#Kat Laning Phase

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rose topaz
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Well ever since the tp changes Kat has been really garbage

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Cause you no longer can just go to a random fight get a triple kill come back to lane be a level up on your 0/0 lane oponent with no counterplay

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So

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I don’t have anything to say except tough luck

ionic shadow
rose topaz
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Did they buff her actually, I remmeber she had certain builds that were still strong

ionic shadow
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she got buff on 12.12 and she's played ap

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but maybe know the champ before saying that she is garbage :/

astral oasis
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they made her ad ratios lower

ionic shadow
rose topaz
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Brother I’m literally a mid laner every time I face this champion I just the think the lane phase looks unplayable if enemy is human and playing the right champion

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Certain melee matchups for Kat are interesting

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But besides that I don’t think the champion is very good, unless you are playing against the worst players ever in which pop off king go farm your mejais

ionic shadow
ionic shadow
rose topaz
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lol

coarse kettle
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I find it extra hard to lane with kat, even though i think of myself as a decent kat. I always either go 0/0 or go negative and then late game i always carry. Can anyone help me out?

ember bramble
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a main kat once told me, going 0/0 is winning the laning phase as kat

coarse kettle
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hahaha fair enough

meager vine
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need leads

hasty loom
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Not in lane for kat tbf

honest lava
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Katarina has very hard early game on lane

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So you should focus on roaming with jungler to get kills

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If you lose hard in farm - thats normal on katarina

astral oasis
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if bad matchup, just farm under tower and grab CS with Q then level six or when the enemy recalls roam to top or bot and get advantage that way

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if its a good matchup then you can snowball

civic sun
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u have to build scaling items

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like qiyana has to basically go first strike eclipse muramana grudge everygame

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to stay relevant

meager vine
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qiyana was one of the least effected assassins by the patch because she does a lot of % dmg and overkills a fuck ton

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assassins in general need a lead to stay relevant

civic sun
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i disagree

meager vine
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mid has been screwed since dura patch tbh

civic sun
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u can build scaling on assassins now

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wth first strike

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with

meager vine
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mages became even worse and assassins became weak

civic sun
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ekko does it even though he alr overkills

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and has % dmg

meager vine
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first strike is only good if you can reliably proc it

civic sun
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talon does

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first strike is good in general

meager vine
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just had 2 ekkos first fs get a lead and struggle to kill adc lmao

civic sun
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bcuz ekko is a hard late game

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ap assassin

meager vine
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you don't need late game when you're 6/0 at 15 min

civic sun
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6/0 doesnt give u 3+ items

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unfortunately

meager vine
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he really only needs mythic and lich bane

civic sun
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he needs rabadons

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xd

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and nashors

astral oasis
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Not to one shot adcs

civic sun
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no cap

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and is extremely op

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i love that champ

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73% wr in solo q

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with it

astral oasis
meager vine
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he's the best first strike user

civic sun
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i dont use first strike on him

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i spam phase rush

meager vine
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it literally makes more sense to use fs on him than on assassins

civic sun
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sorcery better rune page for him

meager vine
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he gets free procs

civic sun
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to have

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as main

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because it gives u

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manaflow

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transcendence

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and

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gathering storm

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which is insane

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then u can go boots bicsuits or futures market

meager vine
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i only really take sorc tree when they match my range or i need ms to escape stuff

civic sun
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imo

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phase rush should be base rune

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the extra gold is only worth when u start one shotting

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which u alr have'

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3+ items

meager vine
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fs just gives a lot of gold if you're able to proc it a lot

civic sun
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idk i main viktor so these are my viktor main opinions

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you're able to proc it a lopt

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of

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one E

meager vine
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but pr is just better in most cases of fights

civic sun
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which like

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5 gold

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early

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and later like

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15

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20

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max like

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50

meager vine
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it scales hard mid

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pr imo is just a better carry rune and has more prio early

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you have more mana from manaflow band and are able to stack it for a better late game if you ever hit 6 items as fs will become a useless rune then

civic sun
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yea honestly is preference

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i just prefer being able to run around

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and kite

meager vine
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i'm like 50/50 on which one i take it's just game depedent for me

civic sun
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buys me time for E and shit

meager vine
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if i can freely poke i take fs but if i need to carry and need ms i go pr

civic sun
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sometimes i be going

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viktor phase rush

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with

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ghost

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for MAXIMUM KITE

meager vine
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i forgot the name of the vid but the korean viktor dodging everything was amazing

civic sun
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love his design

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but same lanes are just impossible to play

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even with phase rush

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like yasuo is disgusting

meager vine
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it's a playable lane but it's super hard to use w properly

civic sun
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i just always get ran down

meager vine
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heres the vid

civic sun
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oh yea i forgot to mention

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i never go cosmic drive

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which is another reason

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why i go

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phase rush

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cuz i dont get cosmic drive speed

meager vine
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same

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ihate mages being turned to cdr

civic sun
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i find liandrys ludens into shadow flame lich

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rlly good

meager vine
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i'd rather do more burst and damage than have more sustained

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i'd always just go liandrys/ludens into lich for dmg

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i haven't played viktor in like a month or two

civic sun
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my full build

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almost every game

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goes

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ludens/liandrys, shadow, mejais, lich, rabadons

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and obviously an early game dark seal buy

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but mejais is a must on viktor

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every game

meager vine
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everytime i buy dark seal i always end up inting the stacks and playing worselmao

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i have a curse with it

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idk how good shadowflame is anymore as well but i only really built it into squishy comps and 3rd item

civic sun
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i only build it for extra rabadon dmg

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sometimes i swap for staff

ionic shadow
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don't forget that kata is late game and teamfight champion it's ok to never kill ennemy midlaner

coarse kettle
leaden canyon
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specially now w the ad nerfs her early is even worse