which champ deserves nerfs the most?

[delicate lintel]

Nerf Ryze, R̵͆̂y̸͗̊z̵̈̏e̶͐̑ ̸̈́̽i̵̒͝s̵̑̾ ̷̐͛r̵̊̔e̸̎̎a̴̔̊l̸̉̏,̸̈́̈́ ̶͋̓E̵̓̈́Q̶̆͌Ė̶͝Q̸̏̚E̵͆͊Q̵̊͘E̷͒͝Q̸̇̀

[glass smelt]

How does zac have bad 1 vs 1s though

He has insane CC and a lot of damage just with bamis

U don't really need items with that champ

Literally jnust build bamis and full combo someone for 90% Of their hp

if it's pre-15 minutes they arent gonn have a lot of MR

and zac base damage is INSANE

its hilarious how people cope about that champ "he has bad early game" mf he doesn't

[flat moon]

A his abilities in a 1v1 have long cooldowns asside W.

B if the enemy knows what he does if they step on blobs they prevent him from reducing his W and they cut his healing since his abilities cost health and he is relient on picking up blobs

C his Q is useless in a 1v1 since it needs 2 targets for full affectiveness

And D Zac without items does no dmg he needs items other he’s one of the easiest champions to 1v1 in the game

Yes he does need items cause without items he very easy to deal with

So in a 1v1 he has 4 thing dmging himself the enemy/his q/his w/and his e

And even if he full combos someone it will not kill them and he will be sitting their autoing them since his abilites in a 1v1 sence have long cooldowns early which is what you don’t want

[flat moon]

Yeah this only happens if they are sitting their emoting for 20 seconds

[ivory quail]

can you stop with your theoretical-only answers/points? it doesnt work like that

[humble swan]

ofc Swain need to be nerfed

its too op rn

[zealous bluff]

yeh the guy is like silver 4 and typing like that

[flat moon]

And this guy does nothing but cry bad when he sees someone he doesn’t like

[zealous bluff]

its not i dont like you, the stuff u type is mostly bad advice

u think zac has bad 1v1

[flat moon]

And I’m explain why zac is a terrible champ in a 1v1 and your saying how I explain is bad bruh can you front read

[flat moon]

Cause he does

[zealous bluff]

he doesnt

[flat moon]

How would you know. You only play fffing adc’s

[zealous bluff]

no ? i play mid adc jungle

and i dont need to play something to understand it

that is like you were saying sunfire on diana is bad because your a 'tank main'

[craggy timber]

zac doesnt have bad 1v1s

i know this from experience because my friend is a zac otp

since we're gonna use mains and shit

[zealous bluff]

and his CC is so good its hard to escape so ur team will roam and help u kill

[flat moon]

Oh really, is zac trying to 1v1 a Viego/xin zao/wukong/jarvan in the current meta?

[zealous bluff]

but why would u want to 1v1 on zac,,

he isnt a dualist

[vapid cedar]

Fiora.

[quiet token]

Funny that you're saying this but think Sejuani can beat these champions 🤣

[vapid cedar]

sejuani can probably beat j4

[quiet token]

Yeah

[flat moon]

Sej doesn’t have abilities with health costs.

Point and click CC/and high max health magic dmg in the early game

[quiet token]

I can imagine her being okay in G4

You're right

[craggy timber]

acting like those abilities with health cost means jack shit

[quiet token]

I don't hate you bro but your takes are extremely versatile

[zealous bluff]

u regen ur health anyway if u pickup the blobs

[craggy timber]

his blobs heal him for way more than he loses

[flat moon]

Q: 8% current health

W: 4% current health

E: 4 % current health

[zealous bluff]

yes that isnt much.. ? @flat moon check healing lol

[vapid cedar]

i mean he's not wrong zac q is expensive to cast. but i dont think that's really an issue since you shouldnt be looking to fight enemy jungle champions that are kind of geared towards 1v1/duels anyway

[flat moon]

In the early game lvl 3 yes it is

[zealous bluff]

u heal

it back

[flat moon]

Only if you pick up blobs

[zealous bluff]

so pick them up

[flat moon]

If someone knows how to deal with zac they will just try to step in them

[craggy timber]

???? XD

[zealous bluff]

if someone knows how to deal with veigo, you will dodge his w q and ult

?_?

u can say that for any champion

[flat moon]

Wow like someone is going to die dodge every skill shot

[flat moon]

Zac blobs are placements he can’t control

[vapid cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345028286163714048/1000073173162795079/Screenshot_173.png
Here's zac's passive just to add to conversation

[craggy timber]

his blobs heal him a shit ton

[vapid cedar]

you actually lose out on healing from q if you dont have a secondary target nearby

[craggy timber]

also u do realize, majority of ppl dont understand u can step on the blobs to make them disappear

[vapid cedar]

and you manipulate where you want it to go in a pseudo sense since it tries to put it between you and the enemy. similar to poppy passive.

granted this probably doesnt really matter for jungling over someone feeling spicy and going into an off-role

[flat moon]

I’m the early game no they dont they are based on his bonus max health

[craggy timber]

who says zac is going for early game fights lol

he aint a duelist

[quiet token]

Zac is very vulnerable in first clear I believe

[vapid cedar]

depends on champ

[quiet token]

Yeah obviously

[vapid cedar]

i dont think a lot of invaders kill him quick enough through his passive (unless you're discovered by like kayn at 1/4 hp or something

or rek'sai.

[quiet token]

I think champions like Kindred or Graves could give him hard time to play

[vapid cedar]

plus efficient clear you should still come out 60-80% hp depending on good ability usage

[quiet token]

Yeah basically any invading Jungler is hard for him

[ivory quail]

i can read but you should read your own messages they dont make sense

[quiet token]

This

[ivory quail]

yeah thats the same as saying "do you think Yone jungle is good? try doing it against (insert hardcounter)"

its not about the meta per se its about his 1v1s in general

think about it

[flat moon]

Yep

And that’s what I’m pointing out here 5 of these people say I’m wrong.

Bruh these kids think tanks in their first clear always 100% health

[flat moon]

Wtf does this even ffing mean

[ivory quail]

he has better 1v1 power than certain champs but he isnt the top, bringing up the best of the best will of course make him look worse

[ivory quail]

what you are saying

[flat moon]

Yep they do they are his worst match ups

[ivory quail]

if that doesnt make sense so do your own words

[flat moon]

Not just any. All of them

His only saving grace is that he has his passive but this won’t save him at that state of the game. Especially if they have smite ready

[craggy timber]

@ivory quail its not worth ur time

[ivory quail]

its not i know

3rd thread poisoned

[craggy timber]

he cant realize that zac is broken af so

yep

[flat moon]

Wow all tanks are broken got it

[ivory quail]

again

[flat moon]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[craggy timber]

where did i ever say that

LMFAO

[ivory quail]

putting your own words in their mouth

[craggy timber]

annoying ass mf bro, i say 1 thing and u equate that to everything

[quiet token]

Jeez

[flat moon]

Zac broken af yeah case in point

Want me to tell you the only tank in the game. That’s really meta.

Orrn

All the others either get shitted on in early game. Or get shredded late game cause tank shredding items and champions are too strong.

Which is why very few of them are good atm

Durability patch was not a benefit for them it was actually worse for them. Cause they made carry’s harder to kill and enchanters which are running around the rift. Make them unkillable

[vapid cedar]

Ornn, Sejuani, Poppy?

Hello there's a few of them

[quiet token]

Sejuani is doing pretty well on Top

[flat moon]

Annoying af.

Yeah hearing diamond+ players crying tanks are broken when are too lazy to learn how to play against them when anti tanks shit is running around the rift

[fleet obsidian]

Darius morde

Just crazy

[flat moon]

Yeah those are the other few that are ok.

But Orrn is the king

[craggy timber]

💀 ok bro

stop pinging me

idc to talk to u

stay delusional

[flat moon]

Darius is not a tank.

If your building tank mythics items on Morde your trolling

[vapid cedar]

P. sure poppy Shen and sejuani are stronger than Ornn currently

[craggy timber]

they are

[vapid cedar]

Don't get me wrong Ornn is strong but i dont think he really functions in soloqueue as well as he once did.

[flat moon]

Shen gets shitted on buy the champions who are meta top and has been less reliable after his round of nerfs

[vapid cedar]

Who beats shen in your opinion then

[flat moon]

Once did what do you mean?

[vapid cedar]

The main two that would come to mind is Darius & Riven.

[flat moon]

Gangplank makes lane unplayable for shen

[wide grove]

tahm?

[quiet token]

GP beats Shen

[flat moon]

Shitted on by GP and Camille

And riot is buffing Gp next patch

[vapid cedar]

I dont think that's a hard lane for shen

[flat moon]

Oh you really must have never played it

I’ve played it both sides

It’s misserable for shen

Cause he can just poke you from range.

Barrels are not affected by his W

And if you try to fight him his passive will always win him trades

[vapid cedar]

I'm willing to wager any data site would agree with me as a stupid point.

But anyway what makes you think the lane is hard for shen?

Let's hear that first.

[flat moon]

Gp can just poke him out

Passive makes 1v1’s risky for shen

Gp is also a global champ

And barrels are not affected by W

And orange makes all in’s very difficult

Also next patch they are buffing GP again

[vapid cedar]

I want you to take a look at shen's kit. and try to tell me where any of this is coming from.

[flat moon]

So the lane is going to much worse

[vapid cedar]

Just do that for me real quick

If you need to I can post an image of shen's entire kit for you.

[flat moon]

I know what shen does I play him as well

Not that much atm after the round of nerf he received

[vapid cedar]

Do you really though?

[flat moon]

Yeah I do

But if you want a perfect counter pick into shen

Gp and Camille are your answers

[vapid cedar]

Funnily enough I think shen also beats camille.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345028286163714048/1000084783872888902/Screenshot_174.png
Here is shen's kit for you incase you need a touch-up on what he does.

Unless you're a vegetable I just don't see a world where gp can get through Spirit Refuge [W] And get away from taunt/ empowered Q slow.

[flat moon]

How?

[vapid cedar]

Same case as GP. he out-duels he early on and takes control of the lane.

she has a hard time fighting back thanks to W & his passive.

[flat moon]

You know his W is like a 20+ cooldown lvl 1 right?

[vapid cedar]

Gangplanks Remove Scurvy is just as long and camille likely wont want to fight for more than 1 rotation of q compared to shen Q.

and her E is like 18s or so.

Yes i'm aware of cooldowns :)

[flat moon]

Gp is only saving orange for shens E so he will always have it ready.

[vapid cedar]

what do you do about the Q slow then after the taunt?

[flat moon]

Camille can proc Q twice by the time shens W is up again

[vapid cedar]

you cant aa him for the MS from passive. you could sit on a barrel but he can just engage if you try to throw them at him

[flat moon]

How are slowing him if he’s out ranging you

Unless you somehow have the blade ready behind him.

You are not slowing him by any chance

[vapid cedar]

you do know you pass through units you taunt, right?

[flat moon]

Yeah it’s a dash I’m very aware of that.

I’m talking about his Q slow.

If you don’t land that your basically going to be at the mercy of his barrels cause he’s just going to zone you and poke you with Q for the rest of the lane

As for Camille yeah she has a hard time in lane early but the moment she gets sunderer Gg lane is won for her

By that time her Q is a 3 second cooldown.

[vapid cedar]

Shen would likely have Sunfire/frostfire whichever he chooses vs. cam. Also gp poke alone isnt strong enough to get through passive.

what you say can make sense in theory but isnt real in practice.

I urge you to try it for yourself sometime or watch some really high elo matchups of said champions.

[ivory quail]

youre using the worst fucking arguments 💀

worst case scenario against a best case

stop making it black/white

[craggy timber]

he wont

💀

[vapid cedar]

Real shen counters would be stuff that straight up out-muscle him like juggernauts or stuff that can easily kite him out.

Actually let me correct that

Shen's always struggled towards magic damage oriented bruiser/toplaners historically mostly

so maybe stuff like teemo, gragas, etc.

[flat moon]

Try it yourself some time.

Yet literally every time when I know my lane opponent is shen I insta lock Gp and make lane misserable for him

[flat moon]

How does he have a hard time against Gragas?

Oh wait I know

[vapid cedar]

Gragas doesnt rely on auto attacks and his E interupt's shens taunt. preventing him from getting empowered auto attacks from Q.

you can also out-sustain shen thanks to passive.

[flat moon]

Gragas can just throw his R to cancel the ult and E interrupts his dash

Don’t get me wrong shen is a lane bully depending who he goes against.

But shen can have some of the worst match ups in the game

Cough illaoi vs shen is unwinnable I don’t care what you say

[vapid cedar]

dodge e or dodge the game

[flat moon]

Yeah pretty much

Like I said the state with shen before. He’s only really good if you have someone your trying to be sure carrys the game. And you in a favorable match up.

Problem is many of shens good many ups aren’t being picked mostly other tanks. And a few bruisers/duelists.

Meanwhile Orrn is a tank that has no issue dealing with shen. Has way better scaling since the game becomes league of Orrn.

And the champions that are being played that are good into Orrn are also good into shen

And through out season 11 and a bit of 12. Shen was hit with multiple nerfs to his passive and his last one nerfed his Q dmg which is main dmg ability.

Meanwhile Orrn was in the broken state he’s been in for 2 seasons now. It took people a season to finally realize oh wait Orrns scaling cause of his items are ffing broken.

And he was one of the few champs that actually got better with the durability patch

Orrn himself isn’t broken. The amount of stats his items give you is broken.

And I have no idea how he fell under the radar for a entire season

When he’s been in this state for over a year

[flat moon]

Problem with handling Orrns balancing is. If you nerf his laning then people are going want to play him cause him being easier to deal with makes his late game transition harder to consistently do.

However if you need his late game. His items then you put the reward of hitting late game on him less worth it.

[modest bison]

gp beats shen in lane

camille should be going even with him and wins after mythic

[kind thunder]

i mean, champions like wukong, poppy, darius, fiora, aatrox, viktor, diana are all pretty nerf worthy imo with how amazingly consistently well they can perform into most comps and matchups, especially as some blind picks, voli is still pretty strong right now too

i think ornn needs a tuning but its hard to adjust him meaningfully without making his laning too weak

the most they could do is lower the slow on his q and reduce his base hp a bit maybe but idunno

[vagrant arrow]

gp can short trade her only

she e's him he insta w aa into q barrel (aa if you have passive)

if hes not on a barrel he's fucked

anything longer than this camille is able to get q2 off and win trade

[vale kelp]

i think yone, yasuo and camille q. also volibear has been dominating all the games ive been in

[empty mango]

me too they are annoyng

[pale carbon]

this isnt a champion, but red smite needs a nerf lol

[smoky shoal]

Volibear is the only champ i really hate rn but i can deal with everything

[eager folio]

fiddle probably going to get nerfed next patch after he got skin buffed and his wr Skyrocketed

[dusk merlin]

Shen is pretty strong now

[ivory quail]

Voli got nerfed he’s not as op as the last patch

[onyx egret]

most of enchanter are kinda op imo after anti heal nerf

but yeah Yone seems kinda strong but I think he got nerf next patch

all champion that can abuse life steal are just too strong actually

like red kayn with 1 item is just not kill-able

[vagrant arrow]

riot "we want to make champs not live by healing" nerf antiheal more than healing

make champs more durable so healing means more

[onyx egret]

yeah idk why they nerfed anti heal imo it was fine like it was before

[vale kelp]

soraka’s entire identity is healing tho

[vagrant arrow]

soraka went basically un nerfed too

[vale kelp]

soraka buffs

[vagrant arrow]

when she has been a problem for a while

[vale kelp]

well yeah she’s like yuumi, but u have to be careful about positioning

[vagrant arrow]

soraka is much stronger though

soraka herself is a hypercarry

[smoky shoal]

Just make him the way he used to be i liked him then he was balanced

[wide grove]

darius

hes been dominating the game the last few patches

[dire pike]

yone 49% winrate in plat+; yasuo 47,7% winrate plat+; camille 50,9% winrate plat+; so nothing mindblowing here
learning how to play against certain champs > irrationally screaming for nerfs

[ivory quail]

winrate isnt everything

[dire pike]

what else is? the frustration silver players, participating in this conversation, feel while playing against them?

[eager folio]

I mean camillie can do 1k true dmg late game

And with divine sunderer it’s percent max health true dmg

On like a 4 second cooldown

With like a 1400 range dash

[north stirrup]

Yone's Q cooldown reduction scales with lethal tempo

And it's not as strong as you think, it's pretty punishable if you use it wrongl

y

[quiet token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958469876392001546/998969707711438909/IMG_6319.png

yeah yasuo really needs nerfs

yup

[quiet token]

yes but it caps at 1.33 cd so past boots mythic and around lvl 12 lethal doesn’t reduce the q cd

[vale kelp]

akali never rlly had a win rate over 50% and yet she’s still broken lol

i feel like its a similar situation

[quiet token]

no akali isn’t broken

broken is qiyana rn with 55% wr

wr is a huge indicator of broken

[vale kelp]

winrate isnt everything

[quiet token]

it is coming to nerfs

[vale kelp]

yes its an indication but theres always some newbies who play them

who lower it

[quiet token]

a champ does not need nerfs if it’s sub 50

[quiet token]

and that gets sorted out by changing it to d2+ not all ranks

[vale kelp]

oh well

[quiet token]

but regardless in every rank yas is sub 50

[vale kelp]

yasuo still a pain in the ass to deal with

[quiet token]

then ur just shit it’s not the champ

[vale kelp]

thanks

[quiet token]

np

[vale kelp]

[quiet token]

oops wrong one

[vale kelp]

i played against a qiyana yesterday as ahri and i felt rlly worthless cuz she has so much fking damage

yeah she’s harder to play

but gosh

[quiet token]

https://twitter.com/seekerz_/status/1549097879930904576?s=21&t=Javr27bM8s4_EIFru0PKWQ

SeeKerZ (@SeeKerZ_)

Chill

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champ very balanced trust

[vale kelp]

her mains are going to complain whenever she gets nerfed

[quiet token]

but dw they aren’t nerfing her this patch

instead they are nerfing gnar 💀

[vale kelp]

gnar is literally the least of issues

nerf aurelion and buff irelia!

[quiet token]

hes around 50% wr and 8% pr and qiyana is 55% wr 5% pr and no nerf

[vale kelp]

i rarely see any gnars in my games,xd

8% or is pretty good

pr *

[dire pike]

good luck pulling that off, if it's that broken why aren't you hard stomping with camille? as if there weren't obstacles to overcome in order to reach a state in that you can pull such a thing off. you sound like hashinshin but budget version

[vagrant arrow]

camille takes an actual ammount of skill to pull off compared to yones which is the difference and camille is much more bursty than yone is where 90% of her dmg froms from her q2

[smoky shoal]

Mmm

Cammile is high skill

Drutt is insane on her

Yone isnt op

If he misses ult hes fucked

Literal only thing thats usefull about him late game

I could be playing something like aphelios and still kill him just cuz i sidesteped his ult

[river snow]

Janna Yuumi Vladimir

[smoky shoal]

Vladimir💀

Goofy ahh

I have never seen a janna in game

Yuumi isnt op

Shes braindead

Counter a yummi by not feeding aby enemies

[quiet token]

bro ability literally impossible to miss with that massive ass hitbox

[smoky shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-among-us-skill-issue-killer-bean-gif-24855216

[onyx egret]

yeah Yone ult so hard to hit lol

[river snow]

@smoky shoal gold 3 peaker typing like he's diamond

Stay quiet son

[smoky shoal]

Im bronze bozo

https://tenor.com/view/erifire-bozo-rip-bozo-gif-25036149

[river snow]

Damn

I must say you bamboozled me

Usually people ask me if im diamond myself when i type that stuff and i always keep a screenshot just for them

But you admitted you are bronze

That is respectable

[smoky shoal]

I really dont care about rank

Bronze yones only hit ult if they land q knockup first

Or if you dont see them coming

They are apes

Tbh nerf voli

No counterplay

[river snow]

He did not have any counterplay, and thankfully they nerfed him a lot

[smoky shoal]

And darius since i hate playing safe

Hes still powerfull

[river snow]

He is

But he is balanced now

[smoky shoal]

They have to mske him the way he used to be

Before durability

I liked him then

[river snow]

Voli?

I think he is fine he is a simple statstick and statsticks can be easily balanced by tweaking numbers

Darius is fine too but you need to have some skill

Or be good at a ranged champ

[vale kelp]

hear me out, yone and yasuo should have an additional mana bar

💁‍♀️

[ivory quail]

i wish

that would put in some skill in those champs

[tame citrus]

swain

[dusk merlin]

If yone and yas were going to use mana then garen should use mana as well

[onyx egret]

but how can you compare Garen to Yone and Yasuo xD

[glass smelt]

Diana

people complain about wind shitters when diana can build full tank and 1 shot the neemy team

i played it, had it on the enemy team

[dusk merlin]

Garen is literally the least skilled champ in the game and you guys are complaining about yone and yas like wow! Just get good or learn how to fight them it really isn't hard I beat them all the time

[dusk merlin]

Ikr people are weird like yone and yas aren't a problem as much as other champs but the people complaining about yone and yas play the champs that are more broken or annoying and they are just bad

[glass smelt]

i mean we have to consider the fac that 90% of the community is below silver

it's not hard to draw parallels

i used to hat ethese champs too when i was pisslow

but when u rise through like gold-plat even you'll start to see them fall apart

their weakness is that they can literally get stat checked or zoned to oblivion

there's a reason yone's 47% wr

[onyx egret]

ok Sasuke

I have 5 times more mastery on Garen and even with that it's still very easier to win by playing Yone

Yasuo is skilled

Yone is bs

and Garen is already enough bad no need to put mana on him

[dusk merlin]

lol

[dusk merlin]

So you play yone?

Then you should be able to beat yone

And you shouldn't have to complain about him

[dusk merlin]

True

[onyx egret]

that's the problem about him

Where is the counter play

when he can cc you 2,5 sec and kill you on that cc

[dusk merlin]

What champ are you playing also he can't insta kill (depending on who the other champ is) until he is lvl 7 at least and that is if you are really squishy

[onyx egret]

[dusk merlin]

Bro it isn't hard to beat yone but you are stuck thinking he is so broken that you aren't trying to find a way to

[onyx egret]

The question is more what champ he can't kill on his cc

[onyx egret]

You still didn't explain what's the counter play against his 2,5 sec cc

if it's that easy

[dusk merlin]

Ok what is cc? I am not that much into league abbreviations

And I'm sure it is

[onyx egret]

nah you are a troll ok

[normal socket]

please nerf predator

[normal socket]

garen needs patience

[dusk merlin]

No he doesn't lol

[normal socket]

garen's entire kit is his sustain and the fact he can stay in lane for a long time

if he doesnt take advantage of this and just braindead runs in 24/7 he will lose lane

[onyx egret]

don't argue with @dusk merlin he is a troll

[normal socket]

simple kit doesnt = easy gameplay

[dusk merlin]

My kid brother first timed him in ranked and went 9/0

[normal socket]

and your brother is in pisslow where staying in lane doesnt matter

you can 5 mid in your elo and win

[dusk merlin]

How do you die to yones airborn?

[dusk merlin]

You are trying to say garen isn't easy?

Ask any big streamer in their chat if garen is easy

[onyx egret]

E -> Q2 -> aa -> R -> Q -> E2

[normal socket]

you need to have the ability to be patient to be able to play garen effectively

[onyx egret]

he isn't

[dusk merlin]

his cd is not that fast

[normal socket]

cd for?

[dusk merlin]

cooldown

[normal socket]

if you're talking about q after greaves its like 2 seconds

[dusk merlin]

2 whole seconds is a lot think if you were stunned or rooted for 2 seconds

[onyx egret]

nah but this guy is a clown

[dusk merlin]

Nah you righty

[onyx egret]

i'm sorry but it's impossible to be that stupid

[normal socket]

except yone can still play the game while his q is on cd

you know he can also auto right

[onyx egret]

I can't see a way were it's not a troll

[normal socket]

while waitign these 2 seconds

[dusk merlin]

Totally the guy not complaining about yone is a vlown

[dusk merlin]

yes lol

[onyx egret]

you complain about Garen xDDDDD

literally the worst toplaner

[dusk merlin]

I'm not complaining about garen I said he is easy to play that is all

[onyx egret]

You said it needed mana

what's that

[dusk merlin]

Who is the best in your opinion

[normal socket]

if you give garen mana it literally ruins the whole point of garen???

[dusk merlin]

same for yone

[normal socket]

sounds ridiculous

yasuo spams e so much it would kill him

[dusk merlin]

Yone with mana restricts him way to much

[onyx egret]

idk probably something like Fiora, Darius or Aatrox

[normal socket]

darius is def best top laner rn

literally stomp every elo

[dusk merlin]

Valid

[onyx egret]

Yes it would made him balanced so sad

it would make loose to much money to riot sadly

then it is like it is

[dusk merlin]

The amount of champ that have no mana and yone is always the one everyone complains about lol

[onyx egret]

weird maybe because he is broken ?

[dusk merlin]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNuEqXbD/?k=1

Watch it lol

[dusk merlin]

he isn't broken darius is maybe borderline broken but yone is not lol

[vale kelp]

as it should

[onyx egret]

Dzukill play yone top not mid

that's the point

[vale kelp]

make it a low mana cost or something that refunds it if its gonna be so bad

[dusk merlin]

like yone isn't considered the best top laner or the best mid so why does everu=yone hate him so much lol

[onyx egret]

it's out of context

[onyx egret]

because he is broken

[normal socket]

it just doesnt make sense for yasuo to have mana cause he already has passive bar + he doesnt need to be punished for spamming abilities

[dusk merlin]

he isn't broken lol

[vale kelp]

too bad this guy is annoying

#makeyasuomainssuffer

[normal socket]

mages like ahri need mana because otherwise they can spam charm and q without being punished

[dusk merlin]

but yone does?

[dusk merlin]

lol

[normal socket]

yone cant spam abilities in the first place unlike yasuo

[vale kelp]

yasuo has so many dashes, a knock up, a windwall and such

[onyx egret]

yone can spam Q2

[vale kelp]

and then theres ahri with like

[normal socket]

all his cooldowns are literally 20 seconds

[vale kelp]

a charm

[normal socket]

and 8 dashes

true damage on q

[vale kelp]

not as easy to get them

and its on an ult

[onyx egret]

Yasuo have to commit for deal dmg

[normal socket]

auto aim ability

built in sustain

[vale kelp]

ahri > flopsuo

[onyx egret]

when Yone can spam Q2 and still being safe

[normal socket]

mages should not have built in sustain

ridiculous

[vale kelp]

also her q's mana cost is massive u have to be super careful with when you use it

either her health or her mana bar goes boom

[dusk merlin]

he can't spam until he is lvl10 or so

[normal socket]

yeah and mana management and thrown out the window the second you get a lost chapter

[onyx egret]

You are probably stuck bronze with Yone there's no reason to argue with you

[normal socket]

levels dont affect his cooldowns

attack speed does

[vale kelp]

no lol

[onyx egret]

[normal socket]

and usually he starts spamming after t2 boots

[dusk merlin]

I don't play yone anymore really

[normal socket]

explain

unless you literally use abilities every time its off cooldown i dont understand how you can be out of mana with a lost chapter

[vale kelp]

maybe bc u kind of have to use them often if u want decent waveclear

[dusk merlin]

lol you better take a lot since you can't beat yone who is easy to beat

[vale kelp]

and an ahri who doesnt snowball is so useless while theres yasuo who's always a threat

u just have to make sure u dont get hit by her charm lol

[onyx egret]

bro you are a clown stop talk everyone is laughing at you

[normal socket]

yasuo is only a threat if you let him afk farm 3 items

[vale kelp]

his dumbass passive which gives him so much cr

[dusk merlin]

Lol

[normal socket]

i agree yasuo has a dumb ability to always rebound into the game even though he's 0/20 but

[dusk merlin]

Totally your are right

[normal socket]

yasuo is only good if the player playing him knows what they're doing

his low dash cooldown is sometimes a disadvantage because monkey brains spam it every chance they get and usually dash into tower get cc'ed and die

[vale kelp]

well then thats a skill issue

not the character itself

[normal socket]

the character has a high skill ceiling so he's allowed to have some broken mechanics like windwall

[dusk merlin]

@vale kelp @normal socket what are your opinions on yone?

[vale kelp]

he's so fucking annoying

[normal socket]

i think yone's e is way too forgiving

[dusk merlin]

Wind wall is crazy

[vale kelp]

not as annoying as yasuo but

a fed yone is 1v9

[normal socket]

theres so many mechanics in his e and it doesnt allow you to punish him if he misplays

[dusk merlin]

true

[normal socket]

its a dash, that gives you ramping movespeed, a percentage of all damage you deal will be dealt as true damage after the duration, and it teleports you back to your original casting spot

[dusk merlin]

if you can root or stun him in his e than you get rid of it and you can kill him a yone with no E is easier than a yone with E

[normal socket]

its just too strong

yone's e is the only issue i have with him though

everything else is ok

[dusk merlin]

It does have a 15-18 sec cooldown until you max it and then it is like 8 seconds with items

but they could nerf the ms a bit

[glass smelt]

Even then his E is very predictable and punishable

idk most meta champs shit on him so hard it's not worht playing that champ rn

he dropped from 10% pr to 5-6% and still have a shit winrate

if anything he's due for a buff but riot is riot so they'll try to appease the silver community by making him piss tier above plat

😂

[dusk merlin]

lol

[glass smelt]

champ's such a meme

i don't know how anyone lose to yone early game tohugh

u just face roll him 90% of the time it's just mental block

he's a melee ADC with zero innate sustain and piss range

[onyx egret]

Yes a champ that can trade me from his T2 to my T1 and then back to it by pressing E is fine

idk you guys saying that yone is bad are just troller imo

I play this champ once per month and I never loosed a lane

32%+ popularity in master+

xD

[rapid glen]

darius needs a nerf

[spiral tiger]

Fiora

and Demonic embrace

and qiyana but tbf her first strike interaction is bugged

[vale kelp]

qiyana is so annoing

annoying

[spiral tiger]

54.22% winrate in diamond+

[vale kelp]

cant wait to see qiyana mains complain about her doing no damaghe whenever she gets nerfed

[spiral tiger]

57.86% in masters+

[vale kelp]

qiyana mains thrive on having a champ which does too much damage

[spiral tiger]

for some reason i love wathcing assasins

but...

i hate playing against them

lol

i wanted them to buff qiyana jungle and nerf her mid

but they are not gonna do it sadge

i also want sylas jungle

[flat moon]

Ok let’s actually list champions that need nerfs. Which is none of these.

Yummi/Soraka/Riven/Orrn/Vayne/Fiora/Taric/Lulu.

[flat moon]

They nerfed half his kit twice your still crying nerf voli.

Actually get good

[smoky shoal]

explain to me how should i beat a voli jungle

[flat moon]

Oh idk learn how about learn the counters that have excisted since his rework. Instead of crying broken Voli has been terrible for the 10 patches.

I don’t care what WR says people are just crying Voli broken when nothing has changed for him and he got worse with the durability patch

[arctic karma]

im pretty sure the quote in your bio isnt a sion quote

[flat moon]

I’m pretty sure this has literally nothing to do with anything

[arctic karma]

silly

[vale kelp]

add qiyana

[flat moon]

Here’s how you deal with qyiana mid or jungle.

Jungle: poppy/Udry/Reksai

Mid: Lissandra/Singed

[vale kelp]

oh yeah bc everybody has them in their pool

[fading heron]

seraphine and qiyana, pretty self explanatory

[normal socket]

qiyana is op 100% agree

[normal socket]

if this is your logic then riven doesnt need to be nerfed at all

riven gets shit on by poppy and lissandra as well

[flat moon]

Here’s why riven is included. Every bruiser except from her has been touched with recent bruiser adjustments. All of her items are extremely strong (sunderer is stupid on her now with its recent change) she scales incredibly well with current bruiser items.

And all of the match ups she wants to against and heavy prio atm.

And before you poppy? Poppy is rarely played top and people honestly forgot about it.

Just like maokai top cause people just play him as a seed bot support. When honestly he’s not that bad atm in the top lane

I honestly don’t understand why people all of a sudden started playing poppy jungle, it was extremely niche and still is. Cause of the current jungle meta champ, but all honesty the other tank junglers. Sej and Zac and offer a lot more then she does.

[vagrant arrow]

bc shes too hard to play?

u have to play perfectly on riven playing against a person of equal skill

and poppy is different than zac and sej she's better than sej as she has anti dash and potential to kill squishies very quickly with divine burst and able to kill tanks with q % dmg

zac is just overtuned atm so he's being played a lot and zac honestly has never been bad i haven't seen a zac do bad i think one game this month all of the ones on my team have hard carried ~17/2 kda range

[flat moon]

Like I said the tank junglers are not popular and still aren’t.

Zac isn’t popular because anti tank items are too strong.

Sej is better off as a top laner since her laning got buffed on her passive.

And she’s basically a tank support since mostly all the tank supports are shit. Meanwhile if you play her down in bot lane she offers a lot of value and kill pressure due to her CC and % max health dmg.

[vagrant arrow]

yeah man

zac and tak diana aren't popular

shyvana as well

[flat moon]

Shyv isn’t a tank anymore.

Diana is not a ffing tank I don’t care how many times you say sunfire is good on Diana your griefing.

And yeah zac is not popular since people don’t like playing tanks. Want proof good look at his pic rate

[normal socket]

sunfire is the best mythic on her rn

[vagrant arrow]

sunfire best item on diana

shyv has always been build tanky

and zac is pretty popular

and zac is a tank

tanks are the lowest skill class so people pick it when they dont care ab skill expression and wanna climb

shyvana building tank items for seasons now "isn't a tank anymore" when she's better tank now than she was a month ago

[onyx egret]

Zac actually need skill

[vagrant arrow]

exceptions exist

but generally

[onyx egret]

i'd say that is not what people think when someone say skill

but some tanks need

[vagrant arrow]

going into a forza race in a sec

but yeah generally though they're lower

[ivory quail]

a Shyvana today had 4900 health normally and 5300 in dragon form at lvl 13.

explain if that isnt considered a tank

200 armour which isnt a lot but had that on top of it

[flat moon]

Tell me does someone building nothing but health and only offers dmg is a tank?

[ivory quail]

Yes?

[flat moon]

A champion that offers nothing but dmg is a tank

[ivory quail]

If you can frontline, tank 10+ turret hits for dives and have cc and damage

In that scenario yes

[flat moon]

Yet shyv has 0 CC

[ivory quail]

Stun

[flat moon]

She has no stuns

[ivory quail]

A dash which isn’t cc but a good engage for her team

She has a fireball

[flat moon]

Not Cc

[ivory quail]

I’m confusing her witu brand mb

Still her engage and tankiness

That’s more than enough

[flat moon]

If she only offers dmg but isn’t doing dmg cause she’s building tank items. Then she’s not a ffing tank

I’ll give you another example to prove my point.

If reksai a champion who’s must build dmg in order to do stuff. Starts building tank items. Does that make her a tank.

[ivory quail]

…

That’s a different class

Also if you play Diana you build a tank mythic. That’s it

But what stats does demonic embrace give?

And shadowflame?

Not sure if you’re gonna answer but AP and HP

It’s that simple

It doesn’t sound right, assassins building tanks but it works and it’s strong. It’s not hard to understand

[modest bison]

imo kayn needs to be nerfed

ig pre-form he's not very useful but with form it's disgusting

[flat moon]

Different class ok.

How about Evelyn same items same job

[ivory quail]

Yeah just no I was guessing you were gonna bring evelynn up

She’s different in that regard

I don’t know how to properly explain but you play her differently

[flat moon]

Ok please tell me what class Diana is

[ivory quail]

You build full full damage and try to one shot, then disengage

[ivory quail]

An assassin

Diana and Akali and not can build tank items to pop a combo and live to use them more

One shotting on them isn’t as reliable as Eve, because Evelynn is build around one shotting and disengaging

Look at her recent buffs that shows it even more

Diana does not have a one shot tool per se but is an assassin. She can build a tank mythic into AP/HP items to have a lot of health, doing damage next to that

Not to even be rude I just don’t get how you dont understand it

It’s not for every single assassin in the game

And the stats say tank Diana and Akali are better than non-tank

[vagrant arrow]

she's a tank that does dmg

...

[ivory quail]

Yes

[vagrant arrow]

diana is a fighter

[ivory quail]

She’s an assassin

[vagrant arrow]

fighters can build into tank

or build into an assassin build

but what is better on diana (BY A SIGNIFICIANT margin) is tank currently

[ivory quail]

Correct

That’s all

It’s that simple

Tank Diana > assassin Diana even though it’s pretty much the same concept only different stats

She is a champ that can thrive from less damage but more survivability

[vagrant arrow]

she has extremely high base stats

which is why she can go tank

[modest bison]

it's not really tank it's ap bruiser

[vagrant arrow]

it's nashors into tank item (ice born gauntlet ) into ap tank items or more tank items

[modest bison]

sunfire can hardly be considered a tank item considering how much damage it deals in a sustained fight

[vagrant arrow]

sunfire srory

iceborn is shyv

sunfire needs a nerf which is why it's being nerfed next patch

item is way too strong when every champ is able to abuse it

they're hard nerfing top laners but giving us back old tp bc of drag changes

2nd wind nerf bone plating nerf pots being nerfed biscuits being nerfed tp cooldown higher conditioning nerf twt nerfed again magic boots nerfed unflinching nerfed

almost everything from resolve tree

gp power shift rework/nerf to early game buff to late game

all for it for having my passive scale off crit chance now lol

[onyx egret]

sunfire is made for tank

but deal too much

[vagrant arrow]

its literally a nashors once you get 5 stacks or whatever though

while being tanky

[onyx egret]

the problem is that riot try to made tank meta by buffing their item

and it made this

the problem is that anti tank bruiser and anti tank items are too good

[vagrant arrow]

tank meta already created from dura patch

[onyx egret]

then tank can't rly be meta

[onyx egret]

lol

[vagrant arrow]

nerfing pen

[onyx egret]

tank aren't meta

[vagrant arrow]

tanks already could kill adcs without much counter play now it's more lol

[onyx egret]

that don't made her meta

and most of the adc can just kite tank

tanks pick rate are low af

idk in what world they are meta

[vagrant arrow]

tank items being abused

juggernauts

bruisers and tanks

benefitted heavily

[flat moon]

G I wonder who listed that were assasins oh yeah both of them

Can they build tank items no

[ivory quail]

Trading with Sion while he had sunfire is just suicide at that point that item does more damage than all abilities combined

[flat moon]

Shouldnt assassins be building tank items no

[ivory quail]

They shopifjt

Shouldn’t*

[onyx egret]

yes tanks item

[ivory quail]

But for the 40th time it’s more effective and stronger

[onyx egret]

but not tank classes

[ivory quail]

Just accept it stop being in denial about stats

[flat moon]

More effective on a champion that offers nothing as a tank

[ivory quail]

They can frontline and lead fights? Not die?

How is it bad if an assassin like champ can’t die in fights

That only makes them better

[flat moon]

Yet the thing is Diana is dieing every fight when she is building this

[ivory quail]

Nope

Must be you

[flat moon]

Nope. The assassin building tank items dives the entire enemy team. Doesn’t get bursted down

[onyx egret]

(he is silver)

[ivory quail]

I don’t care about that I’m just surprised that they don’t accept it

[flat moon]

Yeah and people who are in higher elos come up with builds that make 0 sence

Sunfire shaco

Sunfire Diana

Full tank shyv top

[ivory quail]

Who brought up shaco

I had that

[onyx egret]

this guy is smarter than all high elo lul

[flat moon]

Nobody it’s just one of the sunfire believers cause people have been doing it

[ivory quail]

What I was talking about; 5300 hp at lvl 13

[ivory quail]

Well yeah sunfire does damahe

I was trying to all in a Sion and sunfire did 80% of my health in that

[flat moon]

IT DOES DMG IF YOUR CHAMPION BUILDS AND SCALES WITH HEALTH

[ivory quail]

Just sunfire

[flat moon]

Yeah that’s Sion he has infinite scaling bonus health

[ivory quail]

Diana builds ap items after that

And those give extra health

I legit give up

[flat moon]

Not as much as other tank items

[ivory quail]

Stay coping about this you either are ignorant or don’t understand it

[onyx egret]

Sion player no more farm after 1500/1800 passive stack

[ivory quail]

Yeah but it gives more health so what’s ur point

[flat moon]

Wtf does this even mean

[ivory quail]

Extra 700-1400 hp from ap items

[flat moon]

Ap items are giving more health then tank items.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[ivory quail]

?

Youre using words I never used

These ap items give health of course you won’t build sunfire on a squishy champ that doesn’t get any bonus health

[flat moon]

Yet the health their getting is nothing compared to actual tank items

[ivory quail]

But are they supposed to be tank-tanks?

No

Just to have way more survivability than the average assassin or usual fighter

Period that’s all there is to it

[flat moon]

Here’s how you survive more on ap assasins. Hourglass

[ivory quail]

They build 1 tank item and can scale from it you don’t go for a full tank build

[onyx egret]

it's 2,5 sec

and you don't tank any dmg

[ivory quail]

Yeah but what about that + an extra 1000hp + that bonus health scaling with sunfire

[flat moon]

Tell me a ap item that does that. hint none of them

[flat moon]

yeah but your arent dieing either

[onyx egret]

then your team die

wp

[eager folio]

I mean that doesn’t matter cuz building sunfire is literally viable

You can build on Diana, fizz, and ekko

[flat moon]

Yes please tell me why you can build it on these 3 champs

Can’t wait to here the reason for this

[eager folio]

Cuz sunfire is broken rn

[flat moon]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Everything must be broken in your book then

Play everything with sunfire it must work

[onyx egret]

I think like before with Volibear riot nerf sunfire because people don't know how to play against xD

[plush vine]

yone

[plush vine]

well your in luck

[plush vine]

riot is nerfing sunfire

[flat moon]

Nerfing it for non tanks buffing it for tanks

Cause people don’t know wtf the dmg scales off of. Your bonus health and still thinks it goes on everyone

If you aren’t building health the dmg is not worth just building ap items

[plush vine]

oh ok

i wasn't sure exactly what was happening with it i just heard it was being nerfed somehow

[flat moon]

Please don’t listen to anyone telling you sunfire on Diana is good

[plush vine]

goodbye sunfire diana

it was fun while it lasted

[flat moon]

It’s not players are just ffing bad

[plush vine]

sunfire nashors was unironically super fun

[flat moon]

“Tank items are 1 shotting adc” no they aren’t

[plush vine]

i prefer it so much to rocketbelt honestly

[flat moon]

Want a tank that does everything that Diana does

But as a tank

[plush vine]

diana ult can one shot in many cases regardless of itemization

[flat moon]

And does dmg

[flat moon]

No it won’t

[plush vine]

i wnat to play diana though

[flat moon]

I’ll give you a better option

[plush vine]

not necessarily from full health

[flat moon]

Then that’s not 1 shot

[plush vine]

but it deal sgood damage

[flat moon]

Not really

[plush vine]

regardless of items

yes really

it does deal good damage

[flat moon]

Want a better champion then Diana that is fun?

And does dmg with tank items?

Cause he has max health dmg and scales with his health

And does her job but 10x better

[plush vine]

well i have a skin for diana

so no

[flat moon]

You champion is Zac

[plush vine]

dont have a skin for zac

sorry

besides

[flat moon]

Then get one and play him

[plush vine]

is it so bad that people enjoy diana

cuz

[flat moon]

Instead of playing sunfire wooden stick Diana

[plush vine]

malding

[hard willow]

fiora has needed nerfs for a long time now

[flat moon]

Cause im tired of people thinking items are good on champions when they fffing aren’t

[plush vine]

sunfire is good on diana

or was perhaps

the nerfs will prolly handle that

[plush vine]

yeah

fioras vital damage is crazy

[ruby coral]

Kayn*(Rhaast)*, AAtrox, Vladimir, Soraka and Lulu

[river snow]

All accurate

[ivory quail]

It’s not enough but the durability update did hit her a bit

That was a start

[hard willow]

I mean, she does percent health damage and true damage so I can't imagine it hit her much at all.

[ivory quail]

Her vitals are still effective but everything else feels a lot weaker

Not hitting vitals will now be your death in stead of hitting vitals is an easier kill

[ebon ginkgo]

yone and yasuo are just played by a lot of people they dominated the ints

[delicate lintel]

Easy, GP

[vale kelp]

gp's barrels are highkey annoying

but theres worse

[craggy timber]

it literally is tho

sunfire/frostfire demonic diana is insanely good

and honestly broken

[dire socket]

mordekaiser, darius, lux imo

[craggy timber]

reksai needs a nerf

[quiet token]

Diana should get some cut stats in her spells

[flat moon]

Riot is doing the smart move and nerfing sunfire for champions who are not tanks and buffing it for champs who are actually tanks

Diana doesn’t need nerfs

[quiet token]

Bruder

She's 10 patches on 54% win rate in Master and above

This champion isn't okay

People weren't abusing Sunfire until last 2 patches or so

[craggy timber]

im p sure it was frostfire demonic for a bit

but idk if thats been consistent for the past 10 patches

[quiet token]

Tenacity is way more beneficial for Diana

[craggy timber]

idk i was seeing a lot of frostfire demonic before sunfire

like i said idk if it was 10 patches, cause it couldve been proto nashors or some shit and then it went to frostfire then sunfire

[quiet token]

The build wasn't as known back then 10 patches ago

She was above 54% win rate even going full damage

[craggy timber]

ye i figured

[quiet token]

That's my point why I think she needs a nerf

[craggy timber]

i still think reksai needs a nerf

[quiet token]

I'd agree and disagree on that

She creates a lot of pressure in early game but if your team is patient and plays well

She can't really do much once she's not ahead

She's not power farming Jungler also

[flat moon]

Yeah cause people are sitting emoting as she’s autoing them death with sunfire that is doing half the dmg as normal tanks

Tank items op on her 😂😂😂😂

You are doing half the dmg you would be doing if you built full ap

[quiet token]

Sounds very biased

[flat moon]

Biased people are acting like she’s melting them with sunfire when she is isn’t she’s killing them with nashors and demonic.

Sunfire is literally doing half the dmg on her that you would be dealing if you bought it on a tank.

Well I ought too thank sunfire Diana’s for one thing they are buffing the item for tanks next patch. So I ought to thank them for increasing sunfire dmg on tanks by 50%

Cause champions who are actually building tank items are going to be dealing more dmg

[quiet token]

Well

I'm kinda talking about win rate and not how someone dies to her build

The problem with her right now is her clear

She needs lower stats to not get so easily ahead of everyone just by farming

It's absolutely whatever what she's building

I play her sometimes in Jungle and I can say that this champion isn't okay

[flat moon]

Problem with her is. She has very long cooldowns outside of Q if she maxes it first.

If Diana is sitting on cooldowns in a 1v1 against many junglers she’s not going to win.

And I’ll be honest her clear isn’t best. But once you buy bamis it’s a no brainer why her clear becomes better. This is the same case with all tank junglers. They have ok lvl 1 clears but once they get bamis the issue is resolved.

[craggy timber]

diana cds... arent that long...

[flat moon]

For jungle yes they are compared to mid

[craggy timber]

her level 1 q is 8s cd lol

[flat moon]

Yeah all but her Q

[craggy timber]

and her e is 22s but that shit is refunded by q

the only long cd ability she has is w level 1

[flat moon]

Yeah which if that ability is on cd when she’s about get into a 1v1 she’s in trouble

[craggy timber]

why the fuck would you ever try to 1v1 someone without ur shield 😭

[flat moon]

I’m not saying you are. I’m saying if the enemy jungler were to invade you while your w is down your in trouble

[craggy timber]

thats unfortunate then? nothing to do with dianas kit?

[flat moon]

Long cooldowns are something junglers don’t want majority of junglers don’t have basic abilites with long cooldowns. And the ones that do their others abilites aren’t too long to make up for it.

One of 2 reasons sylas jungle is no longer a thing

Long cooldowns and they gutted his dmg and healing in the jungle

[craggy timber]

i mean, im 90% sure diana was originally made for mid lane, not jg

so...

[flat moon]

Yes

But riot now see her as a jungler

[lean mortar]

Kaisa W needs either less damage or smaller hitbox

[craggy timber]

also dianas long w cd is made up for her fast clearing lol

not to mention, zac, who is an actual jg, has insanely long cds compared to diana

and is also slower when clearing

[flat moon]

Zac W is 5 seconds and is refunded 1 second he picks up a blob

Which the blobs also heal him

[craggy timber]

q is 15 seconds, e is 24 seconds

a lot longer than diana cds

[drifting pulsar]

but it doesnt even have damage

[flat moon]

Q can produce 2 blobs

[drifting pulsar]

so how is it making him clear faster

[craggy timber]

and again, diana only has 1 long ability

[drifting pulsar]

exactly it doesnt

[craggy timber]

which is w, and she also has her passive

which makes her clearing a LOT faster than zacs

[drifting pulsar]

^

[craggy timber]

zac can clear in like 3:15 optimized

[drifting pulsar]

its like champions like garen or modekaiser

who can clear faster

because of their kits

some champions have that kit some dont

[craggy timber]

using 1 smite

[quiet token]

How is Diana's clear not the best?

The biggest cope I've heard for a while

[craggy timber]

i wouldnt say her clear is the best but its def up there

[flat moon]

Problem with Zac his clear is good. While is 1v1 is really bad until he has items

And in a meta where early game junglers are dominant is why he isn’t that good

[craggy timber]

no fucking way you just said zac isnt good

[flat moon]

I’m not saying he isn’t good. I’m saying just isn’t the meta for him atm. Honestly sej is a better option atm. Cause her 1v1 is good.

Yeah I know what it shows for him atm, but theirs just better options and reason it’s high is because not a lot of people play him atm.

[quiet token]

Why is Sejuani good in your opinion?

She gets out farmed and out scaled by 70% of meta champions right now

You can't blind pick her

How is Sejuani good in 1v1's?

[flat moon]

Out scaled no. She gets a lot stronger now the more the game goes. Especially after her recent psssive buff.

Her passive Cd now scaled down with lvls. 6 down to 3 second cooldown.

Her clear once she gets bamis is nuts.

She’s never not viable because of her utility and pic potential. True you can’t blind her. But the meta champs your team will pick are good for her. Especially if your adc can play nilah.

Her 1v1’s are really good because of her passive dmg when she attack someone’s she recently stunned.

10% max health magic dmg. Lvl 1

It has a small cooldown before it can happen again but it hardly matters

[quiet token]

Dude

That buff was 5 patches ago

No one is playing Sejuani because she's bad in current meta

Everyone claps her

She is clearing very slowly

She doesn't have as much damage

She losses to all bruisers in Jungle

I haven't seen her in Jungle since ages

Sejuani has 2% pick rate worldwide

I really wouldn't want to play her against Diana, Viego or Wukong

[quiet token]

I think brand tho, guy does too much damage at all stages of the game ngl

[ivory quail]

could be low elo but im stomping literally anyone

i was the reason we won 2v4s against fed enemies and i could 1v1 anyone with sej

[halcyon grotto]

all of camilles damage is in q, nerf q and camille is nerfed into the ground

[jaunty osprey]

happens with all champs therefore negligible

[flat moon]

Yet she shits on all 3 of them.

Point and click CC %max health magic dmg. Hybrid dmg, and is mobile.

And is very durable

[flat moon]

She’s slow the tank with a 600 dash that’s also CC

[flat moon]

Dude read her kit

[flat moon]

She has a low pick rate because.

A: She is a situational champion.

B: people hate playing tanks. Unless you actually enjoy it which most people don’t

[flat moon]

Yeah but if you nerf the ability that is their main dmg tool you could potentially gut them.

Cam doesn’t need to be hard nerfed. They just need to change the interaction with her Q and sheen items.

Divine sunder is her go to item because her Q turns her flat true dmg. Into % max health true dmg. That’s why she’s been a monster for the past 2 seasons. Cause S11 turned her into the 3rd champion with % max health true dmg. Who is extremely mobile and has other forms of max health and true dmg in her kit.

It’s why when riot nerfed inting Sion. Instead of nerfing his abilities. Which would’ve been all of them.

They instead nerf the one that was abused the most and now inting Sion is dead.

[flat moon]

You clear don’t know what she does

She doesn’t haft 1v1 people she’s a ffing tank. Sej cares about her pick potential and peeling for her team

She can put up a fight but she isn’t running around the rift wanting to fight people in 1v1’s

[quiet token]

Alright dude 😁

Your takes are super confusing and doesn't make sense

I'll peace out of this one

[onyx egret]

seems like I didn't said enough that this guy is a troll 😔

[quiet token]

All good

I don't mind

[flat moon]

doesnt make sence as i give you a paragraph about this lmfao.

[flat moon]

as you say with everyone