Riot needs to stop filling people into roles they don't want

[vocal niche]

ok

[stone path]

im 100% fine with waiting longer if it means i get my role

also this post is old af lol

[cerulean warren]

Geez this post is almost a year old

Let it die

[stone path]

idk why it was revived... or how

[cerulean warren]

New leaf

[fierce fractal]

I did this for a few months and got top once.

[hasty mountain]

well they should disable autofill for all apex ranks

you can't expect people who just want to enjoy the game to be this good at every role

[upbeat thunder]

Nobody wants to play a role they didn't choose, and nobody wants to play with people who don't want to play their role.

Queue people for the role they select, and show us which roles need more players in that moment (kind of like Overwatch).

This will prevent A TON of dodging and toxicity that comes from people being dealt the wrong role.

[humble raptor]

You do realize a lot of people want to play the same roles right?

[upbeat thunder]

Fully aware, and they'll have to wait in longer queues for playing a more common role.

Like I said, they should show which roles need more players (like Overwatch), so those who value faster queue times can fill the proper role.

[high locust]

dont want auto fill play jungle

[humble raptor]

Then vote for that rather than no autofill lmao, without it the game would have much longer queues.

[high locust]

dont want to play jungle then dont bitch

[humble raptor]

fr tho lmao, jung fastest queue time too

[high locust]

also i hope u know this game used to have a system like that and it was one of the worst things ever

[upbeat thunder]

I'm not opposing the autofill option, I'm opposing the forced autofill that overrides the two roles you selected.

[humble raptor]

Then don't select the two most popular roles lmao

[high locust]

i can guarentee if u select jungle support u will never be auto filled

mid adc selecters wild

[upbeat thunder]

But I don't want to play jungle, along with like 90% of the games population.

[high locust]

then dont complain about autofill

if u really cared about u being autofilled u would switch to jungle so u wouldnt have to get autofilled

[upbeat thunder]

I'm complaining because I don't want to play jungle, but the game forces me to. Also i'm forced to play with people who also do not want to play jungle and they basically int the whole game because nobody wanted to fill for them.

[high locust]

then dont play ranked and go play overwatch

[upbeat thunder]

It's like this in normals too.

[high locust]

u barely get autofilled in norms unless ur in extremely high mmr or pisslow mmr and selected mid adc

[upbeat thunder]

I rarely get autofilled because I play support. I have an issue with the forced auto fill because 90% of the time the JG didn't willingly choose to play JG.

[high locust]

then dont be in aids mmr

[upbeat thunder]

You're actually brain dead, leave the thread.

[high locust]

ok mr no autofill for ridiculous queue times

[upbeat thunder]

jUsT dOnT bE iN aIdS MmR

[high locust]

yes dont be

[upbeat thunder]

jUsT gEt bEtTer aT thE gAmE

[high locust]

if u dont want auto fill jungler then u learn jg and play it

its not a hard role

[upbeat thunder]

Don't change the game! Change the player!

[high locust]

yes when ur listing an idea that will increase queue times by 500% change the player

[upbeat thunder]

Yes, let's just get 90% of the games population to learn a role they don't want to play to fix an issue with the game.

[high locust]

almost all mobas have autofill always has

dont like it play another genre

dont know what to tell u dude

[upbeat thunder]

Your solution is low IQ.

[high locust]

u unironically want to increase queue times exponentially bc ur too shit to learn jungle

[upbeat thunder]

Just play jungle and you wont have to wait through the queue times.

[high locust]

what about support?

[upbeat thunder]

Just play jungle, dont be in aids mmr.

[high locust]

that roles is low populated as well compared to others

playing jungle wouldnt fix support not having as many players as well

[upbeat thunder]

Then play support.

Thats why they should show which roles need more players.

[high locust]

sure but 1 player wouldnt make a difference bepending on elo

[upbeat thunder]

The population of each role changes throughout the day.

[high locust]

so then they cant show the population

[upbeat thunder]

They wont show population. They just need to show which roles lack players.

[high locust]

its just gonna be how in high elo u cant queue at certain times bc not enough players o

[woven lynx]

as a master+ player i completely agre

[high locust]

its an idiotic idea

[woven lynx]

my queue times are fucking long anyway

cause toplaners dodge 5 times each champion select

[high locust]

mine are sub 20 and i can manage

[woven lynx]

well i dont mind it, but just nerf dodging

[upbeat thunder]

Exactly. The queue times are already long, and people will consistently dodge because they have the wrong role, making the queue even longer.

[high locust]

even if they nerf dodging people will still dodge matchups they dont like

[woven lynx]

they also dodge cause bad matchups

toplaners mostly

cause its the most snowball role in that case

[high locust]

what ur suggesting will make all queue times extremely long even pisslow mmr

high mmr is meant to have long queues bc we have exponentially lower amounts of player

[upbeat thunder]

I'd rather wait through a queue to get a team full of players that chose to play their role.

[high locust]

they had a system like that ages ago and trust me it was not good

[upbeat thunder]

As opposed to sitting through 15 queues just to get players who don't want to play their role.

[high locust]

if u wanted to play autofill u would have to wait hours on end just for one team to not kick u

offrole not autofill

[upbeat thunder]

My solution literally just gives players more control over their queue times and what roles they play.

[high locust]

it doesnt give them control over queue times

it will just force people to play roles they dont know for low queue times

most bronze players dont wanna wait over an hour for a match

[upbeat thunder]

It does, they can willingly sit through a longer queue for a more common role, or they can willingly play the less populated role for a faster queue.

[stray oxide]

It sucks but until duoQ is gone

we will be stuck with autofill

[high locust]

didnt they back down from taking out duoq

[stray oxide]

or have 5+ minute queue times

[high locust]

i thought they did bc wasnt it supposed to be here a while ago

[stray oxide]

It's doomed

[upbeat thunder]

Duoq also shouldn't be a thing. It should just be solo and teams.

[high locust]

thank you captain obvious

also duoq is a team

so ur just saying they should be allowed

[stray oxide]

duoQ should be in flexQ

not soloQ

[upbeat thunder]

that's what i mean.

[high locust]

how else am i supposed to meme adc support combos

[stray oxide]

in flexQ

[high locust]

flexq is even worse than soloq

that mode was doomed from the start

[stray oxide]

No with duoQ moving to flexQ, flexQ should see a revival

[high locust]

i played 4 games of flexq and it was the most unbalanced mess ive ever seen

[stray oxide]

The issue with flexQ is that the queue timers was too long

[upbeat thunder]

If were talking q times, duoQ wouldn't do well in flexQ. As a duo, you'd have to find a group of 3 queuing.

[stray oxide]

because not enough people want to play it

So when a triQ happens

They need to find two solo players

which is almost impossible

[high locust]

they should use ur soloq mmr or something for flexq

[upbeat thunder]

But those 2 solo players would be in soloQ.

[stray oxide]

but with duoQ going to flexQ, the queue timers are going to be much shorter

[stray oxide]

yes, that's why flexQ is a joke at its current state

but by forcing duoQ players into flexQ, flexQ will see a revival

of course it depends on how Riot decides to market it

imo Riot should give awards to those who queue for flexQ

[upbeat thunder]

just delete the game at this point. they had a good run.

[high locust]

why reward idiots

flexq is just norms

[stray oxide]

because you need to see a huge spike of flexQ players to give to an incentive for players to keep playing flexQ

Or else flexQ will just die despite being in a healthier place

[high locust]

theres no point in playing flexq even if u wanna practice for clash u would probably get more balanced and lower queue times in norms

[stray oxide]

Yeah my plan is to revive it

and how I would try to

[high locust]

but even with the removal of duo it will be short revived but i doubt for long term

[stray oxide]

if I was in Riot's position

[upbeat thunder]

They could give rewards to players that play less populated roles as well, with the no-forced autofill system I proposed.

[stray oxide]

No definity not that

[upbeat thunder]

y no

[high locust]

bc thats a horrid idea

[upbeat thunder]

y

[stray oxide]

Because then you will have players who will int in off role, to get rewards

[high locust]

giving one role a reward will make more people play it thus making it useless

[stray oxide]

making the queue much more toxic

[upbeat thunder]

only reward for performance, scalable blue essence reward.

[stray oxide]

It's extremely hard to measure performance

[high locust]

that would just make a new section for account buying

[stray oxide]

with the current tools

[high locust]

which riot hates that

[upbeat thunder]

play like shit, 1 blue essence. pop off? 50 blue essence.

[stray oxide]

Reason why lp isn't based on performance

[high locust]

how do u measure that

u can be 19/0 but not do anything for ur team therefor u didnt do good

[stray oxide]

Yep you will just breed kda players because it's performance based

[upbeat thunder]

Kill participation and objective participation. Same way 3rd party apps like blitz rates performance.

[stray oxide]

and have a different kind of inters

[stray oxide]

It's unreliable

[high locust]

that would just make people hit them once and run

also third party apps are shit

[upbeat thunder]

For runes and builds yea, but they generalize stats pretty well. They compare your stats to the global average for that role and champ.

[stray oxide]

They don't

[upbeat thunder]

It's about as objective as it can get.

[stray oxide]

You are just comparing averages

Which is easily manipulatable

[high locust]

for trundle i have according to them low damage despite me destroying 5+ towers a game

bc i only splitpush on him

yet i dont have low damage on him

[stray oxide]

The global average stats only work if the chosen champ has a high pickrate

if it has a low pickrate

you can either be rewarded or punished

[upbeat thunder]

Well yea, so your KP is lower. However, your objective participation is higher.

[stray oxide]

because of volatile statistics

thus making the global stats unreliable

[high locust]

kp has nothing to do with tower damage

[upbeat thunder]

Yes I know, that's why to them you do low damage.

[stray oxide]

Also what would happen if someone decides to play Moonstone Soraka vs Shurleyia Soraka?

Should the Soraka be punished for low healing?

[high locust]

yeah

fuck healing supports

[stray oxide]

Because generally Sorakas will be healing a lot more because of moonstone, no?

[high locust]

shouldnt even be in this game

[upbeat thunder]

Depends. If you're not doing more damage than the healing soraka than yea, you would be punished.

[stray oxide]

dmg?

As a Soraka?

[upbeat thunder]

That's the other counterpart for KP.

[high locust]

u can be in the top 10% for sor damage if u do just 5k

[upbeat thunder]

Kills and assists are essentially weighted the same.

[stray oxide]

Also another issue with performance based statistics is that you will kill off unique playstyles

[high locust]

But there not the same nor should they be

[stray oxide]

If you go AP Cho

and do lots of dmg

you are punished

[upbeat thunder]

Not really, not everybody plays to beat an average.

[stray oxide]

because generally Cho players go tank

and would have high dmg taken

so one of the playstyles will be disincentived

while the other is rewarded

resulting in one of the playstyles to disappear in favour of the more rewarding playstyle

based on some global averages

[upbeat thunder]

Both would be rewarded if they're performing better than the average.

[stray oxide]

But the two Chogaths have averages

that are completely different from each other

[upbeat thunder]

Right, each build has its own average. They even track the win rates for specific builds.

Regardless of what role, champ, build you use, and even what opponent you're laning against, it's been done thousands of times before and it has an average performance to compare you to, in order to determine if you're performing well.

It's also not that big of a deal considering the reward I proposed is a small amount of blue essence, equivalent to an ARAM boost.

[high locust]

thats just blatantly false

[upbeat thunder]

I take it you don't use any of the apps like Blitz?

[sinful skiff]

Riot should remove autofill or make it opt-in / opt-out

[upbeat thunder]

yes

[sinful skiff]

I see no reason why they don't give the player an option in this situation

[stray oxide]

@upbeat thunder Yes and no

[sinful skiff]

If you want short que times and horrible games sure , opt in to autofill

[stray oxide]

So the issue with that is what if the sample size is too low

[sinful skiff]

But if you don't care about que times and want better games you should have the option to opt out of autofill

[stray oxide]

Like can you accurately measure a dia skarner

Theres only 541 games of it

[upbeat thunder]

That's a pretty decent sample size.

[stray oxide]

It's not

In terms of Riot's standards

541 games

Could just be 10 guys playing 50 games of skarner

[high locust]

no that isnt

[upbeat thunder]

They could also just use the existing rating system.

[stray oxide]

What is that?

[upbeat thunder]

The letter rating shit at the end of a game

[stray oxide]

You know that's really easy to abuse right

fights are secondary, farm really well and have a high vision score

and you get easy S

Even if you lose

[upbeat thunder]

Not entirely true. I'm pretty sure it's based on the champ as well, because as a Lux support you could have a 40+ vision score with like 200 cs and you'll only get like an A

[stray oxide]

Yes that's why it's bad

[upbeat thunder]

KDA has a pretty big impact

[stray oxide]

Because it's extremely unreliable

Some champs it's extremely hard to get S

other champs it's really easy

Also depending on your elo

it becomes even easier or harder

[upbeat thunder]

But at least it's something to base a tiny incentive reward on for getting people to play uncommon roles.

There doesn't even need to be a great incentive, because the main incentive for playing uncommon roles is queue time.

[stray oxide]

It's something, but it's not healthy

There are more healthier options of creating a better system

Also Overwatch did what you are talking about

It's how they tried to combat long queue times

[upbeat thunder]

Yea that's why I referenced it

[stray oxide]

They died

Because no one would play

[upbeat thunder]

Yea, that's a pretty natural cycle for a game.

Even for a "dead" game it still works pretty well, as it got me into playing tank/support just to get faster queues.

However, if I picked adc, and it force filled me into support after waiting through a long ass queue, I would be tilted af,.

Players should have control over their roles and queue time. Either they willingly have a longer queue time to play a common role, or willingly play an uncommon role for a lower queue time.

The choice is what eliminates many problems.

[stray oxide]

I mean

How often are you realistically getting autofilled?

I'm queueing mid/top

And I haven't been autofilled in 40 games

[upbeat thunder]

Almost never, I play support. However, about 50% of the time my jungle is force filled, and they dont like it one bit, and they often express that in-game.

[stray oxide]

What's the issue with that

The enemy team also has an autofill

[stray oxide]

Also the vast majority of players simply just quit

[upbeat thunder]

Possibly, but not guaranteed. They easily could have gotten the 1 jg and we got stuck with the fill.

[stray oxide]

It's guaranteed

Riot changed it's matchmaking to be guaranteed

[upbeat thunder]

I'm going to have to disagree, because on a few occasions my team of randoms (and fills) have been pitted against full premade teams before.

[stray oxide]

In ranked?

[upbeat thunder]

Normals

[stray oxide]

It's normals

That's why

There is no matchmaking rules in norms

If this whole thread is about norms

[upbeat thunder]

It's about both, because ranked is even worse with force fills.

[stray oxide]

No it's guaranteed to match fill against filled

In ranked

[upbeat thunder]

Ranked is the only place where I've experienced players taking roles hostage. They'll pick the role they want and force the rest of the team to figure out whos gonna fill for them. If nobody fills, then you have no jungle and 3rd person in the bot lane.

[stray oxide]

Then dodge

that's like 1 in 70+ games

[upbeat thunder]

Not everybody wants to sit through a dodge ban.

That also adds to the queue time.

[stray oxide]

Then sit through a 15-20 minute int

[upbeat thunder]

You see how my solution actually matters now?

[stray oxide]

It's like 5 minutes, just wait.

[stray oxide]

Not really

[upbeat thunder]

Bitch about longer queue times, but willing to stack their queue time to dodge.

Makes sense

[stray oxide]

Yes because 5 minutes is much shorter than

the hundreds or thousands of accumulated wasted time

[upbeat thunder]

5 minutes + another queue.

[stray oxide]

because of longer queue times

In one month, let's say you play 3 games everyday

that's 90 games

let's say queue timers are 1 minute longer

which is optimistic

that's 90 minutes of wasted time

For an issue that happens once every 70+ games

[upbeat thunder]

All queue time is wasted time, and with my solution you literally choose whether you sit through longer queues or not.

[stray jolt]

your so stupid people want to play the same roles man

[upbeat thunder]

Then play a different role.

[stray oxide]

Also high elo queue times

are already extremely long

let's remove autofill

for them

and they will have 30+ minute timers

[upbeat thunder]

Then play a role with lower queue times.

[stray oxide]

For an high elo player?

If you autofill, you just lose

[upbeat thunder]

You get the choice to choose between preferred role and longer queue.

[stray oxide]

because of how good the players are

Your choice, only benefits minority of the playerbase while ignoring the other playerbases

It's not a good idea

[upbeat thunder]

It benefits the entire player base, because nobody would ever be forced into a role ever again.

I can only imagine how doomed your team is in high elo with a force filled jg

[stray oxide]

I think I made my point

[upbeat thunder]

Your point is to just disagree.

[stray oxide]

Let's agree to disagree

There's not much else I can really add without being redundant

[upbeat thunder]

Giving players the choice to choose what role they play would not affect queue times at all, unless literally everyone refused to play a specific role. At that rate, the queue time would be indefinite, and the game would die (because a single role is so beyond unattractive that people would rather wait forever than play it).

[stray jolt]

jgl if they nerf it one more time

[simple glacier]

You can queue fill

And then in select you can say you’ll play whatever role if you want too

[somber gazelle]

Honestly all I would like is a less long dodge timer or none at all if you get auto filled

I don’t know how well a “I want to play bot and mid but can get auto filled EXCEPT for jungle” option

Like all but one

That’ll probably do nothing except make the queues longe

R

[simple glacier]

I think secondary roles are a bigger scam than forced auto fill cause you can get put on your secondary role 2x in a row with no protection

So you’re forced to go mid secondary

As any non midlane role

And hope you don’t get put on it

With no auto fill protection if you do

[somber gazelle]

I usually go top/jungle and get jungle more yeah

It’s like both are open and not have the first one get priority, unless it’s popular roles then you get auto filled

[simple glacier]

facts

[somber gazelle]

also people saying you should learn jungle if you dont want auto fill

you can just dislike the role, the champions or the playstyle of it

if thats the truth so be it

lots of games come down to jgl gap so if youre new to jungle you dont want to be the one controlling the match, so to say

that isnt fully true but jungle will always have a big impact

im fine with playing every role, i dislike mid the most but my duo doesnt like jungle

i can play jungle for them or perhaps support if they want to adc etc. thats whats nice about duo queue

you can fill each others roles

or be the saviour in solo q thatll swap to be nice to people

[high locust]

I go jungle support and always get jungle

[high locust]

U can dislike it sure but don’t complain about auto fill if ur not willing to stop being auto filled

[pulsar geyser]

Actually it will. It would effectively become Overwatch queue times, which is what Riot is trying to avoid

[high locust]

10+ minute dps queues all ranks

[mortal flame]

yeah if u remove autofill u will kill ques and especially high rank ques which are already 10 min long

[high locust]

High rank queues are usually longer than 10 minutes

[mortal flame]

just like waiting in a long food line it makes u want to leave it and go somewhere else

[high locust]

15 minute queues are good days most mine go to are 20 sometimes over an hour though

[mortal flame]

i jsut know they are long from watching streamers i dont personally do ranked cause hate when ppl pull rank on u in norms

[somber gazelle]

people can still complain

[high locust]

no they cant

this is whats wrong with league people bitch about every single thing

same thing happened with challenges when they were introduced on pbe people bitched and complained

[sinful skiff]

League has 20x-30x players compared to overwatch

Que times are caused by the role select system players did not want in the game

and a system that the devs promised that would never be in the game

The role que system is so bad that they are removing 2 players from the matches to compensate for it

[stray oxide]

True, when the new post game lobby was released to public

Everyone is compliant about it even though basically the old one but more with more information

[somber gazelle]

tbf people like to complain

look at anything theres always people complaining

[stray oxide]

It's fair to complain but at least make an attempt of a reasonable complaint

Or back up some wild claim

[somber gazelle]

this is going to sound stupid

but some complaints are fair in one's eyes but not in others

not talking abt anything specific here

sometimes its ignorance yes but sometimes you just disagree

i find it funny that i can compare the league community to another game and its fairly the same in aspects but the game isnt

[high locust]

challenges are achievements but people bitched about them

its funny

ive only complained that they dont work bc they dont so there useless now

but even on pbe people bitched

also people were literally saying how challenges ruined league and shit it was so outlandish and people were saying "I SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPT OUT"

[sinful skiff]

I mean, it can and will make people play in a way that doesn't affect the game in a positive way.
Some people will take challenges too seriously and instead of trying to win a game they will try to farm challenges

Challenges are great in a single player game where your actions don't negatively affect other people

[somber gazelle]

where did those complaints come from btw

cause some "groups" in game communities bitch about anything just to coomplain

[harsh hedge]

bc mid and top are the highest q'd role is why those are commonly the highest fill rate role

and the 'has more people' argument doesn't mean much bc there isn't that many people in ur specific elo

q times past plat will skyrocket

[high locust]

some from reddit others on youtube and some here

[high locust]

wym 3 hour queue times are fine

[high locust]

dude achievements have been commonplace in all games since 2010

[somber gazelle]

hmm ok

[sinful skiff]

Yeah and that's how I know it will negatively affect league matches

And achievements being in games isn't the same as achievements in a ranked game mode

[high locust]

most competitice games have achievements for ranked

what r u talking about

[sinful skiff]

Show me one competitive game where achievements are highlighted before the game starts, during the game & the very first thing you see after a game starts

[high locust]

mortal kombat zx

x

[sinful skiff]

I haven't played many competitive games besides league, overwatch, paladins & COD

[high locust]

ultimate ninja storm 2-3-4

cod isnt competitive

there all shit

[sinful skiff]

So all games where its 1 person vs 1 person

[high locust]

smite

[harsh hedge]

even fortnite has them

[sinful skiff]

BO1 & BO2 Was awesome. I can agree with you that everything after that was shit tho

[harsh hedge]

cod comp was never good

[high locust]

bc it wasnt competitive

even in the actual esports it was more of a meme

[sinful skiff]

Partially true

[harsh hedge]

idek how people classify cod as being an esport

[high locust]

it was one of the original console esports game

[sinful skiff]

The MLG rankings were really a meme and non competitive but the main game was competitive especially in BO2 where they had a separate ranked game mode

[harsh hedge]

yeah but the game isn't made for competitive it's more of a casual shooter

the game is too easy to be good at and there isn't enough rewarding mechanics or gamesense like games like r6 or csgo have

[dusk pollen]

I wish that league had a more complex option system. Adding a profile preference and putting that in and having that as the standard but you can pick a different role if wanted. This might alleviate people who are like, Support mains who can adc and mid, but they can also go top badly and cant jungle at all. Maybe this would cause fewer of those incidents because it would prioritize their 3 one? My specific thing is "fill except no jungle" and I wish I could express that haha.

But also the OPs suggestion would work too and probably be easier to implement.

[cerulean warren]

As a jungle and support main, I can't play top, mid, and bot

So if I get autofilled it's almost always an automatic loss

Meanwhile the autofilled jungle only afk farms, doesn't put vision, doesn't take objectives, and feeds

[sleek grail]

it will also cause 6 minute queuetimes, and no one wants that

suck it up and learn jungle.

[dusk pollen]

lol

"play the game not for fun but for shorter queue times for the rest of us"

[sleek grail]

nah bro I say if you dont enjoy the role you gotta try a different champ

League has as many champs for single roles that other games have for their entire roster

if you cant find at least 3 champs you like to play on each role you gotta look harder

also usually these feeds are just an OP that got autofilled jungle one too many times and they need something to whine about while their dodge timer decays.

[sleek grail]

and when OP is gonna act like this my sympathy is gonna be nonexistant.

[sinful skiff]

Having an autofill jungle is horrible and ruins a game most of the time it happens

No one should be forced into a role they don't want to play. That's coming from a person that mains jungle

[lethal bison]

Put all the autofills in a single match together and let the chaos ensue

though big rip to que times

[sinful skiff]

Just give people the option to disable autofill

Players who complain about long que times wont have to cry about not being able to lose another 30 minute game because their jungle is a yuumi one trick

And the rest can have better matches

[lethal bison]

It would still up que time for all players

gotta balance mainstream popularity and competitiveness

[sinful skiff]

Yeah but not as much as if you completely remove it

Best of both worlds where no one can complain

[sleek grail]

80% of people would opt out and queue times would triple. it isnt going to happen.

[sinful skiff]

Then thats a good thing

Everyone would be getting what they want

If only 20% of people want autofill & 80% don't why would you listen to the 20%

[lethal bison]

Because less ppl are gonna play and buy skins if que times quadruple

[sinful skiff]

Do you have a source on quadruple que times? I've been googling for information on how much longer que times would increase without autofill, riot should have made a blog post right?

Honestly I have no idea how people complain about longer Que times but ignore the fact that an entire match they played was pointless & a waste of time because of autofill

You would save more time by removing auto fill because you wouldn't be stuck in a 15+ minute instant loss

As long as Que times don't increase by more than 15 minutes in games where there would had been an autofill player you actually saved time

And the time saved does farther than that one match

because that one loss wiped out one of your wins

So that autofill match realistically wiped out 30+ minutes of your time because you will have to play another game to compensate for the loss

[lethal bison]

assuming autofilled matches happen every game

and that they only are negative for you

[sinful skiff]

in games where there would had been an autofill player

Almost all autofill matches are negatives ones

[lethal bison]

You are gonna up que times for every single game so that 1 occasional game feels better

[lethal bison]

depends what side u are on

[sinful skiff]

It wouldn't increase que times for every single game, just the games where the system would had added an autofill player

[lethal bison]

ok the average

ontop of the reduced efficiency of splitting ques up

[sinful skiff]

The ques wouldn't have to be split up either

[lethal bison]

they already massively reduced autofill rates and massively increased autofill balance over the last 2 years

they are prob better off nerfing entire roles or buffing

to change popularity

so they can actually get a real balance

as it stands only support really needs more players

[high locust]

what

jungle has less players than support

its the reason why most auto fill happens for jungle

[lethal bison]

not what im seeing on league of graphs

Support is always the botom

[high locust]

league of graphs also used to say that dark harvest yi was the best build

[lethal bison]

ok m8

used to

meanwhile league of graphs has said support is least picked for years???

i guess the league data base is wrong

[high locust]

let me guess mid is second least

[lethal bison]

mid is usualy top

play rate

other 3 are typicaly about the same

[high locust]

send the site then

[sinful skiff]

Where does league of graphs get its data from

[high locust]

Mained Roles
Role Popularity
Mid
21.2%
Jungler
21.0%
AD Carry
20.6%
Top
20.5%
Support
16.8%

r u referring to this

[sinful skiff]

Kinda anecdotal but I just queued as fill and got jungle

[high locust]

bc the data doesnt even equal 100%

Mained Roles
Role Popularity
Top
21.4%
Mid
20.9%
Jungler
20.2%
AD Carry
19.1%
Support
18.3%

this is there numbers for all ranks basically iron + and it doesnt equal 100%

and fill should be a higher percent than what it would be if listed so

[lethal bison]

what is equaling 99.9 not good enough for you???

i guess its gotta not round to the first decimal point

[high locust]

well the other one is higher than 100% and thats without fill players

so that quite literally cant be the actual numbers

[lethal bison]

dude

its called rounding

you think being off by 0.1 when rounding their numbers

is a big deal

laughable

[high locust]

again the number cant be 100% bc it doesnt account for fill player sin the data

ur an idiot

[lethal bison]

fill players?

what are u even on about

[high locust]

what

r u stupid

[lethal bison]

are you?

[high locust]

people who play fill?

they dont main a role

[lethal bison]

if u play fill you just main the most autofilled role

BECAUSE U WILL BE FILLED THE MOST OT THAT ROLE

r u stupid?

[high locust]

thats not how that would work at all

[lethal bison]

yes it is

you play fill and you will get the most autofilled role

yes theyd almost certainly end up as support mains

in the calculations

because they are gonna get filled to support most often

[high locust]

play 100 fill games and come back with the answer

[lethal bison]

so you are gonna deny the statistics based off anecdotal evidence and rounding

nice

[sinful skiff]

🤨 Where do the stats come from

[stray oxide]

Overwatch

10 minute queue timers

from what used to be 2 minutes

[stray oxide]

riot API

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923009762759696417/975241188296757248/unknown.png

[upbeat thunder]

Actually, it doesn't add up because each percentile is rounded.

[upbeat thunder]

If you don't want a 6+ minute queue time, then suck it up and learn jungle.

With or without forced fill, people will have to play the underpopulated role (at that time) for the fastest queue time. The only difference is that with my solution people get to choose whether they play a preferred role and wait, or play the underpopulated role and get a faster queue.

Nobody should ever be force filled, it dramatically lowers the quality of both normal and ranked matches.

[sleek grail]

the problem is, the moment you throw in an opt-out, everyone opts out.

suddenly no one wants to play jungle and queue times for people who opt-out become egregious.

is not wanting jungle really worth a 10 minute queue time to you?

at that point id just rather lock Zac.

I dont got all day man, if I got 2 hours to play I dont wanna spend 25 minutes of that in queue

[stray jolt]

No dude you totally don’t understand Old league > New league!!! The egregious queue times and fighting like children over roles was GIGACHAD and Based!!! (sarcasm)

[sleek grail]

I say if you dont wanna fill dont play drafts.

go back to blinds and fight over roles if you dont wanna get filled that bad.

Riots not gonna put the effort into an opt-out that in general is gonna lengthen the queue times of every player by about 2 minutes

[stray jolt]

Buddy your silver-gold elo games are already shit quality regardless. Who cares about autofill lmao?

[upbeat thunder]

It'll only lengthen the queue for those who willingly choose to wait in a lengthened queue.

[sleek grail]

which will be a lot of people, presumably you as well.

[upbeat thunder]

I main support

[sleek grail]

you really want an eight minute queuetime?

[cerulean warren]

An eight minute queue time is fine if I don't get autofilled or paired with autofilled players

[upbeat thunder]

I never get auto filled. Force fill bothers me personally because 90% of my ranked games have an autofilled jg, and nearly 100% of normals has an autofilled jg. Almost all pregame toxicity from my experience derives from force fill.

Those force filled JG players are having a very shit time, because they're playing a role they did not choose, and for most people is the absolute last role they will ever play.

If they implemented my suggestion, and literally nobody played JG, than riot should make the role more appealing, not force people to play the role.

Hell, removing force fill and showing which roles need more players (in that immediate moment) might even decrease queue times, because people will know exactly what role needs to be filled.

[stray jolt]

honestly

just dont force fill people into jungle

that role is so different to every other role

everyone on your team has a shitty time when someone gets autofilled jungle

cause the jungler is suffering

the laners are suffering cuz no good gank

[sleek grail]

you are making a brash assumption people are that selfless.

also, more appealing how? its literally the playmaker role

Jungle is the guy who gets themselves and their team fed

[cerulean warren]

Mid has the most potential to make plays

[sleek grail]

Mid is not the guy with the smite though, JG is also the last word when it comes to objectives 9/10

[cerulean warren]

As a jungle, half the time you are playing pve

[upbeat thunder]

Not if your jg is force filled.

[sleek grail]

still havent answered me, how do you make jungle more appealing than "I am literally the games most important role"

[stray jolt]

I think you kinda make your own importance

Depending on how well you know your role

And what the purpose of it is

[cerulean warren]

Ya

[upbeat thunder]

I'm not answering that because I don't know, I don't design champions for a living. What I do know is that being forced to play a role is dumb af.

[sleek grail]

you can call it as dumb as you want, you cant just call something bad and not offer an alternative.

[cerulean warren]

Autofill is bad so remove it

[upbeat thunder]

The alternative is not force filling people into roles.

[stray jolt]

We can't satisfy everyone at the same time just like some people are better than others

[sleek grail]

that alternative is that peoples queuetimes get 6 minutes longer because no one wants to play Jg, and some players dont get to play what they want because "either I play jungle or I play dead game simulator in the queue"

[stray jolt]

That person who might have been autofilled mid and wanted top. What if that guy who got top were a smurf? Or x2 times better. What would be fair then?

[sleek grail]

your alternative leads to the same result. people play jungle when they dont want to.

[upbeat thunder]

No, people will queue into jungle knowing they're going to be jungle.

[cerulean warren]

???

[sleek grail]

people will queue into jungle because they want to play, not because they want to jungle.

[stray jolt]

Idk how people can expect to get their role 100% all the time

But as a top laner I don't get that problem a lot

[upbeat thunder]

Sure, but they're still choosing jungle. They're not being randomly filled into the position against their will.

[sleek grail]

if theyre only queueing jungle because they dont have time to wait through a 10 minute queue for their role, is it any different?

its not fair to them either way

at least in the current system no ones waiting stupid long to get in games

[upbeat thunder]

As I said many times before. You can either choose to wait a longer queue for a common role, or choose to play an uncommon role for a faster queue time.

CHOICE

[sleek grail]

wait ten minutes for the role you want or queue the role you dont want to so you can have a reasonable queuetime

[sleek grail]

its a shitty choice, thats the point im trying to get across.

[upbeat thunder]

Don't like the queue time, than play an uncommon role. It's your choice.

[sleek grail]

bro at that point its no fucking different to getting filled into jungle, its just now im not waiting 8 minutes if I dont wanna get filled.

[stray jolt]

I don't see the point of this

[sleek grail]

I can tell this isnt going anywhere, so lets leave it at this

Riot wont make this change

[stray jolt]

You won't change anything

[sleek grail]

its not worth the effort, or the trouble.

[stray jolt]

Xd

[sleek grail]

it results in longer queuetimes and more pissed off people.

[upbeat thunder]

Based on what data.

[sleek grail]

but hey, least theyd have the choice to be frustrated.

[upbeat thunder]

Who's to say it wont make queue times faster?

[sleek grail]

based on fucking math. if less people get put into jungle automatically, queues get longer because less people play jungle. Jungle is the primary fill role because less people play it

[upbeat thunder]

Show me the math bud.

[sleek grail]

oh youre fucking cute. we arent doing this.

pull your head out of your ass and face the facts.

the reason people get filled jungle to begin with is no ones playing jungle

[upbeat thunder]

If people are provided with an interface that literally shows them what role will have the fastest queue time, it may increase that role's popularity. Have you not accounted for that?

[sleek grail]

so much for choice. "hey, these roles have stupid queue times, but if you do this one you actually get to play tonight"

thats the OW method. and no one fucking likes it.

[upbeat thunder]

The "OW" method, is quite literally the universal gaming method.

That's how role based queues are handeled in everything.

MMOS, FPS, everything

[sleek grail]

its also anal as shit

if im gonna be forced to play a role I may as well not be sitting there for twelve minutes, get impatient, and decide "fine, i guess i'll play jungle for the eighteenth game in a row"

[upbeat thunder]

It's much better than sitting there for 12 minutes, and then not getting the role you picked, so you have to dodge, wait through the 5 min ban, wait through another queue, then not get your role again.

[sleek grail]

except the queue will never be that long with fill, also if youre the kind of guy who's dodging when you dont get your role, boo hoo. you dont wanna get filled go back to blinds or find a team.

im done with this argument, neither of us are gettin anywhere.

Change cant be made without a reasonable alternative, and this alternative of yours isnt reasonable.

[upbeat thunder]

You lost the debate, came up with zero points, boiled it down to "boo hoo i dun get ma role".

Get lost bud, let some adults enter the topic.

[sleek grail]

youre insistent your alternative would be any different or any more pleasant than autofill.

come up with a real alternative and stop acting like a prissy little shit

[upbeat thunder]

Willingly being filled into a role is much different than unwillingly being filled into a role. Period.

[sleek grail]

im still being forced into jungle if its a 20 minute queuetime for my role

[upbeat thunder]

If you can't agree with that, than you are delusional.

[sleek grail]

and youve got your head so far up your ass you can smell your lunch. stop pinging me.

[upbeat thunder]

@sleek grail

[stray jolt]

XD?

Are you both okey

[sleek grail]

let some adults in on the topic, yeah youre the idol of maturity.

im giving it a rest

[stray jolt]

How can there be space for anyone to give their opinions if this is all we see?

XDDD

[sleek grail]

only thing im getting here is a headache.

[sleek grail]

well, whats your take on this?

autofill i mean

not two grown men crying at eachother

[stray jolt]

I've already said it I think

[sleek grail]

humor me, repeat it.

[stray jolt]

I don't think we can satisfy everyone at the same time that's all. One person might get autofilled but what if it's for the best?

[sleek grail]

hell, the autofill might even let you learn something new.

[stray jolt]

Yeah it learned that I'm an inter tbh but happens

I'm a top main so I don't get filled that often

But when I do it's ff

[sleek grail]

I think everyone should have a respectable grasp of all 5 roles, whether you like it or not

even if you dont wanna jungle you should be capable of it.

[stray jolt]

Yeah I just can't play a lot of champs

Only like ... Brand, Ryze, Draven, Graves off role

And then my champion pool top

[sleek grail]

Never a worse time to learn than when the game is telling you "try somethin else"

[stray jolt]

:DD

I'll be back later

[sleek grail]

also autofill guard exists so you arent constantly being fucked out of your role.

[stray jolt]

I have stuff to do

Nice talk

[sleek grail]

its nice talking to someone who doesnt act like a child.

[wispy kraken]

Nothing wrong with autofill, you need to leave your comfort zone every now and then 🙂

It will make you a better player as well, I promise

[upbeat thunder]

No doubt that it will, but you shouldn't be forced into roles you don't want to play.

[wispy kraken]

not really forced, you could click that X in the top right corner

[upbeat thunder]

Yea, seems to be a pretty common defense for forced auto fill. "Just don't play the game", "Just play the role you don't want to play".

[wispy kraken]

it will 100% make you a better player if you learn to play other roles, probably why autofill is a thing

or you could lock in yasuo and go 0/10 every game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upbeat thunder]

We're talking about the forced auto fill, where the game disregards the two roles you selected. The normal auto-fill option is fine.

[wispy kraken]

you fail to mention autofill protection as well

you might get autofilled 1-2 times every 20 games

[upbeat thunder]

Yes, but almost 100% of the time someone else on your team will be filled.

I don't have a problem with being filled, I can play every role and not tilt. What I have a problem with is my teammates being filled, especially into jungle, where they either int out of inexperience or frustration.

Rather than trying to get an entire game's population to learn all of the roles, they should just stop force filling.

[sleek grail]

@wispy kraken you arent gonna get anywhere with him darling, sorry to say.

you do have a point, Autofill is good, even healthy, for people to leave their comfort zone.

is it anal when you get a role you didnt even select? sure.

but it doesnt even happen that often, especially with fill protect.

[upbeat thunder]

Correct, but that only applies to you as an individual. Your team can still be force filled, and it's equally as bad.

[wispy kraken]

autofill is implemented to reduce queue times. just remember that the enemy will be just as likely to have autofills on their team as well. because if autofill wasn't a thing you would have posts complaining about the long queue times

[sleek grail]

he insists that giving people the option to stomach 8 minute queuetimes for their role is a reasonable alternative. doesnt make sense to me

[upbeat thunder]

That's assuming removing force fill would increase the queue times. Part of my suggestion is to show which roles lack players, so everyone knows what roles have the fastest queues in that immediate moment (role popularity changes throughout the day).

Incentivizing faster queues with specific roles might single handedly increase the popularity of those roles.

[wispy kraken]

Then you will have a support on your team that has no idea how to play support, but queued support because of the fast queue times

[upbeat thunder]

I currently main support partly because it has the fastest queue times.

I also main it because I can't stand force filled support players.

[wispy kraken]

if you main support why are you even complaining about autofill, you have the least likely chance of getting autofilled lmao

you might get autofilled 1-2 times every 50 games lol

[upbeat thunder]

Because I don't like teammates being force filled (and neither do they).

[wispy kraken]

I do 🙂

[sleek grail]

i promise you people will like waiting 20 minutes just to play what they want even less

[radiant jewel]

Not forcing autofill on everyone would lead people who do choose to be filled to be filled more often, which would in turn lead them to choose not to be filled and, as a result, increase the queue times even more

[wispy kraken]

also encourages people to learn other roles, which is why I have at least 3 champions that I play at a high skill level in every role

and I also always offer to trade with people who are unhappy about being autofilled

[dense wyvern]

Bro in higher elos it literally is

Jungle is the hardest macro role in the game, but also the role you can carry the most with and you have very big expectations to that role

that´s why someone who doesnt plays jungle gets autofilled in a higher elo against an evelyne OTP or shit like that is like an instant lose

or very near to it at least

[sleek grail]

Autofill isnt great but theres few acceptable alternatives being offered

[wispy kraken]

I agree with this, I was playing against Scrubnoob on my diamond smurf and our JG was autofilled. lets just say the match ended very quickly 🙂

[upbeat thunder]

You also have to account for people dodging because of force fill, which just stacks onto the existing queue times.

[dense wyvern]

The game shows me 4 min queue time but I know it will be at least 7-8 min because it gets dodged 3 times average

cancer

[dense wyvern]

That´s true I have champs for every role but jungle is just completely different

As said even if I know the basics of jungle, can track jungle pathing and know 2-3 junglers to play decently on higher elos that doesnt mean anything if I am against some jungle OTP for example

[upbeat thunder]

Pros to no force fill:

• Less dodging (potentially lowering overall queue times)
• You get your role 100% of the time
• Your entire team is playing their chosen role that they're ready for (reducing ff15 mentality before champs are even selected)
• Unpopular roles could potentially rise in popularity for their faster queue times

Cons to no force fill:

• Potentially longer queues

[dense wyvern]

lol I can´t react to posts anymore

[stray jolt]

I mean imagine getting your role 3 times in a row and all of those were losses

Then you get filled and the guy who replaced your role smurfs hard

Sometimes it's for the best

[dense wyvern]

Then you should focus on improving on your role let´s be real

and not getting carried by random smurfs for 1-2 games just to derank again after xDD

[stray jolt]

What if you're just tilted? Having a bad day? Then it's more like a help

[dense wyvern]

Then yes but when I´m tilted I stop playing

[stray jolt]

Yes and how many do you think do this?

[dense wyvern]

Also on the other point I think it´s pretty rare to get a help like that compared to when it´s exactly the opposite

[stray jolt]

Yes usually they just make you mald harder

[dense wyvern]

exactly

Or people get tilted as hell when getting autofilled and they run it down

[stray jolt]

I once ran it down honestly

[dense wyvern]

so I think overall autofill is more evil than good

[upbeat thunder]

That still doesn't really justify force fill though. There will always be someone better than you at your role.

[stray jolt]

I got banned after but

I played like 10 games

[dense wyvern]

Yeah but in my experience autofilled players dont run it down intentionally, they just become instantly tilted and lose focus

[stray jolt]

Lost 9 of them I think it was completely cancer

[dense wyvern]

even if another player carries them on the team

[stray jolt]

I even got first blood in a lot of them

Enemy had 10 kills

In under 7 minutes

I just ran it got banned

[dense wyvern]

Happens

[stray jolt]

Went on next smurf acc

AND IMAGINE

Out of all the games I've played

I did it once

Got banned

But when I used to flame

Nothing happened

[upbeat thunder]

It honestly varies. I'm in low elo, so pretty much every other game is a force filled JG, and assuming they don't dodge, it's literally a coin flip whether they're going to int there way out of the match, or just not even play jg and pretend they're mid/adc/sup/top.

[dense wyvern]

Bro all my homies are racist and toxic every game 24/7 and never got banned since years

[dense wyvern]

That´s true, and as I said in high elo it´s even worse when an autofilled jungler is against a jungle OTP with 3000+ games experience who knows advanced jungle fundamentals

[stray jolt]

Yes I remember these people in ARAM. We would say things like. "Erdogan would be proud" and worse things depending on how much they said. And then they will be like ... "You will be banned 🤓 ". Nothing has ever happened personally for me talking shit and flaming in ARAM

[stray jolt]

That's also why I enjoy that circus mode

[upbeat thunder]

It's the self die stuff that usually results in quick bans, because it's actually illegal. Hate speech however isn't, so it's not moderated that much.

[dense wyvern]

My first ban was because I spammed "allah akbar" in all chat in a normal game after a Quadra kill with Ziggs ult

[stray jolt]

Nah ... how?

[stray jolt]

I did Corki caps allahu akbar package ult through ARAM lane and worse things

[stray jolt]

People are getting really sensitive I see

[upbeat thunder]

You probably just didnt get reported.

[stray jolt]

I swear these people are malding and telling me. "This will be your last" and stuff. But I know nothing will happen.

[upbeat thunder]

They probably didn't even report you either

[stray jolt]

Imagine using it as a threat and then not report me. I think they were so tilted that they forget to do it I guess.

[upbeat thunder]

The only time I report people is when they're griefing and just not playing the game. I genuinely do not care what people say in chat.

[stray jolt]

I go ghost and cleanse in ARAM with high ending stats

[stray jolt]

Looks like grief but it's not

[grave oak]

the overwatch queue system killed the game lmao

[high locust]

Pov ur a non map watcher

[cerulean warren]

I'm pretty sure you're talking about top mains

[stray jolt]

I never watch bot lane cause when I do someone dies

[earnest spindle]

Entirely agree tbh it makes games way more coinflip if your team gets more autofills then your enemy and people are playing poorly in there off roles

[dense wyvern]

lol ?

What does that have to do with the statement of jungle is the hardest macro role ?

[somber gazelle]

Generalising players

[stray oxide]

I'm not sure why you think people will willingly queue jgl/sup with your new rule

It's going to be same as before

But instead no autofills, resulting in an overabundance in mid/top players
and long queue timers

Most people just quit

Also while jungle is the most important role in the game,
yall are really overexaggerating how important that role is
The difference between importance between each role is not so big that every role doesn't matter at all

If your any of your roles are autofilled, the game is just as hard

Unless you are in high elo

The playerskill in low elos are just way too low

[unreal flower]

i usually play top so i almost never get autofilled but here and there i do, i sometimes get support i honestly dont mind it. i would never pick or main support but its fun sometimes. but if i get jg im dodging fuck jg

[dusk pollen]

It's really weird that I see SO MANY supports in the server but it's the lowest choice

[sinful skiff]

Autofill is broken

My que time was only 1 second but i still got a autofill on my team & the auto filled player has a 0% winrate on the lane he was assigned

[valid creek]

this won't do shit

overwatch literally did this and dps queues are still like 8 minutes long

last time i checked OW2 beta

[valid creek]

@high locust

i havent looked at OW2 since people first started streaming it

boring game ime

point still stands

it doesnt solve the problem

waiting more than like 2-3 min for a multiplayer match is fucking stupid

bro i didnt even play OW2 lmao

i said this like 3 times

o

longest i've waited was like 3 min

in high gold mmr

but it was also a weeknight

queue times are shorter on weekend nights cuz of schoolkids

another thing is

riot did a test in LAN where they let players choose a role they didn't wanna be autofilled in

guess what

people picked either jungle or support

xd

[mighty merlin]

after few seasons of playing league I dont understand why people are mad when they are getting role which they dont want to play. I think this is good thing to play something fresh

[dense wyvern]

Because in higher elos if you don´t have experience on a role and you get autofilled to jungle against a team who has a shit like Evelyne OTP with 3000+ games then that game is almost autolose basically

[mighty merlin]

In high elo most of ppl who see that you are autofilled jg are dodging or swapping. They prefer to have autofilled mid who gonna play safe heroes because I dont believe that autofilled mid in high elo will play Yasuo or Yone

[valid creek]

$10 i could play 100 games and this will never happen until high elo

[stray jolt]

Evelynn and 3k games ... if that's true then that person should jump head first out of the window no cap

[cerulean warren]

I think removing autofill would reduce the amount of dodges from players who got autofilled

It wouldn't completely remove dodges because players can still choose to dodge if someone picks a troll pick or the enemy laner picks a counter

[valid creek]

so people will be waiting longer just to get dodged

[stray jolt]

Longer waiting time = More tilt

More tilt = Mald increases

Mald increases = Uninstall button

[cerulean warren]

There would be less dodges because people won't dodge because they are autofilled

[stray jolt]

I mean

What if they dodge cause someone from the team has dog match history?

[cerulean warren]

How often does that actually happen?

[stray jolt]

I went on TR server for fun waited 15 min to get into champion select if autofill gets removed then yeah I don't hope it will be like that

In low elo pretty often but I'm not stuck there

[valid creek]

there would be less queue pops because everyone is trying to get midlane

[stray jolt]

Me as a top main

[valid creek]

even then

ppl just dont wanna play jungle or support

[stray jolt]

Used to have duo junglers 😌

Good old days taking over half of the map

[stray oxide]

That's only in high elo

Or minor region

But if an average player is having to wait

8+ minutes

It was 10 when I quit

That's an issue

[upbeat thunder]

Removing force fill would eliminate all dodging that derives from force fill, inherently lowering queue times.
Displaying which roles currently have the fastest queue times would also inherently lower queue times, because people who prefer faster queue times over preferred role will play the currently underpopulated role.
Simply showing players the live population of the roles (or at least a version of that stat) would influence people to willingly fill into underpopulated roles. The client itself should literally highlight the underpopulated role/s and communicate to players that said role will have the fastest queue time.

[mighty merlin]

Removing autofill - more waiting

[somber gazelle]

This! This works in other games too

I’m not sure how league players will react to small extras playing the least played role atm, like a bit of extra xp

Might throw just to get more xp but you do get more if you do good so that could work?

[stray jolt]

more event tokens (mayb like 20%)

or just a blue essebce reward

[somber gazelle]

Sounds good

[stray jolt]

i like jg

[stray jolt]

dodging timers are not negligible to all que times unless ur high elo or kr

[pulsar geyser]

So remove force fill, yet encourage players to do what the fill already does to change absolutely nothing in the game but that force fill exists? You are talking crazy there

[stray oxide]

Everyone already knows that jungle/support has low queue times
Why would showing the timer make people want to play the roles?

[sinful skiff]

Giving the player agency is always better than not

[stray oxide]

Agency for what?

[silk hull]

People who want no fills and people who bitch about queue times should be put into a cage match so the eternal tug of war between them can finally be silenced

[sinful skiff]

Or just give them their own cages and make everyone happy

[soft reef]

How about you learn how to play jungle

Learn a pocket pick or two you can pull out and play

Or main jungle your main role

I rarely get filled when I play in gold.

Once you get higher you begin to actually hit mains who main the roles a bit more often

It's super easy to gap people in silver and people who fill

[somber gazelle]

there could be times where other roles are on average played less, so theres a smaller gap between jungle and popular roles

it could also show if no one is playing jungle so the queue times are even faster

getting a rough idea how much every role is played could help a bit with guessing how long your queue will be

an example could be if you want to play top or mid and that graph shows top is played 4% less than mid, so playing top will give you on average a faster queue

its just nice to know stuff like that even in cases where it doesnt really matter

[stray oxide]

That wouldn't make the queue times any shorter
Who cares if the two most popular roles have shorter queue times
Then you will have players queue for the popular roles because queue times are shorter.

[sleek grail]

the only way you make this work without fucking queuetimes is to spice up playing those roles, overwatch method.
is it a perfect patch? absolutely not

moreso than that Riot risks losing money by giving even BE, so its unlikely it would be at a remotely reasonable rate

[upbeat thunder]

Not everyone is aware of the role populations, especially in the lower elo (the population majority). Also, the population of roles changes throughout the day, sometimes support will be the most popular role, and sometimes adc or top will be the underpopulated roles.

[gray sundial]

i'd much rather get autofilled the odd 1 in 10 games than have longer q times

[stray jolt]

wouldnt worth

work*

like that

in challenger

queue timers are 2 hours

without autofill

in a 24 hours day

thats 20 hours of queue

after increased queue timers

people would quit

resulting in 3 hours instead of 2

resulting in more people to quit

and thats a snowball

[somber gazelle]

That’s what I was trying to say thank you

I think it’ll also show if you get auto filled more, because of you play the most popular role at that time the chance is bigger

[upbeat thunder]

I genuinely do not care about master+, the game shouldn't be catered to a demographic of 1k players. They can have force fill, I'm honestly surprised they even have the option to select a role.

Just remove force fill for normals and ranked games under master. There's really not much you can do about master+, it's just a population diff.

[valid creek]

why remove fill for normals lol

[upbeat thunder]

For the same reason you'd remove it in ranked, so people don't get forced into roles they don't want to play.

[stray jolt]

.

same goes for every elo

[soft reef]

The game isn't catered to master+

If anything you're more likely to have a filled JG in low ELO than high elo

[stray jolt]

yea but

they experimented this

silver queue timers are about 15 mins

without autofill

many people complained and quit

more quits = longer queue

[soft reef]

Right

[stray jolt]

longer queue = more quits

[soft reef]

People are saying that masters + needs auto fill

But it's the other way around

[stray jolt]

yes

[soft reef]

People who complain about auto fill need to learn how to jg

Maybe you'll see how difficult the role can be and be more appreciative of those who do it

Very macro heavy

[dusk pollen]

"just don't choose what you want to play in a video game that you're supposed to be playing to have fun. Just learn to do something you aren't interested in for other people to have a good time."

I think there would be no harm to adding something that told you which role needed the most people at the moment.

[soft reef]

It's part of the game

if you dont like it dont play

its like playing dark souls or any other game

there's things you need to do that you dont like

but jg isnt that bad

its still league

[solid plaza]

There was a time of great sorrow

Where everyone was at the mercy of first pick

Player one had 3 bans

And ot was a toss up between pick and call order...

Dark...dark times

[stray oxide]

This will only really affect the small minority that is the new playerbase
But will largely be ignored by everyone else
Everyone knows how short queue times are for support and jungle compared to mid
Just because you display it, doesn't really affect everyone else

Even without the theoretical system in place, if someone wants faster queue times they will queue support.
The issue is that most people already know this, yet still willingly choose to play more populated roles.

I just don't see it as a realistic solution, that will either have no impact or a very small one

[dusk pollen]

But it's not negative.

And I play video games to have fun lmao

Jungle is worst role. More flaming than any other

[stray oxide]

yes, but such a system won't affect queue times at all

[dusk pollen]

I don't know about that, I've never seen it

[stray oxide]

Unless you remove autofill, which in that case
will make queue times much longer

[stray oxide]

Overwatch had such a system

[dusk pollen]

Oh that's cool

[stray oxide]

And it killed the game lol

They even tried to give rewards to tanks/supports

[dusk pollen]

How does showing which role is shortest wait kill a game LMAO

[stray oxide]

No it was because they had no autofill

Just showing queue times won't change anything

But your solution is two parts, no?

showing queue times and remove autofill

If it's only show queue times, then I already explained why queue times won't change at all

[dusk pollen]

My original solution was to have a profile preference that ranks all roles in order of preference so NO ONE gets auto filled on their least favorite role tbh

[stray oxide]

I think the issue with that, is if anyone puts Support somewhat high

They get autofilled very often

That was an issue one or two seasons ago

Not sure if it's fixed or not

[bitter lintel]

Autofilling causes more queue time. People mostly dodge after everyone picked, and then u have to requeue to not get target banned.

[dusk pollen]

Oh really? Does that mean that there are more supports now then? Cause that's interesting

[stray oxide]

idk about that, but when you were to have your primary as mid and secondary as sup
then the chances of you getting autofilled is much higher
then someone queueing mid/top

That's why I am not in favour of such a system

[dusk pollen]

See idk if I agree with this either at least for norms bc my queue repops 30 seconds later max

[stray oxide]

I wish people dodged as much as your games go lmfao

No one is ever dodging my lobbies

[dusk pollen]

If it's gonna autofill you anyway so I figure it might as well have your third preference lol

I can't go 5 games without someone being autofilled

And it's usually jungle and we usually lose

Sometimes in ranked I get autofilled mid for a Yuumi Bot

[bitter lintel]

its way too difficult to get mid lane. I played on my Smurf as Mid and support (mid first role) and porofessor placed me as support main. Weird huh?

and support is way more popular than top in my opinion as main role

so i pick support

[dusk pollen]

I love support

Bot lane so comfy

[stray oxide]

idk
that's a whole other rabbit hole
about how autofills aren't preventing you from climbing

[bitter lintel]

The problem with autofill is, that if ur support is autofilled, the enemy mostly is not autofilled. I just dodge then because i dont want a 20/0 draven

In enemy team

[stray oxide]

No, if one team has 1 autofill
the other will have one autofill
guaranteed

[dusk pollen]

First comment is about norms

[bitter lintel]

Is Autofill 2nd role ? I dont think so

[dusk pollen]

I don't play norms to have a bad time

[bitter lintel]

i would notice that.

[dusk pollen]

XD

[stray oxide]

I think norms queue times have to be short
because most people are playing casually in norms
so if there's long queue times
then the casual playerbase can't get into games quickly enough

[bitter lintel]

but if someone is just mid main and pick random role as 2nd, for me its autofill still, but the system doesnt detect it as "autofill" rather than "secondary role" which is still stupid. Midlaners can only play mid lane,

[stray oxide]

I'm not sure about that, but I wouldn't think so

[dusk pollen]

That's a fair argument. I do also think it's frustrating to players who don't want to play jungle though that they get autofilled in norms haha

[stray oxide]

Also idk about you, but the amount of times I win against high ranked players in norms
is p high
because most aren't even trying to win

[dusk pollen]

I have a 40% wr

[stray oxide]

also matchmaking pairs the high elo with very low elo, to balance

[dusk pollen]

It's dogshit haha

[stray oxide]

Unfortunate lmfao

[dusk pollen]

Yeah and according to the website that you check those things on (Idk if it's correct) my mmr is average or below average to my rank

[stray oxide]

Yeah I had those times in my ranked games, 10 loss streak really kills your mmr / lp gain

[valid creek]

u gain and lose nothing in norms who cares lmao

i'd be surprised if ur being filled in normals because most people only play normals

only like 10% of league population play ranked at all

[dusk pollen]

1/5 games i see someone who is auto filled

[stray oxide]

Are you sure it's not just them wanting to play a different role?

[valid creek]

post evidence

[dusk pollen]

not sure, that would be a hefty amount of people lying

[dusk pollen]

id have to have access to chat logs from every game and then find them and post them here lol

[valid creek]

ok so im gonna say thats a lie lol

[dusk pollen]

... what

why would people lie about their frustration of being auto filled

like on a consistent level

[valid creek]

.

[dusk pollen]

.

[valid creek]

u cant just say this and then not give evidnce

because ppl wont believe u

lol

like i get fill is frustrating

but are u getting it that often in normals

because i mega doubt it

unless ur playing at liek 2 am

[dusk pollen]

How tf am I supposed to give you evidence 🤣

Instead you just said I was lying about my personal experience

[valid creek]

there are literally 3rd party apps for this rofl

this is basic logic

[dusk pollen]

which apps?

[valid creek]

its like oh bro im challenger

blitz porofessor

more that i forgot

[dusk pollen]

And they say if someone is autofilled?

And I would be able to go back and look at that?

Even if I didn't have it installed at the time?
And it would be worth my fucking time to do so? XD

[valid creek]

cant really prove a point without it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

for all ik thats a bullshit number u made up

bc u lose every 1/5 games

[soft reef]

i mean most of those op.gg gives a general idea if people are filled

[valid creek]

^

[soft reef]

i dont think being filled is a big of an issue as you guys are making it out to be

learn how to jungle

and getting filled is like any other game

[valid creek]

jungle is fucking balls easy once u know how to do a clear

[soft reef]

you wont be getting filled often once you get out of silver

[valid creek]

instead of taking E start on talon jungle

[soft reef]

i think i get filled once every 25 games in ranked

[wraith cliff]

I stopped playing OW before this happened, but role queue is an incredibly unpopular feature of that game as far as I know. I definitely would rather get my role 80% of the time and have to wait one minute rather than get it guaranteed but have to wait 5-6 minutes per queue

[upbeat thunder]

I care, because I can blatantly see the force filled players are not having a good time, and it negatively affects the whole team. Force filled players usually have a pretty bad mental the second they see they were force filled, and tilt before the champs are even selected. It lowers the quality of the game.

[upbeat thunder]

I don't keep a log of my game chats, but typically an autofill will literally announce they were filled, and ask others to switch with them. Some will even take the game hostage and threaten to int if they don't get their role (because they don't want to dodge).

In norms (for me), generally every other game has a force fill (usually in the JG and sup role, sometimes even top).

[stray oxide]

Unlucky for you, but most people that play norms
Don't care

And would much rather prefer shorter queue times

[stray jolt]

"I play for fun 🤓 ". Guys relax I'm only 0/11. It's just a normal 🤓 .

Get out of here, back to Roblox.

[valid creek]

you can dodge if you see it’s unwinnable in draft

its not perfect solution but you have some counter

and again ur playing norms

what do u lose

ur lp? ur grandma? ur ego?