#How to deal with Gragas midlane (Replay link) ?

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lost delta
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At 2:36 even though you saw the skarner really late , and you are correct to keep pushing a farming because the pressure is on gragas in this lane to actually stop you. You can simply just walk into top red side and then e q out lmao, it’s a skarner with zero damage. It seems like you get flustered easily over nothing. Some advice for that is, if you are going to keep pushing minions underneath gragas to draw jungle attention, really question what CAN kill you before it happens, do they have ignite, what’s their set up

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A gragas and skarner is a fucking cakewalk

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I would play so relaxed and free if I’m buoy this game at 2:30

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Literally nothing can kill me and if skarner does gank gragas can’t participate cause one W Q AA combo kills him

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What’s there to be flustered about?

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Consider the advantages you have when you get them

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You could have easily outplayed that entire scenario

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You also didn’t need to flash, you could safely recall and walk back to lane, the lane is won anyways

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Gragas had like 10 cs lmfao

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You were chilling

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What happened?

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Ah

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unfortunate

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Rip

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I see

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Listen if I’m you in this position, skarner is fucking level 4, and my wave is bouncing back to me, gragas is at 10 cs, I’m oom

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I’m laughing all the way to the bank with this shit

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I’ll just recall, tp back, and only then assist the reksai

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I can tell from your mouse movements and what happened you just got really flustered

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Azir is a mechanically a really difficult champion

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Early game a little less so but still medium levels

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You see this wave at 4:15?

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In this wave state

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You should not slowpush this

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You should hard shove this wave, and then recall again for sapphire crystal and then come back to lane with wave pushing to you and favorable trades into gragas, and then you perma freeze until level 6 and lane is won again

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Gragas can never interact with you

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Instead what happens?

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Do you know this wave state you are in

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Where you are perma shoving into gragas but you can’t really do anything substantial besides deny minions?

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From 4:40 to like 5:30

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You are just poking to poke

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Fighting to fight

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It has no intention

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You are just ping ponging waves back and forth with no intention of where you are standing

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Ok 5:50

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Fucking nice

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It seems like you realized Gragas accidentally made the wave go to your side and you have a freeze

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The gragas also is just playing ping pong without thinking

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So you maintained the wave state here and baited for jungle gank

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That’s all good

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And then you mechanically messed up so hard and didn’t realize you were oom

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Nor did you position yourself well for the gank

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The intention was there, which is thumbs up

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Execution wasn’t

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Practice your Azir mechanics

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you have to be able to at least do the long e q R combo

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AT least that

muted sand
lost delta
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He doesn’t die at all

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he would be recalling anyways

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So yeh

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Anyways kinda pointless to go on further you know what you have to work on

muted sand
lost delta
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Let me watch again

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Ah

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Never mind

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You are right

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Mehhhh

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you can also

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Just walk north

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Precisely at 2:40

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Gragas cannot chase you

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He will lose literally a whole wave of exp and gold

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And you will just e q over the all if skarner chases

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And you lose basically nothing

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Waste junglers time

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So he really didn’t actually have to flash until yeah, I’d don’t notice he messed up w e q, thought it was down

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Anyways no point going past the point of being 0/3

rough pivot
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Hello, today I played a game that I vod reviewed myself like I usually do, but I cant figure out what I could have done better in that scenario, maybe dying less but that would mean I cant do anything on the map and need to neglect even farm basically while Skarner and Gragas Duo would permaroam across the map and kill everybody

What do you guys say, what could I have done better in this game or what habbits should I pick up for the next games?
( I think I played early game well until reksai ganked and I dashed in ,wanted to ult gragas out while waited for mana so reksai kills him but didnt happen, then I got very tilted troughout the whole game, and then I inted )
Any tips/suggestions etc ?

It also seems like my poke would do not much damage to him lvl 6+ and if he stays back I cant really kill him at all only permaslowpush to prevent roaming or similar and get a farm lead like I got in the game
https://youtu.be/_C2MfW_fKIc

smoky patio
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Are you left eye dominant?

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Why's your minimap on the left side

smoky patio
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1:03 Lean to top side, we know Skarner's position even up to the point when you got ganked
2:36 We saw Skarner for almost 3 seconds on the minimap but didn't react to the gank
2:40 Randomly walks into the Skarner to die? You could have just walked out
2:49 Don't waste your time to poke Skarner, use this time to make proactive decisions on whether or not to stay in lane or recall.
2:52 Wasted mana, so now it's impossible to stay in lane
2:59 No awareness of when you are in kill threat
3:36 You have wards, use it so you won't get ganked again
4:40 I don't play Azir, but I watched a couple of high elo Azir replays and one thing I noticed is that you don't play like them.
Almost all the Azirs I watch will use their soldiers to farm and poke if the Gragas walks up. You use your soldiers to poke first farm second.
Another big difference between you and Azir mains is that they recognize that Gragas has severe mana issues. So instead of attacking Gragas's hp pool they attack his mana pool.
They achieve this goal by shoving waves and forcing Gragas to use Q and W on the wave resulting in a forced back.
6:02 Why'd you all in? Do you not know your damage output?
6:44 You called Gragas broken lmfao. Wasted 13 seconds to type and buy items. Disable chat, you let it distract you.

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7:06 Why'd you mute chat when no one has even typed anything, just disable chat if are willing to mute with that little provocation.
Also why are your pings muted, keep the sound on. Chats is useless but pings are useful to be able to tell roams and shotcalls.
7:11 Stop looking top, you done it three times now but it's not like you will ever roam to top at your current lane state.
The most you need to do is glance at your minimap and be aware of jungle position and other wave states. Not pan your entire camera for something that will won't be useful to you.
7:56 Useless pink, you wasted 75 gold.
8:27 Gragas is understanding how badly you want to poke him and has been using it against you all game long.
8:36 Disable chat for your own good.
11:58 This is the third time, just shove wave and do anything but get ulted under tower.
You can create presure by fake roaming, you can get vision on enemy camps, you can roam, you can do so many different things.
Yet you keep trying to do the same thing that hasn't worked for you all game long.
12:25 Disable chat for your own good. You are somehow tilting yourself harder than your team is tilting you.
12:49 Spam back ping your Reksai, and don't let them die. One measly question mark ping is nothing. Do everything in your power to make sure your team doesn't fuck up.
Even if you do everything and they still die, it's okay because then it's actually their fault. But doing nothing and blaming your team for dying is still your fault.
13:43 Work on your early game, your mid game doesn't matter for climbing. I'm sure there are so many other things that I can point out in your early game, but work on what I already said.

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Know matchups ( know kill threat )
Focus on farming
Lean to sides
Create better vision
Disable chat

errant dock
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you never leaned to ur jg side

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your lvl 1 wasn't played properly as a ranged champ vs a melee champ hje shouldn't be allowed near wave

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stand in the middle of the wave or behind the ranged minions and zone him

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took a bad escape from the gank could of walked up into river and 2v2'd with jg and won that fight ultimately

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didn't eq

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walked back into the fight to pressure skarner leaving but you're oom so you can't fight and walked into gragas range

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you're also fighting gragas way too much you're never going to kill him he will just outsustain you so you should be wanting to pull a freeze and hold it on your side for farm as you outscale him

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your wave states just suck you're 0/2 vs ap gragas as azir a squishy mage and you're shoving into him and then looking to fight when you lose to him no matter what now

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runewise you went letahl tempo but went with a pokier build and never got to your nashors

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just a mix of a bad early game against a champ like gragas who will outheal your damage early you just want to get every single minion and hold a freeze for your jg and farm till your last chapter

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also idk why you're complaining about gragas and skarner being op as azir lolyou provide much more than they do

smoky patio
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