I'm just curious thoughts and opinions on this.
#What do you think is the easiest role to climb in each elo?
glad lynx
modern mist
sup till high elo then jg
glad lynx
sup till high elo then jg
Thats what I was thinking also.
supple flume
sup till high elo then jg
only if its like a good self sufficient supp, cause if u queue solo and ur adc turns out garbage and cant even auto the enemies, you're not gonna carry by yourself most of the time, so i'm gonna go with mid until high elo cause if u go against someone bad u have ur game won cause midlaners snowball hard and have more impact on the map in lower elos
modern mist
most sups don't even know how to play the game without their duoq but that also goes for a lot of adc players
sullen osprey
play engage be perma useful
you cant engage IF you have bad teammates. which is most of low elo.
mellow forge
you cant engage IF you have bad teammates. which is most of low elo.
that’s a irrelevant statement
sullen osprey
they cant back you up
mellow forge
if u communicate and be vocal with ur plans
sullen osprey
do you think most low elo listens?
mellow forge
a good engage sup
makes
95% of lanes unplayable
regardless
of adc skill level
sullen osprey
they can literally lose every engage if their adc is not good, engage supports dont do damage
sullen osprey
adc autos dont do that much damage early
mellow forge
uh
there are
adcs on both sides
so that would apply
to both adcs
but that’s not true
at all
lmfao
sullen osprey
most of their damage early come from abilities EARLY
mellow forge
ok?
what’s ur point
he understating adcs being able to click qwe on who you engage
does that sit better with you?
i’m low elo i’m a g3 adc
and i can assure you
if my sup is vocal
the whole team
sullen osprey
that engaging supports wont be useful if adc’s cant do anything to back you up
mellow forge
that engaging supports wont be useful if adc’s cant do anything to back you up
this goes for any engage champ in the game
this goes for any champ in fact
if ur not full build lvl 18 vs 5 lvl 1 doran’s blade
ur gonna be
useless alone
lmfao
ur arguing an irrelevant point
imo
sullen osprey
this goes for any champ in fact
but we’re not talking about every engage champion
mellow forge
ok what’s the difference between shen engage with no follow up and naut engage with no follow up!
?*
mellow forge
exactly my point, my last low elo miss fortune couldnt even auto
sorry bro ur 1/20 game low elo most likely tilted adc didn’t wanna play
unlucky man
supple flume
what the fuck
supple flume
but like any reasonable person i can give arguments for each
on one side low elo team mates dont listen to pings and you're lucky if they follow an engage even if just to auto
on the other, you're right, if on the off chance that you get team mates that can click the enemy champs, great, you won with an engage support
mellow forge
that isn’t an off chance
that’s the majority
lmfao
ur arguing for the minority
if ur engages are seemingly ‘good’ and you vocalize and make it aware you are making such engage/gank
then it will follow through
supple flume
will they?
mellow forge
only thing you have to account for is making it well aware
supple flume
how can you be so sure?
sullen osprey
you can be 20 years old and not have a brain btw
upper chasm
engage supports do tend to win very hard in low elo because most them are very tanky early and have high base dmg
mellow forge
that’s not even the reason
upper chasm
it literally is the reason
upper chasm
engage supports are more early game
upper chasm
they bully lanes
mellow forge
that’s not entirely true
mellow forge
take a champ like leona
her combo
works
every
fight
no counter play
on who their carry is
so if they don’t recognize
to wait out
cds
before starting to fight
then you get them
the whole hour
upper chasm
ok i see you're not listening ig
mellow forge
the game is going on for
upper chasm
i literally agreed with you
mellow forge
i agree with you
modern mist
enchanters don't scale that much
upper chasm
enchanters do scale
mellow forge
enchanters don't scale that much
bruh…
upper chasm
that much
mellow forge
i disagree entirely
modern mist
but they're still strong early apart from yuumi
mellow forge
a good example of only needing mythic is nami
upper chasm
they're not strong early
mellow forge
other than that
upper chasm
at all
upper chasm
no enchanter super heals or hits very hard early
mellow forge
list goes on
modern mist
my perception of the scaling
is not hypercarry
like soraka
supports barely get any gold so they're balanced around cheaper items and getting lvl ups
sullen osprey
bard? karma?
modern mist
a better wording for it would be they don't scale on gold as much
mellow forge
@upper chasm i get ur point but why don’t you think the main reason is being able to capitalize in mistakes?
sullen osprey
hello? wdym enchanters dont scale
mellow forge
hello? wdym enchanters dont scale
ong lil lit h
mellow forge
and the dmg that comes with them
yea i agree i just thought that wasn’t as big of a reason as easily punishing position mistakes
sullen osprey
even renata scales
mellow forge
like naut and blitz with those big ass claws
upper chasm
hello? wdym enchanters dont scale
enchanters do scale
sullen osprey
i said dont
upper chasm
ooo ok
mellow forge
yeah that
what lillith said
damn lillith playing karma rn and typing in a forum
someone report her
modern mist
enchanters do scale
that was my bad wording
sullen osprey
mid is easier in low bc you can actually carry
modern mist
this is all preference to me but sup is the easiest alongside jg. everyones going to have their own opinions and it's all based on what they play etc
upper chasm
at least imo high elo support > mid > jg > top > adc
and low elo mid > top > support > jg > adc
modern mist
top mid jg adc sup - low
top adc sup mid jg - high
hardest to easiest
upper chasm
no support is very easy in high elo
modern mist
but also im including skill
upper chasm
hence why it's elo inflated
modern mist
when you get into higher elos they become harder
mellow forge
sup is the highest skill to reward ratio of every role tbh
modern mist
^ agree w this mostly
mellow forge
if we make a general list
sup jg mid
is top 3
in that order
easiest
hmm maybe not jg as much
modern mist
having the playstyle of helping whats best for the team is better than the playstyle of solo hypercarry is better
mellow forge
a lot of jingling isn’t super intuitive
jingling
wtf
i reform the list
sup mid
jg
top adc
upper chasm
sup is the highest skill to reward ratio of every role tbh
support it's not skillful
you can 1trick yuumi to masters
modern mist
sup is more game knowledge
upper chasm
every role
modern mist
you bring yourself out of being able to carry the game solely yourself
upper chasm
literally incorporates everything support does
quasi zealot
In my opinion, jungle is hard because not is it hard to learn because it's so different from other roles
modern mist
supports amplify it
mellow forge
support it's not skillful
by skill to reward ratio i mean it favors the lower skill end to higher reward
there’s a range of it
upper chasm
doesnt matter if they int they're still useful
quasi zealot
But you have to worry about 3 lanes and the jungle instead of focusing on 1 lane only
upper chasm
i see i just misunderstood
modern mist
can say the same for mid depending on what champs they play same for sup lepaster
quasi zealot
And then you have to deal with the toxicity that comes with being a jungler
mellow forge
i see i just misunderstood
no problem
modern mist
jg becomes the easiest because theres almost no interaction and your laners will realize that jg isn't required in their lane and that ganking isn't the automatic win
mellow forge
jg becomes the easiest because theres almost no interaction and your laners will...
yes i agree with this
echo wing
If you're bad, support is always easiest.
If you're good, jg is always easiest.
modern mist
but they also have the toxic community that blame everything on them
mellow forge
If you're bad, support is always easiest.
If you're good, jg is always easiest.
id argue supp is easier than jgl even if ur good
quasi zealot
For me, bot is easiest, then mid, then support, then top, then jungle
mellow forge
if they understand the jg role more which is when u get higher up in the elos the jgs job gets assisted ALOT more, i.e scuttles, objs
echo wing
eh, at some point you need someone to deal damage to towers
modern mist
if they understand the jg role more which is when u get higher up in the elos th...
as well as jgs don't int lanes as much and prio the important stuff and everything making the laners be willing to help them more for a win win situation
mellow forge
any really aggressive supp thst does dmg is good in low elo
echo wing
zyra has the best supp winrate in low elo
quasi zealot
But pyke has 3 abilities with static value, his hook, stun/dash, and execute
modern mist
most low elo players don't even look at their map or know about 3:15 and drags and rotating etc
quasi zealot
Hooks are always valuable when it hits the right enemy
Stuns are always useful no matter what
mellow forge
zyra has the best supp winrate in low elo
cuz funny dmg
quasi zealot
And executes kill enemies quicker
mellow forge
But pyke has 3 abilities with static value, his hook, stun/dash, and execute
he does dmg too
- more gold for ur team
hes just amazing in low elo
quasi zealot
And he has great roaming potential
echo wing
also pyke is probs the most banned hero. after him you're basically restricted to choosing either roaming pressure or damage. the only other roaming damage threat is like...ap twitch support basically.
permafog naut/leona need team's help to kill anything, 9/0 brand still dies in 2 seconds to a 3/0 zed unless he dips for zhonyas.
modern mist
there is where ap rengar support comes in
can do all of those but roam well pre6 and spikes at lich bane then falls off lmao
@mellow forgei don't see anything about pyke with that sup item thing
lament ferry
you cant engage IF you have bad teammates. which is most of low elo.
Good supports make plays while knowing/making sure their team can follow up
If you are a support and lands an amazing hook/stun
it doesnt matter if your team is not prepared
and that blames lies with both you and your team
Depending on the scenario
But generally when I see low elos complain about "team not following up", generally its because the team is not ready
Make sure to ping and your team isn't preoccupied with something else, very rarely would you have a teammate that is legitimatly afk'ing
And just preoccupied with some other thing
graceful citrus