#Beginner Ranked

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grim fractal
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yes

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/mute all

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thank me later

terse river
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best tip is to do not care about ur elo, u start in silver 2 and u are now silver 4? who cares u dont have anything to prove, just play what u enjoy and if u wanna climb just review ur games, if u tilt easily turn off all chat and chat in the settings

median harness
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ok heres my tips.

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Dont 1 trick champions

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as much as people tell you its ok its not. If you only play 1 champion and that champion is picked or banned. Then your the guy who is basically going into a game blind on someone youve probably never touched.

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Know when to dodge. In champ select like i said with 1 trick if you choose to 1 trick and dont get your champion your best result is too dodge. But another reason to dodge is going to be your team. Lets say you are an playing adc and then your top jungle mid and suppport lock in ADC's.

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yeah if you want a giant alarming telling you too dodge thats it.

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Or when you see someone with their off meta picks "cough ashe support"

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Read patch notes

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patch notes are the key to knowing whats good and not good every and what could be potentially a really good option.

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Ill give you one this patch: Jarvan top lane while unpopular is a good pick. This patch heavily buffed top lane and jungle jarvan. But for lane jarvan the buffs are even more because your Q is your trading and poking tool.

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I definitely going to be playing it more this patch cause depending the match and team comp jarvan top is great for his team and good into his lane opponent.

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Ill give you another one if you didnt like playing against aatrox you learn this patch his healing was decreased from his omni vamp but incresed his health gain her lvl. This means you have a greater chance at winning 1v1's with him because riot lowered his dueling sustain.

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and my last tip is itemization.

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Itemization is key to you performing well into every team comp. You need to know what is good and not good into a team comp and on the champion your playing.

trim dove
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People say one trick but have 1 or 2 back ups I’ve never heard anyone say one trick and one trick only

sudden laurel
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Every one trick above plat will tell you the same

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The guy above who thinks one tricks curl into a ball and cry while losing their lp when their one trick is banned is probably meta slave trash

grim fractal
sudden laurel
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Who has no idea how one tricks think and work

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When yi is banned i pick jarvan or xin zhao or sejuani and im fine

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"Read patch notes" he says, so you can jump from supposedly one good meta champ to another

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You have to be really good at the game already to do that because despite a champ being stronger than others it still requires a lot of training and mostly game knowledge for matchups and builds

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The builds websites give are 99% trash

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Im not even going to start about the matchups

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So because j4 is now decent anyone can pick him up and climb?

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This is especially important for strong but hard champions like most adcs and mages

grim fractal
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but yeah its a very low number

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its not the same garen meta than zed meta

trim dove
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Legit just last hitting minions with different champs can already throw you off and make you get behind easier

solid dew
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Don't do drugs

trim dove
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Why not?

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Oh lmao

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Nice edit

solid dew
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dunno what u on about

trim dove
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Hmm

sudden laurel
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But in my opinion what matters most is the champ knowledge relative to the game.

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Matchup knowledge above all.

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Not knowing the matchups of any champ will make you eat shit 9 out of 10 games

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Except if playing most support champions

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Because support is rock paper scissors, or tanks poke mages and enchanters

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So you can apply a more universal matchup logic there

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People that play simplistic champs like yi or garen or nasus depend almost entirely on matchup knowledge to climb

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The best example of this is riste, a former challenger garen player, the only one of his kind as far i know, currently in master

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Garen is legit braindead as far as mechanics go, and short ranged with no gap closers

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But that man is so well versed on the champ that he uses almost every rune and more than half of all items in the game depending on the matchup

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Why do you think inting sion had a negative winrate even before it got nerfed despite it being really strong?

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Because idiots with no knowledge of the champ picked it to supposedly abuse the freelo by hitting turrets

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Then fed their asses off, unleashed a 10 0 irelia on their team and in the end got like 2 turrets

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Start small pick a champ you like and you vibe with learn it well, without even realising it you will learn a lot about the game on the way as well

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Then branch off, if your champ gets banned have 1 2 simple champs to pick

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Undoubtebly no one will bother reading all this but people who preach meta abusing or generally playing w/e meta as a panacea tilt me off the face of the earth

grim fractal
sudden laurel
grim fractal
median harness
sudden laurel
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And i stand by my claim

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But he was really bad for about 3 years now

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They started with some minor buffs in season 11, shaved off 3 seconds from his W which is a dogshit ability imo, its well designed but its stats are too low

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Almost pitiful id say

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Gave 30% ad ratio to his R which is big but he was left so far behind the meta it wasnt enough

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Gave him some mana regen (ok like w/e?)

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And a significant buff to his passive cd

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And now the Q and E buffs

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Imagine how bad a champ was that even after all these buffs he will barely barely be 50% above plat which is supposed to be his stronger brackets

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He was top 3 back in the day for sure

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But he fell off

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He didnt have enough dmg to one shot even back in the season 11 days where the lulu one shot you with 2 rotations

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He couldnt and cant go toe to toe in long skirmishes with skirmishing junglers or toplaners like jax master yi viego sett xin zhao

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Long range junglers like nidalee and elise danced around him and his abilities

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Was supposed to be a diving bruiser/ juggernaut but had no tank stats other than his pitiful W

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And ofc couldnt beat down tanks fast enough before they run away

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Fell off a cliff late too because they didnt add some kinder surprise passive in his kit like panth's R armor pen

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And ofc his famous combo is a skillshot, and no you cant depend on a 5 minute cd spell to land your combo

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I guess where im getting with this is that the champ is healthy, and that is precicely why he fell off over the years compared to cancer releases after 2020

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By no stretch is he currently a strong meta champion which anyone can confidently use to climb

median harness
# sudden laurel By no stretch is he currently a strong meta champion which anyone can confidentl...

I’m not saying you are going to hard climb with him

I’m saying he’s a good champion too have in your champion pool, cause of how consistent he is.

You can climb with J4 as a good pick in your champion pool.

But hard play him every single game I wouldn’t recommend.

Even though the meta is pretty good for him, I may need to see after this patch since riot basically nerfed every enchanter in the game.

And nerfed laning across the board

median harness
grim fractal
median harness
sudden laurel
sudden laurel
sudden laurel
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ok he locks diana down but oh wait she builds a damn sunfire now so you cant kill her in time

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then she outsustains you and outdamages you in a long fight

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also her flash engage is so fast compared to your flag combo you wont possibly be able to react even with 8 ping

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sejuani flat out outstats j4 rn, at least before the last buffs he got, she is really strong rn with sunfire

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also even if diana doesnt build sunfire anymore due to the nerf, she can build gauntlet just as well imo, built it yesterday on yi who was another good sunfire user in a d2 elo game even against a fed vayne and it was fantastic

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so much cheaper too

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kind of unrelated to all this j4 convo but every fighter/ bruiser sunfire abuser can just as easily abuse gauntlet imo

median harness
sudden laurel
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if we fall down the if rabbit hole we are fucked

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what if the laner is an animal

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and doesnt ever watch jg

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or give a fuck bout pings

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or cant manage waves

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or is tilted

median harness
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Which jarvan is one of the best early game gankers in the game

median harness
sudden laurel
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i prefer talking with facts or at least very possible scenarios

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if diana doesnt find ganks

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she turbo farms

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if j4 doesnt find ganks

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he is useless

median harness
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But if Diana can’t make leads she falls off

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Cause she offers basically nothing but dmg

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J4 still offers utility and CC and when behind.

And has no issue building tank items

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Yeah if J4 doesn’t make leads he can’t do dmg.

Doesn’t mean he is useless cause a J4 no matter how far behind can set up his team in team fights

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Meanwhile diana offers nothing but dmg and her ult. Which if she’s behind basically does nothing at that point

sudden laurel
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yes but i told you diana has 2 ways to not fall behind

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j4 has 1

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plus he cant 1v1 her in an equal item/lvl scenario

median harness
median harness
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Guy already has armor shred in his kit. So he’s basically cutting the Diana’s resistances in half

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While doing current health dmg

sudden laurel
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my brain may have melted from all the right clicking but i cannot believe he wins with goredrinker and cleaver vs diana with nashors sunfire, plus she can even go riftmaker situationally

median harness
# sudden laurel my brain may have melted from all the right clicking but i cannot believe he win...

Thing with sunfire Diana is.

Sunfire dmg is based on your bonus health.

By the end of the game Diana will have at most 1000 bonus health. This only increases sunfire dmg by like 12.

And in the early where sunfire is the weakest without other items. Or other bonus health scaling. The dmg is basically nothing for non tank

Tanks that build sunfire are always doing double/triple what Diana is doing with it

sudden laurel
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what about yesterday's sunfire

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and i mean that literally

median harness
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Hell it’s a huge buff for tanks

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But nerf to non tanks

sudden laurel
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ok what if she builds riftmaker

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not too unlikely now

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with sunfire nerfs

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no mr for j4

median harness
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Haven’t seen riftmaker on her so I don’t know

sudden laurel
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rift does %hp dmg if i remember

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true dmg at that

median harness
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Once fully stacked

sudden laurel
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ah ok

median harness
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But honestly I wouldn’t think it be good on her because Diana doesn’t want extended trades

sudden laurel
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well i like jarvan, i like facing him having him on my team, playing him, so i hope you are right

median harness
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Oh after this patch I would say J4 high A tier least

sudden laurel
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that sounds great, he is pitiful vs yi and funnily so is diana

median harness
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20% bonus ad on Q and 2 seconds off of E is something you cannot ignore

sudden laurel
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one of the few 'green' tier matchups for yi

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indeed

median harness
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Q buff alone was huge for his 1v1’s

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Because of how spammable it is

sudden laurel
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hope they dont nerf him again

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if you remember well

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they buffed his R ad ratio and passive % hp dmg like a year ago

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then 2 weeks later

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nerfed the passive

median harness
sudden laurel
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yeah they buffed the cd a year after the revert

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kekw

median harness
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No that was pretty recent

sudden laurel
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yes the cd buff was a month ago

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the revert on the dmg was a year ago

median harness
sudden laurel
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well close enough

median harness
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Passive cooldown was 12.12

sudden laurel
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ok so

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they shouldnt have reverted it

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he needed the buff

median harness
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trust me that was actually needed

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10% current health dmg

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all ranks a little too much

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early game monster

sudden laurel
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yeah i got to d3 for the first time with j4 at that same patch

median harness
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Durability patch was not a win for J4.

I’m still shocked they nerfed his W that patch. One of the worst ability in the game.

The last 2 patch buffs he’s gotten were definitely needed.

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Also because Olaf may come back to the jungle

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He’s definitely dipping top lane after his nerfs

sudden laurel
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W is miserable

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just sad

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and yes the update didnt help him

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but they are too biased vs olaf to make him remotely useful anywhere

median harness
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After the changes. I literally spammed Olaf.

67% winrate like 40 games of spamming nothing but Olaf

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Top

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That’s how broken he was

sudden laurel
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yes he was

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for a couple of patches

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they wont let certain champs ever be actually good for long

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kalista ryze azir yi olaf

cinder spindle
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All my homies hate Diana

median harness
grim fractal
grim fractal
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ryze is just ryze

sudden laurel
median harness
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Olaf is now a solo Que champ but before he was basically dead the entirety of season 11. He was spammed pro play before that time

cinder spindle
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Yi is such a shit champ into any team with a modicum of cc and coordination which is exactly why he’s good in low elo

median harness
cinder spindle
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Kalista good COPIUM

median harness
cinder spindle
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That means kalista is broken I guess

median harness
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oh currently shes really good

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if you know how to play her

cinder spindle
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She’s not bad but she’s outclassed by other adcs imo

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If u look her wr high elo it’s about 50

median harness
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Champions like kalista if above 48% wr

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they are really strong

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this is the same case with akali/ryze/azir/irelia

cinder spindle
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Idk try playing her into a competent kog/drav/twitch

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Definitely not bad but some of the most meta champs rn do rlly well into her

median harness
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since all their items got hit

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and potions were all hit

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as well as exhaust

cinder spindle
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I don’t think they are hit hard enough to push them out of the meta

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But we’ll have to see

median harness
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2-4% healing and shield on all their items

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is huge

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for support income missing

grim orchid
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play like its normals since who cares

solid dew
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@median harness Should i just play champs with high WR?

cinder spindle
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Play what you have fun with

misty monolith
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otp is best way to climb and get good when you are new

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less new stuff you learn the game and not a new champ every game

cinder spindle
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i mean honestly 2-3 tricking is the best way to improve and climb

misty monolith
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it's all up to what you want to do but having 1 champ means u have to learn less early on

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2-3 tricking becomes the best once u learned more as you don't have to dodge counterpicks or when ur champ is banned

median harness
# solid dew <@356878381276594186> Should i just play champs with high WR?

Just cause the champion has a high WR doesn’t mean you should just play it.

If akali had a 55% wr (which if that were the case it would mean she’s broken or overtuned)

But if she had a 55% wr somehow, but she has a very high skill gap. But if you think just playing her means your going to win all your games. Boy you have a very bad idea of why she has a high win rate.

It’s because the people who can play her are using the broken state she’s currently in.

Akali will always be around a 45-48% wr because her skill gap and the amount of people that try to play and then fall on their face doing it.

If that champion Is a 50-55% wr then either riot did something ti make her broken/overtuned and the people that actually play her are abusing it

trim dove
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you forgot one thing in your paragraph

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pick rate

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a champ that is hard but really good can have a 80% winrate or whatever if just the one tricks play and same for a 30% winrate if everyone plays a champ in every elo and loses often

cinder thunder
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esp in lower elos

median harness
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Yeah here’s the flaw with what you just said.

If a champion has a 80% winrate that means literally the champion is broken/overtuned any one including a baby can play them and get penta kills in all their games.

Which is rarely ever the case.

One tricks even tho probably have 50-70% winrate on those champions.

Their global pick and winrate are being affected because you got the players who watch these champions pop off and say too them selves. Hey I’m going to climb with this champion I’ve never touched before.

Locks in akali against probably her worst match up and gets completely shitted on

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That’s why champs like yasou/akali/irelia/ryze/azir. Are always around 45-48% wr

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And even in high elo where these champions can struggle cause they are seen so much have their wr dip because you have less monkeys in those elos

cinder thunder
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i mean in low elo like bronze or silver you can perma spam scaling champs like veigar, kayle, kass etc and perma win

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every game i've seen in low elo goes to like 30 mins lol, that allows all of the hard scaling champs to scale and just take over the game

cinder thunder
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otping and or 2 tricking/3 tricking is the best way to climb

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you're basically trolling urself, ur team and ur rank if you perma spam random champs

cinder spindle
median harness
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Why do you think yasou has been known as the 0/20 king for years. Yeah for this exact reason

misty monolith
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otps have hit 80%

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otps also generally have an average wr of like 57% on their champ

cinder thunder
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otps will generally always have a higher wr than the avg wr

trim dove
trim dove
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high pickrate while he requires a decent amount of skill = low WR

median harness
# cinder spindle this why ezreal winrate so low lmao

Why would ezreal be low because of this?

One of the easiest champion in the game

Been out since launch anyone can pick him up and do well on him.

The only way I see this champ being over 51-55% wr is if someone found a new build that is “actually good” and is taking over the rift

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Like what happened with corki

cinder spindle
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whats ur rank just curious : )

crisp pilot
cinder spindle
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xd my bad he clearly knows best

solid dew
cinder thunder
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veigar, kayle, kass, etc

solid dew
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okay thanks very much

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@median harness we’ll surely a champ who is broken will be good for low elo no?

cinder thunder
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any champ is good in low elo

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and any champ can be used to climb to higher elos

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median harness
cinder thunder
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you said the same thing about voli when he was chilling with a 54-55% wr and had 0 counters in jg

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tank diana was just insanely broken lmao

median harness
crisp pilot
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its not just a skillcheck, diana was extremely strong

cinder thunder
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yup

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but nah man we're lazy

median harness
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@cinder thunder want to know what I said about both? People are fucking lazy for when it comes to learning to play against stuff

cinder thunder
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no lol

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voli was insanely broken

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crisp pilot
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to win vs diana: need a better teamcomp/to flip better team, to pick a counter, and for enemy to not have yasuo

cinder thunder
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and so was/is diana

trim dove
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you dont even play adc so what are you on

median harness
trim dove
cinder thunder
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he's a little less broken

crisp pilot
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the nerfs did help

cinder thunder
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he's still good

trim dove
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very

cinder thunder
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but he isn't nearly as good as he was

crisp pilot
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hes also a way worse flex

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with the nerfs

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which is rly

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important

trim dove
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no true but he went from broken to strong

cinder thunder
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you could literally perma blind him and perma win bc of how broken he was

trim dove
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thats true

median harness
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Volibear is literally just a walking meat shield.

And even after riot nerfed half his kit twice, people cried he’s broken

trim dove
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because he is>

cinder thunder
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because he's still really good lol, and you're acting like champs like mundo aren't broken

trim dove
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i dont even know what state of voli you are talking about now

median harness
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Even after they nerfed half his kit twice

trim dove
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and?

cinder thunder
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mundo is the definition of a stat stick walking meat shield

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and he's insanely good

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xd

trim dove
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if its broken and the nerfs werent good enough he still can be

median harness
# trim dove and?

Bruh if your crying about a champion who was hard nerfed twice. Actually get good

trim dove
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???

cinder thunder
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actually get good
stfu

trim dove
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im not having this discussion with you

cinder thunder
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xd

trim dove
cinder thunder
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1k games in gold

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💀

median harness
trim dove
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ever tried voli?

cinder thunder
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you cannot be telling anyone to get good

trim dove
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correct

cinder thunder
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literally no one

trim dove
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but thats you with that + everything youve said

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expect people to read paragraphs of bait and dont read a single sentence back

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nice

crisp pilot
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the cognitive dissonance xd

trim dove
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either league killed off a lot of braincells or you are playing league because youre missing those

median harness
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@cinder thunder until a Vlad discussion is posted don’t talk on anything please

trim dove
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why? cause theyre right

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or

cinder thunder
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xD

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get good at the game

trim dove
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do you not want to be spoken against

median harness
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At least I play more then 1 champ bud

trim dove
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also your "git gud" i am playing voli and i know how he feels

trim dove
median harness
trim dove
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sorry i mean more knowledged than an otp

median harness
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Want to me tell what changed about him

trim dove
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no

median harness
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Nothing

crisp pilot
trim dove
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dont type another paragraph.

median harness
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He’s still a walking meet shield

cinder thunder
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lol

trim dove
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im on my way there

trim dove
cinder thunder
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you can search my mastery up on masterychamps if you'd like to fact check it

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:)

median harness
trim dove
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ok and

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what then

cinder thunder
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i've said this multiple times

median harness
trim dove
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again

crisp pilot
cinder thunder
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i have 6 or so champs i can comfortably play

crisp pilot
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bc hes not gold player

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lol

trim dove
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**you dont read other peoples chat**

median harness
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Vlad 1 trick across 10 accounts

trim dove
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learn to do that then argue

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the only otps that are actual otps that i see are low lvls who are loving one champ

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those are iron-bronze

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how the fuck do you expect people to climb above silver if they play a single champion knowing that champ will get banned eventually

solid dew
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bruh idk who to believe at this point

cinder thunder
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  1. i have like 6 accounts and pretty much only play on 1
  2. i have 1 diamond account, which i just hit diamond on and its my main account, 66% wr with a 72% wr with vlad (which means im still gonna climb to a higher rank unlike you)
  3. what's wrong with being a otp? it's better than being whatever the fuck you are playing every role and champ
  4. being diamond with less than a 100 games is miles better than 1k games in gold
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gonna post this again

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since you can't read

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lol

median harness
trim dove
cinder thunder
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do not trust whatever the fuck blightknight says

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gigantic bait

misty monolith
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a plat otp is better than a gold all player

cinder thunder
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diamond otp now

median harness
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@cinder thunder ok 1 tric Vlad

trim dove
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you can trust the opposite

cinder thunder
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i hit diamond

misty monolith
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wasn't talking ab u specifically frax

trim dove
cinder thunder
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oh

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xd

cinder thunder
median harness
misty monolith
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but a diamond otp is also going to be better than a plat all player too

median harness
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For only playing 1 champ yes

trim dove
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they arent

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WHY DO YOU NOT READ

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JESUS

cinder thunder
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again, do you wanna search up my masterychamps ?

trim dove
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DO YOU NEED TO USE TEXT TO SPEECH OR SOMETHING

misty monolith
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blight has a massive ego complex lmao

crisp pilot
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@median harness hope u get banned from srs discussion for permaruining threads and egoing abt champ pool while over1k games low gold

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unlucky

median harness
misty monolith
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he knows more about vlad than elite500 a multiu season chall otp :)

cinder thunder
trim dove
cinder thunder
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i've literally played every champ in the game

trim dove
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READ

misty monolith
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you took 4300 games to get to g4

median harness
misty monolith
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you learned nothing from those games

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is something that is shown

cinder thunder
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i can hit gold in 19 games

trim dove
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m7 nidalee nice

cinder thunder
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lol

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you can barely hit gold in 1k

misty monolith
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thats like

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below below average

cinder thunder
misty monolith
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u can get out of placements in gold

cinder thunder
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can attempt to find ign

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if needed

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xd

misty monolith
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with high enough mmr to begin with

cinder thunder
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here

trim dove
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you should teach me vlad he feels weak

misty monolith
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why we runnin it down on jayce

cinder thunder
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bored

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idc about the acc

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wanted to learn jayce

solid dew
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i havent seen a vlad ina year

cinder thunder
misty monolith
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he's super weak rn

trim dove
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respect for jayce mid and not top

trim dove
misty monolith
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jayce top is honestly worse than mid rn imo

cinder thunder
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sure

trim dove
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i got cafe cuties from an orb i want to use it

cinder thunder
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dm and i can teach you some basics

trim dove
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all right

cinder thunder
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he's not hard mechanically

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it's just getting consistent

misty monolith
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should i turbo or supercharge my car on roblox

trim dove
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make it explode

solid dew
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i’m a professional robloxian

misty monolith
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southwest florida

cinder spindle
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vlad is strong but hes pretty abusable early higher up which is maybe why u dont see him often

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he can def be a monster

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actually what am i saying he is easy champ just position and press r

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i definitely play vlad

solid dew
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I wanna spice it up a little and start to play ranked solo. Any tips?

cerulean bear
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Win

solid dew
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Will definitely keep that in mind

neat yew
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not lose

cerulean bear
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One trick Is highly recommended for climbing

solid dew
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Yeah lol i don’t take this game that serious to watch my games

cerulean bear
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In low elo it’s better to always be the carry and not rely on your bad team

solid dew
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Alright

cerulean bear
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In low elo it shouldn’t matter much honestly

solid dew
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Kkay

crisp pilot
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role and champ pool?

fair bronze
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if u wanna climb high, think of maining a role and a few champs from the role (2-4)

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if u just wanna play for fun but like the competitive feel do what u want bro no one can judge u in bronze

sudden laurel
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Dont mute all but instantly mute anyone that starts barking

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Always keep all chat disabled

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Start by one tricking or 2 tricking 1 or 2 champs

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And 1 role

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As a second role dont put what you periodically like to play but something which you can play efficiently without much effort in order to try to mitigate losing your off role games as much as possible

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Aka support

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Dont play too many games a day and always take short minute breaks between games, 5 or 10 minutes

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And dont blame your shit teammates all the time otherwise you wont go up a single division

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This last one is the most important

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I never mute all chat and frequently rage queue but i managed to get diamond by doing the rest, some are more important than others

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I would say focusing on one role and one champion is the most important one

loud lantern
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play something that can carry so you dont get dragged down with your teammates, as much as everyone says that you should play whatever you prefer and so on, climbing in lower elo is objectively harder

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so basically, you want to have impact on the game, and be one of the main reasons why you won

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thats really the only advice you need, if you dont have impact in a game you can directly check why and go from there

cedar summit
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Before you start rankeds, do you have at least 20 heroes, and at least 3 heroes for every role which you know how to play?

sudden laurel
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Bruh

wispy nacelle
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Just don't play ranked unless you hate yourself and want to fall into the pitfall that is the ranked climb and have enough copium

sudden laurel
wispy nacelle
sudden laurel
loud lantern
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if anything league teaches you how to do that

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so its win win

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also check out broken by concept

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good podcast

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and they both have good youtube channels outside of it

solid dew
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Are you a new player?

solid dew
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Been playing for about 3 years just never played ranked at all

solid dew
solid dew
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Alright

sudden laurel
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by all means tho if this aint your cup of tea dont do it

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you cant force it

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just like one tricks (like m) cant force themselves to play many champs

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but for newer/less skilled players it is tremendously helpful in helping them climb the divisions

solid dew
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I’ll do akali then

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i am mastery 7

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i’ll play safe and hope for the best

twin zinc
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not the greatest champion to climb but very rewarding to master

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good luck

solid dew
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who are the best champs to climb

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mid and top preferably

late granite
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best champ is what u have fun playing so ur mental is better

fair bronze
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yea when ur in lower elo, anything works so just play what u enjoy and try to find ways u can win that fit in ur playstyle

modest lichen
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u should go build of top bayne cuz tankers lose who is counter

solid dew
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i’ve played a few games and did well with a darius but my teammates are just throwing so hard but the enemy team have good players

tacit smelt
crisp pilot
cedar summit
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tell me where it is a terrible advice

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let me guess, you want him to have two heroes which he can play and that all?

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for one role only?

crisp pilot
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@cedar summit the terrible advice is telling someone to try to manage being able to play every role, w/ 3 champs per role as if that wont completely prevent them climbing

cedar summit
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ah so instead of learning basics of every role better to say on chat in game for example I m autofilled, mid or feed?

crisp pilot
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no better to dodge

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lol

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be able to play 2 roles max

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if ur trying to learn 5 youre trolling your learning process

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much less 5 and 3 champs per role

wispy nacelle
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I'd say learn the basics of each role so that if you get autofilled, then you at least know how to play the role

crisp pilot
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that doesnt help you win when filled unless you are playing in silver

cedar summit
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so in your opinion better to not even know what is role which you dont play about and dodge every time?

crisp pilot
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?

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can you speak in an understandable way

cedar summit
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what part you dont understand

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I clearly wrote what you meant

crisp pilot
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"better to not even know what is role which you dont play about and dodge every time?"

cedar summit
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dodging when not getting ur role

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now is it clear?

crisp pilot
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then yes why is it a question

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i alrdy said do that

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trying to learn 5 will slow your climb on whatever your main role is

cedar summit
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ah so if someone is mid and toplane player

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most two popular roles

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in low elo

wispy nacelle
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If you wanna wait for hours cause you get autofilled a lot then go for it

crisp pilot
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you are not getting autofilled off the two roles you select for hours at a time

cedar summit
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you have to dodge because you got adc or support and you dont know how to play it

crisp pilot
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yep

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better than trying to play it

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and being silver on those roles while also slowing your climb

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and losing more lp

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and more time

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than if you dodge

cedar summit
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gonna suprise you, maybe you dont know it

crisp pilot
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lol

cedar summit
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but you dont have to train on rankeds

crisp pilot
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it doesnt matter

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?

wispy nacelle
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Dodging increases the time you have to wait in order to get to champ select again

cedar summit
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you can learn basics on drafts

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few matches on other roles

cerulean bear
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Draft is casual tho tbf

crisp pilot
crisp pilot
wispy nacelle
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Do you not know about the penalty for dodging?

crisp pilot
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? ofc

wispy nacelle
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And you do know that the time increases the more you dodge?

crisp pilot
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if u've used two dodges you dont keep queueing for the day

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?

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on that acct

cedar summit
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and you say

crisp pilot
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?

cedar summit
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that learning roles

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will slow down a climbing

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and at the same time

cerulean bear
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It’s not like your always auto filled tho, I’m rarely autofilled if ever

crisp pilot
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yes stopping every time you gain elo to try to catch up your ability to learn other roles and juggle a 20 champion pool will slow down your climb insanely hard @cedar summit

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its not rocket science

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if you arent doing that

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and just try to learn the basics

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then it will slow your climb by being useless once you climb past silver

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since youll still drop the ball when autofilled

cedar summit
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so better to play only ur roles and dodge when autofilled, than play two or three games on each role

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and learning basics of a hero which you can play when autofilled?

crisp pilot
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playing two or three games on each role doesnt give you the ability to play them when autofilled

cedar summit
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they do

crisp pilot
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no it doesnt

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?

cedar summit
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if you play two or three games on support you understand how support item works and what is ur role about

crisp pilot
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u think with two games on jg you stand a good enough chance to justify not dodging of winning against a d4 jungler who has 4k games a season

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?

cedar summit
crisp pilot
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d4 is highelo?

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as i said you climb past silver and its not useful

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so wtf is the point

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??

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ye ur def not trolling when u say playing 2 games will let you be comfortable on a role and 3 champs in that role enough to justify not dodging past silver elo

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right?

cedar summit
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I said learning basics will help and you will know how to play the role and what is it about

crisp pilot
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and that bothering with this forsure wont slow your climb when you can instead vod review urself focus on mistakes with that time and actually gain productive insight

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instead of useless knowledge which wont change the need to dodge

crisp pilot
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like wtf?

cedar summit
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maybe I will use other words because seems like you dont understand -
if you play at least 1 game where you play for example support - you know how support items work, also you see that you shouldnt take cs unless you have supp item which allows it by sharing gold.
if you play at least 2 games, you understand when supp and adc get lvl 2, when do you ward etc.

if you play at least 1 game of jungle you understand how jungler item works and how this role look. After another game you understand basics like around what timer you end clearing jungle with hero which you gonna player when autofilled. Also you learn how hard is ganking in some scenerios, like when teammate is pushing so also you are learning how to setup gank

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but if u just dodge

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you will get for example gold

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and then you will be autofilled

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and what you gonna do

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for example autofilled to jg. Dodged at least 2 times at that day

wispy nacelle
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Which is a faster climb

crisp pilot
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having 1-2 jungle games played doesnt give u enough chance of winning to justify wasting time and lp every time you get filled and you wasted the time you spent playing those matches aswell since it doesnt end up being useful

wispy nacelle
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Being able to play every role or only 2 roles and having to dodge?

crisp pilot
cedar summit
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lets say you learnt a bit about every role

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you play 6 games at day

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you lose 2

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its fresh acc, your first rankeds

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so you lose 14 lp (first lost rankeds on new acc without ranked history are losing around 6 to 8 lp per lose and get around 25 per win)

crisp pilot
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youd be in placements and lose 0 but sure

cedar summit
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no no, lets say you played all of them

crisp pilot
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yea

cedar summit
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when dodging, your first penalty is 6 mins and 3 LP, another is 30 mins and 10LP

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by dodging twice you lose 36 mins in total

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oh sry, + searching for the game

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so like 40-42 mins

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and nearly same amount of LP

crisp pilot
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you dont lose any mmr

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and the lp loss is way different once you have some games played and not godlike mmr +25 -6

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as in losing 2 games is double lp loss or more

cedar summit
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not really

crisp pilot
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in addition to mmr

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yes really

cedar summit
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I have a lot of accounts which dont have ranked history

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on some I had even 6 games lose streak

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after placements

wispy nacelle
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After about 5 minutes of trying to comprehend the logic behind this, I can say that it makes no sense

cedar summit
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and I got 24 LP after first win

crisp pilot
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if youre losing -14 then you lose more with 1 loss than 2 dodges, forget abt if you have 2 losses instead, its over double the lp lost plus you lose mmr

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and thats very typical lp loss for a defeat once your mmr evens out remotely

cedar summit
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I want to see a player who got into gold or plat with dodges only and has 0 knowledge about other roles

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and after that he is getting autofilled in first two games of the day

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and he has to dodge

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because dont know how to play

crisp pilot
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the downside if you only lose -6 lp when you lose yes u dont lose much lp by playing it but you lose the mmr carrying your gains

cedar summit
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and after that, as you said, he has to play on other acc

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and at the next day happens the same

crisp pilot
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again you should have an idea insofar as it helps you climb on your main role

cedar summit
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nah Im done

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cya

crisp pilot
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learning others for the purpose of being able to play them and climb isnt what you should bother with

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yep sure

cedar summit
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so better to know nothing about others

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and dodge when autofilled

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than play at least 2 games on other roles

crisp pilot
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than try to learn and be able to play every role and 3 champs per role yes

cedar summit
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I see that you dont understand why person should have 3 champs

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in lobby one can be banned, and second picked

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and if its low elo, most of players , for example junglers play warwick, amumu and master yi

crisp pilot
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and?

cedar summit
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if you show in lobby that you play master yi, your team isnt banning it

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enemy is

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and is for example picking warwick

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and because you learnt 3 heroes

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you can play ur amumu

cerulean bear
crisp pilot
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if ur trying to say dont only be able to play yi jgl in lowelo since he is often banned then i agree bro

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different than saying have a 20 champ pool

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and be able to play 3 per role

cedar summit
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20 champs are required to play rankeds

crisp pilot
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if ur filled AND ur champ is taken AND other is banned then just dodge

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like wtf?

crisp pilot
cedar summit
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ofc, I did not say you have to know how to play them

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and thats why I said 3 per role

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3*5 = 15

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you have to know 15 champs in total

crisp pilot
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you dont need to know how to play 15 either lol

wispy nacelle
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You should at least be able to play 2 champs per role cause if one champ gets banned then you can play the other

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And being able to play multiples roles instead of just 1 or 2 is better for overall player growth

crisp pilot
cedar summit
cedar summit
wispy nacelle
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3 champs is a bit much

crisp pilot
cedar summit
crisp pilot
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no

cedar summit
wispy nacelle
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You should learn only 1 or 2 champs to start out with, then expand to 3 champs

cedar summit
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so you have to buy the cheapest

crisp pilot
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in the time it takes to learn 15 champs you can have alrdy climbed out of lowelo btw

cedar summit
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when getting lvl 30 you have around 30k essense, if you buy for example two 4800 heroes and one 3150, you will have to buy these 450 blue essense heroes

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and maybe some 1350

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to start rankeds

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and some 450 heroes

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are support

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lets say role which you dont play

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so if you want or not

crisp pilot
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you do not need to know how to play any of the 450 champs

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if you have your 2-3 champ pool

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youre good to go

cedar summit
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not really

crisp pilot
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lol

cedar summit
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because all depends on hero costs

crisp pilot
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??

cedar summit
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if you want or not, you will have to buy more 450 than others

crisp pilot
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yes but it doesnt matter

cerulean bear
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Why are essence brought up in an argument about otping in ranked

crisp pilot
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idfk

cedar summit
cerulean bear
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I mean not rlly?

crisp pilot
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you dont need to play any of them

solid dew
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Not really

crisp pilot
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or know how

cerulean bear
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You can just buy the characters you want to otp at the start, grind with those to level 30, then just buy cheap characters till you have 20

wispy nacelle
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You don't have to get 450 be champs but it's more convenient

solid dew
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I only buy 450 BE champions to play rankeds on new accounts

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They did a good system

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You're going to get a lot of BE now

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You can buy at least 6 or 7 expensive champions

cerulean bear
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Also leveling up gives shard which gives champs at reduced prices

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And essence shouldn’t be a factor in climbing ranked

solid dew
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As a new player

cerulean bear
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That’s goofy. Sure it’s a requirement but it’s so forgettable, if your first time ever playing league most people will try learning the game first and stick with draft until like level 40-45

solid dew
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You shouldn't rush immediately to ranked anyways

cerulean bear
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And by that time, if they want to do ranked they can just join it whenever or work towards it

static basin
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i think...just give it a try and you will know what rank of you should be? so simply dont be afraid, it makes no difference if its a low BE or high BE champ when you are playing better?

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its about learning the champs moves and combos and counter i think...so practices make perfect

cerulean bear
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That’s why people OTP