#darius needs a nerf.

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wary fern
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And? that's the top laner's fault then for feeding him. Just because people know how to use Darius effectively doesn't mean he needs a nerf.

untold current
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Bcs Darius deserves a nerf 100%

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With Gnar, they are both exodia

wary fern
untold current
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Darius is in high elo a 51,5% winrate champ with a 8+% pickrate

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thats strong

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thahs really strong with such a pickrate

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darius is a disgusting champion

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If u actually think Darius is in a balanced state, then ur crazy

wary fern
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near 50% is where champs should be, correct?

untold current
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51,5 is differenr from 50

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And also the pickrate matters

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With such a huge sample size, 1,5% is huge

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And having such an insane pickrate => champ is broken

untold current
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Crazy how you ignored it

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Bcs you have 0 arguments for it

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Next time dont bother even opening your mouth

wary fern
untold current
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It does

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Aurelion being a 57% winrate champ with 0,6 pickrate

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Makes a dofference

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Bcs its only onetricks playing it

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And since he used to have such a winrate they nerfed him

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Cuz only onetricks played him

wary fern
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Again, source?

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where are the numbers coming from

prime trench
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You can see the reasoning for aurelion nerfs if you check through his patch history on the wiki or using the patch number and looking for the old riot patch notes for more context on his nerfs

wary fern
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not even close to 57

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# wary fern it was 53ish

11.15 Patch Preview is here! Lot of pro-facing shakeups for playoffs in here, plus a couple of high performing solo queue champions. For context: Aurelion Sol's Elite win rate in the last 2 patches has been 57.3% and 57.4%. Both of those have been the highest win rates of any champion in Elite MMR.

untold current
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thats why there is a meme about aurelion

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"But nerf Aurelion"

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or however it was

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if a champ has a low pickrate with a high winrate, its reasonable to assume that onetricks are increasing the winrate of the champion

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but if a champ like darius has almost a 9% pickrate with a 51,5% winrate in high elo means only one thing

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the champ is strong

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pickrate makes all the difference

untold current
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in challenger he has a 53,5% winrate with a 7,8% pickrate and maybe you would think that in challenger people would punsih him more and easier since he has some strong counters

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but he still has a disgusting winrate

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coral wolf
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His stats seem a bit overtuned, I won't lie. I know Juggernauts are suppose to occasionally manhandle 2-3 people by themselves, but there's been too many situations recently where I've seen Darius pull that shit off with a sliver of health every time despite the Darius not even playing it very optimally.

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A lot of the champs that are supposed to be good into him have also been struggling.

untold current
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Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity

coral wolf
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The unfortunate side effect of trying to have reasonable conversations about League when most people are either here or on reddit solely to complain and have other people reaffirm their complaints for them.

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tuff life as a proper league enjoyer

wary fern
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But when he's fed early game, most games don't go on long enough to see his falling off if objectives are gotten early

untold current
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Do you not get that

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That means it easier to counter him no?

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Since they have higher game knowledge

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But his counters are weak

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And his numbers are good

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=> darius is really strong

coral wolf
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Darius "falling off" has to be one of the biggest myths in all of League, I swear to God

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If that man gets his full passive stacks in any way, your entire team is in danger

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And Darius runs flash/ghost so have fun kiting that

untold current
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Late game 1400 true damage bomba incoming

coral wolf
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And that applies to underfed Dariuses too lmao

untold current
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With 10000 mvs speed

wary fern
# untold current Do you not get that

I'm well aware, but what you fail to realize is that overall Darius has a lightly less than 50% winrate. If you base "needing a nerf" solely off of challenger stats that doesn't mean anything. Teemo: 54% winrate in challenger, does he need a nerf now too?

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I don't at all disagree that darius is powerful, but it is up to the top laner to play smart, and if they don't they are the ones who cause the loss for their team

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Darius doesn't just magically get strong and win the games, if he is dealt with early game he can't do anything

wary fern
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needs a nerf

untold current
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big difference that you cannot understand

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wary fern
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Again, in challenger, she is

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nah sej op needs nerf

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her wr too high

wary fern
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coral wolf
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Sejuani top is apparently really oppressive from what I've seen

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But I haven't seen much

wary fern
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Let's also note this post was made by a level 31 player.

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wary fern
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I'm sorry you suck at learning how to counter him but complaining in a thread isn't going to change anything, or whatever your problem may be is that causes you to want to rant about it constantly here

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coral wolf
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I could take this conversation seriously if ya'll weren't using winrates as a stepping stone to decree a champion's overall power level or not.

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There's so so so much more to this game than just winrates.

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wary fern
untold current
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Also, if u wanna tlak about anecdotal stuff, then look at high elo players what do they think of him

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like Drututt for an example

wary fern
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drututt belongs in a mental hospital

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he is clinically insane

wary fern
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coral wolf
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Personally I lean towards the side of believing Darius is too strong right now simply due to his early game being too strong and his "counters" not actually countering him very well. If they nerfed his early game stats a bit for an increase in his late game stats, I'd be happy with that.

untold current
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Since he is one of the best toplaners not only in europe

coral wolf
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Overbearing laners have been my issue with top since forever cause that's what the entire meta balances itself around.

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Not a good laner or a straight up lane bully? Welp, hope you enjoy your low pick rate top lane champ.

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Top lane meta fucking sucks.

untold current
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I loooveee this meta

coral wolf
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I want a meta shift into laners who can scale better without having to worry about playing against a lane bully every single game.

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Nerf the power of some of the early game top laners and put their power back into the late game.

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Then I might like the role again.

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Like I don't know why some of these insanely high pressure top laners are also the same ones who scale like Gods and can completely dictate games whereas top laners who don't have early pressure don't even feel like they have similar scaling

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It's so dumb

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coral wolf
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^^^^^^^^^

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As much as I love the new eclipse aatrox build cause I like higher burst damage playstyles; someone please nerf that bastard

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Part of me hopes they're holding off on top lane changes just cause the preseason might introduce some new mechanics that would affect how top lane is played or something, but idk

untold current
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smh my head

coral wolf
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there's a reason I'm a jungler/ADC player now even though a lot of the champs I love are top laners lol

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Fix the role and I might come back cause that lane blows

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Out here playing mordekaiser jungle so I can get my mordekaiser fix

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...which tbf is way stronger than I thought it was but yeah

untold current
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with ghost smite, frostfire

coral wolf
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I don't go frostfire; I rush rylais instead. I usually try to carry my games through as much damage as possible.

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rylais into whatever the omnivamp AP mythic is called that I somehow forgot about.

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Nashors tooth if I'm feeling spicy.

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(and fed)

wary fern
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he's a fun champ, my funny mostly two hit morde build consists of socerer's shoes, riftmaker, void staff, demonic embrace, nashors tooth, and rabadons. gives 1100 damage on q 🤣

coral wolf
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a true raid boss

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I typically don't play him without rylais just cause it synergizes way too well with him

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both for the HP and the permaslow

candid dust
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cuz u int him

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stop inting him

candid dust
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i think its because of durability update

steady jewel
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do not all in , thats all

untold nacelle
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Do all in lmao

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This is what people get wrong

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You take ignite and just start hitting him

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That’s how you win

candid dust
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exactly u dodge his shit and ignite him

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and he dies

coral wolf
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Assuming your champ is capable of doing that, like if you're a wukong or something. Not every champ has that luxury.

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Darius's W makes him a crazy duelist to most people that want to try and confront him, and in many cases, Darius can punish you for trying to fight him by auto attacking, W auto cancel, E to knock back into his Q, and at that point, you have two autos left before his passive kicks in, in which case, you usually do not need to be trying to fight him any longer than that.

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Champs like Wukong would be an exception to the rule due to having two dashes to avoid the Q and just straight out-stating him in a duel.

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Champs like Volibear, Trundle and Yorick also thrive more in extended duels than Darius would, but other than that, there's a reason that most people simply just play ranged top laners into Darius if they have the choice.

candid dust
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if u have damage u can kill him

coral wolf
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why do I feel like you've only faced bad darius players

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That is so far from the truth it's absurd

candid dust
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im not saying any champ can beat darius because ive only fought mentally handicapped players (i haven't btw hahahaha), im saying that most champions have ways of outplaying him

coral wolf
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It goes both ways. Darius isn't just some walking stat stick; there are large differences between a masters Darius and your average gold player.

candid dust
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neither of us said differently

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but the point stands that most champs in this game have tools at their disposal to beat darius

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It's fair to assume that some champs can deal with Darius better than others

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but to act like ur helpless unless you're wukong is stupid

coral wolf
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Did I ever imply that

candid dust
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u implied champs similar to wukong

untold nacelle
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i was one of the best darius players in euw if u wanna go by one of those sites and literally anyone can just take ignite and beat the shit out of him

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people are scared because they believe the old narrative still

coral wolf
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I'm not saying they are the only champs that can beat a Darius; I'm specifically referring to the concept of all inning a Darius. There are other ways to go about winning your lane other than all ining a Darius, because it's only a certain few champs that can actually win those all ins against half-decent Darius players.

untold nacelle
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not true

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thats what a lot of people try to do and they get fucked from it

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all inning is exactly what you want to do lol

candid dust
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yeah um u can win all-in on Darius pretty easy

untold nacelle
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if your champ can take tempo, you just take tempo and ignite and p much autowin anything

candid dust
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dodge Q ignite and kill

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Dead

coral wolf
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Ya'll are extremely optimistic so I'll leave you to your fantasies.

untold nacelle
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where is your experience with him?

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do you play a lot of darius?

candid dust
coral wolf
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You realize I was a masters player before I took a few years break right

untold nacelle
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yeah you said that was like 5 years ago tho lmao

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and now ur plat 3

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im not gonna pull out the rank argument yet but

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its redundant saying that here

coral wolf
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Yeah I went from Gold 1 to plat 3 in the span of like 2 days. It's not hard to climb through the ranks.

untold nacelle
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im sure it isnt... which is why youre 54% winrate

candid dust
coral wolf
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I almost never get stomped by darius. Why do you keep thinking I'm implying shit I never am?

untold nacelle
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thats what im asking

candid dust
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cuz you're on some shit about how Darius is so great and its really hard to all in and kill him

untold nacelle
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not about how good you are

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but how experienced

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obviously it correlates with rank too but

coral wolf
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Lou I don't give half a shit about your experience. There are plenty of people who have played this game for years and aren't any better than your average gold player in terms of game knowledge and you're one of them.

candid dust
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lou is like masters dar main tho

untold nacelle
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not masters any more but yea

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xd

untold nacelle
candid dust
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hes avg gold player? xsxdxdxdxd

untold nacelle
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its like me pulling up to some challenger jungler and telling them they are shit and i know better

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on completely baseless stuff

candid dust
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@untold nacelle looks like u have brain of gold player now Sadge sorry for u man

untold nacelle
coral wolf
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People who one-two-three trick champs typically have limited overall game knowledge.

untold nacelle
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that aside

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this isnt about game knowledge

coral wolf
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You don't even know me

untold nacelle
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this is only champ knowledge

untold nacelle
coral wolf
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You're just jerking yourself off publicly

candid dust
untold nacelle
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stop dodging the question tho

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how are you more experienced than me to comment on this?

coral wolf
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You're doin a real fuckin bad job of it considering the nonsense you're spewing

untold nacelle
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stop dodging the question

candid dust
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im iron 4 0lp

untold nacelle
candid dust
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and i could probably be challenger if i tried

untold nacelle
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honestly same

candid dust
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but my team is causing me to be iron

untold nacelle
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i know im some stucker dog but

candid dust
untold nacelle
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i have the potential

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for rank 1

candid dust
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i know im not the greatest but im at least d4 material

untold nacelle
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100%

candid dust
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riot just needs to give me better teams and ill climb out of elo hell iron 4 Sadge

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I win lane lose game every day 😭

coral wolf
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are yall clowns done

candid dust
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climb queen

untold nacelle
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keep talking now

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you still havent answered my question

candid dust
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keep sucking off Darius like he's an unbeatable god

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dab

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💤

coral wolf
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because your question is giant piles of garbage. Despite the way you wish it was, experience does not equate to skill. You could have thousands of hours playing one champ and still be shit at the game overall.

coral wolf
candid dust
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yes experience doesn't equate to skill but rank does omegaLUL omegaLUL

untold nacelle
coral wolf
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If you played in higher elo you'd realize there are diamond and even masters players who are legitamtely about as bright as a bronze player.

untold nacelle
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which you have no advantage on btw

untold nacelle
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but so far it isnt looking good for you

candid dust
untold nacelle
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given im considerably higher rank and have played the champ a lot more

coral wolf
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What, because I have two dipshits trying to talk me down with utterly irrelevant points cause you're salty I'm calling you out on being egotistical morons?

untold nacelle
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?????????????????????

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we are asking you

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for any evidence for your claims

candid dust
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yeah im being a moron rn what about it

untold nacelle
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imagine you go to your doctor

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and you have some random guy they pulled off teh street

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whos finished school but not got a medicine degree

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are u gonna trust him

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his experience is ''ive helped myself get better from a few colds''

candid dust
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I could convince him

coral wolf
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None of the evidence you have given supports anything you've said, and if I was to given anything remotely similar, it wouldn't support anything I said. Time spent, experience and rank are just ego padding crutches people use to avoid actual conversation.

untold nacelle
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what

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how does it not support it

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i, as a darius one trick

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who was one of the best darius players in europe west

candid dust
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well we spent the full first part of the convo with actual conversation

untold nacelle
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with almost 900k points

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am telling you my experience

coral wolf
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Because time spent, experience and rank do not matter. You can be those things and utterly shit at the champ and the game.

untold nacelle
coral wolf
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One tricks are notorious at being bad at League as a whole and you're living proof of that.

untold nacelle
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you were the one saying ''but achually guys i was masters a few years ago you know 🤓 🤓 ''

candid dust
untold nacelle
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youre saying

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i dont know enough about my champ

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and only my champ

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because im a one trick

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and this makes you, someone whos plat 3 and mains jungle

candid dust
untold nacelle
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more qualified

coral wolf
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Pretty much, yeah

untold nacelle
candid dust
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HAHAHAHAHA

untold nacelle
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i cant man

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🤣

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like youve acc got me laughing now i rate it

candid dust
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this dab guy is a truth sayer

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im jealous

untold nacelle
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i fuckin cant with these ppl

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🤣 🤣

candid dust
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He knows more than you about your otp, obviously

coral wolf
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I'm more qualified for reason that won't mean a damn thing to you because you're obsessed with ego-padding points of conversation, but there's minimal reason to try and convince you otherwise. You'll rely on those ego crutches till the day you die, and you'll never get any better at the game because of it.

candid dust
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Despite being a full skill bracket lower

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And maining a DIFFERENT ROLE

untold nacelle
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say it

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one line

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what is your reason

coral wolf
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I know it sucks being told that all the time you've spent playing league doesn't mean shit and you're not better than your average shit stain, but if your just going to rely on ego crutches to support yourself, then you're already proving my point otherwise.

untold nacelle
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and that reason better not be ''because i went blue kayn into nasus kindred kayle sivir blitzcrank''

untold nacelle
candid dust
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What's the reason you're more qualified tho @coral wolf stop dodging

coral wolf
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I'm really not in the mood to repeat myself to someone who I hope is just drunk and not actually this mentally inept.

candid dust
untold nacelle
untold nacelle
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fine but not great

coral wolf
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If you can't read, I'm not going to bother. Have fun bathing in your grandiose delusions.

candid dust
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rhaast is really good rn

untold nacelle
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both forms are p good atm

candid dust
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the healing Sadge

untold nacelle
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what a jokeman

candid dust
untold nacelle
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i love it

coral wolf
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Cause I said it and it's going in one ear out the other. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's brain isn't working.

untold nacelle
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otherwise we wouldnt be asking

coral wolf
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uh huh

untold nacelle
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and ''because youre a one trick and im not'' isnt valid

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at all

candid dust
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you never said the reason

untold nacelle
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because im literally more than a whole tier above you

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so that reason is completely redundant

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no ego, but i do not accept that a plat 3 player has better game knowledge than me

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so i would pref if u didnt use that bollocks as a reason

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am i good player either? no. but im not using it as an argument in this context

cobalt axle
candid dust
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its cuz ur an otp and he probably plays 15 champs in ranked

untold nacelle
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we are wasting our time with this guy anyway

candid dust
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because he's so against otping

untold nacelle
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might as well just check back in a few hours and see if he pipes up again

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but its just as bait as anything else at this point

coral wolf
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There's not much point trying to convince someone who obsesses about rank and uses it as justification or an argument point when it's entirely irrelevant. You're trying to push your point solely off a fallacy.

If you're wrong, you're wrong, and you were speaking utter nonsense. Just because I don't live and breathe ranked anymore, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, and I know enough about League to know when I'm talking to someone who's experience does not speak for their skill or knowledge level very well.

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Cope and seethe, as they say. I'm sorry that your playtime and rank are your only real justifications for making an attempt at relevancy.

untold nacelle
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im trying to push my point based off being very qualified to do so

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i dont live and breathe ranked either tho lmao

coral wolf
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Certainly not for someone who believes that rank is the base for everything

untold nacelle
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you have even less than me

coral wolf
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From what little you know about me, sure

untold nacelle
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ANYTHING

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ANYTHING

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that is relevant

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to back yourself up

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youre full of shit mate

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why should someone believe what you say over me?

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thats all im asking

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youre constantly dodging the question and pointing the finger at someone else

coral wolf
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Because none of it would be good enough for you. I could tell you I've spent far more time studying League than actually playing it, and with how little I've played it, I was still able to achieve masters, but none of that would matter to you because you are far more focused on fallaciously debunking the person you're talking to rather than having anything resembling a decent conversation.

untold nacelle
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''studying league'' 🤣

coral wolf
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And this question I "dodged" is something I've answered multiple times; in multiple conversations.

untold nacelle
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i was also able to achieve masters

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on 2 roles

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in the last 2 seasons

coral wolf
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And see there you go, nothing I say would have been good enough for you.

untold nacelle
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you have a claim to it like 4 years ago

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no, its not good enough for me

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because i am one upping it

coral wolf
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You do realize how fallacies work, right?

untold nacelle
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you do realise how dumb youre making yourself look?

coral wolf
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Not a single thing you've said to me hasn't been a fallacy nor debunk anything I've said.

small bison
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I check the bottom of this post and I see people arguing about others' ranks

coral wolf
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You're literally just trying to flex your rank and pretend and hope that makes you more qualified when in reality, everyone out there knows that there are people who have significantly more game knowledge regardless of rank, and especially more so than shitty players who elo boost themselves by playing one or two champs because they don't fundamentally know how to play the game otherwise.

untold nacelle
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but you have ZERO evidence to prove you have more game knowledge

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i can agree... sometimes

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but not here

coral wolf
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And neither. Have. You.

untold nacelle
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yes i do

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im higher rank than you

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and i have much more experience with the champ

coral wolf
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Your rank is not evidence.

untold nacelle
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yes it is

coral wolf
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You wish it was, but it isn't.

untold nacelle
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🤣

coral wolf
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Your experience and your rank mean nothing, because you can be monumentally shit regardless.

raw sparrow
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ok

coral wolf
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And considering when any time I see you trying to argue anything in this server, it's almost always off the mark, so you've made it clear that's the type of person I'm talking to.

untold nacelle
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but your arguments go both ways

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who is to say you arent the msae

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same

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soz im in game atm

coral wolf
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The fact of the matter is, neither of us know enough about each other to make any sort of claim on the other person's knowledge or skill level outside of pure assumption, but yours specifically comes from a mute point that has no relevancy in the grand scheme of things, where I'm judging you based off the things you say.

small bison
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I think darius only needs number adjustments right now

untold nacelle
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but yeah you can literally say the same about yourself

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except there is less evidence

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you cannot look me in the eye

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and tell me a plat3 player is the same as a d2 player

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at all

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sure d2 is shit too

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but its not the same

coral wolf
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Again, you have zero evidence. I'm not sure where it's because you don't know what evidence is, or you're coping that hard believing rank means more than it actually does, but you're still speaking baseless nonsense.

untold nacelle
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my evidence

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is that i am a higher rank

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have 900k mastery

coral wolf
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Which isn't evidence

untold nacelle
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and was one of the best darius players

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on euw

coral wolf
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ON EUW LOL

small bison
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"That's a nice argument senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?"

untold nacelle
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ur na mate

coral wolf
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okay so now things make sense

small bison
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"My source is that I made it the fuck up."

untold nacelle
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but what im asking you

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WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE

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you have nothing

coral wolf
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It's a silly conversation about two people who have no source for anything but one person is insistent that their rank means more than it actually does.

untold nacelle
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rank 38 global

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if that makes u happier

untold nacelle
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like ur unbelievably brain damaged

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its insane

coral wolf
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You do realize that having a significant amount of play time nor rank does not count as evidence. It is just fallacious nonsense.

untold nacelle
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and im wasting my time with dogs like you

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fuck off

untold nacelle
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the fuck

small bison
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If you're rank 38 global then why don't you actually show your rank through a website or something

untold nacelle
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is your evidence

coral wolf
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I'm sorry you are so weak willed that you can't stand the idea that something your proud of has no real substance or meaning in a conversation when everything you say is off-base.

untold nacelle
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but

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where

coral wolf
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Smartest Darius main lole

untold nacelle
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is

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your

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evidence

coral wolf
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Where's yours?

untold nacelle
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RIGHT HERE

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what the fuck do you class as evidence then

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tell me

coral wolf
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That ain't evidence you dumb fuck

untold nacelle
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ur criteria

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fucking ape

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TELL ME

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WHAT IS THEN

coral wolf
#

I'm telling you repeatedly that it means nothing

small bison
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What are your guys' opinions

untold nacelle
coral wolf
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When you speak nonsense, your time spent doesn't mean anything. You debase any credibly you have when you speak utter bullshit.

small bison
#

It's a shame I don't have popcorn with me right now

coral wolf
#

And everything you've said regarding anything in terms of game knowledge is utter trash and off base, so sorry about that.

untold nacelle
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like holy fuck

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im getting

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brain damage

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reading what ur saying

coral wolf
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Sorry your ego is so fragile that you can't think otherwise.

untold nacelle
#

so if what i have sent

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isnt evidence

#

WHAT

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is evidence

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TELL ME NOW

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stop fucking diverting

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like some simple minded fuck

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and answer the fucking question

small bison
#

Yeah

coral wolf
#

I haven't diverted; I've addressed what you said. Your "evidence" means nothing in the grand scheme of things when the garbage that you spew is nothing but garbage.

untold nacelle
#

BUT

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WHAT

#

IS

small bison
#

What's your opinion on darius

untold nacelle
#

what would you accept

coral wolf
#

cool champ

small bison
#

That's one answer

untold nacelle
#

gimmie a bit

coral wolf
#

There is nothing I would accept from you, because my only impressions of you so far are saying utter nonsense.

untold nacelle
#

xd

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fuck off then

coral wolf
#

I may consider listening to you when you start being a bit more consistent about saying things that are actually somewhat correct, but that appears to be rather hard for you.

untold nacelle
#

no mate

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with respect

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fuck off

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i dont want some ape to listen to me

coral wolf
#

I won't. You've hounded me from the beginning about garbage that doesn't matter, and 'm gonna keep hounding you that your garbage truly doesn't matter.

small bison
#

@untold nacelle With all due respect, answer the question

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What is your opinion on darius right now

untold nacelle
#

im in game

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i cant write a paragraph

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but

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needs r dmg nerfs

small bison
#

Then why are you arguing right now

untold nacelle
#

q tanking buffs

coral wolf
#

Your egotistical fallacious reasoning is nothing but a trash mindset that will keep you as one of the most garbage players in League regardless of how much time you spend playing or what rank you end up being.

untold nacelle
#

fuck off mate

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nobody cares

coral wolf
#

The plethora of garbage people in D2 speaking volumes for what your rank actually means.

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Typical egotistical D2 shit stain.

untold nacelle
#

there is no ego

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i have admitted multiple times

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i am not a good player

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and im not as good as i was

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but im saying

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you are spouting

coral wolf
# small bison Then why are you arguing right now

Mostly just because every time he gets confronted about being wrong, which is more than half of what he says in this server, he just starts bringing up his rank and play time with the champ in question as if it meaned anything, which unfortunately for him, it doesn't.

untold nacelle
#

complete bollocks

coral wolf
#

You certainly wish I was, don't you?

untold nacelle
#

well

#

WHAT

#

does

#

mean anything

#

tell me

#

IN CLEAR WORDS

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stop diverting

#

and tell me

coral wolf
#

It's easier to insult me and my rank when both are mere fallacies that do not push your attempted point in the slightest?

untold nacelle
#

tell me

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what means something then

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and dont say nothing

coral wolf
#

You have nothing to argue; all you have are fallacies.

wary fern
#

@untold nacelle as a g1 yas main who is clearly more knowledgeable than you because i play a variety of champs… you are wrong

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because rank and experience means nothing

coral wolf
#

hahahahaha

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I'm pretty sure he just got banned or timed out for saying something he shouldn't have

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Good riddance

wary fern
#

yeah he got timed out

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for a typo

small bison
wary fern
small bison
#

The more experience you have, the more knowledgeable you are

coral wolf
#

That is sadly not the case. Playing something frequently can often simply cement your mistakes and your view when those views were wrong from the get-go. I'm not saying experience is completely irrelevant, but what I am saying is that it doesn't make the fundamental basis of someone's argument; not when there are plenty of people out there who spend their life playing League, got to Diamond purely out of a time investment, but still don't have shit for game knowledge.

#

This is very frequently the case for one trick ponies.

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Fact of the matter is, I am not any less knowledgeable than him just because I let my account elo decay from masters/diamond and no longer spend all my free time playing ranked anymore.

wary fern
coral wolf
#

...and considering he speaks nothing but nonsense all the time; it's rather easy for me to assume I know quite a lot more than he does, but hey, there's simply no way for me to prove that.

wary fern
#

you agree with blight on every point he makes

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making your opinion irrelevant

coral wolf
#

huh

wary fern
#

arguement over

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blightknight90 take vs chad darius player take

coral wolf
#

who the fuck is blight

small bison
#

@supple root

coral wolf
#

???????

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I have argued AGAINST that guy; since when have I been agreeing with every point he makes

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what world are yall living in

small bison
#

The world called reality and Earth

wary fern
coral wolf
#

That is incorrect

wary fern
#

man now ur skewing reality too

coral wolf
#

The only time I've even talked to him in memory is when I was disagreeing with him

wary fern
#

nope

coral wolf
#

yep

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yall can throw all the bullshit you want at me and I'll swat it down every time until you start saying shit that actually has some substance

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Cause not a single thing any of you have said hasn't been fallacious in nature

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It's just a bunch of baseless shit slinging

small bison
#

Woah

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A creative insult

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Can't wait to see more of those in the future

coral wolf
#

It's less of an insult and more of a description of what you're doing

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You want to believe that fallacious and baseless comments drive your point home further than it actually does

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When all it does is further the idea that you're talking out of your ass

#

I attempted to have a normal conversation, but you all resorted to fallacious retorts when I disagreed rather than attempting to further a normal conversation, so I'm going to insult you back and call out your baseless and fallacious garbage. That's how these things go.

gloomy pike
#

Honestly Darius needs buff

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Needs more mobility to not get kited

rustic steeple
#

i remember when darius wasnt as op as he is now

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fun times

undone ore
#

he isnt really op

rustic steeple
#

i play adc and everytime i go agaist darius, my toplaner loses so idk

small bison
#

Champs should have both strengths and weaknesses

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So I don't think he should get more mobility

alpine spear
#

I'm low-key convinced Dab is Blight's alias

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and he prob argues with himself in these threads

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I get the whole "studying league" thing cause there's a lot of like pro team coaches that haven't made it out of bronze but you're literally arguing with someone that has hundreds of hours into something with proven results and providing no counterpoints

untold nacelle
#

aight now we are un timed out

untold nacelle
#

with your logic, there is nothing to suggest that you have more knowledge than me

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about the game nor the champ

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if me being substantially higher rank, more experienced with the champ or whatever is completely redundant

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which, according to you, it is

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this simply puts us on a level playing field

untold nacelle
#

and then you starting spouting bollocks

supple root
wary fern
supple root
#

The only reason they disagree with me is because

“I’m higher elo then this pathetic gold player, he must be a ffing idiot. My website knows best even tho I probably don’t even know why this champion is ranked here or why they are performing well”

#

Even tho I’ve literally stated why this champion is good or isn’t good

#

Multiple times

#

Yet they keep going back too “your gold with everything”

#

Here’s few things I’ve predicted that game true. That are happening this patch

#

Rumble mid is popping off “I said it was a sleeper pick everyone forgot about”

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Master yi with sunfire was broken

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Oh look it’s running around the rift

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But remember I’m gold you should never consider a single thing I say. “Predicted the future lol so must still be wrong”.

They will listen to their websites to death

candid dust
#

Not to suck him off but Lou is one of the top EUW Darius players

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if anybody knows Darius then it's none of us and it's him

#

its not him listening to his websites to death its him being very experienced on his champ wtf ?? ?

supple root
#

yet i literallly said in this post

#

dar needs buffs

candid dust
#

o i missed that mb

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dar needs some healthy changes

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his ult change was not good

#

it makes him better vs good matchups and the exact same vs bad matchups (really bad)

supple root
#

the recent change to his R it got 25 dmg all ranks

candid dust
#

They buffed the base damage a few months ago

#

That's the one

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it's a bad change

supple root
#

how?

#

a buff that didnt bring him back doesnt mean its a bad change

candid dust
#

Cuz I already explained it makes his good matchups better and doesn't affect his bad matchups. It's unhealthy champ design for a champ to stomp good matchups and get stomped in hard ones

#

That buff pushes him more in that direction

supple root
#

well yeah

#

hes a juggernaut

#

a lot of champions

#

exploit his class

candid dust
#

yea but the solution is 100% not to buff his good matchups and leave him useless vs his hard ones

#

Enforces counter pick meta

supple root
#

enforcers?

candid dust
#

It enforces counter pick meta

supple root
#

who are enforcers?

candid dust
#

????????

little sky
#

Darius is not great rn

#

I hardly pick him

#

and hes my main

#

I will only win games with people who woulda lost top generally anyways

#

if he has to build anything but damage early, his farm game and ability to miss cs is so high

untold current
little sky
#

Yorrick

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beep bop throw bottle

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wanna walk up for cs get cage and booped

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cannot contest yorrick damage cause Q wont reach far enough

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even if I manage a pull auto reset auto

#

he can walk backwards through his w and free damage me

#

my Q will NOT kill his minions

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and his sustain is so high that any trades are losing for me

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my only answer for yorrick is going urgot

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since urgot W goes brr and insta kills his minions

untold current
little sky
#

irelia would work too if I played her

untold current
#

renetkon, yone, sett

little sky
#

still I prefer nice juggernauts over her

untold current
#

all those counter yorick

little sky
#

ren just big bully early gamer regardless

#

but this is good food for thought

#

if i want to step off demoralizing him with urgot

#

I also wont play wind shitters

untold current
#

So Darius is not good bcs of Yorick only you think?

#

While I do agree Yorick counters Darius well, the champion is almost never picked and almost nobody plays it

little sky
#

Darius loses to ranged matchups if they're competent

untold current
little sky
#

he also has a effect of the user being more easily and readily able to be ganked by jungler

#

due to mentals

untold current
little sky
#

you KNOW you are bully, and they know they can probably get you to overstep

#

im also in low elo so my jungler

#

is never going to be topside

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these situations ruin darius play for me

untold current
little sky
#

if I face anyone that knows how darius shenanigans work, they won't give me the chance to get two kills

untold current
#

We both play a different game since high elo vs low elo is a completely different experience

little sky
#

yup

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high elo is extremely early game dependent and you usually can rely on a jungler to make moves

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for me it is about gaining and holding a lead at all costs

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and banking on the enemy team committing too much to anywhere else that isnt where im at

untold current
#

im just piss chillin with ornn lvl 6 oneshotting

little sky
#

ornn decimates me

#

wow look at me im fat and tanky

untold current
#

ornn vs darius is a skill matchup

little sky
#

also tonsa damagfe

#

well tbh vs ornn I usually win if dar

#

but he might

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annoy me so much

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that I try him on his tower or near it

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just because he can do what he wants and can chill on his tower and still hold cs

untold current
#

As darius vs ornn, you will rush mercurys boots and he cant kill u anymore

little sky
#

of course

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but im gonna be baited to being overextended cause patience

#

i want action but hes big chillin

untold current
#

you are making it sound like enemy junglers are faker

little sky
#

you forget im literally in smurf que

#

its a coinflip dice roll

untold current
#

how are you in smurfq

little sky
#

on if I have a great jungler on enemy team or not

#

people dont get that lower elos have a massive volatility in playerbase and smurfs and angry higher elo players love messing around in these ques

#

even pro coaches like neace said he cant even carry in low

#

its legit a nightmare landscape

#

so many variables

#

you really can't account for

#

you either know about it and have played in it or you just think it doesnt exist

untold current
#

You said you are in low elo, whats your rank exactly?

#

so I know precisely

little sky
#

my only major advice from pro players and high ranks is

#

make a new account

#

my account is from season 0

#

so im hardstuck silver

#

i gain 10 lp for a win

#

lose 21 for a loss

untold current
#

how many games did u play this season and whats ur winrate

little sky
#

my wr right now i think was near 60

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but im still hardstuck cause lol

#

lose two in a row need 4 to even go even

untold current
#

60 winrate overall not just in recent games?

little sky
untold current
untold current
little sky
#

I mean sure go ahead and say the old shit

untold current
#

i dont wanna sugercoat

little sky
#

I've got higher elo players who do boosting and have multiple accounts play on my account and they gave up trying to climb on it

#

too volatile

untold current
little sky
#

it tilts high elo players cause they expect their teamates to behave certain ways

#

they legit break their mentals

#

trying to play the way they usually do

#

like my eve jungler friend

#

stomps very much

#

on all his accounts

#

but he loses his shit

#

playing in my games

#

in 'higher' elo you literally are playing a different game

#

because you can expect a lot of follow up

untold current
#

then ur high elo players are trash, my friend gave me his old account that he doesn't play on anymore and got him from hardstuck silver 4 to platinum 4 in 1 week

little sky
#

people in low / smurf can and will literally ping, ult in, and randomly turn around

#

just because you have examples where some accounts you play have seen success does not discount other players experiences

#

stop being an elitist prick

#

its the same as trump saying he had no money and still has big money now

#

no empathy and self ego patting

untold current
#

Why the fuck did you bring politics into this lmaoo

little sky
#

doesnt get the discussion anywhere

#

all you did was just say im bad / coping

untold current
#

just bcs u cant get out of silver, all of that

little sky
#

typical dumb ego shit

#

whatever man, your input is pointless go masturbate somewhere else

#

dumbass middle aged wanna be emo kid

stable adder
#

ranked climbing goes differently for everyone lol, dunno why were bashing each other over this

little sky
#

fuckin lookin like edward cullens stupid off brand cousin

untold current
#

Damn I got u heated

#

get that +11, -21

little sky
#

I tried to have a discussion and you can only look down on me and my situation and then humble brag about how you can do better

untold current
#

you got it boss

little sky
#

real useful

#

typical pointless

untold current
#

i tried to get at the bottom of why do oyu have such low gains of LP, but you didnt say how many games u played

stable adder
#

i had a lot of troubles with gold elo + silver elo and smooth sailing outside of that during my ranked climb to diamond, playing in lower elos is just genuinely harder for higher elo players at times because some dont understand how lower elo players think, their actions become surprising and their decisions catch you off guard, which means hitting skillshots is harder vs lower elo f.e. because they move weirdly compared to higher elo players.

#

theres truly no reason for this petty childness

untold current
stable adder
#

yes, in general they should

#

correct

untold current
#

then why she is coping so hard thinking that high elo players had problem on her account => its not her fault

#

she is just hardstuck

stable adder
#

but sometimes its still difficult to do certain things that can impact the game in a proper way, especially if you dont know how to play in low elo

#

playing in low elo is just confusing sometimes but you learn to adapt over time

#

thats what games are

#

adapt and overcome

untold current
stable adder
#

though, its harder for some than it is for others, as it doesnt come as easily for others

untold current
#

if her account is from season 0

stable adder
#

well

#

i cant say much as i dont know how cursed her account possibly is or if shes just hardcore capping

untold current
#

she is just piss hardstuck and flaming everything other than herself

#

unlucky

stable adder
#

but people can and do just get insanely unlucky or lucky at times and can fuck their accounts mmr and lp gains

untold current
#

and u just got unlucky

little sky
#

I didnt even say I think I can do better

#

I even stated my issue with my darius games was my own mentality

#

and that I would overextend

#

due to impatience

#

i never once egod and said im so good i deserve challenger

#

you put all that on me as if I did

untold current
little sky
#

I didnt say I deserve to be any higher

#

I only stated difficulties climbing and experiences others have had playing in my elo / my own account

untold current
#

in conclusion

little sky
#

so in conclusion I told you I was low elo, stated that we do have d ifferent games and experiences, and that I was just talking about how my circumstances were hard, and all you did was say lol its ez i can do better, cope

#

so again, like I said, theres a reason for me to be annoyed

#

when trying to have a proper discussion

#

I didnt attack you nor show any ego

#

and you just have to belittle me

untold current
#

Ok, let's just say that I did indeed belitle you about a game. Now since you are so omega pissed u go after my looks instead of my ego? 💀

#

That kinda shows a lot about you

#

i didnt say you have too much makeup on your face

#

i said ur hardstuck

little sky
#

No, after you showed obvious hostility and a horrible mindset when it came to just talking about a game, I decided I didn't really care for your input anymore and told you to stop being an ugly guy with a horrid camera angle

#

:O

untold current
stable adder
#

though, for me climbing was fairly simple as I played warwick with a carry related build that scaled for my climb, i made it to d4 without much issue outside of most my loses being in gold or silver and still having an around 71% wr at that time
playing other champions that dont have the ability to carry, just isnt their style of play, etc can effect a games outcome, champ, player, players mentality, and genuinely luck on your teams skill and own mentality. Plenty of games can be won 4v5 but that comes down to champ diff or enemy skill being much lower than your own teams. and that can go vice versa obviously as well.
Though i guess my main point is that people struggle in specific elos sometimes. If this person thinks they deserve to be higher than what they are, they could likely play in a few higher elo games and see how their impact is and how well they do in lane vs actual players, etc. it proves plenty of what a player is capable of att times, though unfortunately it isnt as easy as that, but still.

#

Either way, just putting in my two cents on that matter.

untold current
#

good luck in your endeavors

stable adder
#

as for the champion darius needing nerfs, he could probably use a nerf or two but you cant gut top laners since in order to be impactful as a top laner you need to have an overloaded kit or be broken to be meta in that role due to how useless the role itself is.

candid dust
keen grove
#

wow this guy is flaming someone bc he his low elo that's so cool man

candid dust
#

ur the one coping stop the cope pls ✋

untold current
candid dust
#

ur jealous of these high functioning players

untold current
#

cause thats her only point

candid dust
#

Big brain

#

im giga shit posting btw

untold current
stable adder
#

It does seem a bit egotistical from what they are saying, but idk if theyre just wording it rlly badly or theyre just genuinely a really cursed account since a few do unfortunately exist, so kinda just talking from without bias and using my own experience with ranked in the past as reference zzz

#

though, attacking how someone looks is kinda

#

cringe

#

xd

candid dust
untold current
candid dust
#

ty

candid dust
stable adder
#

💀

candid dust
#

if i was challenger then id actually succeed in life

#

Curse you riot

stable adder
#

i dont mean in that hardcore of a sense

#

but yea

candid dust
#

riot hates me on a personal level and is dead set on making me unable unable to climb

#

riotaugust is targeting my accounts with inters

untold current
stable adder
#

now youre just talking like tyler1

untold current
#

im a victim

candid dust
#

same

stable adder
#

lol

candid dust
stable adder
#

so true king.

candid dust
#

hes a shitty player id beat him 1v1 on any champ 😩

#

draven 1v1

untold current
candid dust
#

tytyty

untold current
#

teach him with your warwick top barrier ignite

#

for sure enemy wins 1v1

candid dust
#

real

#

thanks allied summoner

stable adder
#

not the warwick top

#

abuse warwick mid actual freelo /srs

candid dust
#

if anybody calls me bad ill just explain to them that elo hell exists and thats why im hard stuck

#

That'll definitely get me women.

stable adder
#

who needs women, just get men

untold current
candid dust
#

true

stable adder
#

men will understand the pain of my league of legends suffering, then we can have epic gay intercourse and game on the rift together after

#

like true gaymers

candid dust
#

yeah bro league is really all about having fun with the boys

#

all kinds of fun

untold current
stable adder
candid dust
untold current
candid dust
#

im about to lose rn

#

lose my league of legends mental what else would i be losing?

stable adder
#

youre about to lose your egirl thats just a man league of legends discord kitten to a hecarim top player going 20/1

untold current
candid dust
#

nooooo but i want my uwu kitten egirl yuumi main

#

hecarim yuumi cheese is for betas

#

real league gamers play heimerdinger jungle

coral wolf
candid dust
#

next level insanity

coral wolf
#

I mean that's cool that you think that bud, but also I don't care

candid dust
#

zzz edgy

#

ok well enjoy ur vtubers

coral wolf
#

I just came looking for a normal conversation about one of my favorite games, but what I got was a bunch of fallacious comments when I disagreed with something.

#

That's not a very fun, productive or engaging conversation to have with someone.

#

It's one thing to disagree, as it is your right to, but when you're not satisfied with simply disagreeing and feel the need to bring rank, experience and other fallacious reasoning to justify that your opinion is right, that's when the conversation becomes more cumbersome than entertaining.

untold current
#

She thinks its her teammates and her LP gains getting to her

#

not her overall skill

coral wolf
#

Quite a lot of this thread feels like heavy cope

untold current
#

damn she insecure af about her ingame skill

prisma spindle
#

darius is so incredibly unfun to play against rn lmao

#

he buys tabis into any ad champ and can ignore half of their dmg

untold current
#

he rushes it

#

since he doesnt need dmg items early

coral wolf
untold current
coral wolf
#

I'm talking about them not you.

untold current
#

thank fucking god

prisma spindle
#

he's a statcheck champ

#

and after dura patch stat check champs just got stronger

untold current
#

his lane bullies suck ass

#

and u cannot burst him

prisma spindle
#

gp barley b eats him now

coral wolf
# untold current thank fucking god

It goes both ways; both people who cope about being low rank and people who think that high rank and experience means much, much more than it actually does tend to have very fragile constitutions, in which case, a healthy discussion cannot be had.

untold current
#

ill agree to this one

coral wolf
#

The worst part about climbing the ranks is that people are too headstrong to take anything resembling criticism or any insinuation that they did something wrong lol

prisma spindle
#

there's just so much ego around

#

everyone knows the game differently

coral wolf
#

And then it peaks at like D2 where cope, ego and pride is at it's worst lol

#

D2 games...

prisma spindle
#

players in silver will think they're better than diamond players and diamond will think they're higher and shit like that but when you compare the ego diamond player they're really just an inflated plat player or plays solely 0 skill champs

untold current
#

disgusting place

#

what happened in this thread is nothing in what happens on EUW D1

prisma spindle
#

all of diamond is a shit show lmao

coral wolf
#

One reason I'm not exactly too enthusiastic about getting my old rank back anymore. Dealing with egotistical diamond or even master players is just a headache.

#

Maybe the elo decay was a good thing.

prisma spindle
#

it just becomes unfun after a point

#

i don't grind ranked anymore for the reason i just play with friends and have fun on the game

coral wolf
#

I've started playing norms a lot more, personally

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I enjoy League but ranked can really suck the fun out of things

prisma spindle
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like seeing the johnny guy or whatever his game was have a mental breakdown of not hitting chall at the end of the season was just sad to watch

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willing to pay $500 for enemy to int it

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crying when someone dodged games or picked troll champs

coral wolf
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yeesh

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That man does not have much in his life does he?

untold current
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if u put so much into something, its understandable

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somewhat

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i would be pissed but not liek him lmao

coral wolf
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I made that mistake several years ago and it's not something I'm gonna do again because it ruined my enjoyment of the game. League is just a hobby to me now.

prisma spindle
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he hit chall earlier but didn't end it

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he ended rank 302

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if he ended game 2 minutesa earlier he'd be chall

untold current
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his game was legendary

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one of the most funny moments ever

prisma spindle
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yeah but there's no diff to me of hitting chall and ending chall

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but in the end i haven't hit it but don't care enough to try more

untold current
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highest peak 240+- LP so far, getting grandmaster is hard af, if u hit something so high like grandmaster (700lp), you for sure wanna keep it

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hitting something like challenger is inconceivable to me, if I did hit it, i would 100% wanna keep it

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its like imagine trying to create some kind of beautiful art, you spend weeks on it and when u finish it, you dont wanna let it go to the dumpster

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you wanna keep it

supple root
candid dust
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darius uses ghost because hes completely fucking irrelevant without it

prisma spindle
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literally ust nerf his armor slightly and it'll be fine

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he just got too strong dura patch bc he got tankier but he doesn't lose too much bc he excels in longer fights with passive

candid dust
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u want dar NERFED?

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huh

prisma spindle
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it's so unfun to play vs him rn

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0 interaction

candid dust
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theres plenty of interaction you just suck

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stop eating his cooldowns

prisma spindle
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i win every pre6 vs darius

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it's just not fun bc even if i get a 2 kill lead a single pull kills me past 6

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and he can eat 2 barrels and passives before even starting the fight and still win

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the only way to win is if he plays it real bad and misses q

elfin garnet
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This whole chat

supple root
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@prisma spindle congrats you just learned darius isnt a free match up

prisma spindle
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woah thanks for telling me my champ

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and it's a skill matchup

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up to gp if he has better movement or not but with current darius gp just has to poke him down and all in at low enough hp to one shot him with passive and ignite

fading dirge
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what happened in this thread lol

prime trench
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blightknight happened

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he's a rat.

untold current
supple root
supple root
prime trench
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IGN: BlightKnight90 — Today at 6:57 AM
The only reason they disagree with me is because

“I’m higher elo then this pathetic gold player, he must be a ffing idiot. My website knows best even tho I probably don’t even know why this champion is ranked here or why they are performing well”
Even tho I’ve literally stated why this champion is good or isn’t good
Multiple times
Yet they keep going back too “your gold with everything”
Here’s few things I’ve predicted that game true. That are happening this patch
Rumble mid is popping off “I said it was a sleeper pick everyone forgot about”
Master yi with sunfire was broken
Oh look it’s running around the rift
But remember I’m gold you should never consider a single thing I say. “Predicted the future lol so must still be wrong”.

They will listen to their websites to death

supple root
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i wasnt dab xam and rogue goin at it for like 40 minutes

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and this perfectly describes you skolver

fading dirge
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D:

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love these mald threads tbh

supple root
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yeah they been malding for a while

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gotta teach them some of their own medicine every bit

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and hit them with hard facts

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that isnt on a website they looked at once

fading dirge
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the hard facts lmao

supple root
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senna i have a question for you.

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have you seen rumbles win rate mid?

fading dirge
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no

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who gives a damn about rumble

supple root
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except the pro players and high elo players that spammed him mid before his mini rework

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"THEIRS THE EQUALIZER"

fading dirge
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ah yes, 0.5% of the playerbase

supple root
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and notice how its a 53% winrate atm

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want to know how long

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rumble has been in this state even though everyone forgot about him?

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since the durability update

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it was big win for him

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and the champions played mid lane atm

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he hard bullys

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i wonder who saw this coming before everyone realise it

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this guy

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not like he was a lane bully before his jungle presence and when they took him out. People assumed he was dead.

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thats not even true

fading dirge
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just ban rumble

cobalt axle
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^

prisma spindle
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rumble got worse with dura patch

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bc he mainly builds burst?

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more mr was added to the game mages as a whole did not benefit

candid dust
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nobody plays rumble bro

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1.6% pick rate

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50.02% wr at plat+

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wait his win rate goes up go 53-52% at d2+ and mas+ but still he has 1.6% pick rate so 💤

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i personally dont care about rumble like at all, there are bigger fish to fry

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QIYANA

keen grove
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Qiyana already got nerf I think she's fine now

candid dust
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i mean shes getting nerfed in the next patch 12.15 but atm she is giga turbo busted