#I wanna stop “one” tricking

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It’s actually 2 champs but I usually just play vayne and Kog. unless I am filled jungle or support(then I play shaco)but there are matchups I absolutely hate in top/adc that I want to find a different champ for. Any advice? I usually queue top with adc second but I still get it every couple matches.

The matchups in question:

Top lane - Ranged Tops(ironic right), Skirmishers, divers, and vlad.

Bot Lane - Caitlyn and Ashe

thorn lance
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Interestingly, Ashe is kinda OP rn, and has only 6 champs that have positive WR against her in bot lane Em+, with only one being a large enough gap to really qualify as a counter: Swain. Data: https://u.gg/lol/champions/ashe/matchups

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As for Caitlyn, there are more options here, but once again Swain is among them, so that might give you a nice answer to the both of them from 1 champ. Also mid and even top Swain are probably playable in a last a decent amount of matchups so he might serve you will when not in your main position.

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As for playing ranged top (I'm going to assume usually Vayne if available), dealing with skirmishers and divers is mostly about wave management; never push the wave at level 1, you want the wave to push into you so you can pull a freeze and completely deny them. I'd highly recommend taking Barrier. Their one hope in that kind of matchup is to find a good all-in angle and break your control of the lane, if you take Barrier, they will have a vastly harder time finding an effective opening because they will also have to overcome that shield to win the all in. Couple that with good wave management and it's incredibly hard for them to play the lane.

lucid holly
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malphite is a very simple champ that counters a lot of what youre looking to counter in the toplane, only vlad would remain problematic

west flume
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I'll answer for top since I know the matchup a lot better.

Against other ranged tops, Vayne typically loses, since it's likely going to be versus Quinn, Varus.

Kog actually can win versus these ranged tops by virtue of having better range on his W, and being able to space with your E slow. Draven is also a good 1v1 ranged top option but you need experience on him.

You can also go divers like Irelia, Trynd, Jax, and just look for ways to all in and kill.

Finally there is malphite, but keep in mind it is not an auto win matchup against experienced ranged tops. Your early game is very weak so do your best to absorb all xp and as much farm as possible. Once you get
bramble/steelcaps, that's when you can start getting positive trades. Do not play for fights early since you will lose.

Vlad, you are suppose to just win lane with both your champs into him, it's just an experience thing if you struggle in lane Vs Vlad.

Skirmishers and divers are too broad to generalise, if you list some examples I can explain more in depth on the lane dynamics

west flume
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If they are playing Vayne top, it's expected they have the skill level to just ghost and kite whatever damage the enemy will land, rather than be forced to barrier it

thorn lance
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# thorn lance Ghost doesn't save you from point-and-click gap closers with CC to follow. Which...

It does tho. A point and click gap closer with cc skirmisher, let's say Jax, you 100% want ghost versus him. Let's assume that you don't have your E (since otherwise it's trivial you just E him during the jump).

If you barrier, you will tank his Q, E, auto ,W auto reset, and likely a few more auto during his stun duration. Even after the stun ends, you cannot effectively fight back since you can't create enough distance to space without ghost.

With ghost, you importantly can fight back after the stun ends, or even dodge it directly if you are fast with ghost R Q). Even if you don't, you will be able to space much more effectively afterwards

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It's pretty basic knowledge that Vayne top never takes barrier. In fact, barrier is probably worse than I thought, since I kinda forgot about the option of exhaust which is the most preferred option for matchups

thorn lance
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Fair, I can see Exhaust being better in most cases v. melees that you might otherwise want Barrier against.

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Exhaust is lowkey underrated in general, extremely good summoner spell, and with top getting free tp these days, there's little reason to directly take tp, especially on a ranged top.

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