Rework for tank items

[lavish verge]

Yea lol this post is so long now idk what is it even about anymore but remove sunfire cape from non tank champs

[scenic pulsar]

What other champions are going sunfire that isn't a tank?

I can only think of Diana

and if that's the case, why not just nerf Diana only

Why bother nerfing Sunfire

[hybrid kelp]

irelia + yone

theyre the only other 2 i can think of

[obsidian violet]

@proud pulsar ur silver on na

ur not allowed to have any opinions of the game

its like if you ask kindergarden kid playing football what rule changes should the NFL implement and what tactics are good

[scenic pulsar]

Chovy Yone lmfao

[obsidian violet]

idk why low elos are allowed to talk about balance

[lime cypress]

^

[obsidian violet]

if you havent at least hit master 1 time, you should not be entitled to have an opinion

and game should only be balanced around highest elo bracket

[hybrid kelp]

ye dzukill and irelking? idk how to say his name

[proud pulsar]

Bruh how much am I willing to bet we’re around the same ffing elo

[obsidian violet]

https://lolpros.gg/player/beaver

lets bet

i linked my lolpros link urs plz

[hybrid kelp]

oh shit this is sick

i didnt realize this existed

[obsidian violet]

plz stop na dogs

[lime cypress]

its EUW only @hybrid kelp

[obsidian violet]

at leat be challenger on na

[proud pulsar]

Alright not bad

[hybrid kelp]

ohh

[scenic pulsar]

wow gm

[obsidian violet]

if u already play on troll server

[proud pulsar]

Yeah not everyone is top 500 NA bud

[lime cypress]

@obsidian violet this blightknight is very delusional, he thinks sunfire on diana is bad.. and he says 'i am a tank main, so i know if it would be good its bad on diana'

[obsidian violet]

and if ur not top 500 NA then in my eyes your opinions should be completely ignored

and the game should be balanced around good players

[lime cypress]

@obsidian violet whats ur thoughts on sunfire on diana

[hybrid kelp]

i wouldnt say euw and na are completely different

[proud pulsar]

James here’s the only thing you say: your bad your bad your and your bad

[obsidian violet]

well its turbo op ?

[hybrid kelp]

the only difference happens in masters/d2+

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar u are giving bad opinions/advice

[obsidian violet]

i mean not rly

[lime cypress]

u shouldnt

[obsidian violet]

na soloq horrible

[lime cypress]

@hybrid kelp nah

[hybrid kelp]

no?

[lime cypress]

EUW is a lot harder in every rank

[obsidian violet]

apart from outliers

who are like top 100 on na

[lime cypress]

there is like 4x the players on EUW aswell

[obsidian violet]

and can speedrun ladder any region

[hybrid kelp]

didnt account for population

[obsidian violet]

average d2 player euw is like 400lp at leat na

[proud pulsar]

Says the guy who has 10+ accounts

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar so,, ? who cares if i have many accounts lol what does that mean

[obsidian violet]

obviously the top of the top of every ladder

can climb every server

but in d2 - gm brackets

its very apparent in terms of server strength

na is more like eune

if anything

its like

[lime cypress]

there is a reason tyler1 wouldnt get more than 300lp on EUW yet he is challenger on NA

[obsidian violet]

kr > china ( idk they got like 100 server but i think the korea one psure ) > euw > na / eune > other troll stuff

its something like that in terms of server difference

[proud pulsar]

And how much am I willing to bet majority are stuck silver to gold

[hybrid kelp]

i feel like kr is overrated now tho

[obsidian violet]

and then even if you disregard server

game really

should only be balanced

for master +

who cares if silver player get stomped by nasus or smthn

[tacit python]

kr is filled with more toxic weakside mental compared to any other server

you can go watch bausffs in korea for proof

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar not a single only, all are d2+

[obsidian violet]

they arent talented enough to have the game changed for them

[proud pulsar]

Yeah cause people have mental break down at 20 minutes if the game isn’t over

[obsidian violet]

@tacit python dude if i had bausffs my team

i would open from champ select

[tacit python]

id be happy

[obsidian violet]

that guy is so cancer to have on ur team

i would dodge him each time

[tacit python]

atleast hes challenger

[obsidian violet]

whenever i was offrole

[tacit python]

better than a teammate from your rank

[lime cypress]

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/fbg IlIlJamesllI

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/tempfxfqjhksnihd

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/vayne is my vain

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/nineoneseven

https://euw.op.gg/summoners/euw/temphycijhksnihp

@proud pulsar

[obsidian violet]

sure he is better than me

[proud pulsar]

Then you clearly haven’t watch a single game of the bauffs

[hybrid kelp]

hes masters/gm rn

[lime cypress]

thats just a few of them

[obsidian violet]

but still cancer to play with him

[tacit python]

i did

[obsidian violet]

he is a really talented player

but its complete cancer having him on your team

cause its turns game into fiesta

[tacit python]

people say "inting and getting lucky with team" well there are a million bronze out there inting arent a single other one lucky enough?

[proud pulsar]

Please tell me why all of them your still diamond

[tacit python]

true but when you have sion kinda like

[scenic pulsar]

kr is still the best

[lime cypress]

AD sion is finally nerfed tho

[tacit python]

you need to be playing about him

around

not doing your stuff

[hybrid kelp]

ur gold, u cant be talking "why are they still diamond" 💀

barely gold too

[hybrid kelp]

ehh

[scenic pulsar]

China is more fun, but KR is still harder

Depending on your definition of fun

[proud pulsar]

Lmfao

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar because in master they decay,,, u have to play everyday to bank games

so no point having a bunch of smurfs in masters

since they decay

[obsidian violet]

@tacit python well exactly why would i want

to not have fun all game cause bausfs inting between turrets

[lime cypress]

i just let them decay back to d1

[obsidian violet]

and i have to adjust my playstyle for this guy

[proud pulsar]

So wtf are you making multiple account to hit diamond only ti do nothing with them

[obsidian violet]

i would rather take the -3 for dodge or -15 for open and not waste my time playing aids game

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar i play with friends on them

practise different champs

boost people

[tacit python]

sell them

[lime cypress]

i boost on them mostly

[lime cypress]

selling accounts is bad, boosting is better

[tacit python]

why are we even trying to improve

[lime cypress]

u can get scammed selling, masters accounts only worth like 120$ anyway

[obsidian violet]

@lime cypress duoq boosting pays good this season ? i heard its rly bad compared to s9-10 payouts cause too many boosters

[tacit python]

just get to iron 4 and sell the account

[lime cypress]

i have a few private clients i do it for

[tacit python]

more expensive than a diamond sometimes masters accounts

[lime cypress]

its better private boosting

[obsidian violet]

well that is like not worth time

takes way too long to get to iron 4

and in that elo u can go 0/50 and still win

[lime cypress]

nah iron 4 accs go for like 20$ now

[obsidian violet]

and then u win get like + 40 lp

and u lose like 5

and thats 8 games of progress goen

[hybrid kelp]

werent iron accounts selling for like 200 at one point

[obsidian violet]

ur better off going to work in mcdonalds for one day if ur that desperate for cash

[lime cypress]

@hybrid kelp yes before bots started doing it

[tacit python]

how

[weary pasture]

In modern game tanks need some threat outside of just cc to be scary. And yes some tank champions should beat a marksman or mage they can manage to stick to. it's far to unreasonable to assume they're completely defenseless since they have gold and resources put into them to get this durability/levels for their BASE damage

[lime cypress]

becuase the bots derank them now

so its cheap

[tacit python]

what if its handleveled

[lime cypress]

when they were expensive it was some like turkish guy deranking them

[lime cypress]

then like 50$

[tacit python]

good enough

[lime cypress]

handlvl acc fresh is like 25$

but deranking is so unfun, its hard to lose when u get below silver

without getting banned

[tacit python]

getting good isnt fun either

why not just quit

[lime cypress]

why is it not fun

[tacit python]

play lostark better money for less work

[tacit python]

i dont know just harder than it sounds

[lime cypress]

lostark dead now after update ruined grind

[tacit python]

theres something that challenger person does and i dont which keeps me gold and ill never know

what now

[hybrid kelp]

i just buy my accs for 2$ lol

[lime cypress]

there botted

1 ticket

ur banned

no point

or cracked account

and u get 1 ticket

locked account

all it takes is 1 ticket

[tacit python]

if its from websites

you can sue the person

even their face is on the website

[lime cypress]

what

[tacit python]

to be able to sell one product

[lime cypress]

?_?

[tacit python]

in the website i use

you need a picture of your id

and stuff

to start selling

[lime cypress]

they just refund ur purchase

lol

if they get banned

[tacit python]

whats the point then you can buy more

[weary pasture]

not like its hard to make an account

[lime cypress]

huh

[tacit python]

not like its easy to get to lvl 30

[weary pasture]

it's very easy.

[tacit python]

a month of playtime

or something

in boring lvl 10 queue

[weary pasture]

also this place probably isnt the place to discuss buying/selling accounts.

[lime cypress]

its not a month

[hybrid kelp]

its very easy lmao

[lime cypress]

u can do it in 4days

2x XP boosts

10hrs a day

[hybrid kelp]

with a boost its 100 games

[lime cypress]

4days lvl 30

[hybrid kelp]

co op vs ai

[tacit python]

i cant buy boosts

[lime cypress]

its better to just buy handlvl acc rather than waste time

lvling lol

[tacit python]

yh

[scenic pulsar]

10 hours a day lmfao

Not all of us has that time

[lime cypress]

exactly

[tacit python]

theres a system

[lime cypress]

thats why i havent handlvl an account since 2016

[tacit python]

people give you x2 botted for one silver account

[lime cypress]

its better to just buy

[scenic pulsar]

I heard it takes around 250 normal games to get level 30

[tacit python]

and if you rank those 2 to silver you can get another 4 botted

[scenic pulsar]

It's just not worth it

[lime cypress]

but... why would u do that lmao

there like 2$ botted account

just buy them

[tacit python]

if you just keep getting them to silver on promos

[hybrid kelp]

its 100 co op vs ai with a boost

[tacit python]

thats infinite accounts

[lime cypress]

so???

[tacit python]

sell

get to a whatever rank leave blue essence then it makes more money

[lime cypress]

.... ? its like 4$ lol

[scenic pulsar]

If you are going to spend 5-10 dollars for a 3-7 day boost
you might as well have bought an account

[tacit python]

how much is a silver account

[obsidian violet]

@tacit python wait so ur saying u get a botted acc to silver 4, trade it in for 2 more botted accounts? and then play on the ones ur not trading in ?

[hybrid kelp]

yes i know

[lime cypress]

just get a real job if u want to make money from selling silver accounts lol

[hybrid kelp]

im just sayin, its 100 games of coop vs ai with a boost

[weary pasture]

trade off is you don't get banned.

[tacit python]

just get any account to silver and some people give you 2 botted accounts in exchange then you can get those 2 to silver to get another 4 and so on

[scenic pulsar]

Are hand leveled silver accounts more expensive than that?

[obsidian violet]

that is biggest waste of time i have ever heard of ? @tacit python i would rather go eat grass xD! where r u from albania ?

[tacit python]

no

[weary pasture]

most hand leveled accounts are (probably) more expensive since they have little to no chance of getting banned

[scenic pulsar]

Goddamn this is why I just play on my main

[lime cypress]

ye its earning like 4$ for 10hrs work @obsidian violet

even in albania u would earn more

from a troll job irl

[tacit python]

you earn less in here in 10 hours thats the thing

with about %170 inflation

[scenic pulsar]

I heard people boost just because they can't find a job doing something else
It's like a last resort job

[lime cypress]

get good and boost @tacit python

u can earn 50$ a day

[tacit python]

i wish

[lime cypress]

boosting

in high elo

[tacit python]

teach me

[lime cypress]

learn the game

[tacit python]

i tried honestly to boost as being gold xD

i made like 30$

just cuz people felt bad

[lime cypress]

focus on getting good then @tacit python

and u can earn 50$ daily from boosting

in diamond2+

[tacit python]

if i havent gotten through gold since 2018 what do you expect from me

[lime cypress]

well you have to improve

then

[tacit python]

how

[obsidian violet]

but r u stupid

[lime cypress]

by learning the game

only 1 way to improve is learning the game

[obsidian violet]

regular d4 to master boost not duoq is like 450 euros

booster lets say gets like

80/20 or 60/40 cut depending on quality and loyalty

and thats like

around 20 wins

max prob

with average mmr

and it was even higher older seasons

[lime cypress]

yeh its even more money at end of season

[tacit python]

first i need to be at that level

[obsidian violet]

boosting to anything below master is rly waste of time

well if ur not its just inefficient

u might as well

do like some copyrighting

freelancing

u will get more

[tacit python]

is it better for the job that i play jungle

specifically graves

[lime cypress]

jungle or mid best for boosting imo

[obsidian violet]

jungle mid best for boost indeed

[lavish verge]

Its becoming more popular i have seen irelia, elise, master yi

[scenic pulsar]

They can build it

But is it really that strong on them?

On Irelia, Shieldbow and Goredrinker is clearly more stronger and picked mroe often

On Elise , Nightharvestor and rocketbelt is the same

I would even say that tank Elise seems to sucks

As for Yi

It may look like the winrate is much higher on Sunfire than Kraken

But in reality, it's because the item is built 23 minutes into the game (while Kraken is built first)

Which is when Yi has scaled up

or is about to

So when Sunfire is built 2nd, Yi's winrate is about 53%

But 56% on Guinsoo and 54.5 on Bork when building Kraken

Both higher winrate than Sunfire

This the same for Sunfire third

Tho only by 1%

yet it can be argued that by then yi is going to be strong with any item

and does not really prove that Sunfire is better on Yi than kraken

Yone is the same case as Irelia and Elise

[lavish verge]

it is

[scenic pulsar]

Most data, points to it not being strong

[lavish verge]

Well usually they are one the winning team in the games i have seen

or played

[scenic pulsar]

Probably just unlucky

Generally outside of Diana

most point to Sunfire build not being stronger than the normal build

[weary pasture]

cant put to much into this but it's more like its just very frustrating to deal with which creates a bad feeling overall on the receiving end

the same issue crops up with ap fighters every now and then

for different reasons in one way or another

[tacit python]

to be honest any toplaner who falls behind at this moment just builds sunfire lol

[tepid sorrel]

some katarinas were doing it and it worked because it procc'ed with demonic

[tepid sorrel]

people like this are actually disgusting

this mindset is the worse mindset u can ever have like actually

[scenic pulsar]

Again evidence shows that it isn't broken or the dominant build

Sunfire doesn't need to be reworked

Most non tanks that take it, aren't finding more success than their most dominant builds

Outside of Diana

So if Riot are going to change anything, it should be Diana and not Sunfire

[tepid sorrel]

it doesnt

it has been nerfed since last season

and indirectly got buffed with the durability patch

[inner ferry]

what do you want them to do on Diana without destroying her entirely ?

[scenic pulsar]

Not sure, I'm not a balance expert

[rancid elbow]

if you wanna get rid of the sunfire build could probably just start by removing the bonus hp scaling and increasing the AP ratio on W shield

I thought it was a bit odd that sunfire is such a good mythic on Diana considering how well she does scale with AP but tried it out for myself and it feels super good

[lavish verge]

Tank items need to be reworked. The fact that the more armor you have the less reduction you will get is just bad design. Nowadays people just build sunfire and become as tanky as tanks that build mostly only tank items because the amount of reduction decreases.

[proud pulsar]

Not only that

Literally everyone has answers to tank with % dmg items or shredders.

Meanwhile tanks only have 1 answer to each.

Raduins/force of nature.

The only tanks that’s really meta atm is Orrn,malphite and rammus cause they can deal with everything cause of how hard they scale.

However they are and the rest of the tanks in the game are at the mercy of lord doms.

Broken item that 90% of adc’s will build And tanks can’t build into because of what the item is giving you.

Anyone that tells you it’s situational clearly don’t play tanks or bruiser.

And don’t experience 800+ autos at 2 items even with 200 armor

[opaque plinth]

when tanks can walk at adc and 1v1 them even when adc has ldr 🙂

[terse jackal]

everything that both of y'all just said was really dumb. The amount of damage reduction from armor is diminishing, but the effective health you gain from armor is not diminishing. Having only sunfire won't make you as tanky as people who build only tank items. That's just mathematically wrong. it's not bad design, its actually good design.

[terse jackal]

The literal counter to tanks is armor shred and percent health damage. If items like lord doms didnt exist then there'd be absolutely nothing adcs could do vs armor stacking. Also why r u mad tanks cant build lord doms? tanks are not bruisers or hyperscalers, that should be the absolute last item they should be building.

Ornn malphite rammus are good because of their utility, not bc how they scale. all three of those guys scale pretty poorly anyway. late game they get shredded.

[kindred veldt]

Tanks are supposed to provide cc and a meat shield to their team, not damage

[terse jackal]

exactly if your concern on a tank is having armor pen you suck ass at tanks

Formula to calculate damage reduction with armor (diminishing) https://imgur.com/a/V6CjoZU

Formula to calculate effective health with armor (not diminishing) https://imgur.com/a/TNt1eqV

courtesy of league fandom wiki https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Armor

[proud pulsar]

Yeah that simply isn’t happening

[opaque plinth]

has happened for a while now lol

[proud pulsar]

Yeah and I hate to break it too you. But mages and adc have multiple answers into tanks

[opaque plinth]

mages

[proud pulsar]

Then the adc is ffing dog

[opaque plinth]

do not have an ianswer into tanks but liandries

and adcs cannot contest tanks without 3+ items at least

[proud pulsar]

Your kidding right

[opaque plinth]

and if it's a juggernaut adc will never win

mages = lower consistent dmg

adcs = higher

adcs struggled still

but hey u know so much more on ur 12 games on botlane

[proud pulsar]

Mages: Lyandries/Void staff/demonic. Yeah I’m pretty sure they are good

[opaque plinth]

long cds...

[proud pulsar]

Long cooldowns ?!?!?!?

[opaque plinth]

an orianna or a viktor does nothing to a chogath

but hey u know more

[proud pulsar]

Nothing to cho gath except poke him from range with autos and abilities

Like your kidding right

No answers into immobile melee tanks

[opaque plinth]

ori and viktor will go ooms

cho has a very good passive for early

...

[terse jackal]

but whats your point, tanks are supposed to soak damage and provide utility

[inner ferry]

idk how can adc complain about tanks when they can just kite her infinitly

most of the time if you can 1vs1 by a tank as an adc you are just miss pose

[deft glacier]

Revert Sunfire to proc on goddamn CC and not autoattacks
Buff Thornmail Grievous Passive to proc on NEARBY SLOWS
Fucking buff Deadman Stats jesus christ that item has shit gold efficiency
Revert Abyssal Mask, the best MR item known to mankind
Revert Randuins Omen

[terse jackal]

if sunfire only got stacks on stuns instead of aa it would be gutted and useless

[deft glacier]

not really

[terse jackal]

yeah man nobody would use it

[deft glacier]

ur delusional

ornn would abuse that item

why do you thyink they are nerfing sunfire damage?

do tell me

[inner ferry]

for diana

[terse jackal]

So you're balancing the tank items around letting ornn abuse them. OK.

[deft glacier]

yes

[deft glacier]

Is diana a fucking tank?

[inner ferry]

and other assassins making it

[deft glacier]

NO

is yone a tank?

NO

do you see

an item made for tanks

abused by autoattackers

certified dumbass riot moment

[stuck ice]

Sometimes 🤓

[deft glacier]

even i am abusing diana tnak

im not gonna lie

[inner ferry]

but I think riot want that tanky champion even without cc are able to make sunfire

[deft glacier]

ornn, sejuani, amumu, zac

legit tanks

not this diana bullshit

[deft glacier]

i do think that they have thought of that

but then

why the fuck does thornmail not proc on slows then?

[stuck ice]

Don’t all tanks have CC?(nvm mundo doesn’t have, just reminded)

[deft glacier]

mundo can never proc that item increased grievous

[stuck ice]

Isn’t that what they are known for

[inner ferry]

maybe tank but not "tanky" champ

[deft glacier]

Just make sunfire proc on NEARBY slows and NEARBY CC

not proc on autoattack bullshit

[inner ferry]

maybe next patch will be enough

[deft glacier]

people will still build tank diana

i was building agurins tank diana build even before he did

no nashor, just pure health+ resistance sunfire +demonic tech

they made fimbulwinter work for tanks

why dont they make sunfire and thorn too

[stuck ice]

Thank god you weren’t in my game

[deft glacier]

and why is that

[stuck ice]

Sounds awful

[deft glacier]

umh yeah...

surely

clueless

https://imgur.com/a/fsNxDoH

surely

cough cough

7k size pool platinum plus 58% winrate

[stuck ice]

Nothing wrong here 🤡

[deft glacier]

damn what a shit fucking build

ty riot games

fuckign dumbass sunfire proccing on autoattacks

200 years of developing experience

[inner ferry]

202*

[deft glacier]

damn mb

[terse jackal]

So you are ok making the item extraordinarily niche and useless for everyone except a couple champs

its fine to recognize its too strong on diana but your proposed change sucks and it would ruin the item

[deft glacier]

sucks?

[terse jackal]

yeah your change is fucking garbage

[deft glacier]

you would find many people that are ranting about sunfire

omy fucking god

[terse jackal]

im saying your change sucks

[deft glacier]

im saying u dont have any idea

on why sunfire is fucking hated

u just accept it as it is

while i want it to be an item for TANKS

a TANK item

for TANKS

not for DIANA

[opaque plinth]

sunfire is broken

this is known

[deft glacier]

+1

[opaque plinth]

riot is nerfing it for a reaosn but their nerf isn't even about the broken part

[terse jackal]

i know sunfire is busted op on diana, all im saying is that your proposed changes to the item suck

[opaque plinth]

it's a fucking tank nashors

[deft glacier]

oh really

what about yours

[terse jackal]

yeah

[deft glacier]

do tell

;)

propose a better idea

surely

[opaque plinth]

remove the nashors portion of it

and it's fine

should only be burn

[deft glacier]

that would be fine too

a stacking sunfire aura damage

that doesnt proc on autoattacks

that would be good for the general champs on league

all you need to do is get closer to them

[terse jackal]

zzz it doesnt matter if i have a proposed change because it doesnt change the fact that your change to sunfire is fucking terrible

[deft glacier]

zzzz

it doesnt matter

[terse jackal]

"mines bad? oh yeah whats your change?" thats 1 brain cell backwards logic

[deft glacier]

aka " im lazyt as fuck and i dont knwo what im talking about so i will just say it doesnt matter"

[opaque plinth]

you do know the hwole broken thing on sunfire is the nashors right?

you're doing 40 dmg/sec in burn + 40 dmg on hit

[deft glacier]

yes

unless ur talking to rdm

[opaque plinth]

while also being tankier

don't forget

talknig to rdm ab that

[terse jackal]

well if u genuinely believe that your change is good for the game then u can stay bad

[deft glacier]

you too then bruv

[terse jackal]

whatever u say

[deft glacier]

same for you

❤️

[terse jackal]

2 questions, you mean the thornmail passive that inflicts grievous wounds? you want that to apply on nearby slows? im confused what you mean. second whats the reverted randuins u were talking about

[deft glacier]

https://imgur.com/a/Trv1Wrp

this one

https://imgur.com/a/co6GcXX

as you can see

the increased gievous on thornmail

ONLY procs on HARD CC

stuns,knockups,fears and shit

it doesnt proc on slows

therefore mundo can never proc the increased grievous

now the randuin one would be op if it was reverted

since it has way more stats than the old randu

i just added it in there since i missed building that item

but it would definitely be op yes

[proud pulsar]

When the game has too many answers into tanks and not to many answers for tanks to answer into dmg. Then tanks aren’t playable which is why atm tanks feel very bad

[terse jackal]

so your point is that damage is too high

[proud pulsar]

Dmg isn’t too high the game just has too many answers into tanks

[deft glacier]

ldr,bork,kraken,blackcleaver, divine blunderer, voidstaff

[terse jackal]

but thats how the game should be designed, you should be shredded late game by adcs no matter how much armor you have. I think thats balanced

Win the game earlier imo. they are hyper scalers for a reason

[proud pulsar]

Lyandries/demonic/grudge

[proud pulsar]

Yes I agree by this, but their is a sence in adc’s doing to much dmg to tanks

[deft glacier]

demonic is nerfed on ranged luckily

[proud pulsar]

And they are still building it

[deft glacier]

well on brand

its gigasynergy

[proud pulsar]

“Swain” “Brand” “Malz”

[deft glacier]

yeah

consistent dps proccers

[proud pulsar]

Yeah they never have issues with tanks cause lyandries demonic combo has been disgusting since S11

Even into non tanks the burn does so much

[deft glacier]

i hate divine especially

if a fed toplaner builsd that

its just impossible to gank

its literally impossible

[proud pulsar]

It’s not as Abusable as it used to be

[deft glacier]

you can never 2v1 a blunderer fuck

[proud pulsar]

With the recent change

If you don’t have high base Ad it’s not as effective

[deft glacier]

well

the one i was ganking was illaoi

so it was super effective on her

[proud pulsar]

Well that’s illaois that’s what she’s always been good at

[deft glacier]

eya

ganking her is a pain in the ass

[proud pulsar]

Divine is just improving it

As well as gore drinker

[terse jackal]

i imagine this would be turbo busted imo and its not the stats that are the issue its the item passives. A huge slow with a big range over a significant time frame, plus you take less crit damage and anyone who attacks you gets attack speed debuff

[deft glacier]

yeayea ik i said that lready

twice at that too

[terse jackal]

yeah but thats not really a healthy item

having permanent -20% crit damage + attack speed debuff when attacked is really good. On top of that the slow active is really good

[deft glacier]

the only reason randuins was good and not broken before the item rework was because crit was 200% not 175%

so implementing the old randuins now would make it a very OP item

thats why i pulled back on it by saying its op

[proud pulsar]

Mundo/Nasus/Morde

[terse jackal]

ok so idk why you suggested it if its blatantly op

[deft glacier]

baasically yes

[deft glacier]

nostalgia ig

mb on that one

[proud pulsar]

It’s not permanent it’s only 4 seconds which is nothing

[terse jackal]

im not sure about this change i understand it now but there could be some serious unintended ramifications, not blatantly op but maybe something id have to think over more thoroughly

[terse jackal]

wdym the slow is 2 seconds and it cuts ms in half with a big range

[deft glacier]

trust me with grievous being 40% there wont be

[deft glacier]

well if you want to compare thornmail grievous to othergrievous items

do you know how manyy attacks iyou need to proc increased grievous on adc griev item?
the mortal reminder one

[proud pulsar]

2

It’s incredibly easy to proc

They have the easiest one to proc

[deft glacier]

yes

precisely

2 fucking autoattacks

for the INCREASED grievous

and what do you need to proc thornmail increased grievous?

CC

[proud pulsar]

Hard CC

[deft glacier]

;)

pretty damn easy explanation

[proud pulsar]

Slows or displacements don’t work

[deft glacier]

if i do say so myself

so thorn having 40% increased on slows

wont do absolutely nothing

and wont break the game at all

[proud pulsar]

Yet adc’s will still cry when tanks 1v1 them when they have 4 items

[deft glacier]

welp

rdm left the discussion

rip bozo

[proud pulsar]

As they have been for years

[deft glacier]

and i didnt even talk about

thornmail gold efficiency

because the thorn passive is way too good

that idc if thorn is an inefficient item

https://imgur.com/a/pA5EttZ

https://imgur.com/a/YtVI0Gm

https://imgur.com/a/q6ybB9f

https://imgur.com/a/KGl9kUw

there we go

hopefully

people reading this will get it

just make fucking thorn proc increased grievous on nearby ability slows :)

[proud pulsar]

Honestly after thornails recent buff I say it’s fine atm. Absolutely nuts on malphite rammus

[deft glacier]

2 outliers that have insane armor gain

thats why im not proposing any stat buffs

only grievous qol buff

[proud pulsar]

Yeah thornail is fine and doesn’t need changes. Asside maybe allow tanks and jugs that don’t have hard CC to be able to use it.

However: Omen could use a rework/add a tank item that counters % armor penetration/and a item that reduces true dmg.

[lime cypress]

+1 tank items are broken

have been for a long time

hence the appearance of 'tank' diana

where she builds 1 tank item, becomes super hard to kill yet has ability to 1v1 most squishy people

dumb af, needed a nerf for a long time

[proud pulsar]

Hence the appearance of the item on Diana that never should’ve happened

[lime cypress]

yep that was what i was typing, dumb af

i have cried about tank items for so long

[proud pulsar]

No I mean she never should’ve been building it in the first place even now

[lime cypress]

only now people are realising how actually OP they are

and are building them on champions that werent designed for

[lime cypress]

?

what

[proud pulsar]

How op they are your kidding right

[lime cypress]

its broken af?

[proud pulsar]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[lime cypress]

how arent they?

[proud pulsar]

Dude by the end of the game. Sunfire would be 1/3 of the Diana total dmg

[lime cypress]

gives amazing stats, survivability + giving a good amount of damage

[proud pulsar]

For tanks not ap assasins

[lime cypress]

damage isnt that important? when u have baseline damage + it gives amazing survivability

[proud pulsar]

Dude just build the mage items that are meant to keep you alive

[lime cypress]

and i know from ur discord username ur bad + lack of understanding of the game, so no point arguing with u

[proud pulsar]

Sunfire is not a alternative

[proud pulsar]

Bad lack of understanding of the game. Your arguing with a guy who’s mained tanks for years

[lime cypress]

you dont understand the game

[proud pulsar]

Who’s literally screaming this item is terrible on Diana

[lime cypress]

Ranked Solo
Gold 4
40 LP / 553W 535L
Win Rate 51%
Veigar's Villains

yes

[proud pulsar]

I don’t understand the game. Ok genius tell me how sunfires dmg works

[lime cypress]

u deffo have good understanding of the game

[proud pulsar]

Tell me how sunfires dmg works

[lime cypress]

the dmg isnt what makes its 'op' on diana

everything makes it good

[proud pulsar]

Oh it’s not the dmg

Then tell me what is?

30 armor 30 mr 10 ability haste and tenacity

So you don’t care about the immolate passive

If that’s what I hearing from you

[lime cypress]

this is very useful on champions such as diana

[proud pulsar]

And if you don’t care about the passive I’m going to tell you a item that does this 10x better

[lime cypress]

plus the passive is very good

[proud pulsar]

Yet you claim she doesn’t care about it

[lime cypress]

you dont understand the game im sorry

[proud pulsar]

When literally your building sunfire for this reason

[lime cypress]

1000games gold 4 and saying diana + sunfire isnt op

u dont understand the game

[proud pulsar]

Coming from a tank main yes

[lime cypress]

ok ? what does that mean?

so what if u main something

xd

[proud pulsar]

Tanks know the item more then the people building it on ffing diana

[lime cypress]

ye for sure gold 4 1000games

big understanding of the game !

[proud pulsar]

1000 games I wonder what that means oh yeah I’ve been playing and learning the game for while

[lime cypress]

so why gold 4 forever after 1000games

[proud pulsar]

And I honestly I don’t care about my rank at this point cause my MMR is ff’d I’m just trying to get better

[lime cypress]

so why 51% wr gold 4

[proud pulsar]

And I’m happy I never came up with this ape shit build

[lime cypress]

probs bc low elo doesnt know whats good

until its very 'meta'

[proud pulsar]

Doesn’t know what’s good till it’s meta

Kid look at my main champion where I’m playing it

[hybrid kelp]

being 1k games stuck isnt a good sign of learning

[lime cypress]

^

[proud pulsar]

Can’t wait for people to realize oh wait this is broken

[hybrid kelp]

cause clearly ur not learning anything

[proud pulsar]

Sion jungle main for 3 season’s 60+ wr each season

[hybrid kelp]

shows especially with ur dogshit takes here

[proud pulsar]

Yeah not learning

[lime cypress]

and........??????????

[hybrid kelp]

ok? still 1k games in gold 💀

[proud pulsar]

Can’t wait for people to realise Sion jungle is turbo broken

Cause nobody is doing it

[lime cypress]

ur gold 4?

high elo determines if something is truely broken lol

not silver/gold elo dude

[proud pulsar]

And what are you challenger

[hybrid kelp]

1. sion jungle has been done before
2. ur playing it in gold, anything works in gold

[proud pulsar]

G I wonder who started sunfire tank Diana

[lime cypress]

not atm , but i peaked 700lp 1 month ago

euw

[proud pulsar]

What rank?

[hybrid kelp]

idk man but certainly wasnt u

[lime cypress]

700lp

?

[hybrid kelp]

isnt that gm/chall

[proud pulsar]

I don’t know what 700 lp ffing means

[lime cypress]

EUW its GM

[hybrid kelp]

its in between gm/chall, or gm/masters

[proud pulsar]

Gm that’s a new one

[hybrid kelp]

ye

[lime cypress]

cos u dont understand game i guess

[proud pulsar]

I don’t understand the game cause I never seen this ranking points

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[lime cypress]

not just that

but other stuff u say

xd

[proud pulsar]

Oh not just that’s keep going

Other stuff like what

Please tell me I’d like to know

[hybrid kelp]

i dont understand why ur so argumentative 😭 some of the shit you say is so out of whack

there are players that are 10x better and u refuse to listen

[lime cypress]

its just low elo delusional player

[proud pulsar]

Please tell me

[proud pulsar]

Tell me what I’m wrong about

[lime cypress]

i wont

[hybrid kelp]

yeah i know

😭

with this mentality, its plat max

[proud pulsar]

Refuses to give a explanation

Of course

His only response is your bad

Sounds like a GM players

😅😅

[hybrid kelp]

but then u take it down bc they play literally every champ in the game for some reason 💀

[lime cypress]

after 1000games in 7months, if u dont understand the basics of the game, and you are arguing with better players, then you are hopeless sir

[proud pulsar]

Pleas link you account I want too see this

[lime cypress]

learn the basics

of the game

[hybrid kelp]

should also mention, they had 1.5k games in silver 2 last season @lime cypress

[proud pulsar]

Learn the basics. 70+ wr on a champion I was mained for 3 seasons isn’t enough

[hybrid kelp]

so its actually 2.6-7k games

[proud pulsar]

Yeah and this guy can’t play other champs but ffing vlad

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar TaIented Feeder

[tepid sorrel]

what are yall arguing about

[proud pulsar]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[lime cypress]

yet still g4

[hybrid kelp]

i can def play other champs than vlad, but id rather not choose someone im not as confident with when i can choose vlad who i know like the back of my hand 😭

[proud pulsar]

Just people arguing with a tank main. About sunfire Diana being dog shit cause it is

[hybrid kelp]

OH IS THAT WHAT THIS IS

[lime cypress]

clearly big lack of understanding of the game if stuck g4 after 1k games

[hybrid kelp]

HAHAHAHAH WTF

[lime cypress]

lol

[tepid sorrel]

sunfire diana is dog shit

[hybrid kelp]

SUNFIRE DIANA ISNT DOGSHIT 💀 THERES NO WAY

NAH

[lime cypress]

🤡

[proud pulsar]

THANK YOU

[tepid sorrel]

what do u wanna survive

for

ur the damage

[proud pulsar]

Tired of listening to ffing apes that don’t play tanks

[tepid sorrel]

its like going tryndamere tank it's just showing how little micro u got

[hybrid kelp]

if sunfire diana is dogshit

why is almost every single pro running it?

[lime cypress]

so many gold - players,,,,,,,,,,

[tepid sorrel]

because they are pros

[proud pulsar]

Played are ffing bad learning against it

[tepid sorrel]

their micro isnt shit

[hybrid kelp]

big mix of ap/sunfire here

[tepid sorrel]

most of league of legends matches are low elo

[proud pulsar]

I don’t care what the results are

[tepid sorrel]

and low elo make it dog shit

[proud pulsar]

Exactly

[tepid sorrel]

people seem to forget a lot of components when talking about league

[lime cypress]

hes troll you,,,,,,,,,,,

[tepid sorrel]

saying he needs to learn the basics of the game when u dont even know him is the dogshit

[proud pulsar]

Meanwhile the full tank Sion main is telling this kid who thinks sunfire Diana is good. Not for the passive but just the stats is reason why she’s building it

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[lime cypress]

i checked his profile, 1k games g4

and the stuff he says

proves enough for me

[proud pulsar]

Yeah that the guy who mains tanks is wrong about the tank mythic he spams on tanks

[tepid sorrel]

Whatever mate u do u

[lime cypress]

?_? just bc u main something doesnt mean u understand it

[hybrid kelp]

u dont even main anything to begin with tf r u on

[proud pulsar]

60-70+ winrate across multiple seasons

I don’t understand it

[lime cypress]

yet g4?

go play more?

[tepid sorrel]

Ur not wrong but not right aswell

[hybrid kelp]

u CANNOT consider urself a main when u literally have 70 games on him out of 1k

[proud pulsar]

Look at my last season

[tepid sorrel]

but it means ur god damn experienced with the champion

[hybrid kelp]

its the same shit

[tepid sorrel]

specially if ur wr is good like mine

[proud pulsar]

I’ve played Sion less this season cause he’s been falling off

[lime cypress]

but that doesnt mean anything lol

[tepid sorrel]

it does

[lime cypress]

how does it

[tepid sorrel]

it means he brings more to the table in a real match

[hybrid kelp]

https://gyazo.com/cf915c9aaea0819ae15dffee91536ace

sunfire is in highest win rate build as well

[lime cypress]

gold 4 otp saying he understands his champion ? is that true? no ofc not xd

[tepid sorrel]

instead of dying needlessly in a moment he might survive because of one mechanic

cuz he mains the champion

[lime cypress]

ok i main twitch ? but i am better at yone

[hybrid kelp]

https://gyazo.com/8ffcef297826c0f980f64b104ad9b8c3

its the same thing with gold

[tepid sorrel]

whay about it

[hybrid kelp]

highest wr build as well

[lime cypress]

maining a champion doesnt mean anything lol

[tepid sorrel]

main yone then

It does lol unless ur bad at the game

[lime cypress]

u can main sion but be a g4 1k games player

[tepid sorrel]

like actually bad

[hybrid kelp]

the thing is, they dont main any champ

[tepid sorrel]

So what

[lime cypress]

yet ur understanding of sion + game is still very bad

[proud pulsar]

Yeah notice the higher winrate in gold compared to diamond

[tepid sorrel]

automatically means ur bad?

[proud pulsar]

In his logic yes

[tepid sorrel]

U need to evaluate each case u cant just generalise

[hybrid kelp]

so this is just wrong? @proud pulsar

[lime cypress]

lack of understanding

[proud pulsar]

That’s his answer every time

[lime cypress]

yes you can in general ?

[tepid sorrel]

No it doesnt automatically means its lack of understanding

generalising is being ignorant

[lime cypress]

ofc it does

[proud pulsar]

People who actually learn against it. Will never have a issue with it

Go look at my last game literally played the exact match up as Sion and I dunked on this kid

[lime cypress]

if he is playing to win

[tepid sorrel]

THERE U GO

[lime cypress]

and after 1k games is stuck g4

[tepid sorrel]

we finally not generalising

[lime cypress]

then he that rank ?

[tepid sorrel]

we're entering hypothesis

[hybrid kelp]

u said the same shit about volibear when voli literally had 0 counters and was completely broken lol

[tepid sorrel]

So if he's playing to win

[lime cypress]

and if he is not playing to win, how does anyone know? we dont? so we will assume he is playing to win otherwise

[tepid sorrel]

and he keeps losing then yes correct he doesnt have enough understanding

but if he plays just for fun there's the reason why he has only 1K games

[proud pulsar]

Yet riot nerfed half his kit twice and people are still crying about him

[tepid sorrel]

not necessarily because he lacks understanding

[hybrid kelp]

because hes still good???????

[lime cypress]

you dont understand game + probs low diamond or below player

[tepid sorrel]

he might just not care that much to tryhard

jesus this is the type of delusional riot is putting players like you into

the sooner you realise the better

[hybrid kelp]

voli literally could not be stopped when people were crying about him

[proud pulsar]

No because people just turned their brains off for when it comes to dealing with volibear

[hybrid kelp]

all the nerfs he got were deserved

because you literally could not learn to deal with voli

[tepid sorrel]

ranking system is a bullshit and it has been for years

[proud pulsar]

And they are still crying he’s broken

[tepid sorrel]

the sooner u realise the better

[hybrid kelp]

he literally was unstoppable

[lime cypress]

nope, you are just copium

[hybrid kelp]

for a solid 2-3 patches lol

[tepid sorrel]

So what if u say that

[lime cypress]

ranking system is fine

[proud pulsar]

Here he goes again

[lime cypress]

u are just copium

[tepid sorrel]

doesn't invalidate what i just said

[lime cypress]

yes it does

[tepid sorrel]

ur copium for repeating copium

[hybrid kelp]

u cannot say a 53-54% wr champ for 2-3 patches is healthy

[tepid sorrel]

Ur a bot

literally

[lime cypress]

you think ranking system is bullshit? why is it bullshit?

[tepid sorrel]

Read it up instead of just repeating the word copium

[proud pulsar]

Fraxxer I want you to look at my last match where I played Sion into a Diana jungle. And look what happened into it

This is what someone does when they know how to deal with it

[lime cypress]

i guess all high elo player just lucky i gues,,,????????

🤡

[tepid sorrel]

u seem to focused to judge then understand each situation

[lime cypress]

i would not be my elo without understanding the game

[tepid sorrel]

God help these people cuz riot really fooled em

[proud pulsar]

Don’t listen to this guy

[tepid sorrel]

but hey as soon as u having fun u got nothing to lose

[proud pulsar]

Case in point

[hybrid kelp]

1 good game into something does not mean its weak, which is what you seem to think because apparently you base everything off of 1 game, but good job

[tepid sorrel]

like i said u do u my guy

opinions diverge and thats the way it works

[hybrid kelp]

am i saying sunfire diana is more broken than what the fuck voli was? no

sunfire diana is nowhere near that

[proud pulsar]

No I want you too see the difference between someone who knows what to do and someone who doesn’t

[hybrid kelp]

but is it still good and more optimal than proto? yes

[tepid sorrel]

Diana only needs sunfire if she's losing

[proud pulsar]

And I’m going to tell you better tank item option for Diana

That isn’t a mythic

[tepid sorrel]

in a fair game, people will still one shot her even if she's fed enough

[proud pulsar]

Gargoyles

[hybrid kelp]

the only reason u take sunfire on diana is bc of demonic

sunfire x demonic is insanely stupid atm

[tepid sorrel]

For mordekaiser

[hybrid kelp]

which is why u see champs like zac, shyv, and diana running it

[tepid sorrel]

not diana lol

[proud pulsar]

60 armor and Mr

Has a turbo shield that lasts for 4 seconds and resistance ms increase with enemies

[hybrid kelp]

no, in general

[tepid sorrel]

zac shyvanna amumu mordekaiser

yes im aware cuz they're originally tanks

[hybrid kelp]

morde still goes riftmaker i believe

[tepid sorrel]

unlikendiana

[hybrid kelp]

but can build sunfire

[proud pulsar]

No Morde shouldn’t build it

[tepid sorrel]

oh yeah right

forgot

ive done it tho and it was good

[proud pulsar]

Rift maker is his only mythic

[hybrid kelp]

it is good ye

[tepid sorrel]

Frostfire sucks

[hybrid kelp]

sunfire makes his passive dmg do a shit ton with demonic

[proud pulsar]

Yeah your griefing if you do this on him

[hybrid kelp]

but riftmaker is still best item for him just bc of how op healing is

[tepid sorrel]

then spirit visage and gg

[lime cypress]

@proud pulsar @tepid sorrel very bad understanding of the game !

[proud pulsar]

His passive makes tank mythics irrelevant on him

[tepid sorrel]

James very dumb!!

[proud pulsar]

James please stfu

[hybrid kelp]

https://gyazo.com/8528a1153ef134c43c3f1e9801256639

[tepid sorrel]

Get out of the conversation :)) james cmon

[hybrid kelp]

i mean, he has a 52+% wr on both frostfire and sunfire

[tepid sorrel]

doesnt matter

[hybrid kelp]

lower games but still

[proud pulsar]

Want me to tell his favorite item

Asside from rift maker?

[hybrid kelp]

if these items didnt work on him, then surely the wrs would be lower?

[proud pulsar]

Rylais

Why would I ever build frost fire

If I’m going to build rylais

[tepid sorrel]

bro im telling u mordekaiser jungle is insane but its like any other low elo game, its a coinflip cuz there will be atleast 2 lanes who will feed the enemkes before u even get there

[hybrid kelp]

i dont think u understand what or how frostfire works

[tepid sorrel]

His clear is fast so more gold/sec so faster items

[hybrid kelp]

its v good

[lime cypress]

@tepid sorrel arent you bronze 1?

[hybrid kelp]

esp when u run ghost

[proud pulsar]

Don’t understand how it works

I know how it works

[tepid sorrel]

People rush riftmaker first item

[proud pulsar]

I’m saying why would I build it

[hybrid kelp]

tell me what it does then

[tepid sorrel]

but that item that costs 2.6K is way better

[proud pulsar]

If I’m just going to build rylais

[hybrid kelp]

tell me what it does

[tepid sorrel]

2.6K item that slows

[lime cypress]

why do people who dont understand the game even pretend to understand it,,,,,,,,,,,

[proud pulsar]

Case in point

Why would I build frost fire, when I’m just going to build rylais a item that is broken on him

[tepid sorrel]

not frostfire

that one item singed uses

2.6K, cheap, has ap and slows enemies

[proud pulsar]

Frost fire is just for tanks that just want to layer CC

And tank a lot of dmg

[hybrid kelp]

tell me how an item that allows morde to deal extra bonus health magic dmg wouldnt be broken on him lol

[lime cypress]

@tepid sorrel ur are bronze 1 dude,,,,,,,,,,

[proud pulsar]

Why would I take magic dmg over true dmg

That is also healing me

[lime cypress]

very bad understanding of the game

[hybrid kelp]

rylais... doesnt deal true damage...

[tepid sorrel]

jamea the type of player to type in all chat 24/7

[proud pulsar]

Rift maker does

[tepid sorrel]

james the type of player to say ggez in the end of the game when he beat u against a 2 afk in ur team

[lime cypress]

i almost never type in allchat, apart from when talking to my friends

[hybrid kelp]

ok... but i literally never said riftmaker is bad or take frostfire/sunfire over riftmaker lol

[tepid sorrel]

james the type of dude to type "?" after the enemy does the most little mistake

[hybrid kelp]

im saying sunfire/frostfire are options that CAN and DO work on morde

[proud pulsar]

Fraxxer are you building rylais on Morde?

[tepid sorrel]

not optimal thats all

[proud pulsar]

The item literally makes getting away from him impossible

[tepid sorrel]

talking by experience

[hybrid kelp]

both are situational, sunfire not so much considering its giga broken rn

[proud pulsar]

Fraxxer why would I ever build them if I’m building rylais

[tepid sorrel]

nor as broken as before

[hybrid kelp]

read up on what frostfire does and youll understand

[lime cypress]

@hybrid kelp mate u may aswell stop trying to make them understand POV

they are bad + delusional

[proud pulsar]

Read it I know what it does. Tell me why I would build it when I’m building rylais

[hybrid kelp]

yes i know, ive spent multiple days trying to explain stuff to @proud pulsar about vlad

refused to listen

[lime cypress]

very bad understanding of the game

[proud pulsar]

And I’m telling you Morde builds rylais 100% of his games

[hybrid kelp]

im not saying he doesnt?????????????

nowhere have i said "morde doesnt build rylais"

[proud pulsar]

Then why would I ever build frost fire

[tepid sorrel]

RYALAI'S thats rhe name

[hybrid kelp]

https://gyazo.com/0a5c7338cd3be1bf180c761caf1f5539

read.

[tepid sorrel]

Thats what im talking about

Bro let me show u his build

[lime cypress]

Rylai's Crystal Sceptere isnt even that important on morde lol

u dont need that

[proud pulsar]

Rift maker/rylais/hourglass/spirit/last is your preference

[proud pulsar]

Yeah the item he builds 100% of his games

Please stfu

[lime cypress]

he does not ? if enemy if full ad u dont need too

[tepid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646974797577977856/999857043458502746/unknown.png

[lime cypress]

morde is versatile

[proud pulsar]

The item that makes all of your abilities slow people

[tepid sorrel]

here

[proud pulsar]

He doesn’t need it

[proud pulsar]

Yep pretty much

[lime cypress]

holy shit iron 4 / bronze 1 !!!!!!!!!

[tepid sorrel]

😂

[proud pulsar]

Just block this ape

[tepid sorrel]

nah

let him keep talking

barking like the dogs who say ggez in the end of game when i have 2 afks who fed the enemy before going afk and struggled to end the game

[lime cypress]

this is one of the biggest reasons people are stuck low elo, because they refuse to accept that they are the reason for being the rank they are

they dont even try to understand the game !

[tepid sorrel]

xD

[proud pulsar]

XD

[tepid sorrel]

i could make a new account and climb myself out of the rank my account is in

[proud pulsar]

Saying Morde doesn’t build rylais

[tepid sorrel]

i lose more LP than I gain yet my win rate is positive

[lime cypress]

copium no u c ant

[proud pulsar]

Bruh if your building tank mythics and then building rylais your actually griefing

[tepid sorrel]

how do u climb then

tell me

[lime cypress]

let me guess ur main account = doomed by riot personally they hate u

[tepid sorrel]

personally?

[lime cypress]

i guess if u make new account u will be challenger,,,,,,,,,

[tepid sorrel]

challenger?

no

im humble enough to say

[proud pulsar]

Kid thinks he’s too 500 NA

[tepid sorrel]

i wouldnt be bronze 1

that's all

[scenic pulsar]

Mundo is going to be sad

[tepid sorrel]

i would be silver/gold

[lime cypress]

then ur mmr is bad.......? fix ur mmr?

[tepid sorrel]

thats what my play level is at rn

not saying i should even be in plat

[scenic pulsar]

What's your opgg

[proud pulsar]

Yeah wait a year for rank reset

[tepid sorrel]

Enjeru03

[lime cypress]

so why talk like u understand the game

[tepid sorrel]

EUW

[tepid sorrel]

not talking like im perfect

ur just pressed

[lime cypress]

but u dont understand the game at all ??