#flaming in league should be tolerated in some cases

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bright meteor
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Mankind can't solve toxicity it's funny that you think Riot can

dense garden
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It’s not it’s how humans are

elfin robin
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Ok, i misspoke a bit, i wouldn't expect riot to "fix" flaming, I would expect them to punish it, and riot doesn't do that, because flaming is what they want from their game

bright meteor
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They do

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At least more than any other games imo

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CSGO OW Valorant etc

dense garden
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Which is good imo cause it’s more toxic than other games from my experience

elfin robin
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No they don't, not in any meaningful sense, as long as you avoid slurs you probably won't get banned

dense garden
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Generally more toxic^

bright meteor
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Only League had had articles just to try to "solve" toxicity

dense garden
bright meteor
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So actively

quiet siren
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how does it benefit riot

elfin robin
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Fuck if I know

quiet siren
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wat

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xd

dense garden
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That doesn’t make sense

tiny willow
elfin robin
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But if your product has a problem and you don't fix it, you either want it to be there or you don't care, and I won't insult the people who work at riot by saying they dont care

dense garden
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I mean they’re allowing it by not punishing every single flame but they do punish bad ones

tiny willow
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this game is 12 years old and it’s still running lol

quiet siren
tiny willow
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if the game is so bad how has it been running for over a decade

quiet siren
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its like saying ''we havent cured cancer yet because we want people to die''

elfin robin
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Yeah, if someone is throwing out racial slurs and such they'll get banned, but if you don't you can basically say whatever you want and nothing will happen to you

dense garden
dense garden
tiny willow
dense garden
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There’s been stuff in this thread where people have been banned for saying uninstall u suck

quiet siren
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ive seen others and been banned myself included for shit not like that lmao

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i got a chat restriction for saying, and i quote, ''pathetic hardstuck ass''

tiny willow
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riot doesn’t do one-off bans outside of major things like slurs

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if ur being banned for saying small things like that then chances are that u have been like that for tens of games

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and riot has a ton of evidence of u being a consistent asshole

elfin robin
dense garden
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My thoughts are that it’s collectively everything considered flaming but usually a faster/stronger punish if you’re saying slurs or do it consistently

tiny willow
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one-off bans are really fucking risky

quiet siren
tiny willow
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bc it basically means that you create an echo chamber of sorts

quiet siren
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wow we are punishing people who are consistently pieces of shit or just massive douchebags one off

tiny willow
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either ur fine or ur not based off one sction

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esp one-off permas

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one-off permas are a really easy way to destroy a company

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bc it makes nobody wanna play

elfin robin
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I'ma come at this from a different direction, What would you say has been LoL's biggest problem for it's entire lifespan

tiny willow
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out of fear of losing their acc

tiny willow
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you cant crack down on punishments harder because it makes nobody wanna play

quiet siren
tiny willow
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you can’t make rewards for not being a dick better because peopke will reverse psychology that shit

elfin robin
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When you're a billion dollar company and you're not doing anything about your largest product's biggest problem

quiet siren
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there is a reason for everything

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just gonna cope with this one

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and say they are trying somethign at least

elfin robin
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Yeah, and the reason is that they either want the community to be toxic or they don't care

tiny willow
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i’m not even shilling riot and they have done a lot of things to try to fix the problem over time

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why would they want the community to be toxic

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this is a billion dollar company, having that kind of rep would kill them

elfin robin
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They do have that rep though?

tiny willow
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they can’t fix the problem over a single year

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no they dont lol

elfin robin
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so maybe they just don't care

tiny willow
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why do like 50 mil people play per month then

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if they have that rep

dense garden
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There are so many players

tiny willow
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only ppl who consistently mald or get offended easily say the game is toxic

elfin robin
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You're coming at this from the wrong direction, 50 mil play a month, why would they give a shit about fixing that rep

dense garden
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Which means more asshats

elfin robin
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That's been the game's rep for more than a decade

dense garden
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It’s logical the game is like that plus it’s a long strategy game

elfin robin
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why would they care about fixing it?

dense garden
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I don’t follow you on this

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The amount of players makes it nearly impossible to make up for the toxicity

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The game itself is also more stressful making people more sensitive or just generally emotional in any way

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Are there any big games that don’t have a toxic community? No. League is one of the biggest so it’s expected and what can they do about it? They’re trying but it’s just not physically possible to fix toxicity in such a big game that exists for so long

tiny willow
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^

dense garden
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Coping about it with Lou

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It’s whatever

pseudo coral
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all i see is like 4 or 5 people defending trolling

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which is honestly sad

cedar path
dense garden
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Sorry we disagree with your ping

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Point*

pseudo coral
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when you switch the argument to this it means your already lost

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why apologise?

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you dont agree thats fine but the guy above wrote a whole cv about me

placid sandal
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i'll reiterate - Banter is fine. being mean for the sake of being mean isnt :)

solid flicker
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No one is being mean for the sake of being mean

quiet siren
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and crying

pseudo coral
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they are not okay with the brain except 2 who are willing to listen

pseudo coral
quiet siren
pseudo coral
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as i said

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you got nothing to offer

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facts
an objective pov
or even not civil enough to have this talk

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why waste anything with you when you fell off

full beacon
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Flaming is bannable?

bright meteor
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Without removing the ability to communicate?

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I think Riot could do more, but they are doing what they can which for me at least is sufficient

pseudo coral
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i mean

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csgo

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whats worse it

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it has vc

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same as mw2

bright meteor
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You really think CSGO doesn't have toxicity issues?

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CSGO is definitely worse than LoL

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By any margin

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@pseudo coral

pseudo coral
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thats what i ment

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a game that has vc and doesnt give typically a shit

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people were playing mw2 which was the worst of the worst and somehow its brag now "you wouldnt last a minute in mw2 lobby"

celest walrus
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my dad owns a business and if someone is doing a shitty job he goes off on them

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y’all r soft af

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can’t apply words on a screen w 0 value to someone working

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doesn’t help ur point

eager socket
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^

celest walrus
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if someone tells u ur a fa* and ur mad turn ur monitor off respectfully

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but if ur in an environment where peoples money is on the line

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and you are being paid

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you deserve every drop of whatever you deserve for doing a shitty job

cedar path
celest walrus
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i disagree

cedar path
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No im using an analogy

celest walrus
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an analogy that compares real life to words on a screen

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it’s not a good analogy

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so make one that actually makes sense pepega

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what i just said makes complete non sense but guys it was just an analogy

cedar path
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Yes bc the original thread creator is saying that a bad player/troll deserves to be banned just as much as someone who says that player should be shot and killed

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It doesnt make no sense.

celest walrus
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a troll deserves to be banned

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a person who says stuff that threatens a life

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deserves to be banned

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permanently

cedar path
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Bc if someone is doing a bad job at work, who is your coworker, you dont go to them and berate them yourself. You havr the manager or boss weigh in

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And in this analogy that’s riot

celest walrus
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if someone’s calls you a fa* they do not deserve to be banned

quiet siren
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we dont write the rules pal

celest walrus
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i’m not arguing the rules

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the point of this is to give ur 2 cents

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that’s what everyone is doing

quiet siren
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absolutely

quiet siren
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like personally i dont care but

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ik a lot of ppl who really do

celest walrus
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ok then mute

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block

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turn ur monitor off

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switch games

quiet siren
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yea thats why is aid i dont have a fuckin problem with it xd

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i do think toxicity should b punished tho

celest walrus
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yea i suppose i can’t argue with you on that

quiet siren
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excessively

celest walrus
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there should be leeway

quiet siren
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there kinda is

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i think riot is very reasonable with it tbh

celest walrus
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like threatening someone’s life

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bannable

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perma

quiet siren
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yeah its an instant 2 weeks

celest walrus
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attacking someone with specific words one time

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should not be banned

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idk i’ve just lived my whole life not giving a fuck what people say

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and i think people r going backwards by becoming soft

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u don’t like what he called you?

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break his jaw

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don’t complain on the fucking internet

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that’s all i have to say tho

eager socket
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the words growing so soft nowadays it's sad ^

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coming from playing rust and seeing league players it's literally the most easily offended and soft mentalled people

celest walrus
eager socket
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been on runescape and cod since i was 6 as well lmao

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what anyone says is just what you make out of it.

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racism toxicity all of that stuff literally does nothing to me because it's literally just what you make out of it and it ties heavily into your 'softness and how much you care about the opinion of others'

celest walrus
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w

bright meteor
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I used to say some stuff on the casual basis, but times have changed

celest walrus
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i don’t regularly say any type of cuss word or profanity

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acc i never say slurs

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but i just oppose the softness

bright meteor
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do you mean f** by the slur for homosexuals btw?

celest walrus
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yes

bright meteor
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Yeah that's not cool

celest walrus
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i don’t encourage the behavior nor do i support saying the word

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that wasn’t my point

bright meteor
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The roots of the word comes from dehumanizing minorities, which is a nono

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And 100% deserves to be banned

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Anything that can't be used in a modern casual setting shouldn't be used in game

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sorry mods if self censoring to explain a point is not allowed

celest walrus
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i apologize as well

bright meteor
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I think competitive banter is the extent that should be acceptable

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if anything

celest walrus
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hmm

bright meteor
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but outside of that, it's too far

celest walrus
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if voice chat was a thing in league i would agree w nothing more than competitive banter

bright meteor
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Why voice chat?

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and why should we act indecently in text?

celest walrus
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because voice chat has an emotional connection

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and i mean i still wouldn’t care what someone said to me

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with competition comes toxicity and feelings of strong emotions

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cod is a prime example

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especially with gaming you know it’s an outlet for a lot of people

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sure they shouldn’t express emotions in such a manner

bright meteor
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I think you should act decently whether it is with voice or not

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Like sure you can say to ignore it

celest walrus
bright meteor
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but the issue with allowing toxicity

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is that it creates a toxic environment

celest walrus
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competition creates a toxic environment

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and what is league?

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a hyper competitive game

bright meteor
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I do agree that a competitive environment can create a toxic environment

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But that doesn't mean that you should allow it to be toxic

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unmoderated environments creates a toxic environment

celest walrus
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at least if ur gonna attack toxicity make it effective not a ban so they make 10 accounts because that fosters more toxicity

pseudo coral
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man idk everyone i killed as aatrox started typing like a vegetable and and started cursing my mother

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banning ppl results in angry alt accounts

celest walrus
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yea

pseudo coral
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which are yes

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more toxic

bright meteor
pseudo coral
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they dont care at this point

celest walrus
pseudo coral
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ban motherboard

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but lets be real

celest walrus
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but then they would lose half their player base 😭😭

pseudo coral
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oh shit yea

celest walrus
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cuz 50% of the community is hyper competitive freaks

bright meteor
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You can make yourself a new ip, no?

celest walrus
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if u have a dynamic router

pseudo coral
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i just wanna tell people they are fruity poopo heads without being banned man

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B)

celest walrus
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then just motherboard ban it

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i’m sure ip banning discourages it more effectively either way

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but league is too deep

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it’s already 60% hyper competitive greeks

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freaks*

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if they do that

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the game dies

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instantly

bright meteor
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I'm looking it up since I haven't really heard much about motherboard banning/ip banning

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But from what I'm seeing online

pseudo coral
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valo bans the motherboard

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i think(?)

bright meteor
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That it's apparently easy to ban hardware bans/ip bans

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Also there might be issues of privacy

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that could get ugly

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Although it is minor

celest walrus
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i have been banned in valorant 3 times

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perma

pseudo coral
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ayo?

bright meteor
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Bruh you're part of the problem

celest walrus
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i’m reformed

bright meteor
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That's good

celest walrus
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the bans were over quarantine

solid flicker
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Copium reformed

celest walrus
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when i had too much free time

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and decided to troll

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valorant games

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2 bans were from trolling

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1 ban was from toxicity

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but all were in norms so no tanks were hurt for the cause

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ranks

bright meteor
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Either way, I genuinely think Riot is doing a good job on handling toxicity

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Or at the very least making it very clear that they are not okay with toxicity

celest walrus
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i have never been banned in league

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that’s a lie

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i’m reformed

celest walrus
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go league

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i wonder what they did to get so much toxicity in a game that hyper moderates it

bright meteor
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was completely unmoderated

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which created a niche community of hyper toxic players

celest walrus
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a lot of the player base is new players

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coming from fortnite and valorant streamers

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or maybe i’m over estimating

bright meteor
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Yeah def overestimating

celest walrus
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let’s see if there are statistics

bright meteor
celest walrus
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within the first five links there r no apparent statistic so i’m not gonna try

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so then why not let it turn to cod

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and foster more of a player base from other hyper competitive player bases

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cod valorant fortnite etc

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is overwatch toxic?

bright meteor
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an example would be 4chan, where the community used to be an anime subculture
but because of it's unmoderated nature, more and more degens were to be attracted
the community would then attract other individuals like themselves while becoming the majority of the community

celest walrus
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isn’t 4chan a forum

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?

bright meteor
celest walrus
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then how does it compare

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or am i not getting the point

bright meteor
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My point is that communities will grow from their origin

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and it's hard to attract outside of their first community members

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why niche games stay niche

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and have specific types of communities, because they only attract that type of community

celest walrus
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appeal to your audience marketing 101?

bright meteor
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But I think things like Arcane and the esports scene

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attracts a different subset of community, which is very healthy

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and I think league has done a p good job pushing out the really bad subculture

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tho pushing out all of them will be hard

celest walrus
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noxus arcane when

bright meteor
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haha i wish

celest walrus
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gonna get my dog involved if i don’t get what i want

bright meteor
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lol

bright meteor
celest walrus
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in the gaming scene

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okay so imagine this

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the average cod player

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would probably have 5 perma banned accs and the fbi if they did it in league

bright meteor
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good old toxic communities attracts toxic players

celest walrus
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the community who raised me

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might be why my views are shaped

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in such a manner

bright meteor
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Yeah I had to change some of the stuff I said casually

celest walrus
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i was never one to say offending shit

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and still don’t really

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profanity didn’t get me banned from toxicity

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i would ear rape

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and stuff like that

bright meteor
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you were one of those people lmfao

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i hated the one music person in my csgo lobbies

celest walrus
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i also used soundboards

bright meteor
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i dont want to listen to their cringe songs

celest walrus
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i didn’t play music

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i just would have certain sounds

celest walrus
eager socket
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need the charlie woo on ur soundpad

celest walrus
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i played Charlie brown in my elementary school play

eager socket
celest walrus
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that’s not toxic enough

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i had toxic soundboards

eager socket
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u got the nle earrape lmao?

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shits so loud

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we'd play it in outpost on rust

celest walrus
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earrape

eager socket
celest walrus
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shut the fuck up

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etc

eager socket
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lmao

celest walrus
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just annoying stuff that would blow up ur headset on lowest volume

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i always have a warning tho

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i don’t like causing disabilities

eager socket
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this ones good to just piss people off lmao