Let's talk about bronze or low elo in general being full of crap

[proven wadi]

just did rn after got home from exam and this is the result

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449661184451411968/1000014888598515802/unknown.png

i had good team mates who actually rotate

and jax gave up after minute 20 and started trolling on purpose

just checked senna in the enemy team

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449661184451411968/1000016945237721098/unknown.png

she's gold

when im literally bronze and most of my team bronze too

[tender quartz]

how have mods not shut down this thread yet

[balmy scroll]

Then why aren’t you gold or plat

Late asf to the party but I’m curious to see it all again

[prisma wolf]

That's a draft game

it's not ranked, people have separate mmrs for Normals, Arams and Ranked Flex and Ranked Duos

I am diamond in soloq but since I only play 4 drafts a season I usually get matchmade with silvers

[inner stirrup]

sorry idk why it isn't loading for me

but anyway the mmr is definitely different in norms, mine is low silver rn because i lost a lot of games playing yasuo adc with yone support

since people take norms less seriously it's common to find gold+ players in your games

[balmy scroll]

you cant gauge normal performance with rank tho

vice versa

[inner stirrup]

you can sort of check it approximately with websites that estimate your mmr

[prisma wolf]

yep ^ 📠

[balmy scroll]

sort of, but they are generally pretty bollocks

just observe who gets in your games

[prisma wolf]

They're fairly accurate I find

[balmy scroll]

these websites encourage a really unhealthy mentality

where people end up hellbent over their mmr

[prisma wolf]

I rarely do look at my mmr but when I promote a lot then play a few, i do check and it seems accurate

[balmy scroll]

literally just look at ur gains and that is more accurate

and something you can be certain of

[inner stirrup]

sometimes i like to run it down in norms (5 stack btw)

[prisma wolf]

can't be reliant on games since it takes into account the mmr of the teammates and enemies in that game as well, hence why you have variant gains in different games

[balmy scroll]

also why these websites arent accurate either

[prisma wolf]

recently played a game where all my team mates were low dia but my enemies were mid dia so i had a higher gain when winnning

[balmy scroll]

all they do is take an average of ranks of ppl you play with

regardless

[prisma wolf]

Riot stopped releasing mmr calculations about 3 years ago ish

[balmy scroll]

literally nobody needs to give a shit abt mmr

it doesnt matter at all

only copers will care about it

[prisma wolf]

It does when you play on a smurf or when you're in high elo

[balmy scroll]

''aaaaa but im ackchually d2 with masters mmr 🤓 ''

[prisma wolf]

just don't cope about it

[tired obsidian]

i get shit talked every game I play normals before the game even starts lmao

[balmy scroll]

then maybe its a you issue?

....maybe...

[tired obsidian]

People accuse me of wanting to stomp noobs and I’m like bro I just wanna play with friends

No

It’s because I’m gm

[balmy scroll]

knwoing the number doesnt tell you owt tho

[inner stirrup]

my friend is a grandmaster and he gets the same stuff every game

[balmy scroll]

ah

yeah i get that

was impossible to play normals when my main was masters

either you win and ''noob needs to play in lowelo normals cuz they cant win ranked''

or you lose and ''haha ebay acc''

[tired obsidian]

Lol

[prisma wolf]

Same, people are like "omg a diamond vs a silver", and then hard flame me when I just want to play off-role or try a champ

[balmy scroll]

gave up on normals a while ago

[prisma wolf]

isn't that the point of norms?

[balmy scroll]

flex is just the same but with a number that ticks up

[tender quartz]

or down

[inner stirrup]

also @proven wadi if you want we can duo and you'll get more gains if we win

[prisma wolf]

This is probably a bait post

I doubt it's genuine

[inner stirrup]

tbh it seems pretty sincere

[balmy scroll]

tbh id rather hope its satire

[prisma wolf]

Personally I wouldn't duo with anyone that has a mental like this, but that's just me

[balmy scroll]

^

would be more concerned if this was a legit post lmao

[prisma wolf]

^

📠

It's the type of player to flame their own pre-mades instead of self-reflecting or stfuing

[inner stirrup]

mentality is definitely a big part of climbing

i kind of feel bad for them though, as someone who has experienced being hardstuck bronze

it can be really frustrating

[prisma wolf]

As was I until I discovered the religion of Kled

but either way, they're not playing it right and they need to understand that themselves, it's not about the elo at this point, it's about playstyle

and definitely mental after looking at replies

[inner stirrup]

i have to be honest my macro and decision making is still terrible and i know that's what i need to work on

i think if they focus on what they need to improve on personally, it will be easier to climb instead of focusing on how bad their teammates are

[prisma wolf]

Like I can say im hardstuck dia, it's a shit elo, people die once and go afk or migrate to another lane permanently, lose mental instantly, etc. Even then, I have understood that full muting, not contributing to that and just doing well in my lane and spreading my lead to other lanes help significantly

it's a elo of mental, not gameplay

[inner stirrup]

not tilting is important especially if your last game went badly

some people just give up before the game even starts which is insane

[prisma wolf]

true that

also, consistency is key

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999814507369083011/1000043366089756692/unknown.png

I win lane 90% of the time, the other 10% it's the jungler going top perma and we win through drakes and botlane

take advantage of enemy mistakes i think

[inner stirrup]

yeah a lot of people (me included) have no idea what to do after winning lane and end up having very little impact on the other roles

[prisma wolf]

kled is easy since you just tp and run down bot with r or roam mid with r

then your team mates suck your pp if you give them the kill

and their mental goes up

spread the lead

[clear grove]

Same I can't duo with anyone who thinks that their team is holding them back
It gets really annoying when, they start blaming everyone but themselves

[true hatch]

why dont you just

go buy an eloboost

to like plat

okay

and then keep us in contact

lets see if you demote to bronze in a week or not

you just have no idea what you are saying until you actually reach the rank

a billion dollar company just goes on randomly to stop people, specifically you from ranking up?

no

i did the same shit on bronze, i was like even boosters cant get this account out

and look now im gold 4

on the same account

pls stop complaining about this garbage

you are at where you deserve

if you cant admit that, stop playing ranked

or youll just rage queue and keep losing

[inner stirrup]

not always

[true hatch]

on the game

i mean

[inner stirrup]

like if they've played 500 ranked games and are still hardstuck bronze then probably, but it's also possible that they just haven't played enough

[clear grove]

I wouldlove to see this

I wish I was rich enough to just give random plat accounts to people who claims things like this

and see if they can stay in that rank

[true hatch]

so true

i had a friend

ranting just like this guy

then he bought a boost to d4 from b1

he played only like 3 games

instantly plat 1

then he never could play again

cuz he would derank more

just stfu about "i dont deserve this rank"

[clear grove]

LOL

It doens't even need that big of a boost

I got a bronze friend to gold

still droppped

back to where he belonged

[true hatch]

fucking fiesta like i cant believe thinking that i deserve diamond as a bronze player

[inner stirrup]

diamond is definitely a stretch but they can probably get to gold

one thing they're right about though is how people treat bronze players like they're trash even though it might be undeserved

[deft tree]

I started season 10 bronze 4 now I’m plat 3

[deft tree]

I mean it’s kinda deserved bronze is pretty terrible

If ur in bronze there’s clearly something wrong with ur core game mechanics

I refuse to believe anyone with a decent pc is actually iron

[inner stirrup]

no it's not lol

if they're bad at the game then what's the point of shitting on them further

instead of giving them actual feedback

[tender quartz]

Feedback was given, feedback was ignored, rant was continued

Pretty deserved IMO

[clear grove]

I genuinely don't believe that someone can be stuck in low elo
Most people just don't want to put in the smallest effort to become better
I seen players playing from different servers hit high elo, players with shit computers hit high elo,
players who only play 2 games a day reach high elo, people who play on trackpads even reach high elo.

[inner stirrup]

not this person specifically, people just tend to treat bronze players like they're trash in general and it all adds up until we get rage posts like these

it's just tiring seeing people automatically go "oh if you're hardstuck bronze you're trash"

[fair linden]

i'm sure that most bronze players are great people, but if you are hardstuck bronze you are trash at this video game

[inner stirrup]

it really is possible for people to be unlucky

[fair linden]

it's really not in that elo

go watch salty teemo on twitch and you will get some good laughs

[inner stirrup]

i watch rossboomsocks

it's fun watching people try weird things in league and not care so much about rank

[jagged ridge]

I agree that being said I am bronze lol! But I do good in norms just ranked is always so hard cuz my adc and sup only want to feed and throw a fit

[inner stirrup]

my adc and sup only want to feed and throw a fit
remember to focus more on improving yourself and not what your teammates are doing

[jagged ridge]

A little hard when they feed jhin and then that fed jhin comes mid with their jg,mid

So the focus on yourself works early game but once the fed enemy starts roaming I can't just focus on myself

[tribal cloak]

honestly

if you are legitimately hardstuck bronze you are very probably just bad at the game

ppl make too many abuseable mistakes that if you can't abuse those and get a massive lead for yourself to 1v5, you're doing something fundamentally wrong

about bad luck - it works both ways, your team ints and enemy team ints

the thing I'll say about climbing imo is that it's not always about making the correct or proper play, but about how to make the enemy lose

[inner stirrup]

how many games until you would consider someone hardstuck?

[tribal cloak]

like 100 games and your rank hasn't changed

[inner stirrup]

hm i'd honestly say it would be around 150 games

[mystic edge]

100 games is like 3000 minutes of games no

seems pretty reasonable sample size

[tribal cloak]

i mean if you're really trying

[mystic edge]

ur also going thru laning phase literally every game

[tribal cloak]

it should be evident in like 50 games

if you're actually stuck

[inner stirrup]

i honestly disagree with that because if you start off with bad mmr it's very easy to get stuck

an unlucky loss streak leaves you gaining less lp than you lose and then it takes a while to get out

[tribal cloak]

that's not rly the issue

if you are actually better than bronze your winrate should be high enough that your rank still goes up

[inner stirrup]

but if you're good you'll get out eventually, it just takes time

[mystic edge]

doesnt this just prove @tribal cloak's point

if ur still 50-50 on wins and losses then u are where u are

[inner stirrup]

definitely not in 50 games though

[tribal cloak]

i mean 50 is quite a lot

if your match history is super coinfip then you're probably stuck

[inner stirrup]

my winrate went from 47 to 55 after i started playing more games

[mystic edge]

did u go from like 50 to 200

u didnt give numbers

[tribal cloak]

i also said if you're really tryharding

and stick to smth you know works

[inner stirrup]

it was 47 at around 50 games

now i have 80+ games

[tribal cloak]

if you start changing things up and climb then that's a sign of you actually getting better

so ofc you wouldn't be considered hardstuck

[inner stirrup]

no it's not me that's in bronze lol

i used to be though

[mystic edge]

https://na.op.gg/summoners/na/stepsis luden/champions pulling up up opgg for example

i think once u stopped playing yasuo ezreal u actually got better

seeing that u only play irelia yone most often in soloq during last week

[tribal cloak]

like

[inner stirrup]

yasuo is my main champion but idk why i have 14% win rate on him

[tribal cloak]

i see a bunch of bot games

early

and then you start playing mostly yone irelia

[inner stirrup]

yeah i realized adc is harder

[tribal cloak]

so let's say you continued to play adc

you'd probably be at around the same w/r

instead of streaking up

[vivid geyser]

https://na.op.gg/summoners/na/dummy

Wait how are you gold4 and im silver4

[tribal cloak]

which would mean you're hardstuck silver adc

but since you won so much on irelia yas, you're clearly better than silver mid

[tribal cloak]

your starting mmr looks lower

and you have a 50% w/r

[mystic edge]

ur mmr tanked to 50% winrate

[inner stirrup]

so i probably should play more adc to get my win rate in the adc role up

[tribal cloak]

no it's

[vivid geyser]

Oh LOLL

[tribal cloak]

if you want to climb you should keep doing what you're doing cuz it's working

if you want to be hardstuck silver you should be play more adc

[inner stirrup]

but then i'll only be able to play 1 role at gold level

[tribal cloak]

that's hwo most ppl are

[inner stirrup]

i think the yasuo games were just unlucky tbh

[mystic edge]

would just give like 10 more games and then analyze after

[vivid geyser]

Hardstuck but been a while since i had this much fun on league

[mystic edge]

or even 5

i was in your position at one point

[vivid geyser]

Game sucks when youre trying to climb seriously

[tribal cloak]

yes

that's why most ppl don't climb

[inner stirrup]

i used to queue fill

[mystic edge]

i was like 20% winrate or some dogshit on yasuo and then i played him more and that was how i climbed out of silver

[inner stirrup]

i haven't even been able to play him because people dodge if i hover him

[mystic edge]

but i think yone is more straightforward for silver/gold

champ spikes harder than yasuo ime but i'm no connoisseur

i just play them a lot

[inner stirrup]

apparently they have apps that can check win rate on a champion for a specific person

[mystic edge]

fuck em

just play

they wouldve looked for other reasons to flame u

[inner stirrup]

yone is great because even if i get behind i can set up teamfights with r

[mystic edge]

i'd argue u should dodge if someone is being pissy about winrates in champ select

[tired obsidian]

It’s a bit of a personality type I feel whether or not you climb without effort

[mystic edge]

esp if they're gold like u

[tired obsidian]

in the sense that

[mystic edge]

u only do that for people who are otps in high elo or some shit

just not worth it

[vivid geyser]

My silver mechanics are no longer able to climb with the new talented silver players

[tired obsidian]

some people have fun by optimizing and strategizing

[inner stirrup]

i think i've only dodged once and that's because my friend told me to

[tired obsidian]

That’s the kind of person I am

So I naturally get better while I have fun

[inner stirrup]

is dodging common?

[tired obsidian]

other people find the thinking and stuff is work

And they don’t get better when they just relax and have fun

[mystic edge]

i think dodging is dumb

unless theres like a yuumi bot

[tribal cloak]

dodging is op for climbing

[mystic edge]

or someone picked disco nunu

otherwise just play

imho

[tribal cloak]

there are some games that are just too hard to win

[tired obsidian]

dodging is a thing mainly for things like offrole off champ and loss streaks

Losers q isn’t real, but losers mental is

[inner stirrup]

how do we check those though?

[tired obsidian]

you OP.GG people

[inner stirrup]

just op.gg?

oh

[tired obsidian]

But to be honest dodging isn’t worth it until very high elo imo

lower down you’re better off just improving yourself

[inner stirrup]

i play the best when i'm unaware it's a ranked game

[tired obsidian]

Because there’s so much abusable stuff and mistakes

[inner stirrup]

sometimes i accidentally queue in ranked instead of draft when i'm distracted

[tired obsidian]

ya just have to care less

But still care about winning

[inner stirrup]

also i think macro is something i really need to improve on

[tired obsidian]

but ya the reality is if ur whole team has been loss streaking

Their mental is probably shot and people don’t recognize how much your own skill changes with mental

Like a plat player can easily play like a silver if they’re gigatilted

[inner stirrup]

out of all my friends i think the higher elo ones tilt the least

[vivid geyser]

I keep my mental in silver because im hardstuck silver and never play safe aahahah

[inner stirrup]

as long as you have fun then it's worth it

[vivid geyser]

Aint got time to get out of braindead state in silver 😂

[tired obsidian]

hmm well

I actually am of the opinion you should play super aggressive if you want to get better

If you’re lower elo

You just actually also have to think about the outcomes

[inner stirrup]

and be nice to teammates

[tired obsidian]

i find in gold plat people handshake lane too much

At least in bot

[inner stirrup]

i won a surprising amount of games where the enemy team tilted until they lost

[tired obsidian]

They just let eachother farm

[vivid geyser]

Were just fitting in with my teammates vs enemy yasuos

[tired obsidian]

But you never learn if you never try shit

[inner stirrup]

i limit test in norms a lot although sometimes i end up going 0/12

[vivid geyser]

Too sus when you dont fit in with your matched teammates

[tired obsidian]

personally I can still have a ton of fun even if I’m inting kinda so

[vivid geyser]

I agree but people j my name tho

Viktor is a fun champ tho

[prisma wolf]

So incredibly unlikely

since you're using the words "hardstuck" and "unlucky" in the same sentence

sure, you can be unlucky and have a few unlucky team mates, perhaps even 10s of games with them, but as soon as you're getting into the hundreds upon hundreds of games (aka hardstuck), and you're not climbing, then it's hardstuck bronze

that applies to any elo, could be in diamond or masters or grandmasters, if you have hundreds of games upon hundreds of games in an elo, it's no longer to do with luck

providing that you're still actively trying to climb, so if you were hundreds of games in GM but you want to be in GM, you've hit your goal of being in GM and now you're playing 3 games a day for decay and you're not trying to climb, i'd say that's something else ya know

[fair linden]

agreed, you don't get unlucky and have 50% in hundreds of games in bronze

[prisma wolf]

Yeah, it's more coping at that point

Being hardstuck isn't the end of the world, 90% of the playerbase is usually, it doesn't mean you can't get out, it's just a label

League used to class it as "Veteran" iirc because hardstuck is too demoralising xD

but they removed that too :/ It used to be on the ranked tab in profiles when looking at someone's rank

[vivid geyser]

Damn long paragraph dont make sense for my small vrain

[elfin gyro]

The only problem is the Lp gains, feels like I’m getting nothing which makes it annoying to climb

And the occasional support bots which are a dodge or lose the game nuisance

I get the bad teamates time to time, sometimes I’m the bad teAmate but in the end, we’re all low elo and were all still learning to improve

[prisma wolf]

play more games

honestly all the advice I can give

if you promote you get a soft mmr reset

then you gain a lot again

[elfin gyro]

What’s the max mmr you can get

[prisma wolf]

That I'm not sure about, it's just whenever you promote into another elo you get a decent mmr reset and your gain increases

that's why smurfs like to get to promos, dodge, dodge, dodge, fail promos, get to promos, dodge dodge dodge, etc

builds their mmr

[elfin gyro]

Mmm

What does mmr do exactly

[prisma wolf]

determine your lp gain and the players you are against

so not much

[elfin gyro]

Mmmm

My mmr must be trash then

13-15 lp for win
17-19 lp for loss

[prisma wolf]

🤷‍♂️

i used to have +12 -15 until i promoted

now it's +17 -15

[elfin gyro]

Wow

[haughty swallow]

Ask one of your friends in that elo to let you play ranked on one of their accs for like 3 games then come back here and share results

[untold echo]

^

[haughty swallow]

Also let’s not talk about macro in bronze… if you were good at both you wouldn’t be there and you’d literally curb stomp every single game

[ebon drift]

^

Spitting facts this has to be a bait post

[haughty swallow]

Had a friend give a D4 acc to a silver 4 who said he deserves plat. He went 1/15, 0/11, 4/13

[haughty swallow]

Spitting straight facts

[proven wadi]

rank like every stage like p1 - d4 or plat -diamond in general

[hexed hatch]

@proven wadi u belong where u r my man

like

come on

[stark saddle]

idk i think he might be the next faker

[proven wadi]

nah

soon enough ima be in silver

and then gold

[hexed hatch]

yeah but stop claiming

'u should be diamond

[proven wadi]

never did

[hexed hatch]

if u go negative in 60% of ur games

[proven wadi]

ur being a clown

[hexed hatch]

u did

[proven wadi]

dont make a fool of urself with false testements

[stark saddle]

im bored out my mind, come play some norms and prove you belong higher

[proven wadi]

just because i said i can play with diamond players and carry which has happened doesnt mean i stated that i deserve to be diamond

maybe reading a little bit would help u

[hexed hatch]

Man riot needs to fix their ranked system, people have said this over and over, this is not fair, I've played with diamond+ matches with people in my friendlist and i belong in there.

lol

thats what u siad

"ive been in diamond+ games and i belong there+

ur hardstuck bronze

go negative all ur games

lol

[slender gale]

can i come too?

[stark saddle]

@slender gale why not

[proven wadi]

u dont even know me

ur talking to much shit for somebody who barely read what i truly typed and doesnt even know me nor ever played with me

[stark saddle]

Come play

[proven wadi]

just because u saw somebody say something similar to my case doesnt mean im them lol

[hexed hatch]

I read the full thing and probs like 3 people in the whole discord have played with u

[proven wadi]

im playing later not in the morning mate

[slender gale]

we're in lobby waiting for u op :c

[proven wadi]

if u really had read u would be answering this^

never stated i should be in diamond i said ive been in a diamond game and didn my job as jungler and didnt have to worry about feeding lanes and carried with constant successful ganks and objectives taken

[slender gale]

u never feed ever?

[proven wadi]

When i said diamond games i mean like i played with a friend who had diamond players and yeah we had some normals and the result was positive

[proven wadi]

nah u reaching with that one

of course I've fed and made kistakes

[slender gale]

no im just asking

[proven wadi]

okok

[slender gale]

what is it about your gameplay that sets you apart from other bronze players

because right now you've only listed your teammates not feeding as the reason you win

[proven wadi]

Watch my u.gg

Enjeru03

there's a couple of games that they fed the enemies so hard that i couldnt even farm my own jungle and even so I'd get kills because im able to punish mistakes because guess what im not a bronze player

maybe like 4-5 months ago when i didnt even play ranked at all and was sitting in Iron 1 i was in a bronze level of skill

but since like 2-3 months ago ive climbed till bronze 1, ive made a lot of mistakes but the past like 2 weeks i should be already in silver

but I've had set downs

and one of them happened in promos days ago, why i made this thread in the first place cuz i was a little mad i have admitted that. i tried deleting cuz its kinda of a pointless topic now for me since i am gonna be climbing regardless of unlucky team mates i get in a few games yknow

and cuz there are still some random people coming at me projecting what they have seen from actual hardstucks and their mentalities towards me

[haughty swallow]

You literally said you carry dia games

[proven wadi]

no, person who clearly didn't read and loves to twist what other people say

even right now u dont have to scroll

u have all the information right there

[true hatch]

copium on crack

[clear grove]

^

[stark saddle]

If it makes you feel better, i am also hardstuck 😦

[umbral sun]

boosters exist and usually win like 90%-100% of the games form iron till gold(even higher than this) , so with this information u see these are good players who dont even struggle they even just play the game and they win but you're telling us you belong in higher elo cause you're better? Well tell us , why are you better yet you can't do what other good players can do? Cause of your team? Well they have about the same players as you get on solo q and yet they still win

Instead of blaming your team for feeding or trolling just blame yourself for what mistakes you do , instead of having a bad mentality and thinking that his game is a team game just change it and look at your mistakes see how to improves (there are A LOT of videos on how to become better at league )

As long as boosters exist in a competitive game then that means you can carry solo no matter what team you have

[true hatch]

It's just you man. If you deserve to be higher, you would be. The first step is to stop complaining and making excuses, and the second is to grow as a player. Good luck.

[true hatch]

In norms or are you getting on a diamond ranked acc?

If you have low norms MMR, the diamond players you run into won't be the ones who try hard in norms

[proven wadi]

nah the max I've gotten was gold players against me in a random solo queue match

those games were me with my plat friend with his diamond friends

and i played just like in any bronze match up and i did pretty damn well it's not i was smurfing 1v9 im just saying that the game was much smoother because laners were ready when i ganked and rotated for objectives properly unlike in most of the bronze matches im in

[prisma wolf]

like me

[proven wadi]

i made this thread recklessly it was a little rant cuz i lost promos, im not really hardstuck cuz i dont belong in bronze like i previously said, i just meant that it's taking too much time to get out of this elo because of a bug in my mmr gains few weeks ago where i was getting really random LP gains

[prisma wolf]

i play roughly 10 drafts a season

i get put with silvers

[tired obsidian]

A friend of mine was challenger earlier but she legit like messes around and half runs it down in normals

if she plays solo norms she plays with silvers as well

[true hatch]

The only test of skill for solo q is playing solo q

If you deserved plat+ you'd be winning almost every game right now

What you're lacking is consistency and fundamentals

A fundamentally sound platinum player can 90+% bronze and 75+% silver

[kind briar]

man says he belongs in diamond+ but cant leave bronze, yeah right

[placid parrot]

just play norms

[kind briar]

what "bug" in mmr? you just have bronze mmr bro

i rarely play ranked and it still only took me 5 games to get out of bronze into silver

[feral moth]

low elo xD

you are so cringe for posting this, make a new account and try to climb, you have fresh mmr, if you climb to gold ok you may deserve a better rank but it will come. If you barely get to silver you deserve your rank and stop bitching about it, learn to play and stop complaining

[placid parrot]

toxic ^

[elfin gyro]

True^^

[low patrol]

hear me out

what if we stop playing league

i think thatll solve the root of the problem

[mystic edge]

new account doesnt do anything xd

[feral moth]

?

Huh ???

[mystic edge]

all it does

[feral moth]

Buddy new accounts literally have fresh mmr, for example if I play on a hardstuck plat account I’ll be getting +15 -15, but if I know I improved and I make a new account it’ll have fresh mmr and if I get to plat with a good win rate I’ll be getting +20 -10 making it way easier to climb

[mystic edge]

is that u get to whatever peak u are

and then ur stuck again

[feral moth]

Not really

Well I’m telling this guy to make a new account and try to get out of bronze he will have fresh mmr

If he gets hardstuck again it means he’s trash and deserves bronze xd

[mystic edge]

it could also mean

that he should just try climbing out of bronze

xd

[feral moth]

Yeah but he’s saying he can’t cause of his mmr

And that he’s getting bad teammates

If he can’t climb out of bronze even in a new account that’s like tough xD

[valid path]

if you are hardstuck d1 playing on a fresh account most likely will help you get to masters

[mystic edge]

wouldnt that just mean u coinflipped into masters

[valid path]

nah

if you are hardstuck d1 with normal mmr you get somewhere around 15-18lp and lose the same ammount

[low patrol]

his mmr is pretty normal tho

[valid path]

depends on mr diff between teams and its sometimes pretty big

making a fresh account will allow you to get 22-24ish and lose 15lp

so even at 50% wr you will get there

[tired obsidian]

it’ll get you there but if you continue to play you’ll likely drop out

[clear grove]

It's just a temp boost

Like you aren't masters because you are a masters player (likely, some might actually be good)

You got lucky with your teammates

A lot of talented people, don't credit luck enough

If you are able to replicate your succuss consistently, then it really shows your true skill

[tired obsidian]

Not just that but it’s also just how the system works when determining your rating from an initially unknown state

It’s like pid feedback control if any engineers here

Ok not exactly

but point is

The system only knows you’re winning a shit ton

When you’re way below your true elo, it has no way of knowing where you should be

[clear grove]

Me trying to read a wikipidia article

And not understanding shit

thank god I'm not in your major

[tired obsidian]

But it tries to get you there asap

so it gives you huge gains and little losses

that inevitably overshoots when you actually get to your rank

But give more games and your wr equalizing it’ll correct downwards to where you should be, assuming your skill doesn’t change

[clear grove]

Oh I never thought about it that way

That's a p insightful

[tired obsidian]

For an extreme example

Just imagine for every win you went up a whole tier

So you win one and u instantly go from silver to gold

And like in placements when u lose you don’t lose anything

That’ll get you to climb fast to whatever ur actual skill rank is

But when u get there ur rank overshoots until ur losing more than you win

So now the system knows you’re too high

And adjusts gain losses accordingly

[proven wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449661184451411968/1000572716627284068/unknown.png

@clear grove @inner stirrup

already in promos with 1 win

3 games 3 wins in a row lol

[inner stirrup]

@proven wadi congratulations!

keep climbing and you'll get to gold soon

[proven wadi]

yessir

[sullen finch]

im sorry but if youre hardstuck bronze its on you. YOU need to remove that trash mindset of yours being "im gold and plat" and you need to learn to 1v9 and improve to the point where you get out. gold and plat players are trash anyways.

also, anyone at gold+ could easily soloq and get out of bronze in no time.

[inner stirrup]

every elo is "trash" to someone higher

[sullen finch]

funny thing is im not higher. im in plat 2 atm. i got here really easy but dont see myself diamond yet, i still stand by it that gold and plat is trash. and i was gold 2 months ago.

[spice harness]

if ur that desperate then just pay someone to boost you to gold 4

then see for yourself if ur actually at that level

[inner stirrup]

guys what exactly are you trying to accomplish

no offense we already went over everything a few days ago

the person gets it, they're trying to climb now

[sullen finch]

put my 2 cents in thats it

[inner stirrup]

scroll up lol there were at least 2 other people saying basically the same thing

all we should be doing now is encouraging them to climb

[sullen finch]

i did encourage well i attempted to.

[grand axle]

theres no way ur serious about this LOL

[pastel grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL3Ewncdgcs&ab_channel=CoachCurtis

[civic jungle]

man this video is 50 min just resume what he say or prove

[pastel grotto]

he plays two games without any macro plays just literally csing

loses one then wins the other

as annie with is a super basic champ

both games 15+ kills even when super behind

[civic jungle]

then what this only 2 games should mean ?

[fluid marlin]

if ur bronze u deserve bronze

[haughty swallow]

Funnily enough people higher call their elo trash too

[winter flame]

your mmr is your "real" rank, your "rank" is really just for show

if you're getting +15 -20 it means you're right, you're not bronze, you're probably lower

the way to "fix" bad lp gains is to actually reach your "show" rank for real

which is to win more games than you lose in your mmr rank (which is your real rank)

[clear grove]

[tender quartz]

68 clown reactions lol

[elder geyser]

69

i dare some mf to ruin the 69

i dare yall

[elfin gyro]

chalenge accepted

[elder geyser]

BRO

[elfin gyro]

🤡

[feral moth]

xd

[finite oracle]

play jng/mid in normals, carry the whole team urself, increase ur mmr, get out of loosing queque, play jng/mid in ranked, carry the whole team urself, go to ur deserved elo

[proven wadi]

some people said normals have no association with ur mmr ranked lol

and i do play normals and carry those games lmao

[proven wadi]

when i play normals my kda is off the roof, cs impecable, objectives taken most of them by me too lol

[finite oracle]

as far as i know yes

[proven wadi]

maybe that increased my mmr in ranked since i used to have really bad and @clear grove said my mmr has no problems

[finite oracle]

but a lot less

[finite oracle]

tell me ur name and region imma check it

[proven wadi]

sure but like since yesterday/2 days ago ive been playing bad some games

Enjeru03 EUW

i even pulled off with garen and kayle jungle in normals lmao

[finite oracle]

wait

did u stomp a kayle game 3 weeks ago?

vs a kayn jng

[finite oracle]

theres everything wrong bout ur mmr

low bronze I

[proven wadi]

low bronze I?

does that mean

Bronze 1 is high bronze

basically silver

[finite oracle]

the worst players of bronze I

the worst third of em

[clear grove]

It doesn't work for aged accounts

Norms mmr only matters for new accounts

also your kda whatnot doesn't matter either

mmr doesn't recognize performance in game

[finite oracle]

oh ok i didnt know that

i just seached in google a while ago and it said it took norms into account

[proven wadi]

i lost 5 games in a row of ranked because i kinda didnt put my best game, it's still bad teams but i couldnt carry cuz i didnt play as good as i could

but i won the past 2 games so im sitting at 31 LP now

if u watch my last game u will see what kind of players im used to have in my team

against a much better organized team

Enjeru03, EUW

Garen 19/9/10

319 cs

most damage and gold

objectives too,

i could've played maybe a little better but i sometimes forget the waves to run down mid tower and end the game

and both adc and samira didnt grab them cuz they were too busy full hp on our base (dancing?)

i wish i could record the vod and send it here just to show how fucked up team mates i get lol

it's ridiculous

akali mid spending 24/7 of the game just pressing champion tilt

[clear grove]

Yeah only for new accounts

Because matchamking needs to base it off something

But once you have ranked games

It will use the rank mmr

[haughty swallow]

Nono, normals mmr only matters if it’s a fresh acc. Else no correlation

[sleek meteor]

do you actually want advice? it seems u only want to vent ur frustrations and ur ego is incredibly high

u can easily climb out of bronze with any champion in any lane , and dont come with oh teammates and afks and trolls, u get them in the enemy team as well so its balanced

[elfin gyro]

Can confirm, if you want out of bronze, you can get out of bronze

[brave pollen]

every single player who is higher rank than you could log on your account and climb out of bronze 1

[clear grove]

85 Clown reactions, op is goated

[hollow fog]

Mate bronze is so fucking fun to play in you have no idea

Everyone is pisschilling in turbo low and relaxing

Chill gamers

Or they are Uber toxic and you mute

Later on the only people you encounter are people that don’t talk, or are toxic

Also if you wanna climb out of bronze

I legit need you to do two things

First plug in your keyboard

And then turn on your monitor

There is way too much information on the internet for you to be bronze in season 12, unless you basically have never played games before and this is all new to you I don’t believe it

[placid parrot]

the fact that this thread is still open...

[tender quartz]

its because of people like you that continue reactivating the post with nothing to add

[placid parrot]

you're right!

[proven wadi]

So I can say now that I'm hard stuck bronze and not because im bad but because league's matchmaking is actually fucked to the point a lot of people don't even believe on that and mock hard stucks around any elo.
I just gotta accept that not only i don't get more than 15LP when I win but when I lose, I lose atleast 20LP or more. But not only that but 50% of the ranked games riot puts me in are literal iron V players who aren't even capable of any micro or macro whatsoever, so I'm expected to do their job and carry 1v5 when the entire enemy team is fed and just accept I'm a noob?
Man riot needs to fix their ranked system, people have said this over and over, this is not fair, I've played with diamond+ matches with people in my friendlist and i belong in there.
This game matchmaking system is literally putting people like me stuck purposefully as a business strategy for us to play more and more regardless of how unfair and obnoxious it is to be in this position.

Let's talk about bronze or low elo in general being full of crap

Oh and just to clear, Riot's excuse that these matches where they put 2 literal noobs in my team who will 100% lose lane and late game because they have no micro/macro play and it's to test me if i can carry, then yes I've carried a few of those games but it doesn't matter because when I win, i only climb 15LP and when I lose it's 20+ LP

[fair linden]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[proven wadi]

not saying im perfect either but im 100% sure i belong between gold/plat

[civic jungle]

can't mod do something for those post it's just cringe there's too much delusional people

[proven wadi]

ur calling me cringe and delusional?

[tender quartz]

@proven wadi https://youtu.be/PBHEbd3fA2c

[proven wadi]

can't admit im in a bronze level of gameplay

sorry

ive played with other elos and i know for a fact bronze isnt the place for me

what i can acknowledge and i already do by making this post is that im hardstuck in here

[tender quartz]

send op.gg

[proven wadi]

and ive explained the reasons which are factual and has nothing to do with my gameplay

i use u.gg

but the username is

Enjeru03

EUW

[tender quartz]

so where are these literal iron 5 players youre talking about?

[proven wadi]

idk man honestly im saying by memory and iron 5 is an expression

it's players that are being put in my ranked matches and they're literally imcompetent of any sort of micro/macro play and i mean quite literally

[tender quartz]

also +15/-20 cant be true, your MMR is the same as your rank

[tender quartz]

you are too though

[proven wadi]

no idea what that means

but ive seen

and i lose a bunch of LP when i lose

[tender quartz]

https://prnt.sc/mupGzuGR6sgw

[proven wadi]

and even if i win by carrying the entire game i dont win as much

[tender quartz]

bronze 1, same as your rank

[proven wadi]

let me check actually

[tender quartz]

ingame performance has no effect on short term lp gains/losses

[proven wadi]

not saying that

im saying i literally am losing more lp than I gan

gain

even if I win 2-3 games in a row i will literally lose 1 or 2 and will end up with less lp than before

[tender quartz]

u.gg says you get +16/-15

so how is that +15/-20?

https://prnt.sc/CkXvrswo6Evp all +16/-15

with the expection of going into promos

[proven wadi]

yeah i went in promos for silver for the first time like yesterday

[tender quartz]

so, stop with the . shut up, and get good

[proven wadi]

lost one games and had 2 losses

in the mark check

[tender quartz]

if you really are better than your rank, you will climb

[proven wadi]

also i saw u.gg

and it's very random

sometimes the wins are 16 lp

sometimes it's only 6lp

then the losses same thing

it's 15lp then 25lp

then 8lp

[tender quartz]

its because u.gg doesnt refresh your LP every game

so sometimes they have to guess your wins and losses

[proven wadi]

doesnt change the fact that it's bronze it shouldn't be that difficult to climb at all u shouldn't be facing literal gold/plat players who know how take objectives and fucking have to have 3 iron 5 team mates

[tender quartz]

you are not facing literal gold/plat players though, because if you were you would go every game 0/10

you are where you belong

face it

and stop typing

and get good

[proven wadi]

ur the type of people who do this

over and over

i already improved and i dont deserve this and i know it

[tender quartz]

thats just not true though

[proven wadi]

ive played with friends who are in diamond and facing that same level and I carried

my macro is good my micro too

[tender quartz]

where is this game then?

[proven wadi]

go search it yourself

u have my username

u face it

my cs numbers are good

i gank

[tender quartz]

6 cs/m is good?

lol

[proven wadi]

i take objectives

i teamfight when it's really needed and dont die randomly for no reason

[tender quartz]

youre not even getting MVPs consistently

[proven wadi]

and we still lose because getting 2-3 bad team mates constantly in bronze is literally normal

[tender quartz]

https://prnt.sc/esySsRHwLQ4K so would you say this game you carried?

[proven wadi]

for some reason i cant share screenshots

[tender quartz]

you need the link

[proven wadi]

but it says 4 cs min is the normal in bronze

[tender quartz]

doesnt mean that 6 is good

for your rank, maybe its better than average, but in no way is it "good"

[proven wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449661184451411968/999753993154723880/unknown.png

[tender quartz]

https://prnt.sc/xcVodKrRkHhE this game you carried too?

[proven wadi]

yeah thats the game

[tender quartz]

these arent with diamond players though

not even platinum

in your team

[proven wadi]

thats a friendly game

its an example

i gave

i dont belong in bronze lmao

[tender quartz]

you cant point to one game and say you dont deserve your rank

[proven wadi]

and twisting facts over and over isnt gonna change the original facts i gave

[tender quartz]

then i can point to tons of games when i giga perfomed and say i deserve challenger

[proven wadi]

not what i did

[tender quartz]

but i obviously dont

[proven wadi]

didnt say i was perfect either

i just dont belong in bronze

[tender quartz]

yes you do

[proven wadi]

nope

[tender quartz]

because if you dont, you wont be there

[proven wadi]

that invalidates the fact that the ranking system is unfair

if the ranked system functioned well I'd be sitting in gold happy and would have no reason to be complaining about the situation im in

[tender quartz]

ranking and matchmaking is almost as fair as it can be, just because it doesnt place you with 4 smurfs doesnt mean its a bad system

[proven wadi]

didnt say that

that's u twisting ur arguments again

[tender quartz]

you said its unfair

[proven wadi]

no need for that unfunny hypothetical situation

who said i want 4 smurfs

i want matches where i dont have to deal with an adc and mid laner who have no idea what to do and they just feed to the point even if i the jungler or top lane or support arent feeding we cant get shit done

[indigo sand]

okay but listen there's no shot it's coincidence that like 20 games in a row there's some hyper smurf on the other team and my top/mid/jg go a collective 0/15 in the first 5 minutes (speaking from personal experience btw)

[tender quartz]

oh god not another one of these

[proven wadi]

flappie

whats ur elo

[indigo sand]

I'm a professional TCG/CCG player so trust me I understand playing a metric fuckload of games and you're going to have peaks and valleys but holy shit

[proven wadi]

answer mr vsauce pfp

league is in another level i know

even high elo players and pros and coaches have admitted

and the energy of guys like this flappie bring to the table isn't helpful at all

[indigo sand]

I mean, he's right though

[proven wadi]

not when he says i belong in a lower elo of my actual skill level

[indigo sand]

your mmr is where you're at and 6cs/m is the like baseline of where you should be

[proven wadi]

a real bronze player is learning how to cc properly and how to lane and rotate and all these stuff

im not on that level

all i said

[indigo sand]

until you're dropping consistent 20 bombs with sub 5 deaths and maintaining high cs/obj/etc and still losing then you can talk

[proven wadi]

I've done

let me give u examples but ima take my dog outside I'll brb in 20mins

or check my u.gg

Enjeru03

I've had those games

i can say i dont belong in bronze and im humble enough to say i belong in silver/gold not even gonna say plat anymore because thats too much

[indigo sand]

and to my point earlier about peaks and valleys, yeah, sometimes you're gonna go 20/2 or some shit with 7.5cs/m and your 4 teammates are going to get absolutely gapped. it sucks but it happens. if you're CONSISTENTLY playing at that level though, you'll eventually climb

it's hard but just focus on you and what you can do to improve

can't let other things break your mental

else you'll never climb

I'm out tho, gl

[clear grove]

You just have to report it

Mods get mad if you type that

[tender quartz]

report in #message-the-mods ?

[clear grove]

Yeah

Most mods don't check these threads

so we have to manually report it ourselves

[pallid yoke]

if you are playing good amount of games adn still hardstuck that is just you being bad

[tranquil wadi]

I think that would just highlight a lack of cooperation in a team game lol

[severe junco]

Being in smurf queue is ass too

Never made it past silver like 4 and I get a bunch of 80% winrate fucktards and fresh level 30s in my game

[proven wadi]

50% of my games be like that

[pallid yoke]

💀

[deft tree]

@proven wadi what rank do you deserve, then?

[proven wadi]

silver/gold

im humble enough to say i should be there

[deft tree]

I’m plat 3 atm, if you put me in silver lobbies I would stomp every game

If you are truly gold you would be stomping every bronze game

[proven wadi]

and i do get gold level players against my iron 5 level team mates who fed them enough to be able to stomp

[deft tree]

The odds of them being on your team are just as likely

[forest halo]

If your matchmaking puts you in those kind of team it just means it considers you the same kind of player

[deft tree]

[forest halo]

And so there should be some player like this on the opposite team

[deft tree]

Besides, if you get gold level players on the enemy team you should be able to win against them if you are actually gold

[forest halo]

However if during your game you focus on your bad teamates then yea you're going to be hardstuck gor a while

[deft tree]

The way I got from gold to plat was literally just shit stomping my laner every game

You need a better pick either

You can’t play tank junglers in bronze and expect to carry

If you want to play a tank jungler in low elo pick something like a Zac, Poppy, or Amumu

[lofty cobalt]

I kinda feel you, but mine is a small rank gap, Id stop being zero lp in bronze 4 if there werent so many damn bots and smurfs

like maybe bronze 3 by now

im losing my mental stability so if my own team bans my hover im trolling that ranked game or going afk

[proven bay]

bait thread

your win rates are good https://imgur.com/a/7i4yGav

you belong in the rank u r in

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

yada yada

your wr is good so im assuming youll climb out of bronze anyway

[proven wadi]

Yes i will

i was mad cuz i lost promos

with reason

[civic jungle]

stop pay attention to this guy he's else a troll or a clown

[clear grove]

From your opgg, you don't seem to be hardstuck
Seems p temporary @proven wadi

[proven wadi]

p?

[clear grove]

pretty*

[proven wadi]

oh yeah i know

[clear grove]

You gotten into bronze 1 since 12.13

[proven wadi]

i mean i lost 2 games in a row after ranting in here

[clear grove]

for the first time

[proven wadi]

yeahhh

i started league last year too

[clear grove]

So just keep playing and stop malding

[proven wadi]

okok

[clear grove]

over bad games

If you feel like you don't need to vod review that's fine

[proven wadi]

i mean cmon

its low elo

i have good memory too

[clear grove]

Some people get stuck in low elo

and if you don't feel like you are one of those peopl

[proven wadi]

i wont like u said its temporary i was just mad and i already admitted that

[clear grove]

that's fine, but vod reviewing is the most efficient and quickest way to climb

[proven wadi]

i know i will climb but it should be way easier with my level of skill

[clear grove]

So don't dismiss it

[proven wadi]

alright i will try it someday

[granite oak]

so stop typing and giving bad advice

while u are bad

[proven wadi]

never did

im not bad

[granite oak]

yes u did

yes you are ?

[proven wadi]

u talk too much what u dont know

never played with u

[granite oak]

you are bronze 1

[proven wadi]

vayne main right?

top or adc

[granite oak]

i dont main vayne? i play her like 10x

lol

[proven wadi]

u cs good?

u rotate for your team mates when u can actually win?

do u have map awareness

how often do u look at the minimap

[clear grove]

I mean doesn't James claim to be Masters

[proven wadi]

i think so i honestly dont know

he just goes on saying everyone is bad

without knowing never playing with them

[granite oak]

anyone can add me on my accounts xd

[clear grove]

I mean

[granite oak]

i check opgg and see

[proven wadi]

and says he average 400 views when no one asked

[granite oak]

and by the way u type

xd

[clear grove]

Rank is a reflection of skill

[granite oak]

ur typing bad advice

etc

[proven wadi]

not necessarily

[granite oak]

bad advice + opgg i will call u bad for both things

[clear grove]

If you think you are better, your rank will reflect it

[granite oak]

true, but bad advice + rank

[proven wadi]

not necessarily

a good player could just not play ranked

[tired obsidian]

legue serious uwu

[proven wadi]

or for example

a lower rank having way better micro and macro than someone higher rank

it happens am i wrong

[clear grove]

That's fine, but that doesn't mean that player is a good player
that player had the potential to be a good player

But isn't

[proven wadi]

i mean ive seen terrible terrible high elo players in matches on youtube

there are variables to this

it's not soemthing definite

[clear grove]

But those high elo players are better than you

And that's just fact

[granite oak]

true. but ur advice/typing proves otherwise

[proven wadi]

yeah i agree

definetely

they worked and their work payed off cuz they were patient

[granite oak]

for example my friend is diamond 1 400 games, but yet has understanding of challenger macro etc, but he wouldnt type like u

[clear grove]

High elo players make mistakes, but it is easier for them to not make them again or they can more easily recognize it

[proven wadi]

yet still diamond

not challenger

guess why

[tired obsidian]

if you’ve played at least 100 games of ranked for the vast majority of people you will be +/- 2 divisions of where u are most likely

[proven wadi]

cuz there is variables to the game

[granite oak]

he was top 500 season 9, but diamond 1 now

[proven wadi]

but u cant reach that part cuz ur dedicated to saying everyone is bad and blablabla

[granite oak]

some people dont care / play for ranked

[spice lichen]

^^

[granite oak]

yet have good understanding of the game

[proven wadi]

there u go

[granite oak]

i agree

[proven wadi]

look at james

finally putting some variables

[granite oak]

but your advice/typing proves you are otherwise

[proven wadi]

god damn it

back at it

oh well

[spice lichen]

Says the guy who probably has multiple accounts

[proven wadi]

this guy keeps saying advice

where is the advice

im looking for it

[spice lichen]

New player has the name vayne in account in masters

Doubt

[clear grove]

What was the advice that Enjeru gave btw?

[proven wadi]

i dont even know myself

what im trynna figure but james just repeats the same sentences

i believe it's a bot

[spice lichen]

James makes new shit up every 2 seconds

[proven wadi]

he repeats the same like a bot

[spice lichen]

It’s likes someone who has no idea what their talking about yet saying it anyway and anyone who they don’t like he cries bad.

[granite oak]

kappa

[spice lichen]

I wouldn’t be shocked the account he sent isn’t even his

[granite oak]

@spice lichen add me

?

[spice lichen]

Hell no

[granite oak]

or want me to screenshare

lol

[spice lichen]

Yeah too see a screen of your bad

[granite oak]

[spice lichen]

That’s a good reason why I would

[granite oak]

so much copium from @spice lichen and @proven wadi

its sad,,

[spice lichen]

Tell me how many accounts you got bro

[buoyant idol]

u just suck

[proven wadi]

its sad u spend most of ur day inside ur crib

[spice lichen]

Come on how many

[tired obsidian]

quality discussion lmao

[spice lichen]

Cause no way this is your first

[clear grove]

Sadly...

The "Rework for tank items" thread got spammed so idk what they were talking about lol

[spice lichen]

Well what happens when people like him open their mouth

And the sad part is if it is his account

Mains adc’s

Why am I not surprised

[proven wadi]

xd

[granite oak]

a lot,

like 10+

[inner stirrup]

as someone who went through the pain of being hardstuck bronze, trust me just make a new account

[clear grove]

Do not do this...

[granite oak]

i play jungle, mid and adc

i play all

[proven wadi]

too lazy bro

[inner stirrup]

why not

[spice lichen]

Too lazy not making new accounts

Same

[clear grove]

For the amount of games you need to spam vs ai and norms
you might as well have used it to climb

and get better at the game

And even if you made a new account

[spice lichen]

Literally what every new account does

^^^

[proven wadi]

with a new account it should be easier to gain more LP than you lose

[clear grove]

Your rank will eventually settle back to your old account, and you will waste more time making another new account

[inner stirrup]

that's only if you actually belong in bronze

[proven wadi]

if i actually play tryharding im sure i will be gold in the end of a month

[inner stirrup]

if this person is telling the truth then they'll climb

[clear grove]

Most people belong in their rank

[proven wadi]

true

[clear grove]

Anyone who makes a new account because they can't climb
is just hard coping that they don't belong there

[granite oak]

ranking system means what rank u get after a good amount of games is what u deserve

[spice lichen]

Currently back in gold cause. Stopped playing tanks for a bit carried myself hit gold. Going to stay in it with my pick.

Was going near end of last season but lost it.

[clear grove]

and blaming things outside of their skill level

[granite oak]

if u play 150 games soloq, you are the rank you get

simple as

[inner stirrup]

not really

[clear grove]

Let's agree to disagree

You can make your new accounts

But you will fall back in place

[inner stirrup]

i got to gold 4 and so far i've been climbing

[spice lichen]

Yeah and how many games across all your accounts have you played

[tired obsidian]

It’s not impossible to get better while ur rank doesn’t change. You could learn fast or just play normals a lot and barely any ranked for a while.

I think it’s especially true at lower ranks

[proven wadi]

they just won't understand that

it's ok

[inner stirrup]

to be fair i barely played any ranked after i was placed in bronze due to unluckiness

[tired obsidian]

so sometimes playing a new acc can be faster

[inner stirrup]

also if you main adc in bronze, change roles

[tired obsidian]

But imo it’s whatever

[spice lichen]

Enjeru want to know what happened to the first 3 games of me being in gold?

[inner stirrup]

trust me

[proven wadi]

but saying ur unlucky automatically makes people say ur bad

[tired obsidian]

Just play more ranked on ur main

[proven wadi]

thats the annoying part too

[tired obsidian]

And if you’ve been playing consistently then you are probably where u are

[proven wadi]

what

[granite oak]

thousands of games in total

[inner stirrup]

it's not that i played hundreds of games on my main and still can't climb, it's that i don't want to play ranked on the bronze account because my mmr is bad

[spice lichen]

First game Darius into gnar I stomp the ffing lane. Adc gets pissed

[inner stirrup]

it's just faster to make a new account

[spice lichen]

Cries open bot goes top steals my lane

[granite oak]

then u deserve g4,,

[spice lichen]

Throws the entire game

[proven wadi]

classic

[spice lichen]

Second game same thing except my adc dies once goes top steals my lane

3rd game

Who wants to play with a Sion senna bot

Guess what happened

5/20 bot

[clear grove]

I just seen too many low elo friends, play their placements on a new account
rank high
and then stop playing
because if they do they will derank

[tired obsidian]

Unfortunately low ranks have a lot of variability because that is just the ranks where people get placed

[inner stirrup]

yeah but that's not me

[tired obsidian]

But you are still somewhere in that range of lower ranks

[clear grove]

So they have 11 games of ranked
and call themselves g4

[tired obsidian]

Which I would call bronze to low gold roughly

[spice lichen]

This is what I deal with in my ffing games

Enjeru

[tired obsidian]

10 placement games just isn’t enough to not be some what significantly affected by rng

[inner stirrup]

i have 80 games with a 54% winrate

[granite oak]

if u start new acc, most people will get placed bronze 4- bronze 1 if they are like silver player

[inner stirrup]

^

[clear grove]

May have been s4

then

[inner stirrup]

it's also much easier to carry games in silver than low bronze

[tired obsidian]

I actually agree

[spice lichen]

True

[tired obsidian]

I prefer to play smurfs in gold+ for similar reasons

[clear grove]

imo not really
but it just depends on your champ and role

[spice lichen]

Unless you got the I’m playing for fun players in ranked

[inner stirrup]

anyway the point is to get out of bronze you can either play maybe like a hundred games and grind through it or make a new account

[granite oak]

same chance for enemy team to have '4fun players'

[inner stirrup]

also don't main adc in bronze if you want to climb fast

[granite oak]

thats not how ranked works,

[proven wadi]

and yet they dont

[tired obsidian]

eh u can play whatever role u want tbh

[clear grove]

I used to smurf for a hardstuck bronze player
and a harstuck silver player
and it's easier in bronze
but may have been because of my champ

[spice lichen]

Yeah your support will always lock in senna and “support you”

[clear grove]

^

[inner stirrup]

it's more that you won't have a frontline

[proven wadi]

i see a lot of players in bronze with better macro than high elo players but noooo i guess im just bad right?

[spice lichen]

Cause your solo laners prefers to play teemo and adc’s solo lane

[tired obsidian]

What’s high elo to you and most likely not lol

depends on what elo discrepancy we’re talking

[spice lichen]

True high elo is not heaven

[proven wadi]

diamond 1 above is high elo

anything below is low elo

[spice lichen]

Yep

[granite oak]

u wouldnt understand what good macro is probs

everyone makes mistakes

even in high elo