Anyone else’s thoughts on lee sin? Riot has been consistently hitting lee sin, goredrinker nerfs q nerf base ad nerf e nerf etc. As of 12.10 he’s actually weaker than a lot of jglers early game, and being behind in levels is actually a normal thing no matter what. He does significantly less damage, everyone is tankier, like it’s so rough to play lee sin. I heard riots nerfing cuz of the popularity in high elo and pro play, but us low elo players are hurting a LOT from it. I’ve talked to other lee sin mains, rank 1 Chinese lee sin agreed, what do you guys think? Do you think maybe riot will see what they did to lee and maybe give him a buff to make it a little more benefiting to lock in Lee?
#State of Lee Sin
mossy crystal
winged scroll
correct me if im wrong, but Lee is mostly good in pro/high elo
scared to buff him cause he's already good in high elo
silent crystal
Yes that's right
lean shuttle
seems kinda weak at my eyes but i'm not good at Lee
winged scroll
id like to pick him up but i was thinking about this so i wont for now
stray jungle
He is good for early game and for engage/good cc for team, also you cant nerf him much for soloq because he will be unplayable on pro scene, on which he is one of the best heroes
zealous beacon
most champs riot doesn’t buff is op in high elo
feral fossil
just have different matchmaking, for "pro" rules and "Normal" rules and diff balancing
but no they wont put any effort / money into that
instead someone has to suffer
winged scroll
i dont know if it is the right decision to completely rebalance all champions for pro and normals
chilly coral
just have different matchmaking, for "pro" rules and "Normal" rules and diff bal...
Insane take
Creating two different games just because some players are bad at the game will never be sustainable
silent crystal
just have different matchmaking, for "pro" rules and "Normal" rules and diff bal...
It's already a thing, it's called Heroes of the Storm
Maybe you will like it
limpid imp
Don't play the champ. Lee takes skill to be good but then there's tons of other jungles that takes little effort to outperform leesin
Gotta be good at it to just be a functioning jungler
And if you wanna do more than that, you need to be extremely good in terms of macro and mechanics
If you play wukong jungle and then play lee sin jungle, you would know what i mean
fossil thicket
problem is that hes to good in pro play (hence his current state) but hes also what a lot of people and pros go to as default. instead of trying new things ppl always fall back to lee which is why he has such a high pickrate (when his wr is decent anyway)
exotic dagger
Horrible champ right now, defense stats got increased his dmg got decreased so double nerf to him. Can be decent-ish but still does way less dmg than before. Sure with setup he is still nice, doesn’t mean he isn’t weak though
fossil thicket
He’s weak yeah. Problem is that his kit is just good for pro. And he’s a default pick for a shit ton of ppl
He’s probably gonna stay weak for a bit. I would hope riot is trying to tear down some lee default pick habits
real needle
Damage was nerf but his popularity in pro and solo queue have rise regardless
Riot can’t make him useless it that upto your skill and know champion limit
exotic dagger
Hasn’t risen, always been super high.
mossy crystal
And if you wanna do more than that, you need to be extremely good in terms of ma...
i already am, its just that it sucks so much to play him now
i can do majority of those mechs you see from the chinese and macro wise.... im p2 at the moment so think what you want with that. its just lee is so fun but it sucks because of the amount of nerfs they gave him
lean shuttle
i can do majority of those mechs you see from the chinese and macro wise.... im ...
you can be chall if you are rly good on Lee if you are p2 it's because you deserve it or you haven't played enough game don't think it's because of the champ
silent crystal
you can be chall if you are rly good on Lee if you are p2 it's because you deser...
mossy crystal
@lean shuttle I think you misunderstood. I’m not complaining about why I can’t push, I can easily push, I’m just saying the it feels so bad to play lee. I play him because I enjoy playing him, but he’s so weak that it gets to the point of not being fun to PLAY anymore.
lean shuttle
Then you don't rly liked the champion imo
exotic dagger
Not the case, right now, he is not in great state, next patch sure
mossy crystal
I just said I liked him n enjoy playing him lol why would I pick him in his state rn?
Also look:
12.10 look at lee sins adjustments lol.
zealous beacon
he’s getting buffed
mossy crystal
he’s getting buffed
Where’s you hear this from?
zealous beacon
Where’s you hear this from?
patch notes
zealous beacon
scared to buff him cause he's already good in high elo
make his q point and click
wide snow
As a lee sin main, you really can’t just solely think of the state of lee sin only. There are a lot of champions who are doing way worser than lee as of right now. Despite all of this, Lee is 100% playable, just isn’t as easy as he was before to just pickup kills in the early game.
One time I saw a streamer had to do a full Q + E + R + Q combo just to kill an ekko with barely any armor.
zealous beacon
no way
he had to use EVERY SINGLE ABILITY TO KILL AN EKKO?
thats so weak
why didnt ekko die after e wtf
wide snow
why didnt ekko die after e wtf
Forgot to mention ekko had R haha
mossy crystal
patch notes
12.10?
mossy crystal
One time I saw a streamer had to do a full Q + E + R + Q combo just to kill an e...
thats whjat happened to me not long ago
mossy crystal
As a lee sin main, you really can’t just solely think of the state of lee sin on...
yeah i know but it feels awful to play. kzh said the same onstream i think
wide snow
yeah i know but it feels awful to play. kzh said the same onstream i think
yeah
it's whatever, like kzh said, just gotta accept it lol
night tangle
they are going to buff his q dmg by 5 im sure by the next patch