take care of leavers, because people like Kulemak will move on to the next issue at hand and still leave the group

[fleet pond]

if i wanted to LFG i'd just launch wow, I want a competitive environment within just the queue system

[dull valve]

If you want a competetive enviroment, you better adapt and find likeminded people, head over to #1436360457538506863 and find yours.

"Hi, I need x dungeon and will leave any group that does not want to do the dungeon I need. Pls invite"

[tulip crow]

And if CR add a tier 10, you will complain that it takes forever to get a group ?

Or are you ready to wait 1h to get matched with someone?

[fleet pond]

i dont mind, can wait tabbed as long as i dont have to requeue or do anything

anything just to not LFG or manually requeue all the time because system match people with different goals

[dull valve]

You have to requeue because, as you said, YOU leave the groups. Tried not to?

[tulip crow]

There's a thread asking for more tiers, go up vote it then

[dull valve]

Or maybe, and this is a longshot because your selfish needs cannot be compromised in any way, you get a couple of levels lower and you communicate well with the group and you push up to the level you're at, and continue from there?

[fleet pond]

No thanks, id rather do something else with my time than boosting people couple of dungs so they can finally play on my eternal level xd

[dull valve]

Well, I'm happy your time is wasteed. Hopefully it'll become a permanent thing and the game get rids of people like you.

[tulip crow]

"I'd rather be selfish and complain than trying to fix the situation and helping someone"

[pseudo arch]

for alot of people the season is over, and others are testing and giving feedback on the queue system. all contribute to the fact that lfg channels are less used now.

[fleet pond]

People who just want to hit 10k and leave should have nothing to say, 10k is nothing. I could get 10k without using hands its literally nothing. Game should be balanced around hardcore players as its this kind ofplayers that actually care and are invested to the game

People who wanna hit 10k and go somewhere else have other games catered to them, eg Tetris, Tit tac toe etc

[pseudo arch]

whos talking about 10k ? touch grass

[vestal rock]

10k and up is around 4% of characters, youre not sustaining a healthy playerbase with 4%

[fleet pond]

easily 80% of the posts about season being over or peoples goal is hit is about 10k so i safely assumed 10k is a goal in general community perception, but to me 10k is nothing i wouldnt even consider it casual

[dull valve]

You're such a minmaxer mate...except when it come to putting an effort into finding a dedicated group to push with apparently.

[mossy dagger]

What if there’s no one that needs e46 in existence and the only thing is to either wait for people to make it to e46 or to play with players in e42 until they make it to e46.

But what if those players in e42 can’t find a partner to play with because there’s no one in e42 so they quit. Then there’s no one that will play e46 either.
What if you just sit in a e46 queue for 45 mins while the e42 guys find an e50 player and that e50 player helps them make it to e48 then you’re still stuck at e46 and that team doesn’t want to play with you anymore.

The best thing you can do is play a game with players that are in a lower tier and hope to develop friendships with them and start pushing together.

Selfishness will be what kills the game.

[fleet pond]

If there is NO ONE in the queue that needs E46 then its absolutely fine to never be queued. Regression to the bottom is never ok.

Your last sentence is a DELULU's dream envisioned. This is a competitive ladder's gamer. I will NOT invest a minute into someone's other keys if it does not benefit me. People I queue with compete with me on the ladder, so from my point of view they are competition. There is 0 incentive to help them

This is competitive game with a ladder, every rational actor in this game that wants to reach to top will think exact same way as I just did in this thread. This is the very least the very least people will behave, unhinged people will go even further

[mossy dagger]

The name of the game is “Fellowship” so if you are a selfishness-centered, selfish and egocentric and have no “Fellowship” then maybe the game isn’t for you.

[dull valve]

Hard to have a "fellowship" when your entire persona is the most egotistical one in the game.

[tulip crow]

Do you really think that you will be able to "compete" using queues and pugging ?

It's perfectly ok to want to raise your score, but let's be honest, if you want to have any chance to be at the top of the ladder you will need to find a premade.

Your whole answer is just an ego trip exposing your selfishness... you aren't competing with anyone with this attitude

[tranquil forge]

From a solo queue standpoint, if the goal is to get to the 0.1%, isnt it perfectly normal to think that you dont want to help anyone because it would make it harder for yourself?

Also, the queue feels empty... because it is. There is like 3k people playing the game guys.

[mossy dagger]

From a solo queue standpoint, if the goal is to get to the 0.1%, isn’t it perfectly normal to expect you need to build a team that can achieve that and you’ll never reach it doing rng matchmaking because it would make it harder for yourself?
Also, the queue feels empty because it is since any normal person builds relationships with other players to push with instead of try to proc a small rng chance you succeed with randoms the first time ever playing together.

[tranquil forge]

Yeah that is just not how the real word is buddy

[mossy dagger]

Tell that to the devs that want this to happen as well

[shut dew]

As someone who wants to progress.
The queue is useless at literally any level.

My main is at 50+ (nobody uses the queue bc it's unusable above 40)

My Sylvie is currently at 19.
I want to progress that means I NEED +19 or +18 capstone.
But the queue takes already 15-40 minutes to even activate. Then I'm either stuck in a group who can do 16 Max or a tank who will instantly leave for no reason whatsoever starting the process again.

The game does not have the player base for an automatic queue to work in a decent way.
Especially if you have the option to queue into stuff that you absolutely don't care about.

If you don't even set the new checkboxes which are clunky as hell to use then you can even end up in a +2 Max group.

I want my time to be valued. The queue systems ultimate goal is "speeding things up" but as it currently is due to tank shortage/heal overflow, big queue brackets that makes everyone unhappy, a very very VERY thinly spread tiny player base across 80 levels + forced Quickplay + challenge makes it impossible to achieve that goal in the first place.

And yes, on my +24 progression Meiko I get only 2-5 minute wait queues just to leave it again bc it throws me into a group at +20 max which I don't need.

[mossy dagger]

The root of the problem is your reliance on the queue system and your inability to make friends and continue pushing with them

And also the refusal of playing lower tier eternal to even attempt to make friends to continue pushing up with

The hardest part of the game is meeting people who want to achieve the same thing as you then continuing to play with them.

[gaunt badge]

Yo, please reflect… My first recommendation is your profile picture, you cant be normal