Scorch VS Gathering Storm | r/leagueoflegends | Page 1

neat zodiac Jul 28, 2022, 5:20 AM

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It’s actually really easy

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Go look at your match history

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If most of the games are perma 40 minutes

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Consider gathering storm

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otherwise

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Don’t take scorch it’s a useless rune most of the time

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It’s copium

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damage

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That’s all it is

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It’s to make you feel good

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If anything, just straight up consider other trees at that point

fast cipher Jul 28, 2022, 5:22 AM

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Scorch into melee champions or when your champion wants to punish lane phase hard

neat zodiac Jul 28, 2022, 5:22 AM

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Gathering storm ourscales scorch at like 10 minutes with most champions anyways

fast cipher Jul 28, 2022, 5:22 AM

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Gathering Storm more of a scaling and waiting rune

neat zodiac Jul 28, 2022, 5:23 AM

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In reality your runes don’t matter too much if we are being honest but you shouldn’t lose the will to minmax shit

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Just pick whatever you think best fits

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And call it a day

fast cipher Jul 28, 2022, 5:24 AM

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Actually Scorch becomes decent because Riot nerfed potions meaning that you can punish enemy opponent easier with great laning phase

tropic wolf Jul 10, 2022, 9:17 AM

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It has been implied by league content creators that Scorch tends to have more value as games tend to last a lot sooner. Statistically around 30 minutes, which is likely due to low elo.
The question relies on...
How far into the game does Gathering Storm start to have more value than Scorch?
It is said that low elo players need to go Gathering Storm as the people in the elo have trouble on knowing on to end, but the case also lies on that they also do not know how to play from behind and play to scale, so is Gathering Storm worth the risk?
Why does Scorch tend to have more value than Gathering Storm?

fast cipher Jul 10, 2022, 9:33 AM

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imo depends on the champ, if you have a lot of poke you're better off going scorch. But then again I'm pisslow so what do I know

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Personally I prefer gathering

open plover Jul 10, 2022, 10:13 AM

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whenever talking abt runes it depends on the champ ^

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if u r a poke champ take scorch

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gathering storm only really viable on adcs and scaling mid like vlad ig

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scorch has more value because if u are a good player u are pushing your leads and scorch can be the difference between a kill or not

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and if u are low elo taking gathering storm is recommended because you won't use scorch well while gathering storm is guaranteed value

small hatch Jul 10, 2022, 11:18 AM

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Gathering storm starts to have more value than scorch at min 10. It gives a flat amount of AP which scales up everything in your kit, not just poke. So yes, maybe if you use an ability every time scorch is up, scorch will do more damage, but considering everything gathering storm has more value.

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And if you have 2 abilities that can poke right after one another, scorch can't proc twice that fast

lost solstice Jul 10, 2022, 11:21 AM

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Scorch is early game rune

open plover Jul 10, 2022, 11:22 AM

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scorch can do like 1k dmg over the game gathering storm isnt caluclated but does more if the game goes late

shell rose Jul 10, 2022, 12:37 PM

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Gathering storm is better because scorch can be countered with dshield (it basically deals negative damage)

plucky urchin Jul 10, 2022, 1:43 PM

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scorch is for champs who have a good lategame anyways and dont need the damage for example viktor uses ary and scorch as earlygame runes since his lategame is gon na be overkill anyways

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i play scorc transendence on nami since nami is laningphase champ for example

finite helm Jul 10, 2022, 5:18 PM

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its a lane rune vs a lategame rune, i wonder what they will each be good for?

steel jetty Jul 10, 2022, 6:17 PM

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Scorch is better than Gathering until Minute 20 on a lot of characters, this is not "outscaled at minute 10" which people like to say

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https://youtu.be/86Rerm3ATnc
If you want the math

YouTube

Rune Math

Scorch is better than you think

A mathematical look at the League of Legends runes "Scorch" and "Gathering Storm". Both runes have some scenarios in which they are strictly better, but champion damage after 10 minutes can be directly compared.

0:00 Intro
0:27 Basics
1:03 Things one Rune is strictly superior in
2:08 AP-ratio equivalent of one Scorch proc
5:04 Damage over an en...

▶ Play video

cursive root Jul 11, 2022, 12:52 AM

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scorch is for lane presence

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if you want more dmg in lane and everything

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gathering is just better if you want to play for late game and not for lane

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gs gives more in a fight than scorch after 10min/ it's first upgrade

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scorches 10-35 dmg isn't better than the 8ap or 5ad i believe it is

minor spear Jul 11, 2022, 5:51 AM

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plucky urchin scorch is for champs who have a good lategame anyways and dont need the damage f...

then scorch on azir is probably better at most times aswell ?

cursive root Jul 11, 2022, 6:02 AM

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scorch 15-35 dmg on a 10 sec cd and only single target

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gathering storm is 8-24-48-80 ap dependent on game time

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at 8 ap around when ur lvl 8 it would be doing 23 dmg

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if ur doing an all in or a long combo gathering storms 8 ap will do more dmg than the 23 dmg scorch gives

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scorch is a poke/burst rune for early g ame

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gathering storm outscales it at either 10 min or 20 min dependent on ur champ

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gathering is also better on viktor bc he wants to shred teams and aoe

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and champs who have a good lategame will be taking runes that allow them to scale more easily viktor doesn't need scorch to lane and since gs is free stats and extremely good viktor is also a champ who makes amazing use out of it because of his aoe vs scorches single target

cursive root Jul 11, 2022, 6:06 AM

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plucky urchin scorch is for champs who have a good lategame anyways and dont need the damage f...

and viktor uses aery + scorch into a melee lane so he can shove them out of lane easily because they can't stand his earlygame poke with that being a melee champ

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aery is only good into lower ranged matchups so he can farm aery on them and even scorch since they can't match his range

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gathering storm is just better as you want to scale better and faster which gs will let you do

sonic totem Jul 11, 2022, 6:26 AM

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Scorch is better until the game is practically over most of the time

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And extra pressure = more gold = more stats

plucky urchin Jul 11, 2022, 12:18 PM

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minor spear then scorch on azir is probably better at most times aswell ?

yep

cursive root Jul 11, 2022, 6:03 PM

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steel jetty https://youtu.be/86Rerm3ATnc If you want the math

this video is miserable lol

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nothing is labelled

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how are you getting ap ratios from an ability not on any ratios and that doesn't scale on ap

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he also claims that scorch has moments where it can outscale gs

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which will only happen at 15-19 minutes but either way gathering will still be better as if you're playing a scaling champ you don't really want to play for lane pressure especially on a champ who already has so much pressure like a viktor

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the only real time where scorch seems viable on viktor is if you're into a melee matchup with aery and looking to abuse them out of lane because if you're matched on range scorch becomes less value as you're unable to make as much use out of it and you don't need the rune in those lanes as you can just take gs you won't get enough use out of scorch into ranged matchups as you'll maybe get ~6 procs out of it pre10min
the only time you can argue that it's good for pressure and everything is if you were to get a kill because of it same concept for futures market if you're getting a kill from it every 6 bases it's worth

tropic wolf Jul 12, 2022, 6:08 AM

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does scorch proc first strike gold

cursive root Jul 12, 2022, 6:58 AM

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should

gray heath Jul 12, 2022, 3:58 PM

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gathering is just better i think

plucky urchin Jul 12, 2022, 4:32 PM

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scorch has its use but i would say u are never wrong with going gathering

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