#Ganking mobile champs

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wanton thorn
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I’m struggling with successful ganks on mobile mid and sometimes top laners. I’m mostly thinking about Yasuo, Katarina, Yone, Fizz, Jax and Zed. Most of these are played mid, so for top it’s the ones listed here that can go in top and then champs like Trynda and Nasus who can make it out in time. Some ganks are easy bc of the champion (Kayn, Heca, Eve) but I’m struggling with other junglers. Even if it’s smarter to keep my jgl pool low, it’s nice to know how to gank with more immobile junglers or against mobile champions.
Any tips or recommendations for junglers to learn how to generally gank those type of champs?

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For bot lane; I usually play in a duo sometimes trio who play bot so it’s easiest to set up a gank.

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Forcing flash but not getting a kill is good, right? And if you’re able to prevent the enemy laner from getting CS while they’re ahead, so your teammate can farm freely for a bit, is good as well?

cosmic cipher
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forcing flashes is good

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if there are lanes like ezreal and soraka it's generally not worth trying to gank them unless they're extremely overextended

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for things like zed it's easy as all you need is for your laner to bait their w

wanton thorn
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I’ll keep that in mind Ty

boreal raven
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@wanton thorn if a lane doesnt seem gankable to you, maybe dont gank it

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look for other lanes that you know dont have mobility / flash etc

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some lanes are hard to gank if enemy has sums and you dont/your laner doesnt

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and i guess part of the skill of league is to know when its good to pressure/gank a lane

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and when not too

cloud maple
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what if evry lanes have good escapes D;

wanton thorn
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So if a lane is falling behind and it’s hard to gank, should I ignore it at all?

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Maybe counter ganks but that’s it

wanton thorn
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No idea xd I’ll give all lanes a try

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See if they’re out of position

cloud maple
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i have hard time ganking with teemo

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especialy early game when i have 0 movement or atk speed to chase and proc runes/deal any dmg

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sometimes lanes have good escape, or they can shit on me before i get to their range

wanton thorn
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Well then you farm until your gank tool is available/powerspike items

cloud maple
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and i'm always wondering, is it worth to wait long long time for good opportunity or should i just farm my early game, else i just get all my camp stolen, since most jungle clear way faster

wanton thorn
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It’s what I do with some jglers when I don’t feel like I’ll be useful before R

wanton thorn
cloud maple
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yes

wanton thorn
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Hmmm

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I saw a vid on it

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It said it was the right play even though it’s better that they should’ve farmed if they wanted to scale or move on

cloud maple
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problem is, even if i wait most of the time i'm so slow that reaching a champ that used to dash in is difficult

wanton thorn
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I’d say no but if you see an opportunity wait for a little bit, recall, and while recalling see if an opportunity rises

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Don’t take this advise too serious I still get jungle diffed more often than I’d like

wanton thorn
cloud maple
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it's midlane and botlane i have issue with

wanton thorn
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I’d say it works against an engage support in bot, wait for a hook then 3v2

cloud maple
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top is okeish i'd say

wanton thorn
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It’s always goood to help bot lane cause if you help them win a fight you can take free drag

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In the best scenario there top can take herald and then the enemy jgl has a choice

cloud maple
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bot is an issue, cause chance on both enemies they have range ability that lock/slow and it's over

wanton thorn
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I don’t play Teemo but I know that struggle

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Me playing Kayn is easy mode in bot lane when they overcommit or overstay but yes I think Viego can be similar to Teemo gank wise?

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Small ms boost but he’s invisible with it

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For bot lane it’s good to make them waste flash

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You can scare them as Teemo with blind like I do with Viego W stun

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9/10 times they use flash if I was able to stun them and take out a big chunk of health

cloud maple
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yeah sadly blind dosn't scare anyone

wanton thorn
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Adcs are mostly AA champs so they have no dos

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Dps*

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If your adc can follow up with free AAs on them I’d say its worth

boreal raven
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you have to realise when a lane is gankable and when it isnt, or when counter-ganking is, etc

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you cant make threads like these

wanton thorn
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Why not?

boreal raven
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and expect some 'game changing advice'

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because thats not how league works

wanton thorn
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It’s not that it’s just tips

boreal raven
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how can someone accurately tell you how to play such a dynamic game?

wanton thorn
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See if this happens to other people and they have a way to get around it

boreal raven
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then they rank up,, ?

wanton thorn
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Wdym

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Rank up?

boreal raven
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when you learn things about the game that other people on the enemy team dont

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you will progress in ranks

wanton thorn
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Yes

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That’s what I’m asking for

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Maybe I worded it wrong like there’s some secret game changing jungle path or play you can do

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But I know that’s not a thing

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Adapt your own style into enemies but if I struggle with something I’ll ask for help if there is

boreal raven
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but the question you asked if very dynamic

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there isnt a real answer

wanton thorn
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But what is an answer if there is any

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Legit just ignore the lane or try to invade jgl so they should try to 2v1 you and then your mid joins

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I’m just saying things I can think of

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Not that it’s smart

cosmic cipher
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teemo ganks aren't similar to viego

wanton thorn
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But things that’ll help prevent or help me understand how to adapt

cosmic cipher
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teemo doesn't have cc while viego does

wanton thorn
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True

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But the engage is sorta similar

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Speed boost towards enemies after that it’s different but other jglers don’t have that

cosmic cipher
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u can see teemo waddling at you but viego has the wall invis so you don't know exactly where he is tbh

wanton thorn
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Usually a dash or nothing at all but set up

wanton thorn
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I wanted to make a comparison to a jungler I understand to make it easier

cosmic cipher
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you can just run away from a teemo but not really a viego because he can stun you and catch you with r

boreal raven
wanton thorn
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Nope

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Morue does they asked me a q

wanton thorn
cosmic cipher
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you can't really gank mobile champs that easily at the end of the day unless they're overextended or burned their mobility

boreal raven
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so

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what is ur question / tip you want

wanton thorn
cosmic cipher
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you can chunk them or force a flash

boreal raven
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if you read your thread title, if you think about it, its kinda hard to answer

wanton thorn
cosmic cipher
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but ganking a mobile bot lane is pretty useless

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bot is the hardest lane to gank

boreal raven
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you gotta learn urself when its correct to gank/pressure/skirmish as a jungler etc

wanton thorn
cosmic cipher
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the game is too grey for this kind of conversation you'll learn it with time

boreal raven
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you just gotta keep playing the game and learning sir

wanton thorn
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All right

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That’s a good enough answer

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I suck at jungle but try to improve on it the most

cosmic cipher
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for ganking mobile champs you'd just want to have a good gank spot or have yoiur laner burn their mobility is the main thing

wanton thorn
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I main too but play more jgl bc it’s harder for me to learn it + it gives me a better awareness

wanton thorn
chilly falcon
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I think it just depends on the champ you are ganging but imo some champ just can't be gank

wanton thorn
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I had an overextending Yasuo who got away with dashes but on the other hand I did kill him a few times

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I wanted to make a different thread than this but that was something I’m already doing ‘right’

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So it came down to this impossible question

boreal raven
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gank when possible is one of the biggest question for junglers !

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u gotta learn when u can make something possiable

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its not even about killing the enemy or forcing sums etc

wanton thorn
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When you think a gank will be successful 80% it’s a good one

boreal raven
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sometimes pressure is enough to let your teammate gain an advantage which they can use in the future

wanton thorn
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Yeah

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I’ve noticed that in top a lot

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Playing a lot of top gives me a good understanding of the wave state which helps witu ganking top lane

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I don’t play too much adc/supp only with my duo and I don’t like mid at all

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There’s one problem I think

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If I play more mid it’s easier to spot when the lane is winning or losing

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I had a good match with a friend playing mid asking for a gank and they set it up for me getting me around 5 out of 7 succesful ganks

cloud maple
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mid is rly hard to gank for me, cause i'm kinda scared of entering a bush with the jungle in it

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i'm too squishy and no escape

vagrant haven
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The way is for them to use their mobility and then you engage the gank

wanton thorn
cloud maple
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and lane gank is not possible

vagrant haven
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If they are perma holding their mobility and hanging back you can’t gank only dive

cloud maple
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unless they dive, but then they are assassin and they just revert to their position too fast for me to do any real dmg

wanton thorn
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Diving doesn’t work in solo q low elo

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Unless it’s voli or

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Or other easy dive champs

vagrant haven
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What champ are you

boreal raven
cloud maple
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teemo

boreal raven
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some of these comments are

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xd

chilly falcon
boreal raven
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ganking in low elo is sooo much easier

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than higher elo

wanton thorn
boreal raven
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because enemy doesnt respect pings as much, jungle timings, cooldowns, etc etc

wanton thorn
cloud maple
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most of the time my mid get poked hard and ask me to gank when they are alrdy super low hp, or at least they ping me to come

wanton thorn
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They’ll let you die and spam ping ?

vagrant haven
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You can dive as kayn viego easily idk abt Diana as I don’t play her but if you have ult should be the same

wanton thorn
boreal raven
wanton thorn
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Yuppp

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Damn yi

vagrant haven
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As viego you can gank a mobile champ if you flash stun

wanton thorn
wanton thorn
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You know that I don’t need to explain anything

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Lol

vagrant haven
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Yes you don’t gank someone who is full hp sitting on mobility and near tower

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Ofc

wanton thorn
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Near my tower not their own

boreal raven
vagrant haven
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Lol they will die if they are that pushed

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Just hold your flash

boreal raven
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every elo has issues

wanton thorn
vagrant haven
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For their mobility

boreal raven
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your using it as an excuse sir

vagrant haven
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Or post 6 use r to follow their flash

wanton thorn
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Oh I used to dive so much before 12.10 but I do it a lot less now

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You know what

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The enemy junglers are getting better at capitalising in my mistakes so I play more safe

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On not in

wanton thorn
vagrant haven
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Not rly

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You can’t escape a viego in a gank

wanton thorn
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But Viego can’t always kill right?

vagrant haven
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I mean there are bad ganks

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If that’s ur question

wanton thorn
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Called me out lol

vagrant haven
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But you shouldn’t be escapable

wanton thorn
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Gotta be honest I’ve been focusing on Kayn and Eve I put Viego aside

wanton thorn
vagrant haven
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Well as kayn if ur afraid to dive the champ is a lot worse

wanton thorn
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Ganking when they’re too full

vagrant haven
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As ur ult is like dive tool

wanton thorn
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I start diving at 6 with those champs especially Eve

vagrant haven
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Ok

wanton thorn
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Before that I don’t really do it unless it’s free free

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I was gonna sleep after posting the thread so I’ll be doing that now thank you all for helping I’ll keep this thread open in case of some help