Undo button at scrapping station

[serene hemlock]

Title, for any reason, you have an option to undo last thing you did. Don’t think it will affect anyone

And yes, I scraped two pieces with essence gems in them and feel like a total idiot : D

[grim grove]

we all have scrapped incorrect items thinking we were upgrading so I back this topic with some system that allows you to recover the gear piece... maybe all it takes is moving the scrapper to a completely different place in the Stronghold and not next to the upgrade guy.

[green mortar]

I can understand the accidental reroll on items. There is a list of options. I really don't understand how you accidentally use a different workstation with a different UI... making the move between scrapping and upgrading more inconvenient isn't going to fix simple user error.

[grim grove]

it's a quick process where you may have a piece you need to upgrade but also have pieces to scrap to get the materials while trying to do it quick so you can go to the next dungeon and even with a different color UI, the processing is very similar and having them next to each other can create that user error

ive upgraded pieces i meant to scrap and scrapped 1-2 pieces I meant to upgrade (nothing big luckily) but I know of people that have scrapped an almost fully BiS upgraded weapon with upgraded weapon tree abilities

[plucky adder]

That would be inconvenient because you usually scrap items and then immediately use the gold and materials to upgrade something.

My opinion is that holding the button (and ctrl + clicking items in for both interfaces) is the main culprit.

Give a different way to interact to scrapping and upgrading, and people will be much less likely to mix them up.

[grim grove]

100% .... my point is that they should implement something that is more definitive as how both interactions are made (whether a different location, or a different way to press the buttons) cause the current color difference I feel is not enough when people are rushing to scrap/upgrade stuff

[serene hemlock]

It’s a user error, and ofc I would never ask for my items back, but an undo button won’t hurt anyone, I think it’s just a simple QoL

[daring gazelle]

why not? and how about at least a confirmation box before reforging or scrapping something with essence bonus on it?

[serene hemlock]

I don’t expect devs to fix my mistakes, but I just thought that an undo button it’s an easy way to give 2 chances to people

[foggy thorn]

that and/or the possibility to add the option for legendaries/weapons/favourite items/35%; it's indeed not the "must do now" kinda thing, but it would solve issues

[slender bronze]

I can get behind this. However, it should be massively limited. These types of systems often allow for dupes and other glitches.

Make it like 1x/week or something very slow and minimal. I don't want it abused.

[serene hemlock]

Yeah we don’t want people abusing it, pretty confident devs can find a good solution for us

[plucky adder]

just... fix the bugs that allow dupes?

"people could use bugs to cheat" is the worst argument I've read against QoL so far

[slender bronze]

alright, fine.

Im against it. I think that if you want to scrap its got a BIG RED BUTTON and it has a cast timer on it. If you're that much of an idiot, you deserve to have your items deleted. Cant handle the grind? find a new game.

seriously, it was specifically about abuse on restoratin of items. not about bugs in general, but about this specific mechanic leading to bugs seen in other games that were clearly abused. a word of caution is never a bad thing. but sure, spin it that way. see how many people you get on your side with that attitude.

[winged sparrow]

the fact that you cannot click an item into the scrapper, you have to drag it, on top of having to HOLD the button to actually scrap it, should be enough to stop it

i will admit tho it being right next to the upgrade guy can totally fool someone whos on auto pilot grinding lol

[plucky adder]

There's a difference between offering a word of caution to remind them of the importance of potential for duplicates (although I'd assume they're aware in general, if perhaps not the specifics but you didn't mention those either because we have no knowledge of how exactly it's coded or would be coded if it was implemented), and asking for QoL to be restricted out of paranoia over duplicate bugs. There's not even an economy or trade in this game, so the advantage that someone could gain is limited.

There have been duplicate bugs already, and they have been fixed (most were visual, but at least one person managed to actually collect the gold from scrapping duplicated items).

They just need to be fixed.

FWIW I don't think there should be something like requesting a restoration from customer support or whatever that they have to do manually. There should just be a system like undo or buyback that can only give you the exact item you scrapped exactly once, and can't give you an item that you didn't scrap or can't give you an item twice.

And it's the terrible UX design that is to blame for the majority of mistakes when it comes to accidental scrapping because the game trains you not to pay attention when holding a button because of how often you have to do it.

[plucky adder]

You can ctrl + right-click items into both the scrapper and the upgrade window

Yes, you can pay attention, but the processes shouldn't resemble each other to the point where you'd need to.

[slender bronze]

you;re entitled to your wrong opinion

[winged sparrow]

oh no shit? thatsawesome lol

[ebon stag]

yes, thats mostly the reason those errors happens.
ctrl+rmb can be used in every other window aswell to move items.

and the brain lag ofc, from too much grinding 😄

[terse zenith]

The undo-button should take 2minutes to undo your mistake. Time to think about what you did is important!

[waxen pasture]

I think you should be required to send a letter to CR explaining your mistake and asking for forgiveness.

Also probably a waiting period of 2 to 3 business day to let the existential dread set in...

Are you reading yourself ? it's a game, mistakes happen, people play to have fun, to disconnect from their life, not to be reminded that they are faillible

[ebon stag]

i have a better idea

[plucky adder]

include the anvil in the picture

[foggy thorn]

You can use Ctrl or alt + click

(sorry I just saw you've been told)

[paper pagoda]

I haven’t done this since I ALWAYS double check.
That being said, a “double check” system would be good.
“Are you SURE you want to DESTROY these items?”
Yes/No with a checkbox do not ask again today
This would REQUIRE a mouse click. No enter button can bypass this box. THEN, you can hold down to scrap.

[ebon stag]

or just undo last scrap and dont bother everyone with double checking all the time 🙂

[paper pagoda]

That’s the point of a checkbox to not be asked again

[ebon stag]

monkey brain just clicks, holds, clicks, checks
monkey brain only regrets later when gone

[brave ridge]

The issue with scrapper&upgrades is:

• They are next to each other
• They both require you to open the window, alt+click the item, then hold button at the bottom of the window

Simple solution I see is make use patterns different. E.g.:

1. Make scrapper a second tab om blacksmith, instead of separate building
2. Move "scrap" button to the topright of its window, so it does not intersect with where upgrade button is

Result is that to upgrade you need:

• Open the window, alt+click your item, hold the button at the bottom of the window

And to scrap you need:

• Open the window, open second tab, alt+click your item, hold the button at the topright of the window

[waxen pasture]

or just add an "Undo" button 😛

Why make the life of everyone more difficult to fix something that is fixed way better with a simple button.

[green mortar]

People apparently arent able to tell the difference between 2 completely seperate areas and 2 different interfaces and you think that putting them both on the same npc is a fix? This is an issue of people being stupid. After seeing these complaints more, I think it's fine without a change. If they can't get something so simple correct, I have doubts in their ability to even play the game

[plucky adder]

Managing your inventory doesn't quite require the same level as attention as progressing difficult content, and it's weird to ask people to pay the same level of attention at all times.

Making the methods different (though I disagree about being on the same NPC - that still leads to mistakes like people rerolling their entire weapon instead of traits) is going to address the majority of the root cause.

Undo and buyback are just quality of life on top of that.

[green mortar]

Same level of attention? lol. The reroll npc is an issue, this is just failure to pay the smallest amount of attention to what you are doing. Anyone scrapping their gear thinking it was upgrading is deserving of the loss.

[plucky adder]

I've probably scrapped well over a thousand items at this point. Do I really need to pay full attention each and every single time for such a repetitive task?

That's bad design, plain and simple.

[green mortar]

Its not bad design. Its two different stations with a different UI. I stand by my statement

I'd think after 1k+ items, you would know the difference

[plucky adder]

Now, I probably haven't mistakenly scrapped an item for around 100 hours, but that doesn't mean that it's a necessity to make people pay attention to that.

The fact that there's a tip on the loading screen is a red flag.

Good UI / UX design is intuitive, so that you don't make mistakes even if you don't pay attention, because the intuitive action is the appropriate action.

Failing to distinguish two different actions in UX is a mistake. Especially opposite ones.

[brave ridge]

Undo button requires way more design&engineering than simple reorganization of the flow. You need to store history of scrapped items. You need to handle corner cases like what if currency gained was already spent.

It's way more reliable to just reduce number of such accidents in the first place

[waxen pasture]

I really hope you never do any mistake in your life... that's such an elitist attitude... it's sad really.

It's a game ... we play for fun ...

[waxen pasture]

You have multiple way to avoid any edge cases and have a really simple button :

• button only available as long as the dialog is open (which is probably 90% of the cases, people realize immediately they did a mistake)
• as soon as you do any action involving currently, button becomes unavailable
• store only the items scrapped the last time you clicked on the scrap button.

From a technical pov you are right, a button introduce more moving parts.

But from a user pov, you are wrong. A button fixes more use cases, and you proposition increases friction for people wanting to scrap items.

[plucky adder]

it's not that complicated if it's only applicable to scrapping and not rerolling items

all results from scrapping are replacable (other than socketed gems that you get back, but not including the gem in the buy-back price isn't complicated either)

check "does player have sufficient resources" => no? => don't undo

they don't need to be the identical resources that somebody got from scrapping, they're not individually identified anyway

now, if you reroll an item, you get an entirely different item, and different actions can be taken for that item (such as empowering a weapon trait, upgrading, or scrapping), and that's more complicated

but getting the last item from scrapping? not that hard

[green mortar]

We do play for fun. Wasting dev time on preventing stupid from being stupid reduces dev time for actual content.

[dull dust]

The game is infinitely scaling repeating dungeons, a simple undo button isnt something groundbreaking or technically difficult

[green mortar]

Nor needed

[grim grove]

With that mindset, nothing is needed

[wind kraken]

it already has a cast timer, the blacksmith for upgrades does not... very hard to mistake the two with two different UIs and use cases.

[grim grove]

they are both hold to upgrade/hold to scrap

[dull dust]

And theyre right next to each other

People are complaining every day about accidentally scrapping an item

There shouldnt be anyone opposing an undo button

[grim grove]

yeah but we have some people here that apparently have never made a mistake and everyone else that clearly have are idiots

[dull dust]

@wind kraken plays a paladin so theyre used to mistakes they cant undo

[waxen pasture]

I think it's more complex than that...

If such a button is added, those that never scrapped anything by mistake lose the superiority they have over us.

The can't be at the top of the leaderboards, the scrapper is the only location they can feel superior.

Remove that, they are nothing.

[wind kraken]

only if you play holy paladin.. prot is stronk 😄

[serene hemlock]

Give me the button, I will wear a title named “idiot” no problem

[covert parrot]

Or just add a buyback so you can do more than just 1 thing and make it better, works in other games stops people from comming back asking for this "undo button" to do 2/3/4/5 items etc.

[leaden pivot]

Please, this is the second time i scrap a main piece D:

[grim grove]

PLEASE ADD UNDO BUTTON!! hate to scrap stuff going thru the motions thinking im upgrading!