Ashe support?

[spring lark]

Imperial Mandate is pretty good and at some point arrow is like a 30 sec CD

[warm rampart]

I play Ashe supp, it's viable, level 6 is a huge power spike

[void drum]

her W basically can't miss and help with wave clear (i.e you have to be wukong irl to miss the "skillshot")
hitting W + comet is good poke
E is extra vision across the map on a low CD to check objectives when there's no wards
R is another "vision" tool and can swing a team fight and is on like a 10 second cooldown

[idle egret]

Seriously just stop doing it.

She’s not a support end of story

[slow geode]

bro shut up u lost last argument u will lose this aswell

[idle egret]

Lost what argument.

And I will lose the arguement about this troll pick. Lmfao

[slow geode]

werent u the guy from vlads talk?

[idle egret]

The one saying to build sunfire rylais on Vlad no

[slow geode]

wait...

[idle egret]

Or the guy explain mejais first item is a gamble

[slow geode]

ye thats what i meant i think

[idle egret]

So I ask you this now. Would you buy mejais first item on Vladimir?

[slow geode]

it has its moments to shine

but not consistantly

[idle egret]

Exactly

[slow geode]

either flip or huge lead

[idle egret]

That’s what I was trying to explain to people who don’t think the item is a ffing gamble. When it is

[slow geode]

ah

sry i think i confused u with some1 else

sry

my bad

[idle egret]

Your better off just sitting on dark seal

Instead of buying mejais

Would you rather a 350 item that can gain 45 extra ap. That can be simply sold later.

Or a 1600 item that builds into nothing.

And if you die once with it you lose 1/2 of your progress of your bonus ap on it

[slow geode]

i am not gonna discuss it anymore

[idle egret]

Good

[mild linden]

any champ can be supp

[warm rampart]

Damn, guess I'll keep playing her

[idle egret]

If you go by this please stop playing ranked

Nobody wants to deal with your “off meta picks”

[slow geode]

why tho off meta doesnt mean bad

[idle egret]

So is akali a support ?

[slow geode]

no

[idle egret]

Yeah that’s what I mean by. People who go by “anyone can be a support” stop playing ffing ranked.

[slow geode]

is trundle a toplaner / supporter?

he has some aspects which make it work in some scenerious

akali has nothing to offer as support

trundle has

r e

[idle egret]

A: was a top laners then everyone started playing him in the jungle cause his early game is really good into AD focused champs and tanks. Also has great ganks and objective pressure.

Jungle became his main role later but you can still play him top

B: support trundle a situational counter pick for tank supports like Leona and Naut

[slow geode]

see situational ashe prob has her place cuz she can do stuff with the cdr build that cannot be done on others no?

[idle egret]

Brother their are just champions who in theory could be support. But in practice aren’t this is one of those

[slow geode]

ye its not the meta has its place and sueability tho

[idle egret]

No it the fact wtf would I pick this.

People pick it because of her slows E and ult. But the itemization makes 0 ffing sence.

Also if you want a support with slows, almost every enchanter has slows in their kit.

[slow geode]

but not the range or the spamability

[idle egret]

And mage supports have CC in their kit

[slow geode]

not that long ranged

[idle egret]

The only long range ability that is CC in her kit is her R

Lvl 1 it has a 3 minute cooldown

If your a support

[slow geode]

u buy cdr

thats the whole point

[idle egret]

By the end of the game you will be lvl 10-14 and the cd will still be over a minute or 2 with CDR

And only 2 items

[barren hill]

ashe support is good if you are a good ashe support player

if you just pick it and dont think then you might as well go leona

ashe needs to hit good E's constantly

and later in the game decide to either engage with R or peel

[slow geode]

if u are decent into the game u will have less than 1 minute cd on a global range hard cc spell in minute 20

[barren hill]

its not just throw out cc and go in like leona or smth

its 30seconds late game

[slow geode]

or smth

[barren hill]

down to 25 full build

its filth

and if an ashe support is not revealing the jungler on E cooldown

its already not played properly

[idle egret]

Yeah and besides ashes R what else does she offer

[barren hill]

enemy jg gets such a huge advantage from supp pick

[idle egret]

Slows

She does little to no dmg

[barren hill]

jungle tracking for the entire team

u dont pick ashe to win lane

in chall information is everything

[slow geode]

damage is decent on 2 items and the range she offers with a basicly unmissable skillshot

[barren hill]

and you can contest things without going in to ward as well

its underrated as fuck

[idle egret]

Want to know sup ashes first item?

[slow geode]

if u are really good into the game liandry is an option

[slow geode]

mandate

[idle egret]

Yeah want to know the only ap ratio in her kit?

[slow geode]

ap dont matter

its passiv

and the rest of the stats

are good

[idle egret]

So your building ap items just to waste the ap

With support income

[slow geode]

its not the thing u are opting for sometimes u buy items and cannot utiltise some of its benefits

azir w cannot use nashors passiv

still buys it

[idle egret]

Yeah it does

His soldiers are based on his attack speed

[slow geode]

but his soldiers dont use the onhit

do they?

[idle egret]

Yes

They do

[slow geode]

i am not sure wether i belive u or chal player ngl

[mild linden]

this conversation is

[slow geode]

stop bullying me

:,c

[mild linden]

im gonna go play ashe support now

in ranked*

[idle egret]

Why do you think every azir build it

[slow geode]

stats

very efficient

[barren hill]

what are you guys even talking about

[slow geode]

idk

[idle egret]

Yeah and his soldiers also gain the on hit

[barren hill]

azir?

[slow geode]

ye

[idle egret]

Just like they would with lyandires

[barren hill]

[slow geode]

those are 2 different things

[barren hill]

[idle egret]

I’m just saying his soldiers apply on hit

His soldiers extend his auto attack range that what they do, they extend his range and increase his dmg because they are doing his auto attacks for him.

If you want a better example of attack speed being wasted.

Building attack speed on urgot

[slow geode]

i just googled and it doesnt apperently

[idle egret]

Hold on

Yeah, your right.

But honestly just himself having it, if he can’t use his soldiers isn’t bad. Cause the amount of AP he ends up getting

[slow geode]

he cannot use a portion of the item

ashe does the same doesnt she ß

[idle egret]

?

[idle egret]

With his soldiers.

Not himself

[slow geode]

his w is most of his kit isnt it

[candid monolith]

I don't know how you can argue that Trundle is a support, but Ashe isn't

[slow geode]

ye

[candid monolith]

If you think Trundle is a support because he is good situationally

Then how can you say that Ashe isn't?

[slow geode]

• crying in trundle otp

• me

[idle egret]

Trundle is a situational answer into tank supports

He’s great into champions like Naut Leona Rell. Because he’s reducing their autos while buffing his own.

And when he hits 6 he turns their resistances against them

Also trundle has CC that tenacity doesn’t affect terrain. Trundle has great jungle set up and most support can’t deal with his pillar

Because they are immobile

And when team fights come around. Shredding resistances from a single target and pillar is a lot of utility he can bring his team.

He just builds support tank items. Locket, Zekes, and anathemas.

A while back they did nerf the slow on his E cause he was being played as a support but doesn’t mean it still isn’t a situational pick.

[slow geode]

we understand the concept of trundle

thanks

but

why isnt ashe a support now

[idle egret]

Let’s just say it makes playing with her as a adc feels misserable.

[candid monolith]

Why?

She's not a mage support that is stealing your cs

She's not extremely weak early like Yuumi or Sona

[idle egret]

Unreliable peeling, only CC is her ult , and she offer nothing to help her adc

[idle egret]

Sona is not weak

[candid monolith]

Sona early?

You know what

[idle egret]

And depending who yummi is paired with dealing with them is a real nightmare

[candid monolith]

I'm not even going to even bother trying to do this again

[idle egret]

Good your a ffing pain in the ass

[candid monolith]

Since I can't match your unlimited champion knowledge

[idle egret]

Higher elo yet still has the knowledge of iron ffing 5

[candid monolith]

Ashe has W passive and Ult
and E is what makes her a really strong support

Since you can basically negate every gank if used correctly

[idle egret]

Yeah and what does she offer her adc?

[candid monolith]

Reliable laning and slows

[idle egret]

Nothing is stopping the enemy jungler from ganking your lane bud

[candid monolith]

and massive pick potential

and E

[idle egret]

Only if she’s auto attacking the target

[idle egret]

Only when she has ult

[candid monolith]

She outranges a lot of champ

And W is reliable

[idle egret]

Yeah and mage supports out range her

Guess who she is misserable against. Those

[candid monolith]

I'd prob say mage supports are her easiest matchups

[idle egret]

Your kidding right

[candid monolith]

Her gets countered by early game enchanters

and hook champs like Blitz and Pyke

[idle egret]

All they haft to do is stand behind minions and mage supports are never going to get touched by her

Unless she autos them

Which they will simply keep their distance

(Xerath/velkoz/Zyra/brand)

As for enchanters anyone with a movement speed increase makes her slows irrelevant

And tank supports have the easiest time catching her

Cause of how slow and immobile she is

[idle egret]

Yeah and some how they are still ganked get killed anyway. Looks like this tool doesn’t stop ganks.

[candid monolith]

I already said good Ashes who uses their E well

[idle egret]

Yeah and the Ashe can simply just be the carry and do the same thing

[candid monolith]

You know, for fun

I decided to check on how many games of Ashe you played

In the last 2 years

[idle egret]

“For fun” yeah I’m pretty sure your adc doesn’t want a for fun pick in their ranked games

[candid monolith]

Including norms

and rotation game modes

And guess how many I found

🙂

0

[tough helm]

😮

[idle egret]

Oooo wow congrats you care if I play the most basic bitch adc

[candid monolith]

It's just hard to take you seriously 🤣

[tough helm]

i dont take g4 players serious, they be wildin

[glacial birch]

ashe support = nerf sivir

[tough helm]

ashe support has nothing to do with the upcoming nerf on sivir

[idle egret]

Yeah and it’s hard to listen to someone who says.

For fun.
You thinks support Ashe’s adc is having fun with them as their sup. No they aren’t.

Especially in their ranked games

[idle egret]

So when the gold player is saying something that someone in higher elo should understand and doesn’t, tell me who’s wrong.

If a high elo player says akali is a support. While the low elo player says she isn’t and never will be.

You going to stick with the high elo player in this argument?

Yeah didn’t think so

[tough helm]

it's just hard to take someone seriously when they have over 1000 games stuck in g4.
I legit have smurfs fresh out of placements higher than that. If you have that many games in g4 then you must seriously lack game knowledge

[idle egret]

Lack knowledge 😂😂😂

And how many Smurf accounts did it take for you to hit diamond

Man I really wonder how many games you have across all of them

[candid monolith]

0

[tough helm]

Smurf accounts to hit diamond? I hit diamond 5 my first season playing in season 5 to answer your question

You have over 1000 games grinding and then here's one of my accounts just messing around https://na.op.gg/summoners/na/GODMODE123

10 games to accomplish what took you thousands of hours

you know why? because your game knowledge is nonexistent

[idle egret]

I wonder who is the most brain dead adc in the entire game that literally anyone can play their first time and do fine on. Oh wait that’s Ashe

[candid monolith]

But you would never know because you have 0 games on her

lmfao

This is legit just
Source: Trust me

[idle egret]

Bruh I don’t need to play games as her to know what she does

Most brain dead adc in the entire game

The champions who’s been the same since launch

[idle egret]

If you really think Ashe is as hard as champion like Samira. Then your ffing delusional

[tough helm]

samira is easy

most mechanical ADCs are Kalista, Aphelios, Draven, and Zeri

[idle egret]

Your kidding your kidding right?

[mild linden]

a ward

[idle egret]

and they still find a way to die to it even if the jungler is labled 100% of the game

[deft harness]

ashe takes more adc than a lot of adcs past mid elo

mf is the easiest adc

ashe relies on good kiting and movement

you also have 20> games on adc and 0 games on ashe so i think it's clear ur knowledge isn't all too high on the champ

[prisma canyon]

Cries in corki

[languid portal]

corki is not a difficult champion at all, hes pretty simple lol

[idle egret]

Hes not difficult but not easy.

And isn’t a adc because of how his dmg works

[idle egret]

The the most brain dead adc in the game. Yeah a guy who plays all roles and can play every champ doesn’t know Ashe. Tell me a new one lmfao

[rich granite]

I played couple of Ashe games and she's okay but really struggles against heavy engage and assassins

[idle egret]

She’s been the same since Lol launch

[rich granite]

You've got full view of map since early minutes and she scales kinda well into late with constant W spam

[idle egret]

Literally the most brain dead basic bitch adc in the game. Anyone can play her for the first time and do well on her. You don’t need games to be good on this champ

[rich granite]

I disagree

The whole pick is based about vision and CC with an arrow

They're not really easy to hit in long range

[idle egret]

If you can tell where someone is about to go landing a giant skill shot shouldn’t be too hard. Hell the ult moves a lot faster then people think it does

[idle egret]

You can literally first time this champion and still perform well on her cause of how easy she is and the fact she’s a utility carry means she can set up herself and make picks for her team so she’s never a bad answer. Unless it’s literally 4 assasins

And you’ve 100% seen her in other games so you can just learn off of that

I’m sure someone of your lvl would ffing realise you don’t need to play brain dead champions to know what they do.

[prisma canyon]

She’s the simplest adc next to mf but her and mf are different

Mf is baby easy while ashe you need to learn how to kite

[idle egret]

But Ashe makes kiting look easy

[prisma canyon]

Her reduced dmg means she needs to kite or she will get bursted down before she burst anyone else down

[prisma canyon]

That’s because of her on hit slowing on all abilities and hits

[idle egret]

Yep

[prisma canyon]

But you can spot the difference between a diamond ashe and a silver ashe

[idle egret]

And you can learn the difference between a good mf and a bad mf.

They ult the entire enemy team and probably get a Penta just from 1 ability that does a stupid amount of dmg.

Or you literally ult the opposite direction and get spam pinged by all 9 players

[idle egret]

Higher elo ashes will make more use out of their hawk shots to track the enemy jungler for their team.

While low elo ashes will literally throw it at their lane opponent thinking it does dmg

Wasting both charges

I’m honestly convinced people don’t read the abilities of the champions they play at times.

[deft harness]

in high elos ashe takes more skill than other adcs bc you have low dmg and HAVE to kite

and you have sub 20 games on adc

you know nothing ab the role

you've also hit silver on all roles whilst i've hit diamond on all roles

big difference

[prisma canyon]

Actually I’ve hit bronze on adc, so get played idiot

[deft harness]

talking ab blight

he argues with otps on everything

thinks he knows more than a multi season chall otp on their otp

[idle egret]

Your joking right. More skill than other adc’s, ok I guess champions like Kalista/Samira/Zeri/Nilah/aphelios must be easier then ffing ashe.

Meanwhile Mr 200 years has 5 guns each with their own abilites and ultimates. As well as functionality of each? “Harder then ashe”

What is ashe the Adc that slows you pretty much it.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[idle egret]

Oh your challenger congrats hey is a ashe a brain dead champ. Yes. Then why are you acting like she’s literally the hardest one to ffing play.

You sure your not just a iron 5 who bought a challenger account

[idle egret]

Ok I better listen to guy saying ashe is the hardest champion in the game to play.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[idle egret]

Less then 20 yet This is acting guy is like he threw out all the games of bot lane he’s played

[idle egret]

I swear half the people in this discord are iron players who bought all their accounts

Just from majority of what they ffing say.

“Ashe hard”

Compared to champs like Samira where you literally need to smash your face in the keyboard to get her ult off

[deft harness]

👍

big cope

[idle egret]

Bruh if this is what your like in whatever elo you are actually in “doubt whatever elo you say you are at this point” then I don’t even want to know what happens in your ffing games

[deft harness]

in low elo (which you are in) ashe is easy

in higher elos a champion like ashe is abused because of her weak damage so she is forced ot have good kiting

[idle egret]

Yeah you can do this with literally any adc as long as you literally know how to side step

[deft harness]

side step is not kiting

[idle egret]

Clicking backwards when a enemy is moving to you while auto attacking

Is not hard

[deft harness]

also you think your an outlier when a majority says something and you think your right? and when most of those people have more experience than u in the game

lets see u get diamond on ashe

[idle egret]

Yet the people claiming to have more experience say things that make 0 fffing

Frostfire Morde

Any champ is a support

Mejais first Vlad is good idea

Do I need to continue?

This is just from this discord server

[deft harness]

all claimed by players MUCH higher in knowledge rank and literally everything than you

you are a patient coming into a hospital and arguing with the doctor

you think you know more than a multi season otp on their champ

[idle egret]

So if a high elo player claimed akali is a support would you follow them 100%

And deny all others

[deft harness]

go watch happychimes

anything can work

just need to be skilled enough

[idle egret]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah I better start playing akali support then

[deft harness]

more cope

[idle egret]

You just say it so it must work

[deft harness]

🤷‍♂️

hmu when u hit plat

till then later

[idle egret]

Hey everyone akali is a support guys

@deft harness would tell you all the time

Can’t wait for what else the high elo player recommends us

Maybe he will teach us the way of katarina or garen support

He has so much to teach us

This is what you sound like

@deft harness

[idle egret]

Yeah I’m pretty sure 90% of what he recommends are players who win matches.

Against people who are boosted iron 5’a

We got the AD ahri who reached grandmasters (sure about that?)

We got the Grandmaster Zeri jungle (please tell me how your losing to a Zeri jungle?)

How a talon support got grandmaster (yeah I’ll tell you how by making himself the Adc and tell his random adc your the support now)

Ap wukong (wow a ap ratio on 1 ability (his E) is suddenly broken) 80-200 + 100% ap.

Then you might just call all the mages in the game bad and just play this.

When literally his entire kit is meant to help him do more AD dmg.

If your losing to a wukong who’s items only go into this ability then uninstall ffing league an go play farming simulator I don’t care what elo your in.

You cannot and should not believe 90% of what is posted in that channel

And all it really does is influence trolls/griefers

[eager wolf]

in higher elos ashe just isn't picked lol

[eager wolf]

something working despite what you do vs because of what you do are two very different things

the players on that guys channel are climbing despite their awful picks not because of them

also half the players on his channel are playing support, and frankly its easier to get to gm on support than mid diamond on mid/ad/jg. its no different than seeing an exotic pick in d4

well it's either support or "off meta top laner __" which works because top lane is very matchup based and most top laners haven't learned off meta matchups. but it's still mostly unviable for randoms to pick without matchup knowledge

[slow geode]

who stated that everyone can be a support? 2 out of those 3 things make sense to think

or to assume

[idle egret]

Yeah I can tell you why she isn’t picked.

One of the slowest adc’s in the game

Literally everyone knows how to deal with her

She gets slapped by many of the modern adc’s

She’s a assasins favorite target cause of how easy to get on her it is

[candid monolith]

How did you even come to that conclusion from what Zxam said...

Your brain is legit just different lmfao

[idle egret]

yeah and i really wonder what the people in high elo are really doing at times

even when i see plat-gm's trolling all their games for fun

[deft harness]

bro literally explaiuned why she's harder to play but still says she's easy lol

[deft harness]

i blocked him btw lmao

he solely twists my words and ignores what i say and his ego is immense

below average player 👎

[minor perch]

One line I remember quite well from the SKT-ROX series was the line 'it can't be ashe support, ashe support sucks' and I do realise that was seasons ago however in the recent KDF-T1 series Ashe support was picked multiple times. Could someone explain the pick? Is it just a specific Kalista counter or has the meta shifted that much?

[tough helm]

it still sucks, but its viable. big streamer ratirl made it popular and he has alot of fanboys

I have a smurf account on EUW and I see ashe support almost every game over there, I still see it in NA but not nearly as much

[near parcel]

plz don’t

[candid monolith]

It's just a pick making champ with E to create vision

in lane it's just a poke champ

[slow geode]

poke / pick champ her e is good for info and ult for picks u can spam it off cd and if u are fed ( for some good forsaken reason ) u can go liandry for insane damage