gaunt depot
How come people agree to the new community pact rules and then proceed to keep going with their old behaviour?
I think a serious policy is in order to get a more healthy community. A play nice policy for example.
What would also help is to add more requirements to playing ranked for example a mastery level of at least 5 on the champion, this would also lower the multi accounting population.
Lmk your take on this!
polar fog
Horrible. You'll get to whatever rank you belong. Inting teammates aren't the reason you're stuck.
amber swift
that's not going to fix the toxicity issue
polar fog
people get to mastery 5 and still end up feeding because the opponents are just that much better. It's effectively pointless.
HOTS had a similar req, that game is also dead.
normals suck and I think some haven't touched normals in years.
vocal hound
Horrible. You'll get to whatever rank you belong. Inting teammates aren't the re...
Am I missing something? When did they mention inters?
full glade
How come people agree to the new community pact rules and then proceed to keep g...
There are plenty of champs I'm competent on that I'm not even M5 on yet why should I be denied picking them because I'm not M5 on them? As for player behavior, riot has two problems: problem 1, how to effectively automatically detect griefing? (People will soft int to avoid penalty, been a thing for a long time). Problem 2: What meaningful rewards do players get for actually behaving well? Oh....right...nothing of significance.
gaunt depot
There are plenty of champs I'm competent on that I'm not even M5 on yet why shou...
Very solid points! I agree
I do think a Play nice policy will do a lot for leagues community but they gotta invest time in to it in order to pull through.
full glade
The problem is both a combination of how to effectively detect and then dissuade problem behaviors, and, at the same time, how to give meaningful rewards for the desired behaviors. I think the former is hard to really do substantially better than they can now, but the latter imo is being undervalued/underutilized.
gaunt depot
Horrible. You'll get to whatever rank you belong. Inting teammates aren't the re...
My friend, please keep it on topic. You’re trynna make it personal by what you wrote. Try reading the new player community pact once again thoroughly. I have not even participated in ranked lately so yeh.
gaunt depot
The problem is both a combination of how to effectively detect and then dissuade...
A good example of what annoys me although i will never say it in game cause you know how people are gonna react.
You get MF buying BT first item and IE 2nd. Is this season 4 or what?
Also, against a warwick, a zac and a sylas. What do i see the ADC build? most definetly NOT a mortal reminder and botrk. No we go build runaans/statikk shiv, pea shooters united.
full glade
A good example of what annoys me although i will never say it in game cause you ...
Welcome 'league of legos' as my ex would say. Most people really don't know how to itemize for shit. Even people that are 'decent' at it are a long ways from having it optimized. Funniest thing is when you find the meta build for a champ is x, but you figure out something that's quite demonstrably better than the meta build. I kept doing that a lot when I playing this game more seriously years ago.
polar fog
Am I missing something? When did they mention inters?
It's implied. Teammates suck so have all these requirements then they'll actually be competent.
Why else would you require mastery 5?
vocal hound
Anti Smurf measures. Obviously.
full glade
Funny thing is: take 2 similar skill players and have then play v. each other same lane for 5 games and you'll get very different results across those 5 games. Game-to-game variance in LoL is extremely high by nature (the game is volatile and prone to snowballing by design)
vocal hound
Smurfs are a huuuuge source of toxicity in this game- even in games they aren't part of.
polar fog
but people need to be level 30 to begin with. That's like 200+ games already?
vocal hound
Very much depends
polar fog
(granted, people do play vs bots. and whatever.) So not like it's actual "games."
full glade
but people need to be level 30 to begin with. That's like 200+ games already?
maybe more like 50?
vocal hound
Not when you're taking in to account bought accounts
The point is that it's another minor way to dissuade smurfs that doesn't usually impact legit players.
polar fog
okay, so people buy accounts. Now they buy accounts with mastery 5.
full glade
Riot is taking a more active role in combating botted accounts (I've noticed a lot less of them in AI games myself)
vocal hound
okay, so people buy accounts. Now they buy accounts with mastery 5.
Way more effort, price would jump much higher.
Now in addition to leveling to 30, account sellers have to tailor accounts to have certain champs at mastery 5?
They'd be selling based off of role atp and that's a big difference.
full glade
Now in addition to leveling to 30, account sellers have to tailor accounts to ha...
and this can only be earned in pvp....
vocal hound
and this can only be earned in pvp....
This is a major point I didn't think of, yeah.
full glade
That's an interesting angle I hadn't considered
vocal hound
It makes account baking waaaay harder
People playing 3-5 games in norms on a freshie to get really good mmr off the rip in ranked
You're stuck playing far more, which is way more volatile- makes people who buy accounts just for that restart disincentivized to do so
Idk, it's not some world-saving solution, but it has its merits beyond what you'd initially think
full glade
I personally have wanted to see surrender voting go away entirely
vocal hound
I'm part of that crowd that plays champs I don't have m5 on, on my main
polar fog
I haven't touched normals in years. Just do everything in ranked.
full glade
imo it feeds the same kind of player culture that goes hand in hand with toxicity. I queue up for LoL, I expect to play, win or lose, until someone destroys the other nexus
polar fog
like if you lose it's whatever, your next match is theoretically easier to compensate.
vocal hound
I personally have wanted to see surrender voting go away entirely
I'm down for changing it to 5 votes required to be yes
But only outside of like d2 +
Most games across the majority of the playerbase are much much closer if people actually play them out
full glade
Eh if all of the players want to FF, you can just derp around and let enemy shove in and win (open mid)
vocal hound
Most games across the majority of the playerbase are much much closer if people ...
Because most players across the majority of elo brackets aren't good at ending games out- offering tons of comeback opportunities as a result
full glade
like that still leads to a very swift win (and it shouldn't be too hard for the system to detect that everyone on the losing team chose to not put up a fight)
vocal hound
Highelo doesn't really suffer from that.
vocal hound
like that still leads to a *very* swift win (and it shouldn't be too hard for th...
I suppose, but I think reducing ffs in low is healthier for everyone
While not touching them in high
full glade
yea, I've had many a game I was confident we could've won FF'd and I lowkey hate that
d2+ is like top 3% of playerbase?
vocal hound
And I don't mean to give off a toxic vibe here, just going off of my anecdotal experience with people being able to utilize leads d2+
full glade
I don't think it's a massive pain really, especially given how fast an uncontested team of 5 ends
vocal hound
Eh, you'll always have people who are too committed to a win that just isn't gonna happen in that elo bracket
full glade
iirc norms in DotA2 don't have surrenders and it's not a problem for that game
full glade
Eh, you'll always have people who are too committed to a win that just isn't gon...
in this case, play it out
polar fog
Because most players across the majority of elo brackets aren't good at ending g...
People aren't good at spotting comeback opportunities either.
vocal hound
DotA 2 also has behavioural queues, in addition to account wide punishments.
Like, steam account wide.
full glade
if you lose, that was the expected outcome, good chance to practice playing at a deficit if nothing else.
full glade
Also, why I dislike how snowbally LoL is
polar fog
The worst part of League is being unable to leave games that I don't think are worth playing.
vocal hound
The worst part of League is being unable to leave games that I don't think are w...
The worst part about league is that those games aren't fun.
polar fog
Time spent having fun is better than slightly higher mmr or more lp.
vocal hound
When you lose in league it's rarely fun.
polar fog
Yea, they're not fun. The fun parts are close games.
full glade
Time spent having fun is better than slightly higher mmr or more lp.
IMO, if you're not able to have fun in a probably lost game, then maybe pvp isn't for you?
vocal hound
Nah, I get it
It's because league isn't like most games.
You straight up cannot play while losing in a large amount of situations
polar fog
gg go next. Like Starcraft, you just leave if it's a guaranteed loss.
vocal hound
Or, if you can, it's not clear how to most players
full glade
You straight up cannot play while losing in a large amount of situations
yea, it wasn't like this in the early seasons
vocal hound
yea, it wasn't like this in the early seasons
Nod nod
But like
Take CoD for example
full glade
imo, riot has pushed the game away from meaningful choice kind of by accident
vocal hound
It's ultra toxic
But people still enjoy playing while losing, even if they hate losing itself
Because you can still play.
You are not disadvantaged by being behind in the game
polar fog
if you believe you can win,or there's a benefit to staying then sure. Like TFT you can fight for 5th/etc. League? it's a lot less....
full glade
Not only that, game is toxic because it's player behavior is like totally unregulated
vocal hound
Right, but the toxicity is "fine".
polar fog
the worst parts are failed remakes or you get people who vote No and you play the entire game 4v5
vocal hound
Toxicity doesn't usually lead to lack of fun in CoD and shooters like it.
full glade
Lowkey, I really liked swiftplay prior to this season's changes to it, though I would've liked it to not have the accelerated pace, just the anti-snowball mechanics of it
vocal hound
If you mute, you're still playing a game that's pretty much "even" at all points- you aren't punished for being behind in a match.
Being punished for being behind in a match is not fun
full glade
was a way more fun LoL experience than standard when it was fairly new.
polar fog
New minion spawn timers I think are largely a benefit. Lowers the odds of the feeling of non-games (invades going wrong or right.)
full glade
Yea, shortened invade time is probably good for the game
polar fog
knowing that you've won from min 3 is slightly better than knowing you've lost, but not by much.
full glade
level 1 fights are big RNG for what the early game will be like (and LoL being a snowball game, that can be game deciding at even a medium level of play)
I think a lot of LoL's toxicity is unironically a byproduct of too much snowball and not enough meaningful choice when behind
polar fog
if you have meaningful choice when behind, why does a lead even matter?
full glade
if you have meaningful choice when behind, why does a lead even matter?
initiative
having an early lead should mean you get to dictate the terms of the game to your opponent, not that they don't get to play an interactive game
rn, you get a non-trivial early lead in skilled play, and the enemy can't win a grouped fight, and can't trade evenly or better by being where your team isn't
there is no pathway to 'getting back into the game'
The team with a lead should have to do something with that lead or have it bleed away over time.
(i.e. they should have to take real risks to try and leverage it)
polar fog
it's already like that though (maybe less so with this season's changes.) There's passive gold to account for that.
full glade
I like the new permanent tower plates because they are helping teams that are behind have something of value to play for where the enemy isn't
but I fear that 1 positive move is more than offset by the other snowball favoring changes.
polar fog
if you are able to CS, the enemy's lead technically doesn't truly matter.
full glade
if you are able to CS, the enemy's lead technically doesn't truly matter.
only if you can continue to do so until late game, most enemies won't just let the game stall out, they want to win.
polar fog
although if you can't cs, then the gap just keeps growing.
I guess that's a top lane issue. (largely.)
full glade
Not true really, if I am 4/0 at 6 mins, I can farm faster than the 0/4 I stomped and broke his tower, and can do more on the map while matching farm, or poach enemy jungle etc. and get a resource advantage
lowkey Yasuo 0/10 meme is a byproduct of him being a good scaling champ and a monster powerfarmer
one of the only champs good enough at farming to CS his way back into a game
polar fog
I know you can do more on the map, but it feels better at least. "It's someone else's problem now."
full glade
I know you can do more on the map, but it feels better at least. "It's someone ...
This is why I dislike outer towers being overly hard to take, they just extend a grossly unfair and uninteresting interaction
better to let the stomping lane take tower and start rotating the map
because this does 2 things: #1, they can impact other lanes, including those that might be going poorly, #2, the person who got gapped can get some relative peace farming the long lane when it's safe to be there.
early seasons of LoL has this, then we got original version of tower plates (to ostensibly combat roaming meta)
roaming meta imo wasn't bad for the game.
gaunt depot
In terms of your idea on how to play the game in a way you think is best i’d say muting everyone is a step one. And look on the map. Whenever i queue up with a friend the guy tells me “the whole team is spam pinging you lol” And i’m not even noticing it since i’ve already pre-muted them all at second one. (With a 70+% winrate on shaco jungle, based on 300+ games.)
Perhaps if we start looking at roles for what they are and keep that in mind during the game we will all get along better.
For example, when there is no vision set up around an objective and we don’t know where the enemy is or if they’re cheesing in a bush i personally think the following:
Why did our support or mid/adc not at least put a ward at the pit. Ofcourse a jungler is also responsible for vision but most of the times you tend to leave one for your top laner (i do at least.)
Another one is, after objective is taken a lot of coin flip fights get started by the team that just got the objective and in most cases does not end in their favour. I have found that after the objective is taken it is best to boot out asap and keep up the tempo, which i still always do even though the other 4 team members are going bananas after the objective was taken already by us.
polar fog
if you're at a 70% win rate, that means you're playing so far below your skill level.
vocal hound
70% wr over 300 games is nuts
gaunt depot
What i had hoped to see with the new community pact is that the playerbase would at least shift a little but i think most haven’t even read it unfortunately and now it’s just same old same old.
vocal hound
i most definitely didn't read it
amber swift
i didn't read it at all
jolly sphinx
What community pact
unique venture
What community pact
Good first rule of play league
Community pact never exist
Just sign tos of play game
Tho add 4th community note play another game beside league
🙂 I believe riot gave up toxicity lmao
azure bobcat
i vote we add voice comms before we can look at toxicity
full glade
i vote we add voice comms before we can look at toxicity
Knowing the LoL community....this would get abused so hard.
cosmic seal
Voices Comms are never toxic. Just look at Dota and CS. Еvерупое іѕ ѕо fріепԁӏу іп vоісе соммѕ 
azure bobcat
i face much less toxicity and frusutration in cs and valo
vocal hound
i definitely do not